[Grovenet] Who got to choose: That's one big flag

Sat Apr 25 12:32:27 PDT 2009

I also believe that we, as citizens of Forest Grove, should have had the right to decide on this.  I am a veteran of the war in Grenada ( although most of you have no idea what that was, sad because I lost several of my friends that horrible day ) and I do like the flag on this site, I remember seeing it on the beach and remember how glad I was to see it while we were pinned down with enemy fire,  but I do have some negative thoughts about how big it is and this SHOULD have NOT have been a administrative decision.  I am not saying that it would have turned out any different and I myself would most likely have said yes to it but I would have said yes to it as a different size I think.
Glenn

> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:28:37 -0700
> From: isis23ra at yahoo.com
> To: grovenet at rdrop.com
> Subject: [Grovenet] Who got to choose: That's one big flag
> 
> 
> The most disturbing thing to me is that the citizens of Forest Grove were not allowed to be part of the process for deciding to fly this huge flag.
> 
> The mayor had talks with the donor and that was it?  Not very democratic.....
> 
> Some people like to wear "big hair" - I guess Forest Grove is insecure in it's patriotism and has to wear a big flag.....
> 
> Alana
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Steve Jerrett <stevedj at teleport.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Steve Jerrett <stevedj at teleport.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] That's one big flag
> > To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> > Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > Holly,
> > 
> > 
> > When did the U.S. flag become a pro-war, anti choice,
> > anti-gay, anti women
> > etc. symbol?  Why do you see this flag as an icon of
> > everything you see as
> > negative about our country ?
> > 
> > Why don't you see it as representative of
> > everyone-gays, straights,
> > homeless, wealthy, etc., etc.. Why doesn't it illicit a
> > feeling of pride in
> > the fact that we have the freedoms of opinion, religion,
> > sexual orientation,
> > etc. that make us such a unique civilization. Why do you
> > feel that it
> > doesn't also represent YOUR Forest Grove? Don't you
> > feel the least bit
> > apprehensive in being so audaciosly prejudicial in your
> > assumptions about
> > the "anonymous family" regardless of  your
> > rhetorically postured approach?
> > Why do you feel the need to chastise and belittle those
> > that differ in
> > opinion as "tasteless or unprogressive?"
> > 
> > I find your level of intolerance  disturbingly ironic.
> > 
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Holly T." <feralcattamer at yahoo.com>
> > To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
> > <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] That's one big flag
> > 
> > 
> > I agree, Walt. I will not mince words. The thing is
> > hideously grotesque
> > IMHO. Betsy Ross must be turning over in her grave.
> > 
> > As Tom Robbins said in his novel, Fierce Invalids Home from
> > Hot Climates,
> > "The more advertising I see, the less I want to
> > buy."
> > 
> > I feel frightfully embarrassed to be a Forest Grove
> > resident because of this
> > monstrous display of "patriotism". I fear that
> > anyone who drives through
> > Forest Grove, upon being blindsighted by this abhorant
> > flag, will think that
> > our community is overrun by redneck Republicans who are
> > pro-war,
> > anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-women, and against spending tax
> > dollars to help
> > people and the environment. That's not MY Forest Grove
> > and I resent my city
> > being portrayed in this tasteless, conservative,
> > unprogressive manner.
> > 
> > The next time I pass the bus stop between Safeway and
> > Goodwill and see all
> > those homeless people standing around less than a block
> > away from this
> > monstrous flag, I will not be able to keep from wondering,
> > "How many of them
> > could be fed for a very, very long time for what that
> > monstrosity cost?"
> > 
> > For me, the mark of a true patriot is how much time and
> > energy you spend
> > helping your fellow citizens. It's all about how much
> > good you do for your
> > community. Not how big your flag is, how many wars
> > you've illegally and
> > immorally and imperialistically waged against the wrong
> > enemy, and how many
> > forests you've cut down in the name of capitalism. I
> > thought we got past all
> > that ridiculous flag waving and conservative leanings when
> > Dubya was finally
> > booted out at long last and Obama was sworn in. I thought
> > there was a
> > rebirth in this country. A rebirth whereby people would do
> > their best to
> > rebuild our nation, to undo the horrific damage done by the
> > Bush
> > Administration, and to help each other.
> > 
> > I wonder how much money this "anonymous family"
> > who donated this crass
> > monstrosity gave to charities this year. How much did they
> > roll up their
> > sleeves to help those less fortunate than themselves? I
> > wonder.
> > 
> > Holly Tsur
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Walt Wentz <waltw at teleport.com>
> > To: Forest Grove local interests list
> > <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:32:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] That's one big flag
> > 
> > Not to be "unpatriotic" or anything, but it
> > strikes me as somewhat
> > like the burger-joint-chain gimmick of a few years ago--
> > when local
> > sign codes limited the size of their signs, they just flew
> > humungous
> > American flags to attract attention to themselves.
> > It is astonishing, even a bit overwhelming.
> > Walt
> > On Apr 23, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Allen Warren wrote:
> > 
> > > Bigger is better? One better than the Jones'?
> > "Because we
> > > can!"? :-)
> > >
> > > Allen Warren
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Steven <NoSpam03 at comcast.net>
> > > To: Forest Grove local interests list
> > <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:26:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] That's one big flag
> > >
> > > Is there a good explanation for why there is a
> > humongous flag?
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-
> > > bounces at rdrop.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Bob Browning
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:47 AM
> > > To: Forest Grove local interests list
> > > Subject: Re: [Grovenet] That's one big flag
> > >
> > >
> > > No chuck, Chuck!! Any flag you can see from one end of
> > town to
> > > the other
> > > is one humongous flag!! I wonder how long until the
> > City has no
> > > money to buy
> > > the replacement flag when this one is all tattered in
> > about 12 to 14
> > > months?? Or, maybe the Mayor is going to come up with
> > the
> > > additional funds
> > > needed??
> > >
> > > bob
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > > chuck wrote:
> > > Saw the flag yesterday as I was leaving town for work.
> > >
> > > That's - um - one - HUGE - flag.
> > >
> > >
> > Wow.------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
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