[Grovenet] who wins in Wisconsin?

Steele, Mike steelem at pacificu.edu
Thu Sep 1 09:11:06 PDT 2011


Adam, I got quite a few hits on a bing search for Wisconsin charter schools.  Plenty to grope through there.  I'm not particularly close to the issue.  "School choice" can be used as a polite way to say "segregation."  But that is also not true across the board.

Oh well...

--Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] On Behalf Of Adam Mayer
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [Grovenet] who wins in Wisconsin?

I'm not familiar with the Wisconsin school system, is there competition with the public schools?

Adam

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:52 AM, redwagon <redwagonfun at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd say you hit the nail on the head.
>
> In addition, it seems we are traveling down quite a hole.  The R's are 
> doing their best to erode pay and benefits of anyone living a 
> comfortable lifestyle - it becomes a downward spiral affecting 
> everyone.  It gives those in power, license to demean and treat 
> everyone badly.
>
> Wouldn't it be better to try to raise everyone up to good pay and benefits?
> Wouldn't everyone benefit?  Isn't that what good competition should be 
> about?
>
> Marian
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steele, Mike
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:19 AM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
>  Subject: Re: [Grovenet] who wins in Wisconsin?
>
> One wonders why the Rs are so indifferent to, or hostile to, the life 
> of the mind.  Is education in itself a threat to their "program"?
>
> --Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com [mailto:grovenet-bounces at rdrop.com] 
> On Behalf Of Walt Wentz
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:45 AM
> To: Forest Grove local interests list
> Subject: [Grovenet] who wins in Wisconsin?
>
> Interesting article at  http://www.care2.com/causes/wisconsin-
> teachers-retire-en-masse-in-response-to-cuts.html#ixzz1WiD0xhEs
>
>
> When Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker and his GOP cronies in the 
> Legislature strong-armed through a union-busting bill, they touted the 
> effects it would have on the free market. Well, the market has spoken, 
> and it's not happy. Associate Press reported today that teachers in 
> Wisconsin are retiring at twice the normal rate in response to budget 
> cuts that affect their benefits and ability to collectively bargain.
>
> Though many public sectors in Wisconsin are seeing more retirements 
> than usual, for schools this is especially problematic, as fewer 
> teachers means even larger class sizes. It's quickly turning into a 
> veritable teacher shortage; the district of Beloit, for example, has 
> seen 10% of their teachers retire, meaning that they have far more 
> vacancies than they can reasonably hope to fill before the year starts.
>
> Perhaps an even bigger problem is that most of the retirements are 
> coming from veteran teachers, who have been in the system for years.
> Green Bay German teacher Ginny Fleck is quoted by AP as saying, "All 
> of the leadership is gone. Some of these younger people who come in 
> need help from the older teachers and they are gone. Plus, the morale 
> is really down." Fleck goes on to say that one reason why she 
> considered leaving was the economics: if she was to stay as a teacher, 
> the hit she would take would have been so large that she would have 
> lost $8,000...
>
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