[Grovenet] From Politico . . .

Wed Jul 15 19:15:56 PDT 2009

Ah, I understand now.  When you are specifically trying to encourage  
a group of Latina women you should never use the phrase 'wise Latina  
woman'. Because 15 or 20 years from now it will be hard to determine  
your true intent from one statement taken out of context.

We are all forewarned.....

; )

Katie

On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Steve Jerrett wrote:

> Katie,
>
> The only way to remove racism from the statement is to remove  
> racial words
> as in "Give me  a person that's
>  been through the school of hard knocks over an ignorant one any    
> day."
> Sotomayer chose to add race., which makes it more difficult to  
> determine her
> true intent. I will agree that she was probably trying to negate  
> race by
> pointing out that wisdom is a trait of all races, but she left a  
> lot of room
> for interpretation or misinterpretation.
>
> If she was attempting to convey a hope for true acceptance of all  
> diversity,
> as in the words of Martin Luther King, "I have a dream that my four  
> little
> children will one day live in a nation where they will not be  
> judged by the
> color of their skin but by the content of their character," she made a
> misguided, obfuscated attempt. There was no need for her to inject  
> race when
> it needs to be stated so simply and concisely. No blanks needed.
>
> Steve
> .
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Katie Allnutt" <allnutt at verizon.net>
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] From Politico . . .
>
>
>> If a southern senator said "Give me a a good ol' white man that's
>> been through the school of hard knocks over an ignorant _________ any
>> day", I think that everyone would agree with him regardless of how
>> you fill in the blank. At least I would.  Ignorant people come in all
>> colors and I'd rather have a wise one than a dumb one.
>>
>> If we as a society are to truly transcend this hypocritical cycle, we
>> all must be honest and willing to recognize that wise people come in
>> all colors too.  But since a lot of people don't seem to recognize
>> that wise people do come in all colors we get stuck trying to put
>> meanings to words taken out of context.
>>
>> Progressives aren't denouncing Sotomayor's statement because it
>> wasn't racist in the context of the full speech and it wasn't racist
>> given your own example of the ol' white guy vs the ignorant guy.
>>
>> Katie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Steve Jerrett wrote:
>>
>>> "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her
>>> experiences
>>> would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white
>>> male who
>>> hasn't lived that life,"  was stated by Sandra Sotomayor, 2001.
>>>
>>> That my be true, but why the racism? It seems that anyone,
>>> regardless of
>>> race, with a rich life experience would bring more to the table
>>> than someone
>>> that has led a sheltered life.
>>>
>>> We all probably know that if the reverse were uttered by a white  
>>> man,
>>> widespread outrage would ensue. Imagine the outrage if a  southern
>>> senator
>>> stated "give me a good ol' white man that's been through the school
>>> of hard
>>> knocks over an ignorant Mexican any day."
>>>
>>> Why aren't "progressives" joining in to denounce Sotomayor's  
>>> blatantly
>>> racist statement? Instead,  such questioning is dismissed  as
>>> fractious
>>> rhetoric.
>>>
>>> If we as a society are to truly transcend this hypocritical cycle,
>>> we all
>>> must be honest and willing to denounce racism from all sources.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Allen Warren" <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] From Politico . . .
>>>
>>>
>>> It really is sad how our Congressional so-called "leaders" put
>>> Supreme Court
>>> nominees through the wringer. It's bad enough that nominees like
>>> Sotomayor
>>> have to first run a gauntlet just to reach the point where they  
>>> can be
>>> considered as a nominee, but then each nominee has to sit through
>>> pompous,
>>> scathing badgering which is mostly show with little substance. And
>>> it's not
>>> just Sotomayor I'm talking about. It's all of her predecessors in
>>> at least
>>> the last 30 years.
>>>
>>> Kudos to Sotomayor for not jumping up to run over and strangle some
>>> of the
>>> Repulicans. And kudos to her predecessors for not doing the same
>>> with the
>>> opposition party in past nomination hearings.
>>>
>>> I firmly believe in and support our government. But these nomination
>>> hearings are simply a mechanism for the opposition party to drag on
>>> the
>>> pre-destined approval process to both badger the nominee and also
>>> hope they
>>> can somehow, magically find a "smoking gun" that simply isn't there.
>>>
>>> Allen Warren
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Bob Browning <rab at jurislex.com>
>>> To: Grovenet <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:20:23 PM
>>> Subject: [Grovenet] From Politico . . .
>>>
>>>
>>> I just heard Sen Coburn using a Dezi Arnas phrase from the Lucy
>>> Show. Yet
>>> another reference to Sotomayor's latin heritage. These Republicans
>>> never
>>> stop. If you're wondering what they're doing they're playing to the
>>> base.
>>> Recall what Limbaugh (the figure head of the conservative movement)
>>> remarked
>>> early in this process: "Sotomayor is a racist" (paraphrased).
>>> That's what
>>> they're probing for. They are looking to affirm their
>>> "reverse-discrimination" mantra. These guys are intent on making  
>>> this
>>> nomination about race apprently because the latina woman has had
>>> her foot on
>>> the throat of conservative white male elites for such a long time.
>>> It really
>>> is an insight into the sociopathology and dogmatic intellect of the
>>> conservative mind.
>>>
>>>
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