[Grovenet] Being thankful

[Steele, Mike]

Folks...this from Media Matters:

"...during a January 13 press conference, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell stated: "The new numbers are, we believe, 18 confirmed and 43 suspected of returning to the fight. So 61 in all former Guantanamo detainees are confirmed or suspected of returning to the fight." Additionally, as Daily Kos contributing editor Joan McCarter noted, Seton Hall University School of Law professor Mark Denbeaux has disputed the Pentagon's figures, asserting: 'Once again, they've failed to identify names, numbers, dates, times, places, or acts upon which their report relies. Every time they have been required to identify the parties, the DOD has been forced to retract their false IDs and their numbers.'"

FYI.

--Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On Behalf Of Katie Allnutt
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:06 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Being thankful

Then we agree.
Some of the people at Gitmo were horrendous violent and evil.  Those  
would be fairly easy to prosecute and hold in jail for a very long time.

History tells us though that if you treat  cab drivers and  
sheepherders violently, they emerge from the experience with negative  
feelings toward their captors, regardless of whether they went in as  
model citizens or low level thugs in their own communities. I would  
too if I was the one subjected to harsh interrogation just short of  
organ failure, using Dick Cheney and Alberto Gonzales descriptions of  
what do to people at Gitmo.

But even though we agree on some points we are off track on the  
thread that started this conversation. If some people are released  
from Gitmo because Obama is changing our procedures there, will that  
make us unsafe in a way that Bush's actions have not?  I submit that  
it is no worse than what Bush has already done in creating more  
terrorists and it may help by showing the rest of the world that you  
can survive as a country if you hold to the principle that you do not  
torture people.


Katie






On Jan 22, 2009, at 11:21 PM, JJSAW at aol.com wrote:

> I guess I find it absolutely amazing that out of the hundreds of  
> prisoners
> that went into Guantanamo Bay, all of them were cab drivers and  
> sheepherders.
> And they were model citizens who decided to become terrorists  
> "after" they
> were released.
>  Do I believe all of those arrested were terrorists and none were   
> innocent?
> Absolutely not. We can't even avoid picking up people in this  
> country  that
> were not guilty as charged.
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