[Grovenet] Lies ....... lies.... by the liberals

[David Morelli]

Hi, nice of you to come back to Grovenet.

I have a few observations as well.


On May 14, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Jamsm at aol.com wrote:
>
> AND my half cent worth...
>
> CHANGE!  Yes we need change in the Great United States of   
> America.  We need to role the clock back and get principles and  
> morality back in the
> people and country.

I agree whole heartedly.  The last eight years of corruption has been  
terrible.  Torture, bombing, invasion, graft, etc.
>
> The current financial crises on wall street, in big business, and  
> even with the lowly home owner that bought/borrowed more than they  
> can  repay reflect this lack of moral principles.  It is all related!

Yes, greed and deception in the financial industry had created real  
problems for the country.  The misrepresentation and fraud by both  
sides of many transactions can be traced to individual action by  
people who didn't have a good moral compass.  You would expect  
professional money lenders and professional investors to recognize  
the financial capacity of the prospective borrowers, and in reality  
they did.  That is why so much of the "toxic loans" were bundled and  
passed on.  They didn't want to get caught holding the bag.
>
> As is typical, the Utopian seekers continue to attempt  to change  
> our great country to the worse.  The United States of  America was  
> founded on Christian values and principles. It surely was not   
> founded on 'anything goes', a 'me me'  or a 'I can do whatever I  
> want so  long as it doesn't bother my neighbor'.  Oh, lets make it  
> mandatory that  everyone has equal wealth!  Got news for you - Star  
> Trek is a fictional  story.

The Old Testament does push for Israelites to kill the inhabitants of  
Palestine, and it does command Israelites to keep apart from the  
earlier inhabitants.  That doesn't make killing native populations  
and extorting their property a "Christian" value.  The revolution  
that produced the United States came in part because American  
colonists wanted to push through the Cumberland Gap and settle on  
land reserved to the native population by the English crown.  The  
"Manifest Destiny" that carried American settlers from sea to shining  
sea over the lives and land of the natives was crouched in "Christian  
virtue", but I really doubt that Jesus would have recognized it.   
Since the Old Testament is a Hebrew document, and it justified our  
national growth, we should call this a country founded on Hebrew values.

> ...
> Years ago, many laws were enacted by the states that prohibit acts  
> and conduct that the homosexual community participate in.

I happen to think homosexuality is counter productive to a society,  
so I don't support its practice.  That said, I was living during the  
time that it was illegal in some states for a man and woman to  
marry.  If they were in love and wanted to live together, they were  
obligated to live in sin because of those state laws.  I hope you  
don't support the re-establishment of those laws.  BTW, It didn't  
apply to all men and all women, just those who were deemed to belong  
to "different races".  I guess it was another example of the Hebrew  
virtues this country as founded upon.
> ...
> It is obvious that you cannot legislate morality.  Thus, we need   
> to teach and bring morality back into our society- that starts in  
> the home,  Church and schools.  ...  Many churches today may claim  
> Christianity, but in fact are  anything but.

Jesus did a good job of describing his values in the Gospels.   
Unfortunately, not too many people seem to have read them.  Paul  
certainly didn't.  He completely missed the part that says

"41: Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from  
me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his  
angels:
42: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and  
ye gave me no drink:
43: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me  
not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44: Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee  
an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in  
prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you,  
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not  
to me.
46: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the  
righteous into life eternal. "

Bye

David