[Grovenet] An interesting view of a legacy . . .
Walt Wentz
waltw at teleport.com
Sun Feb 10 15:15:07 PST 2008
So could I!
Walt
>I could agree with that!
>Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steven
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] An interesting view of a
>legacy . . .
>
>
> And this is all the republicans problem?
> Free trade, illegal immigration are two big
>issues for me and both sides of
> the isle are party to the problems. Wages are
>depressed due to an influx of
> slave labor. We have falsely reported inflation
>as well.
> It is time to ask not what your country can do
>for you. We each need to
> stand up for ourselves. Not expect a handout
>from uncle.
> The super rich include democrats.
> We can agree on the issues that corporate law
>has given us.
> I would wish that we could just dump the entire
>bush and clinton families
> from our country and get back to where we don't
>define ourselves by our
> divide but by our agreements.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com
>[mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
> Behalf Of Walt Wentz
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:28 AM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] An interesting view of a
>legacy . . .
>
>
> Steve:
> For "substantive content," one has only to look
>at the current news.
> Ordinary working Americans are losing jobs,
>savings and hope; the
> phrase "living income" has apparently become an
>obscenity, never to
> be spoken in the circles of power; The
>super-rich, and those
> "artificial persons" known as corporations, have
>come to monopolize
> the vast majority of the nation's wealth, and
>that percentage is
> increasing every day, with the active connivance
>and assistance of
> the present administration (read: "permanent tax
>cuts;") while the
> sons and daughters of our working poor (which
>will soon mean most of
> us, given current trends), having no other hope
>of ever improving
> their lot through higher education, are
>enlisting in an apparently
> endless war, hoping that they will emerge from
>service alive and with
> brains undamaged for the sake of the mere
>pittance for "educational
> assistance" which has replaced the old G.I. Bill
>that made our
> country great.
> Substantive content? Our supposedly
>"conservative" government, far
> from maintaining its cherished old "existing
>views, conditions or
> institutions" regarding small government, fiscal
>responsibility and
> noninterference, has been borrowing and spending
>like a drunken
> sailor, building up a national debt which will
>crush our descendants
> for generations to come. The future of our
>economy is now at the
> mercy of foreign governments which have to real
>reason to wish us
> well... China, Saudi Arabia, other nations who
>hold trillions in US
> dollars in their national treasuries, and who
>could collapse the
> American economy like a house of cards merely
>by releasing a flood
> of those dollars on the international market.
> Substantive content? Osama bin Laden is still
>alive, free and
> inspiring another generation of jihadists, six
>years after our
> present administration swore vengeance and swift
>victory;
> Afghanistan, which was supposed to become a free
>and law-abiding
> nation,has instead produced all-time record
>crops of opium last year,
> resulting an actual over-supply of heroin for
>the world's crime
> syndicates and drug addicts, while the Taliban
>are back, striking
> down agents of change and their own people
>apparently at will, while
> their own casualties are replaced by more
>jihadists flowing through
> the lawless tribal areas of our supposedly brave
>and loyal ally,
> Pakistan. Despite all the encouraging propaganda
>from our
> administration, one has only to read the news
>from the BBC and other
> foreign services to realize Afghanistan is
>rapidly becoming a "failed
> state," a chaotic collection of drug fiefdoms
>and mutually hostile
> tribes, sects and clans, ruled by brutal
>warlords and Taliban
> zealots-- all this because our present
>administration decided to
> divide our forces for a fraudulent and utterly
>irrational invasion of
> Iraq, a nation that had been so badly defeated
>and disrupted it could
> not defend its own borders against its own
>neighbors, let alone the
> US Army.
> More than five years after "Mission
>Accomplished," we are still
> there... pushing a determined and resilient
>"insurgency" from one
> part of the country to another but never
>actually defeating it, while
> the weak puppet government we installed engages
>in endless mutual
> backstabbing and thievery, and billions of
>American reconstruction
> dollars continue to flow into a bottomless black
>hole of corruption,
> and both Iraqis and Americans continue to die--
>despite the
> triumphant announcements when "fewer" die in a
>given month than in
> another.
> Substantive content? (Expletive deleted!) The
>world is echoing with
> "substantive content," while our supposedly
>"conservative"
> administration continues to mouth political
>slogans, tries to
> distract us with "God, guns and gays" and
>attempts to scapegoat those
> problems they cannot ignore or deny onto illegal
>immigrants-- that
> is, the economic refugees fleeing the
>devastation wrought by our own
> "free-trade" agreements with their home
>countries.
> Sorry if I seem angry and overheated. I am
>ordinarily of an
> idealistic and optimistic nature, but the
>"substantive content" of
> our present situation would be enough to
>infuriate a statue.
> Walt
>
>
>
> >Walt,
> >
> >
> >And , likewise, liberal propogandization has
>changed the definition of
> >conservative from " tending or disposed to
>maintain existing views,
> >conditions, or institutions, marked by
>moderation or caution" to
> > " reactionaries, bigots, chickenhawks and
>the assorted other frauds
> and
> >fakers. "
> >
> >I wish both sides would just grow up and limit
>discussions to substantive
> >content.
> >
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Walt Wentz" <waltw at teleport.com>
> >To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
><grovenet at rdrop.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:51 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Grovenet] An interesting view of
>a legacy . . .
> >
> >
> >> >Walt,
> >>>
> >>>So, you are saying that " reactionaries,
>bigots, chickenhawks and the
> >>>assorted other frauds and fakers " are
>exclusively conservative?
> >>
> >> Nope. Only that suchlike have hijacked the
>"conservative" label.
> >> Meanwhile, through 30 years of sustained
>propagandizing, they have
> >> managed to change the label of "liberal"
>from its dictionary
> >> definition of "generous, tolerant, free," to
>"crazy criminal-coddling
> >> commie-lovin' tax-and-spend treasonous
>sinners."
> >>
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