[Grovenet] From Politico . . .

Wed Jul 15 23:37:19 PDT 2009

Consider also the context of the speech... she was speaking to and  
about other Latinas.
So, what SHOULD she have said?
"I  would hope that a wise 7th-gender Martian with the richness of  
its experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion  
than a human who hasn't lived that life?"
Blaaaagh... if this is the worst the Repuglicans can dig up to prove  
Sotomayer "blatantly racist"-- because they can't attack her  
experience or intelligence-- then "I would hope" that they would have  
the good grace to pack it in and stop wasting the government's time  
and the public's patience. It is sourly amusing to see a fossilized  
legislator who once joked about the Ku Klux Klan now trying to paint  
as racist a woman who is,  "I would hope," his moral and intellectual  
superior.
Walt
On Jul 15, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Steve Jerrett wrote:

> Walt stated,
>
> "What is implicit in her sentence is that a white male-- or anybody--
> who HAD lived "that life" might also reach "good conclusions."
>
> I can't agree with your assessment as to her implications. If she  
> had stated
> "I would hope that a wise person with a richness of
>  experiences   would more often than not reach a better conclusion  
> than one
> that    hasn't lived that life," I would be more inclined to agree  
> with you.
> But, she chose to interject race and gender. That makes her statement
> multi-faceted, and much more difficult to ascertain her intent.
>
>
> My whole point, regardless of her intent, is that the same  
> statement would
> cause a firestorm of backlash if uttered by a conservative. Many  
> seem to
> assume that racism is inherent only to "rich, old, white, right-wing
> Southern men," but would never entertain the thought that a  
> "progressive"
> Latina would harbor any racist tendencies. I believe the scrutiny  
> in her
> case is appropriate. This is the Supreme Court, after all.
>
> As for having to live "that life" to be able to recognize racism is  
> absurd.
> Enough said.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walt Wentz" <waltw at teleport.com>
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] From Politico . . .
>
>
>> Kindly read the entire sentence...
>> "I would hope..."
>> That means this is an optimistic speculation on her part.  She said,
>> "I would hope," not "I say" or "I believe" or even "The Bible  
>> proves."
>> "...a white male  who HASN'T LIVED THAT LIFE."
>> Get it? Hasn't. Lived. That. Life.
>> What is implicit in her sentence is that a white male-- or anybody--
>> who HAD lived "that life" might also reach "good conclusions."
>>
>> My own reaction, listening to the endless blathering of the Repub
>> politicos and spinmeisters, is that rich, old, white, right-wing
>> Southern men not only have never lived "that life," they wouldn't
>> recognize racism if it bit them on the keister-- because it never  
>> has!
>> They have always been on the delivering end, not the receiving one.
>> Walt
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Steve Jerrett wrote:
>>
>>> "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her
>>> experiences
>>> would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white
>>> male who
>>> hasn't lived that life,"  was stated by Sandra Sotomayor, 2001.
>>>
>>> That my be true, but why the racism? It seems that anyone,
>>> regardless of
>>> race, with a rich life experience would bring more to the table
>>> than someone
>>> that has led a sheltered life.
>>>
>>> We all probably know that if the reverse were uttered by a white  
>>> man,
>>> widespread outrage would ensue. Imagine the outrage if a  southern
>>> senator
>>> stated "give me a good ol' white man that's been through the school
>>> of hard
>>> knocks over an ignorant Mexican any day."
>>>
>>> Why aren't "progressives" joining in to denounce Sotomayor's  
>>> blatantly
>>> racist statement? Instead,  such questioning is dismissed  as
>>> fractious
>>> rhetoric.
>>>
>>> If we as a society are to truly transcend this hypocritical cycle,
>>> we all
>>> must be honest and willing to denounce racism from all sources.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Allen Warren" <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] From Politico . . .
>>>
>>>
>>> It really is sad how our Congressional so-called "leaders" put
>>> Supreme Court
>>> nominees through the wringer. It's bad enough that nominees like
>>> Sotomayor
>>> have to first run a gauntlet just to reach the point where they  
>>> can be
>>> considered as a nominee, but then each nominee has to sit through
>>> pompous,
>>> scathing badgering which is mostly show with little substance. And
>>> it's not
>>> just Sotomayor I'm talking about. It's all of her predecessors in
>>> at least
>>> the last 30 years.
>>>
>>> Kudos to Sotomayor for not jumping up to run over and strangle some
>>> of the
>>> Repulicans. And kudos to her predecessors for not doing the same
>>> with the
>>> opposition party in past nomination hearings.
>>>
>>> I firmly believe in and support our government. But these nomination
>>> hearings are simply a mechanism for the opposition party to drag on
>>> the
>>> pre-destined approval process to both badger the nominee and also
>>> hope they
>>> can somehow, magically find a "smoking gun" that simply isn't there.
>>>
>>> Allen Warren
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Bob Browning <rab at jurislex.com>
>>> To: Grovenet <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:20:23 PM
>>> Subject: [Grovenet] From Politico . . .
>>>
>>>
>>> I just heard Sen Coburn using a Dezi Arnas phrase from the Lucy
>>> Show. Yet
>>> another reference to Sotomayor's latin heritage. These Republicans
>>> never
>>> stop. If you're wondering what they're doing they're playing to the
>>> base.
>>> Recall what Limbaugh (the figure head of the conservative movement)
>>> remarked
>>> early in this process: "Sotomayor is a racist" (paraphrased).
>>> That's what
>>> they're probing for. They are looking to affirm their
>>> "reverse-discrimination" mantra. These guys are intent on making  
>>> this
>>> nomination about race apprently because the latina woman has had
>>> her foot on
>>> the throat of conservative white male elites for such a long time.
>>> It really
>>> is an insight into the sociopathology and dogmatic intellect of the
>>> conservative mind.
>>>
>>>
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