[Grovenet] been around before, but what can ya rxpect from an OleHoss?

[Geri]

Jeff: "If she cared half as much about the mess
in her own yard as she does about the mess in
others, she *might* have room to lobby some
complaints."

Amen to that.

She sounds like one of the truly intentionally
ignorant ... someone who always needs things
turned into her own ax to grind!  That is (since
it's anonymous), if it ever was even really written
by "one 'Angry Woman.'"

Geri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Howden" <jeff at jeffhowden.com>
To: "'Forest Grove local interests list'" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] been around before,but what can ya rxpect from an OleHoss?


> From: Alan Domenghini
> 
> Letter from one "Angry Woman"
> 
> I don't know who wrote it but She should have signed it.

She probably couldn't find the courage to own it so chose the way of the
anonymous coward.

> Some powerful words.

Powerful?  Aggressive, yes.  I wouldn't consider them powerful.  They
certainly don't move me towards her position.  If anything, they move me
away from her position.  I find them reprehensible.  Lacking a fundamental
value for human life and disturbingly devoid of rationality.  Her reality is
of a world where coins have one side, all streets go in one direction, and
what's good for the goose is *not* good for the gander.

> This woman should run for president [...] 

She already is.  Her name is John McCain.  For the sake of all things
reasonable, I hope we don't put someone with this antiquated mentality back
into the White House.

> It's too bad that more Americans don't express
> themselves as she does.

I hope more Americans express themselves with as much (or more) passion, but
with none (or hopefully less) of the poison.

> "Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we?

We are not and have not been.  It was an excuse to make a play for oil.
Even the most staunch of war supporters are admitting that now.  To think
otherwise is to be stuck permanently in 2002 and clueless to what has been
brought to light since then (though many saw the writing on the wall even
before we illegally invaded Iraq under completely false, fabricated, and
felonious claims).

> Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who
> brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?

It was members of Jihadist organization Al-Qaeda.  What religion they claim
to connect with is irrelevant.  They simply use the teachings of the
religion they claim to follow to justify their actions (whether it's based
on flawed, fanatical interpretations of that religion or not).  It's really
no different than what extremist (or, regrettably not so extremist in some
cases) members of Christianity or Catholicism have been doing all along as
well.  That's the key though.  The people responsible for 9/11 were
extremists or fanatics and not at all like what a "typical" Islamic believer
is like.

This woman would do well to educate herself on what Islam really is.  Of
note is that it's one of the largest religious in the world boasting nearly
2 billion followers, second only to Christianity.  Perhaps she knows this
and feels threatened by that.  If so, is Hindu at third with nearly 1
billion followers on the verbal chopping block next?  Maybe she'll just wait
until she's spoonfed something by the media linking it to something
anti-American first.  Then, like a starving tiger in wait, she'll pounce and
tear into something else she doesn't really understand or know anything
about.

Some would content that it was started by us when we helped bin Laden in his
fight against the Russians with training, weapons, and funding.

> And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the
> Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American
> soldier kicked it or got it wet?...
> 
> Well, I don't. I don't care at all.

Then, by that same token she should not care if the same were to be done to
her bible.

> I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns
> himself in and repents for incinerating all
> those innocent people on 9/11.

The first rational words so far.  That's not enough though.  There are
plenty here, in our very country, that should own up to their crimes against
humanity under the guise of protecting our country or defending our
freedoms.

> I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the
> Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the
> mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia

I do not understand the leap of logic used to arrive at the conclusion that
a country's religious freedoms (or lack thereof in the case of Saudi Arabia)
immediately equates them to fanatics.  Yes, they do things differently
there.  Yes, they do not believe the same things we do.  Yes, some of the
things they require of their citizens seem outlandish and downright wrong
from our perspective.  Does that make them Islamic fanatics?  Just because
we believe differently means they're absolutely wrong and must change to
suit us?  Hasn't this sort of butting our noses into others' business not
worked so well for us in the past?

If she cared half as much about the mess in her own yard as she does about
the mess in others, she *might* have room to lobby some complaints.

> I'll care when these thugs tell the world they
> are sorry for chopping off Nick Berg's head while
> Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.

An "I'm sorry" is not sufficient for this act.  They should each face
execution; should we ever find them.  The reality of that is unlikely.

> I'll care when the American media stops
> pretending that their First Amendment liberties
> are somehow derived from international law
> instead of the United States Constitution's Bill
> of Rights.

Huh?

> In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave
> marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain
> information, know this: I don't care.

Is she going to give the same leeway to a member of an "enemy" when they
"rough up" an American to obtain information?

> When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi
> prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts
> to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I
> don't care.

Nevermind that college-hazings are frowned upon because of the damage
(physical, mental, emotional, or worse) they can cause.  What if she had a
child in college that was forced to endure this sort of humiliation and have
photos of it all over the news and Internet?  Would she still be so quick to
dismiss it?

> "If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God,
> then we will be a nation gone under." Also by..
> Ronald Reagan

Interesting!  Taken in a general sense, this isn't really any different than
the beliefs put into practice through Saudi Arabian law.  The only major
difference is that they mandate a single, specific religion while this quote
simply implies Christianity or some "acceptable" derivative.  Maybe it's
just me, but I've never really bought into the bulk of Reagan's
classic-Republican "slippery slope" ideologies that are often quoted.

> "A simple way to take measure of a country is to
> look at how many want in.. And how many want out."

Many that are motivated to get in do so not out of belief that the country
is so great, but rather out of some sort of self-serving goal to have more,
do more, etc.  The fact that these self-serving motivations are more easily
sought in a particular country has nothing to do with that country's
"greatness".

In closing, this woman is a mental midget.  She practices the same
proof-texting to justify her beliefs as the militant, fanatical members of
Al-Qaeda do to justify theirs.  She cherry-picks religious, political, and
media bits that suit her position and uses them to justify her opinion,
whether they would actually support it or not if taken in context.  She uses
the apathetic words "I don't care" to make a point.  However, what she's
really saying is this is why I hate.  She's just too much of a coward to put
away the mask of apathy and call it like it is.  If she was truly apathetic,
she wouldn't have the energy or passion to write any of this drivel.


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