[Grovenet] Wasilla Church

[Geri]

'S okay, Katie.  ;-)  Personal, but not an attack!

BTW, Steven & Mike don't even know each other personally ...


Geri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katie Allnutt" <allnutt at verizon.net>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Wasilla Church


> If you actually read the post you will find reference to the website  
> he got this from. As a point of fact I don't visit Kos and I've seen  
> this at least 3 other places so I'm not sure why you assume he got it  
> there.
> 
> 
> 
> Katie
> PS We know Mike has enough of a life to have BBQ's and bachelor  
> recipes, ha ha ha  (Sorry Mike - and Geri - I couldn't resist.)
> 
> On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Steven wrote:
> 
>> There are other web sites besides Kos. You really need to get a life.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
>>> bounces at rdrop.com]On
>>> Behalf Of Steele, Mike
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:53 PM
>>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>>> Subject: [Grovenet] Wasilla Church
>>>
>>>
>>> News from beyond...Sarah Palin's pastor's views on recent political
>>> issues...here's an item from the Huffington Post on what Pastor Ed
>>> Kalnins has had to say from the pulpit of the Wasilla church where  
>>> Sarah
>>> Palin was baptized at the age of 12:
>>>
>>>
>>> If the church had a political alignment, it would almost surely be
>>> conservative. In his sermons, Kalnins did not hide his affections for
>>> certain national politicians.
>>>
>>> During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's  
>>> performance
>>> during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle
>>> message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell
>>> you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I
>>> question your salvation. I'm sorry." Kalnins added: "If every  
>>> Christian
>>> will vote righteously, it would be a landslide every time."
>>>
>>> Months after hinting at possible damnation for Kerry supporters,  
>>> Kalnins
>>> bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the  
>>> federal
>>> government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms  
>>> towards
>>> the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the
>>> pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you
>>> know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you."
>>>
>>> Much of his support for the current administration has come in the  
>>> realm
>>> of foreign affairs. Kalnins has preached that the 9/11 attacks and  
>>> the
>>> invasion of Iraq were part of a "world war" over the Christian faith,
>>> one in which Jesus Christ had called upon believers to be willing to
>>> sacrifice their lives:
>>>
>>>     "What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible  
>>> enemy.
>>> There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq,
>>> basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world
>>> called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks.  
>>> We are
>>> in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We  
>>> need
>>> to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the  
>>> instinct
>>> that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ...  
>>> Jesus
>>> called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called  
>>> us to
>>> die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are  
>>> willing to
>>> give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from  
>>> that
>>> position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a
>>> minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and
>>> he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he  
>>> had a
>>> part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war."
>>>
>>> As for his former congregant and current vice presidential candidate,
>>> Kalnins has asserted that Palin's election as governor was the  
>>> result of
>>> a "prophetic call" by another pastor at the church who prayed for her
>>> victory. "[He made] a prophetic declaration and then unfolds the  
>>> kingdom
>>> of God, you know."
>>>
>>> ********************************************************************* 
>>> ***
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Hmmmmm...what to say about this....?  In a way, it's all very  
>>> comforting
>>> to know...we are in really good hands.
>>>
>>> Now I know what to do with that bumper sticker that asks, "Who would
>>> Jesus bomb today?"
>>>
>>> --Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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