[Grovenet] Sad and disgraceful episode

[Walt Wentz]

>
>I'm confused. What did they do that was illegal?
>Ed

Apparently they walked into the police line surrounding the debate 
entrance-- after first giving a weeks' advance notice that they would 
do so, unless two of their members would be permitted to attend the 
event. They had been assured by authorities that the police would 
respond to nonviolent civil disobedience with "restraint."  By 
"restraint," perhaps they meant they would not actually fire on the 
marchers, or club everyone within reach bloody and unconscious.

David, you are right, civil disobedience does carry personal costs, 
which any protestor with sincere convictions should be willing to 
pay. Conversely, civil government derives its authority from the 
consent of the governed. When it descends to brute force to enforce 
its will upon nonviolent citizens, it becomes mere tyranny.
Walt

>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: David Morelli
>   To: Forest Grove local interests list
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:33 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Sad and disgraceful
>episode
>
>
>   Civil disobedience has a personal cost, and
>these protesters knew
>   that and took the challenge.  They paid their
>share of the cost of
>   their illegal actions.  That is to be expected.
>
>   The actions of the police, as described, was
>also illegal.  As a
>   civilized nation we can allow the protester to
>accept and pay for
>   their actions.  We can also require the public
>employees of Nassau
>   County to accept and pay for their actions.
>
>   No one should be above the law, and no one
>should be beneath the law.
>
>   David
>
>   On Oct 21, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Walt Wentz wrote:
>
>   > As a veteran, I was infuriated to read this.
>Haven't we learned
>   > anything since the 1960s?
>   > Walt
>   >
>   >>
>   >> From Matthis Chiroux, IVAW
>   >>  Wednesday, Oct. 15th, 2008, members of Iraq
>Veterans Against the
>   >> War and
>   >>  supporters gathered near the Hempstead,
>N.Y., train station to
>   >> march on the
>   >>  final presidential debate at Hofstra
University.

>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: David Morelli
>   To: Forest Grove local interests list
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:33 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Sad and disgraceful
>episode
>
>
>   Civil disobedience has a personal cost, and
>these protesters knew
>   that and took the challenge.  They paid their
>share of the cost of
>   their illegal actions.  That is to be expected.
>
>   The actions of the police, as described, was
>also illegal.  As a
>   civilized nation we can allow the protester to
>accept and pay for
>   their actions.  We can also require the public
>employees of Nassau
>   County to accept and pay for their actions.
>
>   No one should be above the law, and no one
>should be beneath the law.
>
>   David
>
>   On Oct 21, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Walt Wentz wrote:
>
>   > As a veteran, I was infuriated to read this.
>Haven't we learned
>   > anything since the 1960s?
>   > Walt
>   >
>   >>
>   >> From Matthis Chiroux, IVAW
>   >>  Wednesday, Oct. 15th, 2008, members of Iraq
>Veterans Against the
>   >> War and
>   >>  supporters gathered near the Hempstead,
>N.Y., train station to
>   >> march on the
>   >>  final presidential debate at Hofstra
>University.
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