[Grovenet] More on Guantanamo and humane treatment
Ed Davie
edavie at verizon.net
Fri Jan 23 17:30:09 PST 2009
What do you mean, "He just bombed Pakistan"?
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven
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Subject: Re: [Grovenet] More on Guantanamo and
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Hu?
The planning for 9/11 was done well before Bush
came to office. There have
already been Obama effigies burned. He just
bombed Pakistan.
You think this whole thing is about Bush? I'm
optimistic that you will
learn.
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> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com
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> Behalf Of mark oberzil
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] More on Guantanamo and
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>
>
> Forgive me if this thought has already come up
on Gnet. But I have yet to
> see any mention, here or in the press, of the
idea that the mere election
> of Barak Obama might greatly undermine efforts
to recruit terrorists
> worldwide.
>
> After 9/11, throughout the Islamic world there
were posters of the attacks
> on the twin towers. It was like saying, "Look
what we did! Come join
> us!" The election of Barak Hussein Obama,
albeit seven years later, is
> like a collective turning of the other cheek
by America, saying, "and look
> what we did!"
>
> Of course the road ahead will be difficult.
But I for one cannot help but
> believe that the job of every terror
recruiter, every suicide peddling
> Mullah, was made much more difficult by this
one act.
>
> Mark
>
> --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Katie Allnutt
<allnutt at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: Katie Allnutt <allnutt at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Grovenet] More on Guantanamo and
humane treatment
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list"
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> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 6:53 PM
>
> Interesting read. Be sure to note the guy who
was motivated by his
> desire to keep his family safe, a universal
trait to be sure.
>
> We are in a crucial battle of ideas. The way
to win is to stick to them.
>
> Katie
>
>
>
> Obama Says No to Torture; Interrogators Say
Yes to Obama
>
> David Danzig – Thu Jan 22, 10:51 pm ET
> Huffington Post
>
>
> Interrogators are lauding President Obama for
signing an executive
> order that will shut down secret CIA prisons
and place the use of
> coercive interrogation techniques completely
off limits.
> "[The order] closes an unconscionable period
in our history, in which
> those who knew least, professed to know most
about interrogations,"
> said Joe Navarro, a former special agent and
supervisor with the FBI.
> "Some die-hards on the right -- who have never
interrogated anyone --
> are already arguing that forcing
interrogations to be conducted
> within army field manual guidelines is a step
backward and will
> result in 'coddling' dangerous terrorists,"
retired Colonel Stuart
>
> Herrington, who served for more than 30 years
as a military
> intelligence officer, said soon after the
order was signed. "This is
> a common, but uninformed view. Experienced,
well-trained,
> professional interrogators know that
interrogation is an art. It is a
> battle of wits, not muscle. It is a challenge
that can be
> accomplished within the military guidelines
without resorting to
> brutality."
> The way interrogation works is largely
misunderstood by the general
> public and some senior policy makers,
according to Navarro,
> Herrington and other intelligence
professionals.
> "Interrogation is not like a faucet that you
can turn on - and the
> harder you turn, the more information will
pour out," explains
> Herrington, who conducted a classified review
of detention and
> interrogation practices in Iraq for the U.S.
Army.
> * * * * * *
> Getting a suspected terrorist to talk is much
more subtle than what
> one typically sees in the movies or on TV. A
new book, How to Break A
> Terrorist by Matthew Alexander (a pseudonym),
provides an inside look
> at how interrogation can yield more
information if it is done humanely.
> Alexander developed the intelligence that led
U.S. forces to al-
> Zarqawi, the former chief of Al Qaeda in Iraq.
While some were using
> abusive techniques to try to crack detainees,
Alexander used a
> smarter, more sophisticated approach. He
learned what the detainees
> cared about and then used that information to
get what he wanted.
> For example, his first big break came when he
interrogated a cleric
> who was an Al Qaeda operative. The cleric said
he would like to
> "slit" Alexander's throat "and watch you die"
when the
> interrogation
> began. Three days later he gave up critical
info that led directly to
> Zarqawi.
> What changed? Alexander learned, through
patient questioning, that
> the detainee had joined Al Qaeda to keep his
family safe. The cleric
> identified key Al Qaeda hiding places as soon
as Alexander showed
> that he could -- and would -- protect the
cleric's family.
> Another recently published book, Mission:
Black List #1 by Staff
> Sergeant Eric Maddox, shows how the author, an
interrogator stationed
> in Tikrit, developed the intelligence that led
to the capture of
> Saddam Hussein. Maddox was hunting one of the
most wanted men in
> Iraq. Like Alexander he did not try to "break"
detainees by beating
> them up; he talked to them.
> Maddox was an information junkie who patiently
interrogated hundreds
> of detainees and slowly pieced together a
picture that led him to
> Saddam. He also intuitively understood that,
if possible, you want
> the detainees to not only answer your
questions, but also tell you
> which questions to ask. He induced a detainee
who was a close friend
> (and former driver) of one of Saddam's closest
confidants to join his
> "team." The former driver joined Maddox in
interrogations. Detainees
>
> "broke" the moment that Maddox and the former
driver started
> interrogating them.
> As Maddox and Alexander have proved, these are
the sorts of
> techniques that work in the interrogation
booth. Professional
> interrogators believe that the president's
action not only returned
> the U.S. to high ground, they refocused U.S.
intelligence operations
> on techniques that are effective.
> * * * * * *
> "The quality and quantity of intelligence we
can gather will now
> begin to increase," said Torin Nelson, an
intelligence professional
> who served as an interrogator with the U.S.
Army and private military
> contractors.
> To illustrate how torture can lead to poor
intelligence, Nelson cites
> the case of Al-Libi, a detainee who was
tortured and, under duress,
> gave misinformation about a connection between
Iraq and Al Qaeda.
> (Secretary Colin Powell quoted intelligence
gained from Al-Libi as
> justification to go to war with Iraq.)
> Nelson, president of the Society for
Professional Human Intelligence,
> said that he hoped we could end debate about
whether or not torture
> works and instead work on providing
interrogators with the training
> and resources they need to do their jobs
effectively.
> "The challenge we face does not have to do
with so-called 'enhanced
> interrogation techniques,' " said Nelson. "We
don't want
> those. What
> we do need is to build a world-class
interrogation corps. To do that,
> we need to pay more attention to recruiting,
training, and managing
> interrogators. President Obama's executive
order is an important
> first step but there is still more to do."
>
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