[Grovenet] From Politico . . .

Wed Jul 15 18:12:55 PDT 2009

Katie,

The only way to remove racism from the statement is to remove racial words 
as in "Give me  a person that's
 been through the school of hard knocks over an ignorant one any   day." 
Sotomayer chose to add race., which makes it more difficult to determine her 
true intent. I will agree that she was probably trying to negate race by 
pointing out that wisdom is a trait of all races, but she left a lot of room 
for interpretation or misinterpretation.

If she was attempting to convey a hope for true acceptance of all diversity, 
as in the words of Martin Luther King, "I have a dream that my four little 
children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the 
color of their skin but by the content of their character," she made a 
misguided, obfuscated attempt. There was no need for her to inject race when 
it needs to be stated so simply and concisely. No blanks needed.

Steve
.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katie Allnutt" <allnutt at verizon.net>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] From Politico . . .

> If a southern senator said "Give me a a good ol' white man that's
> been through the school of hard knocks over an ignorant _________ any
> day", I think that everyone would agree with him regardless of how
> you fill in the blank. At least I would.  Ignorant people come in all
> colors and I'd rather have a wise one than a dumb one.
>
> If we as a society are to truly transcend this hypocritical cycle, we
> all must be honest and willing to recognize that wise people come in
> all colors too.  But since a lot of people don't seem to recognize
> that wise people do come in all colors we get stuck trying to put
> meanings to words taken out of context.
>
> Progressives aren't denouncing Sotomayor's statement because it
> wasn't racist in the context of the full speech and it wasn't racist
> given your own example of the ol' white guy vs the ignorant guy.
>
> Katie
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Steve Jerrett wrote:
>
>> "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her
>> experiences
>> would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white
>> male who
>> hasn't lived that life,"  was stated by Sandra Sotomayor, 2001.
>>
>> That my be true, but why the racism? It seems that anyone,
>> regardless of
>> race, with a rich life experience would bring more to the table
>> than someone
>> that has led a sheltered life.
>>
>> We all probably know that if the reverse were uttered by a white man,
>> widespread outrage would ensue. Imagine the outrage if a  southern
>> senator
>> stated "give me a good ol' white man that's been through the school
>> of hard
>> knocks over an ignorant Mexican any day."
>>
>> Why aren't "progressives" joining in to denounce Sotomayor's blatantly
>> racist statement? Instead,  such questioning is dismissed  as
>> fractious
>> rhetoric.
>>
>> If we as a society are to truly transcend this hypocritical cycle,
>> we all
>> must be honest and willing to denounce racism from all sources.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Allen Warren" <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] From Politico . . .
>>
>>
>> It really is sad how our Congressional so-called "leaders" put
>> Supreme Court
>> nominees through the wringer. It's bad enough that nominees like
>> Sotomayor
>> have to first run a gauntlet just to reach the point where they can be
>> considered as a nominee, but then each nominee has to sit through
>> pompous,
>> scathing badgering which is mostly show with little substance. And
>> it's not
>> just Sotomayor I'm talking about. It's all of her predecessors in
>> at least
>> the last 30 years.
>>
>> Kudos to Sotomayor for not jumping up to run over and strangle some
>> of the
>> Repulicans. And kudos to her predecessors for not doing the same
>> with the
>> opposition party in past nomination hearings.
>>
>> I firmly believe in and support our government. But these nomination
>> hearings are simply a mechanism for the opposition party to drag on
>> the
>> pre-destined approval process to both badger the nominee and also
>> hope they
>> can somehow, magically find a "smoking gun" that simply isn't there.
>>
>> Allen Warren
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Bob Browning <rab at jurislex.com>
>> To: Grovenet <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:20:23 PM
>> Subject: [Grovenet] From Politico . . .
>>
>>
>> I just heard Sen Coburn using a Dezi Arnas phrase from the Lucy
>> Show. Yet
>> another reference to Sotomayor's latin heritage. These Republicans
>> never
>> stop. If you're wondering what they're doing they're playing to the
>> base.
>> Recall what Limbaugh (the figure head of the conservative movement)
>> remarked
>> early in this process: "Sotomayor is a racist" (paraphrased).
>> That's what
>> they're probing for. They are looking to affirm their
>> "reverse-discrimination" mantra. These guys are intent on making this
>> nomination about race apprently because the latina woman has had
>> her foot on
>> the throat of conservative white male elites for such a long time.
>> It really
>> is an insight into the sociopathology and dogmatic intellect of the
>> conservative mind.
>>
>>
>>
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