[Grovenet] "over the top"

Ed Davie edavie at verizon.net
Tue Jun 28 16:26:51 PDT 2005


Thank you Ron.  I appreciate this.  As you know, the truth isn't always known.
Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron D'Eau Claire 
  To: 'Forest Grove local interests list' 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: RE: [Grovenet] "over the top"


  If I recall correctly, there were some Quaker medics who won the medal of
  honor for saving lives on the battlefields of either Korea or Vietnam. Of
  course, they were unarmed, protected only by the red cross on their arms and
  helmets. 
   
  Other G.I.s used to call those red crosses "bulls eyes" for enemy fire. 
   
  Perhaps being willing to go onto the field of battle to save lives rather
  than take them demands a form of heroism not normally seen in war. 
   
  Not all C.O.s, faced those dangers of course. Nor did  all armed soldiers.
  Indeed, it's amazing how many regular soldiers don't ever see battle. Well,
  in the past anyway. That's the whole idea behind the use of contractors that
  we're seeing in Iraq. They are supposed to free up combat troops for
  battlefield duty. 
   
  Still many regular soldiers never see a firefight, and not all C.O.s remain
  safely behind the lines. 
   
  Ron D'Eau Claire 
   
   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Ed Davie [mailto:edavie at verizon.net] 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:41 PM
  To: ron at cobi.biz; Forest Grove local interests list
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] "over the top"


  True.  That's where we were. Quakers! It wasn't me, I was already too old
  but my oldest son chose that route.
  Ed

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron D'Eau Claire <mailto:ron at cobi.biz>  
  To: 'Forest Grove local interests list' <mailto:grovenet at rdrop.com>  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 1:19 PM
  Subject: RE: [Grovenet] "over the top"

  Ed wrote:

  Not necessarily ... there is such a thing as conscientious objection! Some
  of us went through that "very serious" process during the Vietnam fiasco!
       same with my neighbors and their kids.

       In fact, how is the draft fair?  It's left up to luck
       as to who is conscripted and who isn't!

  ----------------------

  That's a good point when we don't draft all eligible men and women. I tend
  to forget that there was a time when we didn't draft everyone. When I was of
  ripe draft age, someone getting out of the draft was rare! Even a marriage
  deferment took at least one or two children to get of the "A" list! One
  could get a college deferment with good grades, but was certain to be
  receive a draft notice with the diploma at graduation. 

  What would you use to replace the lottery system? 

  Yes, conscientious objectors were allowed and given alternative service.
  Again, in the 50's it required showing long-term association with a
  recognized religious group such as the Society of Friends or other pacifist
  group.  

  Ron D'Eau Claire




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