[Grovenet] What the cluck?

Thu Jun 11 08:14:04 PDT 2009

I read an Oregonian article about just such a thing in SE Portland.  
Frankly, I want to keep mine to myself. The area in the article seemed  
to be much higher density. --MK

On Jun 11, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Steve Jerrett wrote:

> At the risk of egging this discussion on, maybe instead of housing  
> chickens
> at individual  residences,  a system of neighborhood  coops could be  
> placed
> throughout the community, along the lines of a community garden.  
> Small plots
> could be strategically located in several areas around the city  
> containing
> small individual coops that would be assigned to families. These  
> clucker
> clusters could be located in areas that would have minimal noise and  
> odor
> impact while still being conveniently located close to neighborhoods.
>
> I'm not yoking or trying to  ruffle anyone's feathers here.  Communal
> chicken coops would be a wonderful means of offsetting the deleterious
> effects of the giant flag and all of it's negative connotations.  
> Anyone
> embarrassed of the impression that outsiders may acquire from the  
> flag's
> presence can point out the communal coops as a progressive community
> attribute.
>
> Steve "thank God I'm a country boy" Jerrett
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Holly T." <feralcattamer at yahoo.com>
> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
>
>
>> Yep, that's a pretty astute summary of what's been goin' down  
>> lately in
>> The Grove, Mark.
>>
>> I'd love to see the flag come down and replaced by another of equal  
>> size
>> that has a great, big chicken appliqued on it. One that holds a  
>> sign that
>> reads, "Cluck permits and license fees!"
>>
>> Holly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: mark oberzil <obrzl at verizon.net>
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56:29 PM
>> Subject: [Grovenet] What the cluck?
>>
>> Lemme see if I got this straight (I've been out of town):
>>
>> Put up a giant flag in a public place -no permit required.
>>
>> Put a few pullets out of sight on your own property, and here comes  
>> the
>> government with its hand out?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Allen Warren <osubuckeye59 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>> To: "Forest Grove local interests list" <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
>>
>>
>> It's interesting how the Council is reconsidering requiring a  
>> Residential
>> Permit, especially since there are already homeowners within city  
>> limits
>> raising chickens today.  But since most of these homeowners don't  
>> have
>> roosters, neighbors don't readily notice chickens in the vicinity.
>>
>> All pets are "supposed" to be licensed, but truth is there is some
>> percentage of pet owners who never license their pets, and this  
>> becomes a
>> problem when said pets are found wandering the streets or captured  
>> as a
>> result of the pet attacking another pet/person or the pet being a
>> nuisance.  With chickens, there's really no incentive for a  
>> homeowner to
>> obtain a permit for the chickens and, again, if the chickens are
>> unnoticeable/undetected, there will be some homeowners who simply  
>> forgo
>> the cost of obtaining a permit.  Plus with chickens, homeowners  
>> realize
>> they need to do everything possible to keep them caged/restricted  
>> more so
>> to do with preventing the likes of raccoons from getting in and  
>> eating the
>> chickens.
>>
>> I truly don't understand the logic of Residential Permits for  
>> chickens,
>> other than the City would then know who has/has not chickens.  But  
>> maybe
>> the only logic is to get additional monies, however small they be,  
>> for the
>> city coffers.  And no, we don't own any chickens.  :-)
>>
>> Maybe I'll show up at the next meeting to find out details.
>>
>> Question: who manages Council meetings?  Sets & publishes the  
>> agendas?
>> Publishes minutes?
>>
>> Allen Warren
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Martha Khoury <khourym at verizon.net>
>> To: Forest Grove local interests list <grovenet at rdrop.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:21:57 AM
>> Subject: [Grovenet] Chicken Amendment
>>
>> WHAT??!!
>>
>> Did I hear you say they are back to permits for the residential zone?
>>
>> Didn't they hear me say... "minimal bureaucracy?"
>>
>> Did someone mention that the staff had worked through that idea
>> already and REJECTED it?
>>
>> I love TriMet, but that guy coming threw us off schedule so badly  
>> that
>> I missed all the important stuff.
>> And the mayor talks way too much.
>>
>> --Martha K.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David Morelli wrote:
>>
>>> The chicken legislation is not an "emergency" so there will be two
>>> public readings before the vote.  The first reading was Monday and
>>> the next reading was scheduled, likely for the next regular council
>>> meeting.  Because there was a change to the area impacted by the
>>> proposed permit process that was not in the originally published
>>> announcement, they have extended the testimony period for that  
>>> single
>>> item.  People may provide written comment on the expansion of the
>>> area subject to permits from the Commercial Zone to both the
>>> Commercial Zone and the Single Family Residence Zone.  There may  
>>> also
>>> be public testimony on that single item at the next hearing on the
>>> legislation.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Bob Browning wrote:
>>>
>>>>
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