[Grovenet] Berkley Liberals

[Katie Allnutt]

I don't have a problem with the idealists.

I had to chuckle when you said liberals have outgrown/transcended etc  
their idealism because my now conservative relative told me that  
while she had 'seen the light' she was terribly confused about why I,  
who used to be seen as the conservative one, had gone over as she  
said 'to the dark side'.*
I chuckled when she said it too because she has been so  
disenfranchised by the righties she now identifies with. It is  
classic Stockholm syndrome, where you defend your kidnappers even  
though they are the ones who wronged you.  That is what is driving  
'liberals' who have 'faced reality'.


Back in the good ol' days when my family saw me as the conservative  
one, she would wear the 'question authority' buttons and I would be  
appalled. Why would you question those with more experience?  She now  
is appalled by the 'question authority' buttons and I wear them. Why?  
Because the ones who don't want you to question their authority over  
you are trying to stab you in the back while you aren't looking. I  
too have outgrown, transcended, seen reality, etc my former label as  
well.

If you think liberals have had an about face, just wait until you see  
the about face that is taking place among the conservatives.  It  
won't be over for a long time.  I bet too that a lot of those Berkley  
liberals will convert back for the duration.

Recovering some of that original idealism may just save us all.

Katie
*This was said to me way before Cheney was VP so it has to be taken  
in the context of 10 years ago.  I know that now it is strongly  
identified with Cheney but please take it as it was said back then.



On Mar 7, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Steve Jerrett wrote:

> Katie,
>
> I think many extreme liberals have -outgrown, transcended, faced  
> reality,
> been co-opted, etc. you choose the appropriate term-their idealism.
>
> My comment was aimed at a Berkeley Liberal on our forum that has not
> outgrown, transcended, faced reality, been co-opted etc.(you choose  
> the
> appropriate term.)
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Katie Allnutt" <allnutt at verizon.net>
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:20 PM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Berkley Liberals
>
>
>> Steve,
>>    One of my relatives has a degree from Berkley and was one of
>> those 'Berkley liberals'. Now she is one of the most conservative
>> people that I know.  Evidently this has happened to many of her
>> contemporaries as well. For those who know them now, the label has
>> lost its cache and now when you call someone that name its like
>> calling them a Bushie.
>>
>>    Maybe the new crops from Berkley are still liberal but for those
>> from the generation that created the label it doesn't apply any
>> more.   Its kind of sad.
>>
>> Katie
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:04 PM, Steve Jerrett wrote:
>>
>>> You know the liberal mantra-"show tolerance and celebrate
>>> diversity," unless
>>> you are a Berkeley Liberal, then anything goes.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>> To: <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Vt. towns approve Bush-Cheney 'indictment'
>>>
>>>
>>>> It was a much funnier insult in the 7th grade. But your point is
>>>> taken
>>>> that
>>>> noone else is allowed to post on here unless of course they agree
>>>> with
>>>> you.
>>>> After being on here for the last several years, and seeing how the
>>>> responses
>>>> have come and gone I'm not surprised by yours at all.
>>>>
>>>> Don't  you know to never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed
>>>> opponent?
>>>>
>>>> --Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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