From khourym at verizon.net  Mon Jun  1 18:06:23 2009
From: khourym at verizon.net (Martha Khoury)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:06:23 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Garden Fair/Tour Details
Message-ID: <F5A75783-DCF2-48BA-85A7-A282107A8AA8@verizon.net>

Friends of Historic Forest Grove

Annual Garden Tour is THIS Sunday, June 7.

I think things get started about 11 am and wind down about 4 pm.

Tickets will be for sale at the FREE Garden Fair on Main Street  
between Pacific and 21st.
Come and check out the vendors and entertainment.

Garden Tour tickets are $12.

Hope to see you there!

--Martha K. ~ a friend of historic Forest Grove

From theresacus at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  2 02:30:11 2009
From: theresacus at yahoo.com (Theresa Carter)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 02:30:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Shopping Cart John
Message-ID: <816106.64130.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Has anyone seen shopping cart John lately?? Keith and I have not noticed him around?Forest Grove?lately.? We are going into downtown Hillsboro today so I will ask around there because he does adventure that far.? He is a honest and harmless lost sole, who loves Joan Biaz music.? If anyone has not taken the time to talk to him he truely is a good guy, with mental illness.? 
?
Pray with me that he is safe.? 
?
Theresa 


      

From NoSpam03 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  2 07:15:41 2009
From: NoSpam03 at comcast.net (Steven)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 07:15:41 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Shopping Cart John
In-Reply-To: <816106.64130.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNCEEHMHAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>

Is that the guy with the helmet?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
> Behalf Of Theresa Carter
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:30 AM
> To: grovenet at rdrop.com
> Subject: [Grovenet] Shopping Cart John
>
>
>
> Has anyone seen shopping cart John lately?? Keith and I have not noticed
> him around?Forest Grove?lately.? We are going into downtown Hillsboro
> today so I will ask around there because he does adventure that far.? He
> is a honest and harmless lost sole, who loves Joan Biaz music.? If anyone
> has not taken the time to talk to him he truely is a good guy, with mental
> illness.?
> ?
> Pray with me that he is safe.?
> ?
> Theresa
>
>
>
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From smithsmith at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 08:31:54 2009
From: smithsmith at gmail.com (b Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:31:54 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Shopping Cart John
In-Reply-To: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNCEEHMHAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>
References: <816106.64130.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNCEEHMHAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>
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He has relatives in Astoria - so sometimes he goes there.


On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Steven <NoSpam03 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Is that the guy with the helmet?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
> > Behalf Of Theresa Carter
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:30 AM
> > To: grovenet at rdrop.com
> > Subject: [Grovenet] Shopping Cart John
> >
> >
> >
> > Has anyone seen shopping cart John lately?  Keith and I have not noticed
> > him around Forest Grove lately.  We are going into downtown Hillsboro
> > today so I will ask around there because he does adventure that far.  He
> > is a honest and harmless lost sole, who loves Joan Biaz music.  If anyone
> > has not taken the time to talk to him he truely is a good guy, with
> mental
> > illness.
> >
> > Pray with me that he is safe.
> >
> > Theresa
> >
> >
> >
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From waltw at teleport.com  Tue Jun  2 08:58:59 2009
From: waltw at teleport.com (Walt Wentz)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:58:59 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Shopping Cart John
In-Reply-To: <816106.64130.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <816106.64130.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <100F0B78-C072-4390-B7B9-EC530C04452A@teleport.com>

I haven't seen him for at least two weeks. Spoke with him outside  
Pizza Schmizza, but that was the last time I've seen him. Hope he's  
alright.
Walt
On Jun 2, 2009, at 2:30 AM, Theresa Carter wrote:

>
> Has anyone seen shopping cart John lately?  Keith and I have not  
> noticed him around Forest Grove lately.  We are going into downtown  
> Hillsboro today so I will ask around there because he does  
> adventure that far.  He is a honest and harmless lost sole, who  
> loves Joan Biaz music.  If anyone has not taken the time to talk to  
> him he truely is a good guy, with mental illness.
>
> Pray with me that he is safe.
>
> Theresa
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rab at jurislex.com  Thu Jun  4 10:06:25 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:06:25 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Here's one answer to all the pundit pushback ! ! ! !
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From g-g-steele at comcast.net  Thu Jun  4 10:17:53 2009
From: g-g-steele at comcast.net (Geri)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:17:53 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Here's one answer to all the pundit pushback ! ! ! !
References: <4A27FF11.9030808@jurislex.com>
Message-ID: <047DDB87DD664EC39EBB7B42B8505D86@gerianehzkfhvy>

Thanks for passing it along, Bob.

:) Geri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bob Browning 
To: Grovenet 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:06 AM
Subject: [Grovenet] Here's one answer to all the pundit pushback ! ! ! !


2nd Circuit Judge Calabresi on Former Student and Current Colleague Sotomayor
The Connecticut Law Tribune
June 4, 2009

Fewer than 6 percent of the cases decided by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals come from Connecticut. Still, people and issues from Connecticut are likely to be highly important in the upcoming confirmation hearings of U.S. Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, a 2nd Circuit judge for the past 12 years. 

Former Yale Law School Dean Guido Calabresi is a colleague of Sotomayor's on the appellate court. He first met her at Yale, when he was a professor and she was a student, and was impressed with her legal talents and personal attributes.

Although Sotomayor is known for writing lengthy and layered opinions, she's likely to be questioned extensively about one of her more terse efforts. In Ricci v. New Haven, white firefighters were denied promotions when New Haven officials tossed out the results of a promotional exam on which black firefighters performed poorly. In a one-paragraph decision, Sotomayor, writing for the court, upheld the decision by New Haven officials without touching on affirmative action doctrines or other large legal issues presented by the lawsuit. The U.S. Supreme Court recently heard arguments in the case.

Senior Writer Thomas B. Scheffey spoke last week with Calabresi, who shared insights into Sotomayor's character and abilities and her approach to the Ricci decision.

LAW TRIBUNE: How long have you known Sonia Sotomayor? 

GUIDO CALABRESI: I've known her ever since she was a first-year student in my torts class. She was terrific then. Yesterday, I went back and looked at my exams. My practice is to read the exams [without looking at the student's] name and then write on the exam a one-liner about what the exam was like. It was a wonderful exam, and I wrote, 'Knows her stuff! Has originality!' That's a wonderful little aside that most people wouldn't know.

We've been on the court together for 12 years. I was there a few years before [she joined]. And she's a marvelous, powerful, profoundly decent person. Very popular on the court because she listens, convinces and can be convinced -- always by good legal argument. She's changed my mind, not an insignificant number of times. And as I've told some people, I'm a tough act.

LAW TRIBUNE: It's a mark of a lively intellect that you can have your mind changed.

CALABRESI: And it works both ways. She listens to people and people listen to her. Often when we've had court meetings, and disagreed on things, there can be some tension. She's the one who regularly arranges for us to go out together with spouses afterwards, and relax and be human beings with each other, and that has been a great help.

LAW TRIBUNE: What other qualities stand out?

CALABRESI: Extraordinary integrity. Often, when people have been mentioned for a promotion, they start to be a little careful. To [think], "Why offend people when it could get in the way of a promotion?" From the time Sonia came on the court, she was understandably a person who was mentioned as somebody, possibly, who could be considered for the Supreme Court. But she has never let that affect her decisions, her judgment. It has always been straight on the law as she read it, and that's it.

LAW TRIBUNE: You're saying she wasn't trying to express a more middle-of-the-road view to please more people, or be more palatable?

CALABRESI: She's never done that, she's just followed the law. And she is also a judge who does not reach out to decide more than what is before her. The word 'activist' is usually misused to attack somebody who disagrees with you. It actually has a meaning. An activist judge or a willful judge is one who decides more than is needed for that case, and tries to set her or his views in stone when there is a chance to do it. A good judge doesn't do that.

LAW TRIBUNE: People are predicting that the New Haven reverse discrimination case is likely to generate a lot of questions, even though Judge Sotomayor wrote very little in that decision. Do you have an insight about why she wrote so little?

CALABRESI: I cannot speak about a case that is sub judice, which that case is. But I can say this. First, she was not the presiding judge of that case. It's a panel, and the presider is significant in such things. The interesting thing that that panel did was try to decide the particular case before it, without resolving a very, very hard question of law. And that goes to what I just said before. That is the opposite of an activist judge. That issue is one of the hardest issues around.

[The judges on the panel] thought this particular case ... could be dealt with without trying to settle something that's extraordinarily hard. She - and that panel -- was trying to be in the best sense of the word, a minimalist judge. If people say that was activism, they've got it backwards.

LAW TRIBUNE: People have criticized Judge Sotomayor as being brusque.

CALABRESI: When she first came on, there were some lawyers who said that about her manner on the bench. I started keeping track of what she was saying and what my male colleagues were saying. [What they were saying] was identical. There are some lawyers who don't like to be questioned hard by a woman. It's just as simple as that. It's a sign that Sonia will just be herself.

LAW TRIBUNE: Do you think the scorching questioning faced by Judge Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas before the Senate Judiciary Committee is a thing of the past?

CALABRESI: That gets into politics and is outside my line. But if she is questioned and grilled by senators, she will answer them! 

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From a_tom_51 at juno.com  Thu Jun  4 12:01:33 2009
From: a_tom_51 at juno.com (a_tom_51 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:01:33 GMT
Subject: [Grovenet] Here's one answer to all the pundit pushback ! ! ! !
Message-ID: <20090604.120133.9488.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

Hey Bob,
Dean Calabresi mentions that his practice to not look at the students name before writing a short note regarding the examination. But one Judge Sotomayor's exam he wrote "Knows her stuff" It makes me wonder if Calabresi had the student's gender noted? Isn't that a little peculiar?
Tom Alexander
 
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From allnutt at verizon.net  Thu Jun  4 12:12:41 2009
From: allnutt at verizon.net (Katie Allnutt)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:12:41 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Here's one answer to all the pundit pushback ! ! ! !
In-Reply-To: <20090604.120133.9488.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20090604.120133.9488.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <E4EA78C4-AE5C-499F-B805-C7AD7C1F89C0@verizon.net>

Back in the days before everything was printed on a computer an  
astute professor could probably tell who the student was either by  
the handwriting or by the style of writing by the end of the term.   
Even on math exams with show your work problems a teacher can narrow  
down the test to just a few students without looking at the name. He  
could have known the writer was a she without knowing exactly who it  
was (assuming there was more than one female in the class).

The other possibility is that he wrote 'knows his stuff' on the test,  
then looked at the name and corrected the comment to 'knows her  
stuff'. (Lawyers like to go back and correct themselves sometimes.)

It would be interesting to know more details as you point out.

Katie


On Jun 4, 2009, at 12:01 PM, a_tom_51 at juno.com wrote:

> Hey Bob,
> Dean Calabresi mentions that his practice to not look at the  
> students name before writing a short note regarding the  
> examination. But one Judge Sotomayor's exam he wrote "Knows her  
> stuff" It makes me wonder if Calabresi had the student's gender  
> noted? Isn't that a little peculiar?
> Tom Alexander
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Let the sun shine in! Click now for a beautiful new sunroom!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/ 
> BLSrjpTGQll9HVIRQhp7ZrOKKp7DbmvZRNkRnKnzPNWKGHvtfjLekjYlyd6/
> 2nd Circuit Judge Calabresi on Former Student and Current Colleague  
> Sotomayor
>
> The Connecticut Law Tribune
> June 4, 2009
>
> Fewer than 6 percent of the cases decided by the 2nd U.S. Circuit  
> Court of Appeals come from Connecticut. Still, people and issues  
> from Connecticut are likely to be highly important in the upcoming  
> confirmation hearings of U.S. Supreme Court nominee Sonia  
> Sotomayor, a 2nd Circuit judge for the past 12 years.
>
> Former Yale Law School Dean Guido Calabresi is a colleague of  
> Sotomayor's on the appellate court. He first met her at Yale, when  
> he was a professor and she was a student, and was impressed with  
> her legal talents and personal attributes.
>
> Although Sotomayor is known for writing lengthy and layered  
> opinions, she's likely to be questioned extensively about one of  
> her more terse efforts. In Ricci v. New Haven, white firefighters  
> were denied promotions when New Haven officials tossed out the  
> results of a promotional exam on which black firefighters performed  
> poorly. In a one-paragraph decision, Sotomayor, writing for the  
> court, upheld the decision by New Haven officials without touching  
> on affirmative action doctrines or other large legal issues  
> presented by the lawsuit. The U.S. Supreme Court recently heard  
> arguments in the case.
>
> Senior Writer Thomas B. Scheffey spoke last week with Calabresi,  
> who shared insights into Sotomayor's character and abilities and  
> her approach to the Ricci decision.
>
> LAW TRIBUNE: How long have you known Sonia Sotomayor?
>
> GUIDO CALABRESI: I've known her ever since she was a first-year  
> student in my torts class. She was terrific then. Yesterday, I went  
> back and looked at my exams. My practice is to read the exams  
> [without looking at the student's] name and then write on the exam  
> a one-liner about what the exam was like. It was a wonderful exam,  
> and I wrote, ?Knows her stuff! Has originality!' That's a wonderful  
> little aside that most people wouldn't know.
>
> We've been on the court together for 12 years. I was there a few  
> years before [she joined]. And she's a marvelous, powerful,  
> profoundly decent person. Very popular on the court because she  
> listens, convinces and can be convinced -- always by good legal  
> argument. She's changed my mind, not an insignificant number of  
> times. And as I've told some people, I'm a tough act.
>
> LAW TRIBUNE: It's a mark of a lively intellect that you can have  
> your mind changed.
>
> CALABRESI: And it works both ways. She listens to people and people  
> listen to her. Often when we've had court meetings, and disagreed  
> on things, there can be some tension. She's the one who regularly  
> arranges for us to go out together with spouses afterwards, and  
> relax and be human beings with each other, and that has been a  
> great help.
>
> LAW TRIBUNE: What other qualities stand out?
>
> CALABRESI: Extraordinary integrity. Often, when people have been  
> mentioned for a promotion, they start to be a little careful. To  
> [think], ?Why offend people when it could get in the way of a  
> promotion?? From the time Sonia came on the court, she was  
> understandably a person who was mentioned as somebody, possibly,  
> who could be considered for the Supreme Court. But she has never  
> let that affect her decisions, her judgment. It has always been  
> straight on the law as she read it, and that's it.
>
> LAW TRIBUNE: You're saying she wasn't trying to express a more  
> middle-of-the-road view to please more people, or be more palatable?
>
> CALABRESI: She's never done that, she's just followed the law. And  
> she is also a judge who does not reach out to decide more than what  
> is before her. The word 'activist' is usually misused to attack  
> somebody who disagrees with you. It actually has a meaning. An  
> activist judge or a willful judge is one who decides more than is  
> needed for that case, and tries to set her or his views in stone  
> when there is a chance to do it. A good judge doesn't do that.
>
> LAW TRIBUNE: People are predicting that the New Haven reverse  
> discrimination case is likely to generate a lot of questions, even  
> though Judge Sotomayor wrote very little in that decision. Do you  
> have an insight about why she wrote so little?
>
> CALABRESI: I cannot speak about a case that is sub judice, which  
> that case is. But I can say this. First, she was not the presiding  
> judge of that case. It's a panel, and the presider is significant  
> in such things. The interesting thing that that panel did was try  
> to decide the particular case before it, without resolving a very,  
> very hard question of law. And that goes to what I just said  
> before. That is the opposite of an activist judge. That issue is  
> one of the hardest issues around.
>
> [The judges on the panel] thought this particular case ... could be  
> dealt with without trying to settle something that's  
> extraordinarily hard. She ? and that panel -- was trying to be in  
> the best sense of the word, a minimalist judge. If people say that  
> was activism, they've got it backwards.
>
> LAW TRIBUNE: People have criticized Judge Sotomayor as being brusque.
>
> CALABRESI: When she first came on, there were some lawyers who said  
> that about her manner on the bench. I started keeping track of what  
> she was saying and what my male colleagues were saying. [What they  
> were saying] was identical. There are some lawyers who don't like  
> to be questioned hard by a woman. It's just as simple as that. It's  
> a sign that Sonia will just be herself.
>
> LAW TRIBUNE: Do you think the scorching questioning faced by Judge  
> Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas before the Senate Judiciary  
> Committee is a thing of the past?
>
> CALABRESI: That gets into politics and is outside my line. But if  
> she is questioned and grilled by senators, she will answer them!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From khourym at verizon.net  Thu Jun  4 15:18:58 2009
From: khourym at verizon.net (Martha Khoury)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:18:58 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Fwd: Youth Summer Track Meets @ Pacific University,
 Competencias	de atletismo
References: <BE7CF157-6310-4902-848D-ACBA21C4A95C@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C5621694-ED4A-456F-9F12-B154B9AF8EB3@verizon.net>

>
>> For K-8th graders ... You'll have to email Kellen directly to get a  
>> flyer as Grovenet doesn't do attachments. --Martha K.
>>
>> From: Kellen Peters [mailto:forestgrovesummersports at gmail.com]
>>
>> Hello Track & Field Fans,
>>
>>
>> Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Kellen Peters. I am  
>> a graduate of Willamette University (09?) and will be starting my  
>> Masters in Teaching program at Pacific University in mid-June where  
>> I will be completing my elementary certification and also competing  
>> in Cross Country and Track & Field. As an aspiring elementary  
>> school teacher and varsity track and basketball coach, I am amazed  
>> at the potential for success that every child possesses. That is  
>> why I would like to extend a wonderful opportunity to you, your  
>> students, and your families to participate in the 1st Annual Summer  
>> Youth Track Meets @ Pacific University?s Lincoln Park Stadium in  
>> Forest Grove, OR.
>>
>>
>> Sponsored by Forest Grove High School Track & Field and supported  
>> by the City of Forest Grove and Pacific University, all kids  
>> entering kindergarten through eighth grade are invited to  
>> participate in a variety of track and field events at the new state- 
>> of-the-art nine lane track at Lincoln Park Stadium. Meets are held  
>> every Thursday from 6:00-8:00 p.m. beginning June 11th and  
>> continuing until August 13th (except June 25th and July 16th), with  
>> registration open from 5:30-6:30 p.m. (Waiver forms must be filled  
>> out by parent or guardian at athlete?s first meet of the summer).  
>> The cost for each athlete is only $3 for up to three events with  
>> ribbons awarded to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place as well as participation  
>> ribbons for all. Regardless of whether your children are  
>> experienced track and field athletes or not, these events promise  
>> to be a great experience for both parent and child.
>>
>> If you have any questions or would like to volunteer to help at the  
>> meets please contact meet director Kellen Peters at forestgrovesummersports at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Hope to See You There,
>>
>> Kellen Peters
>>
>> M.A.T. 5th Year Student, Pacific University
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hola Fan?ticos del Atletismo,
>>
>>
>> Permita por favor que se presente. Mi nombre es Kellen Peters. Soy  
>> un graduado de la universidad de Willamette (09 ') y comenzar? mi  
>> programa de ense?anza en la universidad Pacific en el medio de  
>> junio donde terminar? mi certificaci?n elemental y tambi?n  
>> competir? en atletismo. Como profesor de escuela y un entrenador de  
>> b?squetbol del equipo universitari, me sorprenden en el potencial  
>> para el ?xito que cada ni?o posea. ?se es porqu? quisiera ampliar  
>> una oportunidad maravillosa a usted, sus estudiantes, y sus  
>> familias a participar en la primera pista anual de la juventud  
>> competencias de atletismo en el estadio del parque de Lincoln de la  
>> universidad Pacific en Forest Grove, OR.
>>
>>
>> Patrocinado por el equipo de atletismo de la escuela de Forest  
>> Grove y apoyado por la ciudad de Forest Grove y la universidad  
>> Pacific, se invita a todos los cabritos que entran en jard?n de la  
>> infancia a trav?s del octavo grado que participen en una variedad  
>> de acontecimientos del atletismo en la nueva pista de nueve  
>> carriles en el estadio del parque de Lincoln. Competencia de  
>> atletismo se llevan a cabo cada jueves del 6:00 - 8:00 el 11 de  
>> junio y continuaci?n hasta el 13 de agosto (excepto el 25 de junio  
>> y 16 de julio), con el registro abierto del 5:30 - 6: 30 P.M. (la  
>> forma de la renuncia se deben rellenar por el padre o el guarda en  
>> el atleta primero competencia de atletismo del verano). El coste  
>> para cada atleta es solamente $3 para hasta tres acontecimientos  
>> con las cintas concedidas al 1r, 2do, y 3ro lugar as? como las  
>> cintas de la participaci?n para todos. Sin importar si sus ni?os  
>> son atletas experimentados del atletismo o no, estos  
>> acontecimientos prometen ser una gran experiencia para el padre y  
>> el ni?o.
>>
>>
>> Si usted tiene preguntas o las quisiera ofrecerse voluntariamente  
>> para ayudar en se encuentra entra en contacto con por favor a  
>> director Kellen Peters de la reuni?n en forestgrovesummersports at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Gracias,
>>
>> Kellen Peters
>>
>> Universidad Pacific
>>
>
>


From greenacres2 at verizon.net  Fri Jun  5 08:15:56 2009
From: greenacres2 at verizon.net (George and Jean Cushing)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:15:56 -0800
Subject: [Grovenet] help needed
In-Reply-To: <047DDB87DD664EC39EBB7B42B8505D86@gerianehzkfhvy>
References: <4A27FF11.9030808@jurislex.com>
	<047DDB87DD664EC39EBB7B42B8505D86@gerianehzkfhvy>
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We have been contacted by a family in new Hampshire.     
Their   son is 24 with bipolar problems,  he fell off his meds and spent 60
days in jail for shoplifting.  He is back on his meds but needs some help.
We are trying to find a place for him to stay,  either here in forest grove
or anywhere in  Portland.  His mom can help to support him but because of
the legal problems he must stay in the Portland area.  He doesn't need much,
just a room , ideally with access to regular food and some direction to his
life.  If you have any ideas, please contact us and we can give you more
information.  Thank you very much. Errands Today was contacted and so we
have helped out some already but we really need some more help.   George and
Jean Cushing,  trying to help.  

http://www.eset.com


From greenacres2 at verizon.net  Fri Jun  5 10:27:32 2009
From: greenacres2 at verizon.net (George and Jean Cushing)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:27:32 -0800
Subject: [Grovenet] test
Message-ID: <001b01c9e602$e93fded0$bbbf9c70$@net>

Just trying a test. Thanks. george


From Leslie.Neyman at pobox.com  Fri Jun  5 13:47:12 2009
From: Leslie.Neyman at pobox.com (Leslie.Neyman)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:47:12 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling
In-Reply-To: <000001c9e5f0$87d36660$977a3320$@net>
References: <4A27FF11.9030808@jurislex.com>
	<047DDB87DD664EC39EBB7B42B8505D86@gerianehzkfhvy>
	<000001c9e5f0$87d36660$977a3320$@net>
Message-ID: <68D941D5856E4129B609C9211E75687E@Office>


We lost the top 30+ feet of a maple tree in the storm yesterday and need an
estimate for help to clear it away. Does anyone have any recommendations?

Thank you,

Leslie


From rab at jurislex.com  Fri Jun  5 14:18:17 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:18:17 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Oops ! ! ! !
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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:09:28 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling
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From greenacres2 at verizon.net  Fri Jun  5 15:42:07 2009
From: greenacres2 at verizon.net (George and Jean Cushing)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:42:07 -0800
Subject: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling
In-Reply-To: <68D941D5856E4129B609C9211E75687E@Office>
References: <4A27FF11.9030808@jurislex.com>
	<047DDB87DD664EC39EBB7B42B8505D86@gerianehzkfhvy>
	<000001c9e5f0$87d36660$977a3320$@net>
	<68D941D5856E4129B609C9211E75687E@Office>
Message-ID: <001301c9e62e$db756dc0$92604940$@net>

David Hunter of Forestry Works Tree Service, here in town,is a real
professional, he does analysis  as well as tree cutting and clearing, if you
want the best give him a call at 503 357 4344, thanks george. 

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Leslie.Neyman
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:47 PM
To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
Subject: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling


We lost the top 30+ feet of a maple tree in the storm yesterday and need an
estimate for help to clear it away. Does anyone have any recommendations?

Thank you,

Leslie

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From whatsupy2k at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  5 17:52:24 2009
From: whatsupy2k at yahoo.com (Vickie Madeoneup)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:52:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] help needed
Message-ID: <762959.95207.qm@web112415.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Have you tried to get ideas from Adventures Without Limits? "Social and Recreational Companion (SRC) Program"

they also have links on their resources page, one of which is Independent Living Resources

http://www.awloutdoors.com/resources/index.html

good luck

Vickie


        
        
        
        
   

--- On Fri, 6/5/09, George and Jean Cushing <greenacres2 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: George and Jean Cushing <greenacres2 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] help needed
To: "'Forest Grove local interests list'" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 8:15 AM



We have been contacted by a family in new Hampshire.? ???
Their???son is 24 with bipolar problems,? he fell off his meds and spent 60
days in jail for shoplifting.? He is back on his meds but needs some help.
We are trying to find a place for him to stay,? either here in forest grove
or anywhere in? Portland.? His mom can help to support him but because of
the legal problems he must stay in the Portland area.? He doesn't need much,
just a room , ideally with access to regular food and some direction to his
life.? If you have any ideas, please contact us and we can give you more
information.? Thank you very much. Errands Today was contacted and so we
have helped out some already but we really need some more help.???George and
Jean Cushing,? trying to help.? 

http://www.eset.com

_______________________________________________
GroveNet mailing list
GroveNet at rdrop.com
http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet



      

From jim at benchmarkinspections.com  Fri Jun  5 19:24:01 2009
From: jim at benchmarkinspections.com (Jim Katen)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:24:01 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling
In-Reply-To: <4A299798.70904@jurislex.com>
References: <4A27FF11.9030808@jurislex.com>
	<047DDB87DD664EC39EBB7B42B8505D86@gerianehzkfhvy>
	<000001c9e5f0$87d36660$977a3320$@net>
	<68D941D5856E4129B609C9211E75687E@Office> <4A299798.70904@jurislex.com>
Message-ID: <ACC7632CE1EB4E84AD707823A91B0C79@JimDell>

I'll add another plug for David Hunter. The man knows his trees. 

 

- Jim Katen

 

  _____  

From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Bob Browning
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:09 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling

 

David Hunter - Forestry Works Tree Services

http://www.davidhunterarborist.com/

bob
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Leslie.Neyman wrote: 

We lost the top 30+ feet of a maple tree in the storm yesterday and need an
estimate for help to clear it away. Does anyone have any recommendations?
 
Thank you,
 
Leslie
  

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From jo.david at verizon.net  Fri Jun  5 20:51:35 2009
From: jo.david at verizon.net (David Morelli)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:51:35 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling
In-Reply-To: <ACC7632CE1EB4E84AD707823A91B0C79@JimDell>
References: <4A27FF11.9030808@jurislex.com>
	<047DDB87DD664EC39EBB7B42B8505D86@gerianehzkfhvy>
	<000001c9e5f0$87d36660$977a3320$@net>
	<68D941D5856E4129B609C9211E75687E@Office> <4A299798.70904@jurislex.com>
	<ACC7632CE1EB4E84AD707823A91B0C79@JimDell>
Message-ID: <2C125BB5-241D-4779-A58B-B20B6F9E85F8@verizon.net>

David does our trees.  Including the one that fell on the garage a  
few years back.

David

On Jun 5, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Jim Katen wrote:

> I'll add another plug for David Hunter. The man knows his trees.
>
>
>
> - Jim Katen
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
> bounces at rdrop.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Browning
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:09 PM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling
>
>
>
> David Hunter - Forestry Works Tree Services
>
> http://www.davidhunterarborist.com/
>
> bob
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Leslie.Neyman wrote:
>
> We lost the top 30+ feet of a maple tree in the storm yesterday and  
> need an
> estimate for help to clear it away. Does anyone have any  
> recommendations?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Leslie
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> <image001.jpg>_______________________________________________
> GroveNet mailing list
> GroveNet at rdrop.com
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet


From g-g-steele at comcast.net  Sat Jun  6 06:07:34 2009
From: g-g-steele at comcast.net (Geri)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 06:07:34 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling
References: <4A27FF11.9030808@jurislex.com><047DDB87DD664EC39EBB7B42B8505D86@gerianehzkfhvy><000001c9e5f0$87d36660$977a3320$@net><68D941D5856E4129B609C9211E75687E@Office>
	<4A299798.70904@jurislex.com><ACC7632CE1EB4E84AD707823A91B0C79@JimDell>
	<2C125BB5-241D-4779-A58B-B20B6F9E85F8@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <8E962110AAC64FFE8D8751EE3B3B6068@gerianehzkfhvy>

He's done our trees, too, including some of major size that had attracted a parasite ... and one in an emergency which had fallen towards a fence and headed for the neighbor's yard. I think it was you, David Morelli, who recommended him to me on GroveNet three years ago.

:) Geri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Morelli" <jo.david at verizon.net>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling


> David does our trees.  Including the one that fell on the garage a  
> few years back.
> 
> David
> 
> On Jun 5, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Jim Katen wrote:
> 
>> I'll add another plug for David Hunter. The man knows his trees.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jim Katen
>>
>>
>>
>>   _____
>>
>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
>> bounces at rdrop.com] On
>> Behalf Of Bob Browning
>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:09 PM
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling
>>
>>
>>
>> David Hunter - Forestry Works Tree Services
>>
>> http://www.davidhunterarborist.com/
>>
>> bob
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Leslie.Neyman wrote:
>>
>> We lost the top 30+ feet of a maple tree in the storm yesterday and  
>> need an
>> estimate for help to clear it away. Does anyone have any  
>> recommendations?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Leslie
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> <image001.jpg>_______________________________________________
>> GroveNet mailing list
>> GroveNet at rdrop.com
>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet
> 
> _______________________________________________
> GroveNet mailing list
> GroveNet at rdrop.com
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet
>


From feralcattamer at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  6 10:02:59 2009
From: feralcattamer at yahoo.com (Holly T.)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Toxic Waste Drop Off Day at Waste Management
Message-ID: <139794.85790.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Did y'all know that today's the day to drop off toxic substances at the Waste Management center on B Street between 9 AM and 2 PM? 

I understand they take paint cans partially filled with paint, herbicides, pesticides, and all those nasties you really shouldn't be storing in your house and garage. As I just disposed of my aging mother's things and sold her home following her move to assisted living, I'm planning to haul an entire van load of the stuff I collected at her place to the dump today. How she ever survived as long as she did exposed to all those piles and piles of carcinogens, I'll never understand.

Holly



      

From rab at jurislex.com  Sat Jun  6 12:42:45 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:42:45 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Toxic Waste Drop Off Day at Waste Management
In-Reply-To: <139794.85790.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <139794.85790.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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From Leslie.Neyman at pobox.com  Sat Jun  6 15:25:35 2009
From: Leslie.Neyman at pobox.com (Leslie.Neyman)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 15:25:35 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling
In-Reply-To: <8E962110AAC64FFE8D8751EE3B3B6068@gerianehzkfhvy>
References: <4A27FF11.9030808@jurislex.com><047DDB87DD664EC39EBB7B42B8505D86@gerianehzkfhvy><000001c9e5f0$87d36660$977a3320$@net><68D941D5856E4129B609C9211E75687E@Office>
	<4A299798.70904@jurislex.com><ACC7632CE1EB4E84AD707823A91B0C79@JimDell>
	<2C125BB5-241D-4779-A58B-B20B6F9E85F8@verizon.net>
	<8E962110AAC64FFE8D8751EE3B3B6068@gerianehzkfhvy>
Message-ID: <580312A6E4244A7DB975D0D1DD460337@Office>

Thank you all very much!

Leslie

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Geri
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:08 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling

He's done our trees, too, including some of major size that had attracted a
parasite ... and one in an emergency which had fallen towards a fence and
headed for the neighbor's yard. I think it was you, David Morelli, who
recommended him to me on GroveNet three years ago.

:) Geri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Morelli" <jo.david at verizon.net>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling


> David does our trees.  Including the one that fell on the garage a  
> few years back.
> 
> David
> 
> On Jun 5, 2009, at 7:24 PM, Jim Katen wrote:
> 
>> I'll add another plug for David Hunter. The man knows his trees.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Jim Katen
>>
>>
>>
>>   _____
>>
>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
>> bounces at rdrop.com] On
>> Behalf Of Bob Browning
>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:09 PM
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Tree Debris Removal & Hauling
>>
>>
>>
>> David Hunter - Forestry Works Tree Services
>>
>> http://www.davidhunterarborist.com/
>>
>> bob
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Leslie.Neyman wrote:
>>
>> We lost the top 30+ feet of a maple tree in the storm yesterday and  
>> need an
>> estimate for help to clear it away. Does anyone have any  
>> recommendations?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Leslie
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> <image001.jpg>_______________________________________________
>> GroveNet mailing list
>> GroveNet at rdrop.com
>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet
> 
> _______________________________________________
> GroveNet mailing list
> GroveNet at rdrop.com
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet
>

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From smithsmith at gmail.com  Sun Jun  7 08:58:47 2009
From: smithsmith at gmail.com (b Smith)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 08:58:47 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] micro-CAR meet today!
Message-ID: <7eaadfd10906070858g57d577b7u2a1745fc4cfd59e9@mail.gmail.com>

Stop by the Grand Lodge today and see a wide assortment of teeny tiny cars!

I will be there with my 1957 Isetta!

Hope to see you there.

9am-5pm

Barb

From tosca at prodigy.net  Sun Jun  7 14:03:43 2009
From: tosca at prodigy.net (Bonnie Combs)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 14:03:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Does anybody know?
Message-ID: <453229.41178.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anybody know what went on at the Budget Motel on C Street about?2:15 yesterday afternoon?? 
?
I saw a fire engine, an ambulance. amd a police car. and the police car was there for about an hour.
?
Ol' Curious Bonnie

From isis23ra at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  7 22:59:43 2009
From: isis23ra at yahoo.com (Alana Graham)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
Message-ID: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Please come to the Forest Grove City Auditorium, 1915 Main St on Monday, June 8, 7 PM - 8 PM and give your opinion about late fees for over due books at our library.

Since 1975 4 different surveys and evaluations have determined that our community is better served by not charging late fees.  The library already has a successful system for late fees and any money it might bring in from late fees do NOT go back to the library.  Any money from late fees would go into the city general fund and the library would receive no benefit.  

Even if you think library late fees are a fine idea, please come and give your opinion or just be there to support the library.  Most of our city council members are not patrons of the library and do not understand the importance of a healthy library for a healthy community.  Let the city council and our mayor know that we support what is best for the library and our community.

Thanks

Alana





      

From gritton.family at comcast.net  Mon Jun  8 00:10:14 2009
From: gritton.family at comcast.net (Greg & Cindy Gritton)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:10:14 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
In-Reply-To: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20090608000204.052d16d0@mail.comcast.net>

Alana,

I'll admit to having overdue books from time to time.  While I'd prefer not 
to have to pay a late fee, if one were to be charged, it had better be 
going to support the library and not the city coffers.  That just sounds 
like a way for the city to try and get money for themselves.  I am amazed 
that they would consider charging a late fee (which I thought I'd 
understood the library committee had already urged the council not to 
create one two times now) and not have it benefit the library.  It seems 
like in this time of economic hardship that adding a late fee would only 
make it harder for patrons to come in if they are worried about missing the 
return date and then having to come up with a fee.

Just my two cents worth (LOL),

Cindy Gritton

At 10:59 PM 6/7/2009 -0700, you wrote:

>Please come to the Forest Grove City Auditorium, 1915 Main St on Monday, 
>June 8, 7 PM - 8 PM and give your opinion about late fees for over due 
>books at our library.
>
>Since 1975 4 different surveys and evaluations have determined that our 
>community is better served by not charging late fees.  The library already 
>has a successful system for late fees and any money it might bring in from 
>late fees do NOT go back to the library.  Any money from late fees would 
>go into the city general fund and the library would receive no benefit.
>
>Even if you think library late fees are a fine idea, please come and give 
>your opinion or just be there to support the library.  Most of our city 
>council members are not patrons of the library and do not understand the 
>importance of a healthy library for a healthy community.  Let the city 
>council and our mayor know that we support what is best for the library 
>and our community.
>
>Thanks
>
>Alana
>
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>GroveNet mailing list
>GroveNet at rdrop.com
>http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet
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From jschrag at fgnewstimes.com  Mon Jun  8 07:50:54 2009
From: jschrag at fgnewstimes.com (John Schrag)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 07:50:54 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Bring Terry Richard to town
Message-ID: <003501c9e848$8806dbd0$9702a8c0@pmg.pamplincom.com>

Hey everyone. Here's a chance to promote our city. Oregonian travel writer
Terry Richard is trying to decide whether to visit Forest Grove or St.
Helens on Wednesday. Let's get him here!

 

 

http://blog.oregonlive.com/terryrichard/2009/06/enter_to_win_a_weekend_getaw
ay_3.html

 

John Schrag

Editor & Publisher

News-Times 

 

503-357-3181

 


From fgchamber at groveweb.net  Mon Jun  8 09:05:18 2009
From: fgchamber at groveweb.net (Teri)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:05:18 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
In-Reply-To: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D3B447D830A3439AB5C7FFDCD0B91CA4@Teri>

Good morning to all:

I very seldom comment on grovenet but really felt a need to respond to
Alana's comment "the City Councilors not being patrons of the library and
not understanding the importance of a healthy library".

This type of inflammatory AND incorrect statement is how misunderstandings
and mistrust are created.  Having sat through many council meetings
listening to discussions about the library and also knowing several of the
councilors who personally support, use and do understand the importance of a
healthy library ..I am dismayed to read comments of this type.

I do encourage community members to be involved in public hearings and how
that everyone interested - pro or con ..take the time to attend the meeting
tonight -- but PLEASE refrain from making sweeping inaccurate statements
such as this.

Teri Koerner

p.s.  I do want to clarify that this is a personal statement and not an
opinion from the Chamber Board
 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Alana Graham
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:00 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM


Please come to the Forest Grove City Auditorium, 1915 Main St on Monday,
June 8, 7 PM - 8 PM and give your opinion about late fees for over due books
at our library.

Since 1975 4 different surveys and evaluations have determined that our
community is better served by not charging late fees.  The library already
has a successful system for late fees and any money it might bring in from
late fees do NOT go back to the library.  Any money from late fees would go
into the city general fund and the library would receive no benefit.  

Even if you think library late fees are a fine idea, please come and give
your opinion or just be there to support the library.  Most of our city
council members are not patrons of the library and do not understand the
importance of a healthy library for a healthy community.  Let the city
council and our mayor know that we support what is best for the library and
our community.

Thanks

Alana





      
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From edavie at verizon.net  Mon Jun  8 09:53:23 2009
From: edavie at verizon.net (Ed Davie)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:53:23 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
References: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<D3B447D830A3439AB5C7FFDCD0B91CA4@Teri>
Message-ID: <2021F15B8E774217B6BF2A2123F9C9BF@EDavie>

Really, Teri, it was anything but inflammatory! I 
know nothing of the habits of council members but 
I suspect Alana may be in a better position even 
than you, to know whether they are patrons or not.
Ed Davie

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Teri
  To: 'Forest Grove local interests list'
  Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City 
Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM


  Good morning to all:

  I very seldom comment on grovenet but really 
felt a need to respond to
  Alana's comment "the City Councilors not being 
patrons of the library and
  not understanding the importance of a healthy 
library".

  This type of inflammatory AND incorrect 
statement is how misunderstandings
  and mistrust are created.  Having sat through 
many council meetings
  listening to discussions about the library and 
also knowing several of the
  councilors who personally support, use and do 
understand the importance of a
  healthy library ..I am dismayed to read comments 
of this type.

  I do encourage community members to be involved 
in public hearings and how
  that everyone interested - pro or con ..take the 
time to attend the meeting
  tonight -- but PLEASE refrain from making 
sweeping inaccurate statements
  such as this.

  Teri Koerner

  p.s.  I do want to clarify that this is a 
personal statement and not an
  opinion from the Chamber Board




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  -----Original Message-----
  From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com 
[mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
  Behalf Of Alana Graham
  Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:00 PM
  To: Forest Grove local interests list
  Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City 
Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM


  Please come to the Forest Grove City Auditorium, 
1915 Main St on Monday,
  June 8, 7 PM - 8 PM and give your opinion about 
late fees for over due books
  at our library.

  Since 1975 4 different surveys and evaluations 
have determined that our
  community is better served by not charging late 
fees.  The library already
  has a successful system for late fees and any 
money it might bring in from
  late fees do NOT go back to the library.  Any 
money from late fees would go
  into the city general fund and the library would 
receive no benefit.

  Even if you think library late fees are a fine 
idea, please come and give
  your opinion or just be there to support the 
library.  Most of our city
  council members are not patrons of the library 
and do not understand the
  importance of a healthy library for a healthy 
community.  Let the city
  council and our mayor know that we support what 
is best for the library and
  our community.

  Thanks

  Alana






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From isis23ra at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  8 10:36:42 2009
From: isis23ra at yahoo.com (Alana Graham)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
Message-ID: <453118.78834.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Dear Teri, and the Chamber and Council and anyone else offended,

My apologies for stepping on toes with my remarks.  I have lived here for 20 years and been an very active volunteer at the library for 15 years so my remarks are a matter of my own personal experience and observation.

I am hoping I am wrong and that my observations are incorrect.  I did not mean to make inflammatory, sweeping statements.  My wording was not good.  I know everyone in city government appreciates the library but maybe some are just not as passionate about it as I wish!

Hope to see people at the meeting tonight!  Maybe this generated some interest!

Happy Monday.

Alana



--- On Mon, 6/8/09, Teri <fgchamber at groveweb.net> wrote:

> From: Teri <fgchamber at groveweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
> To: "'Forest Grove local interests list'" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 9:05 AM
> Good morning to all:
> 
> I very seldom comment on grovenet but really felt a need to
> respond to
> Alana's comment "the City Councilors not being patrons of
> the library and
> not understanding the importance of a healthy library".
> 
> This type of inflammatory AND incorrect statement is how
> misunderstandings
> and mistrust are created.? Having sat through many
> council meetings
> listening to discussions about the library and also knowing
> several of the
> councilors who personally support, use and do understand
> the importance of a
> healthy library ..I am dismayed to read comments of this
> type.
> 
> I do encourage community members to be involved in public
> hearings and how
> that everyone interested - pro or con ..take the time to
> attend the meeting
> tonight -- but PLEASE refrain from making sweeping
> inaccurate statements
> such as this.
> 
> Teri Koerner
> 
> p.s.? I do want to clarify that this is a personal
> statement and not an
> opinion from the Chamber Board
>  
> 
>  
> 
> IMPORTANT NOTICE:? This message is intended only for
> the addresses and may
> contain confidential, privileged information.? If you
> are not the intended
> recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose any
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> sender by reply email and delete the message.
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> necessary.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com
> [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Alana Graham
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:00 PM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg
> Mon. 7 PM
> 
> 
> Please come to the Forest Grove City Auditorium, 1915 Main
> St on Monday,
> June 8, 7 PM - 8 PM and give your opinion about late fees
> for over due books
> at our library.
> 
> Since 1975 4 different surveys and evaluations have
> determined that our
> community is better served by not charging late fees.?
> The library already
> has a successful system for late fees and any money it
> might bring in from
> late fees do NOT go back to the library.? Any money
> from late fees would go
> into the city general fund and the library would receive no
> benefit.? 
> 
> Even if you think library late fees are a fine idea, please
> come and give
> your opinion or just be there to support the library.?
> Most of our city
> council members are not patrons of the library and do not
> understand the
> importance of a healthy library for a healthy
> community.? Let the city
> council and our mayor know that we support what is best for
> the library and
> our community.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Alana
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From fgchamber at groveweb.net  Mon Jun  8 10:44:19 2009
From: fgchamber at groveweb.net (Teri)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:44:19 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
In-Reply-To: <453118.78834.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <453118.78834.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CDF19E1C02E046BE8EB0CD24DDC692DB@Teri>

Thanks Alana.  I appreciate your passion and commitment to the Library and
the Community.

See you tonight.

Teri



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-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Alana Graham
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 10:37 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM


Dear Teri, and the Chamber and Council and anyone else offended,

My apologies for stepping on toes with my remarks.  I have lived here for 20
years and been an very active volunteer at the library for 15 years so my
remarks are a matter of my own personal experience and observation.

I am hoping I am wrong and that my observations are incorrect.  I did not
mean to make inflammatory, sweeping statements.  My wording was not good.  I
know everyone in city government appreciates the library but maybe some are
just not as passionate about it as I wish!

Hope to see people at the meeting tonight!  Maybe this generated some
interest!

Happy Monday.

Alana



--- On Mon, 6/8/09, Teri <fgchamber at groveweb.net> wrote:

> From: Teri <fgchamber at groveweb.net>
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
> To: "'Forest Grove local interests list'" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 9:05 AM
> Good morning to all:
> 
> I very seldom comment on grovenet but really felt a need to
> respond to
> Alana's comment "the City Councilors not being patrons of
> the library and
> not understanding the importance of a healthy library".
> 
> This type of inflammatory AND incorrect statement is how
> misunderstandings
> and mistrust are created.? Having sat through many
> council meetings
> listening to discussions about the library and also knowing
> several of the
> councilors who personally support, use and do understand
> the importance of a
> healthy library ..I am dismayed to read comments of this
> type.
> 
> I do encourage community members to be involved in public
> hearings and how
> that everyone interested - pro or con ..take the time to
> attend the meeting
> tonight -- but PLEASE refrain from making sweeping
> inaccurate statements
> such as this.
> 
> Teri Koerner
> 
> p.s.? I do want to clarify that this is a personal
> statement and not an
> opinion from the Chamber Board
>  
> 
>  
> 
> IMPORTANT NOTICE:? This message is intended only for
> the addresses and may
> contain confidential, privileged information.? If you
> are not the intended
> recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose any
> information contained in
> the message.? If you have received this message in
> error, please notify the
> sender by reply email and delete the message.
> 
>  
> 
> Please conserve paper; print this e-mail only if
> necessary.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com
> [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Alana Graham
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:00 PM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg
> Mon. 7 PM
> 
> 
> Please come to the Forest Grove City Auditorium, 1915 Main
> St on Monday,
> June 8, 7 PM - 8 PM and give your opinion about late fees
> for over due books
> at our library.
> 
> Since 1975 4 different surveys and evaluations have
> determined that our
> community is better served by not charging late fees.?
> The library already
> has a successful system for late fees and any money it
> might bring in from
> late fees do NOT go back to the library.? Any money
> from late fees would go
> into the city general fund and the library would receive no
> benefit.? 
> 
> Even if you think library late fees are a fine idea, please
> come and give
> your opinion or just be there to support the library.?
> Most of our city
> council members are not patrons of the library and do not
> understand the
> importance of a healthy library for a healthy
> community.? Let the city
> council and our mayor know that we support what is best for
> the library and
> our community.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Alana
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  8 10:58:48 2009
From: osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com (Allen Warren)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:58:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
In-Reply-To: <D3B447D830A3439AB5C7FFDCD0B91CA4@Teri>
References: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<D3B447D830A3439AB5C7FFDCD0B91CA4@Teri>
Message-ID: <537923.71213.qm@web35206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Teri,

Even though you seldom comment on grovenet, no doubt you've seen many of Alana's postings in the past.? And one thing I have to say about Alana is she's?consistently positive and informative in?her postings.??Of her?past postings, my recollection is they're always giving information of an upcoming event, with most events?being tied to the library in some form.? Having said this, I can understand how?the one sentence in her post of "Most of our city
council members are not patrons of the library and do not understand the importance of a healthy library for a healthy community" can be interpreted as potentially, repeat potentially, inflammatory and incorrect.? And I have every belief?based on Alana's past postings that Alana?did not mean to be inflammatory.? Inflammatory and/or incorrect are words I would not associate w/Alana.? Again, my personal opinion based on her past Grovenet postings.

Regarding?the potential?city proposal to charge library late fees,?can you please?provide text from the proposal that details?where late fees monies would be applied?? It's important we all understand what the city proposes for these late fees.

If the city proposes late fees to be?funneled back into the library system to pay for purchasing additional books and/or?helping to pay for library staff and/or pay for upkeep of the library, etc. . . . in short if the fees will be 100% applied directly to library costs,?people might?consider this as a valid proposal.

If, on the other?hand,?late fees would be funneled to other city services with little/no monies going back to the library,?people might consider this to be a mis-directed cost and not necessarily a valid proposal.

It's important to know the text in the proposal as it could potentially supress the flames of?outrage.
?
Allen Warren


________________________________
From: Teri <fgchamber at groveweb.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 9:05:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM

Good morning to all:

I very seldom comment on grovenet but really felt a need to respond to
Alana's comment "the City Councilors not being patrons of the library and
not understanding the importance of a healthy library".

This type of inflammatory AND incorrect statement is how misunderstandings
and mistrust are created.? Having sat through many council meetings
listening to discussions about the library and also knowing several of the
councilors who personally support, use and do understand the importance of a
healthy library ..I am dismayed to read comments of this type.

I do encourage community members to be involved in public hearings and how
that everyone interested - pro or con ..take the time to attend the meeting
tonight -- but PLEASE refrain from making sweeping inaccurate statements
such as this.

Teri Koerner

p.s.? I do want to clarify that this is a personal statement and not an
opinion from the Chamber Board




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-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Alana Graham
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 11:00 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM


Please come to the Forest Grove City Auditorium, 1915 Main St on Monday,
June 8, 7 PM - 8 PM and give your opinion about late fees for over due books
at our library.

Since 1975 4 different surveys and evaluations have determined that our
community is better served by not charging late fees.? The library already
has a successful system for late fees and any money it might bring in from
late fees do NOT go back to the library.? Any money from late fees would go
into the city general fund and the library would receive no benefit.? 

Even if you think library late fees are a fine idea, please come and give
your opinion or just be there to support the library.? Most of our city
council members are not patrons of the library and do not understand the
importance of a healthy library for a healthy community.? Let the city
council and our mayor know that we support what is best for the library and
our community.

Thanks

Alana





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From rab at jurislex.com  Mon Jun  8 12:04:57 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:04:57 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Bring Terry Richard to town
In-Reply-To: <003501c9e848$8806dbd0$9702a8c0@pmg.pamplincom.com>
References: <003501c9e848$8806dbd0$9702a8c0@pmg.pamplincom.com>
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From gritton.family at comcast.net  Mon Jun  8 12:19:57 2009
From: gritton.family at comcast.net (gritton.family at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:19:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Grovenet] Bring Terry Richard to town
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I had the same problem until I saw that part of the link didn't end up "blue". Try 
http://blog.oregonlive.com/terryrichard/2009/06/enter_to_win_a_weekend_getaway_3.html 
or else just cut and paste from John's original post. 

Also, if you haven't registered yet for Oregonlive, you have to first register, then click post a comment, and then post. (Yes, I just fought with it for the last ten minutes so I could post a comment.) 

Hope this helps. 

Cindy Gritton 


(Though you may have to cut and paste, though I don't know why it didn't copy correctly 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Browning" <rab at jurislex.com> 
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 12:04:57 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Bring Terry Richard to town 

John, the link did not work for me. 

bob 
+++++++++++++++++++++ 
John Schrag wrote: 

Hey everyone. Here's a chance to promote our city. Oregonian travel writer
Terry Richard is trying to decide whether to visit Forest Grove or St.
Helens on Wednesday. Let's get him here! http://blog.oregonlive.com/terryrichard/2009/06/enter_to_win_a_weekend_getaway_3.html John Schrag

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From edavie at verizon.net  Mon Jun  8 12:13:16 2009
From: edavie at verizon.net (Ed Davie)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:13:16 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Bring Terry Richard to town
References: <003501c9e848$8806dbd0$9702a8c0@pmg.pamplincom.com>
	<4A2D60D9.4020005@jurislex.com>
Message-ID: <470EAFE53CCE4B9BA19F3406811A5077@EDavie>

By some strange miracle it worked for me!
Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Browning
  To: Forest Grove local interests list
  Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Bring Terry Richard to 
town


  John, the link did not work for me.

  bob
  +++++++++++++++++++++
  John Schrag wrote:
Hey everyone. Here's a chance to promote our city. 
Oregonian travel writer
Terry Richard is trying to decide whether to visit 
Forest Grove or St.
Helens on Wednesday. Let's get him here!

http://blog.oregonlive.com/terryrichard/2009/06/enter_to_win_a_weekend_getaway_3.html

 John Schrag

Editor & Publisher

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From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Mon Jun  8 14:37:49 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:37:49 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Bring Terry Richard to town
In-Reply-To: "Ed Davie" <edavie@verizon.net>'s message of Mon,
	08 Jun 2009 12:13:16 -0700
Message-ID: <9948-4A2D84AD-2267@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

it also worked for my webtv unit...

What are you going to do for this guy to make it worth his time to get
to FG?  
Oh ... I guess you could always tell him about this ...
http://www.rutastudies.org/


From rab at jurislex.com  Tue Jun  9 09:46:12 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
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From g-g-steele at comcast.net  Tue Jun  9 11:45:32 2009
From: g-g-steele at comcast.net (Geri)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:45:32 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
References: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com><D3B447D830A3439AB5C7FFDCD0B91CA4@Teri>
	<537923.71213.qm@web35206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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How did the meeting go (anyone who was able to attend)?


Geri

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From rab at jurislex.com  Tue Jun  9 12:22:30 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:22:30 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
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From khourym at verizon.net  Tue Jun  9 13:17:27 2009
From: khourym at verizon.net (Martha Khoury)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:17:27 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
In-Reply-To: <4A2EB676.60103@jurislex.com>
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I had to leave "early" (8:30) as my kids needed to get home. The  
chicken amendment seemed to be going well when I left, but the library  
item had not come up yet. I'll have to defer to someone who was there  
longer than I could be. --Martha K.


On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Bob Browning wrote:

> Martha?? I'll let you go first so I don't say what I really think!!
>
> bob "cluck, cluck" browning
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Geri wrote:
>>
>> How did the meeting go (anyone who was able to attend)?
>>
>>
>> Geri
> -----------------------------------------------------
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From rab at jurislex.com  Tue Jun  9 14:54:18 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:54:18 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
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References: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com><D3B447D830A3439AB5C7FFDCD0B91CA4@Teri>	<537923.71213.qm@web35206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<287C3C97351D4D719BCC6B5636D8F87D@gerianehzkfhvy>	<4A2EB676.60103@jurislex.com>
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From Leslie.Neyman at pobox.com  Tue Jun  9 17:04:04 2009
From: Leslie.Neyman at pobox.com (Leslie.Neyman)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:04:04 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
In-Reply-To: <97D2748B-79C7-428B-ACD4-0344F8F1B14A@verizon.net>
References: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com><D3B447D830A3439AB5C7FFDCD0B91CA4@Teri>
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According to the librarian who checked out our books today, the library
fines will go into effect July 1st. All funds collected will go into the
general fund and it is unknown how much if any will go to the library.

Leslie

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On
Behalf Of Martha Khoury
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:17 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM

I had to leave "early" (8:30) as my kids needed to get home. The  
chicken amendment seemed to be going well when I left, but the library  
item had not come up yet. I'll have to defer to someone who was there  
longer than I could be. --Martha K.


On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Bob Browning wrote:

> Martha?? I'll let you go first so I don't say what I really think!!
>
> bob "cluck, cluck" browning
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Geri wrote:
>>
>> How did the meeting go (anyone who was able to attend)?
>>
>>
>> Geri
> -----------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> GroveNet mailing list
> GroveNet at rdrop.com
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet

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From edavie at verizon.net  Tue Jun  9 20:49:36 2009
From: edavie at verizon.net (Ed Davie)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:49:36 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Library Fees
Message-ID: <198A956F88364EECBE1836566491991D@EDavie>

Karen Shepard, president of the city's library 
commission, remarked that the current policy 
"promotes irresponsible behavior".

I think we have had a very convincing example of 
that in the actions of the Mayor and City Council 
members!

If fees are necessary, and I'm not convinced they 
are, they should be used by the Library for its 
needs. They'll be lost in the general fund and 
never seen again!

Ed Davie 

From hannah at teleport.com  Tue Jun  9 21:43:03 2009
From: hannah at teleport.com (Kristy Gravlin)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:43:03 -0500
Subject: [Grovenet] A QUESTION...
Message-ID: <C654A407.D483%hannah@teleport.com>

HOW MUCH do you suppose we are talking for a year?s worth of library fines?

Enough to make all this commotion?

(I?m on the side of funds going where they are earned too.)

Kristy

From jo.david at verizon.net  Tue Jun  9 22:08:03 2009
From: jo.david at verizon.net (David Morelli)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:08:03 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
In-Reply-To: <4A2EDA0A.8060407@jurislex.com>
References: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com><D3B447D830A3439AB5C7FFDCD0B91CA4@Teri>
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	<4A2EDA0A.8060407@jurislex.com>
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The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two  
public readings before the vote.  The first reading was Monday and  
the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council  
meeting.  Because there was a change to the area impacted by the  
proposed permit process that was not in the originally published  
announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single  
item.  People may provide written comment on the expansion of the  
area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the  
Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.  There may also  
be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the  
legislation.

David

On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:

> Anybody else with respect to the chickens?? David?? I too left  
> before the library late charges came up.
>
> b
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Martha Khoury wrote:
>>
>> I had to leave "early" (8:30) as my kids needed to get home. The
>> chicken amendment seemed to be going well when I left, but the  
>> library
>> item had not come up yet. I'll have to defer to someone who was there
>> longer than I could be. --Martha K.
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>> Martha?? I'll let you go first so I don't say what I really think!!
>>
>> bob "cluck, cluck" browning
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Geri wrote:
>>
>>>> How did the meeting go (anyone who was able to attend)?
>>>>
>>>> Geri
> _______________________________________________
> GroveNet mailing list
> GroveNet at rdrop.com
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet


From NoSpam03 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 10 06:22:02 2009
From: NoSpam03 at comcast.net (Steven)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:22:02 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM
In-Reply-To: <4A2EB676.60103@jurislex.com>
Message-ID: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNIEJBMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>

What is this about chickens?
This affects me. What is the lowdown.

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
Behalf Of Bob Browning
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:23 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Pro or Con come to City Council Mtg Mon. 7 PM

Martha?? I'll let you go first so I don't say what I really think!!

bob "cluck, cluck" browning
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Geri wrote:
How did the meeting go (anyone who was able to attend)?


Geri
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From khourym at verizon.net  Wed Jun 10 08:21:57 2009
From: khourym at verizon.net (Martha Khoury)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:21:57 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
In-Reply-To: <C923FA31-2C13-4B18-82C6-5E4E0FE49554@verizon.net>
References: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com><D3B447D830A3439AB5C7FFDCD0B91CA4@Teri>
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	<4A2EB676.60103@jurislex.com>
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	<4A2EDA0A.8060407@jurislex.com>
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Message-ID: <84E258B1-AB22-4F59-AF88-A3917523E93E@verizon.net>

WHAT??!!

Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?

Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"

Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea  
already and REJECTED it?

I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that  
I missed all the important stuff.
And the mayor talks way too much.

--Martha K.



On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:

> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
> public readings before the vote.  The first reading was Monday and
> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
> meeting.  Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
> item.  People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.  There may also
> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
> legislation.
>
> David
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>
>>

From rab at jurislex.com  Wed Jun 10 10:12:01 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:12:01 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
In-Reply-To: <84E258B1-AB22-4F59-AF88-A3917523E93E@verizon.net>
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From osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 10 10:39:06 2009
From: osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com (Allen Warren)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:39:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
In-Reply-To: <84E258B1-AB22-4F59-AF88-A3917523E93E@verizon.net>
References: <822133.19348.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com><D3B447D830A3439AB5C7FFDCD0B91CA4@Teri>
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It's?interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential Permit, especially since there are?already homeowners?within city limits raising chickens today.? But since?most of these homeowners don't have roosters,?neighbors don't readily?notice chickens in the vicinity.

All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is?there is some percentage of pet owners who never?license their pets, and this becomes a problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or?captured as a result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a nuisance.? With chickens, there's really no incentive?for a homeowner to obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply forgo?the cost of obtaining a permit.??Plus with chickens, homeowners realize they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted more so to do with preventing?the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the chickens.

I truly don't understand the logic of?Residential Permits for chickens, other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.? But maybe the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the city coffers.? And no, we don't own?any chickens.? :-)

Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting?to find out details.

Question: who manages Council meetings?? Sets & publishes the agendas?? Publishes minutes?
?
Allen Warren


________________________________
From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment

WHAT??!!

Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?

Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"

Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea? 
already and REJECTED it?

I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that? 
I missed all the important stuff.
And the mayor talks way too much.

--Martha K.



On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:

> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
> public readings before the vote.? The first reading was Monday and
> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
> meeting.? Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
> item.? People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.? There may also
> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
> legislation.
>
> David
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>
>>
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From khourym at verizon.net  Wed Jun 10 16:32:57 2009
From: khourym at verizon.net (Martha Khoury)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:32:57 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] trumpet teachers
Message-ID: <06952F2D-7AB4-41A8-9D86-2C1E9277E0B4@verizon.net>

Anyone have a personal recommendation for summer trumpet lessons?

From obrzl at verizon.net  Wed Jun 10 22:56:29 2009
From: obrzl at verizon.net (mark oberzil)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:56:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
Message-ID: <511694.44653.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
?
Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
?
Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes the government with its hand out?
?
Mark

?
?
--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM


It's?interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential Permit, especially since there are?already homeowners?within city limits raising chickens today.? But since?most of these homeowners don't have roosters,?neighbors don't readily?notice chickens in the vicinity.

All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is?there is some percentage of pet owners who never?license their pets, and this becomes a problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or?captured as a result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a nuisance.? With chickens, there's really no incentive?for a homeowner to obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply forgo?the cost of obtaining a permit.??Plus with chickens, homeowners realize they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted more so to do with preventing?the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the chickens.

I truly don't understand the logic of?Residential Permits for chickens, other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.? But maybe the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the city coffers.? And no, we don't own?any chickens.? :-)

Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting?to find out details.

Question: who manages Council meetings?? Sets & publishes the agendas?? Publishes minutes?
?
Allen Warren


________________________________
From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment

WHAT??!!

Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?

Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"

Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea? 
already and REJECTED it?

I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that? 
I missed all the important stuff.
And the mayor talks way too much.

--Martha K.



On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:

> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
> public readings before the vote.? The first reading was Monday and
> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
> meeting.? Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
> item.? People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.? There may also
> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
> legislation.
>
> David
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>
>>
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From NoSpam03 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 10 23:10:41 2009
From: NoSpam03 at comcast.net (Steven)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:10:41 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
In-Reply-To: <511694.44653.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNGEJFMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>

The tyrant in the grove.

Best description since the time he tried to tax the property of businesses
except his own.

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
Behalf Of mark oberzil
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?

Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):

Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.

Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes the
government with its hand out?

Mark



--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM


It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential
Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city limits
raising chickens today.  But since most of these homeowners don't have
roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.

All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some
percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this becomes a
problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured as a
result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a
nuisance.  With chickens, there's really no incentive for a homeowner to
obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are
unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply
forgo the cost of obtaining a permit.  Plus with chickens, homeowners
realize they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted
more so to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and
eating the chickens.

I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for chickens,
other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.  But maybe
the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the
city coffers.  And no, we don't own any chickens.  :-)

Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.

Question: who manages Council meetings?  Sets & publishes the agendas?
Publishes minutes?

Allen Warren


________________________________
From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment

WHAT??!!

Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?

Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"

Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
already and REJECTED it?

I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that
I missed all the important stuff.
And the mayor talks way too much.

--Martha K.



On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:

> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
> public readings before the vote.  The first reading was Monday and
> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
> meeting.  Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
> item.  People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.  There may also
> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
> legislation.
>
> David
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>
>>
_______________________________________________
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From feralcattamer at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 10 23:13:11 2009
From: feralcattamer at yahoo.com (Holly T.)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:13:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
In-Reply-To: <511694.44653.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <511694.44653.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <572578.5970.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Yep, that's a pretty astute summary of what's been goin' down lately in The Grove, Mark.

I'd love to see the flag come down and replaced by another of equal size that has a great, big chicken appliqued on it. One that holds a sign that reads, "Cluck permits and license fees!"

Holly




________________________________
From: mark oberzil <obrzl at verizon.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56:29 PM
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?

Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
 
Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
 
Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes the government with its hand out?
 
Mark

 
 
--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM


It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city limits raising chickens today.  But since most of these homeowners don't have roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.

All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this becomes a problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured as a result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a nuisance.  With chickens, there's really no incentive for a homeowner to obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply forgo the cost of obtaining a permit.  Plus with chickens, homeowners realize they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted more so to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the chickens.

I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for chickens, other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.  But maybe the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the city coffers.  And no, we don't own any chickens.  :-)

Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.

Question: who manages Council meetings?  Sets & publishes the agendas?  Publishes minutes?
 
Allen Warren


________________________________
From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment

WHAT??!!

Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?

Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"

Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea  
already and REJECTED it?

I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that  
I missed all the important stuff.
And the mayor talks way too much.

--Martha K.



On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:

> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
> public readings before the vote.  The first reading was Monday and
> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
> meeting.  Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
> item.  People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.  There may also
> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
> legislation.
>
> David
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>
>>
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From stevedj at teleport.com  Thu Jun 11 00:03:49 2009
From: stevedj at teleport.com (Steve Jerrett)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:03:49 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
References: <511694.44653.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<572578.5970.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <756707BAE9614D30885623D68CB8EF61@Maincomputer>

At the risk of egging this discussion on, maybe instead of housing chickens 
at individual  residences,  a system of neighborhood  coops could be placed 
throughout the community, along the lines of a community garden. Small plots 
could be strategically located in several areas around the city containing 
small individual coops that would be assigned to families. These clucker 
clusters could be located in areas that would have minimal noise and odor 
impact while still being conveniently located close to neighborhoods.

I'm not yoking or trying to  ruffle anyone's feathers here.  Communal 
chicken coops would be a wonderful means of offsetting the deleterious 
effects of the giant flag and all of it's negative connotations. Anyone 
embarrassed of the impression that outsiders may acquire from the flag's 
presence can point out the communal coops as a progressive community 
attribute.

Steve "thank God I'm a country boy" Jerrett

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly T." <feralcattamer at yahoo.com>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?


> Yep, that's a pretty astute summary of what's been goin' down lately in 
> The Grove, Mark.
>
> I'd love to see the flag come down and replaced by another of equal size 
> that has a great, big chicken appliqued on it. One that holds a sign that 
> reads, "Cluck permits and license fees!"
>
> Holly
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mark oberzil <obrzl at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56:29 PM
> Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
>
> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
>
> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
>
> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes the 
> government with its hand out?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
>
>
> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential 
> Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city limits 
> raising chickens today.  But since most of these homeowners don't have 
> roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.
>
> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some 
> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this becomes a 
> problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured as a 
> result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a 
> nuisance.  With chickens, there's really no incentive for a homeowner to 
> obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are 
> unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply forgo 
> the cost of obtaining a permit.  Plus with chickens, homeowners realize 
> they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted more so 
> to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the 
> chickens.
>
> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for chickens, 
> other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.  But maybe 
> the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the 
> city coffers.  And no, we don't own any chickens.  :-)
>
> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
>
> Question: who manages Council meetings?  Sets & publishes the agendas? 
> Publishes minutes?
>
> Allen Warren
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>
> WHAT??!!
>
> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
>
> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
>
> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
> already and REJECTED it?
>
> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that
> I missed all the important stuff.
> And the mayor talks way too much.
>
> --Martha K.
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
>
>> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
>> public readings before the vote.  The first reading was Monday and
>> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
>> meeting.  Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
>> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
>> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
>> item.  People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
>> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
>> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.  There may also
>> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
>> legislation.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>
>>>
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From NoSpam03 at comcast.net  Thu Jun 11 00:17:27 2009
From: NoSpam03 at comcast.net (Steven)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:17:27 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
In-Reply-To: <756707BAE9614D30885623D68CB8EF61@Maincomputer>
Message-ID: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNCEJGMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>

How about the community coop being at the flag triangle.
This would put everything for the birds in one location.

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
Behalf Of Steve Jerrett
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:04 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?

At the risk of egging this discussion on, maybe instead of housing chickens
at individual  residences,  a system of neighborhood  coops could be placed
throughout the community, along the lines of a community garden. Small plots
could be strategically located in several areas around the city containing
small individual coops that would be assigned to families. These clucker
clusters could be located in areas that would have minimal noise and odor
impact while still being conveniently located close to neighborhoods.

I'm not yoking or trying to  ruffle anyone's feathers here.  Communal
chicken coops would be a wonderful means of offsetting the deleterious
effects of the giant flag and all of it's negative connotations. Anyone
embarrassed of the impression that outsiders may acquire from the flag's
presence can point out the communal coops as a progressive community
attribute.

Steve "thank God I'm a country boy" Jerrett

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holly T." <feralcattamer at yahoo.com>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?


> Yep, that's a pretty astute summary of what's been goin' down lately in
> The Grove, Mark.
>
> I'd love to see the flag come down and replaced by another of equal size
> that has a great, big chicken appliqued on it. One that holds a sign that
> reads, "Cluck permits and license fees!"
>
> Holly
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mark oberzil <obrzl at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56:29 PM
> Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
>
> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
>
> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
>
> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes the
> government with its hand out?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
>
>
> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential
> Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city limits
> raising chickens today.  But since most of these homeowners don't have
> roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.
>
> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some
> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this becomes a
> problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured as a
> result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a
> nuisance.  With chickens, there's really no incentive for a homeowner to
> obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are
> unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply forgo
> the cost of obtaining a permit.  Plus with chickens, homeowners realize
> they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted more so
> to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the
> chickens.
>
> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for chickens,
> other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.  But maybe
> the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the
> city coffers.  And no, we don't own any chickens.  :-)
>
> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
>
> Question: who manages Council meetings?  Sets & publishes the agendas?
> Publishes minutes?
>
> Allen Warren
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>
> WHAT??!!
>
> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
>
> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
>
> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
> already and REJECTED it?
>
> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that
> I missed all the important stuff.
> And the mayor talks way too much.
>
> --Martha K.
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
>
>> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
>> public readings before the vote.  The first reading was Monday and
>> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
>> meeting.  Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
>> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
>> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
>> item.  People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
>> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
>> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.  There may also
>> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
>> legislation.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>
>>>
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From allnutt at verizon.net  Thu Jun 11 08:25:57 2009
From: allnutt at verizon.net (Katie Allnutt)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:25:57 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
In-Reply-To: <511694.44653.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <511694.44653.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E421F031-594D-4821-B35E-3AB138A172CE@verizon.net>

Isn't it because the city itself (parks dept) put up the city owned  
(donated to the city) flag?

Does the city require itself to get permits?  I'm not

On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:56 PM, mark oberzil wrote:

> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
>
> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
>
> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes  
> the government with its hand out?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
>
>
> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a  
> Residential Permit, especially since there are already homeowners  
> within city limits raising chickens today.  But since most of these  
> homeowners don't have roosters, neighbors don't readily notice  
> chickens in the vicinity.
>
> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some  
> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this  
> becomes a problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or  
> captured as a result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the  
> pet being a nuisance.  With chickens, there's really no incentive  
> for a homeowner to obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if  
> the chickens are unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some  
> homeowners who simply forgo the cost of obtaining a permit.  Plus  
> with chickens, homeowners realize they need to do everything  
> possible to keep them caged/restricted more so to do with  
> preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the  
> chickens.
>
> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for  
> chickens, other than the City would then know who has/has not  
> chickens.  But maybe the only logic is to get additional monies,  
> however small they be, for the city coffers.  And no, we don't own  
> any chickens.  :-)
>
> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
>
> Question: who manages Council meetings?  Sets & publishes the  
> agendas?  Publishes minutes?
>
> Allen Warren
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>
> WHAT??!!
>
> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
>
> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
>
> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
> already and REJECTED it?
>
> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that
> I missed all the important stuff.
> And the mayor talks way too much.
>
> --Martha K.
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
>
>> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
>> public readings before the vote.  The first reading was Monday and
>> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
>> meeting.  Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
>> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
>> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
>> item.  People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
>> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
>> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.  There may also
>> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
>> legislation.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>
>>>
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From allnutt at verizon.net  Thu Jun 11 08:28:25 2009
From: allnutt at verizon.net (Katie Allnutt)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:28:25 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
In-Reply-To: <511694.44653.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <511694.44653.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <69787DA1-6393-4D39-96C6-93C04CB5C726@verizon.net>

Isn't it because the city itself (parks dept) put up the city owned  
(donated to the city) flag?

Does the city require itself to get permits?  I'm not going to be  
amazed if they don't.

Katie


On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:56 PM, mark oberzil wrote:

> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
>
> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
>
> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes  
> the government with its hand out?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
>
>
> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a  
> Residential Permit, especially since there are already homeowners  
> within city limits raising chickens today.  But since most of these  
> homeowners don't have roosters, neighbors don't readily notice  
> chickens in the vicinity.
>
> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some  
> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this  
> becomes a problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or  
> captured as a result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the  
> pet being a nuisance.  With chickens, there's really no incentive  
> for a homeowner to obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if  
> the chickens are unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some  
> homeowners who simply forgo the cost of obtaining a permit.  Plus  
> with chickens, homeowners realize they need to do everything  
> possible to keep them caged/restricted more so to do with  
> preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the  
> chickens.
>
> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for  
> chickens, other than the City would then know who has/has not  
> chickens.  But maybe the only logic is to get additional monies,  
> however small they be, for the city coffers.  And no, we don't own  
> any chickens.  :-)
>
> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
>
> Question: who manages Council meetings?  Sets & publishes the  
> agendas?  Publishes minutes?
>
> Allen Warren
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>
> WHAT??!!
>
> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
>
> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
>
> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
> already and REJECTED it?
>
> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that
> I missed all the important stuff.
> And the mayor talks way too much.
>
> --Martha K.
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
>
>> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
>> public readings before the vote.  The first reading was Monday and
>> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
>> meeting.  Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
>> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
>> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
>> item.  People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
>> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
>> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.  There may also
>> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
>> legislation.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>
>>>
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From khourym at verizon.net  Thu Jun 11 08:14:04 2009
From: khourym at verizon.net (Martha Khoury)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:14:04 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
In-Reply-To: <756707BAE9614D30885623D68CB8EF61@Maincomputer>
References: <511694.44653.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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	<756707BAE9614D30885623D68CB8EF61@Maincomputer>
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I read an Oregonian article about just such a thing in SE Portland.  
Frankly, I want to keep mine to myself. The area in the article seemed  
to be much higher density. --MK


On Jun 11, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Steve Jerrett wrote:

> At the risk of egging this discussion on, maybe instead of housing  
> chickens
> at individual  residences,  a system of neighborhood  coops could be  
> placed
> throughout the community, along the lines of a community garden.  
> Small plots
> could be strategically located in several areas around the city  
> containing
> small individual coops that would be assigned to families. These  
> clucker
> clusters could be located in areas that would have minimal noise and  
> odor
> impact while still being conveniently located close to neighborhoods.
>
> I'm not yoking or trying to  ruffle anyone's feathers here.  Communal
> chicken coops would be a wonderful means of offsetting the deleterious
> effects of the giant flag and all of it's negative connotations.  
> Anyone
> embarrassed of the impression that outsiders may acquire from the  
> flag's
> presence can point out the communal coops as a progressive community
> attribute.
>
> Steve "thank God I'm a country boy" Jerrett
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Holly T." <feralcattamer at yahoo.com>
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
>
>
>> Yep, that's a pretty astute summary of what's been goin' down  
>> lately in
>> The Grove, Mark.
>>
>> I'd love to see the flag come down and replaced by another of equal  
>> size
>> that has a great, big chicken appliqued on it. One that holds a  
>> sign that
>> reads, "Cluck permits and license fees!"
>>
>> Holly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: mark oberzil <obrzl at verizon.net>
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56:29 PM
>> Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
>>
>> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
>>
>> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
>>
>> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes  
>> the
>> government with its hand out?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
>>
>>
>> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a  
>> Residential
>> Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city  
>> limits
>> raising chickens today.  But since most of these homeowners don't  
>> have
>> roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.
>>
>> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some
>> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this  
>> becomes a
>> problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured  
>> as a
>> result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a
>> nuisance.  With chickens, there's really no incentive for a  
>> homeowner to
>> obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are
>> unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply  
>> forgo
>> the cost of obtaining a permit.  Plus with chickens, homeowners  
>> realize
>> they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted  
>> more so
>> to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and  
>> eating the
>> chickens.
>>
>> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for  
>> chickens,
>> other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.  But  
>> maybe
>> the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be,  
>> for the
>> city coffers.  And no, we don't own any chickens.  :-)
>>
>> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
>>
>> Question: who manages Council meetings?  Sets & publishes the  
>> agendas?
>> Publishes minutes?
>>
>> Allen Warren
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
>> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>>
>> WHAT??!!
>>
>> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
>>
>> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
>>
>> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
>> already and REJECTED it?
>>
>> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly  
>> that
>> I missed all the important stuff.
>> And the mayor talks way too much.
>>
>> --Martha K.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
>>
>>> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
>>> public readings before the vote.  The first reading was Monday and
>>> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
>>> meeting.  Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
>>> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
>>> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that  
>>> single
>>> item.  People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
>>> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
>>> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.  There may  
>>> also
>>> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
>>> legislation.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>>
>>>>
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From theresacus at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 11 18:23:07 2009
From: theresacus at yahoo.com (Theresa Carter)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:23:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9
Message-ID: <318271.95714.qm@web34502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Speaking of the flag...? has anyone else noticed that it is not to American Flag specifications.? The stripes are too long.? http://www.montney.com/flag/proportions.htm?
Take a look at it on a windy day and you too will see what I am talking about.? 
?
It currently is not lite at night either and no one is taking it down as per the rules.? 
?
The answer to your question is they did not have a permit but they did changed the height requirement to accomodate the flag and then changed it back after the installation.?
?
Theresa Carter?

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:32:57 -0700
From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
Subject: [Grovenet] trumpet teachers
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
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Anyone have a personal recommendation for summer trumpet lessons?


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:56:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: mark oberzil <obrzl at verizon.net>
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Message-ID: <511694.44653.qm at web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
?
Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
?
Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes the government with its hand out?
?
Mark

?
?
--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM


It's?interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential Permit, especially since there are?already homeowners?within city limits raising chickens today.? But since?most of these homeowners don't have roosters,?neighbors don't readily?notice chickens in the vicinity.

All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is?there is some percentage of pet owners who never?license their pets, and this becomes a problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or?captured as a result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a nuisance.? With chickens, there's really no incentive?for a homeowner to obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply forgo?the cost of obtaining a permit.??Plus with chickens, homeowners realize they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted more so to do with preventing?the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the chickens.

I truly don't understand the logic of?Residential Permits for chickens, other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.? But maybe the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the city coffers.? And no, we don't own?any chickens.? :-)

Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting?to find out details.

Question: who manages Council meetings?? Sets & publishes the agendas?? Publishes minutes?
?
Allen Warren


________________________________
From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment

WHAT??!!

Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?

Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"

Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea? 
already and REJECTED it?

I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that? 
I missed all the important stuff.
And the mayor talks way too much.

--Martha K.



On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:

> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
> public readings before the vote.? The first reading was Monday and
> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
> meeting.? Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
> item.? People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.? There may also
> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
> legislation.
>
> David
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:10:41 -0700
From: "Steven" <NoSpam03 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Message-ID: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNGEJFMAAA.NoSpam03 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="iso-8859-1"

The tyrant in the grove.

Best description since the time he tried to tax the property of businesses
except his own.

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
Behalf Of mark oberzil
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?

Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):

Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.

Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes the
government with its hand out?

Mark



--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM


It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential
Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city limits
raising chickens today.? But since most of these homeowners don't have
roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.

All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some
percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this becomes a
problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured as a
result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a
nuisance.? With chickens, there's really no incentive for a homeowner to
obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are
unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply
forgo the cost of obtaining a permit.? Plus with chickens, homeowners
realize they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted
more so to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and
eating the chickens.

I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for chickens,
other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.? But maybe
the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the
city coffers.? And no, we don't own any chickens.? :-)

Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.

Question: who manages Council meetings?? Sets & publishes the agendas?
Publishes minutes?

Allen Warren


________________________________
From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment

WHAT??!!

Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?

Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"

Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
already and REJECTED it?

I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that
I missed all the important stuff.
And the mayor talks way too much.

--Martha K.



On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:

> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
> public readings before the vote.? The first reading was Monday and
> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
> meeting.? Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
> item.? People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.? There may also
> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
> legislation.
>
> David
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:13:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Holly T." <feralcattamer at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Message-ID: <572578.5970.qm at web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Yep, that's a pretty astute summary of what's been goin' down lately in The Grove, Mark.

I'd love to see the flag come down and replaced by another of equal size that has a great, big chicken appliqued on it. One that holds a sign that reads, "Cluck permits and license fees!"

Holly




________________________________
From: mark oberzil <obrzl at verizon.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56:29 PM
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?

Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):

Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.

Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes the government with its hand out?

Mark



--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM


It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city limits raising chickens today.? But since most of these homeowners don't have roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.

All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this becomes a problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured as a result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a nuisance.? With chickens, there's really no incentive for a homeowner to obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply forgo the cost of obtaining a permit.? Plus with chickens, homeowners realize they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted more so to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the chickens.

I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for chickens, other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.? But maybe the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the city coffers.? And no, we don't own any chickens.? :-)

Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.

Question: who manages Council meetings?? Sets & publishes the agendas?? Publishes minutes?

Allen Warren


________________________________
From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment

WHAT??!!

Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?

Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"

Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea? 
already and REJECTED it?

I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that? 
I missed all the important stuff.
And the mayor talks way too much.

--Martha K.



On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:

> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
> public readings before the vote.? The first reading was Monday and
> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
> meeting.? Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
> item.? People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.? There may also
> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
> legislation.
>
> David
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:03:49 -0700
From: "Steve Jerrett" <stevedj at teleport.com>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Message-ID: <756707BAE9614D30885623D68CB8EF61 at Maincomputer>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
??? reply-type=original

At the risk of egging this discussion on, maybe instead of housing chickens 
at individual? residences,? a system of neighborhood? coops could be placed 
throughout the community, along the lines of a community garden. Small plots 
could be strategically located in several areas around the city containing 
small individual coops that would be assigned to families. These clucker 
clusters could be located in areas that would have minimal noise and odor 
impact while still being conveniently located close to neighborhoods.

I'm not yoking or trying to? ruffle anyone's feathers here.? Communal 
chicken coops would be a wonderful means of offsetting the deleterious 
effects of the giant flag and all of it's negative connotations. Anyone 
embarrassed of the impression that outsiders may acquire from the flag's 
presence can point out the communal coops as a progressive community 
attribute.

Steve "thank God I'm a country boy" Jerrett

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holly T." <feralcattamer at yahoo.com>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?


> Yep, that's a pretty astute summary of what's been goin' down lately in 
> The Grove, Mark.
>
> I'd love to see the flag come down and replaced by another of equal size 
> that has a great, big chicken appliqued on it. One that holds a sign that 
> reads, "Cluck permits and license fees!"
>
> Holly
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mark oberzil <obrzl at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56:29 PM
> Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
>
> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
>
> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
>
> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes the 
> government with its hand out?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
>
>
> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential 
> Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city limits 
> raising chickens today.? But since most of these homeowners don't have 
> roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.
>
> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some 
> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this becomes a 
> problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured as a 
> result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a 
> nuisance.? With chickens, there's really no incentive for a homeowner to 
> obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are 
> unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply forgo 
> the cost of obtaining a permit.? Plus with chickens, homeowners realize 
> they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted more so 
> to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the 
> chickens.
>
> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for chickens, 
> other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.? But maybe 
> the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the 
> city coffers.? And no, we don't own any chickens.? :-)
>
> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
>
> Question: who manages Council meetings?? Sets & publishes the agendas? 
> Publishes minutes?
>
> Allen Warren
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>
> WHAT??!!
>
> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
>
> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
>
> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
> already and REJECTED it?
>
> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that
> I missed all the important stuff.
> And the mayor talks way too much.
>
> --Martha K.
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
>
>> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
>> public readings before the vote.? The first reading was Monday and
>> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
>> meeting.? Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
>> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
>> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
>> item.? People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
>> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
>> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.? There may also
>> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
>> legislation.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>
>>>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:17:27 -0700
From: "Steven" <NoSpam03 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
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How about the community coop being at the flag triangle.
This would put everything for the birds in one location.

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
Behalf Of Steve Jerrett
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:04 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?

At the risk of egging this discussion on, maybe instead of housing chickens
at individual? residences,? a system of neighborhood? coops could be placed
throughout the community, along the lines of a community garden. Small plots
could be strategically located in several areas around the city containing
small individual coops that would be assigned to families. These clucker
clusters could be located in areas that would have minimal noise and odor
impact while still being conveniently located close to neighborhoods.

I'm not yoking or trying to? ruffle anyone's feathers here.? Communal
chicken coops would be a wonderful means of offsetting the deleterious
effects of the giant flag and all of it's negative connotations. Anyone
embarrassed of the impression that outsiders may acquire from the flag's
presence can point out the communal coops as a progressive community
attribute.

Steve "thank God I'm a country boy" Jerrett

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holly T." <feralcattamer at yahoo.com>
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?


> Yep, that's a pretty astute summary of what's been goin' down lately in
> The Grove, Mark.
>
> I'd love to see the flag come down and replaced by another of equal size
> that has a great, big chicken appliqued on it. One that holds a sign that
> reads, "Cluck permits and license fees!"
>
> Holly
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mark oberzil <obrzl at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56:29 PM
> Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
>
> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
>
> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
>
> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes the
> government with its hand out?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
>
>
> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential
> Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city limits
> raising chickens today.? But since most of these homeowners don't have
> roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.
>
> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some
> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this becomes a
> problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured as a
> result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a
> nuisance.? With chickens, there's really no incentive for a homeowner to
> obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are
> unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply forgo
> the cost of obtaining a permit.? Plus with chickens, homeowners realize
> they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted more so
> to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the
> chickens.
>
> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for chickens,
> other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.? But maybe
> the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the
> city coffers.? And no, we don't own any chickens.? :-)
>
> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
>
> Question: who manages Council meetings?? Sets & publishes the agendas?
> Publishes minutes?
>
> Allen Warren
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>
> WHAT??!!
>
> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
>
> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
>
> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
> already and REJECTED it?
>
> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that
> I missed all the important stuff.
> And the mayor talks way too much.
>
> --Martha K.
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
>
>> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
>> public readings before the vote.? The first reading was Monday and
>> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
>> meeting.? Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
>> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
>> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
>> item.? People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
>> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
>> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.? There may also
>> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
>> legislation.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>
>>>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:25:57 -0700
From: Katie Allnutt <allnutt at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Message-ID: <E421F031-594D-4821-B35E-3AB138A172CE at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Isn't it because the city itself (parks dept) put up the city owned? 
(donated to the city) flag?

Does the city require itself to get permits?? I'm not

On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:56 PM, mark oberzil wrote:

> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
>
> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
>
> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes? 
> the government with its hand out?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
>
>
> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a? 
> Residential Permit, especially since there are already homeowners? 
> within city limits raising chickens today.? But since most of these? 
> homeowners don't have roosters, neighbors don't readily notice? 
> chickens in the vicinity.
>
> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some? 
> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this? 
> becomes a problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or? 
> captured as a result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the? 
> pet being a nuisance.? With chickens, there's really no incentive? 
> for a homeowner to obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if? 
> the chickens are unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some? 
> homeowners who simply forgo the cost of obtaining a permit.? Plus? 
> with chickens, homeowners realize they need to do everything? 
> possible to keep them caged/restricted more so to do with? 
> preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the? 
> chickens.
>
> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for? 
> chickens, other than the City would then know who has/has not? 
> chickens.? But maybe the only logic is to get additional monies,? 
> however small they be, for the city coffers.? And no, we don't own? 
> any chickens.? :-)
>
> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
>
> Question: who manages Council meetings?? Sets & publishes the? 
> agendas?? Publishes minutes?
>
> Allen Warren
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>
> WHAT??!!
>
> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
>
> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
>
> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
> already and REJECTED it?
>
> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that
> I missed all the important stuff.
> And the mayor talks way too much.
>
> --Martha K.
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
>
>> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
>> public readings before the vote.? The first reading was Monday and
>> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
>> meeting.? Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
>> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
>> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
>> item.? People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
>> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
>> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.? There may also
>> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
>> legislation.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>
>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:28:25 -0700
From: Katie Allnutt <allnutt at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Message-ID: <69787DA1-6393-4D39-96C6-93C04CB5C726 at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Isn't it because the city itself (parks dept) put up the city owned? 
(donated to the city) flag?

Does the city require itself to get permits?? I'm not going to be? 
amazed if they don't.

Katie


On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:56 PM, mark oberzil wrote:

> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
>
> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
>
> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes? 
> the government with its hand out?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
>
>
> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a? 
> Residential Permit, especially since there are already homeowners? 
> within city limits raising chickens today.? But since most of these? 
> homeowners don't have roosters, neighbors don't readily notice? 
> chickens in the vicinity.
>
> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some? 
> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this? 
> becomes a problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or? 
> captured as a result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the? 
> pet being a nuisance.? With chickens, there's really no incentive? 
> for a homeowner to obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if? 
> the chickens are unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some? 
> homeowners who simply forgo the cost of obtaining a permit.? Plus? 
> with chickens, homeowners realize they need to do everything? 
> possible to keep them caged/restricted more so to do with? 
> preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and eating the? 
> chickens.
>
> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for? 
> chickens, other than the City would then know who has/has not? 
> chickens.? But maybe the only logic is to get additional monies,? 
> however small they be, for the city coffers.? And no, we don't own? 
> any chickens.? :-)
>
> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
>
> Question: who manages Council meetings?? Sets & publishes the? 
> agendas?? Publishes minutes?
>
> Allen Warren
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>
> WHAT??!!
>
> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
>
> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
>
> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
> already and REJECTED it?
>
> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that
> I missed all the important stuff.
> And the mayor talks way too much.
>
> --Martha K.
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
>
>> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
>> public readings before the vote.? The first reading was Monday and
>> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
>> meeting.? Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
>> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
>> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
>> item.? People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
>> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
>> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.? There may also
>> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
>> legislation.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>
>>>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:14:04 -0700
From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Message-ID: <BA506796-EB5C-4014-838B-D342D973AD8A at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

I read an Oregonian article about just such a thing in SE Portland.? 
Frankly, I want to keep mine to myself. The area in the article seemed? 
to be much higher density. --MK


On Jun 11, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Steve Jerrett wrote:

> At the risk of egging this discussion on, maybe instead of housing? 
> chickens
> at individual? residences,? a system of neighborhood? coops could be? 
> placed
> throughout the community, along the lines of a community garden.? 
> Small plots
> could be strategically located in several areas around the city? 
> containing
> small individual coops that would be assigned to families. These? 
> clucker
> clusters could be located in areas that would have minimal noise and? 
> odor
> impact while still being conveniently located close to neighborhoods.
>
> I'm not yoking or trying to? ruffle anyone's feathers here.? Communal
> chicken coops would be a wonderful means of offsetting the deleterious
> effects of the giant flag and all of it's negative connotations.? 
> Anyone
> embarrassed of the impression that outsiders may acquire from the? 
> flag's
> presence can point out the communal coops as a progressive community
> attribute.
>
> Steve "thank God I'm a country boy" Jerrett
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Holly T." <feralcattamer at yahoo.com>
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
>
>
>> Yep, that's a pretty astute summary of what's been goin' down? 
>> lately in
>> The Grove, Mark.
>>
>> I'd love to see the flag come down and replaced by another of equal? 
>> size
>> that has a great, big chicken appliqued on it. One that holds a? 
>> sign that
>> reads, "Cluck permits and license fees!"
>>
>> Holly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: mark oberzil <obrzl at verizon.net>
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56:29 PM
>> Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
>>
>> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
>>
>> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
>>
>> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes? 
>> the
>> government with its hand out?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
>>
>>
>> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a? 
>> Residential
>> Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city? 
>> limits
>> raising chickens today.? But since most of these homeowners don't? 
>> have
>> roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.
>>
>> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some
>> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this? 
>> becomes a
>> problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured? 
>> as a
>> result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a
>> nuisance.? With chickens, there's really no incentive for a? 
>> homeowner to
>> obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are
>> unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply? 
>> forgo
>> the cost of obtaining a permit.? Plus with chickens, homeowners? 
>> realize
>> they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted? 
>> more so
>> to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and? 
>> eating the
>> chickens.
>>
>> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for? 
>> chickens,
>> other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.? But? 
>> maybe
>> the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be,? 
>> for the
>> city coffers.? And no, we don't own any chickens.? :-)
>>
>> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
>>
>> Question: who manages Council meetings?? Sets & publishes the? 
>> agendas?
>> Publishes minutes?
>>
>> Allen Warren
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
>> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>>
>> WHAT??!!
>>
>> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
>>
>> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
>>
>> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
>> already and REJECTED it?
>>
>> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly? 
>> that
>> I missed all the important stuff.
>> And the mayor talks way too much.
>>
>> --Martha K.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
>>
>>> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
>>> public readings before the vote.? The first reading was Monday and
>>> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
>>> meeting.? Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
>>> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
>>> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that? 
>>> single
>>> item.? People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
>>> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
>>> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.? There may? 
>>> also
>>> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
>>> legislation.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>>
>>>>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:03:25 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9
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From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Fri Jun 12 10:14:30 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:14:30 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: Bob Browning <rab@jurislex.com>'s message of Fri, 12 Jun 2009
	10:03:25 -0700
Message-ID: <12721-4A328CF6-4764@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Bob ... I don't think it's the size that matters ... however, it is the
thought for what it stands for...... if memory serves me ... you have a
relative standing for that thought in the military right now...


From rab at jurislex.com  Fri Jun 12 10:22:08 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:22:08 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <12721-4A328CF6-4764@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
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From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Fri Jun 12 10:31:46 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:31:46 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: Bob Browning <rab@jurislex.com>'s message of Fri, 12 Jun 2009
	10:22:08 -0700
Message-ID: <12724-4A329102-3081@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Bob .... I think the most IMPORTANT of all ... is the caring of the
afore mentioned item.... remember back during the Kent State Riots
during the Viet-Nam war when the flag was desecrated?


From waltw at teleport.com  Fri Jun 12 10:42:43 2009
From: waltw at teleport.com (Walt Wentz)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:42:43 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <4A328EC0.5050205@jurislex.com>
References: <12721-4A328CF6-4764@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
	<4A328EC0.5050205@jurislex.com>
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The display of the flag should also convey respect for it as a symbol  
of the nation. An oversized flag on a (relatively) short staff, so  
that it flies or hangs close to the ground,  conveys a "cartoonish"  
feeling. Size of the flag should be proportional to the pole, so it  
will be perceived as being high in the sky, not close to the ground.
When flown at half-mast, a flag should be raised to the peak, then  
lowered one flag-width. Lowering this huge flag one width would bring  
it dangerously close to passing traffic or pedestrians. The struggle  
of the Fire Department to save the flag during the recent windstorm  
demonstrates the powerful and dangerous sail effect generated by a  
piece of fabric this large.
Walt (ex-EM) Wentz

On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Bob Browning wrote:

> Co'mon, Alan. You and I know that size matters, but not in the  
> normal ("usual") sense. The flag does not lose its standing as a  
> symbol if it's the wrong size, but if it is the wrong size, that's  
> just one more little bit of someone not caring for the rules that  
> everyone else is expected to meet. Sort of like there not being any  
> roadway improvements, curbs, or storm drainage along the new  
> Thatcher Park. Boy, one can only imagine what would have been  
> required if a private developer were putting in the park as part of  
> a residential development!!  Can you say "traffic signal"??
>
> bob "grumpier each day" browning
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss wrote:
>>
>> Bob ... I don't think it's the size that matters ... however, it  
>> is the
>> thought for what it stands for...... if memory serves me ... you  
>> have a
>> relative standing for that thought in the military right now...
>>
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From feralcattamer at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 12 10:57:19 2009
From: feralcattamer at yahoo.com (Holly T.)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <9E554CA0-0308-4217-898F-0A648DB06551@teleport.com>
References: <12721-4A328CF6-4764@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
	<4A328EC0.5050205@jurislex.com>
	<9E554CA0-0308-4217-898F-0A648DB06551@teleport.com>
Message-ID: <784206.93145.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Visions of houses burning down while the fire department stuggles to save this embarrassing monstrosity come to mind...

Holly




________________________________
From: Walt Wentz <waltw at teleport.com>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:42:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9

The display of the flag should also convey respect for it as a symbol  
of the nation. An oversized flag on a (relatively) short staff, so  
that it flies or hangs close to the ground,  conveys a "cartoonish"  
feeling. Size of the flag should be proportional to the pole, so it  
will be perceived as being high in the sky, not close to the ground.
When flown at half-mast, a flag should be raised to the peak, then  
lowered one flag-width. Lowering this huge flag one width would bring  
it dangerously close to passing traffic or pedestrians. The struggle  
of the Fire Department to save the flag during the recent windstorm  
demonstrates the powerful and dangerous sail effect generated by a  
piece of fabric this large.
Walt (ex-EM) Wentz

On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Bob Browning wrote:

> Co'mon, Alan. You and I know that size matters, but not in the  
> normal ("usual") sense. The flag does not lose its standing as a  
> symbol if it's the wrong size, but if it is the wrong size, that's  
> just one more little bit of someone not caring for the rules that  
> everyone else is expected to meet. Sort of like there not being any  
> roadway improvements, curbs, or storm drainage along the new  
> Thatcher Park. Boy, one can only imagine what would have been  
> required if a private developer were putting in the park as part of  
> a residential development!!  Can you say "traffic signal"??
>
> bob "grumpier each day" browning
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss wrote:
>>
>> Bob ... I don't think it's the size that matters ... however, it  
>> is the
>> thought for what it stands for...... if memory serves me ... you  
>> have a
>> relative standing for that thought in the military right now...
>>
> _______________________________________________
> GroveNet mailing list
> GroveNet at rdrop.com
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet

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From edavie at verizon.net  Fri Jun 12 11:02:12 2009
From: edavie at verizon.net (Ed Davie)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:02:12 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9
References: <12724-4A329102-3081@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <38FE3493716A44FAA2CD58CD62E46B97@EDavie>

And a few innocent people desecrated too!
Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss
  To: Forest Grove local interests list
  Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, 
Issue 9


  Bob .... I think the most IMPORTANT of all ... 
is the caring of the
  afore mentioned item.... remember back during 
the Kent State Riots
  during the Viet-Nam war when the flag was 
desecrated?

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From rab at jurislex.com  Fri Jun 12 11:28:20 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:28:20 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9
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From obrzl at verizon.net  Fri Jun 12 12:22:36 2009
From: obrzl at verizon.net (mark oberzil)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:22:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9
Message-ID: <610367.16556.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

One wonders whether the Flag, like Pinocchio's nose, gets bigger every time we contradict the core values for which it stands.?? 
?
Mark

--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Bob Browning <rab at jurislex.com> wrote:


From: Bob Browning <rab at jurislex.com>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] GroveNet Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 6:28 PM


But, Alan, as we look back, let's be careful that we don't confuse the object with the symbol, because when we do there is no ending of where the "veneration " starts and the "desecration" ends. What about flag dewrags, blankets, water bottles, hardhats, Chevy trucks, bikinis, underwear?? Only clean underwear?? Only panties and boxers, but no briefs or thongs?? That is part of the problem with extremist Islam or Christianity, where the desecration of the Quran or the Bible is deemed a capital offense, when it ought to only make the faith of the believer stronger.

And I think my son would agree with me on this. I would like to believe that he recognizes the symbolism of the flag, and that part of that symbolism is the right of the "non-believer" to seek to incite/promote discussion/dissension/disbelief by the inappropriate display/destruction of the same, and that the strength of those who are supportive of this sometimes great nation is that they seek to lead by example and not by inappropriate attacks on the disbeliever/unbeliever/nonbeliever. He's not fighting for the flag, but for the principles for which it stands. Which makes Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz's torture all the more perverse, since they sought to wrap themselves in the flag while subverting the very principles for which it stands!!

bob "I will defend to my death your right to be wrong" browning
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss wrote: 
Bob .... I think the most IMPORTANT of all ... is the caring of the
afore mentioned item.... remember back during the Kent State Riots
during the Viet-Nam war when the flag was desecrated?
  
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From warner at aracnet.com  Fri Jun 12 16:16:54 2009
From: warner at aracnet.com (Cecelia Warner)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:16:54 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Newsweek wanted
Message-ID: <152434BB-B3F5-44A0-8C20-09C40B584D24@aracnet.com>

I missed buying a recent issue of Newsweek at the stand. I am hoping  
someone on Grovenet would be willing to give me their copy of the  
issue with Stephen Colbert on the cover. I think it came out last week.

I'd be very very grateful!

Cecelia Warner
(503) 357-5549

From rab at jurislex.com  Sat Jun 13 12:41:07 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:41:07 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . .
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From g-g-steele at comcast.net  Sat Jun 13 13:25:48 2009
From: g-g-steele at comcast.net (Geri)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:25:48 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . .
Message-ID: <D2C8AF2C51204CF681A75E0FE2B82BC1@gerianehzkfhvy>

Yikes, Bob, unsealed deli salad -- scary.

I find it truly a pain in the ... that Safeway has no competition *in* F.G.!! I don't use them exclusively either, but mainly because the different area stores (Safeway, Grande Foods, Freddy's, Costco -- the farthest I go for groceries) each seem to have some item or another which we use that only one or two of them carry any more.

What will it be like going farther than Safeway once Wal-Mart is at our end of Cornelius?


Geri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bob Browning 
To: homeshopping at safeway.com 
Cc: Grovenet ; letters at news.oregonian.com ; Chamber Director 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:41 PM
Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . .


Every time I go into Safeway here in Forest Grove I am reminded why my wife Pat and I now do virtually all of our grocery, pharmacy, and household goods shopping at Fred Meyer and Costco. Yesterday Pat got the craving for some macaroni salad and, rather than have to go out of town, she popped into Safeway for a couple of things. As usual, she paid with her airmiles American Express card.

When we got ready for dinner last night, she realized that there was no shrink-wrap sealer around the lip of the lid.  But, not thinking much of it, it got worse when she opened the snap top to find that the plastic cover over the salad was not sealed on the front and two sides. While it did not appear that anyone had taken any salad out of the container, in an abundance of caution we opted to fore go any of her hoped for macaroni salad .

This morning a few minutes after 9:00 am I popped into Safeway to return the salad. Finding the customer service counter not only unattended, but the lights above the counter still turned off, I found an employee to whom I explained our situation and made inquiry as to where to go to return the salad. I was directed to the other end of the checker row where, after once again explaining my situation, and the second person to whom I spoke making inquiry with several of her co-workers, I was sent back to the customer service counter (the overhead lights of which were still off) to see a manager. For the third time I explained my need, showed this person the product, explained why we choose not to eat it, and, not desiring to tell her about a foot problem and to have to walk the entire length of the store to the deli area , noted that I wanted to get a refund. Upon her request, I then showed her my wife's receipt from the previous day's purchase.

That's when things got sticky. She immediately asked for the credit card with which it had been purchased; I assume she was intending to put the refund back onto the card so that Safeway would save the $0.18 in servicer fee (on the $3.99 purchase price) they paid American Express. Noting that I did not have the card with me since it was my wife who made the purchase, she abruptly explained to me that she could not do the refund. However, after some fairly insistent prompting on my part, she did note on the receipt that the product had been returned and that a refund was yet due to my wife.

Now, I realize that 18 cents is not a huge sum of money. However, that cuts two ways. As someone who used to spend over $600 per month at Safeway, one would think that they might desire to have me back as a customer. But, no, I was treated as just another cipher, someone else to be inconvenienced so they could return to what ever they may have been doing before I came in. Which, unlike Fred Meyer, often consists of long lines, several checkers with surly attitudes (though I really do miss seeing some others), crowded aisles, and dirty floors. Oh, yes, despite a number of requests, they still play their outside speaker so loud we can hear it in my office across the parking lot!!

So, I guess I will continue to  drive to Cornelius or to Hillsboro for my grocery shopping needs -  just one more person going out of town rather than supporting our local stores. But, it must not matter since, if Safeway really needed my business, I guess they would work a little harder to keep me as a customer. Maybe at least 18 cents harder!!

bob browning
forest grove


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From allnutt at verizon.net  Sat Jun 13 16:09:05 2009
From: allnutt at verizon.net (Katie Allnutt)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:09:05 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . .
In-Reply-To: <4A3400D3.9050802@jurislex.com>
References: <4A3400D3.9050802@jurislex.com>
Message-ID: <05D15888-BF6F-4B46-83B1-A7D1041D7213@verizon.net>

Sorry to hear that Bob. Even though I rarely shop at Safeway (I am a  
Winco fan myself) I recently had an amazingly positive experience at  
Safeway.  I had heard about a product that I wanted to try and  
according to the products website, the FG Safeway carried it.  So I  
went there. After I couldn't find it I asked someone in the produce  
section where it might be and  they helped me look for it.  We  
couldn't find it but they found someone for me in the refrigerated  
section. While we were there a manager tried to help and someone from  
the deli too. After we were all about to give up, someone came off  
break and they looked as well and we finally found it near the  
yogurt. As I was leaving the manager who had helped earlier gave me a  
card to write to the company store to ask if they would carry it and  
when I told him we eventually found it he was pleasantly surprised.   
So, I guess that they are willing to spend lots of time helping you  
find something but not willing to spend 18 cents to help you return  
something.
It is sad when local shoppers have difficulties at local stores and  
my positive experience won't likely increase my shopping at Safeway -  
I hate those stupid cards that track what you buy and yes I recognize  
that Winco can probably do the same thing just because I use a check- 
but they do have some nice folks at Safeway who try to do what they  
can. The best thing would be to focus all the blame at the corporate  
level because they are the ones who set the policy for such nit picky  
rules.

My two cents,
Katie



On Jun 13, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Bob Browning wrote:

> Every time I go into Safeway here in Forest Grove I am reminded why  
> my wife Pat and I now do virtually all of our grocery, pharmacy,  
> and household goods shopping at Fred Meyer and Costco. Yesterday  
> Pat got the craving for some macaroni salad and, rather than have  
> to go out of town, she popped into Safeway for a couple of things.  
> As usual, she paid with her airmiles American Express card.
>
> When we got ready for dinner last night, she realized that there  
> was no shrink-wrap sealer around the lip of the lid.  But, not  
> thinking much of it, it got worse when she opened the snap top to  
> find that the plastic cover over the salad was not sealed on the  
> front and two sides. While it did not appear that anyone had taken  
> any salad out of the container, in an abundance of caution we opted  
> to fore go any of her hoped for macaroni salad .
>
> This morning a few minutes after 9:00 am I popped into Safeway to  
> return the salad. Finding the customer service counter not only  
> unattended, but the lights above the counter still turned off, I  
> found an employee to whom I explained our situation and made  
> inquiry as to where to go to return the salad. I was directed to  
> the other end of the checker row where, after once again explaining  
> my situation, and the second person to whom I spoke making inquiry  
> with several of her co-workers, I was sent back to the customer  
> service counter (the overhead lights of which were still off) to  
> see a manager. For the third time I explained my need, showed this  
> person the product, explained why we choose not to eat it, and, not  
> desiring to tell her about a foot problem and to have to walk the  
> entire length of the store to the deli area , noted that I wanted  
> to get a refund. Upon her request, I then showed her my wife's  
> receipt from the previous day's purchase.
>
> That's when things got sticky. She immediately asked for the credit  
> card with which it had been purchased; I assume she was intending  
> to put the refund back onto the card so that Safeway would save the  
> $0.18 in servicer fee (on the $3.99 purchase price) they paid  
> American Express. Noting that I did not have the card with me since  
> it was my wife who made the purchase, she abruptly explained to me  
> that she could not do the refund. However, after some fairly  
> insistent prompting on my part, she did note on the receipt that  
> the product had been returned and that a refund was yet due to my  
> wife.
>
> Now, I realize that 18 cents is not a huge sum of money. However,  
> that cuts two ways. As someone who used to spend over $600 per  
> month at Safeway, one would think that they might desire to have me  
> back as a customer. But, no, I was treated as just another cipher,  
> someone else to be inconvenienced so they could return to what ever  
> they may have been doing before I came in. Which, unlike Fred  
> Meyer, often consists of long lines, several checkers with surly  
> attitudes (though I really do miss seeing some others), crowded  
> aisles, and dirty floors. Oh, yes, despite a number of requests,  
> they still play their outside speaker so loud we can hear it in my  
> office across the parking lot!!
>
> So, I guess I will continue to  drive to Cornelius or to Hillsboro  
> for my grocery shopping needs -  just one more person going out of  
> town rather than supporting our local stores. But, it must not  
> matter since, if Safeway really needed my business, I guess they  
> would work a little harder to keep me as a customer. Maybe at least  
> 18 cents harder!!
>
> bob browning
> forest grove
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet


From NoSpam03 at comcast.net  Sat Jun 13 17:12:23 2009
From: NoSpam03 at comcast.net (Steven)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:12:23 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . .
In-Reply-To: <05D15888-BF6F-4B46-83B1-A7D1041D7213@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNIEKCMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>

I just walked into a walmart, then a nearby target today.
Walmart was crowded and it was difficult to get through the isles.
Even had to back out of one since two carts couldn't pass.
I much prefer Target

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
Behalf Of Katie Allnutt
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 4:09 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . .

Sorry to hear that Bob. Even though I rarely shop at Safeway (I am a
Winco fan myself) I recently had an amazingly positive experience at
Safeway.  I had heard about a product that I wanted to try and
according to the products website, the FG Safeway carried it.  So I
went there. After I couldn't find it I asked someone in the produce
section where it might be and  they helped me look for it.  We
couldn't find it but they found someone for me in the refrigerated
section. While we were there a manager tried to help and someone from
the deli too. After we were all about to give up, someone came off
break and they looked as well and we finally found it near the
yogurt. As I was leaving the manager who had helped earlier gave me a
card to write to the company store to ask if they would carry it and
when I told him we eventually found it he was pleasantly surprised.
So, I guess that they are willing to spend lots of time helping you
find something but not willing to spend 18 cents to help you return
something.
It is sad when local shoppers have difficulties at local stores and
my positive experience won't likely increase my shopping at Safeway -
I hate those stupid cards that track what you buy and yes I recognize
that Winco can probably do the same thing just because I use a check-
but they do have some nice folks at Safeway who try to do what they
can. The best thing would be to focus all the blame at the corporate
level because they are the ones who set the policy for such nit picky
rules.

My two cents,
Katie



On Jun 13, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Bob Browning wrote:

> Every time I go into Safeway here in Forest Grove I am reminded why
> my wife Pat and I now do virtually all of our grocery, pharmacy,
> and household goods shopping at Fred Meyer and Costco. Yesterday
> Pat got the craving for some macaroni salad and, rather than have
> to go out of town, she popped into Safeway for a couple of things.
> As usual, she paid with her airmiles American Express card.
>
> When we got ready for dinner last night, she realized that there
> was no shrink-wrap sealer around the lip of the lid.  But, not
> thinking much of it, it got worse when she opened the snap top to
> find that the plastic cover over the salad was not sealed on the
> front and two sides. While it did not appear that anyone had taken
> any salad out of the container, in an abundance of caution we opted
> to fore go any of her hoped for macaroni salad .
>
> This morning a few minutes after 9:00 am I popped into Safeway to
> return the salad. Finding the customer service counter not only
> unattended, but the lights above the counter still turned off, I
> found an employee to whom I explained our situation and made
> inquiry as to where to go to return the salad. I was directed to
> the other end of the checker row where, after once again explaining
> my situation, and the second person to whom I spoke making inquiry
> with several of her co-workers, I was sent back to the customer
> service counter (the overhead lights of which were still off) to
> see a manager. For the third time I explained my need, showed this
> person the product, explained why we choose not to eat it, and, not
> desiring to tell her about a foot problem and to have to walk the
> entire length of the store to the deli area , noted that I wanted
> to get a refund. Upon her request, I then showed her my wife's
> receipt from the previous day's purchase.
>
> That's when things got sticky. She immediately asked for the credit
> card with which it had been purchased; I assume she was intending
> to put the refund back onto the card so that Safeway would save the
> $0.18 in servicer fee (on the $3.99 purchase price) they paid
> American Express. Noting that I did not have the card with me since
> it was my wife who made the purchase, she abruptly explained to me
> that she could not do the refund. However, after some fairly
> insistent prompting on my part, she did note on the receipt that
> the product had been returned and that a refund was yet due to my
> wife.
>
> Now, I realize that 18 cents is not a huge sum of money. However,
> that cuts two ways. As someone who used to spend over $600 per
> month at Safeway, one would think that they might desire to have me
> back as a customer. But, no, I was treated as just another cipher,
> someone else to be inconvenienced so they could return to what ever
> they may have been doing before I came in. Which, unlike Fred
> Meyer, often consists of long lines, several checkers with surly
> attitudes (though I really do miss seeing some others), crowded
> aisles, and dirty floors. Oh, yes, despite a number of requests,
> they still play their outside speaker so loud we can hear it in my
> office across the parking lot!!
>
> So, I guess I will continue to  drive to Cornelius or to Hillsboro
> for my grocery shopping needs -  just one more person going out of
> town rather than supporting our local stores. But, it must not
> matter since, if Safeway really needed my business, I guess they
> would work a little harder to keep me as a customer. Maybe at least
> 18 cents harder!!
>
> bob browning
> forest grove
>
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From allnutt at verizon.net  Sat Jun 13 22:48:44 2009
From: allnutt at verizon.net (Katie Allnutt)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:48:44 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] The Foreigner
Message-ID: <3D4EE74E-C0F8-4AEF-94F8-82962A1253B5@verizon.net>

If you haven't already seen the play at Theater in the Grove I highly  
recommend it.
My folks who are visiting from NM and a community where they have a  
very active live theater group said it was very good too.
It was lightly attended today, possibly due to the rain but if you  
get a chance to go it is well worth the price.


Katie
And it is a comedy. Something we all need to do more often is laugh.....


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From rab at jurislex.com  Sun Jun 14 16:30:12 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:30:12 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . .
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From allnutt at verizon.net  Sun Jun 14 17:05:29 2009
From: allnutt at verizon.net (Katie Allnutt)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:05:29 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . .
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True, but it was a relatively new item and it was in a tiny  
container. We all walked past about 3 times without any of us seeing  
it.  The last one just happened to be the one that spotted it because  
she didn't know if they really carried it or not. I guess I had just  
been assertive about the internet page claiming that it was there at  
the FG store.

The thought that ran through my mind when this happened was that  
there must have been a recent training session or something about  
customer service because it did seem highly unusual to have so much  
help and all at once. It is just an example that on this occasion  
they did make a huge effort at customer service. In my mind they  
should have done the same for your problem.

Katie



On Jun 14, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Bob Browning wrote:

> Katie, it is amazing that the employees at Safeway gave you so much  
> help to look for the item, though if all but the last one had been  
> properly trained as to what they had in their store they would have  
> saved you and the rest of their employees a whole bunch of time.  
> Even the employees at Costco have a better handle on what they have  
> and their stock changes almost everyday!!
>
> bob
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Katie Allnutt wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to hear that Bob. Even though I rarely shop at Safeway (I am a
>> Winco fan myself) I recently had an amazingly positive experience at
>> Safeway.  I had heard about a product that I wanted to try and
>> according to the products website, the FG Safeway carried it.  So I
>> went there. After I couldn't find it I asked someone in the produce
>> section where it might be and  they helped me look for it.  We
>> couldn't find it but they found someone for me in the refrigerated
>> section. While we were there a manager tried to help and someone from
>> the deli too. After we were all about to give up, someone came off
>> break and they looked as well and we finally found it near the
>> yogurt. As I was leaving the manager who had helped earlier gave me a
>> card to write to the company store to ask if they would carry it and
>> when I told him we eventually found it he was pleasantly surprised.
>> So, I guess that they are willing to spend lots of time helping you
>> find something but not willing to spend 18 cents to help you return
>> something.
>> It is sad when local shoppers have difficulties at local stores and
>> my positive experience won't likely increase my shopping at Safeway -
>> I hate those stupid cards that track what you buy and yes I recognize
>> that Winco can probably do the same thing just because I use a check-
>> but they do have some nice folks at Safeway who try to do what they
>> can. The best thing would be to focus all the blame at the corporate
>> level because they are the ones who set the policy for such nit picky
>> rules.
>>
>> My two cents,
>> Katie
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>> Every time I go into Safeway here in Forest Grove I am reminded why
>> my wife Pat and I now do virtually all of our grocery, pharmacy,
>> and household goods shopping at Fred Meyer and Costco. <snip>
>
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From chopwoodcarrywater at verizon.net  Mon Jun 15 09:47:39 2009
From: chopwoodcarrywater at verizon.net (Julie Larson)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:47:39 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] trumpet teachers
In-Reply-To: <06952F2D-7AB4-41A8-9D86-2C1E9277E0B4@verizon.net>
References: <06952F2D-7AB4-41A8-9D86-2C1E9277E0B4@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <003401c9edd8$ff3593f0$fda0bbd0$@net>

Steve Conrow is excellent. His number is 503 806 3443.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Martha Khoury
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:33 PM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: [Grovenet] trumpet teachers

Anyone have a personal recommendation for summer trumpet lessons?
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From khourym at verizon.net  Tue Jun 16 13:19:38 2009
From: khourym at verizon.net (Martha Khoury)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:19:38 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] salmon
Message-ID: <89D9C86E-96BB-47CE-B815-56DEBE894B4A@verizon.net>

I will be ordering salmon tomorrow (Wednesday) for Friday or Saturday  
delivery.
This salmon is purchased from a Native American with fishing rights on  
the Columbia River.

It is $5 per pound BY THE WHOLE FISH whether you want it filleted or  
just cleaned.

Please let me know if you are interested.

--Martha Khoury
khourym at verizon.net
503-357-7309

From rab at jurislex.com  Tue Jun 16 14:08:51 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:08:51 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . . [#2483295]
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From JJSAW at aol.com  Tue Jun 16 18:11:18 2009
From: JJSAW at aol.com (JJSAW at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:11:18 EDT
Subject: [Grovenet] salmon
Message-ID: <c1d.65fb12c7.37699cb6@aol.com>

Martha, 
What great timing!! I have enjoyed the salmon previously. Put me down for 
another one.
Thank You, 
Jim
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From k.wilke at mac.com  Tue Jun 16 18:39:10 2009
From: k.wilke at mac.com (Kurt Wilke)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:39:10 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Gutters are falling down here
In-Reply-To: <75453.13795.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <C614E6A0.C0F4%hannah@teleport.com>
	<75453.13795.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01B2E0A3-4D13-4F17-8A75-B9A2F4400500@mac.com>

Glad I saved this e-mail.  Guy just finished putting gutters on our  
house and we are very pleased.

Kurt

On Apr 22, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Holly T. wrote:

> Contact Guy Ferguson with Adda Gutters and Downspouts for answers  
> to both. He's super if you can schedule him.
>
>
> (503) 324-4913?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kristy Gravlin <hannah at teleport.com>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:22:08 PM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Gutters are falling down here
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations as to whether to purchase  
> LeafGuard
> (the reverse S, nothing can get in type), or LeafFilter (the micro- 
> woven
> steel ?cloth? covers the gutter), or the open variety (must be  
> cleaned but
> no doubt cheaper in the first place)?
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for who to employ to do the task?
>
> Thanks.
> Kristy
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From khourym at verizon.net  Tue Jun 16 18:41:51 2009
From: khourym at verizon.net (Martha Khoury)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:41:51 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] salmon
In-Reply-To: <c1d.65fb12c7.37699cb6@aol.com>
References: <c1d.65fb12c7.37699cb6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F53CC6FB-5EBD-42D6-BE0E-99A65B96FDFA@verizon.net>

Jim-- Please give me your phone number. Filleted or not? --Martha

On Jun 16, 2009, at 6:11 PM, JJSAW at aol.com wrote:

> Martha,
> What great timing!! I have enjoyed the salmon previously. Put me  
> down for
> another one.
> Thank You,
> Jim
> **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2  
> Easy
> Steps!
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From feralcattamer at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 16 19:39:14 2009
From: feralcattamer at yahoo.com (Holly T.)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:39:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Gutters are falling down here
In-Reply-To: <01B2E0A3-4D13-4F17-8A75-B9A2F4400500@mac.com>
References: <C614E6A0.C0F4%hannah@teleport.com>
	<75453.13795.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<01B2E0A3-4D13-4F17-8A75-B9A2F4400500@mac.com>
Message-ID: <866303.84182.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

So glad to hear that, Kurt. Guy's quite a guy!

Holly




________________________________
From: Kurt Wilke <k.wilke at mac.com>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:39:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Gutters are falling down here

Glad I saved this e-mail.  Guy just finished putting gutters on our  
house and we are very pleased.

Kurt

On Apr 22, 2009, at 1:33 PM, Holly T. wrote:

> Contact Guy Ferguson with Adda Gutters and Downspouts for answers  
> to both. He's super if you can schedule him.
>
>
> (503) 324-4913?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kristy Gravlin <hannah at teleport.com>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:22:08 PM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Gutters are falling down here
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations as to whether to purchase  
> LeafGuard
> (the reverse S, nothing can get in type), or LeafFilter (the micro- 
> woven
> steel ?cloth? covers the gutter), or the open variety (must be  
> cleaned but
> no doubt cheaper in the first place)?
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions for who to employ to do the task?
>
> Thanks.
> Kristy
> _______________________________________________
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> GroveNet at rdrop.com
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet
>
>
>
>
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From JJSAW at aol.com  Tue Jun 16 22:21:48 2009
From: JJSAW at aol.com (JJSAW at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:21:48 EDT
Subject: [Grovenet] salmon
Message-ID: <cee.5bb76991.3769d76c@aol.com>

Fillets would be wonderful, 503 680 3725
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From braketimecoffee at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 17 11:59:10 2009
From: braketimecoffee at hotmail.com (Glenn Berkheimer)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:59:10 -0600
Subject: [Grovenet] salmon
In-Reply-To: <cee.5bb76991.3769d76c@aol.com>
References: <cee.5bb76991.3769d76c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT116-W439A623B1598417C4B0728A93C0@phx.gbl>


I need a really in expensive bicycle.  My son wants me to start ridding with him in the evenings.  I went to Wal-Mart and I had no idea they were so high priced.  Yea, I know, since the increase in people ridding so have prices increased  but I only want something to peddle in the evenings casually.  Any suggestions?

> From: JJSAW at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:21:48 -0400
> To: grovenet at rdrop.com
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] salmon
> 
> Fillets would be wonderful, 503 680 3725
> **************Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! 
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From rab at jurislex.com  Wed Jun 17 13:26:35 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:26:35 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Looking for a bike  [was Grovenet salmon]
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From obrzl at verizon.net  Wed Jun 17 14:28:22 2009
From: obrzl at verizon.net (obrzl at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:28:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Looking for a bike  [was Grovenet salmon]
Message-ID: <521011.99268.qm@web84208.mail.re3.yahoo.com>



If you're willing to go to Portland, try these:? Hollywood Cycling 503 281 1671 (Bill Donohue is a sweet guy who gives great deals, partly because he has a benevolent landlord who helps keep his costs down :)? 
?
Also, City Bikes is a coop with two locations; they build bikes with donated parts.? 
?
And it might also be worth checking Craigslist or even Goodwill.
?
Mark Oberzil

--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Bob Browning <rab at jurislex.com> wrote:


From: Bob Browning <rab at jurislex.com>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Looking for a bike [was Grovenet salmon]
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 8:26 PM


Check with either Schlegel's or with Olson's. Either or both are likely to have good suggestions, and they may even have a trade-in that would be fairly priced and good for what you need!!

bob
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Glenn Berkheimer wrote: 
I need a really inexpensive bicycle.  My son wants me to start riding with him in the evenings.  I went to Wal-Mart and I had no idea they were so high priced.  Yea, I know, since the increase in people riding so have prices increased,  but I only want something to peddle in the evenings casually.  Any suggestions?
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From Palmy at comcast.net  Wed Jun 17 14:37:26 2009
From: Palmy at comcast.net (Palmy)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:37:26 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Looking for a bike
In-Reply-To: <4A39517B.1010706@jurislex.com>
References: <cee.5bb76991.3769d76c@aol.com>	<SNT116-W439A623B1598417C4B0728A93C0@phx.gbl>
	<4A39517B.1010706@jurislex.com>
Message-ID: <4A396216.1070206@comcast.net>

Hi Glenn,

I have a 10 or 12 speed male bike that has been hanging from my garage 
ceiling unused for the last 15 years.  I keep thinking that I will 
someday take it for a ride but it's NOT happening.

You can have it for $60.00.  I live at the top of Lavina Dr. in Forest 
Gale Heights.

Palmy Garland (your customer in the red Pontiac Grand Am)

503-357-9010

From khourym at verizon.net  Wed Jun 17 21:38:56 2009
From: khourym at verizon.net (Martha Khoury)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:38:56 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Salmon Delayed
Message-ID: <6ED619B5-D039-481D-8E04-75DC93C05F57@verizon.net>

Salmon delivery has been postponed one week to Saturday, June 27.

If this causes a change in your order, please let me know by the 24th.

Thanks. Sorry for the delay.

--Martha K.

From braketimecoffee at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 18 08:51:48 2009
From: braketimecoffee at hotmail.com (Glenn Berkheimer)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:51:48 -0600
Subject: [Grovenet] Looking for a bike
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It sounds great.  I am down at the Coffee Shop about 14 hours a day but I will try to come see it ASAP.  Many thanks.  Glenn
http://www.braketimecoffee.com

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:37:26 -0700
> From: Palmy at comcast.net
> To: grovenet at rdrop.com
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Looking for a bike
> 
> Hi Glenn,
> 
> I have a 10 or 12 speed male bike that has been hanging from my garage 
> ceiling unused for the last 15 years.  I keep thinking that I will 
> someday take it for a ride but it's NOT happening.
> 
> You can have it for $60.00.  I live at the top of Lavina Dr. in Forest 
> Gale Heights.
> 
> Palmy Garland (your customer in the red Pontiac Grand Am)
> 
> 503-357-9010
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From hannah at teleport.com  Thu Jun 18 09:25:19 2009
From: hannah at teleport.com (Kristy Gravlin)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:25:19 -0500
Subject: [Grovenet] Political Correctness
In-Reply-To: <a06240806c6601640378b@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <C65FD49F.D83D%hannah@teleport.com>

Every once in a while I brag to my friend about what good, common sense,
thoughts I read on this list. Today she sent us this thought she found
somewhere. Kristy

I would guess this might appeal to the Forest Grove group. A


>> 
>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> I  LOVE WORDS THAT REALLY MEAN SOMETHING!!
>>> 
>>>   Sometimes you are encouraged about our country's future when you see
>>> something like this.  Specifically, there is an annual contest at Texas A&M
>>> University calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary
>>> term.  This year's term was
>>>  
>>> "Political Correctness."
>>>  
>>>  The winner wrote:
>>>  
>>>  "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical
>>> minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which
>>> holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd
>>> by the clean end."
>>>  
>>> (This person has it nailed.)
>>  
>> 
>> 


From a_tom_51 at juno.com  Thu Jun 18 14:00:26 2009
From: a_tom_51 at juno.com (a_tom_51 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:00:26 GMT
Subject: [Grovenet] Salmon Delayed
Message-ID: <20090618.140026.2292.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

Martha,
I'm still in for two fish. That weekend is a little less complicated for me so that's good.
Thanks for your efforts,
Tom Alexander

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Salmon delivery has been postponed one week to Saturday, June 27.

If this causes a change in your order, please let me know by the 24th.

Thanks. Sorry for the delay.

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From mbliss at agora.rdrop.com  Tue Jun 23 20:20:03 2009
From: mbliss at agora.rdrop.com (Meredith Bliss)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:20:03 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Why am I not receiving anything from grovenet?
In-Reply-To: <009001c9f440$7d6e3a70$784aaf50$@net>
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Hi Julie, long time no see! I was wondering about Grovenet myself today and 
checked the archives, nothing there since 6/18. Let's see if this shows up!

On Tuesday 23 June 2009 01:23:36 pm you wrote:
> Hi Bud-
>
> I am not receiving my grovenet mail.
<snip> 
> Julie

----------------------------------------
Just happy to be here, but speaking 
only for myself!
Meredith Bliss --- www.rdrop.com/~mbliss
----------------------------------------

From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Tue Jun 23 20:29:34 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:29:34 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Why am I not receiving anything from grovenet?
In-Reply-To: Meredith Bliss <mbliss@agora.rdrop.com>'s message of Tue, 23
	Jun 2009 20:20:03 -0700
Message-ID: <15358-4A419D9E-3437@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

maybe because there was not anything worth repeating.


From hannah at teleport.com  Tue Jun 23 20:53:31 2009
From: hannah at teleport.com (Kristy Gravlin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:53:31 -0500
Subject: [Grovenet] Nothing worth saying?
In-Reply-To: <COL107-DS107EBF20063215FB56E11AC3370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C6670D6B.DAD9%hannah@teleport.com>




I don?t know, Alan. That?s never stopped us from writing before.  8-)
Kristy

From khourym at verizon.net  Tue Jun 23 21:05:00 2009
From: khourym at verizon.net (Martha Khoury)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:05:00 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Nothing worth saying?
In-Reply-To: <C6670D6B.DAD9%hannah@teleport.com>
References: <C6670D6B.DAD9%hannah@teleport.com>
Message-ID: <C364C988-FA01-4412-8E90-10AC8968892B@verizon.net>

We're all too depressed about the chicken amendment. It did pass, but  
with setbacks and permits. Why can't the city council get it right?  
They had a real opportunity and blew it, IMHO. --Martha K.


On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Kristy Gravlin wrote:

>
>
>
> I don?t know, Alan. That?s never stopped us from writing before.  8-)
> Kristy
> _______________________________________________
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From obrzl at verizon.net  Tue Jun 23 22:37:24 2009
From: obrzl at verizon.net (mark oberzil)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Nothing worth saying?
Message-ID: <619154.96829.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Under the heading of Nothing Worth Saying:
?
I think I solved the clucking poultry problem:
?
I went and painted my chickens red, white, and blue.? Now, every morning and every evening, a crew of 'volunteers' shows up from the city to let them out of the coop or put them back at night.? While one volunteer works the coop, the others stand at attention and salute crisply.? You?should see it, poultry in motion!
?
But one of the red roosters started to fade, though, and turned?kinda pinko.??Seems he was spending way too much time at the henhouse trying to organize the hens not to work for chicken feed.??He finally clucked up once too many?so we?hit him south of the border with a nice axe.? But he boiled up real good and we ate him.? 
After all, ol' Trotsky weren't no fryer.
?
I think my system has worked out pretty good.? While I like Steve's idea, I'm afraid the communal coop might?agitate the chickens, and?turn into?a fluster cluck.

?
Now?here's something we hope you'll really like!?
?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeLw-jWx3-0
?
Mark

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Nothing worth saying?
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 4:05 AM


We're all too depressed about the chicken amendment. It did pass, but? 
with setbacks and permits. Why can't the city council get it right?? 
They had a real opportunity and blew it, IMHO. --Martha K.


On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Kristy Gravlin wrote:

>
>
>
> I don?t know, Alan. That?s never stopped us from writing before.? 8-)
> Kristy
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From feralcattamer at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 24 00:12:11 2009
From: feralcattamer at yahoo.com (Holly T.)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Nothing worth saying?
In-Reply-To: <619154.96829.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <619154.96829.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <744895.11855.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I cant wait to see what Mark posts after Stephanie gets the City Council to make goats legal...

ROTFL,

Holly




________________________________
From: mark oberzil <obrzl at verizon.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 10:37:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Nothing worth saying?

Under the heading of Nothing Worth Saying:
 
I think I solved the clucking poultry problem:
 
I went and painted my chickens red, white, and blue.  Now, every morning and every evening, a crew of 'volunteers' shows up from the city to let them out of the coop or put them back at night.  While one volunteer works the coop, the others stand at attention and salute crisply.  You should see it, poultry in motion!
 
But one of the red roosters started to fade, though, and turned kinda pinko.  Seems he was spending way too much time at the henhouse trying to organize the hens not to work for chicken feed.  He finally clucked up once too many so we hit him south of the border with a nice axe.  But he boiled up real good and we ate him.  
After all, ol' Trotsky weren't no fryer.
 
I think my system has worked out pretty good.  While I like Steve's idea, I'm afraid the communal coop might agitate the chickens, and turn into a fluster cluck.

 
Now here's something we hope you'll really like! 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeLw-jWx3-0
 
Mark

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Nothing worth saying?
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 4:05 AM


We're all too depressed about the chicken amendment. It did pass, but  
with setbacks and permits. Why can't the city council get it right?  
They had a real opportunity and blew it, IMHO. --Martha K.


On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Kristy Gravlin wrote:

>
>
>
> I don?t know, Alan. That?s never stopped us from writing before.  8-)
> Kristy
> _______________________________________________
> GroveNet mailing list
> GroveNet at rdrop.com
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet


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From NoSpam03 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 07:45:56 2009
From: NoSpam03 at comcast.net (Steven)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:45:56 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Nothing worth saying?
In-Reply-To: <744895.11855.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNEELLMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>

will goats be listed as pets or domestic partners?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
> Behalf Of Holly T.
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:12 AM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Nothing worth saying?
> 
> 
> I cant wait to see what Mark posts after Stephanie gets the City 
> Council to make goats legal...
> 
> ROTFL,
> 
> Holly
> 
> 

From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Wed Jun 24 07:55:36 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:55:36 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Nothing worth saying?
In-Reply-To: "Holly T." <feralcattamer@yahoo.com>'s message of Wed,
	24 Jun 2009 00:12:11 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <29607-4A423E68-229@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

Holly wrote....
I cant wait to see what Mark posts after Stephanie gets the City Council
to make goats legal... 
ROTFL, 
 
<----------------
Holly ... do you think that this will make some of us ole goats from the
grove net legal also?

~alan~ still a bit younger old goat than the Judge, Mr Bliss, and Mr ED
~


From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Wed Jun 24 07:57:29 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:57:29 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Nothing worth saying?
In-Reply-To: "Steven" <NoSpam03@comcast.net>'s message of Wed,
	24 Jun 2009 07:45:56 -0700
Message-ID: <29602-4A423ED9-531@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>

Steven ... I guess that will sepend on which side of the fence your
on...


From rab at jurislex.com  Wed Jun 24 12:51:16 2009
From: rab at jurislex.com (Bob Browning)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:51:16 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .
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From jo.david at verizon.net  Wed Jun 24 18:14:34 2009
From: jo.david at verizon.net (David Morelli)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:14:34 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .
In-Reply-To: <4A4283B4.3090709@jurislex.com>
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Message-ID: <977E4CA6-8394-4020-A103-03F809CC709E@verizon.net>

Remember, the Republicans are the party of "family values" who spent  
untold amounts of energy, time and newspaper headlines worrying if a  
politician who had an affair was fit to be a member of the government.

David

On Jun 24, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Bob Browning wrote:

> SC Gov. Mark Sanford admits he's had an affair
>

> by JIM DAVENPORT, Associated Press Writer Jim Davenport, Associated  
> Press Writer 5 mins ago
>
> COLUMBIA, S.C. ? Gov. Mark Sanford admitted Wednesday he's been  
> having an affair with a woman he visited on a secret trip to  
> Argentina and said he'll resign ...
>

> Sanford's announcement came a day after another prominent  
> Republican, Sen. John Ensign of Nevada, apologized to his GOP  
> Senate colleagues after revealing last week that he had an affair  
> with a campaign staffer and was resigning from the GOP leadership.

From NoSpam03 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 19:11:13 2009
From: NoSpam03 at comcast.net (Steven)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:11:13 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .
In-Reply-To: <977E4CA6-8394-4020-A103-03F809CC709E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNCELOMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>

Yup. killing young women never stopped dems like Teddy K.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
> Behalf Of David Morelli
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:15 PM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .
>
>
> Remember, the Republicans are the party of "family values" who spent
> untold amounts of energy, time and newspaper headlines worrying if a
> politician who had an affair was fit to be a member of the government.
>
> David
>
> On Jun 24, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>
> > SC Gov. Mark Sanford admits he's had an affair
> >
>
> > by JIM DAVENPORT, Associated Press Writer Jim Davenport, Associated
> > Press Writer 5 mins ago
> >
> > COLUMBIA, S.C. ? Gov. Mark Sanford admitted Wednesday he's been
> > having an affair with a woman he visited on a secret trip to
> > Argentina and said he'll resign ...
> >
>
> > Sanford's announcement came a day after another prominent
> > Republican, Sen. John Ensign of Nevada, apologized to his GOP
> > Senate colleagues after revealing last week that he had an affair
> > with a campaign staffer and was resigning from the GOP leadership.
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From allnutt at verizon.net  Wed Jun 24 20:23:22 2009
From: allnutt at verizon.net (Katie Allnutt)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:23:22 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .
In-Reply-To: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNCELOMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>
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Ah, the irony of having "Promise Keepers" and the like find that when  
they preach and preach and preach about keeping your pants on, they  
can't understand why the entire republican party becomes a laughing  
stock.

War is peace.  Bomb bomb bomb Iran.
Greed at the top should get tax cuts -  always and repeatedly.
Jobs should be shipped over seas.
If you have 3 affairs/mistresses ala Newt and Giuliani you rise to a  
position of power in the family value party.
And never have regulators inspect peanut processors because dead  
people who ate rotten peanut butter crackers are no longer at any risk.

If there was such a thing as The Mirror of Hypocrisy they would not  
be able to see their own reflection in it.

It all boils down to a philosophy of power. If republicans have power  
then they can do no wrong.  Their mistakes toward their constituents  
are never an issue -heckuva job Brownie!
Their transgressions toward their spouses are never a problem - keep  
your senate seat or your governorship regardless of what you said  
about the president 8 years ago.
Their transgressions toward their politics isn't even much of an  
issue - unless it involves a tax increase or abortion.  Bush I got  
clobbered because he said 'read my lips' and raised taxes.   
Schwartzenegger could be a true 'God' of the party but he messed up  
with taxes, now he is a pariah.
Of course you can run spending up as high as you want to go as long  
as you claim that you didn't. ie Sarah Palin - "I turned down the  
money for the bridge to nowhere" (but only after she started spending  
it).

None of us have any illusions that Democrats are saints, they are  
not.  (And Teddy Kennedy has worked very hard to atone for his  
transgressions, though for many who preach forgiveness, they will  
never be able to forgive him.)

Right now the timing is very unfortunate for the republicans. My  
heart goes out to the wives and children who don't deserve the  
unwanted spot light.  The rest of us can chuckle about the whole  
'promise keeper' political farce but for the families it is a very  
painful and publicly humiliating revelation.  While the republican  
party deserves the scrutiny about the differences between their  
family value declarations and their actions, the families deserve our  
condolences.

Katie

>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet- 
>> bounces at rdrop.com]On
>> Behalf Of David Morelli
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:15 PM
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .
>>
>>
>> Remember, the Republicans are the party of "family values" who spent
>> untold amounts of energy, time and newspaper headlines worrying if a
>> politician who had an affair was fit to be a member of the  
>> government.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>
>>> SC Gov. Mark Sanford admits he's had an affair
>>>
>>
>>> by JIM DAVENPORT, Associated Press Writer Jim Davenport, Associated
>>> Press Writer 5 mins ago
>>>
>>> COLUMBIA, S.C. ? Gov. Mark Sanford admitted Wednesday he's been
>>> having an affair with a woman he visited on a secret trip to
>>> Argentina and said he'll resign ...
>>>
>>
>>> Sanford's announcement came a day after another prominent
>>> Republican, Sen. John Ensign of Nevada, apologized to his GOP
>>> Senate colleagues after revealing last week that he had an affair
>>> with a campaign staffer and was resigning from the GOP leadership.
>> _______________________________________________
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From jo.david at verizon.net  Wed Jun 24 23:33:23 2009
From: jo.david at verizon.net (David Morelli)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:33:23 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .
In-Reply-To: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNCELOMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>
References: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNCELOMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>
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Actually, I think it DID stop him from running as a Democrat  
Presidential candidate.

Yet, being unfaithful didn't stop McCain, Gingrich or Guiliani from  
being considered as Republican Presidential candidates.

Lori Klausutis?

Michael Connell, Raymond Lemme, Paul Wellstone, Mel Carnahan?

On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Steven wrote:

> Yup. killing young women never stopped dems like Teddy K.

From obrzl at verizon.net  Thu Jun 25 10:25:39 2009
From: obrzl at verizon.net (mark oberzil)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:25:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .
Message-ID: <479916.53584.qm@web84206.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Oddly enough, it seems breeding and preaching are two of the most common proclivities,?? -not to mention?fighting- for those of us with the one legged chromosome.? In regard to the first two, it seems an age old question: if we forego one do we get to do the other?

--- On Thu, 6/25/09, David Morelli <jo.david at verizon.net> wrote:


From: David Morelli <jo.david at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 6:33 AM


Actually, I think it DID stop him from running as a Democrat? 
Presidential candidate.

Yet, being unfaithful didn't stop McCain, Gingrich or Guiliani from? 
being considered as Republican Presidential candidates.

Lori Klausutis?

Michael Connell, Raymond Lemme, Paul Wellstone, Mel Carnahan?

On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Steven wrote:

> Yup. killing young women never stopped dems like Teddy K.
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From ljklaus at aol.com  Thu Jun 25 11:10:12 2009
From: ljklaus at aol.com (ljklaus at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:10:12 -0400
Subject: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .
In-Reply-To: <5DA231D0-DEA1-451E-8AE7-B3A51DCEC0C8@verizon.net>
References: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNCELOMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>
	<5DA231D0-DEA1-451E-8AE7-B3A51DCEC0C8@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <8CBC3D7512B826C-5A0-1513@webmail-dh32.sysops.aol.com>

Um...why is my name in this posting?


-----Original Message-----
From: David Morelli <jo.david at verizon.net>
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 24, 2009 11:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .








Actually, I think it DID stop him from running as a Democrat  
Presidential candidate.

Yet, being unfaithful didn't stop McCain, Gingrich or Guiliani from  
being considered as Republican Presidential candidates.

Lori Klausutis?

Michael Connell, Raymond Lemme, Paul Wellstone, Mel Carnahan?

On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Steven wrote:

> Yup. killing young women never stopped dems like Teddy K.
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From jo.david at verizon.net  Thu Jun 25 13:20:18 2009
From: jo.david at verizon.net (David Morelli)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:20:18 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Falling like flies . . . . .
In-Reply-To: <8CBC3D7512B826C-5A0-1513@webmail-dh32.sysops.aol.com>
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	<5DA231D0-DEA1-451E-8AE7-B3A51DCEC0C8@verizon.net>
	<8CBC3D7512B826C-5A0-1513@webmail-dh32.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <2DCAB420-699D-4558-A484-1DDCF7691868@verizon.net>

Not you.  Lori Klausutis doesn't hasn't read any e-mails since she  
died of head injuries while working as an intern for her Republican  
Congressman boyfriend.

David

On Jun 25, 2009, at 11:10 AM, ljklaus at aol.com wrote:

> Um...why is my name in this posting?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Morelli
> ...
> Lori Klausutis?
> ...

> On Jun 24, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Steven wrote:
>
>> Yup. killing young women never stopped dems like Teddy K.

From khourym at verizon.net  Sat Jun 27 13:22:18 2009
From: khourym at verizon.net (Martha Khoury)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:22:18 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Salmon is on its way
Message-ID: <BDAD83A4-419B-496F-878E-6ABD19311350@verizon.net>

Will be here mid afternoon. If you ordered some I'll call you when it  
gets here. --Martha K.
PS Thanks for your patience.


From braketimecoffee at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 27 20:36:13 2009
From: braketimecoffee at hotmail.com (Glenn Berkheimer)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:36:13 -0600
Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . .
In-Reply-To: <4A3400D3.9050802@jurislex.com>
References: <4A3400D3.9050802@jurislex.com>
Message-ID: <SNT116-W4426B5680AA2FF999A612AA9330@phx.gbl>


I am generally one of the last people to say anything about customer service and using our own Forest Grove stores because I really believe we should go local if we can, anyway the other day I decided to get my meds filled at BI MART instead of going out to COSTCO.  I thought I would be supporting local jobs this way.  I don't use any health insurance since the RX is generic and has been around for years and years.  I had just seen my M.D. for my yearly exam and I took it to the pharmacy.  When I went to pay for it I was told it was going to be $47.10.  I thought their was a mistake so I told them what I pay for it at COSTCO so the girl said she would have the pharmacy check and they would match their price if they could.  Not 1 minute later she re appeared to tell me that COSTO's price was $35.90 so they could fill it for that price.  I asked for my RX back and went straight to COSTCO.  I am sitting here looking at my reciept from COSTCO and the price was $8.10.
I was not only about to be over charged but I was lied to as well.

Just because you have insurance, it is this type of practice that is hurting health care and driving people to go to out of town.  My prices are in line with all other coffee shops I think but I also see so many people going to the giants when I see other drive through local coffee shops (downtown) that sell as good as others for the same price.  Why do we, as Forest Grove Citizens, do this.  In my case I was trying to support local jobs but I see so many of us hurting our own families businesses and supporting giants instead.
Glenn


Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:41:07 -0700
From: rab at jurislex.com
To: homeshopping at safeway.com
CC: grovenet at rdrop.com; letters at news.oregonian.com; director at fgchamber.org
Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . .








Every time I go into Safeway here in Forest Grove I am
reminded why my wife Pat and I now do virtually all of our grocery,
pharmacy, and household goods shopping at Fred Meyer and Costco.
Yesterday Pat got the craving for some macaroni salad and, rather than
have to go out of town, she popped into Safeway for a couple of things.
As usual, she paid with her airmiles American Express card.



When we got ready for dinner last night, she realized that there was no
shrink-wrap sealer around the lip of the lid.  But, not thinking much
of it, it got worse when she opened the snap top to find that the
plastic cover over the salad was not sealed on the front and two sides.
While it did not appear that anyone had taken any salad out of the
container, in an abundance of caution we opted to fore go any of her hoped for macaroni salad .



This morning a few minutes after 9:00 am I popped into Safeway to
return the salad. Finding the customer service counter not only
unattended, but the lights above the counter still turned off, I found
an employee to whom I explained our situation and made inquiry as to
where to go to return the salad. I was directed to the other end of the
checker row where, after once again explaining my situation, and the
second person to whom I spoke making inquiry with several of her
co-workers, I was sent back to the customer service counter (the
overhead lights of which were still off) to see a manager. For the
third time I explained my need, showed this person the product,
explained why we choose not to eat it, and, not desiring to tell her
about a foot problem and to have to walk the entire length of the store
to the deli area , noted that I wanted to get a refund. Upon her
request, I then showed her my wife's receipt from the previous day's
purchase.



That's when things got sticky. She immediately asked for the credit
card with which it had been purchased; I assume she was intending to
put the refund back onto the card so that Safeway would save the $0.18
in servicer fee (on the $3.99 purchase price) they paid American
Express. Noting that I did not have the card with me since it was my
wife who made the purchase, she abruptly explained to me that she could
not do the refund. However, after some fairly insistent prompting on my
part, she did note on the receipt that the product had been returned
and that a refund was yet due to my wife.



Now, I realize that 18 cents is not a huge sum of money. However, that
cuts two ways. As someone who used to spend over $600 per month at
Safeway, one would think that they might desire to have me back as a
customer. But, no, I was treated as just another cipher, someone else
to be inconvenienced so they could return to what ever they may have
been doing before I came in. Which, unlike Fred Meyer, often consists
of long lines, several checkers with surly attitudes (though I really
do miss seeing some others), crowded aisles, and dirty floors. Oh, yes,
despite a number of requests, they still play their outside speaker so
loud we can hear it in my office across the parking lot!!



So, I guess I will continue to  drive to Cornelius or to Hillsboro for
my grocery shopping needs -  just one more person going out of town
rather than supporting our local stores. But, it must not matter since,
if Safeway really needed my business, I guess they would work a little
harder to keep me as a customer. Maybe at least 18 cents harder!!



bob browning

forest grove





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From edavie at verizon.net  Sat Jun 27 21:35:37 2009
From: edavie at verizon.net (Ed Davie)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:35:37 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . .
References: <4A3400D3.9050802@jurislex.com>
	<SNT116-W4426B5680AA2FF999A612AA9330@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <19F25FB10D8F45238D12A80781134A44@EDavie>

Glen, is that a generic drug price at Cosco? What 
about Bi-Mart? I normally get my meds through an 
online pharmacy. But occasionally I need something 
once and/or right away so I go to Bi-Mart. I found 
there are more than one generic versions of 
certain drugs and had to ask/insist on the less 
expensive one. I have insurance so it was only 
$5.00. If I had accepted the other generic it 
would have been $45.00 even with the insurance!
Ed
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Glenn Berkheimer
  To: grovenet at rdrop.com
  Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . 
. . .



  I am generally one of the last people to say 
anything about customer service and using our own 
Forest Grove stores because I really believe we 
should go local if we can, anyway the other day I 
decided to get my meds filled at BI MART instead 
of going out to COSTCO.  I thought I would be 
supporting local jobs this way.  I don't use any 
health insurance since the RX is generic and has 
been around for years and years.  I had just seen 
my M.D. for my yearly exam and I took it to the 
pharmacy.  When I went to pay for it I was told it 
was going to be $47.10.  I thought their was a 
mistake so I told them what I pay for it at COSTCO 
so the girl said she would have the pharmacy check 
and they would match their price if they could. 
Not 1 minute later she re appeared to tell me that 
COSTO's price was $35.90 so they could fill it for 
that price.  I asked for my RX back and went 
straight to COSTCO.  I am sitting here looking at 
my reciept from COSTCO and the price was $8.10.
  I was not only about to be over charged but I 
was lied to as well.

  Just because you have insurance, it is this type 
of practice that is hurting health care and 
driving people to go to out of town.  My prices 
are in line with all other coffee shops I think 
but I also see so many people going to the giants 
when I see other drive through local coffee shops 
(downtown) that sell as good as others for the 
same price.  Why do we, as Forest Grove Citizens, 
do this.  In my case I was trying to support local 
jobs but I see so many of us hurting our own 
families businesses and supporting giants instead.
  Glenn


  Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:41:07 -0700
  From: rab at jurislex.com
  To: homeshopping at safeway.com
  CC: grovenet at rdrop.com; 
letters at news.oregonian.com; director at fgchamber.org
  Subject: [Grovenet] Safeway probably isn't . . . 
.








  Every time I go into Safeway here in Forest 
Grove I am
  reminded why my wife Pat and I now do virtually 
all of our grocery,
  pharmacy, and household goods shopping at Fred 
Meyer and Costco.
  Yesterday Pat got the craving for some macaroni 
salad and, rather than
  have to go out of town, she popped into Safeway 
for a couple of things.
  As usual, she paid with her airmiles American 
Express card.



  When we got ready for dinner last night, she 
realized that there was no
  shrink-wrap sealer around the lip of the lid. 
But, not thinking much
  of it, it got worse when she opened the snap top 
to find that the
  plastic cover over the salad was not sealed on 
the front and two sides.
  While it did not appear that anyone had taken 
any salad out of the
  container, in an abundance of caution we opted 
to fore go any of her hoped for macaroni salad .



  This morning a few minutes after 9:00 am I 
popped into Safeway to
  return the salad. Finding the customer service 
counter not only
  unattended, but the lights above the counter 
still turned off, I found
  an employee to whom I explained our situation 
and made inquiry as to
  where to go to return the salad. I was directed 
to the other end of the
  checker row where, after once again explaining 
my situation, and the
  second person to whom I spoke making inquiry 
with several of her
  co-workers, I was sent back to the customer 
service counter (the
  overhead lights of which were still off) to see 
a manager. For the
  third time I explained my need, showed this 
person the product,
  explained why we choose not to eat it, and, not 
desiring to tell her
  about a foot problem and to have to walk the 
entire length of the store
  to the deli area , noted that I wanted to get a 
refund. Upon her
  request, I then showed her my wife's receipt 
from the previous day's
  purchase.



  That's when things got sticky. She immediately 
asked for the credit
  card with which it had been purchased; I assume 
she was intending to
  put the refund back onto the card so that 
Safeway would save the $0.18
  in servicer fee (on the $3.99 purchase price) 
they paid American
  Express. Noting that I did not have the card 
with me since it was my
  wife who made the purchase, she abruptly 
explained to me that she could
  not do the refund. However, after some fairly 
insistent prompting on my
  part, she did note on the receipt that the 
product had been returned
  and that a refund was yet due to my wife.



  Now, I realize that 18 cents is not a huge sum 
of money. However, that
  cuts two ways. As someone who used to spend over 
$600 per month at
  Safeway, one would think that they might desire 
to have me back as a
  customer. But, no, I was treated as just another 
cipher, someone else
  to be inconvenienced so they could return to 
what ever they may have
  been doing before I came in. Which, unlike Fred 
Meyer, often consists
  of long lines, several checkers with surly 
attitudes (though I really
  do miss seeing some others), crowded aisles, and 
dirty floors. Oh, yes,
  despite a number of requests, they still play 
their outside speaker so
  loud we can hear it in my office across the 
parking lot!!



  So, I guess I will continue to  drive to 
Cornelius or to Hillsboro for
  my grocery shopping needs -  just one more 
person going out of town
  rather than supporting our local stores. But, it 
must not matter since,
  if Safeway really needed my business, I guess 
they would work a little
  harder to keep me as a customer. Maybe at least 
18 cents harder!!



  bob browning

  forest grove





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From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Sun Jun 28 10:41:38 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:41:38 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Summary of Life
Message-ID: <7589-4A47AB52-773@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Got this from a cousion who lives down in Sico... 

Summary of Life 
GREAT ?TRUTHS THAT ADULTS HAVE LEARNED:
1) ?Raising teenagers is like nailing jelly to a ?tree.
2) Wrinkles don't hurt.
3) Families ?are like fudge...mostly sweet, with a few ?nuts.
4) Today's mighty oak is just ?yesterday's nut that held its ground.
5) ?Laughing is good exercise. It's like jogging on ?the inside.
6) Middle age is when you choose ?your cereal for the fiber, not the
?toy. 
GREAT ?TRUTHS ABOUT GROWING OLD
1) ?Growing old is mandatory; growing up is ?optional.
2) Forget the health food. I need ?all the preservatives I can get.
3) When you ?fall down, you wonder what else you can do while
?you're down there.
4) You're getting old when ?you get the same sensation from a rocking
chair ?that you once got from a roller coaster.
5) ?It's frustrating when you know all the answers ?but nobody
bothers to ask you the ?questions.
6) Time may be a great healer, but ?it's a lousy beautician.
7) Wisdom comes with ?age, but sometimes age comes alone.
GREAT ?TRUTHS THAT LITTLE CHILDREN HAVE ?LEARNED:
1) ?No matter how hard you try, you can't baptize ?cats.
2) When your Mom is mad at your Dad, ?don't let her brush your hair.
3) If your ?sister hits you, don't hit her back. They always ?catch
the second person.
4) Never ask your ?3-year old brother to hold a tomato.
5) You ?can't trust dogs to watch your food.
6) Don't ?sneeze when someone is cutting your hair.
7) ?Never hold a Dust-Buster and a cat at the same ?time.
8) You can't hide a piece of broccoli ?in a glass of milk.
9) Don't wear polk a-dot ?underwear under white shorts.
10) The best ?place to be when you're sad is Grandpa's ?lap.
THE ?FOUR STAGES OF ?LIFE:
1) ?You believe in Santa ?Claus.
2) You don't ?believe in Santa ?Claus.
3) You are Santa Claus.
4) ?You look like Santa ?Claus.
SUCCESS the True Definition:
At ?age 4 success is . . . . Not piddling in your ?pants.
At age 12 success is . . . Having ?friends.
At age 17 success is . . ???Having a driver's license.
At age 35 success ?is . . . Having money.
At age 50 success is . ?. . Having money.
At age 70 success is . . . ?Having a drivers license.
At age 75 success ?is . . .. Having friends.
At age 80 success ?is . . . Not piddling in your ?pants.
Always remember to ?forget the troubles that pass your ?way; BUT
NEVERforget the blessings ?that come each day.
Have ?a wonderful day with many ! *smiles*

Take ?the time to live!!!
Life is too ?short.
Dance naked. Woo-hoo! ?



From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Mon Jun 29 08:19:05 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:19:05 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] A Hosstyle Greeting For You
Message-ID: <7594-4A48DB69-536@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Hi This Greeting Is Just For You - Good Morning :-
http://exclusives.250free.com/html3/goodmornpurp.html


From steelem at pacificu.edu  Mon Jun 29 08:48:01 2009
From: steelem at pacificu.edu (Steele, Mike)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:48:01 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
In-Reply-To: <7594-4A48DB69-536@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
References: <7594-4A48DB69-536@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <8D94A946E17E9941AE94FC3AE11CAB7E03BBDDD681@everest.ad.pacificu.edu>



Howdy, Grovers...I need a little help with your suggestions for some projects:



A reliable plumber

Who is reliable to repair and sharpen a chain saw?

Who is reliable to do small engine repair/tune up, and sharpen a mower blade?



Finally, I have a request from a recent Pacific graduate, a female, age 22-24 or so, who is returning to the area to work with Americorps' VISTA project at Pacific.  I have an e-mail from her seeking help:


"As many of you know, AmeriCorps is a great way to serve your community and gain new and valuable skills. One of those skills is learning how to live on a small budget. So for this next year I am looking for a place to call home that will work with my budget. If you know of anyone, or you, yourself, need a house sitter or have an extra room, I would be happy to supplement some of the cost of rent for house work, childcare, pet care, gardening, or other skills I have to offer."

This young lady is very bright, mature, thoughtful, reliable, independent, and conscientious.  I can give her an outstanding recommendation.  If you think you can help, please contact me offline:  steelem at pacificu.edu



Thanks! Have a nice day...



--Mike



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From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Mon Jun 29 09:19:57 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:19:57 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
In-Reply-To: "Steele, Mike" <steelem@pacificu.edu>'s message of Mon,
	29 Jun 2009 08:48:01 -0700
Message-ID: <2969-4A48E9AD-649@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

Mike....
Banks Hardware Store is the best place to get these things fixd....
Take them in by Monday and by the end of the week or before they will be
done....
 

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From steelem at pacificu.edu  Mon Jun 29 09:23:19 2009
From: steelem at pacificu.edu (Steele, Mike)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:23:19 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
In-Reply-To: <2969-4A48E9AD-649@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
References: "Steele, Mike" <steelem@pacificu.edu>'s message of Mon,	29 Jun
	2009 08:48:01 -0700 <2969-4A48E9AD-649@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <8D94A946E17E9941AE94FC3AE11CAB7E03BBDDD777@everest.ad.pacificu.edu>

Hi Alan...thanks!  Geri and I had good success when we lived in Banks many years ago...much appreciated...

--Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On Behalf Of Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:20 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions

Mike....
Banks Hardware Store is the best place to get these things fixd....
Take them in by Monday and by the end of the week or before they will be
done....
 



From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Mon Jun 29 09:30:30 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:30:30 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
In-Reply-To: "Steele, Mike" <steelem@pacificu.edu>'s message of Mon,
	29 Jun 2009 08:48:01 -0700
Message-ID: <2966-4A48EC26-1070@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

as for a plumber .... try Five Star Company right across the street from
Banks Hardware in Banks

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From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Mon Jun 29 09:32:13 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
In-Reply-To: "Steele, Mike" <steelem@pacificu.edu>'s message of Mon,
	29 Jun 2009 09:23:19 -0700
Message-ID: <2967-4A48EC8D-913@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

LOL.. if you had such good success in Banks when you lived here .. why
the heck did you move?

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From hannah at teleport.com  Mon Jun 29 09:33:00 2009
From: hannah at teleport.com (Kristy Gravlin)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:33:00 -0500
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
In-Reply-To: <2969-4A48E9AD-649@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <C66E56EC.DCCC%hannah@teleport.com>

They have good plumbers there too. Tim will treat you right!
Kristy


On 6/29/09 11:19 AM, "Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss"
<OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net> wrote:

> Mike....
> Banks Hardware Store is the best place to get these things fixd....
> Take them in by Monday and by the end of the week or before they will be
> done....
>  
> 
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> 
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From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Mon Jun 29 09:35:45 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:35:45 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
In-Reply-To: Kristy Gravlin <hannah@teleport.com>'s message of Mon, 29 Jun
	2009 11:33:00 -0500
Message-ID: <2971-4A48ED61-414@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>

Kristy...
Did you know that the hardware and the plumbing outfits are now separate
companies? 

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From hannah at teleport.com  Mon Jun 29 09:51:09 2009
From: hannah at teleport.com (Kristy Gravlin)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:51:09 -0500
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
In-Reply-To: <2971-4A48ED61-414@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <C66E5B2D.DCD1%hannah@teleport.com>

No, I guess I don?t know that. Are they still working out of the same
building? When I had a major well problem last spring, I called Tim, and
they were there the next day and fixed it without delay. But I didn?t ask if
they were still with the Hardware Store. I am not a good customer there
because I don?t know how to do any of the jobs for which they sell supplies.
I just know that Tim, and the man he sent to look into it, did well by me.
Kristy


On 6/29/09 11:35 AM, "Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss"
<OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net> wrote:

> Kristy...
> Did you know that the hardware and the plumbing outfits are now separate
> companies? 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
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From OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net  Mon Jun 29 09:57:20 2009
From: OleHossTreeFarm at webtv.net (Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:57:20 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
In-Reply-To: Kristy Gravlin <hannah@teleport.com>'s message of Mon, 29 Jun
	2009 11:51:09 -0500
Message-ID: <7593-4A48F270-816@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>

Rhea runs the hardware store, and Tim runs the pump service from their
home, because they need more room.


From obrzl at verizon.net  Mon Jun 29 10:05:12 2009
From: obrzl at verizon.net (mark oberzil)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:05:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
Message-ID: <604971.96261.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


There are some elderly folks in Forest Grove who are trying to stay in their homes.? Try the senior center; there may be someone looking for a live-in.
?
-Mark

--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Steele, Mike <steelem at pacificu.edu> wrote:


From: Steele, Mike <steelem at pacificu.edu>
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 3:48 PM




Howdy, Grovers...I need a little help with your suggestions for some projects:



A reliable plumber

Who is reliable to repair and sharpen a chain saw?

Who is reliable to do small engine repair/tune up, and sharpen a mower blade?



Finally, I have a request from a recent Pacific graduate, a female, age 22-24 or so, who is returning to the area to work with Americorps' VISTA project at Pacific.? I have an e-mail from her seeking help:


"As many of you know, AmeriCorps is a great way to serve your community and gain new and valuable skills. One of those skills is learning how to live on a small budget. So for this next year I am looking for a place to call home that will work with my budget. If you know of anyone, or you, yourself, need a house sitter or have an extra room, I would be happy to supplement some of the cost of rent for house work, childcare, pet care, gardening, or other skills I have to offer."

This young lady is very bright, mature, thoughtful, reliable, independent, and conscientious.? I can give her an outstanding recommendation.? If you think you can help, please contact me offline:? steelem at pacificu.edu



Thanks! Have a nice day...



--Mike



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From ron at ronhowden.com  Mon Jun 29 10:16:50 2009
From: ron at ronhowden.com (Ron Howden)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:16:50 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
Message-ID: <20090629171652.C6DFA24B9A36@barracuda2.peak.org>

Mike,
For chainsaws and mowers check out Chainsaw Wizard at 3016 Raymond st. North of Willimina Ave.
Ron H.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steele, Mike <steelem at pacificu.edu>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:48 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions



Howdy, Grovers...I need a little help with your suggestions for some projects:



A reliable plumber

Who is reliable to repair and sharpen a chain saw?

Who is reliable to do small engine repair/tune up, and sharpen a mower blade?



Finally, I have a request from a recent Pacific graduate, a female, age 22-24 or so, who is returning to the area to work with Americorps' VISTA project at Pacific.  I have an e-mail from her seeking help:


"As many of you know, AmeriCorps is a great way to serve your community and gain new and valuable skills. One of those skills is learning how to live on a small budget. So for this next year I am looking for a place to call home that will work with my budget. If you know of anyone, or you, yourself, need a house sitter or have an extra room, I would be happy to supplement some of the cost of rent for house work, childcare, pet care, gardening, or other skills I have to offer."

This young lady is very bright, mature, thoughtful, reliable, independent, and conscientious.  I can give her an outstanding recommendation.  If you think you can help, please contact me offline:  steelem at pacificu.edu



Thanks! Have a nice day...




[The entire original message is not included]


From g-g-steele at comcast.net  Mon Jun 29 10:20:48 2009
From: g-g-steele at comcast.net (Geri)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:20:48 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] ~Have a good day~
Message-ID: <8DAE301351C84A6D8E5EB1D8C3C64D0D@gerianehzkfhvy>

Loved this:
   

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jedd2FiZTqM

   

 : )  Geri

From steelem at pacificu.edu  Mon Jun 29 11:07:59 2009
From: steelem at pacificu.edu (Steele, Mike)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:07:59 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
In-Reply-To: <604971.96261.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <604971.96261.qm@web84204.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8D94A946E17E9941AE94FC3AE11CAB7E03BA134B2C@everest.ad.pacificu.edu>

Mark...thanks!!  Will do...

--Mike
________________________________________
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On Behalf Of mark oberzil [obrzl at verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:05 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions

There are some elderly folks in Forest Grove who are trying to stay in their homes.  Try the senior center; there may be someone looking for a live-in.

-Mark

--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Steele, Mike <steelem at pacificu.edu> wrote:


From: Steele, Mike <steelem at pacificu.edu>
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 3:48 PM




Howdy, Grovers...I need a little help with your suggestions for some projects:



A reliable plumber

Who is reliable to repair and sharpen a chain saw?

Who is reliable to do small engine repair/tune up, and sharpen a mower blade?



Finally, I have a request from a recent Pacific graduate, a female, age 22-24 or so, who is returning to the area to work with Americorps' VISTA project at Pacific.  I have an e-mail from her seeking help:


"As many of you know, AmeriCorps is a great way to serve your community and gain new and valuable skills. One of those skills is learning how to live on a small budget. So for this next year I am looking for a place to call home that will work with my budget. If you know of anyone, or you, yourself, need a house sitter or have an extra room, I would be happy to supplement some of the cost of rent for house work, childcare, pet care, gardening, or other skills I have to offer."

This young lady is very bright, mature, thoughtful, reliable, independent, and conscientious.  I can give her an outstanding recommendation.  If you think you can help, please contact me offline:  steelem at pacificu.edu



Thanks! Have a nice day...



--Mike



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From steelem at pacificu.edu  Mon Jun 29 11:08:29 2009
From: steelem at pacificu.edu (Steele, Mike)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:08:29 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20090629171652.C6DFA24B9A36@barracuda2.peak.org>
References: <20090629171652.C6DFA24B9A36@barracuda2.peak.org>
Message-ID: <8D94A946E17E9941AE94FC3AE11CAB7E03BA134B2D@everest.ad.pacificu.edu>

Ron...thanks to you, too!  Much appreciated...

--Mike
________________________________________
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On Behalf Of Ron Howden [ron at ronhowden.com]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:16 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions

Mike,
For chainsaws and mowers check out Chainsaw Wizard at 3016 Raymond st. North of Willimina Ave.
Ron H.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steele, Mike <steelem at pacificu.edu>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:48 AM
To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Subject: [Grovenet] Seeking suggestions



Howdy, Grovers...I need a little help with your suggestions for some projects:



A reliable plumber

Who is reliable to repair and sharpen a chain saw?

Who is reliable to do small engine repair/tune up, and sharpen a mower blade?



Finally, I have a request from a recent Pacific graduate, a female, age 22-24 or so, who is returning to the area to work with Americorps' VISTA project at Pacific.  I have an e-mail from her seeking help:


"As many of you know, AmeriCorps is a great way to serve your community and gain new and valuable skills. One of those skills is learning how to live on a small budget. So for this next year I am looking for a place to call home that will work with my budget. If you know of anyone, or you, yourself, need a house sitter or have an extra room, I would be happy to supplement some of the cost of rent for house work, childcare, pet care, gardening, or other skills I have to offer."

This young lady is very bright, mature, thoughtful, reliable, independent, and conscientious.  I can give her an outstanding recommendation.  If you think you can help, please contact me offline:  steelem at pacificu.edu



Thanks! Have a nice day...




[The entire original message is not included]

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From jo.david at verizon.net  Sun Jun 28 20:15:28 2009
From: jo.david at verizon.net (David Morelli)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:15:28 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Summary of Life
In-Reply-To: <7589-4A47AB52-773@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
References: <7589-4A47AB52-773@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <61D1B331-C050-4782-A512-5ED9606A81E7@verizon.net>

Or as a friend if fond of saying, "Life is short.  Eat desert first."

David

On Jun 28, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss wrote:

> Got this from a cousion who lives down in Sico...
>
> Summary of Life
> GREAT  TRUTHS THAT ADULTS HAVE LEARNED:
> 1)  Raising teenagers is like nailing jelly to a  tree.
> 2) Wrinkles don't hurt.
> 3) Families  are like fudge...mostly sweet, with a few  nuts.
> 4) Today's mighty oak is just  yesterday's nut that held its ground.
> 5)  Laughing is good exercise. It's like jogging on  the inside.
> 6) Middle age is when you choose  your cereal for the fiber, not the
>  toy.
> GREAT  TRUTHS ABOUT GROWING OLD
> 1)  Growing old is mandatory; growing up is  optional.
> 2) Forget the health food. I need  all the preservatives I can get.
> 3) When you  fall down, you wonder what else you can do while
>  you're down there.
> 4) You're getting old when  you get the same sensation from a rocking
> chair  that you once got from a roller coaster.
> 5)  It's frustrating when you know all the answers  but nobody
> bothers to ask you the  questions.
> 6) Time may be a great healer, but  it's a lousy beautician.
> 7) Wisdom comes with  age, but sometimes age comes alone.
> GREAT  TRUTHS THAT LITTLE CHILDREN HAVE  LEARNED:
> 1)  No matter how hard you try, you can't baptize  cats.
> 2) When your Mom is mad at your Dad,  don't let her brush your hair.
> 3) If your  sister hits you, don't hit her back. They always  catch
> the second person.
> 4) Never ask your  3-year old brother to hold a tomato.
> 5) You  can't trust dogs to watch your food.
> 6) Don't  sneeze when someone is cutting your hair.
> 7)  Never hold a Dust-Buster and a cat at the same  time.
> 8) You can't hide a piece of broccoli  in a glass of milk.
> 9) Don't wear polk a-dot  underwear under white shorts.
> 10) The best  place to be when you're sad is Grandpa's  lap.
> THE  FOUR STAGES OF  LIFE:
> 1)  You believe in Santa  Claus.
> 2) You don't  believe in Santa  Claus.
> 3) You are Santa Claus.
> 4)  You look like Santa  Claus.
> SUCCESS the True Definition:
> At  age 4 success is . . . . Not piddling in your  pants.
> At age 12 success is . . . Having  friends.
> At age 17 success is . .    Having a driver's license.
> At age 35 success  is . . . Having money.
> At age 50 success is .  . . Having money.
> At age 70 success is . . .  Having a drivers license.
> At age 75 success  is . . .. Having friends.
> At age 80 success  is . . . Not piddling in your  pants.
> Always remember to  forget the troubles that pass your  way; BUT
> NEVERforget the blessings  that come each day.
> Have  a wonderful day with many ! *smiles*
>
> Take  the time to live!!!
> Life is too  short.
> Dance naked. Woo-hoo!
>
>
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From allnutt at verizon.net  Mon Jun 29 12:22:40 2009
From: allnutt at verizon.net (Katie Allnutt)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:22:40 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] Summary of Life
In-Reply-To: <61D1B331-C050-4782-A512-5ED9606A81E7@verizon.net>
References: <7589-4A47AB52-773@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>
	<61D1B331-C050-4782-A512-5ED9606A81E7@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <2A713648-4D6E-4459-8C59-863AD608A345@verizon.net>

Perhaps as grovenuts we should change it to, 'Life is short. Eat  
salmon from Martha first.'

It was very yummy.

Katie

On Jun 28, 2009, at 8:15 PM, David Morelli wrote:

> Or as a friend if fond of saying, "Life is short.  Eat desert first."
>
> David
>
> On Jun 28, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss wrote:
>
>> Got this from a cousion who lives down in Sico...
>>
>> Summary of Life
>> GREAT  TRUTHS THAT ADULTS HAVE LEARNED:
>> 1)  Raising teenagers is like nailing jelly to a  tree.
>> 2) Wrinkles don't hurt.
>> 3) Families  are like fudge...mostly sweet, with a few  nuts.
>> 4) Today's mighty oak is just  yesterday's nut that held its ground.
>> 5)  Laughing is good exercise. It's like jogging on  the inside.
>> 6) Middle age is when you choose  your cereal for the fiber, not the
>>  toy.
>> GREAT  TRUTHS ABOUT GROWING OLD
>> 1)  Growing old is mandatory; growing up is  optional.
>> 2) Forget the health food. I need  all the preservatives I can get.
>> 3) When you  fall down, you wonder what else you can do while
>>  you're down there.
>> 4) You're getting old when  you get the same sensation from a rocking
>> chair  that you once got from a roller coaster.
>> 5)  It's frustrating when you know all the answers  but nobody
>> bothers to ask you the  questions.
>> 6) Time may be a great healer, but  it's a lousy beautician.
>> 7) Wisdom comes with  age, but sometimes age comes alone.
>> GREAT  TRUTHS THAT LITTLE CHILDREN HAVE  LEARNED:
>> 1)  No matter how hard you try, you can't baptize  cats.
>> 2) When your Mom is mad at your Dad,  don't let her brush your hair.
>> 3) If your  sister hits you, don't hit her back. They always  catch
>> the second person.
>> 4) Never ask your  3-year old brother to hold a tomato.
>> 5) You  can't trust dogs to watch your food.
>> 6) Don't  sneeze when someone is cutting your hair.
>> 7)  Never hold a Dust-Buster and a cat at the same  time.
>> 8) You can't hide a piece of broccoli  in a glass of milk.
>> 9) Don't wear polk a-dot  underwear under white shorts.
>> 10) The best  place to be when you're sad is Grandpa's  lap.
>> THE  FOUR STAGES OF  LIFE:
>> 1)  You believe in Santa  Claus.
>> 2) You don't  believe in Santa  Claus.
>> 3) You are Santa Claus.
>> 4)  You look like Santa  Claus.
>> SUCCESS the True Definition:
>> At  age 4 success is . . . . Not piddling in your  pants.
>> At age 12 success is . . . Having  friends.
>> At age 17 success is . .    Having a driver's license.
>> At age 35 success  is . . . Having money.
>> At age 50 success is .  . . Having money.
>> At age 70 success is . . .  Having a drivers license.
>> At age 75 success  is . . .. Having friends.
>> At age 80 success  is . . . Not piddling in your  pants.
>> Always remember to  forget the troubles that pass your  way; BUT
>> NEVERforget the blessings  that come each day.
>> Have  a wonderful day with many ! *smiles*
>>
>> Take  the time to live!!!
>> Life is too  short.
>> Dance naked. Woo-hoo!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GroveNet mailing list
>> GroveNet at rdrop.com
>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/grovenet
>
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From braketimecoffee at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 29 12:39:30 2009
From: braketimecoffee at hotmail.com (Glenn Berkheimer)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:39:30 -0600
Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
In-Reply-To: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNGEJFMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>
References: <511694.44653.qm@web84203.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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Can one of please run for City Council so maybe we have a chance to have someone on it that is not a politician or one that wants to be one.  To me they all need to be impeached.
Just a suggestion./

> From: NoSpam03 at comcast.net
> To: grovenet at rdrop.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:10:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
> 
> The tyrant in the grove.
> 
> Best description since the time he tried to tax the property of businesses
> except his own.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com]On
> Behalf Of mark oberzil
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56 PM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
> 
> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
> 
> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
> 
> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes the
> government with its hand out?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
> 
> 
> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a Residential
> Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city limits
> raising chickens today.  But since most of these homeowners don't have
> roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.
> 
> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some
> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this becomes a
> problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured as a
> result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a
> nuisance.  With chickens, there's really no incentive for a homeowner to
> obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are
> unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply
> forgo the cost of obtaining a permit.  Plus with chickens, homeowners
> realize they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted
> more so to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and
> eating the chickens.
> 
> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for chickens,
> other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.  But maybe
> the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be, for the
> city coffers.  And no, we don't own any chickens.  :-)
> 
> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
> 
> Question: who manages Council meetings?  Sets & publishes the agendas?
> Publishes minutes?
> 
> Allen Warren
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
> 
> WHAT??!!
> 
> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
> 
> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
> 
> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
> already and REJECTED it?
> 
> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly that
> I missed all the important stuff.
> And the mayor talks way too much.
> 
> --Martha K.
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
> 
> > The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
> > public readings before the vote.  The first reading was Monday and
> > the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
> > meeting.  Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
> > proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
> > announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that single
> > item.  People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
> > area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
> > Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.  There may also
> > be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
> > legislation.
> >
> > David
> >
> > On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
> >
> >>
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From whatsupy2k at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 29 14:18:11 2009
From: whatsupy2k at yahoo.com (Vickie Madeoneup)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:18:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Grovenet] Summary of Life
Message-ID: <812220.22135.qm@web112411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

what is stressed spelled backwards

I agree, eat dessert 1st

Vickie



        
   

--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Katie Allnutt <allnutt at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Katie Allnutt <allnutt at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Summary of Life
To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 12:22 PM

Perhaps as grovenuts we should change it to, 'Life is short. Eat? 
salmon from Martha first.'

It was very yummy.

Katie

On Jun 28, 2009, at 8:15 PM, David Morelli wrote:

> Or as a friend if fond of saying, "Life is short.? Eat desert first."
>
> David
>
> On Jun 28, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Alan Domenghini aka an OleHoss wrote:
>
>> Got this from a cousion who lives down in Sico...
>>
>> Summary of Life
>> GREAT? TRUTHS THAT ADULTS HAVE LEARNED:
>> 1)? Raising teenagers is like nailing jelly to a? tree.
>> 2) Wrinkles don't hurt.
>> 3) Families? are like fudge...mostly sweet, with a few? nuts.
>> 4) Today's mighty oak is just? yesterday's nut that held its ground.
>> 5)? Laughing is good exercise. It's like jogging on? the inside.
>> 6) Middle age is when you choose? your cereal for the fiber, not the
>>? toy.
>> GREAT? TRUTHS ABOUT GROWING OLD
>> 1)? Growing old is mandatory; growing up is? optional.
>> 2) Forget the health food. I need? all the preservatives I can get.
>> 3) When you? fall down, you wonder what else you can do while
>>? you're down there.
>> 4) You're getting old when? you get the same sensation from a rocking
>> chair? that you once got from a roller coaster.
>> 5)? It's frustrating when you know all the answers? but nobody
>> bothers to ask you the? questions.
>> 6) Time may be a great healer, but? it's a lousy beautician.
>> 7) Wisdom comes with? age, but sometimes age comes alone.
>> GREAT? TRUTHS THAT LITTLE CHILDREN HAVE? LEARNED:
>> 1)? No matter how hard you try, you can't baptize? cats.
>> 2) When your Mom is mad at your Dad,? don't let her brush your hair.
>> 3) If your? sister hits you, don't hit her back. They always? catch
>> the second person.
>> 4) Never ask your? 3-year old brother to hold a tomato.
>> 5) You? can't trust dogs to watch your food.
>> 6) Don't? sneeze when someone is cutting your hair.
>> 7)? Never hold a Dust-Buster and a cat at the same? time.
>> 8) You can't hide a piece of broccoli? in a glass of milk.
>> 9) Don't wear polk a-dot? underwear under white shorts.
>> 10) The best? place to be when you're sad is Grandpa's? lap.
>> THE? FOUR STAGES OF? LIFE:
>> 1)? You believe in Santa? Claus.
>> 2) You don't? believe in Santa? Claus.
>> 3) You are Santa Claus.
>> 4)? You look like Santa? Claus.
>> SUCCESS the True Definition:
>> At? age 4 success is . . . . Not piddling in your? pants.
>> At age 12 success is . . . Having? friends.
>> At age 17 success is . .? ? Having a driver's license.
>> At age 35 success? is . . . Having money.
>> At age 50 success is .? . . Having money.
>> At age 70 success is . . .? Having a drivers license.
>> At age 75 success? is . . .. Having friends.
>> At age 80 success? is . . . Not piddling in your? pants.
>> Always remember to? forget the troubles that pass your? way; BUT
>> NEVERforget the blessings? that come each day.
>> Have? a wonderful day with many ! *smiles*
>>
>> Take? the time to live!!!
>> Life is too? short.
>> Dance naked. Woo-hoo!
>>
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From jo.david at verizon.net  Mon Jun 29 23:07:16 2009
From: jo.david at verizon.net (David Morelli)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:07:16 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] ~Have a good day~
In-Reply-To: <8DAE301351C84A6D8E5EB1D8C3C64D0D@gerianehzkfhvy>
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Message-ID: <4B0754BA-4DAB-4181-B3C6-0974F4AA7A67@verizon.net>

So, are you going to try it on the Max?

David

On Jun 29, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Geri wrote:

> Loved this:
>
>
>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jedd2FiZTqM
>
>
>
>  : )  Geri
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From NoSpam03 at comcast.net  Tue Jun 30 08:15:12 2009
From: NoSpam03 at comcast.net (Steven)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:15:12 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] ~Have a good day~
In-Reply-To: <4B0754BA-4DAB-4181-B3C6-0974F4AA7A67@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNAENMMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>

I was riding the bus a couple of months ago and was just enjoying the ride.
I started talking to a little boy in the seat behind me. His dad said, "you
don't ride very often."
I asked how he knew.
"You are smiling and looking around. Everyone else just looks down."

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of David Morelli
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:07 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] ~Have a good day~
>
>
> So, are you going to try it on the Max?
>
> David
>
> On Jun 29, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Geri wrote:
>
> > Loved this:
> >
> >
> >   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jedd2FiZTqM
> >
> >
> >
> >  : )  Geri
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From jo.david at verizon.net  Tue Jun 30 20:02:31 2009
From: jo.david at verizon.net (David Morelli)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:02:31 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] ~Have a good day~
In-Reply-To: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNAENMMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>
References: <FBEAKAJNIJPKEDCBPHFNAENMMAAA.NoSpam03@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2B3A8021-1E54-436F-9CA9-3597779C8B7D@verizon.net>

Yes, too true.

We are conditioned to allow people to have their private space in  
public spaces by ignoring them.  So, some people insist on being  
noticed through loud noises like the old boom boxes or the newer cell  
phone conversations.

In the past, if someone jabbered endlessly to empty air we presumed  
that they were out of touch with reality.  They weren't all there.   
Now, thanks to cell phones, they are out of touch with ... locality.   
They aren't all here.

David

On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Steven wrote:

> I was riding the bus a couple of months ago and was just enjoying  
> the ride.  I started talking to a little boy in the seat behind me.  
> His dad said, "you
> don't ride very often."
> I asked how he knew.
> "You are smiling and looking around. Everyone else just looks down."

From jo.david at verizon.net  Tue Jun 30 21:15:44 2009
From: jo.david at verizon.net (David Morelli)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:15:44 -0700
Subject: [Grovenet] New Use for Windex
References: <EA8FD94AA649D349A82A409E2A54217A038A2835@FKIMLKI01.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil>
Message-ID: <8C455A0E-B6C0-4368-986E-C04982AB40FC@verizon.net>


New Use for Windex

I haven't checked snopes.com to see if this actually works or not . . .

But they say that if you ever get the sudden urge to run around  
naked, you should sniff some Windex first.

It'll keep you from streaking!

Received from Sharon Whalen.