From oeva-list-admin Sun Oct 13 22:51:45 2002 Received: from mx.spiritone.com (mx.spiritone.com [216.99.221.5]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with SMTP id g9E5piMM006397 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:51:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rosso@bad-seed.org) Received: (qmail 6482 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2002 05:51:44 -0000 Received: (ofmipd 216.99.213.165); 14 Oct 2002 05:51:22 -0000 Date: 13 Oct 2002 22:51:55 -0700 Message-Id: <0BCD4F29-DF39-11D6-A2F2-00039344DDD6@bad-seed.org> From: "...Ross..." To: oeva-list@oeva.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Subject: [Oeva-list] Anyone want a logo? Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: I'm not sure if anyone would be interested but I had some thoughts about a logo for the organization. If anyone would be interested in seeing it, let me know. (I just subscribed to this list tonight, so I don't know the traffic volume on here.) (I'm the guy who was sitting next to Marshal last Thursday...) ...Ross... -- What should I do with my life? "Agitate. Agitate, Agitate." - Frederick Douglass From oeva-list-admin Mon Oct 14 11:32:48 2002 Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9EIWmMM019837 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9EITfBV032476; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:29:41 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.11.6) id g9EIWlx27099; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:32:47 -0700 Message-Id: <200210141832.g9EIWlx27099@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Anyone want a logo? To: rosso@bad-seed.org (...Ross...) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:32:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ralph Merwin" Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: from "...Ross..." at Oct 13, 2002 10:51:55 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: ...Ross... writes: > > I'm not sure if anyone would be interested but I had some thoughts about > a logo for the organization. If anyone would be interested in seeing it, > let me know. (I just subscribed to this list tonight, so I don't know > the traffic volume on here.) Ross, The volume is very low - I think your's is the first posting to the OEVAo list. I'd be interested to see what you had in mind for an OEVA logo. Does it tie into the EAA logo at all? Now that we're a chapter we can use the EAA logo as a basis if we want. Ralph (The other guy sitting next to Marshall last Thursday...) From oeva-list-admin Mon Oct 14 20:25:40 2002 Received: from mx.spiritone.com (mx.spiritone.com [216.99.221.5]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with SMTP id g9F3PdMM015244 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:25:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oeva@bad-seed.org) Received: (qmail 4023 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2002 03:25:39 -0000 Received: (ofmipd 216.99.213.165); 15 Oct 2002 03:25:17 -0000 Date: 14 Oct 2002 12:18:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Ross Olson" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Anyone want a logo? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200210141832.g9EIWlx27099@shell1.aracnet.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:32 AM, Ralph Merwin wrote: > The volume is very low - I think your's is the first posting to the > OEVAo > list. Well, then let me be the first to welcome me. :) > I'd be interested to see what you had in mind for an OEVA logo. Does it > tie into the EAA logo at all? Now that we're a chapter we can use the > EAA logo as a basis if we want. Funny you should mention that as I specifically wanted to pick up that theme: http://www.ordersomewherechaos.com/temp/oeva-1line.gif http://www.ordersomewherechaos.com/temp/oeva-2line.gif http://www.ordersomewherechaos.com/temp/oeva-vertical.gif I'm a graphic designer by training, so I've got access to a lot of tools and I can make this available for the newsletter as well as the web site if you guys are interested. I really don't want to step on anyone's toes with this, but I thought perhaps this could be used to generate some discussion. ...Ross... -- What should I do with my life? "Agitate. Agitate, Agitate." - Frederick Douglass From oeva-list-admin Tue Oct 15 15:30:30 2002 Received: from pgn.com ([198.107.240.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with SMTP id g9FMUUMM004789 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:30:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rick_Durst@pgn.com) Received: from WIZ-Message_Server by pgn.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:30:22 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:30:20 -0700 From: "Rick Durst" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id g9FMUUMM004805 Subject: [Oeva-list] Charging problem with my car. Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: I am experiencing a problem with my car. I have 2 year old Trojan 125 batteries and a zivan ng-3 charger used on 240 volts. The charger has worked great since I put it in in December last year. My amphour meter shows 70-80 ah discharged after I drive to work and after it charges, it shows that it put back in 130-140 ah. I realize there is some in efficiency in the charging and that some of that goes back in and heats up the battery...etc.... but it this too much? I was thinking maybe 15% at the most 20%..? The last few days, the charger will beep and blink a green light which in the manual it means that the time shut off activates because it is not reaching the correct voltage at the end of either the constant current part of the charge or not reaching the low current setting within the alloted time for the constant voltage part of the charge. Does this indicate a possible problem with a few cells or ???? My AH meter doesnt have the logging feature, so I don't know exactly what is really happening. Any help or ideas would be great...Thanks I am the one who didn't sit near Marshall at all because I have missed the last few meetings. >>> oeva-list-request@oeva.org 10/14/02 12:00PM >>> Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request@oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-admin@oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Anyone want a logo? (...Ross...) 2. Re: Anyone want a logo? (Ralph Merwin) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: 13 Oct 2002 22:51:55 -0700 From: "...Ross..." To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Anyone want a logo? I'm not sure if anyone would be interested but I had some thoughts about a logo for the organization. If anyone would be interested in seeing it, let me know. (I just subscribed to this list tonight, so I don't know the traffic volume on here.) (I'm the guy who was sitting next to Marshal last Thursday...) ...Ross... -- What should I do with my life? "Agitate. Agitate, Agitate." - Frederick Douglass --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Anyone want a logo? To: rosso@bad-seed.org (...Ross...) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:32:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ralph Merwin" Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org ...Ross... writes: > > I'm not sure if anyone would be interested but I had some thoughts about > a logo for the organization. If anyone would be interested in seeing it, > let me know. (I just subscribed to this list tonight, so I don't know > the traffic volume on here.) Ross, The volume is very low - I think your's is the first posting to the OEVAo list. I'd be interested to see what you had in mind for an OEVA logo. Does it tie into the EAA logo at all? Now that we're a chapter we can use the EAA logo as a basis if we want. Ralph (The other guy sitting next to Marshall last Thursday...) --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest From oeva-list-admin Thu Oct 31 20:53:36 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe108.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.101]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA14rars035192 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:53:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unclerich60@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:53:30 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.225.115.14] From: "Richard Millhouse" To: "oreelect" Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:45:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2811E.723E9060" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2002 04:53:30.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FD8AA30:01C28162] Subject: [Oeva-list] battery heaters Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2811E.723E9060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable J.C. Whitney has some 120 volt battery blankets for about $20 for a 36 in= ch one. They wrap around and fasten with velcro. Just thought you might l= ike to know. I recently bought an older conversion-80 Mazda rx-7, and am = in the process of getting it roadworthy. Of course, it needs new batterie= s! It had 18 trojan 105's, but I'm undecided what to replace them with.Th= anks. Uncle Rich in Central Oregon ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2811E.723E9060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
J.C. Whitney h= as some 120 volt battery blankets for about $20 for a 36 inch one. They w= rap around and fasten with velcro. Just thought you might like to know. I= recently bought an older conversion-80 Mazda rx-7, and am in the process= of getting it roadworthy. Of course, it needs new batteries! It had 18 t= rojan 105's, but I'm undecided what to replace them with.Thanks.
Uncle= Rich in Central Oregon
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2811E.723E9060-- From oeva-list-admin Fri Nov 1 12:44:01 2002 Received: from pgn.com ([198.107.240.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA1Ki1Vh095710 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:44:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rick_Durst@pgn.com) Received: from WIZ-Message_Server by pgn.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 12:43:54 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 12:43:38 -0800 From: "Rick Durst" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id gA1Ki1Vh095738 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list digest, Vol 1 #4 - 1 msg Replacement batteries Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: I need to replace the batteries in my escort. It has 18 trojan t-125s and I found a source for them at $65 each. I plan to do this nex t week. Is this a good price?, should I do more looking? I drive 30 miles one way twice a day and they have been working great until a few months ago.. I had to start watering them every three weeks and was told that they are close to three years old. The age was causing the excess water use. They are 3 years old (white with the green tops) To keep my range up, I don't want to go with the t-105 and the t-145s are $95 each, so too expensive. Does anyone have another source for batteries, or is this a good price? The place I am getting the will warrant them for 2 years (prorated) and they said they misquoted the price using an old price list, but the will honor it anyway. Any recent word on the new batteries that were brought to the meeting a few months back?? I will be at the next meeting...Rick From oeva-list-admin Sun Nov 10 19:58:59 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe66.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.208]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAB3wx8U069507 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unclerich60@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:58:53 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.225.116.87] From: "Richard Millhouse" To: "oreelect" Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:50:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C288F2.6FE2E880" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2002 03:58:53.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6C123F0:01C28936] Subject: [Oeva-list] vacuum pump Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C288F2.6FE2E880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FYI, there is an electric vacuum pump for $389 at mpbrakes.com. Uncle Rich in Central Oregon ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C288F2.6FE2E880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 FYI, the= re is an electric vacuum pump for $389 at mpbrakes.com.

Uncle Rich= in Central Oregon
------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C288F2.6FE2E880-- From oeva-list-admin Sun Nov 10 20:14:00 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe72.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.214]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAB4E08U071481 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:14:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unclerich60@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:13:55 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.225.116.87] From: "Richard Millhouse" To: "oreelect" Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:05:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0003_01C288F4.891D6D00" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2002 04:13:55.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFF60320:01C28938] Subject: [Oeva-list] central oregon Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C288F4.891D6D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey, are there any EVers in central Oregon besides me? Uncle Rich in Central Oregon ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C288F4.891D6D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, are there= any EVers in central Oregon besides me?

Uncle Rich in Central Ore= gon
------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C288F4.891D6D00-- From oeva-list-admin Mon Nov 18 20:28:51 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe85.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.227]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAJ4SprQ042689 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:28:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unclerich60@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:28:45 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.225.115.221] From: "Richard Millhouse" To: "oreelect" Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:20:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C28F3F.E78BB6C0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2002 04:28:45.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[261C7750:01C28F84] Subject: [Oeva-list] battery heaters Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C28F3F.E78BB6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I contacted the folks at indus-tool.com about their "foot warmers". They= are the electric pads you stand on to do your work. The reply I got stat= ed that they would work as long as they were kept indoors. Battery box he= aters?!!Thanks. Uncle Rich in Central Oregon ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C28F3F.E78BB6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 I contac= ted the folks at indus-tool.com about their "foot warmers". They are the = electric pads you stand on to do your work. The reply I got stated that t= hey would work as long as they were kept indoors. Battery box heaters?!!T= hanks.

Uncle Rich in Central Oregon
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C28F3F.E78BB6C0-- From oeva-list-admin Wed Nov 27 19:39:00 2002 Received: from hotmail.com (oe162.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.155]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAS3d0rQ002138 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:39:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unclerich60@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:38:54 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.225.115.199] From: "Richard Millhouse" To: "oreelect" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:30:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.2201 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2964B.65F71380" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Nov 2002 03:38:54.0923 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD25F1B0:01C2968F] Subject: [Oeva-list] state of charge gauge Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2964B.65F71380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While investigating one of the many "mystery wires" on my Mazda project, = I found one that originates at the 108 volt contact on the contactor, pro= ceeds through the firewall to one side of the s.o.c. gauge, through the g= auge to a point in the rear battery pack. I'm thinking that my car used t= o be 96 volt, and rather than change the gauge, the ijit hooked it to a p= oint that would show o.k. at 108. Do you folks know where I can find the = proper gauge, or does it exist? I'm sure glad I started tracing wires. Th= e afore mentioned wires were 14 ga. , not fused, no grommets, etc., and j= ust running around like speaker wires would. Thanks. Uncle Rich in Central Oregon ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2964B.65F71380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While investig= ating one of the many "mystery wires" on my Mazda project, I found one th= at originates at the 108 volt contact on the contactor, proceeds through = the firewall to one side of the s.o.c. gauge, through the gauge to a poin= t in the rear battery pack. I'm thinking that my car used to be 96 volt, = and rather than change the gauge, the ijit hooked it to a point that woul= d show o.k. at 108. Do you folks know where I can find the proper gauge, = or does it exist? I'm sure glad I started tracing wires. The afore mentio= ned wires were 14 ga. , not fused, no grommets, etc., and just running ar= ound like speaker wires would. Thanks.

Uncle Rich in Central Orego= n
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C2964B.65F71380-- From oeva-list-admin Mon Jan 6 21:53:54 2003 Received: from hotmail.com (oe102.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.244]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h075rsNQ044702 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:53:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unclerich60@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:53:48 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.225.115.123] From: "Richard Millhouse" To: "oreelect" Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:50:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0011.2700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2B5CD.A92B3720" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2003 05:53:48.0954 (UTC) FILETIME=[26170FA0:01C2B611] Subject: [Oeva-list] Fair Radio chargers Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2B5CD.A92B3720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What are these chargers that folks are referring to? Are they still avail= able? Thanks, Uncle Rich in Central Oregon ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2B5CD.A92B3720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What are these= chargers that folks are referring to? Are they still available? Thanks,<= BR>
Uncle Rich in Central Oregon
------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C2B5CD.A92B3720-- From oeva-list-admin Tue Jul 29 14:14:08 2003 Received: from flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.148]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6TLE8mF064437 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:14:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net (capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.180]) by flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6TKh8F23123 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apx1-05-142.pdx.du.teleport.com ([216.26.3.142] helo=laptop) by capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19hbJI-0000uF-00; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:43:05 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Myles Twete" To: , , , Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:42:40 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c35611$f57eb360$8e031ad8@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all---Myles here. I just joined the list---after how many years now? Is anyone out there? I'm curious what are other peoples' thoughts are on this years' EV Awareness event. For starters, I'll issue mine: In my opinion, frankly, the event attendance (both vehicles and visitors) was pretty sad....except that I did win the raffle!!!----which also was kinda sad when you consider that I only ante'd up $4 in tickets and still won. "Where were some of our regulars (Bruce Meland, Viktor, John Wayland...)", I asked. Did the venue or something else cause both visitor and vehicle counts to be low? Truthfullly, I had expected to see lots of cars, including cars from Rudman and others from Seattle area who had specifically queried me about our EVA day event when I was up there on June 14th. Little did I realize that not only did our venue change since then, but also nearly all of our outreach and advertising went out the window---along with perhaps a friend or two. While we surely saved money in choosing the WTC site, in avoiding all risk (and for whatever other reasons), we also missed great opportunity---and may indeed have lost some of our best and closest EV friends. I only can hope that we can all get along better before next year so that we can do the public better than less than 10 vehicles under the WTC building. I think that in the future we should either plan and stick to a BIG event (as in Pioneer Square) or either don't bother or at least call it an EV Rally or something like that. As it was, the site, predictably difficult to gain attention from the public, saw little public traffic that I saw---not that I was there long. What do I suggest? 1) Everything from new blood and new money to new ideas. If we are money short for a true blue EV Awareness event, then we need money-savvy people to get together and get ideas together. If we need new leadership and/or members to pull off great events, that too should be considered. If we need to create committees to prepare for these things, let's do that. Bottom line is we need to ask ourselves what we expect of EV Awareness events and how to make sure they happen and happen in a big enough way. 2) Revamp our newsletter---frankly, it sucks...one page is all we can do? Sure, for $15/yr, how can we expect more....but, frankly, I pay $5/yr for NW Steam Auto membership and get 4 newsletters/year---newsletters which are some 20 pages long each. I think we can strive to all contribute material to make the newsletter itself a desirable item to get outside subscriptions. 3) Get corporate and/or business sponsorships for events or rent booths. 4) Other things which are way beyond me. Having now dished out a load of perhaps unwarranted criticism, I recognize that many of you put a lot into making the OEVA, its meetings, its newsletter and its EV Awareness events the success that they are----and this is indeed appreciated----I did still enjoy coming to the WTC for the EV Awareness day. I also realize and admit that I have done squat/zero/nada to support the OEVA save from buying tee-shirts. So I certainly deserve vast amounts of criticism for sitting so comfortably on my ass. So what're your thoughts on OEVA, EV Awareness, newsletter, etc.? Please consider this as nothing more than a barely informed inside observer's opinion. Sincerely, -Myles Twete From oeva-list-admin Tue Jul 29 23:46:03 2003 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6U6k3mF077567 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:46:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A08626E20120; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:09:10 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <290703210.54550@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:46:03 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Awareness Day Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: I just read Myles' post, but let the original get away from me. I, too, think the attendance was on the light side in both groups. Some, like the Tango, can't be faulted for passing a marginal venue. Others that we normally count on just weren't available, like Victor's ACRX (batteries being changed and all). However, I do think others could have been there. And, even with the less-than-usual public attandance, I think we got our message out to a number of people. One thing in favor of the change in location is to dip our hands into a different pool. It seemed to me that most of the people I talked to weren't ones we'd see at OMSI, for instance. We had a fair cross-section of vehicles, considering the lack thereof. I did miss White Zombie, Blue Meanie, Baby Blue, and the other Datsuns/Nissans. My eDatsun PU was the only Datsun there, for once. The big electric truck and the ElecTrak, and even Steve Lough's scooter, helped fill out the roster. Now that we're away from OMSI, it would be nice to have demo rides; will need more people around to make that work. We also learned things about the WTC venue we didn't know ahead of time. One thing is that PGE would, if notified in time, put a banner up on the sky bridge over Salmon St. If done correctly, this would help tremendously. However, I also feel that this is not really the venue we want to concentrate on. We have people (a person?) continuing discussion with the city about Pioneer Courthouse Square for next year. If the city sticks to their pricing scheme, we could either make efforts to raise the funds ourselves (pass the hat, etc.) and/or beat the bushes for sponsors. If we did get the Square, maybe we could also have something at the WTC. Might be a quieter place to really talk to people, maybe have a swap meet (help draw out-of-towners), and still point people to the main venue. So, bottom line for me is that we at least did something. We stirred up a little interest. Little results, maybe, but very little effort, as a group. Decent ROI, as I see it. Next time, more effort and organization could return more results. Especially media involvment. As Myles, I'm not an expert by any means. I've attended only three Awareness Days and shown at only two. But the above is my semi-aware observations. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From oeva-list-admin Wed Jul 30 00:03:22 2003 Received: from agora.rdrop.com (202@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6U73MmG080126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from alan@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.6/Submit) id h6U73MMK080125 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:03:22 -0700 From: Alan Batie To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Awareness Day Message-ID: <20030730070322.GC78683@agora.rdrop.com> References: <290703210.54550@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <290703210.54550@webbox.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 11:46:03PM -0700, Eric Johnson wrote: > So, bottom line for me is that we at least did something. We > stirred up a little interest. Little results, maybe, but very > little effort, as a group. Decent ROI, as I see it. Next time, > more effort and organization could return more results. Especially > media involvment. I think it was good to do something, but it would be better to get a location with more traffic next year, if not Pioneer Square, then maybe the plaza on the waterfront by Saturday Market? There'd probably be big issues with moving them --- worse than at OMSI, I'll bet, because of the huge numbers of pedestrians, but that also means a lot more people to educate. Or if we could do it by the Salmon Street fountain, then there could be a couple in the EV parking spots that we could send people to for rides and/or test drives... - -- Alan Batie ______ alan.batie.org Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ spamassassin.taint.org NO SPAM! To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBPydtuov4wNua7QglAQGWCQQAyxLr+IUgUPI94rQXvtL3+LLem85O7GzN 6iFWuW0uM2XjOsVa7N4o2NtQ6yD2NZUcI3Y960MXhWnwaJj19hi9veHwXBClhzhx e7FeAsKkbZ53idV6/c0pbuwmXp5mx0fEyjLJRCsb5MDg4j5BdIL9wx96rFSgJkJx LAydnak4i2A= =o8UC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oeva-list-admin Wed Jul 30 08:07:25 2003 Received: from obsidian.spiritone.com (obsidian.spiritone.com [216.99.193.137]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6UF7OmG064653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:07:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by obsidian.spiritone.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6UEwrcR013117; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:58:53 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by shell1.aracnet.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6UEwwHq018134; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:58:58 -0700 Message-Id: <200307301458.h6UEwwHq018134@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day To: mylest@teleport.com Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ralph Merwin" Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org, mhoustonx@aol.com, etimes@teleport.com, tony@notebene.net In-Reply-To: <000801c35611$f57eb360$8e031ad8@laptop> from "Myles Twete" at Jul 29, 2003 01:42:40 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Good comments! The attendance was on the light side. I don't know why a change in venue would matter to most folks. The Tango I can understand needing more traffic of the "potential buyer" category. Maybe next year we can work a deal to get some sponsorship $$$ from Commuter Cars to be in a more suitable location. Pioneer Square was just too big of a venue for us to pull of in a short time. It needs six months instead of six weeks. I think most of the no-shows got caught up in the "no public" whining. Frankly, who cares? This is the only club that I've been invoved with that felt obliged to evangelize their cause. Every other club had events that were open to the public but the focus was on having fun, not "spreading the word". If we truely want to "spread the word", we'll all get our cars on the road and use them every day just like "real cars". Many of our members don't even have an electric car, and many of the others (myself included) have garage queens that have been off the road more years than they've been in use. How can we "spread the word" when we can't "drive the word"? The newsletter is mostly just a reminder for the next meeting, but with some news. I used to do a newsletter for a different club. It came out every other month, was about 14 pages long and had articles from various members. It was a PITA to put together, I had to brow beat people to get their articles, it cost a couple of hundred $$$ to print, fold and staple, and took a lot of time overall. I suspect there is nobody in the OEVA that would step up to such a project. Any volunteers? Ralph From oeva-list-admin Wed Jul 30 11:28:08 2003 Received: from agora.rdrop.com (202@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6UIS8mG011409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:28:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from alan@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.6/Submit) id h6UIS8Sw011408 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:28:08 -0700 From: Alan Batie To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day Message-ID: <20030730182808.GC3538@agora.rdrop.com> References: <000801c35611$f57eb360$8e031ad8@laptop> <200307301458.h6UEwwHq018134@shell1.aracnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200307301458.h6UEwwHq018134@shell1.aracnet.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 07:58:58AM -0700, Ralph Merwin wrote: > I think most of the no-shows got caught up in the "no public" whining. > Frankly, who cares? Well, it was called "EV Awareness Day". If you're trying to make people aware of EVs, it stands to reason you want to have a presence where the people are. I'm not faulting this year's event, as Eric told me of the problems with the city (which unfortunately seems to be SOP with Portland). When it comes down to it, it's better to have it than not. I think the point is to start thinking about what needs to be done to have an even better event next year. - -- Alan Batie ______ alan.batie.org Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ spamassassin.taint.org NO SPAM! To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBPygOOIv4wNua7QglAQFJqgP+MZoejU/xzZv3f0LUmfzSQRre2rPBvMgb IninjqbGNZt6mP2WgNG6Z+Oc3zunJJ0Z87lIoHAHpVS9Elf1XCdtaF50nguNw/Xn 523FAxGysIA9Mowpke5YGmW//PZk7rdFFzwm4qYKFkflHiFdOVf3ahjaZH2O+Dii 0xiBph0muBA= =5AXg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oeva-list-admin Wed Jul 30 11:42:15 2003 Received: from capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net (capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.180]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6UIgFmF015077 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:42:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from apx1-10-103.pdx.du.teleport.com ([216.26.8.103] helo=laptop) by capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19hvtu-0004X8-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:42:15 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Myles Twete" To: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:30:01 -0700 Message-ID: <005001c356ca$3ce837e0$67081ad8@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <7f.3aaf940f.2c585d1d@aol.com> Importance: Normal Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Thanks, Marshall, for clarifying the many details for us. The more of this level of information that we all understand, the more informed our votes will be next time. We also know how much money we'd need for such an endeavor. You're right, we shouldn't take for granted the WTC/PGE plaza. I didn't mean it to sound like I was criticising the site as a gathering or display site. But it would be difficult, even with advertising, to get a good amount of foot traffic through that site---it's not on the main path for large #s of downtowners and its brick wall hides the vehicles from passers-by. The WTC plaza is indeed great for an EV club rally/gathering for the reasons you mentioned, plus it's fairly secure---but to achieve anything close to the goal of "awareness", a more open site will be needed. My hat is off to Rick Durst for continuing to make this site available for our monthly meetings and for this event---it truly is our good fortune to have this space available for us. As for Woodburn/NEDRA, I couldn't say. I don't know anything about poor EV representation at last year's races. It would make sense that attendance might be less this year since I haven't seen any mention of the drags in any of this years' OEVA newsletters...was that intentional or did we just drop it or assume everyone knows when/where it is? Conspiracy? I think I missed the last 2 years of drags, primarily because I never see it advertised and only find out about it after the fact. I had been hoping to see the races this year but I remain unclear as to when it is----August 31st? What time? Any OEVA members planning on racing/attending? I know that several from the Seattle area plan to be there---and no doubt there will be E-dragsters and E-bikes....that's enough reason for me to go. -Myles From oeva-list-admin Wed Jul 30 11:42:19 2003 Received: from capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net (capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.180]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6UIgJmF015092 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:42:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from apx1-10-103.pdx.du.teleport.com ([216.26.8.103] helo=laptop) by capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19hvtx-0004Y4-00; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:42:18 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Myles Twete" To: , , , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:40:10 -0700 Message-ID: <005101c356ca$3e59f050$67081ad8@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <200307301458.h6UEwwHq018134@shell1.aracnet.com> Importance: Normal Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Thanks Ralph---my comments inserted: > The attendance was on the light side. I don't know why a change in > venue would matter to most folks. The venue wouldn't matter to most OEVA members or car owners, I agree. But for those who have to trailer their vehicle and haul it to Portland from Seattle it makes a big difference if the site ends up being nearly invisible----if venue didn't matter, why not just all meet in front of someone's house? The difference is in what you expect----a club gathering or actual outreach. Venue does matter----I'm not much thrilled about this year's annual NW Steam Society steamboat meet in Blaine, Wa. Why? Because there are lots of better places I can think of which are better, more picturesque, less distant and would offer access to more people. For folks who have to travel to get there, venue matters. > Pioneer Square was just too big of a venue for us to pull of in a > short time. It needs six months instead of six weeks. Ordinarily true, but we had it in the bag and it was only $$$$ which kept it from happening. For the NW Steam Society annual steamboat "meets", we had been picking the next years' site a year in advance. Last year it was decided that we need 18 months or 2 years' advance planning to pull off the events, including getting advertising in all the right places and cooperation w/city/marina/local businesses and hotels. > I think most of the no-shows got caught up in the "no public" whining. > Frankly, who cares? This is the only club that I've been invoved with > that felt obliged to evangelize their cause. Every other club had > events that were open to the public but the focus was on having fun, > not "spreading the word". If we truely want to "spread the word", > we'll all get our cars on the road and use them every day just like > "real cars". Many of our members don't even have an electric car, > and many of the others (myself included) have garage queens that have > been off the road more years than they've been in use. How can we > "spread the word" when we can't "drive the word"? Same story with our steamboats and steamcars and their annual or biennial rallies. But we don't mislead our friends by calling them Steam Awareness Days. If we just called this our OEVA Annual EV Rally or something like that, I'd have no issue. It's semantics, but semantics are important in this case. Call it EV Awareness Day and it better be advertised or there are bound to be folks coming here from afar who will be let down to find it only a little club gathering nearly invisible to the public. A friend of mine came to the plaza on saturday and brought a friend with him. He later told me that they were lucky to find the event as he didn't see any ads in the paper in all the usual places (he looked everywhere) and he only had my word that it was even happening at all. > The newsletter is mostly just a reminder for the next meeting, but > with some news. I used to do a newsletter for a different club. It > came out every other month, was about 14 pages long and had articles > from various members. It was a PITA to put together, I had to brow > beat people to get their articles, it cost a couple of hundred $$$ > to print, fold and staple, and took a lot of time overall. I suspect > there is nobody in the OEVA that would step up to such a project. Maybe not...but maybe we should ask ourselves whether there might be good reasons to go the direction of a better, more meaty newsletter. Noone says newsletters are easy---but with a membership organization such as this, they are nevertheless expected. With an identical membership rate of $15/yr to the NW Steam Society, I get at least 4 newsletters/year of some 16 pages each, including at least a dozen images per issue. We could consider issuing the monthly single page newsletter as now and then beef up every 3rd month's newsletter to be one that better reflects what we are. By having a quarterly issue which is something to be proud of, I'm certain there are members that would be eager to participate. The costs don't have to be great, especially if a large newsletter is issued only every 3rd issue. We could hold a folding/stapling/stamping party to get that newsletter out, which can be an occassion to meet at the Lucky Lab (as we do to get the Oregon Wildlife Federation newsletter out---8pgs) or another pub of preference...I'm sure the OEVA membership list is far shorter than the OWF list (several hundred). I'd gladly help put together such a quarterly newsletter, Ralph. I'm sure others would help as well. And it wouldn't be a PITA if it doesn't have to happen each and every month. I agree, that would be much more of a pain. The question is do we want to continue to be an organization with only a one page monthly story to tell? True, the single pager has worked for years, and it's been financially prudent. But all things being equal, would 1 page be the natural size for our monthly newsletter, or is it just driven by financial concerns and a desire to just get it out? There are many alternatives to reduce cost-----first and foremost being to offer an e-newsletter to those who can do without or print their own hardcopy. We've gone to that option recently (after 10 years) with the NW Steam Auto Club of America (which I am currently President of). The quarterly newsletter was beginning to cost the club secretary/treasurer more to issue than the club was getting in annual $5 membership dues---I think all printing/paper costs were donated so postage is the only cost. After suggesting to Pat that he simply email the newsletter to those who do email, his costs dropped dramatically----yes, even steam car guys now have computers! I would venture to guess that nearly every one of our OEVA members would accept an e-newsletter versus a printed one, especially if the newsletter were augmented with feature articles and pictures. This would reduce our publishing costs substantially. We might even decide to make the newsletter electronic-only, saving all publishing costs. The Portland Biodiesel Coop is an example of such an electronic-only club---extreme on the nerdism scale---they don't even want to send out written notices to members for the annual meeting! Those are my thoughts- Myles Twete From oeva-list-admin Wed Jul 30 12:44:58 2003 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6UJiwmF030193 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A0382DD60034; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:44:56 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <300703211.45897@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:44:58 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Anybody at Brooks Steam-Up? Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Either last or next weekend? I was just thinking that a really good reason for having fewer of our members at the Awareness Day would be if they were at Brooks? Were any? And what about this weekend? Charging available? Mapquest shows it as 31.22 miles for me, practically all freeway. My new YTs may be able to make it one way, but there's no way I'll push them to make it back without charging. I'll go this Saturday at least, no matter what. If there's no charging or if I can't find out who to contact once I get there, I'll just take the Prius and enjoy the show per normal. Side note: I like the thinking that's been happening about Awareness Day, newsletter, and OEVA's overall approach. Not that anything absolutely has to be done right now, but that stepping back and looking at the big picture is good. As I understand it, effort has not stopped in dealing with the city about the square, possibly for next year. One side note here, too. At the last meeting before EVAD, we hadn't heard from the city's lawyers about the wording of our EAA insurance policy. While the money was a big thing, the insurance issue was up in the air and the city's lawyers could easily have said "No!" At that point, as I was led to believe, we didn't have the square for sure. That makes the event we had easier to take, perhaps. Anyone who knows anything about the Brooks Steam-Up please let me know. I may be able to have the eDatsun there. Thanks! -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From oeva-list-admin Wed Jul 30 13:23:22 2003 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6UKNMmF039546 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:23:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from java@xprt.net) Received: from swb (12-203-76-128.client.attbi.com[12.203.76.128](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003073020181001600b73jfe>; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:18:10 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c356d8$6f64af60$787ba8c0@attbi.com> From: To: References: <300703211.45897@webbox.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Anybody at Brooks Steam-Up? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:23:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Hi It was a busy weekend, Solwest was going on in John Day, The Brooks steam up. I wanted to attend Awareness Day and meet all of you. The choices were tough, Solwest won out and unfortunately my ICE van didn' make the 300 mile trip. We were closer to Brooks so we side tracked there and had an enjoyable day. Once I get my truck back on the road I'm hoping to start attending the meetings. Anyone out there familar with GE's IGBT controllers? Mines toast. There is no formal charging station at Brooks I'm aware of, however the people are nice and I imagine if you ask they will be able to provide you with an outlet. I found this phone number (not sure if its good) 503.393.2424 Another phone number for the electric railway museum located on the property Oregon Electric Railway Museum 3995 Brooklake Road; Brooks, Oregon Phone: 503-888-4014 Thanks Steve Boser 87 Mazda electric 4x4 truck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] Anybody at Brooks Steam-Up? > > Either last or next weekend? > > I was just thinking that a really good reason for having fewer > of our members at the Awareness Day would be if they were at > Brooks? Were any? > > And what about this weekend? Charging available? Mapquest shows > it as 31.22 miles for me, practically all freeway. My new YTs > may be able to make it one way, but there's no way I'll push > them to make it back without charging. > > I'll go this Saturday at least, no matter what. If there's no > charging or if I can't find out who to contact once I get there, > I'll just take the Prius and enjoy the show per normal. > > Side note: I like the thinking that's been happening about Awareness > Day, newsletter, and OEVA's overall approach. Not that anything > absolutely has to be done right now, but that stepping back and > looking at the big picture is good. As I understand it, effort > has not stopped in dealing with the city about the square, possibly > for next year. > > One side note here, too. At the last meeting before EVAD, we > hadn't heard from the city's lawyers about the wording of our > EAA insurance policy. While the money was a big thing, the insurance > issue was up in the air and the city's lawyers could easily have > said "No!" At that point, as I was led to believe, we didn't > have the square for sure. That makes the event we had easier > to take, perhaps. > > Anyone who knows anything about the Brooks Steam-Up please let > me know. I may be able to have the eDatsun there. > > Thanks! > > -- > Eric Johnson > Portland, OR > ejts@comcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > From oeva-list-admin Wed Jul 30 14:27:46 2003 Received: from email.whiteselectronics.com ([65.173.224.61]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6ULRhmF056686 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:27:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jearle@whiteselectronics.com) Received: from [65.173.224.2] (helo=EngJohnEarle) by email.whiteselectronics.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 19hy2O-0003DE-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:59:08 -0700 From: "John Earle" To: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:59:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030730190003.19186.17356.Mailman@agora.rdrop.com> Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: Oeva-list digest, Vol 1 #10 - 7 msgs Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Your right! I missed it. In fact, I had to go through a lot of your e mail just to figure out what group you are! john earle -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-admin@oeva.org]On Behalf Of oeva-list-request@oeva.org Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:00 PM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Oeva-list digest, Vol 1 #10 - 7 msgs Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request@oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-admin@oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day (Myles Twete) 2. Awareness Day (Eric Johnson) 3. Re: Awareness Day (Alan Batie) 4. Re: Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day (Ralph Merwin) 5. Re: Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day (Alan Batie) 6. RE: Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day (Myles Twete) 7. RE: Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day (Myles Twete) --__--__-- Message: 1 Reply-To: From: "Myles Twete" To: , , , Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:42:40 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day Hi all---Myles here. I just joined the list---after how many years now? Is anyone out there? I'm curious what are other peoples' thoughts are on this years' EV Awareness event. For starters, I'll issue mine: In my opinion, frankly, the event attendance (both vehicles and visitors) was pretty sad....except that I did win the raffle!!!----which also was kinda sad when you consider that I only ante'd up $4 in tickets and still won. "Where were some of our regulars (Bruce Meland, Viktor, John Wayland...)", I asked. Did the venue or something else cause both visitor and vehicle counts to be low? Truthfullly, I had expected to see lots of cars, including cars from Rudman and others from Seattle area who had specifically queried me about our EVA day event when I was up there on June 14th. Little did I realize that not only did our venue change since then, but also nearly all of our outreach and advertising went out the window---along with perhaps a friend or two. While we surely saved money in choosing the WTC site, in avoiding all risk (and for whatever other reasons), we also missed great opportunity---and may indeed have lost some of our best and closest EV friends. I only can hope that we can all get along better before next year so that we can do the public better than less than 10 vehicles under the WTC building. I think that in the future we should either plan and stick to a BIG event (as in Pioneer Square) or either don't bother or at least call it an EV Rally or something like that. As it was, the site, predictably difficult to gain attention from the public, saw little public traffic that I saw---not that I was there long. What do I suggest? 1) Everything from new blood and new money to new ideas. If we are money short for a true blue EV Awareness event, then we need money-savvy people to get together and get ideas together. If we need new leadership and/or members to pull off great events, that too should be considered. If we need to create committees to prepare for these things, let's do that. Bottom line is we need to ask ourselves what we expect of EV Awareness events and how to make sure they happen and happen in a big enough way. 2) Revamp our newsletter---frankly, it sucks...one page is all we can do? Sure, for $15/yr, how can we expect more....but, frankly, I pay $5/yr for NW Steam Auto membership and get 4 newsletters/year---newsletters which are some 20 pages long each. I think we can strive to all contribute material to make the newsletter itself a desirable item to get outside subscriptions. 3) Get corporate and/or business sponsorships for events or rent booths. 4) Other things which are way beyond me. Having now dished out a load of perhaps unwarranted criticism, I recognize that many of you put a lot into making the OEVA, its meetings, its newsletter and its EV Awareness events the success that they are----and this is indeed appreciated----I did still enjoy coming to the WTC for the EV Awareness day. I also realize and admit that I have done squat/zero/nada to support the OEVA save from buying tee-shirts. So I certainly deserve vast amounts of criticism for sitting so comfortably on my ass. So what're your thoughts on OEVA, EV Awareness, newsletter, etc.? Please consider this as nothing more than a barely informed inside observer's opinion. Sincerely, -Myles Twete --__--__-- Message: 2 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:46:03 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Awareness Day I just read Myles' post, but let the original get away from me. I, too, think the attendance was on the light side in both groups. Some, like the Tango, can't be faulted for passing a marginal venue. Others that we normally count on just weren't available, like Victor's ACRX (batteries being changed and all). However, I do think others could have been there. And, even with the less-than-usual public attandance, I think we got our message out to a number of people. One thing in favor of the change in location is to dip our hands into a different pool. It seemed to me that most of the people I talked to weren't ones we'd see at OMSI, for instance. We had a fair cross-section of vehicles, considering the lack thereof. I did miss White Zombie, Blue Meanie, Baby Blue, and the other Datsuns/Nissans. My eDatsun PU was the only Datsun there, for once. The big electric truck and the ElecTrak, and even Steve Lough's scooter, helped fill out the roster. Now that we're away from OMSI, it would be nice to have demo rides; will need more people around to make that work. We also learned things about the WTC venue we didn't know ahead of time. One thing is that PGE would, if notified in time, put a banner up on the sky bridge over Salmon St. If done correctly, this would help tremendously. However, I also feel that this is not really the venue we want to concentrate on. We have people (a person?) continuing discussion with the city about Pioneer Courthouse Square for next year. If the city sticks to their pricing scheme, we could either make efforts to raise the funds ourselves (pass the hat, etc.) and/or beat the bushes for sponsors. If we did get the Square, maybe we could also have something at the WTC. Might be a quieter place to really talk to people, maybe have a swap meet (help draw out-of-towners), and still point people to the main venue. So, bottom line for me is that we at least did something. We stirred up a little interest. Little results, maybe, but very little effort, as a group. Decent ROI, as I see it. Next time, more effort and organization could return more results. Especially media involvment. As Myles, I'm not an expert by any means. I've attended only three Awareness Days and shown at only two. But the above is my semi-aware observations. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:03:22 -0700 From: Alan Batie To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Awareness Day -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 11:46:03PM -0700, Eric Johnson wrote: > So, bottom line for me is that we at least did something. We > stirred up a little interest. Little results, maybe, but very > little effort, as a group. Decent ROI, as I see it. Next time, > more effort and organization could return more results. Especially > media involvment. I think it was good to do something, but it would be better to get a location with more traffic next year, if not Pioneer Square, then maybe the plaza on the waterfront by Saturday Market? There'd probably be big issues with moving them --- worse than at OMSI, I'll bet, because of the huge numbers of pedestrians, but that also means a lot more people to educate. Or if we could do it by the Salmon Street fountain, then there could be a couple in the EV parking spots that we could send people to for rides and/or test drives... - -- Alan Batie ______ alan.batie.org Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ spamassassin.taint.org NO SPAM! To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBPydtuov4wNua7QglAQGWCQQAyxLr+IUgUPI94rQXvtL3+LLem85O7GzN 6iFWuW0uM2XjOsVa7N4o2NtQ6yD2NZUcI3Y960MXhWnwaJj19hi9veHwXBClhzhx e7FeAsKkbZ53idV6/c0pbuwmXp5mx0fEyjLJRCsb5MDg4j5BdIL9wx96rFSgJkJx LAydnak4i2A= =o8UC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day To: mylest@teleport.com Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ralph Merwin" Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org, mhoustonx@aol.com, etimes@teleport.com, tony@notebene.net Good comments! The attendance was on the light side. I don't know why a change in venue would matter to most folks. The Tango I can understand needing more traffic of the "potential buyer" category. Maybe next year we can work a deal to get some sponsorship $$$ from Commuter Cars to be in a more suitable location. Pioneer Square was just too big of a venue for us to pull of in a short time. It needs six months instead of six weeks. I think most of the no-shows got caught up in the "no public" whining. Frankly, who cares? This is the only club that I've been invoved with that felt obliged to evangelize their cause. Every other club had events that were open to the public but the focus was on having fun, not "spreading the word". If we truely want to "spread the word", we'll all get our cars on the road and use them every day just like "real cars". Many of our members don't even have an electric car, and many of the others (myself included) have garage queens that have been off the road more years than they've been in use. How can we "spread the word" when we can't "drive the word"? The newsletter is mostly just a reminder for the next meeting, but with some news. I used to do a newsletter for a different club. It came out every other month, was about 14 pages long and had articles from various members. It was a PITA to put together, I had to brow beat people to get their articles, it cost a couple of hundred $$$ to print, fold and staple, and took a lot of time overall. I suspect there is nobody in the OEVA that would step up to such a project. Any volunteers? Ralph --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:28:08 -0700 From: Alan Batie To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 07:58:58AM -0700, Ralph Merwin wrote: > I think most of the no-shows got caught up in the "no public" whining. > Frankly, who cares? Well, it was called "EV Awareness Day". If you're trying to make people aware of EVs, it stands to reason you want to have a presence where the people are. I'm not faulting this year's event, as Eric told me of the problems with the city (which unfortunately seems to be SOP with Portland). When it comes down to it, it's better to have it than not. I think the point is to start thinking about what needs to be done to have an even better event next year. - -- Alan Batie ______ alan.batie.org Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ spamassassin.taint.org NO SPAM! To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBPygOOIv4wNua7QglAQFJqgP+MZoejU/xzZv3f0LUmfzSQRre2rPBvMgb IninjqbGNZt6mP2WgNG6Z+Oc3zunJJ0Z87lIoHAHpVS9Elf1XCdtaF50nguNw/Xn 523FAxGysIA9Mowpke5YGmW//PZk7rdFFzwm4qYKFkflHiFdOVf3ahjaZH2O+Dii 0xiBph0muBA= =5AXg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --__--__-- Message: 6 Reply-To: From: "Myles Twete" To: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:30:01 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day Thanks, Marshall, for clarifying the many details for us. The more of this level of information that we all understand, the more informed our votes will be next time. We also know how much money we'd need for such an endeavor. You're right, we shouldn't take for granted the WTC/PGE plaza. I didn't mean it to sound like I was criticising the site as a gathering or display site. But it would be difficult, even with advertising, to get a good amount of foot traffic through that site---it's not on the main path for large #s of downtowners and its brick wall hides the vehicles from passers-by. The WTC plaza is indeed great for an EV club rally/gathering for the reasons you mentioned, plus it's fairly secure---but to achieve anything close to the goal of "awareness", a more open site will be needed. My hat is off to Rick Durst for continuing to make this site available for our monthly meetings and for this event---it truly is our good fortune to have this space available for us. As for Woodburn/NEDRA, I couldn't say. I don't know anything about poor EV representation at last year's races. It would make sense that attendance might be less this year since I haven't seen any mention of the drags in any of this years' OEVA newsletters...was that intentional or did we just drop it or assume everyone knows when/where it is? Conspiracy? I think I missed the last 2 years of drags, primarily because I never see it advertised and only find out about it after the fact. I had been hoping to see the races this year but I remain unclear as to when it is----August 31st? What time? Any OEVA members planning on racing/attending? I know that several from the Seattle area plan to be there---and no doubt there will be E-dragsters and E-bikes....that's enough reason for me to go. -Myles --__--__-- Message: 7 Reply-To: From: "Myles Twete" To: , , , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:40:10 -0700 Thanks Ralph---my comments inserted: > The attendance was on the light side. I don't know why a change in > venue would matter to most folks. The venue wouldn't matter to most OEVA members or car owners, I agree. But for those who have to trailer their vehicle and haul it to Portland from Seattle it makes a big difference if the site ends up being nearly invisible----if venue didn't matter, why not just all meet in front of someone's house? The difference is in what you expect----a club gathering or actual outreach. Venue does matter----I'm not much thrilled about this year's annual NW Steam Society steamboat meet in Blaine, Wa. Why? Because there are lots of better places I can think of which are better, more picturesque, less distant and would offer access to more people. For folks who have to travel to get there, venue matters. > Pioneer Square was just too big of a venue for us to pull of in a > short time. It needs six months instead of six weeks. Ordinarily true, but we had it in the bag and it was only $$$$ which kept it from happening. For the NW Steam Society annual steamboat "meets", we had been picking the next years' site a year in advance. Last year it was decided that we need 18 months or 2 years' advance planning to pull off the events, including getting advertising in all the right places and cooperation w/city/marina/local businesses and hotels. > I think most of the no-shows got caught up in the "no public" whining. > Frankly, who cares? This is the only club that I've been invoved with > that felt obliged to evangelize their cause. Every other club had > events that were open to the public but the focus was on having fun, > not "spreading the word". If we truely want to "spread the word", > we'll all get our cars on the road and use them every day just like > "real cars". Many of our members don't even have an electric car, > and many of the others (myself included) have garage queens that have > been off the road more years than they've been in use. How can we > "spread the word" when we can't "drive the word"? Same story with our steamboats and steamcars and their annual or biennial rallies. But we don't mislead our friends by calling them Steam Awareness Days. If we just called this our OEVA Annual EV Rally or something like that, I'd have no issue. It's semantics, but semantics are important in this case. Call it EV Awareness Day and it better be advertised or there are bound to be folks coming here from afar who will be let down to find it only a little club gathering nearly invisible to the public. A friend of mine came to the plaza on saturday and brought a friend with him. He later told me that they were lucky to find the event as he didn't see any ads in the paper in all the usual places (he looked everywhere) and he only had my word that it was even happening at all. > The newsletter is mostly just a reminder for the next meeting, but > with some news. I used to do a newsletter for a different club. It > came out every other month, was about 14 pages long and had articles > from various members. It was a PITA to put together, I had to brow > beat people to get their articles, it cost a couple of hundred $$$ > to print, fold and staple, and took a lot of time overall. I suspect > there is nobody in the OEVA that would step up to such a project. Maybe not...but maybe we should ask ourselves whether there might be good reasons to go the direction of a better, more meaty newsletter. Noone says newsletters are easy---but with a membership organization such as this, they are nevertheless expected. With an identical membership rate of $15/yr to the NW Steam Society, I get at least 4 newsletters/year of some 16 pages each, including at least a dozen images per issue. We could consider issuing the monthly single page newsletter as now and then beef up every 3rd month's newsletter to be one that better reflects what we are. By having a quarterly issue which is something to be proud of, I'm certain there are members that would be eager to participate. The costs don't have to be great, especially if a large newsletter is issued only every 3rd issue. We could hold a folding/stapling/stamping party to get that newsletter out, which can be an occassion to meet at the Lucky Lab (as we do to get the Oregon Wildlife Federation newsletter out---8pgs) or another pub of preference...I'm sure the OEVA membership list is far shorter than the OWF list (several hundred). I'd gladly help put together such a quarterly newsletter, Ralph. I'm sure others would help as well. And it wouldn't be a PITA if it doesn't have to happen each and every month. I agree, that would be much more of a pain. The question is do we want to continue to be an organization with only a one page monthly story to tell? True, the single pager has worked for years, and it's been financially prudent. But all things being equal, would 1 page be the natural size for our monthly newsletter, or is it just driven by financial concerns and a desire to just get it out? There are many alternatives to reduce cost-----first and foremost being to offer an e-newsletter to those who can do without or print their own hardcopy. We've gone to that option recently (after 10 years) with the NW Steam Auto Club of America (which I am currently President of). The quarterly newsletter was beginning to cost the club secretary/treasurer more to issue than the club was getting in annual $5 membership dues---I think all printing/paper costs were donated so postage is the only cost. After suggesting to Pat that he simply email the newsletter to those who do email, his costs dropped dramatically----yes, even steam car guys now have computers! I would venture to guess that nearly every one of our OEVA members would accept an e-newsletter versus a printed one, especially if the newsletter were augmented with feature articles and pictures. This would reduce our publishing costs substantially. We might even decide to make the newsletter electronic-only, saving all publishing costs. The Portland Biodiesel Coop is an example of such an electronic-only club---extreme on the nerdism scale---they don't even want to send out written notices to members for the annual meeting! Those are my thoughts- Myles Twete --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest From oeva-list-admin Wed Jul 30 14:54:29 2003 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6ULsTmF064418 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:54:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AE9325DD0104; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:54:27 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Anybody at Brooks Steam-Up? Message-Id: <300703211.53667@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:54:29 -0700 Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Steve, Myles sent me the same number. The woman I talked to seemed surprised to be asked about displaying my PU. She was quite sure that 120VAC power could be rigged up. The gates open at 7:00AM on Saturday. She didn't make any point of when to be there, as if getting there while they were open was what she expected. I think getting there a little before they open might work with any early crowds, but that's just my guess. If nothing else works out, maybe there's some power at the camping spaces I can hook to. Last year at the Woodburn NEDRA drags, I used my generator. Unfortunately, it has since died a horrible ICE-centric death. I do need to get another, but haven't yet. I have a couple places on the way back that I can stop and charge. (One is the rest stop on I-5 a little south of Wilsonville, or somewhere thereabouts. They didn't even blink the one time I used it.) So, I'm leaning toward taking the eDatsun down under its own power and count on being able to refill it there. Will be an adventure, it seems. However, one question I still have is, "Were there any EVs on display last weekend?" Hopefully will be there to see any of you also there. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >Hi > >It was a busy weekend, Solwest was going on in John Day, The Brooks steam >up. I wanted to attend Awareness Day and meet all of you. The choices were >tough, Solwest won out and unfortunately my ICE van didn' make the 300 mile >trip. We were closer to Brooks so we side tracked there and had an enjoyable >day. >Once I get my truck back on the road I'm hoping to start attending the >meetings. Anyone out there familar with GE's IGBT controllers? Mines toast. >There is no formal charging station at Brooks I'm aware of, however the >people are nice and I imagine if you ask they will be able to provide you >with an outlet. I found this phone number (not sure if its good) >503.393.2424 >Another phone number for the electric railway museum located on the property >Oregon Electric Railway Museum >3995 Brooklake Road; Brooks, Oregon >Phone: 503-888-4014 > >Thanks > >Steve Boser > >87 Mazda electric 4x4 truck From oeva-list-admin Wed Jul 30 17:48:04 2003 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6V0m3mF008798 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:48:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from java@xprt.net) Received: from swb (12-203-76-128.client.attbi.com[12.203.76.128](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20030731004757012001pncge>; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 00:47:57 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c356fe$20886f00$787ba8c0@attbi.com> From: To: "Eric Johnson" Cc: References: <300703211.53667@webbox.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Anybody at Brooks Steam-Up? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:53:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Nope I did not see one electric car. I did see a GE electric lawn tractor. Mostly the technology is early 1900's. However you know having some current (pun intended) technology might stir up some interest. Its a long trip out to Brooks without backup. My truck couldn't do it. The good news is there are a lot of places to plug in along the way, and I'm thinking you'll only have a 7 mile segment without any services. I've never had an instance that I was refused a request to plug in to charge up. I always offer to pay, (and no one has ever taken me up on it). I've given a few rides and that seems to really get people interested. We had a great time at the steam up. If you've never been there its one of those things you got to do at least once. Maybe next year Oeva can set up there? Enjoy and if I can be of service please let me know Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Anybody at Brooks Steam-Up? > > Hi Steve, > Myles sent me the same number. The woman I talked to seemed > surprised to be asked about displaying my PU. She was quite > sure that 120VAC power could be rigged up. > > The gates open at 7:00AM on Saturday. She didn't make any point > of when to be there, as if getting there while they were open > was what she expected. I think getting there a little before > they open might work with any early crowds, but that's just my > guess. > > If nothing else works out, maybe there's some power at the camping > spaces I can hook to. Last year at the Woodburn NEDRA drags, > I used my generator. Unfortunately, it has since died a horrible > ICE-centric death. I do need to get another, but haven't yet. > I have a couple places on the way back that I can stop and charge. > (One is the rest stop on I-5 a little south of Wilsonville, > or somewhere thereabouts. They didn't even blink the one time > I used it.) > > So, I'm leaning toward taking the eDatsun down under its own > power and count on being able to refill it there. Will be an > adventure, it seems. > > However, one question I still have is, "Were there any EVs on > display last weekend?" > > Hopefully will be there to see any of you also there. > > > -- > Eric Johnson > Portland, OR > ejts@comcast.net > > > >--- Original Message --- > >Hi > > > >It was a busy weekend, Solwest was going on in John Day, The > Brooks steam > >up. I wanted to attend Awareness Day and meet all of you. The > choices were > >tough, Solwest won out and unfortunately my ICE van didn' make > the 300 mile > >trip. We were closer to Brooks so we side tracked there and > had an enjoyable > >day. > >Once I get my truck back on the road I'm hoping to start attending > the > >meetings. Anyone out there familar with GE's IGBT controllers? > Mines toast. > >There is no formal charging station at Brooks I'm aware of, > however the > >people are nice and I imagine if you ask they will be able to > provide you > >with an outlet. I found this phone number (not sure if its good) > >503.393.2424 > >Another phone number for the electric railway museum located > on the property > >Oregon Electric Railway Museum > >3995 Brooklake Road; Brooks, Oregon > >Phone: 503-888-4014 > > > >Thanks > > > >Steve Boser > > > >87 Mazda electric 4x4 truck > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > From oeva-list-admin Wed Jul 30 20:49:01 2003 Received: from capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net (capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.180]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6V3n0mF045962 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:49:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from apx1-10-187.pdx.du.teleport.com ([216.26.8.187] helo=laptop) by capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19i4Qz-0007kU-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:48:58 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Myles Twete" To: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:46:49 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c35716$9d3ea010$bb081ad8@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: 2003 NEDRA Nationals Woodburn OR 8/31 Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: For those not on the EV list.... Woodburn Drags and web page mentioned by Bruce Parmenter: > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter [mailto:brucedp@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:10 AM > To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu > Subject: 2003 NEDRA Nationals Woodburn OR 8/31 > > > I have put images of previous Woodburn Drags and links > to Woodburn details on the main http://eaaev.org page. > > I have asked OEVA who is attending and I am talking to to > their webmaster of putting a blurb about it on their > EAA chapter site. > > nEV, zappy, Ebike, and conversion drivers have talked > of gathering for their own networking. The best way to > start this is to leverage off an existing EVent. > > nedra.com EVents are great and a great way to leverage > of their EVent by attending. > > The Woodburn Drag strip has plenty of room to let > everyone attend and network. > > Imagine: nedra dragsters on the strip, conversions, > nEVs, zappy, Ebike people near by, with people zipping > back and forth on their Electrics. > > Nothing brings more attention to all Electrics than > Electrics zipping around an EVent. Great public > visibility and a way to turn some ICE heads. > > > > ===== > ' ____ > ~/__|o\__ > '@----- @'---(= > . http://geocities.com/brucedp/ > . EV List Editor & RE newswires > . (originator of the above ASCII art) > ===== > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > From oeva-list-admin Thu Jul 31 07:41:33 2003 Received: from obsidian.spiritone.com (obsidian.spiritone.com [216.99.193.137]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6VEfWmG068132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by obsidian.spiritone.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6VEg7gu019943; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:42:07 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by shell1.aracnet.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6VEg8bx014062; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:42:08 -0700 Message-Id: <200307311442.h6VEg8bx014062@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day To: alan@batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:42:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ralph Merwin" Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: <20030730182808.GC3538@agora.rdrop.com> from "Alan Batie" at Jul 30, 2003 11:28:08 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Alan Batie writes: > > Well, it was called "EV Awareness Day". If you're trying to make people > aware of EVs, it stands to reason you want to have a presence where the > people are. OK, details... ;-) I think I'm reacting more to the fact that some people flat out refused to even show up because they didn't think there would be lot of non-EV people to talk to. We've had several very nice EV Awareness Days in the past that were essentially just the EV folks from Oregon and Washington in some courtyard somewhere (Metro) or in a parking lot at a restaurant. It wasn't until we went to OMSI that we had any real numbers of non-EV people wandering through. This is also where the events started getting difficult to pull off. Ralph From oeva-list-admin Thu Jul 31 07:44:11 2003 Received: from obsidian.spiritone.com (obsidian.spiritone.com [216.99.193.137]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6VEiBmG068522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by obsidian.spiritone.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6VEikgu023725; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:44:46 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by shell1.aracnet.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6VEikM7014123; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:44:46 -0700 Message-Id: <200307311444.h6VEikM7014123@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RE: Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day To: mylest@teleport.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ralph Merwin" Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: <005001c356ca$3ce837e0$67081ad8@laptop> from "Myles Twete" at Jul 30, 2003 10:30:01 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Myles Twete writes: > > As for Woodburn/NEDRA, I couldn't say. I don't know anything about poor EV > representation at last year's races. Huh? There may have been fewer racers, but there were more street EVs there than usual. The area around the charging pole was filled to capacity. Ralph From oeva-list-admin Thu Jul 31 07:51:58 2003 Received: from obsidian.spiritone.com (obsidian.spiritone.com [216.99.193.137]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6VEpvmG070132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:51:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by obsidian.spiritone.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6VEqUgu002830; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:52:30 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by shell1.aracnet.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6VEqVYM014271; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:52:31 -0700 Message-Id: <200307311452.h6VEqVYM014271@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day To: mylest@teleport.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ralph Merwin" Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org, mhoustonx@aol.com, etimes@teleport.com, tony@notebene.net In-Reply-To: <005101c356ca$3e59f050$67081ad8@laptop> from "Myles Twete" at Jul 30, 2003 11:40:10 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Myles Twete writes: > > Ordinarily true, but we had it in the bag and it was only $$$$ which kept it > from happening. We were pretty close, but never got the OK from the City about our insurance. From what I understand, their wording didn't fly with the insurance company unless we wanted a more expensive policy. So, maybe it was just a matter of money, but we'll never know now. One thing I do know is that the $$$$ involved may have been over $2000 when it was all said and done. That's a pretty expensive way to "get the word out". If we do an expensive venue in the future we will have to charge a vendor's fee to businesses and/or get sponsorship. > A friend of mine came to the plaza on saturday and brought a friend with > him. He later told me that they were lucky to find the event as he didn't > see any ads in the paper in all the usual places (he looked everywhere) and > he only had my word that it was even happening at all. We usually do have publicity. We dropped the ball this year. > We could consider > issuing the monthly single page newsletter as now and then beef up every 3rd > month's newsletter to be one that better reflects what we are. Good idea! Bring it up at the next meeting. I also like the the idea of electronic newsletters. I think most people have e-mail now. We talked about doing this a couple of years ago but at the time I didn't have an easy easy to get the newsletter from my WinDoze system to the Internet. Now that Gary is doing the newsletter mabye this is an option. Ralph From oeva-list-admin Thu Jul 31 09:52:01 2003 Received: from capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net (capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.180]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6VGq1mF095918 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:52:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from apx1-09-25.pdx.du.teleport.com ([216.26.7.25] helo=laptop) by capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19iGem-0004uE-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:52:00 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Myles Twete" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] RE: Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:45:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c35784$0d995cc0$19071ad8@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <200307311444.h6VEikM7014123@shell1.aracnet.com> Importance: Normal Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: > Huh? There may have been fewer racers, but there were more > street EVs there > than usual. The area around the charging pole was filled to capacity. > > Ralph That's encouraging. It would be neat if electric barstools were again allowed. It was Marshall who stated: "Last year they [Woodburn drags] really were truly embarrassing from all accounts, strangers and regulars alike." -Myles From oeva-list-admin Thu Jul 31 09:52:04 2003 Received: from capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net (capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.180]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6VGq4mF095938 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:52:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from apx1-09-25.pdx.du.teleport.com ([216.26.7.25] helo=laptop) by capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19iGep-0004vC-00; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:52:04 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Myles Twete" To: Cc: , , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:45:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c35784$0f422ac0$19071ad8@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <200307311452.h6VEqVYM014271@shell1.aracnet.com> Importance: Normal Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: >> We could consider issuing the monthly single page newsletter as now and then >> beef up every 3rd month's newsletter to be one that better reflects what we are. > > Ralph suggested: > > Good idea! Bring it up at the next meeting. > > I also like the the idea of electronic newsletters. I think > most people have e-mail now. We talked about doing this a couple of years ago but > at the time I didn't have an easy easy to get the newsletter from my > WinDoze system to the Internet. Now that Gary is doing the newsletter > mabye this is an option. It does make sense. Nearly everyone these days has online access, email and a printer---even more so in our EV community. I never expected to see the day when so many steamboaters and steamcar old farts were online and that our newsletters were going optionally electronic---but it happened. We have lots of potential articles for inclusion in the newsletter: Electric Boat conversion (me) AC Motor Controller design experiences (Ives) NiCAD lessons (Ralph) Hybrid-to-Electric conversion (Gary/Viktor) LiIon batteries (Viktor) Solid Modeling for EV conversions (George Tylinski) etc. What's the problem with sending a MS-Word version of the newsletter to an OEVA distribution list via the internet? That's how I get the NW/Steam Auto quarterly newsletter. Thanks, Ralph, for pointing out that historically we've had many EV Awareness events which were off the beaten path and that this was not a first. I probably should have thought about that before raising stink about my impressions and expectations of the event...my apologies to all.p -Myles From oeva-list-admin Thu Jul 31 11:29:47 2003 Received: from obsidian.spiritone.com (obsidian.spiritone.com [216.99.193.137]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6VITkmG016879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by obsidian.spiritone.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6VIQQgu008995; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:26:26 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by shell1.aracnet.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6VIQPm2019786; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:26:25 -0700 Message-Id: <200307311826.h6VIQPm2019786@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day To: mylest@teleport.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:26:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ralph Merwin" Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org, mhoustonx@aol.com, etimes@teleport.com, tony@notebene.net In-Reply-To: <000301c35784$0f422ac0$19071ad8@laptop> from "Myles Twete" at Jul 31, 2003 09:45:57 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Myles Twete writes: > > It does make sense. > Nearly everyone these days has online access, email and a printer---even > more so in our EV community. I never expected to see the day when so many > steamboaters and steamcar old farts were online and that our newsletters > were going optionally electronic---but it happened. > > We have lots of potential articles for inclusion in the newsletter: > > Electric Boat conversion (me) > AC Motor Controller design experiences (Ives) > NiCAD lessons (Ralph) > Hybrid-to-Electric conversion (Gary/Viktor) > LiIon batteries (Viktor) > Solid Modeling for EV conversions (George Tylinski) > etc. I would be happy to write up my experience with NiCads, and my general theory about pack sizing. > What's the problem with sending a MS-Word version of the newsletter to an > OEVA distribution list via the internet? That's how I get the NW/Steam Auto > quarterly newsletter. Well, when I was doing the newsletter it was in MS Publish format and done on a Win95 system that was (intentionally) not allowed on the Internet. Now that Gary is doing the newsletter it may be easier to do electronically. > Thanks, Ralph, for pointing out that historically we've had many EV > Awareness events which were off the beaten path and that this was not a > first. I probably should have thought about that before raising stink about > my impressions and expectations of the event...my apologies to all.p No apologies needed. I think it's healthy for us to look at these issues. Otherwise we could stagnate. Ralph From oeva-list-admin Thu Jul 31 12:05:34 2003 Received: from agora.rdrop.com (202@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h6VJ5YmG025214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from alan@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.6/Submit) id h6VJ5YYS025213 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:05:34 -0700 From: Alan Batie To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Comments on 2003 EV Awareness Day Message-ID: <20030731190534.GQ7630@agora.rdrop.com> References: <200307311452.h6VEqVYM014271@shell1.aracnet.com> <000301c35784$0f422ac0$19071ad8@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000301c35784$0f422ac0$19071ad8@laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 09:45:57AM -0700, Myles Twete wrote: > What's the problem with sending a MS-Word version of the newsletter to an > OEVA distribution list via the internet? Because it's a proprietary format that not everyone can read. The best way is to put it on the web site (as HTML) and mail out the URL. Second best would be a PDF --- it's still proprietary, but at least it's a defacto standard for platform independent viewing. - -- Alan Batie ______ alan.batie.org Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ spamassassin.taint.org NO SPAM! To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBPylofov4wNua7QglAQEXGQP/fe2aVEu5sJTGk3vJ4fKIOdEvnOaYOT5v Hzsu0zZ9SEkQZV4dbe3CL5uDEHbDJa32K/TBAYvzLdaPxBOHimWts5NXwMITkvAK mgMGbTlDYyn3cuKp82c0d2neh89kH3Dz614II46BXck+IMaNe+bDYEmOlpH4xweN xjKahTKxwhA= =hyPp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oeva-list-admin Tue Aug 5 05:38:46 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h75CckmF059566 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 05:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (12-206-12-228.client.attbi.com[12.206.12.228](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003080512333201300g68rqe>; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:33:32 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 05:33:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C35B13.1E1D5190" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [Oeva-list] Beefy 48V Charger Available Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C35B13.1E1D5190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone interested in a 48V 50+ amp battery charger for $75? I picked up 2 but only need 1. These are pretty nice, but big and heavy. Will run on 120 or 240 single phase. Adjustable everything. 2 adjustable/selectable output voltages "float" and "equalize". I have mine set up for about a 30 amp current limit and it runs on a 20 amp 120 volt outlet. Output voltages have a pretty wide range of adjustment, to over 62 volts. Also can operate as a DC power supply without batteries attached. Originally was set up to charge a lead-calcium battery bank for the telephone company. Charger is identical to the one shown at this link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11772&item=2547493929 Rick Barnes Aloha, OR ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C35B13.1E1D5190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone = interested in=20 a 48V 50+ amp battery charger for $75? I picked up 2 but only need 1. = These are=20 pretty nice, but big and heavy. Will run on 120 or 240 single phase. = Adjustable=20 everything. 2 adjustable/selectable output voltages "float" and = "equalize". I=20 have mine set up for about a 30 amp current limit and it runs on a 20 = amp 120=20 volt outlet. Output voltages have a pretty wide range of adjustment, to = over 62=20 volts.
 
Also = can operate as=20 a DC power supply without batteries attached.
 
Originally was set=20 up to charge a lead-calcium battery bank for the telephone=20 company.
 
Charger is identical=20 to the one shown at this link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am= p;category=3D11772&item=3D2547493929
 
Rick=20 Barnes
Aloha, = OR
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C35B13.1E1D5190-- From oeva-list-admin Thu Aug 7 14:24:47 2003 Received: from caduceus.jf.intel.com (fmr06.intel.com [134.134.136.7]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h77LOlVl065085 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from petasus.jf.intel.com (petasus.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.6]) by caduceus.jf.intel.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6/d: outer.mc,v 1.66 2003/05/22 21:17:36 rfjohns1 Exp $) with ESMTP id h77LIas24653 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:18:38 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.54]) by petasus.jf.intel.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6/d: inner.mc,v 1.35 2003/05/22 21:18:01 rfjohns1 Exp $) with SMTP id h77LJau01497 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:19:37 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.2.11) with SMTP id M2003080714243313775 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:24:34 -0700 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:24:08 -0700 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 14:24:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: any newsletter items for August? Thread-Index: AcNdKSldW2KONubXSRCQh69JPRufawAAQQvQ From: "Graunke, Gary" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2003 21:24:08.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C8DC740:01C35D2A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id h77LOlVl065103 Subject: [Oeva-list] any newsletter items for August? Sender: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org Errors-To: oeva-list-admin@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Once again I'll be putting out the newsletter/meeting notice this Saturday, so please send me any news or agenda items. From mylest@teleport.com Thu Sep 11 14:38:58 2003 Received: from badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net (badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.20]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h8BLcuJt042076 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.181]) by badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8BLILv14518 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apx1-04-220.pdx.du.teleport.com ([216.26.2.220] helo=laptop) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19xYpY-0000Wc-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:18:20 -0700 From: "Myles Twete" To: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:17:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c378aa$2d8bdca0$dc021ad8@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002401c35716$9d3ea010$bb081ad8@laptop> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: mylest@teleport.com List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:38:58 -0000 Can it be that we are having our OEVA meeting tonite, September 11th at the World Trade Center...? I know the answer's yes, as I just checked our website---but I was wondering whether we were indeed having a meeting tonite since I didn't see a newsletter this month yet.... -Myles Twete From rmerwin@aracnet.com Thu Sep 11 14:58:54 2003 Received: from citrine.spiritone.com (citrine.spiritone.com [216.99.193.133]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h8BLwkJu048294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:58:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by citrine.spiritone.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h8BLpJIH010153; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:51:19 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by shell1.aracnet.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8BLuUJN010455; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:56:30 -0700 Message-Id: <200309112156.h8BLuUJN010455@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting To: mylest@teleport.com Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ralph Merwin" In-Reply-To: <000b01c378aa$2d8bdca0$dc021ad8@laptop> from "Myles Twete" at Sep 11, 2003 02:17:55 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:58:55 -0000 Myles Twete writes: > > Can it be that we are having our OEVA meeting tonite, September 11th at the > World Trade Center...? Yep. > I know the answer's yes, as I just checked our website---but I was wondering > whether we were indeed having a meeting tonite since I didn't see a > newsletter this month yet.... I got my newsletter a day or two ago. Yours may arrive today. Ralph From barnes.rick@comcast.net Thu Oct 9 05:44:00 2003 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h99Ci0AY033356 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:44:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (12-203-90-154.client.attbi.com[12.203.90.154]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20031009123848012004hdo8e>; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:38:48 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:38:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c38e62$4b08c130$6600a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C38E27.9EA9E930" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: [Oeva-list] Any EV's For Sale? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:44:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C38E27.9EA9E930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for a new EV project, under $3K. Have any leads/tips for = me? =20 The "golf truck" was damaged in a fire in my garage... See the link for = a before and after photo: = http://home.comcast.net/~barnes.rick/Fire/Fire23.jpg =20 I learned homeowners insurance does not cover any motor vehicles at all, fire/theft coverage is only available through auto insurance. I lost 3 vehicles in the fire. A piece of advice: get additional fire/theft = insurance for your ATV, boat, or vehicle. =20 =20 Rick Barnes Aloha, OR ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C38E27.9EA9E930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I am = looking for a=20 new EV project, under $3K. Have any leads/tips for = me?
 
The = "golf truck" was=20 damaged in a fire in my garage... See the link for a before and after = photo: http://home= .comcast.net/~barnes.rick/Fire/Fire23.jpg
 
I = learned homeowners=20 insurance does not cover any motor vehicles at all, fire/theft coverage = is only=20 available through auto insurance. I lost 3 vehicles in the fire. A piece = of=20 advice: get additional fire/theft insurance for your ATV, boat, or=20 vehicle.
 
 
   =20 Rick Barnes
   =20 Aloha, OR
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C38E27.9EA9E930-- From jearle@whiteselectronics.com Thu Oct 9 15:22:54 2003 Received: from email.whiteselectronics.com ([65.173.224.61]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h99MMoCo072314 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:22:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jearle@whiteselectronics.com) Received: from [65.173.224.2] (helo=EngJohnEarle) by email.whiteselectronics.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 1A7ihT-0004Ag-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:51:59 -0700 From: "John Earle" To: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200310092002.h99K20Cp035344@agora.rdrop.com> Importance: Normal Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:22:56 -0000 I know of an electric drive package for sale in Yakima. If interested, e mail me and I'll give you the info. john earle -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On Behalf Of oeva-list-request@oeva.org Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 1:02 PM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request@oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-owner@oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Any EV's For Sale? (Rick Barnes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:38:45 -0700 From: "Rick Barnes" Subject: [Oeva-list] Any EV's For Sale? To: Message-ID: <000201c38e62$4b08c130$6600a8c0@laundryroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am looking for a new EV project, under $3K. Have any leads/tips for me? The "golf truck" was damaged in a fire in my garage... See the link for a before and after photo: http://home.comcast.net/~barnes.rick/Fire/Fire23.jpg I learned homeowners insurance does not cover any motor vehicles at all, fire/theft coverage is only available through auto insurance. I lost 3 vehicles in the fire. A piece of advice: get additional fire/theft insurance for your ATV, boat, or vehicle. Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:49:58 -0700 Message-ID: <006701c39294$bed326b0$46051ad8@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C3925A.12744EB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201c38e62$4b08c130$6600a8c0@laundryroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: mylest@teleport.com List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:50:12 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C3925A.12744EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageRick- I looked at the pictures ( http://home.comcast.net/~barnes.rick/ ) and all I can say is it is good that the house was untouched and noone was hurt. It's truly sad to hear. Do you have any idea what caused the blaze? Thanks for the suggestions on insurance and best of luck. -Myles Twete -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On Behalf Of Rick Barnes Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 5:39 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Any EV's For Sale? I am looking for a new EV project, under $3K. Have any leads/tips for me? The "golf truck" was damaged in a fire in my garage... See the link for a before and after photo: http://home.comcast.net/~barnes.rick/Fire/Fire23.jpg I learned homeowners insurance does not cover any motor vehicles at all, fire/theft coverage is only available through auto insurance. I lost 3 vehicles in the fire. A piece of advice: get additional fire/theft insurance for your ATV, boat, or vehicle. Rick Barnes Aloha, OR ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C3925A.12744EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Rick-
I=20 looked at the pictures ( http://home.comcast.net/~b= arnes.rick/ ) =20 and all I can say is it is good that the house was untouched and noone = was=20 hurt.  It's truly sad to hear.
Do you=20 have any idea what caused the blaze?
Thanks=20 for the suggestions on insurance and best of luck.
 
-Myles=20 Twete
-----Original Message-----
From: = oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org=20 [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On Behalf Of Rick=20 Barnes
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 5:39 = AM
To:=20 oeva-list@oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] Any EV's For=20 Sale?

I am = looking for a=20 new EV project, under $3K. Have any leads/tips for=20 me?
 
The = "golf truck"=20 was damaged in a fire in my garage... See the link for a before and = after=20 photo: http://home= .comcast.net/~barnes.rick/Fire/Fire23.jpg
 
I = learned=20 homeowners insurance does not cover any motor vehicles at all, = fire/theft=20 coverage is only available through auto insurance. I lost 3 vehicles = in the=20 fire. A piece of advice: get additional fire/theft insurance for your = ATV,=20 boat, or vehicle.
 
 
   =20 Rick Barnes
   =20 Aloha, OR
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C3925A.12744EB0-- From gary.graunke@intel.com Mon Oct 20 11:28:19 2003 Received: from caduceus.jf.intel.com (fmr06.intel.com [134.134.136.7]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h9KISICo076737 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from talaria.jf.intel.com (talaria.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.7]) by caduceus.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: outer.mc, v 1.66 2003/05/22 21:17:36 rfjohns1 Exp $) with ESMTP id h9KIRmGu004442 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:27:49 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by talaria.jf.intel.com (8.11.6-20030918-01/8.11.6/d: inner.mc, v 1.35 2003/05/22 21:18:01 rfjohns1 Exp $) with SMTP id h9KHiXo25766 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:44:33 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.2.11) with SMTP id M2003102011280203501 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:28:02 -0700 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:28:00 -0700 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:28:00 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Emailing: eBayISAPI Thread-Index: AcOU6wvBhXVBoCZ7S2y5f7ItdVE7UwCTF8gQ From: "Graunke, Gary" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2003 18:28:00.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[E447EBE0:01C39737] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id h9KISICo076737 Subject: [Oeva-list] Solectria EV for sale locally X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:28:19 -0000 Sorry to bother everyone, but it's not often that we see a chance to buy a production quality EV locally! I have no idea who the seller is, or the condition of the car. However, for some us, this might be worth checking out! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Wallace, Paul Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:13 PM To: Graunke, Gary Subject: Emailing: eBayISAPI http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2437823144 &category=6242 Your files are attached and ready to send with this message. Do you suppose that there is anyone in the OEVA that would be interested in a '97 Solectria 4 door lead acid geo metro? It is in Wilsonville so no shipping charges. Opening bid is $7500 and there is one bidder. Paul From barnes.rick@comcast.net Sat Nov 8 09:40:52 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hA8HeqIw055771 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:40:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (12-203-90-154.client.attbi.com[12.203.90.154]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20031108173538014005pekme>; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:35:38 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 09:35:35 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c3a61e$baaa79b0$6600a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3A5DB.AC8739B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [Oeva-list] Who has a crimper? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:40:52 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3A5DB.AC8739B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have a crimper for #1 AWG lugs? If so, can I get together with you either this weekend, or at the next OEVA meeting? I just a have a small job, making up cables for my new PFC50 charger. Need to make about 6 crimps. Thanks, Rick Barnes Aloha, OR pgr 503-204-5076 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3A5DB.AC8739B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Does = anyone have a=20 crimper for #1 AWG lugs?
 
If so, = can I get=20 together with you either this weekend, or at the next OEVA=20 meeting?
 
I just = a have a=20 small job, making up cables for my new PFC50 charger. Need to make about = 6=20 crimps.
 
Thanks,
   =20 Rick Barnes
   =20 Aloha, OR
   =20 pgr 503-204-5076
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C3A5DB.AC8739B0-- From mylest@teleport.com Sat Nov 8 10:03:24 2003 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.181]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hA8I3NIw060352 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:03:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from apx1-04-233.pdx.du.teleport.com ([216.26.2.233] helo=laptop) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AIXQg-00020x-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:03:22 -0800 From: "Myles Twete" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Who has a crimper? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:03:15 -0800 Message-ID: <001101c3a622$9619fbd0$e9021ad8@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3A5DF.87F6BBD0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000201c3a61e$baaa79b0$6600a8c0@laundryroom> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: mylest@teleport.com List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:03:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3A5DF.87F6BBD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MessageI have a hammer crimper you could use...but I'm on the eastside. Also, hammer crimpers are pretty cheap---if they'll work for you. Mine will crimp from say, 4ga to 2/0...and hammering's kinda fun. -Myles -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On Behalf Of Rick Barnes Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:36 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Who has a crimper? Does anyone have a crimper for #1 AWG lugs? If so, can I get together with you either this weekend, or at the next OEVA meeting? I just a have a small job, making up cables for my new PFC50 charger. Need to make about 6 crimps. Thanks, Rick Barnes Aloha, OR pgr 503-204-5076 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3A5DF.87F6BBD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I have=20 a hammer crimper you could use...but I'm on the = eastside.
Also,=20 hammer crimpers are pretty cheap---if they'll work for = you.
Mine=20 will crimp from say, 4ga to 2/0...and hammering's kinda = fun.
-Myles
-----Original Message-----
From: = oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org=20 [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On Behalf Of Rick=20 Barnes
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:36 = AM
To:=20 oeva-list@oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] Who has a=20 crimper?

Does = anyone have a=20 crimper for #1 AWG lugs?
 
If = so, can I get=20 together with you either this weekend, or at the next OEVA=20 meeting?
 
I = just a have a=20 small job, making up cables for my new PFC50 charger. Need to make = about 6=20 crimps.
 
Thanks,
   =20 Rick Barnes
   =20 Aloha, OR
   =20 pgr 503-204-5076
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C3A5DF.87F6BBD0-- From barnes.rick@comcast.net Sat Nov 8 17:59:06 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hA91x6Iw057538 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:59:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (12-203-90-154.client.attbi.com[12.203.90.154]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003110901532401500qngsie>; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 01:53:24 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Who has a crimper? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:53:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3a664$43ba0230$6600a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3A621.3596C230" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101c3a622$9619fbd0$e9021ad8@laptop> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 01:59:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3A621.3596C230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Myles: Thanks for the response. I found a bolt cutter style crimper at NAPA, they let me use it for free. Thanks, Rick -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Myles Twete Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:03 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Who has a crimper? I have a hammer crimper you could use...but I'm on the eastside. Also, hammer crimpers are pretty cheap---if they'll work for you. Mine will crimp from say, 4ga to 2/0...and hammering's kinda fun. -Myles -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On Behalf Of Rick Barnes Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:36 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Who has a crimper? Does anyone have a crimper for #1 AWG lugs? If so, can I get together with you either this weekend, or at the next OEVA meeting? I just a have a small job, making up cables for my new PFC50 charger. Need to make about 6 crimps. Thanks, Rick Barnes Aloha, OR pgr 503-204-5076 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3A621.3596C230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Myles:
 
Thanks=20 for the response. I found a bolt cutter style crimper at NAPA, they let = me use=20 it for free.
 
Thanks,
    Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On = Behalf Of=20 Myles Twete
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:03=20 AM
To: oeva-list@oeva.org
Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] = Who has=20 a crimper?

I=20 have a hammer crimper you could use...but I'm on the=20 eastside.
Also, hammer crimpers are pretty cheap---if they'll work for=20 you.
Mine=20 will crimp from say, 4ga to 2/0...and hammering's kinda=20 fun.
-Myles
-----Original Message-----
From: = oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org=20 [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On Behalf Of Rick=20 Barnes
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 9:36 = AM
To:=20 oeva-list@oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] Who has a=20 crimper?

Does anyone have=20 a crimper for #1 AWG lugs?
 
If = so, can I get=20 together with you either this weekend, or at the next OEVA=20 meeting?
 
I = just a have a=20 small job, making up cables for my new PFC50 charger. Need to make = about 6=20 crimps.
 
Thanks,
    Rick = Barnes
    Aloha, = OR
    pgr=20 = 503-204-5076
------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3A621.3596C230-- From rmerwin@aracnet.com Sat Nov 8 20:20:10 2003 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:EUH/uTaSTJPmlS1Y3xIAQDphf8mGB6AR@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hA94K9Ix081118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hA93t8Qk022723; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:55:08 -0800 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA93t8S4022721; Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:55:08 -0800 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200311090355.hA93t8S4022721@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Who has a crimper? To: barnes.rick@comcast.net (Rick Barnes) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:55:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000001c3a664$43ba0230$6600a8c0@laundryroom> from "Rick Barnes" at Nov 08, 2003 05:53:25 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: mylest@teleport.com, oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 04:20:10 -0000 Maybe this would be a good first tool to have in the OEVA tool lending library. Evparts.com sells good hex crimpers for $180. Good wire cutters sell for about $20, and a heat gun goes for $40. With this set, someone could build the heavy wiring for their vehicle. We could talk about this at next week's meeting. Ralph From Rick_Durst@pgn.com Mon Nov 10 19:02:18 2003 Received: from pgn.com ([198.107.240.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id hAB32HIw099127 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:02:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rick_Durst@pgn.com) Received: from WIZ-Message_Server by pgn.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:41:49 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.7.1 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:41:39 -0800 From: "Rick Durst" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_D688547D.107112D2" Subject: [Oeva-list] Parts for a Sparrow X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:02:18 -0000 This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_D688547D.107112D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PGE's Sparrow is dead...It seems to be a "black box" near the controller. = Anyone have a service manual that can help identify the part and have any = ideas on getting it repaired. Anyone want to help fix it? =20 Rick Durst 503-464-7631 --=_D688547D.107112D2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
PGE's Sparrow is dead...It seems to be a "black box" near the = controller.  Anyone have a service manual that can help identify the = part and have any ideas on getting it repaired.  Anyone want to help = fix it?
 
Rick Durst
503-464-7631
--=_D688547D.107112D2-- From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Mon Nov 10 21:45:18 2003 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hAB5jIIx035544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:45:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from ordersomewherechaos.com (unknown [63.227.218.225]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7609AB087; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:13:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:13:32 -0800 X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu, oeva-list@oeva.org From: RossO In-Reply-To: <200311102029.hAAKTqx04327@hera.sjsu.edu> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Cc: james denny Subject: [Oeva-list] FS: 1988 Ford Ranger conversion, in Eugene Oregon X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:45:19 -0000 Normally I would not do this, but the seller is... "motivated", and having difficulty subscribing. Please contact James directly, not me! ...Ross... =========================== From: http://www.oeva.org/forsale/ =========================== For Sale: 1988 Ford Ranger conversion. Reduced Price! * 27 H.P. G.E. d.c. shunt motor/G.E. control with regen. * 120 V. from 20 Trojan T-125 batteries. * Range 30-35 miles * Good mechanical condition * good paint * nearly new tires * $7,500 * First Posted: 10/19/2003 I have driven it 27,000 miles and am well satisfied with the performance. Must sell due to relocation where it cannot be taken. James Denny, jdenny@willamette.net, phone 541-688-2236 -- "Lymph (v.), to walk with a lisp." - Washington Post contest entry. From alan@agora.rdrop.com Fri Nov 14 19:12:35 2003 Received: from agora.rdrop.com (202@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hAF3CZvE053066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:12:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alan@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from alan@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.9/Submit) id hAF3CYhm053065; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:12:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:12:34 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: Rick Durst Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Parts for a Sparrow Message-ID: <20031115031234.GA52786@agora.rdrop.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:12:35 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:41:39PM -0800, Rick Durst wrote: > PGE's Sparrow is dead...It seems to be a "black box" near the controller. > Anyone have a service manual that can help identify the part and have > any ideas on getting it repaired. Anyone want to help fix it? There isn't any such thing as a "service manual" for the sparrows, unfortunately... - -- Alan Batie ______ alan.batie.org Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ spamassassin.taint.org NO SPAM! To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - -Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President (1858-1919) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBP7WZoov4wNua7QglAQFEFQP+O/DZ4A848ceJnzbeUKlVTH10GuSij+N+ NUYta4IOHh3fdYXbkIJlJI5jlKJ37FDDHxkZ7+tty5jRTz+r8WJV1o0UnqCeTL1P YR5mGCVkpJR0JMgtOhK+aeTaKyMy3d6qs5U3qKcBQ+hS+VyRBEwTIGcZsWOkd9Xz vHEPYeigmtM= =j9cN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Sun Nov 23 21:48:08 2003 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hAO5m6B8054018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:48:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from ordersomewherechaos.com (216-99-213-165.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.213.165]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22735B0A1 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:48:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:48:02 -0800 X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: RossO To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200310251900.h9PJ0GIw016065@agora.rdrop.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: [Oeva-list] Updates to OEVA.org Web site X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:48:09 -0000 I've been working on the web site again, this weekend. Looking at the home page you may notice a new "headlines" section which I hope will have the latest in EV news posted to it on a regular basis. Mostly, I'm trying to draw from of the EVDL, Google News, Electrifying Times and PRNewswire to find things to post. If you guys ever come across an interesting article, post it to this list or send it to me. If you'd like to help post to the News Log, let me know and I'll show you how to update it. http://www.oeva.org/ ...Ross... _______________________________________________________ - -- Ross Olson, Webkeeper, oeva@badseed.org - -- Oregon Electric Vehicle Association - -- http://www.oeva.org/ From jrab@e-m-w.com Tue Nov 25 12:40:41 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hAPKefB7079551 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:40:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrab@e-m-w.com) Received: from [192.168.0.158] (12-224-19-169.client.attbi.com[12.224.19.169]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003112520352901400n9k4qe>; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:35:29 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:35:28 -0800 From: John RA Benson To: Oregon EV Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] How many EV's in OR? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:40:41 -0000 Does anyone know offhand how many EV's there are in Oregon? Just curious. Thanks JRAB From java@xprt.net Wed Nov 26 16:59:28 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hAR0xSB7069272 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:59:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from java@xprt.net) Received: from swb (12-224-47-176.client.attbi.com[12.224.47.176]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003112700541601500prncie>; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:54:16 +0000 Message-ID: <005201c3b481$53d8bdc0$787ba8c0@attbi.com> From: To: "John RA Benson" , "Oregon EV" References: Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] How many EV's in OR? Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:56:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:59:28 -0000 Count me in as having a non-running EV. I've got an 87 Mazda Pickup that was converted by the city of Eugene. I drove it for 6 months until the controller died, now its waiting for me to replace the original GE controller with a more mainstream controller I can service. Anyone got a deal on a 500 amp 120 volt controller or maybe a functional GE EV100 controller? Thanks Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RA Benson" To: "Oregon EV" Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] How many EV's in OR? > Does anyone know offhand how many EV's there are in Oregon? Just curious. > > Thanks > JRAB > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From rmerwin@aracnet.com Thu Nov 27 10:12:02 2003 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:H0VXyoPfP/K9bV6jRkxQJ9SLxXFVHkb3@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hARIC0B8082196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:12:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hARI9vQk025389 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:09:57 -0800 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hARI9vt9025387 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:09:57 -0800 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200311271809.hARI9vt9025387@onyx.spiritone.com> To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:09:57 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: electric car display X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:12:03 -0000 I got a request from Laura Deehan (laura@washpirg.org) for a couple of electric vehicles for a display at PSU on December 3rd. Her e-mail is attached below. I think she has a hybrid lined up and is looking for a pure electric or two. If you can attend the event, please contact her directly. Ralph > From: laura@washpirg.org > To: prizmev@yahoo.com > Subject: electric car display > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:52:49 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Length: 658 > > Hi! > I work with OSPIRG at Portland State University and we are organizing > a renewable/ alternative vehicle fair on December 3rd on campus from > 9am until 6pm, and I was wondering if you know of any electric/ > alternative fueled vehicle owners that would be willing to bring > their car on campus that day to display their vehicle. We have > permission to have three cars on campus. Flex car is bringing one > car, already and so we have two more spots open. it would be a great > way to educate students about the possibilities of purchasing > electric cars and the solutions that are already available in lieu of > gas guzzlers. Let me know what you think. > Laura Deehan From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Thu Nov 27 22:45:05 2003 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id hAS6j4B8029820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 22:45:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from ordersomewherechaos.com (216-99-213-165.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.213.165]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B742B08C for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2003 22:44:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:59:51 -0800 X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Fwd: electric car display Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: RossO To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200311271809.hARI9vt9025387@onyx.spiritone.com> Message-Id: <434903BB-2114-11D8-B948-00039344DDD6@ordersomewherechaos.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:45:05 -0000 I'm posting this to the OEVA web site News section. http://www.oeva.org ...Ross... On Thursday, November 27, 2003, at 10:09 AM, Ralph Merwin wrote: > > I got a request from Laura Deehan (laura@washpirg.org) for a couple of > electric vehicles for a display at PSU on December 3rd. Her e-mail is > attached below. I think she has a hybrid lined up and is looking for > a pure electric or two. If you can attend the event, please contact > her directly. > > Ralph > > >> From: laura@washpirg.org >> To: prizmev@yahoo.com >> Subject: electric car display >> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:52:49 -0500 >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> Content-Length: 658 >> >> Hi! >> I work with OSPIRG at Portland State University and we are organizing >> a renewable/ alternative vehicle fair on December 3rd on campus from >> 9am until 6pm, and I was wondering if you know of any electric/ >> alternative fueled vehicle owners that would be willing to bring >> their car on campus that day to display their vehicle. We have >> permission to have three cars on campus. Flex car is bringing one >> car, already and so we have two more spots open. it would be a great >> way to educate students about the possibilities of purchasing >> electric cars and the solutions that are already available in lieu of >> gas guzzlers. Let me know what you think. >> Laura Deehan > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From gary.graunke@intel.com Tue Jan 6 12:48:21 2004 Received: from hermes.jf.intel.com (fmr05.intel.com [134.134.136.6]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i06KmLtU090703 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:48:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from petasus.jf.intel.com (petasus.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.6]) by hermes.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-outer.mc, v 1.12 2003/12/18 18:58:11 root Exp $) with ESMTP id i06ITqUY008061 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:29:52 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by petasus.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-inner.mc, v 1.7 2003/12/18 18:58:10 root Exp $) with SMTP id i06IRNaw023870 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:28:24 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004010610275026792 for ; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:27:50 -0800 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:27:50 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:27:50 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OEVA meeting Thursday Jan 8 7:30-9:00 pm Thread-Index: AcPUgspwjj9vSfnSTceQA9Hm5H5irA== From: "Graunke, Gary" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2004 18:27:50.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[CABC9760:01C3D482] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id i06KmLtU090703 Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting Thursday Jan 8 7:30-9:00 pm X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 20:48:21 -0000 We'll have our first meeting of the year on Thursday, Jan 8, 7:30 to 9:00. As of today, there is not a special program, so we'll have more time to talk about projects. (Anyone want to talk about battery insulation/heaters?). Gary From mylest@teleport.com Wed Jan 7 17:27:19 2004 Received: from flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.148]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i081RGtU059514 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:27:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.181]) by flavatown.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i07N8vs18883 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:09:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from apx1-05-16.pdx.du.teleport.com ([216.26.3.16] helo=laptop) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AeMnG-0007PR-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 15:08:55 -0800 From: "Myles Twete" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting Thursday Jan 8 7:30-9:00 pm Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 15:03:50 -0800 Message-ID: <001f01c3d573$2ed8c7a0$10031ad8@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3D530.20B587A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000F9BF7106ED945F47B0F0E4E2806BAC14A4D24200 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: mylest@teleport.com List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:27:19 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3D530.20B587A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See you all there---barring more freezing rain... No quarterly newsletter yet...soliciting input from members for stories, articles, pics, ads, news, tech suggestions, good practices, gripes, etc. Feel free to email anything you'd like to include in a newsletter. See you tomorrow. -Myles -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On Behalf Of Graunke, Gary Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:28 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting Thursday Jan 8 7:30-9:00 pm We'll have our first meeting of the year on Thursday, Jan 8, 7:30 to 9:00. As of today, there is not a special program, so we'll have more time to talk about projects. (Anyone want to talk about battery insulation/heaters?). 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Anyone have an electric snowmobile? ;-) Gary From ejts@comcast.net Wed Jan 7 22:06:16 2004 Received: from staff.webbox.com (76.234.quiknet.com [207.183.234.76]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0866GtU029002 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:06:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69] by staff.webbox.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A3521CD0078; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:06:10 -0800 Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A34FC1D20072; Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:06:07 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting cancelled due to weather Message-Id: <0701047.79567@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:06:10 -0800 Cc: ev@Listproc.Sjsu.Edu, Ev@Listproc.Sjsu.Edu X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 06:06:17 -0000 I concur. I will be one of the most conservative drivers out there. Like, close to the last to get back on the roads. Just not worth the trouble and risk. Maybe it'll get good, but let's not push it. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >Since it is taking longer than everyone expected for the ice to clear out in >Portland and transportation to return to a safe state, we will cancel the >January 8 meeting. > >Anyone have an electric snowmobile? ;-) > >Gary From pbarrett@ieee.org Wed Jan 7 19:12:11 2004 Received: from mail14b.sanjose14-verio.com (mail14b.sanjose14-verio.com [128.121.143.16]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i083CAtU086241 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:12:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pbarrett@ieee.org) Received: from www.barrettengineering.com (128.121.136.108) by mail14b.sanjose14-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.88vs) with SMTP id 4-0743731104; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 22:05:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001501c3d594$03e94080$5fd2fea9@pentiumpro> From: "Patrick H. Barrett" To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 19:03:37 -0800 Organization: Barrett & Assoc. Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 00:35:56 -0800 Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: electric snowmobiles X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Patrick H. Barrett" List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 03:12:12 -0000 All; Unfortunately, I've got no e-snowmobile (an excellent idea!), but Today's paper reported that a woman was pulled from an airline flight when inspectors noticed "strange wires" dangling from her clothing. Turns out she was wearing a motorcycle jacket with built-in heating elements; an increasingly common item. Gerbing brand, perhaps? As a fellow biker I can appreciate the irony of this. And it makes me wonder what the airports will do as wearable computing becomes more popular? Pat Barrett Barrett & Assoc. Engineering POB 19847, Portland, OR 97280 503-245-0325, v pbarrett@ieee.org http://www.barrettengineering.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Graunke To: Cc: Ev@Listproc.Sjsu.Edu Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 6:06 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting cancelled due to weather > > Since it is taking longer than everyone expected for the ice to clear out in > Portland and transportation to return to a safe state, we will cancel the > January 8 meeting. > > Anyone have an electric snowmobile? ;-) > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From stevialarson@comcast.net Mon Jan 12 11:31:57 2004 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0CJVvtU078014 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:31:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevialarson@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.118 ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004011219264501400plepee>; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:26:45 +0000 Received: from [134.242.21.254] by 204.127.197.118; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:26:45 +0000 From: stevialarson@comcast.net To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:26:45 +0000 Message-Id: <011220041926.26105.5263@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 27 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: c3RldmlhbGFyc29uQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: [Oeva-list] insurance X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:31:57 -0000 Hello, I bought a conversion, but my insurance company won't insure it. Does anyone have an insurance company with which they have had a good experience? Thanks. Steve From jrab@e-m-w.com Mon Jan 12 22:43:13 2004 Received: from e-m-w.com (hidden-user@dhmail01.dollarhost.com [209.153.216.101]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0D6hDtU038472 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:43:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrab@e-m-w.com) Received: from [192.168.0.169] [12.225.235.19] by e-m-w.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AF6D40160238; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:25:49 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:25:37 -0800 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] insurance From: John RA Benson To: , Oregon EV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011220041926.26105.5263@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:43:14 -0000 That's downright ridiculous. The least they could do is insure it by blue book value. I've had good luck with Geico (800 841 3000). I just reinsured the Porsche 914 today, as a matter of fact. I thought about getting comprehensive and collision, but opted not to for several reasons, mainly because I'm not driving it a whole lot yet. But they were very helpful, and would have given me collision and comprehensive on the blue book of the non-coverted value. Probably worth about zip on a 1970 914, but they were willing to do it. Being electric didn't affect the quote - it's costing the same as the '84 Volvo wagon. To get comprehensive and collision, I would have had to insure it through a different division. Executive insurance of Geico (888 395 1200). They quoted about $100 more than my current baseline, for a "stated value" of $18,000. The reason for the different group is it would need to be insured as a "Stated Value" rather than the usual statistically determined way. That's also where they insure "classic" cars. By the way, Geico has been very good so far, at least in my experience. John RA Benson On 1/12/04 11:26 AM, "stevialarson@comcast.net" wrote: > Hello, > I bought a conversion, but my insurance company won't insure it. Does anyone > have an insurance company with which they have had a good experience? > Thanks. > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From barnes.rick@comcast.net Tue Jan 13 04:53:29 2004 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0DCrTtU007628 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:53:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004011312481601600nptv1e>; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:48:16 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] insurance Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:48:08 -0800 Message-ID: <000601c3d9d3$824199d0$6600a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <011220041926.26105.5263@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id i0DCrTtU007628 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:53:30 -0000 What insurance company won't insure your vehicle? (Possibly the issue is not the insurance company, maybe your agent is being uncooperative). I can not say I have had a good experience with any insurance company, they are all blood sucking leeches. I am using Farmer's to insure my 1986 Sprint conversion, and they insured my 1980 Cushman Low Speed Vehicle before it burned up in my garage fire. Before that, they insured an un-registered 1976 Melex golf car I was driving on 25MPH streets. I currently carry liability only on the 1986 Sprint (value is only about $2500). Keep in mind that you need to have full coverage on your auto policy to have fire and theft coverage. Your homeowners will not cover any type of motor vehicle, even if it is locked in your garage. I found this out the hard way when I lost 3 vehicles in a garage fire (all had liability coverage only). Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of stevialarson@comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:27 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] insurance Hello, I bought a conversion, but my insurance company won't insure it. Does anyone have an insurance company with which they have had a good experience? Thanks. Steve _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From gladed@glamber.com Tue Jan 13 08:14:47 2004 Received: from mooshu.glamber.com (dsl-94-62.peak.org [206.163.94.62]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0DGEjtV049142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:14:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gladed@glamber.com) Received: from DOOKU ([192.168.100.100]) by mooshu.glamber.com (8.12.8/8.12.5) with SMTP id i0DGh128018571 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:43:02 -0800 Message-ID: <00db01c3d9ea$81e63bf0$6464a8c0@DOOKU> From: "Glade" To: References: <000601c3d9d3$824199d0$6600a8c0@laundryroom> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] insurance Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:32:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:14:48 -0000 More insurance stories.... I ditched Farmer's after they refused to insure a house I was moving into (I don't have the patience to deal with more than one insurance company). I moved over to Corvallis's Ken Rodli at American Family, great no-fuss experience with him. 8 months later he insured my Gizmo without batting an eye! So I'm an Am-Fam believer. -Glade > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On > Behalf Of stevialarson@comcast.net > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:27 AM > To: oeva-list@oeva.org > Subject: [Oeva-list] insurance > > > Hello, > I bought a conversion, but my insurance company won't insure it. Does > anyone have an insurance company with which they have had a good experience? > Thanks. Steve _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From rmerwin@aracnet.com Tue Jan 13 08:31:55 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:/REGOyw0xMajQnyifBsCAhgLgkqWYqYI@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0DGVstV053971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:31:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0DFuZQx013163; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:56:35 -0800 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0DFuZSD013161; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:56:35 -0800 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200401131556.i0DFuZSD013161@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] insurance To: stevialarson@comcast.net Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:56:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <011220041926.26105.5263@comcast.net> from "stevialarson@comcast.net" at Jan 12, 2004 07:26:45 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:31:55 -0000 stevialarson@comcast.net writes: > > I bought a conversion, but my insurance company won't insure it. > Does anyone have an insurance company with which they have had a > good experience? Steve, I have my Geo Prizm conversion insured with State Farm. They cover it as a standard vehicle. Ralph From gary.graunke@intel.com Tue Jan 13 11:23:19 2004 Received: from hermes.jf.intel.com (fmr05.intel.com [134.134.136.6]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0DJNHtU095115 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from petasus.jf.intel.com (petasus.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.6]) by hermes.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-outer.mc, v 1.14 2004/01/09 00:51:16 root Exp $) with ESMTP id i0DJPM1g017771 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:25:22 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by petasus.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-inner.mc, v 1.7 2003/12/18 18:58:10 root Exp $) with SMTP id i0DJNpxJ022036 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:23:51 GMT Received: from orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.56]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004011311230923591 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:23:09 -0800 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:23:09 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Subject: FW: [Oeva-list] insurance Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:23:08 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Oeva-list] insurance Thread-Index: AcPZQvR9OX/xOiPgTMyZHFODt84RrAAxifrw From: "Graunke, Gary" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2004 19:23:09.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD682E80:01C3DA0A] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id i0DJNHtU095115 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:23:19 -0000 My insurance agent is Tom Rykert with State Farm. I've dealt with him for 23 years. I've never had a claim, so they are pretty happy to take my business. When I first insured my US Electricar S10, they found an underwriter to offer me the insurance at very reasonable rates (same as my gas cars). Of course, US Electricar was an auto manufacturer (and thus did the safety stuff required by the government). So it was not a conversion. I only got liability, so there was no problem with the vehicle value. I believe the actual insurer is not the standard State Farm, but my agent is helpful in making this all transparent to me. More recently, I insured my Insight with them, including comprehesive and collision. One fateful day, I called them to inform them that I had converted it to all electric. Initially, they had to call State Farm to see what to do. The answer in this case was that, since the vehicle was originally a hybrid, I merely upgraded existing components. The fact that I totally removed some components (such as the gas engine) didn't matter. They said, "people do this all the time to their cars". I continued to have comprehensive and collision, but they suggested I keep a list of all the components and their costs. (No experience filing a claim here, but I would still be a bit nervous, not having receipts for everything). More recently, premiums have increased, and, as I eventually do for all my cars, I dropped comprehensive and collision. If my Insight is involved in a collision, I want the components! I'm not sure this helps, but its worth a try. I believe that it's not just the insurance company but the agent that counts here. Good luck! Gary -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of stevialarson@comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:27 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] insurance Hello, I bought a conversion, but my insurance company won't insure it. Does anyone have an insurance company with which they have had a good experience? Thanks. Steve _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From stevialarson@comcast.net Tue Jan 13 21:16:45 2004 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0E5GjtU052257 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:16:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevialarson@comcast.net) Received: from 334FKT0 (c-67-168-243-140.client.comcast.net[67.168.243.140]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040114050947012006vq8qe>; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:09:47 +0000 From: "Steve and Olivia Larson" To: "'Rick Barnes'" , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] insurance Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:09:42 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c3da5c$9ef6b2c0$1501000a@334FKT0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601c3d9d3$824199d0$6600a8c0@laundryroom> Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: stevialarson@comcast.net List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:16:45 -0000 AAA is my soon-to-be previous insurance company. They said any modified vehicle is non-insurable with their current underwriter. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Barnes [mailto:barnes.rick@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:48 AM To: stevialarson@comcast.net; oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] insurance What insurance company won't insure your vehicle? (Possibly the issue is not the insurance company, maybe your agent is being uncooperative). I can not say I have had a good experience with any insurance company, they are all blood sucking leeches. I am using Farmer's to insure my 1986 Sprint conversion, and they insured my 1980 Cushman Low Speed Vehicle before it burned up in my garage fire. Before that, they insured an un-registered 1976 Melex golf car I was driving on 25MPH streets. I currently carry liability only on the 1986 Sprint (value is only about $2500). Keep in mind that you need to have full coverage on your auto policy to have fire and theft coverage. Your homeowners will not cover any type of motor vehicle, even if it is locked in your garage. I found this out the hard way when I lost 3 vehicles in a garage fire (all had liability coverage only). Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of stevialarson@comcast.net Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:27 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] insurance Hello, I bought a conversion, but my insurance company won't insure it. Does anyone have an insurance company with which they have had a good experience? Thanks. Steve _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From stevialarson@comcast.net Thu Jan 15 21:02:07 2004 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0G526tU004428 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:02:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevialarson@comcast.net) Received: from 334FKT0 (c-67-168-243-140.client.comcast.net[67.168.243.140]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004011605015801600ge7h0e>; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:01:58 +0000 From: "Steve and Olivia Larson" To: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:01:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c3dbed$dbe27790$1501000a@334FKT0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3DBAA.CDBF3790" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000D726A2A2EBC8374EB387803B0F97A1B1E4CEA001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [Oeva-list] automotive electrician needed X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: stevialarson@comcast.net List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:02:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C3DBAA.CDBF3790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'd like to thank everyone who helped me find an insurance company for my electric truck. I drove it for the first time, and found a few problems: a small drain on the 12V battery and a few other problems that an automotive electrician could solve. Does anyone have a favorite "mechanic" or does someone have the know-how and would like to make a few bucks? Thanks. 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X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:54:14 -0000 Does anyone have a scope I could borrow for a day to do some troubleshooting with? Either this weekend or next would be great. Thanks John RA Benson From Rick_Durst@pgn.com Mon Jan 19 12:42:26 2004 Received: from pgn.com ([198.107.240.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i0JKgPtU065311 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:42:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rick_Durst@pgn.com) Received: from WIZ-Message_Server by pgn.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:42:18 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.7.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:42:06 -0800 From: "Rick Durst" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_5F7E1E3A.94F53183" Subject: [Oeva-list] Electric Heater X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:42:26 -0000 This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_5F7E1E3A.94F53183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a 120 vdc ceramic heating element installed in my electric escort. = >From what I have read, it should increase the heat output as airflow = through it increases. At low airflow very little heat is put out. Right now I get no heat at all. I found out that if I move the damper = control to cool (I think that is reducing the airflow) it gets hot really = quickly. If I hooked the positive/negative up backwards, would that do = it?? =20 I can't check the connections without 2-3 hours of removing the whole = thing. Would it hurt it if I swapped the wires to test it?? =20 --=_5F7E1E3A.94F53183 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
I have a 120 vdc ceramic heating element = installed in my electric escort.  From what I have read, it should = increase the heat output as airflow through it increases.  At low = airflow very little heat is put out.
Right now I get no heat at all.   = I found out that if I move the damper control to cool (I think that is = reducing the airflow) it gets hot really quickly.  If I hooked the = positive/negative up backwards, would that do it??
 
I can't check the connections without 2-3 = hours of removing the whole thing.  Would it hurt it if I swapped the = wires to test it??
 
--=_5F7E1E3A.94F53183-- From pbarrett@ieee.org Mon Jan 19 14:13:45 2004 Received: from mail14b.sanjose14-verio.com (mail14b.sanjose14-verio.com [128.121.143.16]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i0JMDitU092951 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:13:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pbarrett@ieee.org) Received: from www.barrettengineering.com (128.121.136.108) by mail14b.sanjose14-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.88vs) with SMTP id 2-023915407; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:13:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005601c3ded9$2f47a5c0$5fd2fea9@pentiumpro> From: "Patrick H. Barrett" To: , "Rick Durst" References: Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Electric Heater Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:11:25 -0800 Organization: Barrett & Assoc. Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3DE96.20070EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Patrick H. Barrett" List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:13:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3DE96.20070EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick; 1. Re airflow. A heating element is just a resistor, optimized to emit heat. It = converts electrical energy to heat energy. It radiates the energy. If = the air doesn't move, the element has nowhere to radiate the energy to, = so it gets hot. Consider a piece of air adjacent a hot element. The piece of air absorbs = energy from the hot element, and gets hotter. Eventually getting as hot = as the element. But this process takes time. Now consider a piece of air on the other side of the heated piece of = air. It hasn't been receiving heat, because it was shielded (insulated) = from the hot element by the first piece of air. Now it begins to get = hot, as it absorbs heat energy from the first piece of air. This takes = time, too. This is energy transfer. Energy transfer is very greatly increased by providing a wind. The wind = moves the first piece of air away from the heater, exposing the second = piece of air to the heat. The pizza folks figured this out a decade ago, and equipped their = restaurants with "convection" ovens. This just means an oven with a fan = in it. Residential Jenn-Aire ranges work on the same principle. So do automotive radiators. So, yes you'll get heat *faster* with a fan. But no, the heating element = really doesn't get any hotter than it's designed maximum temperature. In = fact, the wind cools the element down as the element's heat energy is = transferred to the air and moved away from the element. If you provide a big enough fan, it'll keep the element real cool, which = is the principle used to keep your PC from overheating... 2. Your damper: If the element ever gets hot, then it's working. I'd say that the "wind" is cooling the element for you. Exactly what you = want it to do. But perhaps your heating element isn't providing enough = heat to warm the interior of your vehicle? In other words, it sounds = like your heater is too small. Also, I'd expect that your system would have a thermostat, to avoid = getting the element too hot. Don't want a fire.=20 =20 Q: Do you have a t'stat? Q: What wattage is your heating element? 3. Testing your heating element Heating elements are usually either fully good or completely bad (i.e., = an open circuit). 3.1 Use a voltmeter to ensure that there is 12 VDC (or whatever) applied = to the element's terminals. If not, it'll never get hot. 3.2 Use a current meter (ammeter) to see if it's drawing any current. It = should be drawing some current. I assume that you know about how much current the element should draw? 5 = Amps? 10 Amps? As a quick test, you could put a too-small fuse (perhaps 0.1 Amp) in = series with the heating element. If the fuse blows, you'll know it was = drawing *some* current. An el-cheapo solution. 4. Swapping wires Swapping the wires shouldn't hurt a heating element, unless one side of = the element is grounded. If one side is grounded, then swapping the = wires might also short circuit your vehicle's electrical system. Be = careful! Do it through a temporary fuse, so the fuse'll blow if you = create a short circuit. Rgds, Patrick H. Barrett, EE Barrett & Assoc. Engineering POB 19847, Portland, OR 97280 503-245-0325, v pbarrett@ieee.org http://www.barrettengineering.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Durst=20 To: oeva-list@oeva.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] Electric Heater I have a 120 vdc ceramic heating element installed in my electric = escort. From what I have read, it should increase the heat output as = airflow through it increases. At low airflow very little heat is put = out. Right now I get no heat at all. I found out that if I move the = damper control to cool (I think that is reducing the airflow) it gets = hot really quickly. If I hooked the positive/negative up backwards, = would that do it?? I can't check the connections without 2-3 hours of removing the whole = thing. Would it hurt it if I swapped the wires to test it?? -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3DE96.20070EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick;
 
1. Re airflow.
A heating element is just a resistor, optimized = to emit=20 heat. It converts electrical energy to heat energy. It radiates the = energy. If=20 the air doesn't move, the element has nowhere to radiate the energy to, = so it=20 gets hot.
 
Consider a piece of air adjacent a hot element. = The piece=20 of air absorbs energy from the hot element, and gets hotter. Eventually = getting=20 as hot as the element. But this process takes time.
 
Now consider a piece of air on the other side of = the=20 heated piece of air. It hasn't been receiving heat, because it was = shielded=20 (insulated) from the hot element by the first piece of air. Now it = begins to get=20 hot, as it absorbs heat energy from the first piece of air. This takes = time,=20 too.
 
This is energy transfer.
 
Energy transfer is very greatly increased by = providing a=20 wind. The wind moves the first piece of air away from the heater, = exposing the=20 second piece of air to the heat.
 
The pizza folks figured this out a decade ago, = and=20 equipped their restaurants with "convection" ovens. This just means an = oven with=20 a fan in it. Residential Jenn-Aire ranges work on the same=20 principle.
 
So do automotive radiators.
 
So, yes you'll get heat *faster* with a fan. But = no, the=20 heating element really doesn't get any hotter than it's designed maximum = temperature. In fact, the wind cools the element down as the element's = heat=20 energy is transferred to the air and moved away from the = element.
 
If you provide a big enough fan, it'll keep the = element=20 real cool, which is the principle used to keep your PC from=20 overheating...
 
2.    Your damper:
If the element ever gets hot, then it's=20 working.
I'd say that the "wind" is cooling the element = for you.=20 Exactly what you want it to do. But perhaps your heating element isn't = providing=20 enough heat to warm the interior of your vehicle? In other words, it = sounds like=20 your heater is too small.
 
Also, I'd expect that your system would have a = thermostat,=20 to avoid getting the element too hot. Don't want a fire.
 
Q: Do you have a t'stat?
 
Q: What wattage is your heating element?
 
3.    Testing your heating=20 element
Heating elements are usually either fully good = or=20 completely bad (i.e., an open circuit).
 
3.1 Use a voltmeter to ensure that there is 12 = VDC (or=20 whatever) applied to the element's terminals. If not, it'll never = get=20 hot.
 
3.2 Use a current meter (ammeter) to see if it's = drawing=20 any current. It should be drawing some current.
I assume that you know about how much current = the element=20 should draw? 5 Amps? 10 Amps?
As a quick test, you could put a too-small fuse = (perhaps=20 0.1 Amp) in series with the heating element. If the fuse blows, you'll = know it=20 was drawing *some* current.
An el-cheapo solution.
 
4.    Swapping wires
Swapping the wires shouldn't hurt a heating = element,=20 unless one side of the element is grounded. If one side is grounded, = then=20 swapping the wires might also short circuit your vehicle's electrical = system. Be=20 careful! Do it through a temporary fuse, so the fuse'll blow if you = create a=20 short circuit.
 
Rgds,
 
Patrick H. Barrett, EE
Barrett & Assoc. Engineering
POB = 19847,=20 Portland, OR  97280
503-245-0325, v
pbarrett@ieee.org
http://www.barrettengineering.= com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick = Durst=20
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 = 12:42=20 PM
Subject: [Oeva-list] Electric=20 Heater

I have a 120 vdc ceramic heating element = installed=20 in my electric escort.  From what I have read, it should increase = the=20 heat output as airflow through it increases.  At low airflow very = little=20 heat is put out.
Right now I get no heat at = all.   I=20 found out that if I move the damper control to cool (I think that is = reducing=20 the airflow) it gets hot really quickly.  If I hooked the=20 positive/negative up backwards, would that do it??
 
I can't check the connections without = 2-3 hours of=20 removing the whole thing.  Would it hurt it if I swapped the = wires to=20 test it??
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C3DE96.20070EE0-- From dbsalzman@columbia-center.org Sun Jan 25 08:30:16 2004 Received: from colcenter.org (a.colcenter.org [198.69.102.240]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0PGUFtV064471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:30:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbsalzman@columbia-center.org) Received: from columbia-center.org ([198.69.103.161]) by columbia-center.org (colcenter.org [198.69.102.9]) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.4.R) with ESMTP id 12-md50000004650.tmp for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:01:52 -0800 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:03:15 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: DAVE SALZMAN To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-MDRemoteIP: 198.69.103.161 X-Return-Path: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] DCP Raptor 600 Controller X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:30:17 -0000 I just finished my 92 Geo Meto conversion. 120V - 8" ADC- DCP controller. It fired up once but surged badly then quit. I get no output from my motor + bus. All inputs seem right. Damon @ DCP says send it or bring it to them for testing. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Dave From jrab@e-m-w.com Sun Jan 25 11:28:02 2004 Received: from e-m-w.com (dhmail01.dollarhost.com [65.61.221.201]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0PJS2tU004998 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:28:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrab@e-m-w.com) Received: from [192.168.0.169] [67.171.142.132] by e-m-w.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A3EF2720180; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:07:27 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:07:19 -0800 From: John RA Benson To: Oregon EV Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Local Optima battery supplier? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:28:03 -0000 I was wondering who might be the best person to talk to about getting Optimas locally. I just got a group size 51 (9 5/16 x 5 1/16 x 8 15/16, 26 lbs) for a new "house" battery at Car Guys, and was thinking it might be an ideal size for making a parallel pack with the nicads - if I could get them at a decent price. Thanks! JRAB From ejts@comcast.net Sun Jan 25 12:09:43 2004 Received: from staff.webbox.com (76.234.quiknet.com [207.183.234.76]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0PK9htU015000 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:09:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by staff.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A1D2F300112; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:06:42 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Local Optima battery supplier? Message-Id: <25010425.43759@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:07:06 -0800 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:09:43 -0000 A few of us went together and got a pretty good price on YTs last summer. Abacus Pickup Parts, 503-647-5785, is who we went through. It's pretty much a one-man operation, Larry. We had to meet a minimum quantity to get the really good price, but you can check to see what he is able to do. Just for info, my only association with him is from previous dealings. I bought some aftermarket body parts from him after tracking through other potential sources. When he saw the eDatsun, he mentioned that he could get Optimas. When we needed them, he provided the best price we could find. I've found Larry to be a good person to work with. Hope this helps. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >I was wondering who might be the best person to talk to about getting >Optimas locally. I just got a group size 51 (9 5/16 x 5 1/16 x 8 15/16, 26 >lbs) for a new "house" battery at Car Guys, and was thinking it might be an >ideal size for making a parallel pack with the nicads - if I could get them >at a decent price. > >Thanks! >JRAB www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-lis From stevialarson@comcast.net Sun Jan 25 17:47:09 2004 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0Q1l8tU090878 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:47:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevialarson@comcast.net) Received: from 334FKT0 (c-67-168-243-140.client.comcast.net[67.168.243.140]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004012601470201600gcuile>; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:47:02 +0000 From: "Steve and Olivia Larson" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Local Optima battery supplier? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:46:56 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c3e3ae$48471ae0$0201000a@334FKT0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <25010425.43759@webbox.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: stevialarson@comcast.net List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:47:09 -0000 If you need someone to join in with you to get volume pricing, I am in need of a new set of batteries, and prefer Yellow Tops. Please let me know! Steve -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On Behalf Of Eric Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:07 PM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Local Optima battery supplier? A few of us went together and got a pretty good price on YTs last summer. Abacus Pickup Parts, 503-647-5785, is who we went through. It's pretty much a one-man operation, Larry. We had to meet a minimum quantity to get the really good price, but you can check to see what he is able to do. Just for info, my only association with him is from previous dealings. I bought some aftermarket body parts from him after tracking through other potential sources. When he saw the eDatsun, he mentioned that he could get Optimas. When we needed them, he provided the best price we could find. I've found Larry to be a good person to work with. Hope this helps. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >I was wondering who might be the best person to talk to about getting >Optimas locally. I just got a group size 51 (9 5/16 x 5 1/16 x 8 15/16, 26 >lbs) for a new "house" battery at Car Guys, and was thinking it might be an >ideal size for making a parallel pack with the nicads - if I could get them >at a decent price. > >Thanks! >JRAB www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-lis _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From mylest@teleport.com Sat Jan 31 10:09:16 2004 Received: from capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net (capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.180]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i0VI9ArY006701 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:09:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from apx1-07-85.pdx.du.teleport.com ([216.26.5.85] helo=laptop) by capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AmzYG-0007Qq-00; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:09:04 -0800 From: "Myles Twete" To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:08:29 -0800 Message-ID: <003401c3e825$40d4d5b0$55051ad8@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <01C3E745.F0834400.ives@cruxelectronics.com> Importance: Normal Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: how do i license my ev? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: mylest@teleport.com List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:09:17 -0000 great question Ives. For my steam car, I checked "steam" or "other" or something like that. Is your EV a converted gas car or have you built a car from scratch which needs a VIN# ? My steamcar needed a VIN# and the DMV had no problem rolling one onto the frame. I'll post this question to the OEVA list for suggestions. Stay tuned for suggestions. -Myles > -----Original Message----- > From: ives [mailto:ives@cruxelectronics.com] > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:30 PM > To: 'Myles Twete' > Subject: how do i license my ev? > > > Do I need any type of inspection or do I just check off the > box marked "electric" on my standard registration application? > > Ives Meadors > From barnes.rick@comcast.net Sun Feb 1 08:33:23 2004 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i11GXNrY092305 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 08:33:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004020116281101300jucuce>; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:28:11 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] RE: how do i license my ev? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 08:27:58 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c3e8e0$5e759b70$6600a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-reply-to: <003401c3e825$40d4d5b0$55051ad8@laptop> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id i11GXNrY092305 Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:33:23 -0000 If your locale does not require DEQ inspection, I suggest leaving the "electric" checkbox alone. You will pay twice as much for registration of an electric car. -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Myles Twete Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:08 AM To: ives@cruxelectronics.com Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: how do i license my ev? great question Ives. For my steam car, I checked "steam" or "other" or something like that. Is your EV a converted gas car or have you built a car from scratch which needs a VIN# ? My steamcar needed a VIN# and the DMV had no problem rolling one onto the frame. I'll post this question to the OEVA list for suggestions. Stay tuned for suggestions. -Myles > -----Original Message----- > From: ives [mailto:ives@cruxelectronics.com] > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:30 PM > To: 'Myles Twete' > Subject: how do i license my ev? > > > Do I need any type of inspection or do I just check off the box > marked "electric" on my standard registration application? > > Ives Meadors > _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From jerry.mcintire@comcast.net Sun Feb 1 18:24:38 2004 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i122OcrY021503 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:24:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jerry.mcintire@comcast.net) Received: from [24.20.144.89] (c-24-20-144-89.client.comcast.net[24.20.144.89]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004020202192601100drip7e>; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 02:19:26 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 18:20:26 -0800 From: Jerry McIntire To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200402012000.i11K0PrY038192@agora.rdrop.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 02:24:38 -0000 And miss the opportunity to be counted as an EV on Oregon roads? The registration fee may be twice as much, but you don't pay any of the road taxes for fuel. At almost 50 cents/gallon, you're still ahead. I'd like the state and the city to know there are EV's out there (where do you think the bean-counters will go to count?) so the charging stations will remain. Jerry From JLebow@FEICO.com Mon Feb 2 08:42:35 2004 Received: from hlrelay01.feico.com ([12.46.53.147]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i12GgYrY097046 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:42:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from JLebow@FEICO.com) Received: From hlexc03.w2k.feico.com ([10.150.40.39]) by hlrelay01.feico.com (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a); id 1075739480109; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:31:20 -0800 Received: from hlexc02.w2k.feico.com ([10.150.40.57]) by hlexc03.w2k.feico.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:30:52 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] RE: how do i license my ev? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:30:52 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Oeva-list] RE: how do i license my ev? Thread-Index: AcPo4UMYhigyMKSeQciwBlrnG6jXDgAyFrVQ From: "Lebow, Joseph" To: "Rick Barnes" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2004 16:30:52.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECC76060:01C3E9A9] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id i12GgYrY097046 Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:42:36 -0000 I heard that this year the double fee for registration in Oregon has been repealed. I wrote a letter to my congressman and they said they have been getting a lot of complaints. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Barnes [mailto:barnes.rick@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 8:28 AM To: mylest@teleport.com; ives@cruxelectronics.com Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] RE: how do i license my ev? If your locale does not require DEQ inspection, I suggest leaving the "electric" checkbox alone. You will pay twice as much for registration of an electric car. -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Myles Twete Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:08 AM To: ives@cruxelectronics.com Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: how do i license my ev? great question Ives. For my steam car, I checked "steam" or "other" or something like that. Is your EV a converted gas car or have you built a car from scratch which needs a VIN# ? My steamcar needed a VIN# and the DMV had no problem rolling one onto the frame. I'll post this question to the OEVA list for suggestions. Stay tuned for suggestions. -Myles > -----Original Message----- > From: ives [mailto:ives@cruxelectronics.com] > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 3:30 PM > To: 'Myles Twete' > Subject: how do i license my ev? > > > Do I need any type of inspection or do I just check off the box > marked "electric" on my standard registration application? > > Ives Meadors > _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From ejts@comcast.net Tue Feb 3 21:55:54 2004 Received: from staff.webbox.com (76.234.quiknet.com [207.183.234.76]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i145trrY076598 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:55:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by staff.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id ADAC550058; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:24:28 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <03020434.55607@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:53:36 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Next OEVA meeting confirmed X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 05:55:54 -0000 I just received a fax showing that, once again, PGE has decided to sponsor our meeting for Feb. 12th. There never was any real doubt, but now we have it in writing (well, toner, anyway). So, all should be per normal next Thursday, Feb. 12th. The gates are to be open well before 7:00PM, so bring your EVs! The dates for meetings through July have been cleared through the WTC office, but need the okey-dokey from PGE. I'll let you all know when info comes in. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Tue Feb 3 22:22:51 2004 Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (h015.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.243]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i146MprY083021 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:22:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: (cpmta 16960 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2004 22:16:09 -0800 Received: from 65.102.5.7 (HELO ICEARROW) by smtp.copperlionslair.com (209.228.33.243) with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 22:16:09 -0800 X-Sent: 4 Feb 2004 06:16:09 GMT Message-ID: <002001c3eae6$62158120$0200a8c0@ICEARROW> From: "CopperLion" To: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:16:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3EAA3.5378A450" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [Oeva-list] February 12th X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 06:22:52 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3EAA3.5378A450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, I've been lurking on this list for about a month now, and thought I'd = introduce myself. My name is Kevin, and I'm a student at ITT Technical = Institute here in Portland, OR. At my insistence, I coerced a group from = school to join me at Viktor Tikhonov's home to check out what he does = with Metric Mind. There was enough positive response from the visit that = one of my instructors has organized a field trip for one of my classes = (about 8 people) to show up for the February 12th meeting of the OEVA.=20 I am assuming that my instructor has contacted someone about this, but = I'd like to personally thank in advance anyone who drives their electric = vehicle to the meeting and is willing to provide information and = guidance to some soon-to-graduate college students. I look forward to meeting people, and reading more from the mailing = list! -Kevin Seeber copperlion@copperlionslair.com ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3EAA3.5378A450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everyone,
I've been lurking on this list for = about a month=20 now, and thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Kevin, and I'm a = student at=20 ITT Technical Institute here in Portland, OR. At my insistence, I = coerced a=20 group from school to join me at Viktor Tikhonov's home to check out what = he does=20 with Metric Mind. There was enough positive response from the visit that = one of=20 my instructors has organized a field trip for one of my classes = (about 8=20 people) to show up for the February 12th meeting of the OEVA. =
I am assuming that my instructor has = contacted=20 someone about this, but I'd like to personally thank in advance anyone = who=20 drives their electric vehicle to the meeting and is willing to provide=20 information and guidance to some soon-to-graduate college = students.
I look forward to meeting people, and = reading more=20 from the mailing list!
-Kevin Seeber
copperlion@copperlionslair.com
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C3EAA3.5378A450-- From ejts@comcast.net Mon Feb 9 09:31:18 2004 Received: from staff.webbox.com (76.234.quiknet.com [207.183.234.76]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i19HVIND084830 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69] by staff.webbox.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A36271A8006C; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:29:06 -0800 Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A3CBF9340244; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:30:51 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org.ev@listproc.sjsu.edu From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <09020440.34245@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:31:12 -0800 Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Next OEVA meeting in Portland, OR X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:31:18 -0000 We're back on schedule! The next meeting of Oregon Electric Vehicle Association will be at Two World Trade Center at the corner of SW 1st and Salmon. The courtyard will be available to display electic and hybrid vehicles from 7:00PM on. Begin gathering at 7:00PM to display and view vehicles and for socialization. The meeting will begin at 7:30PM inside, to conclude by 9:00PM. This will be the first meeting with your new co-chairs, so please come by and give us a hand. We are expecting a visit by a class from ITT Tech., so make an effort to bring vehicles to dazzle them with. See you all there! -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From ejts@comcast.net Mon Feb 9 09:39:06 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i19Hd6ND086753 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:39:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A5B6BC580156; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 09:39:02 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org.ev@listproc.sjsu.edu From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <09020440.34738@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:39:06 -0800 Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Next OEVA meeting this Thursday, Feb. 12 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 17:39:06 -0000 Sorry, the date somehow (operator error!) didn't make in into the notice. Per normal, it will be the second Thursday, which this month is Feb. 12th. And feel free to check the OEVA web site (www.oeva.org) for directions. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Mon Feb 9 11:23:01 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i19JN1NE012781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:23:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.0.156] (unknown [63.227.218.225]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE17B08C for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 10:56:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <09020440.34738@webbox.com> References: <09020440.34738@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9ED7ADC6-5B31-11D8-9716-00039344DDD6@ordersomewherechaos.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: RossO Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 10:56:08 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Subject: [Oeva-list] Website Additions X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:23:02 -0000 > And feel free to check the OEVA web site (www.oeva.org) for directions. Feedback about the site is appreciated. This weekend I was thinking of things we could do with the site and the idea came to my head to collect a list of recommended books about cars, welding, electronics, electrical wiring, batteries, etc. and put them together in a resource list that would link through an Amazon affiliate program. Does anyone have any thoughts on this idea? Des anyone have any books that are available through Amazon that they would recommend? (URLs are appreciated!) ...Ross... PS, Eric, the mails you sent out might not have reached the EVDL list. The addressing was kind of strange when I saw it. You might double check. _______________________________________________________ - -- Ross Olson, Webmaster, oeva@badseed.org - -- Oregon Electric Vehicle Association - -- http://www.oeva.org/ From stevialarson@comcast.net Wed Feb 11 11:31:00 2004 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1BJV0ND062249 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:31:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevialarson@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.118 ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <200402111930530140032na7e>; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:30:53 +0000 Received: from [134.242.21.176] by 204.127.197.118; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:30:52 +0000 From: stevialarson@comcast.net To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:30:52 +0000 Message-Id: <021120041930.11903.7485@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 27 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: c3RldmlhbGFyc29uQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: [Oeva-list] Free '90 Subaru Justy, Silver 2-dr X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:31:01 -0000 This could be a nice glider... Needs a tranny though. http://portland.craigslist.org/zip/24144751.html From oeva@bad-seed.org Sat Feb 14 09:54:16 2004 Received: from mx.spiritone.com (mail9.spiritone.com [216.99.221.6]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1EHsFND066429 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:54:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oeva@bad-seed.org) Received: (qmail 20360 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 17:47:35 -0000 Received: (ofmipd 216.99.213.165); 14 Feb 2004 17:47:13 -0000 Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:47:38 -0800 Resent-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Resent-Message-Id: <200402140035.i1E0Zl7d062615@agora.rdrop.com> Resent-From: Ross Olson (OEVA Webmaster) Date: 13 Feb 2004 16:35:47 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Eric" To: oeva-Paul_Burke@badseed.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Paul_Burke X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:54:20 -0000 feedback: Paul , I just wanted to let you know about the 2004 National AFV Day Odyssey at PCC on Friday April 2nd. They are looking for any Alternative fuel vehicles to display. For more info contact Stan Sumich at 503-518-3083. I will be there with my S-10 and I think my GE Elec-trak. And Randy (Canadian Electric) will be there with his new Jr. Mighty truck. From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Sat Feb 14 10:10:03 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1EIA0NE069436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:10:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (216-99-213-165.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.213.165]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8367BB087 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:09:55 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: RossO Subject: Fwd: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Paul_Burke Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:09:57 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:10:04 -0000 Double sending in case the first didn't get through... ...Ross... Begin forwarded message: > Resent-From: Ross Olson (OEVA Webmaster) > From: "Eric" > Date: February 13, 2004 4:35:47 PM PST > Resent-To: oeva-list@oeva.org > To: oeva-Paul_Burke@badseed.org > Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Paul_Burke > > feedback: Paul , I just wanted to let you know about the 2004 National > AFV Day Odyssey at PCC on Friday April 2nd. They are looking for any > Alternative fuel vehicles to display. For more info contact Stan > Sumich at 503-518-3083. I will be there with my S-10 and I think my > GE Elec-trak. And Randy (Canadian Electric) will be there with his new > Jr. Mighty truck. > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > _______________________________________________________ - -- Ross Olson, Webmaster, oeva@badseed.org - -- Oregon Electric Vehicle Association - -- http://www.oeva.org/ From rmerwin@aracnet.com Fri Feb 20 15:34:26 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:FZkvh2KqSu75XH/9l2sWHnIE4cGcbhtE@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1KNYPJ4000690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1KMZGQx007626 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:35:16 -0800 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i1KMZErf007623 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:35:14 -0800 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200402202235.i1KMZErf007623@onyx.spiritone.com> To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:35:14 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] EAA meeting teleconference X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:34:27 -0000 I got a call from Jerry Asher today about the EAA meeting/teleconference tomorrow (February 21st) from 10:00 til 12:00 noon. They'll have a live webcam on the event and an "instant messanger" conference. Details are on the EAA web page at http://www.eaaev.org/. You can also call in to the meeting by dialing toll-free 1-888-583-9625 and entering code 303303. They have 'room' for about 100 callers. If you do "attend", please summarize the EAA meeting at the next OEVA meeting. Ralph From tony@notebene.net Fri Feb 20 18:33:35 2004 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1L2XZJ4038992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:33:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from notebene.net (dsl-209-162-200-230.dsl.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD658460DA for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:04:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4036BD1D.4070702@notebene.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:06:21 -0800 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] circuit for measuring battery cells... X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 02:33:35 -0000 Here's a circuit when you absolutely positively must measure each cell in a battery pack. Relays are only a buck sixty each in the 100s from Mouser, or a buck ninety for onesies. http://www.reed-electronics.com/ednmag/article/CA379886?stt=000&pubdate=2/19/2004&spacedesc=designideas -- Tony http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html "I never say anything that I haven't carefully considered before (or afterwards)" From rmerwin@aracnet.com Thu Mar 4 09:25:04 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:sQOAQH68hCs5SbGVAfsILQXBlo35xTg0@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i24HP0dY091297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:25:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i24HNTQx020863 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:23:29 -0800 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i24HNSmo020861 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:23:28 -0800 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx10.postini.com [12.158.34.150]) by obsidian.spiritone.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id i24GWpCd024719 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:32:51 -0800 Delivered-To: Received: from source ([216.136.172.145]) by exprod5mx10.postini.com ([12.158.34.245]) with SMTP; Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:28:38 MST Message-ID: <20040304162838.63783.qmail@web14203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.152.48.192] by web14203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Mar 2004 08:28:38 PST Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Eyk To: Gary Graunke , Ralph Merwin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: rmerwin@aracnet.com X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:37:39 -0800 Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Alternative Fuel Vehicle Show X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:25:04 -0000 HI all, on Friday, April 2, there is an alternative fuel vehicle show at the Automotive Tech Building of Portland Community College and is open to the Public for viewing. I just heard about it today and evidently the EV Club (ours?) is invited to participate. I don't know if anyone knows about it at OEVA or not and wanted to let you know before the day came. Dan Eyk ===== Daniel Eyk Vancouver, Wa. Electric S-10 project E-15 project __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Thu Mar 4 11:31:38 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i24JVbdY025309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:31:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.0.156] (unknown [63.227.218.225]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018D3B0A1 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:31:32 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <89237F78-6E12-11D8-865D-00039344DDD6@ordersomewherechaos.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: RossO Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:31:29 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:31:38 -0000 Begin forwarded message: > From: Alan Rockwood > Date: March 1, 2004 9:45:31 PM PST > To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@badseed.org > Subject: OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net > > feedback: I work for MC Machinery out near Gresham,we sell three > brands of electric vehicles. NEV"S, Golf,Industrial,the It car. We > would like to be involved as we are in Seattle? My phone is 503 667 > 5093. Thanks Alan > From jerry.mcintire@comcast.net Thu Mar 4 21:25:14 2004 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i255PCdX069194 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:25:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jerry.mcintire@comcast.net) Received: from [67.169.196.174] (c-67-169-196-174.client.comcast.net[67.169.196.174]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040305052501012000ipive>; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 05:25:01 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:27:39 -0800 From: Jerry McIntire To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200403042000.i24K0EdX031929@agora.rdrop.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Alt fuel at PCC X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 05:25:14 -0000 Which campus is the Auto Tech building at? Do you have a contact number for the organizers of the April 2 show? Thanks for posting this! Jerry McIntire From rmerwin@aracnet.com Sat Mar 6 13:28:52 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i26LSpdY097017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:28:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i26LQxQx026155 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:26:59 -0800 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i26LQxkw026153 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:26:59 -0800 Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx45.postini.com [12.158.34.212]) by obsidian.spiritone.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id i26582AZ019470 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2004 21:08:02 -0800 Delivered-To: Received: from source ([216.136.173.71]) by exprod5mx45.postini.com ([12.158.34.245]) with SMTP; Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:03:32 PST Message-ID: <20040306050331.11215.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.75.225.181] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:03:31 PST Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 21:03:31 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Eyk Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Re: Alt fuel at PCC (fwd) To: Ralph Merwin In-Reply-To: <200403050529.i255T9Kp012714@onyx.spiritone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: rmerwin@aracnet.com X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:39:26 -0800 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:28:52 -0000 Hi all, it will be at the PCC/Sylvania campus on S.W. 49th ave. and you can take the Capitol Hwy. exit off I-5 South bound. I don't know what the north bound exit is called or numbered. Once you get on campus, there is a new building being built and the AM building is to it's left. You have to park in the main parking lot right above it. I will try to find out what the hours are for it. My instructor told out class about it a couple of days ago and that is about all I know about it. I will try to find out more by this months meeting. Dan Eyk --- Ralph Merwin wrote: > > Dan, > > Jerry McIntire posted a > question > about the show at PCC. > > Ralph > > Forwarded message: > > From oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org Thu Mar 4 > 21:29:54 2004 > > User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 > > Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:27:39 -0800 > > From: Jerry McIntire > > To: > > Message-ID: > > > In-Reply-To: > <200403042000.i24K0EdX031929@agora.rdrop.com> > > Mime-version: 1.0 > > Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Alt fuel at PCC > > X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 > > Precedence: list > > List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association > > > List-Unsubscribe: > , > > > > > List-Archive: > > List-Post: > > List-Help: > > > List-Subscribe: > , > > > > > Sender: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org > > Errors-To: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org > > > > Which campus is the Auto Tech building at? > > > > Do you have a contact number for the organizers of > the April 2 show? > > > > Thanks for posting this! > > > > Jerry McIntire > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list@oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > ===== Daniel Eyk Vancouver, Wa. Electric S-10 project E-15 project __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Sun Mar 7 20:41:05 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i284f5dY087719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:41:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.1.16] (216-99-213-165.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.213.165]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92E9B0A2 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:40:59 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: RossO Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:40:56 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: OEVA.org: MHoustonx_aol.com X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 04:41:06 -0000 Begin forwarded message: > From: Gavin Young > Date: March 7, 2004 5:13:02 PM PST > To: oeva-MHoustonx_aol.com@badseed.org > Subject: OEVA.org: MHoustonx_aol.com > > feedback: > I thought that the newsletter would be posted on the > website as well as via the listserver, however I can't > find the newsletter on the website. What is the agenda > for next week's meeting? > From ejts@comcast.net Mon Mar 8 08:48:38 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i28GmcdX044458 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:48:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A3D2932C020E; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:48:18 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org.ev@listproc.sjsu.edu From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <08030468.31698@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:48:38 -0800 Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Next OEVA meeting in Portland, OR X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:48:39 -0000 Per our usual schedule, Oregon Electric Vehicle Association will have its monthly meeting this Thursday, March 11th, at 7:30PM. Location is the same as it has been, 2 World Trade Center at the corner of 1st Ave. and Salmon St. in SW Portland. There will be two street-side charging stations, along with 120V outlets in the display courtyard. Socialization will begin around 7:00PM. Feel free to bring your electric and hybrid vehicles to display in the courtyard. We'll catch up on everyone's early spring progress and expect a visit from a few IIT Tech students. See everyone there! -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From rmerwin@aracnet.com Mon Mar 8 09:02:23 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:mhhpm+MKhV3kxxHcWkBZ3ZtXJisxRNDF@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i28H2MdY048175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:02:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i28H0XQx023017; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:00:33 -0800 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i28H0XXI023015; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:00:33 -0800 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200403081700.i28H0XXI023015@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Next OEVA meeting in Portland, OR To: ejts@comcast.net (Eric Johnson) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:00:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <08030468.31698@webbox.com> from "Eric Johnson" at Mar 08, 2004 08:48:38 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:02:24 -0000 Eric, We should also continue the planning for EV Awareness Day. I'd like to suggest a change in the meeting format. Rather than "going around the room" as we've done for all these years, how about allotting some fixed amount of time for 'project updates'. This could be 30-45 minutes. At the start of the meeting, we can ask who has something to talk about, and then divide the time up based on how many presentations we have. If someone has a long presentation we can decide to allot the entire 'project update' time to their presentation. We could have other blocks of time for news, announcements, event planning, etc. What do you think? Ralph Eric Johnson writes: > > > Per our usual schedule, Oregon Electric Vehicle Association will > have its monthly meeting this Thursday, March 11th, at 7:30PM. > Location is the same as it has been, 2 World Trade Center at > the corner of 1st Ave. and Salmon St. in SW Portland. > > There will be two street-side charging stations, along with 120V > outlets in the display courtyard. > > Socialization will begin around 7:00PM. Feel free to bring your > electric and hybrid vehicles to display in the courtyard. We'll > catch up on everyone's early spring progress and expect a visit > from a few IIT Tech students. > > See everyone there! > > -- > Eric Johnson > Portland, OR > ejts@comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From ejts@comcast.net Mon Mar 8 09:32:44 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i28HWhdX055466 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:32:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AE38BAAC024A; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:32:40 -0800 To: rmerwin@aracnet.com From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Next OEVA meeting in Portland, OR Message-Id: <08030468.34357@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:32:43 -0800 Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:32:44 -0000 Sounds like what we'll have to do. As we get involved in more community events, especially the EV Awareness Day, we'll need to be sure we properly deal with the details. Note that we've learned of yet another since the last meeting. So, if everyone agrees, our main focus this meeting will be on all the events we have information on. We need to find out where planning for the Awareness Day is and make some decisions. We also need to discuss the upcoming PCC event, on April 2nd, as I recall. Also, Earth Day will be April 22nd, so we'll have only one more meeting to become aware of any events then. As I recall, the event in Lake Oswego was on Earth Day (weekend). Thanks, Ralph, for helping focus us! -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >Eric, > >We should also continue the planning for EV Awareness Day. > >I'd like to suggest a change in the meeting format. Rather than >"going around the room" as we've done for all these years, how >about allotting some fixed amount of time for 'project updates'. >This could be 30-45 minutes. At the start of the meeting, we can >ask who has something to talk about, and then divide the time up >based on how many presentations we have. If someone has a long >presentation we can decide to allot the entire 'project update' >time to their presentation. > >We could have other blocks of time for news, announcements, event >planning, etc. > >What do you think? > >Ralph From dbsalzman@columbia-center.org Tue Mar 9 10:14:21 2004 Received: from colcenter.org (a.colcenter.org [198.69.102.240]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i29IEKdY096791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:14:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbsalzman@columbia-center.org) Received: from columbia-center.org ([198.69.103.232]) by columbia-center.org (colcenter.org [198.69.102.9]) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.4.R) with ESMTP id 40-md50000000089.tmp for ; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:46:25 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:49:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: DAVE SALZMAN To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0C7EB3A4-71F2-11D8-B808-000A27D968E0@columbia-center.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Spam-Processed: colcenter.org, Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:46:25 -0800 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 198.69.103.232 X-Return-Path: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Tax credits X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:14:22 -0000 I have just contacted the irs about the 10% tax credit for the cost of converting an ice to an ev. Form 8834 gives the credit but Form 535, chapter 12, page 50, qualified electric vehicle states, "it has never been used as a nonelectric vehicle". To me that would disqualify all conversions. The person I contacted at the irs national help line confirmed it. Has anyone gone thru this process and if so how was it resolved? By the way there is no trouble getting the 25% state credit up to $750 from the Oregon dept. of energy. Dave From ejts@comcast.net Tue Mar 9 10:25:47 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i29IPldX000110 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:25:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AC215A5802A0; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:25:37 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Tax credits Message-Id: <09030469.37538@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:25:47 -0800 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:25:48 -0000 >From what I could find out, the federal credit/deduction (whichever it really is) does not apply to conversions. As you said, "never been used as a nonelectric." Note that Oregon allows another 25%, up to $750.00, for charging. I used this to help offset the cost of my PFC-20 charger and regulator boards. Also note that Oregon allows the credit (and it is a credit, not a deduction) once per vehicle. Even if you buy a used conversion, you can get the credit as long as noone has taken it on that particular vehicle. Even if it had previously been registered in Oregon. So, Oregon is easy, the IRS is impossible. Of course, as always, I could be wrong. But I doubt it. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >I have just contacted the irs about the 10% tax credit for the cost of >converting an ice to an ev. Form 8834 gives the credit but Form 535, >chapter 12, page 50, qualified electric vehicle states, "it has never >been used as a nonelectric vehicle". To me that would disqualify all >conversions. The person I contacted at the irs national help line >confirmed it. > >Has anyone gone thru this process and if so how was it resolved? > >By the way there is no trouble getting the 25% state credit up to $750 >from the Oregon dept. of energy. > >Dave From gladed@glamber.com Tue Mar 9 12:13:06 2004 Received: from mooshu.glamber.com (dsl-94-62.peak.org [206.163.94.62]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i29KD5dY038482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:13:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gladed@glamber.com) Received: from morpheus (univ-pl-211-150.peak.org [69.59.211.150]) by mooshu.glamber.com (8.12.8/8.12.5) with SMTP id i29KkQ28002425 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:46:28 -0800 Message-ID: <01c001c4060d$47be6ca0$1a0ba8c0@morpheus> From: "Glade Diviney" To: References: <09030469.37538@webbox.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Tax credits Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:32:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD_01C405CA.37CA8B50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 20:13:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01C405CA.37CA8B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eric, I have *not* found it to be the case that the credits can be applied to = a used vehicle. I bought my (used) Gizmo last year and the Oregon DoE = office laughed in my face when I asked for the credit, even though it = had not yet been taken for that particular vehicle. Were you able to get the credit on a used vehicle? If so I'd love to = know how. -Glade ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Eric Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:25 AM Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Tax credits >=20 > >From what I could find out, the federal credit/deduction (whichever > it really is) does not apply to conversions. As you said, "never > been used as a nonelectric." >=20 > Note that Oregon allows another 25%, up to $750.00, for charging. > I used this to help offset the cost of my PFC-20 charger and > regulator boards. >=20 > Also note that Oregon allows the credit (and it is a credit, > not a deduction) once per vehicle. Even if you buy a used conversion, > you can get the credit as long as noone has taken it on that > particular vehicle. Even if it had previously been registered > in Oregon. >=20 > So, Oregon is easy, the IRS is impossible. Of course, as always, > I could be wrong. But I doubt it. >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Eric Johnson > Portland, OR > ejts@comcast.net >=20 >=20 > >--- Original Message --- > >I have just contacted the irs about the 10% tax credit for the > cost of=20 > >converting an ice to an ev. Form 8834 gives the credit but Form > 535,=20 > >chapter 12, page 50, qualified electric vehicle states, "it > has never=20 > >been used as a nonelectric vehicle". To me that would disqualify > all=20 > >conversions. The person I contacted at the irs national help > line=20 > >confirmed it. > > > >Has anyone gone thru this process and if so how was it resolved? > > > >By the way there is no trouble getting the 25% state credit > up to $750=20 > >from the Oregon dept. of energy. > > > >Dave >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01C405CA.37CA8B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eric,
 
I have = *not* found=20 it to be the case that the credits can be applied to a used vehicle. I = bought my=20 (used) Gizmo last year and the Oregon DoE office laughed in my face when = I asked=20 for the credit, even though it had not yet been taken for that = particular=20 vehicle.
 
Were you able to get = the credit on=20 a used vehicle? If so I'd love to know how.
 
-Glade
 
----- Original = Message -----=20
From: "Eric Johnson" = <ejts@comcast.net>
To: <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March = 09, 2004 10:25=20 AM
Subject: RE: = [Oeva-list] Tax=20 credits

>
> >From what I = could find out,=20 the federal credit/deduction (whichever
> it really is) does not = apply to=20 conversions.  As you said, "never
> been used as a=20 nonelectric."
>
> Note that Oregon allows another 25%, up = to=20 $750.00, for charging.
>  I used this to help offset the cost = of my=20 PFC-20 charger and
> regulator boards.
>
> Also note = that=20 Oregon allows the credit (and it is a credit,
> not a deduction) = once per=20 vehicle.  Even if you buy a used conversion,
> you can get = the credit=20 as long as noone has taken it on that
> particular vehicle.  = Even if=20 it had previously been registered
> in Oregon.
>
> = So, Oregon=20 is easy, the IRS is impossible.  Of course, as always,
> I = could be=20 wrong.  But I doubt it.
>
>
>
> = --
> Eric=20 Johnson
> Portland, OR
> ejts@comcast.net
>
>
> >--- Original Message ---
> = >I have=20 just contacted the irs about the 10% tax credit for the
> cost of =
>=20 >converting an ice to an ev. Form 8834 gives the credit but = Form
> 535,=20
> >chapter 12, page 50, qualified electric vehicle states, = "it
>=20 has never
> >been used as a nonelectric vehicle". To me that = would=20 disqualify
> all
> >conversions. The person I contacted = at the=20 irs national help
> line
> >confirmed it.
> = >
>=20 >Has anyone gone thru this process and if so how was it = resolved?
>=20 >
> >By the way there is no trouble getting the 25% state=20 credit
> up to $750
> >from the Oregon dept. of = energy.
>=20 >
> >Dave
>
>
>
>=20 _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list = mailing=20 list
> Oeva-list@oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
> ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01C405CA.37CA8B50-- From ejts@comcast.net Tue Mar 9 13:06:02 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i29L61dX064059 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:06:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A1B8422B03F8; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:06:00 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Tax credits Message-Id: <09030469.47156@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:06:02 -0800 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:06:02 -0000 Hi Glade and all, Yes, I got proper credit a couple years ago for my eDatsun PU I bought from the original converter. I talked to: KENDALL Mark W at the OR Dept. of Energy. This address is a couple years old, so I hope it is still valid. When I first started talking to him (emaling, mostly, really), he said that the credit was available for each vehicle. Right at the start, he was sure that there had never been a credit taken for a Datsun PU. They checked their records to be sure. Once they determined that no credit had been paid, they needed photos of it to prove it was electric. The pictures at www.austinev.org/evalbum/399.html (I hope I remember it all correctly) was enough for them. I got the full $750.00 for the eDatsun itself and less for the charger and regulator boards I initially bought, for a total credit of about $1204.00, as I recall. I'm surprised to hear that anyone from Oregon said the credit didn't apply, since not once did I hear any doubt at all from all I talked to. It took me a while to get the rewiring done so I could take the pictures, so I ended up talking to a very nice woman at the DoE who had to remind me I hadn't sent in the pictures yet. While I was on the phone, she looked at the evalbum pictures and okayed the credit. Do note that you need to download the specific forms from their website, fill them out, attach documents and statements, and send them in. They then send out a postcard verifying the credit. You then list in on your OR tax form. Worked for me. Of course, I've not been audited. Note that all the above is from memory. Small details and timing may not be exact, but the overall process went very well. I do know that I had no special in with anyone. I went to the website, downloaded the form. I either called or emailed questions to them. They were very helpful from the start, as I recall. I did have to get hints as to how to fill out the forms, since the forms ask for invoices and I didn't have any. Maybe the tight budget is getting to them? I'd not give up. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >Hi Eric, > >I have *not* found it to be the case that the credits can be applied to a used vehicle. I bought my (used) Gizmo last year and the Oregon DoE office laughed in my face when I asked for the credit, even though it had not yet been taken for that particular vehicle. > >Were you able to get the credit on a used vehicle? If so I'd love to know how. > >-Glade From mylest@teleport.com Tue Mar 9 16:27:08 2004 Received: from soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net (soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.130]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i2A0R5dX020936 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:27:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.179]) by soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i29NuHZ07431 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-2ini8ao.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.33.88] helo=laptop) by atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B0r4t-0002SU-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Tue, 09 Mar 2004 15:56:15 -0800 From: "Myles Twete" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Tax credits Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:55:47 -0800 Message-ID: <002401c40632$0c78eec0$652479a5@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <09030469.47156@webbox.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: mylest@teleport.com List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:27:10 -0000 A friend of mine also took the Oregon Alt. Fuel Tax Credit for buying a USED VW Golf which he runs mostly on Biodiesel. Bottom line for taxes: you can take whatever deductions/credits you can get away with. It may be that these kind of credits are easy red flags, but maybe not. -MT > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On > Behalf Of Eric Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:06 PM > To: oeva-list@oeva.org > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Tax credits > > > > Hi Glade and all, > Yes, I got proper credit a couple years ago for my eDatsun PU > I bought from the original converter. > > I talked to: > KENDALL Mark W > at the OR Dept. of Energy. This address is a couple years old, > so I hope it is still valid. > > When I first started talking to him (emaling, mostly, really), > he said that the credit was available for each vehicle. Right > at the start, he was sure that there had never been a credit > taken for a Datsun PU. They checked their records to be sure. > Once they determined that no credit had been paid, they needed > photos of it to prove it was electric. The pictures at > www.austinev.org/evalbum/399.html > (I hope I remember it all correctly) was enough for them. > > I got the full $750.00 for the eDatsun itself and less for the > charger and regulator boards I initially bought, for a total > credit of about $1204.00, as I recall. > > I'm surprised to hear that anyone from Oregon said the credit > didn't apply, since not once did I hear any doubt at all from > all I talked to. It took me a while to get the rewiring done > so I could take the pictures, so I ended up talking to a very > nice woman at the DoE who had to remind me I hadn't sent in the > pictures yet. While I was on the phone, she looked at the evalbum > pictures and okayed the credit. > > Do note that you need to download the specific forms from their > website, fill them out, attach documents and statements, and > send them in. They then send out a postcard verifying the credit. > You then list in on your OR tax form. Worked for me. Of course, > I've not been audited. > > Note that all the above is from memory. Small details and timing > may not be exact, but the overall process went very well. I > do know that I had no special in with anyone. I went to the > website, downloaded the form. I either called or emailed questions > to them. They were very helpful from the start, as I recall. > I did have to get hints as to how to fill out the forms, since > the forms ask for invoices and I didn't have any. > > Maybe the tight budget is getting to them? I'd not give up. > > -- > Eric Johnson > Portland, OR > ejts@comcast.net > > > >--- Original Message --- > >Hi Eric, > > > >I have *not* found it to be the case that the credits can be > applied to a used vehicle. I bought my (used) Gizmo last year > and the Oregon DoE office laughed in my face when I asked for > the credit, even though it had not yet been taken for that particular > vehicle. > > > >Were you able to get the credit on a used vehicle? If so I'd > love to know how. > > > >-Glade > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From paburkey@juno.com Wed Mar 10 14:25:10 2004 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i2AMPAdX015540 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:25:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBHxn39XNKs9A9yzLWoURV98LPQnVlV18CQ==">; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:17:50 PST Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JQD4P2Y9; Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:17:50 PST To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:24:24 -0800 Message-ID: <20040310.142424.-162321.1.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_1f78.1961.41a8 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-8,13-21,27-29,31-38,39-32767 From: Paul A Burkey Subject: [Oeva-list] Upcoming Events X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:25:11 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_1f78.1961.41a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, I have conflicting commitment this month so I will not get to the meeting until around 9:00 PM. Below a start of the upcoming events for 2004. I will add to this as the year goes on and I will add some dates from last year from the past meeting notices so we can start planning ahead of time. Paul Burkey OEVA Ongoing Events January: February: March: April: Friday, 2nd: 2004 National AFV Day Odyssey at PCC/Sylvania campus on S.W. 49th ave. and you can take the Capitol Hwy. exit off I-5 South bound. I don't know what the north bound exit is called or numbered. Once you get on campus, there is a new building being built and the AM building is to it's left. You have to park in the main parking lot right above it. They are looking for any Alternative fuel vehicles to display. For more info contact Stan Sumich at 503-518-3083. Thursday, 22nd: Earth Day Lake Oswego? May: Tuesday 4th: Explorer Group, at Intel Jones Farm building #3. If same as last time? June: ?: Saint Helen’s July: Sunday 4th: Hillsboro Happy days parade? August: November: Teck fest 70th and Columbia? December: ----__JNP_000_1f78.1961.41a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I have conflicting commitment this month so I will not get to the= =20 meeting until around 9:00 PM.  Below a start of the upcoming events = for=20 2004.  I will add to this as the year goes on and I will add some = dates=20 from last year from the past meeting notices so we can start planning ahead= of=20 time.
 
 Paul Burkey

OEVA Ongoing Events

 January:

February:

March:

April:

Friday, 2nd: = 2004=20 National AFV Day Odyssey at PCC/Sylvania campus on S.W.

49th ave. and you can = take the=20 Capitol Hwy. exit off  I-5 = South=20 bound. I don't know what the north bound exit is called or numbered. Once = you=20 get on campus, there is a new building being built and the AM building is = to=20 it's left. You have to park in the main parking lot right above it. They = are=20 looking for any Alternative fuel vehicles to display.  For more info=20 contact Stan Sumich at 503-518-3083.

Thursday, 22nd= : Earth=20 Day Lake Oswego?

May:

Tuesday=20 4th: Explorer Group, at Intel Jones Farm building #3. If same as= last=20 time?

June:

?: Saint Helen’s

July:

        =    =20 Sunday 4th: Hillsboro Happy days parade?

August:

November:

        =    =20 Teck fest 70th and Columbia?

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From rmerwin@aracnet.com Fri Mar 12 15:41:24 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:Ix+cX6DYjGhtCgp5HgdO0+ZEE9EWKZWn@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i2CNfNdY089822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:41:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i2CNdIQx026144 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:39:18 -0800 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i2CNdHSq026142 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:39:17 -0800 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200403122339.i2CNdHSq026142@onyx.spiritone.com> To: oeva-list@oeva.org (oeva) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:39:17 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] DARPA Grand Challenge info X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:41:24 -0000 For those of you interested in the DARPA Grand Challenge (as discussed at the OEVA meeting last night), here's the official web page: http://www.grandchallenge.org/ Ralph From rmerwin@aracnet.com Mon Mar 15 15:10:07 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:/gLGmnltSOmv7kuZ/P40xc7CdYFW04uK@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i2FNA6dY080068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i2FN7kQx009389 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:07:46 -0800 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i2FN7jtc009387 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:07:45 -0800 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200403152307.i2FN7jtc009387@onyx.spiritone.com> To: oeva-list@oeva.org (oeva) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:07:45 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Home&Garden Idea Fair X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:10:07 -0000 I just got e-mail from Rick Cantonwine at the Clarke County PUD saying that the fair in Vancouver this year doesn't have as much display space as in past years due to some construction going on, so they've had to cut down on the number of displays. Unfortunately, the OEVA won't be able to attend this year. He also said that the electric cars are always a big hit with the fair visitors and they (the fair) would like us to attend again in 2005. Ralph From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Tue Mar 16 10:47:55 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i2GIlsdY040638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:47:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.0.156] (unknown [63.227.218.225]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6F1294D8 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:47:46 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:47:45 -0800 Message-Id: <6A0D921C-777A-11D8-97E7-00039344DDD6@xprt.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Resent-Message-Id: <200403132312.i2DNCksg086859@agora.rdrop.com> From: Gavin Young X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Resent-From: RossO Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 15:12:46 -0800 (PST) To: oeva-Brad_Hippert@badseed.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Brad_Hippert X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:47:56 -0000 feedback: Hello. I was at yesterday's meeting. I'm excited about the upcoming EV Awareness Day at Pioneer Square in August. I would to participate in promoting the event, such as by handing out flyers. Please let me know how to go about participating. From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Tue Mar 16 10:48:12 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i2GImAdY040745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:48:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.0.156] (unknown [63.227.218.225]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63D5294DA for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:48:04 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:48:04 -0800 Message-Id: <751EAA49-777A-11D8-97E7-00039344DDD6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Resent-Message-Id: <200403102016.i2AKGPHX079673@agora.rdrop.com> From: Steve Titus X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Resent-From: RossO Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:16:25 -0800 (PST) To: oeva-Brad_Hippert@badseed.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Brad_Hippert X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:48:12 -0000 feedback: Hi, I have built and I am licensing a home made electric ATV. I am having troubles finding insurance for my vehicle. Can you recommend a source for insuring my home made electric vehicle (motorcycle)? Thanks an Advance for Your Help, Steve Titus snoisus2@yahoo.com From ejts@comcast.net Wed Mar 17 10:29:01 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i2HIT0dX061657 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:29:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A8DA933600C8; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:28:42 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <17030477.37723@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:29:01 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:29:02 -0000 This is from feedback off the OEVA web site. Note that this is for the same day (Friday, April 2) as the AF day at PCC. I have registered and hope to display the eDatsun at PCC, so am not available for this. If anyone can help, please contact her directly and let us all know what's happening. Thanks! -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >From: Julianna Vanderford >To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@badseed.org >Date: 3/17/04 9:30:14 AM > feedback: > I am a student who is currently enrolled at the Clark County Skills >Center. We are hosting an Alternative Fuel Vehicle Day. I am trying to >contact someone about showing vehicles or having your association come >to out AFV Day and showcasing your cars yourself. This event will be >held on April 2, 2004 9:00AM - 8:00 PM. Please have someone who can >help contact me and let me know what is possible. Thank you. > > Sincerely, > Julianna Vanderford From mylest@teleport.com Wed Mar 17 12:39:03 2004 Received: from capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net (capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.180]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i2HKd2dX095108 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:39:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from user-2ini86o.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.32.216] helo=laptop) by capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B3hoY-0003oS-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:38:58 -0800 From: "Myles Twete" To: "'oeva'" Subject: OT: RE: [Oeva-list] DARPA Grand Challenge info Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:38:38 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01c40c5f$d5cf1000$d82079a5@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200403122339.i2CNdHSq026142@onyx.spiritone.com> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: mylest@teleport.com List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:39:03 -0000 DARPA Challenge in the California Mojave: An opportunity for the government military machine to "harvest new technologies for future wars to keep our troops safer". Translation: exploit technology to maximize no risk killing ---ideally, to develop terminator Battlebots.... Whatever...the best 2 of these BOTS only made it about 7 miles before getting stuck in fences. All the rest failed soon after leaving the start. Looks like the challenge remains---and we remain unthreatened by self-aware military "terminators" roaming Kalifornia---well, I guess there's still one loose in Sakramento. -Myles From holtt@nacse.org Wed Mar 17 13:17:51 2004 Received: from pancake.NACSE.ORG (pancake.NACSE.ORG [128.193.34.5]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i2HLHpdY005063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:17:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from holtt@nacse.org) Received: from nacse.org (wave4.wave.orst.edu [128.193.195.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by pancake.NACSE.ORG (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2HKkAXv029318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:46:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4058B918.9060500@nacse.org> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:46:16 -0800 From: Tim Holt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'oeva'" Subject: Re: OT: RE: [Oeva-list] DARPA Grand Challenge info References: <001c01c40c5f$d5cf1000$d82079a5@laptop> In-Reply-To: <001c01c40c5f$d5cf1000$d82079a5@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:17:52 -0000 It's actually a fascinating project which I'd think any kind of gadget hack/experimentor would get very interested in. The key is to separate the designated "market" for the technology. That said it's important to realize that the technology learned from this has many many applications in the real world. Autonomous motorized wheelchairs that are able to navigate to destinations around town given basic waypoints, autonomous farm vehicles able to perform very specific tasks to minimize or eliminate application of pesticides and other such substances, autononous vehicles able to perform basic search and rescue, autonomous vehicles able to do mine detection and clearing, autonomous vehicles able to perform cleanup and surveys in hazardous environments such as fires, damaged buildings, etc. Myles Twete wrote: >DARPA Challenge in the California Mojave: > >An opportunity for the government military machine to "harvest new >technologies for future wars to keep our troops safer". >Translation: exploit technology to maximize no risk killing ---ideally, to >develop terminator Battlebots.... > >Whatever...the best 2 of these BOTS only made it about 7 miles before >getting stuck in fences. All the rest failed soon after leaving the start. > >Looks like the challenge remains---and we remain unthreatened by self-aware >military "terminators" roaming Kalifornia---well, I guess there's still one >loose in Sakramento. > >-Myles > >_______________________________________________ >Oeva-list mailing list >Oeva-list@oeva.org >http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > From paburkey@juno.com Wed Mar 17 13:22:04 2004 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i2HLM3dX006143 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:22:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBJfIGDNSp0VOYbDuDi8Ht3bfbu9KipecoQ==">; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:20:58 PST Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JQXZ8YKJ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:20:58 PST To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:10:57 -0800 Message-ID: <20040317.132515.-876843.2.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5 From: Paul A Burkey Subject: [Oeva-list] 2004 National AFV Day Odyssey at PCC/Sylvania campus on April 2nd. X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:22:04 -0000 Hi All, If you are planning to attend the 2004 National AFV Day Odyssey at PCC/Sylvania campus on April 2nd registration form is required. I can send it to you if you plan to attend. My E-mail is paburkey@juno.com. Paul Burkey ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From gary.graunke@intel.com Fri Mar 19 10:28:28 2004 Received: from caduceus.jf.intel.com (fmr06.intel.com [134.134.136.7]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i2JISRdX027294 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:28:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from petasus.jf.intel.com (petasus.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.6]) by caduceus.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-outer.mc, v 1.15 2004/01/30 18:16:28 root Exp $) with ESMTP id i2JIUQt7009709 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:30:26 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by petasus.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-inner.mc, v 1.10 2004/03/01 19:21:36 root Exp $) with SMTP id i2JIPoUb012889 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:30:11 GMT Received: from orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.56]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004031910280815155 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:28:08 -0800 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:28:08 -0800 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:28:07 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Earth day Thread-Index: AcQNF+4GlRopgKznQcOMNINF4QDuvQAx3Cbw From: "Graunke, Gary" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2004 18:28:08.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED71C1E0:01C40DDF] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id i2JISRdX027294 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Earth day X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:28:28 -0000 I will be out of town on this day, but I hope we can have a few folks at this event! Eric was there last year with his Prius (we were doing Clarke PUD simultaneously, but this year the PUD is space constrained, and there we will not be doing the PUD show this year). Gary -----Original Message----- From: Walker, Vance [mailto:vwalker@ci.oswego.or.us] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:37 AM To: sofia@gobiodiesel.com Cc: Graunke, Gary Subject: Earth day The City of Lake Oswego is proud to announce the fourth annual Earth Day Celebration is scheduled for April 24th from noon to 4:00 PM. As in years past, the venue will be Millennium Plaza Park, but now we are pleased to have the newly opened Lake View Village right next door! The City would like to extend an invitation for participation as an exhibitor. As in the past, there are no fees or charges and we just need to know what your needs would be (power, etc.) We really hope you can make it, please let us know. For additional information, please contact Josh Thomas at the City Of Lake Oswego, 503-635-0257, or reply to this e-mail. Thanks for your time!! Vance Walker City of Lake Oswego From ejts@comcast.net Fri Mar 19 12:45:51 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i2JKjpdX064712 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:45:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id ABEC9C6401EE; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:45:32 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] FW: Earth day Message-Id: <19030479.45930@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:45:51 -0800 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:45:52 -0000 Okay! Saturday April 24th, noon to 4PM is on my list. Since the eDatsun hadn't yet had its battery transplant, I showed the Prius last year and talked about the PU. A number of people sounded quite interested in EVs. I will email Vance soon to let him know I'll be available. It would be nice to have a few others there, too. I think Fiamp and/or Blue Meanie would be great. Any would be nice. I'm not sure what additional space Lake View Village will provide, but the plaza was on the small side. There was room for a few more cars even there, so I'd guess that we'll not overfill. AFter only being able to talk about the eDatsun last year, I'm looking forward to this! -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >From: "Graunke, Gary" >To: >Date: 3/19/04 10:28:07 AM > I will be out of town on this day, but I hope we can have a few folks at >this event! > >Eric was there last year with his Prius (we were doing Clarke PUD >simultaneously, but this year the PUD is space constrained, and there we >will not be doing the PUD show this year). > >Gary > >-----Original Message----- >From: Walker, Vance [mailto:vwalker@ci.oswego.or.us] >Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:37 AM >To: sofia@gobiodiesel.com >Cc: Graunke, Gary >Subject: Earth day > > > > >The City of Lake Oswego is proud to announce the fourth annual Earth Day >Celebration is scheduled for April 24th from noon to 4:00 PM. As in >years past, the venue will be Millennium Plaza Park, but now we are >pleased to have the newly opened Lake View Village right next door! The >City would like to extend an invitation for participation as an >exhibitor. As in the past, there are no fees or charges and we just >need to know what your needs would be (power, etc.) >We really hope you can make it, please let us know. > >For additional information, please contact Josh Thomas at the City Of >Lake Oswego, 503-635-0257, or reply to this e-mail. >Thanks for your time!! > >Vance Walker >City of Lake Oswego From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Tue Mar 23 09:57:36 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i2NHvYiZ034690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:57:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.0.157] (unknown [63.227.218.225]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7721294BC for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:57:28 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:57:26 -0800 Message-Id: <8BA81C64-7CF3-11D8-AF52-00039344DDD6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Resent-Message-Id: <200403230317.i2N3Hm4K051901@agora.rdrop.com> From: Ryan Frisbie X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Resent-From: RossO Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:17:48 -0800 (PST) To: oeva-rosso_badseed.org@badseed.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Alternative Fuel Vehicle Day Odyssey Invitation (Modified by RossO) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:57:36 -0000 You are invited to participate in the Alternative Fuel Vehicle Day Oddyessy. It will be hosted by the Clark County Skills Center, Automotive class on April 2nd of 2004,from 9:00am-8:00pm. Our goal is to build awareness and enthusiasm for AFV's and advanced technology, clean fueled, energy efficient vehicles as well as a viable option for consumers and fleet transportation choices. For contact information E-Mail us at clarkcountyafv@yahoo.com From paburkey@juno.com Thu Apr 1 10:38:18 2004 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i31IcHaJ057199 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBE0s1kjdaPsQ34XRGSH1E3+n7AstLcYswA==">; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:37:20 PST Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JR6CT5QS; Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:37:20 PST To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:26:50 -0800 Message-ID: <20040401.103621.1116.3.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-18 From: Paul A Burkey Subject: [Oeva-list] Can anyone make it to Clark County Skill Center tomorrow? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:38:18 -0000 Hi All, Can anyone make it to Clark County Skill Center tomorrow? Erik and I have committed to go to the one at PCC. Below is the information. I was contacted by phone, but I could not reply that anyone will show up. Thanks, Paul You are invited to participate in the Alternative Fuel Vehicle Day Oddyessy. It will be hosted by the Clark County Skills Center, Automotive class on April 2nd of 2004,from 9:00am-8:00pm. Our goal is to build awareness and enthusiasm for AFV's and advanced technology, clean fueled, energy efficient vehicles as well as a viable option for consumers and fleet transportation choices. For contact information E-Mail us at clarkcountyafv@yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From barnes.rick@comcast.net Sat Apr 3 08:38:06 2004 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i33Gc6aJ073219 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040403163206016003e5mme>; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 16:32:06 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 08:32:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c41999$39e89110$6600a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C41956.2BC55110" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [Oeva-list] 48V Battery Charger on eBay X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:38:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C41956.2BC55110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A real nice charger/DC power supply is on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=3D3806871648&category=3D26224 =20 This looks like the charger I had, which burned up in my garage: http://home.comcast.net/~barnes.rick/Fire/Fire11.jpg =20 Originally used for a telephone company lead-calcium battery backup = systems. =20 Note: for stationary installation, very large. About 200 lbs and about = the size of a large window air conditioner. =20 Everything is adjustable, with 2 pre-set selectable charge voltages = ("float" or "equalize"), adjustable current limit, adjustable high voltage = shutdown, and output voltage and current meters. There is no timer, but you can = easily make one (was an optional circuit board). I seem to remember there is a = wide voltage adjustment range, like 0-70V or so. =20 This model charger is no longer being made, since 2000 (replacement = model is smaller, cheaper HRT48AC50 = ). I believe they cost about $5000 new. =20 Rick Barnes Aloha, OR =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C41956.2BC55110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
A real = nice=20 charger/DC power supply is on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am= p;item=3D3806871648&category=3D26224
 
This = looks like the=20 charger I had, which burned up in my garage: http://home= .comcast.net/~barnes.rick/Fire/Fire11.jpg
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C41956.2BC55110-- From ejts@comcast.net Mon Apr 5 17:00:49 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3600maJ070577 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A316C62700BE; Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:00:22 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <05040496.61217@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:00:49 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Monthly OEVA meeting this Thursday X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:00:49 -0000 My, how time flies! It's time for another meeting. Per normal, it will be at 2 World Trade Center at the corner of SW 1st Ave. and Salmon St. in downtown Portland on the second Thursday of the month, April 8th. The courtyard will be open by 7:00PM for socialization and to display whatever EV or hybrid vehicles you'd like to bring. Meeting will start at 7:30PM and close by 9:00PM. We'll have a brief report on the AFV Day Odyssey at PCC last Friday (and maybe Clark County). Also will be some updates on upcoming EVents in the local area. There should be a few visitors from ITT Tech, too. We'll continue trying to not take too much time rehashing old projects, but we encourage sharing updates. Looking forward to seeing as many of you as possible this Thursday! -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From stevialarson@comcast.net Mon Apr 5 17:22:36 2004 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i360MaaJ075391 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:22:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stevialarson@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200404060017230130014bjle>; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 00:17:23 +0000 Received: from [134.242.21.99] by 204.127.197.111; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:17:23 +0000 From: stevialarson@comcast.net To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:17:23 +0000 Message-Id: <040620040017.21096.4071F713000724A4000052682200737478FF91908C8D9E939E96899A8B@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: c3RldmlhbGFyc29uQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Optima Yellow Tops X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:22:36 -0000 I just found out from Battery Exchange in Hillsboro that Optima is discontinuing retail sales of the Yellow Tops. They will keep making them for warranty replacement, of course. Due to this, Battery Exchange has only 78 on stock in their national warehouse, and told me the price would be roughly $124 each, with delivery taking about 5 weeks. Or, for an additional $5 each, delivery would be about a week. Not cheap, but better than the $160 retail price. And if you have a need for a few for replacement, now is the time to buy them. > > My, how time flies! It's time for another meeting. > > Per normal, it will be at 2 World Trade Center at the corner > of SW 1st Ave. and Salmon St. in downtown Portland on the second > Thursday of the month, April 8th. > > The courtyard will be open by 7:00PM for socialization and to > display whatever EV or hybrid vehicles you'd like to bring. > Meeting will start at 7:30PM and close by 9:00PM. > > We'll have a brief report on the AFV Day Odyssey at PCC last > Friday (and maybe Clark County). Also will be some updates on > upcoming EVents in the local area. There should be a few visitors > from ITT Tech, too. > > We'll continue trying to not take too much time rehashing old > projects, but we encourage sharing updates. > > Looking forward to seeing as many of you as possible this Thursday! > > -- > Eric Johnson > Portland, OR > ejts@comcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Tue Apr 6 12:59:55 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i36JxsaK047508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:59:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.0.158] (unknown [63.227.218.225]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FB4294CE for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: RossO Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:59:46 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Subject: [Oeva-list] Be on the Radio... X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:59:55 -0000 Begin forwarded message: > From: joy ramos > Date: April 6, 2004 10:50:24 AM PDT > To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@badseed.org > Subject: OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net > > feedback: > To whom it may concern: > I was at a club meeting about two years ago and was impressed with > the discussions and enthusiasm by electric car afficionados. > > The reason I'm writing is to request a representative who would like > to talk on my radio program called "Beyond 50" to celebrate Earth Day. > The show promotes the active elder lifestyle of those 50 and older and > solution-oriented, holistic thinking. We would air this special > program on Saturday, April 17, from 5 - 6 p.m. > > Please give me a call back right away if there are any takers. The > talk would be for 10 minutes about the club and about encouraging > others to go green as they travel. > > My number is 503-653-0039 and my email is Beyond50@Livingafter. > > Sincerely, > Joy Ramos > (Producer) > From ejts@comcast.net Tue Apr 6 14:18:59 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i36LIuaJ067753 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AEBF34B200FC; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:18:55 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Be on the Radio... Message-Id: <06040497.51535@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:18:59 -0700 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:18:59 -0000 I emailed Joy to ask for a few details, like when (if the show's not live) and where the show/taping will be done. I'm rather swamped, but if noone else can do it, I may well be able to. We'll talk about it at the meeting and try to load whomever can do it up with information. Maybe two or three people could provide a panel discussion, if that's okay with her? Y'all think about it. We'll see what we come up with at the meeting. (If I hear any details, I'll pass them along.) -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >>Begin forwarded message: > >> From: joy ramos >> Date: April 6, 2004 10:50:24 AM PDT >> To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@badseed.org >> Subject: OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net >> >> feedback: >> To whom it may concern: >> I was at a club meeting about two years ago and was impressed with >> the discussions and enthusiasm by electric car afficionados. >> >> The reason I'm writing is to request a representative who would like >> to talk on my radio program called "Beyond 50" to celebrate Earth Day. >> The show promotes the active elder lifestyle of those 50 and older and >> solution-oriented, holistic thinking. We would air this special >> program on Saturday, April 17, from 5 - 6 p.m. >> >> Please give me a call back right away if there are any takers. The >> talk would be for 10 minutes about the club and about encouraging >> others to go green as they travel. >> >> My number is 503-653-0039 and my email is Beyond50@Livingafter. >> >> Sincerely, >> Joy Ramos >> (Producer) From ejts@comcast.net Tue Apr 6 16:09:40 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i36N9eaJ093880 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:09:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A8B32D8E0070; Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:09:39 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <06040497.58178@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:09:40 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Some info about our radio opportunity X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 23:09:41 -0000 Here's what I've received so far: >Dear Eric: >Thanks for the reply. It would be a 10-minute, live >interview to help celebrate Earth Day. There'll be another >opportunity for you club to do a panel. > >Anyone prospective speakers can email me at >Beyond50@Livingafter50.com or give me a call at 503-653->0039. > >Take care, >Joy Ramos (Notice the complete email address, as opposed to the one in the original post.) And check out: http://livingafter50.com/features/2004/Beyond50.html This describes the radio show we've been invited to speak on. I think it's a relatively good venue, but all should know it's on KPDQ radio (AM 800), a conservative christian station. It is located at 5110 SE. Stark, but is noted to be planning to move to Milwaukie in the spring. So I'm not yet quite sure of the location, for what it's worth. Again, I have no problem with this and think it would be good for us. However, the better informed, the better the decisions. Anyone that wants to be on the radio, feel free to contact Joy. I would ask that if you do, you attend the meeting Thursday so we all can be sure you have a framework to represent us with. We'll definitely discuss it then. Thanks all, for all your efforts! -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From ejts@comcast.net Wed Apr 7 14:56:37 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i37LuWaJ089283 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:56:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A90C2C250128; Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:56:28 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <07040498.53784@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:56:37 -0700 Cc: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu Subject: [Oeva-list] No vehicle display at tomorrow's OEVA meeting in Portland, OR X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:56:37 -0000 Hello all, I just got a call from our contact at the Portland World Trade Center. They just let her know today that they will be working on the bricks in the courtyard so it won't be available for vehicle parking/display. She wasn't any happier about the short notice than I was. So, the meeting will still be from 7:30 to about 9:00PM, Thursday, April 8th at 2 World Trade Center at the corner of SW 1st and Salmon in beautiful downtown Portland. We will have to use on-street parking, including the two charger spots. The meeting room will be available. We should be able to gather in there starting about 7:00PM. So, we can still socialize and the meeting itself won't be affected. This is a one-time deal. Too bad we're the ones affected, but we can deal with it. See you (but not your vehicles) there! -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From paburkey@juno.com Fri Apr 9 10:14:59 2004 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i39HEwaJ053539 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2004 10:14:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBPZpYs0A1ITA5JJoWjQtPVWu7drOy0U6qA==">; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:14:01 PDT Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JSSS9BTV; Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:14:01 PDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 10:12:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20040409.101240.3516.3.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_11a1.504b.52e8 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-8,10-13,15,17,20-30,31-32767 From: Paul A Burkey Subject: [Oeva-list] I have the OEVA sign and next event? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:14:59 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_11a1.504b.52e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have the OEVA sign. I did not want to loose it. Also I was glad the I did not take my sparrow, because I could not have taken the sign. Now the next event? This year the celebration's theme is "Plant Yourself & Grow Together", at the site of a future community garden! The Earthday Celebration will be held on Saturday, April 17, at Kellogg Middle School, 3330 SE 69th on Powell Blvd. There are all kinds of ways to be a part of this fabulous celebration: distributing fliers, helping out with kid's activities, site set up, working on service projects, and much much more! Contact Vicki Bishop at victoria_bishop@mail.com to get involved! and then Saturday, 24th: Earth Day Lake Oswego The City of Lake Oswego is proud to announce the fourth annual Earth Day Celebration is scheduled for April 24th from noon to 4:00 PM. As in years past, the venue will be Millennium Plaza Park, but now we are pleased to have the newly opened Lake View Village right next door! The City would like to extend an invitation for participation as an exhibitor. As in the past, there are no fees or charges and we just need to know what your needs would be (power, etc.) ----__JNP_000_11a1.504b.52e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From ejts@comcast.net Sat Apr 10 12:33:23 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3AJXMaJ014300 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id ABEA291F00A0; Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:32:58 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <100404101.45178@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:33:23 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: EVents that OEVA members should be aware of X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:33:24 -0000 The following was sent to me a few days ago by Roy LeMeur. I goofed up and missed the fact that Discovery Park's Alternatively-Fueled Vehicle Fair was today, 4/10/04, so I'm too late with that notice (content deleted). However, the Lacey event, which Gary plans to attend with his electric Insight, is far enough in the future for some to plan for. Here's Roy's info: -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >City of Lacey Alternative Fuel Fair and Electrathon >Grand Prix 9 am - 4 pm, Saturday, May 8th 2004 > >Info- > >City of Lacey, WA. Alternative Fuel Fair and Electrathon Grand Prix 5/8/04 > >Warning! Shameless Promo- > >Come one, come all, from wherever you are to the annual Lacey Alternative >Fuel Fair in Lacey, WA. > >(Please contact me for more info, I am on the planning committee. >roylemeur@yahoo.com) > >A wide variety of electric, hybrid, LNG, and bio-diesel vehicles will be on >display. > >Segway Human Transporters will be available for test rides. > >A selection of food, drink, and merchandise vendors will be available. > >The course for the electrathon race is new this year and there will be lots >of high school teams and other competitors. > >I attend this event every year and always have a great time. > >Info from the City of Lacey website- > >Alternative Fuel Fair & Electric Car Races >Saturday, May 8 10am >Huntamer Park in Woodland Square >For Information: Lacey Parks and Recreation, (360) 491-0857 > >It's an all-electric car rally! High school teams and hobbyists race their >custom made electric cars in an effort to drive the most times around the >course in one hour. The Alternative Fuel Fair also features a variety of >displays and vehicles. Electric bikes, Segways, scooters, motorcycles, >hybrid cars, and cars powered by natural gas, electricity, and bio-diesel >will be displayed. Take a look at the future now! > >For more info go here and click Alternative Fuel Fair- >http://www.ci.lacey.wa.us/events/events_main_page.html > >Driving directions- >http://www.ci.lacey.wa.us/events/fuel_fair/directions_map.pdf > >---------------------------------- > >Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA > >My Electric Vehicle Pages: >http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html > >Informative Electric Vehicle Links: >http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html From ejts@comcast.net Sun Apr 11 11:22:21 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3BIMKaJ089398 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:22:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id ACD652530082; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:22:14 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <110404102.40934@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:22:20 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Anything for the radio show this weekend? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:22:21 -0000 I've committed to doing the radio show this Saturday (5:00-6:00PM on AM 800, KPDQ, as I recall). If anyone has anything that they feel is important to get out to the general population, let me know. They want an overview of EVs in light of the current increase in gas prices. Asked for comments on what was available. That opens one of our hot topics. I will be stressing OEVA and how one might get started. I want to put FCVs and even hybrids into perspective, too. It'll only be 10 minutes, so I have enough to keep the signal modulated. But if there's something that you feel that I can't afford to overlook, let me know. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Mon Apr 12 10:39:28 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3CHdRaK012780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:39:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.0.158] (unknown [63.227.218.225]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1B6294C8 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:39:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <110404102.40934@webbox.com> References: <110404102.40934@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5577DC4A-8CA8-11D8-82CF-00039344DDD6@ordersomewherechaos.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: RossO Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Anything for the radio show this weekend? Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:39:22 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:39:28 -0000 How did it go? ...Ross... On Apr 11, 2004, at 11:22 AM, Eric Johnson wrote: > > I've committed to doing the radio show this Saturday (5:00-6:00PM > on AM 800, KPDQ, as I recall). If anyone has anything that they > feel is important to get out to the general population, let me > know. > > They want an overview of EVs in light of the current increase > in gas prices. Asked for comments on what was available. That > opens one of our hot topics. > > I will be stressing OEVA and how one might get started. I want > to put FCVs and even hybrids into perspective, too. > > It'll only be 10 minutes, so I have enough to keep the signal > modulated. But if there's something that you feel that I can't > afford to overlook, let me know. > > -- > Eric Johnson > Portland, OR > ejts@comcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From ejts@comcast.net Mon Apr 12 11:17:51 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3CIHoaJ022867 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AD4D86A0054; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:17:49 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: RE: Re: [Oeva-list] Anything for the radio show this weekend? Message-Id: <120404103.40670@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:17:50 -0700 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:17:51 -0000 OOPS! I assumend that since I sent the message out Sunday the 11th everyone would know that "this Saturday" would be the 17th, which it will be. So, it hasn't gone yet. I'm still open for ideas. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >How did it go? > >....Ross... > >On Apr 11, 2004, at 11:22 AM, Eric Johnson wrote: > >> >> I've committed to doing the radio show this Saturday >snip< From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Tue Apr 13 12:20:14 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3DJK9aK068339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:20:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.11.3.137] (c-24-21-83-246.client.comcast.net [24.21.83.246]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA29F2942D for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:20:05 -0700 Message-Id: <91B483C0-8D7F-11D8-A4F9-00039344DDD6@ospirgstudents.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Resent-Message-Id: <200404131843.i3DIhMu6058898@agora.rdrop.com> From: Laura Deehan X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Resent-From: RossO Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:43:22 -0700 (PDT) To: oeva-Paul_Burke@badseed.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Paul_Burke X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:20:14 -0000 feedback: We are holding an earth day festival at the PSU campus on April 22nd in the Park Blocks. I was wondering if you know anyone who could bring an electric car to our event for display. We have tables reserved, and will have bands and speakers. The event goes from 10am to 5pm. Let me know! From roylemeur@hotmail.com Wed Apr 14 22:36:53 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (law10-f112.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.112]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3F5araJ055842 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roylemeur@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:09:10 -0700 Received: from 66.109.195.35 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:09:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.109.195.35] X-Originating-Email: [roylemeur@hotmail.com] X-Sender: roylemeur@hotmail.com From: "Roy LeMeur" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:09:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2004 05:09:10.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[C97CF930:01C422A7] Subject: [Oeva-list] More EVers needed for Lacey Alternative Fuel Fair X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:36:54 -0000 Below is the info for not only the Lacey EVent but also for the EVent Roderick Wilde is involved with in Port Townsend WA. this coming weekend. But I really want to speak as to why it is important to support these types of EVents. I attended the Seattle Alternatively Fueled Vehicle Fair (I wonder where they got that name :^D) last weekend at Discovery Park. There were only about a dozen vehicles being exhibited and I was skeptical as to how many folks might attend. Well… we were swamped with folks who were very hungry for the info, I talked pretty much continuously to all types of folks that were eager to learn as did the other exhibitors. All three local TV networks were there and shot a lot of footage, there was substantial print and radio media too. All this for maybe 12 vehicles. Point being- EVs (and other alternatives to gasoline) appear to be hotter right now than they have been since the “fuel crisis” of the 70s, Joe Sixpak is hungry for the info. As fuel prices continue to rise there will be more and more interest. I believe we need to strike while the iron is hot and do whatever we can to help promote the adoption of this technology. If any OEVA folks can manage to drag themselves and/or their EVs out to any or all of the upcoming EVents, PLEASE DO! EVent info below. City of Lacey, WA. Alternative Fuel Fair and Electrathon Grand Prix 5/8/04 Warning! Shameless Promo- Come one, come all, from wherever you are to the annual Lacey Alternative Fuel Fair in Lacey, WA. (Please contact me for more info, I am on the planning committee roylemeur@yahoo.com) A wide variety of electric, hybrid, LNG, and bio-diesel vehicles will be on display. Segway Human Transporters will be available for test rides. A selection of food, drink, and merchandise vendors will be available. The course for the electrathon race is new this year and there will be lots of high school teams and other competitors. I attend this event every year and always have a great time. Info from the City of Lacey website- Alternative Fuel Fair & Electric Car Races Saturday, May 8 10am Huntamer Park in Woodland Square For Information: Lacey Parks and Recreation, (360) 491-0857 It’s an all-electric car rally! High school teams and hobbyists race their custom made electric cars in an effort to drive the most times around the course in one hour. The Alternative Fuel Fair also features a variety of displays and vehicles. Electric bikes, Segways, scooters, motorcycles, hybrid cars, and cars powered by natural gas, electricity, and bio-diesel will be displayed. Take a look at the future now! For more info go here and click Alternative Fuel Fair- http://www.ci.lacey.wa.us/events/events_main_page.html Driving directions- http://www.ci.lacey.wa.us/events/fuel_fair/directions_map.pdf Cya There! From: "Roderick Wilde" Date: Fri Apr 9, 2004 4:08 pm Subject: Re: New! EVent in Port Townsend WA 4/17 and 4/19 Yes it's true. It's our first Earthday event here in Port Townsend, WA. On the 18th we will be taking about a dozen electric vehicles ranging from electric garden tractors and rototillers (gardening shouldn't be obNOXIOUS), personal mobility scooter, electric bicycle & scooter, land speed record Bonneville Salt Flats barstool, FT's drag bikes and other strange FT vehicles, our yellow street rod, our high speed golf cart, etc. It should be mass fun! Roderick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy LeMeur" To: Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: New! EVent in Port Townsend WA 4/17 and 4/19 > >Well... I bet Roderick is planning on posting this, but... (you always seem >to wait till the last minute Rod, didja double-check your SOC? Seriously, >we appreciate all that you do Rod! :^D) here ya go... > >Sat/Sun, April 17-18, join the fun of Earth Day Every Day!, a 'first annual' >local celebration devoted to the joy of learning about living sustainably >together on the planet. > >Check out- www.olympus.net/earthday then put it on your calendars. Plan to >spend the weekend building stronger renewabable communities, Saturday >morning with Main Street's down/uptown clean-up, speakers/events at Pope >Marine Park Building , and ALL DAY Sunday with hands-on >projects/games/demos/food and entertainment at Memorial Field. Electric >vehicles, biodiesel fuel, green building practices, sustainable agriculture, >kids activities, much more, all fun. Ample opportunity to volunteer if you >want to get involved, or have a booth. > >See what's what on the Events page at www.olympus.net/earthday More info, >Judy at 385-5766 or email lightenup@c... > >Roderick's Discovery Channel show will air on 5/2/04 at 8:00pm. "Suck Amps >EV Racing" will showcase the "Gone Postal" drag racer EV. Don't Miss it! > >Gone Postal and Roderick will also be at the Lacey Alternative Fuel Fair and >Electrathon Grand Prix in Lacey, WA. on 5/8/04 > >Be There! > >Contact Roderick at- roderick@e... >http://www.evparts.com > > >-end shameless promo- :^D > > > > > >Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA > >My Electric Vehicle Pages: >http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html > >Informative Electric Vehicle Links: >http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA My Electric Vehicle Pages: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html Informative Electric Vehicle Links: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html _________________________________________________________________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp From paburkey@juno.com Fri Apr 16 09:59:13 2004 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i3GGxCaJ059219 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBCTErBfu0AYnBcQiTJ0ncwOCvb3ngBxX1A==">; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:58:15 PDT Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JTCS5G2V; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:58:15 PDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:56:19 -0700 Message-ID: <20040416.095651.3084.6.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5 From: Paul A Burkey Subject: [Oeva-list] PSU event on April 22nd. X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:59:13 -0000 Hi, Can anyone make the PSU event? I can, but have a meeting from ~12:30 to ~3:00 and will be gone during that time. Thanks, Paul ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From barnes.rick@comcast.net Sat Apr 17 06:29:45 2004 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3HDTiaJ033837 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 06:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040417132933016003grqme>; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:29:34 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: "'Paul A Burkey'" , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] PSU event on April 22nd. Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 06:29:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c42480$0b3e90c0$6600a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040416.095651.3084.6.paburkey@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:29:45 -0000 I will try to make it. Rick Barnes Aloha, OR 1986 Chevy Sprint (Cloud conversion) -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Paul A Burkey Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:56 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] PSU event on April 22nd. Hi, Can anyone make the PSU event? I can, but have a meeting from ~12:30 to ~3:00 and will be gone during that time. Thanks, Paul ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Tue Apr 20 13:28:14 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3KKS9aK066399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.0.158] (unknown [63.227.218.225]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519672942D; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Resent-Cc: Eric Johnson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:27:57 -0700 Message-Id: <36050C34-9309-11D8-B26E-00039344DDD6@hevanet.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: oeva-list@oeva.org From: James Nolte Resent-Message-Id: <200404201916.i3KJGF2O047663@agora.rdrop.com> X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Resent-From: RossO Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:16:15 -0700 (PDT) To: oeva-Mark_Mongillo@badseed.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Mark_Mongillo X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:28:14 -0000 feedback: I have been driving an electric car for 3+ years. It now has over 13,000 miles on it. The battery pack needs replacing. Where can I find a supplier? I need 20 Trojan 145's. Thanks Jim Nolte 12850 SW Glen Oak Place Beaverton, OR 97007 503 628 2648 From dbsalzman@columbia-center.org Tue Apr 20 17:02:56 2004 Received: from colcenter.org (a.colcenter.org [198.69.102.240]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3L02taK022891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbsalzman@columbia-center.org) Received: from columbia-center.org ([198.69.103.214]) by columbia-center.org (colcenter.org [198.69.102.9]) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.4.R) with ESMTP id 12-md50000000249.tmp for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:35:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:39:16 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: DAVE SALZMAN To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200404161900.i3GJ0oaJ094677@agora.rdrop.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Spam-Processed: colcenter.org, Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:35:31 -0700 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 198.69.103.214 X-Return-Path: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-PSU event X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:02:56 -0000 Paul, I may be able to bring my Geo. Please fill me in again on start time and location. Also regarding the St. Helens River City parade will be on June 19th, I don't have a time as yet. As of right now there will not be a static display afterward due to a lack of volunteers willing to step forward and take charge. Dave On Friday, April 16, 2004, at 12:00 PM, oeva-list-request@oeva.org wrote: > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > oeva-list@oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oeva-list-request@oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oeva-list-owner@oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. PSU event on April 22nd. (Paul A Burkey) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:56:19 -0700 > From: Paul A Burkey > Subject: [Oeva-list] PSU event on April 22nd. > To: oeva-list@oeva.org > Message-ID: <20040416.095651.3084.6.paburkey@juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi, > > Can anyone make the PSU event? I can, but have a meeting from ~12:30 > to > ~3:00 and will be gone during that time. > > Thanks, > Paul > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 7, Issue 11 > **************************************** > From dan.cobb@intel.com Wed Apr 21 14:08:12 2004 Received: from hermes.jf.intel.com (fmr05.intel.com [134.134.136.6]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3LL8CaJ039414 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan.cobb@intel.com) Received: from talaria.jf.intel.com (talaria.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.7]) by hermes.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-outer.mc, v 1.15 2004/01/30 18:16:28 root Exp $) with ESMTP id i3LI8SRs001728 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:08:28 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.54]) by talaria.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-inner.mc, v 1.10 2004/03/01 19:21:36 root Exp $) with SMTP id i3LI4g2q025903 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:06:28 GMT Received: from orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.56]) by orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004042111072903407 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:07:29 -0700 Received: from orsmsx401.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.207]) by orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:07:29 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:07:29 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looking for data on Zinc-air batteries Thread-Index: AcQfMwKQIHHNVdH7TN6DH34Vc7xc1QImCdlw From: "Cobb, Dan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2004 18:07:29.0887 (UTC) FILETIME=[82C2DEF0:01C427CB] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id i3LL8CaJ039414 Subject: [Oeva-list] Looking for data on Zinc-air batteries X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:08:13 -0000 Greetings. The web is not providing much data on Zinc-air batteries. Can anyone point me to good data on the usefulness of these batteries for EVs? Thanks Dan Cobb From cbrune_ev@comcast.net Thu Apr 22 21:12:44 2004 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3N4CiaJ067525 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cbrune_ev@comcast.net) Received: from Cbrune (c-24-21-179-180.client.comcast.net[24.21.179.180]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004042304064101100pgvp3e>; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 04:06:41 +0000 Message-ID: <028f01c428e8$622aeac0$800101df@corp.surepower.com> From: "Chris Brune" To: "James Nolte" References: <36050C34-9309-11D8-B26E-00039344DDD6@hevanet.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Mark_Mongillo Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:06:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 04:12:45 -0000 I didn't see any replies to this, but there are a number of places that sell Trojan batteries. The one I have used in Tigard, Empire Battery. I just looked in the phone book and called around a few places. But Empire has quite a large stock of Trojan batteries (at least they did a couple of years ago). Hope this helps. Regards, Chris Brune ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Nolte" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Mark_Mongillo > feedback: > I have been driving an electric car for 3+ years. It now has over > 13,000 miles on it. The battery pack needs replacing. Where can I find > a supplier? I need 20 Trojan 145's. Thanks > Jim Nolte > 12850 SW Glen Oak Place > Beaverton, OR 97007 > 503 628 2648 > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From rmerwin@aracnet.com Thu Apr 22 21:56:34 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:KAbwdu26x+6nJZ4ZZsGEmoOSlSUOg3cs@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3N4uVaK076358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3N4ekG3006867; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:40:46 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3N4ekIV006865; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:40:46 -0700 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200404230440.i3N4ekIV006865@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Mark_Mongillo To: cbrune_ev@comcast.net (Chris Brune) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:40:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <028f01c428e8$622aeac0$800101df@corp.surepower.com> from "Chris Brune" at Apr 22, 2004 09:06:36 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: James Nolte , oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 04:56:35 -0000 Also check with Northwest Battery in Portland, on SE Belmont. Ralph Chris Brune writes: > > I didn't see any replies to this, but there are a number of places that sell > Trojan batteries. The one I have used in Tigard, Empire Battery. I just > looked in the phone book and called around a few places. But Empire has > quite a large stock of Trojan batteries (at least they did a couple of years > ago). > > Hope this helps. > Regards, > Chris Brune > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Nolte" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:16 PM > Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Mark_Mongillo > > > > feedback: > > I have been driving an electric car for 3+ years. It now has over > > 13,000 miles on it. The battery pack needs replacing. Where can I find > > a supplier? I need 20 Trojan 145's. Thanks > > Jim Nolte > > 12850 SW Glen Oak Place > > Beaverton, OR 97007 > > 503 628 2648 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list@oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From tony@notebene.net Thu Apr 22 23:23:10 2004 Received: from mxqueue.easystreet.com (mxqueue.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.9]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3N6NAaK093567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (bond0.cpq075.bea1.easy.easystreet.com [10.32.10.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mxqueue.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC703B9E2 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from notebene.net (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2986DC05B; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4088B222.5090101@notebene.net> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:05:22 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Brune Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Mark_Mongillo References: <36050C34-9309-11D8-B26E-00039344DDD6@hevanet.com> <028f01c428e8$622aeac0$800101df@corp.surepower.com> In-Reply-To: <028f01c428e8$622aeac0$800101df@corp.surepower.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:23:11 -0000 I had reply'd off list with Empire as my choice... --Tony Chris Brune wrote: > I didn't see any replies to this, but there are a number of places that sell > Trojan batteries. The one I have used in Tigard, Empire Battery. I just > looked in the phone book and called around a few places. But Empire has > quite a large stock of Trojan batteries (at least they did a couple of years > ago). > > Hope this helps. > Regards, > Chris Brune > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Nolte" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:16 PM > Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Mark_Mongillo > > > >>feedback: >> I have been driving an electric car for 3+ years. It now has over >>13,000 miles on it. The battery pack needs replacing. Where can I find >>a supplier? I need 20 Trojan 145's. Thanks >> Jim Nolte >> 12850 SW Glen Oak Place >> Beaverton, OR 97007 >> 503 628 2648 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Oeva-list mailing list >>Oeva-list@oeva.org >>http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > From paburkey@juno.com Fri Apr 23 12:24:20 2004 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i3NJOJaJ071336 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:24:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBDMMiwMcaC7bslVdqksnZbsdr/7l/jEq/g==">; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:23:43 PDT Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JTW38VPF; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:23:43 PDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:39:08 -0700 Message-ID: <20040423.122224.2420.8.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_736b.2575.5e2e X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-8,11-12,13-32767 From: Paul A Burkey Subject: [Oeva-list] City of Lake Oswego Earth Day Celebration event reminder tomorrow. X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:24:20 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_736b.2575.5e2e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, The City of Lake Oswego is proud to announce the fourth annual Earth Day Celebration is tomorrow from noon to 4:00 PM. At at Millennium Plaza Park in down town Lake Oswego. Paul ----__JNP_000_736b.2575.5e2e Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Fri Apr 23 12:43:53 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3NJhraK076230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:43:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.1.5] (216-99-213-165.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.213.165]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79063294D4 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:43:39 -0700 Message-Id: <8501F3D2-955E-11D8-B26E-00039344DDD6@pdx.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Resent-Message-Id: <200404230136.i3N1aSKV033739@agora.rdrop.com> From: IKE X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Resent-From: RossO Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 18:36:28 -0700 (PDT) To: oeva-Gary.Graunkeyi_ntel.com@badseed.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Gary.Graunkeyi_ntel.com (Modified by RossO) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:43:54 -0000 feedback: Hey Gary, I spoke with you earlier today about electric vehicles at the Earth Day festival. I would like to have some members from your club on my weekly radio program. I have the last couple weeks in May open. I could put you guys on either the 20th or 27th. The show airs live Thursdays at 7PM. Tune in to 1450AM KPSU. Maybe we could coordinate the show with a club event. And if May doesn't work, June is wide open. Peace out, IKE 503.708.7422 From ejts@comcast.net Fri Apr 23 13:32:28 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3NKWSaJ089223 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AD49BBF900C0; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:32:09 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: Gary.Graunkeyi_ntel.com (Modified by RossO) Message-Id: <230404114.48730@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:32:28 -0700 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:32:29 -0000 After my recent radio appearance, I think it would be good for more exposure. I'm not sure the best thing would be to tie it into a meeting, however. First, the air time is on the early side for our normal meeting. Second, it would be hard to get any real business done. But it might make good radio to have a couple dozen enthusiasts on together. If anyone(s) would like to take this on, please do. I could most likely make time for it if we can't get enough others to handle it. One minor observation from my limited radio experience. I had the option of just calling in via phone. I opted to go to the studio (KPDQ this last Saturday evening). I think it was easier talking to the hosts face-to-face and that it sounds better to listeners, both in audio quality and in the fact that one would put out the effort to go in. Just an observation, for what it's worth. So, will anyone step up here? -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >From: IKE >To: oeva-Gary.Graunkeyi_ntel.com@badseed.org >Date: 4/22/04 5:36:28 PM > feedback: > Hey Gary, > I spoke with you earlier today about electric vehicles at the Earth >Day festival. I would like to have some members from your club on my >weekly radio program. I have the last couple weeks in May open. I could >put you guys on either the 20th or 27th. The show airs live Thursdays >at 7PM. Tune in to 1450AM KPSU. Maybe we could coordinate the show with >a club event. And if May doesn't work, June is wide open. > > Peace out, > IKE > > 503.708.7422 From kg@ordersomewherechaos.com Tue Apr 27 13:30:36 2004 Received: from smtpauth.easystreet.com (smtpauth.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3RKUZaK095010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:30:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kg@ordersomewherechaos.com) Received: from [10.0.0.158] (unknown [63.227.218.225]) by smtpauth.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28182294D4 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:30:20 -0700 Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Resent-Message-Id: <200404250906.i3P96wVi025941@agora.rdrop.com> From: Jason Vurik X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Resent-From: RossO Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 02:06:58 -0700 (PDT) To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@badseed.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:30:36 -0000 feedback: For starters.. i'm cluesless on what one needs for converting a car over to electric... Basically i'm starting from scratch and dont know alot about this process.. Alos interested in the proformance aspect of electric vehicles.. From jerry.mcintire@comcast.net Wed Apr 28 21:44:46 2004 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3T4ijaJ090618 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:44:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerry.mcintire@comcast.net) Received: from [24.20.142.240] (c-24-20-142-240.client.comcast.net[24.20.142.240]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004042904393301200neagve>; Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:39:33 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:39:44 -0700 From: Jerry McIntire To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Portland EV technicians? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:44:46 -0000 I live in SW Portland and am looking at getting back into an electric car. It's been almost ten years, and I was on the East coast part of that time. Can you tell me what options there are for getting the EV part of an EV repaired, if the need arises? I'd like to know if there are any shops that can diagnose and repair, and individuals who know DC motor systems. (I expect to pay someone for his or her time.) Thanks, Jerry McIntire From dbsalzman@columbia-center.org Fri Apr 30 09:55:36 2004 Received: from colcenter.org (a.colcenter.org [198.69.102.240]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i3UGtYaK025573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:55:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbsalzman@columbia-center.org) Received: from columbia-center.org ([198.69.103.188]) by columbia-center.org (colcenter.org [198.69.102.9]) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.4.R) with ESMTP id 41-md50000000102.tmp for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:37:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:41:05 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: DAVE SALZMAN To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200404281900.i3SJ0oaJ062759@agora.rdrop.com> Message-Id: <2C86034A-9AC5-11D8-9D49-000A27D968E0@columbia-center.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Spam-Processed: colcenter.org, Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:37:05 -0700 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 198.69.103.188 X-Return-Path: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: clueless X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:55:37 -0000 ktaservices.com can send you a catalog that will help you get started. My 92 Geo Metro uses a lot of the #4 kit. 65MPH - 30 to 50 mile range. 120 Volt system. Good Luck, Dave On Wednesday, April 28, 2004, at 12:00 PM, oeva-list-request@oeva.org wrote: > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > oeva-list@oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oeva-list-request@oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oeva-list-owner@oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net (Jason Vurik) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 02:06:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jason Vurik > Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net > To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@badseed.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > feedback: For starters.. i'm cluesless on what one needs for converting > a car over to electric... Basically i'm starting from scratch and dont > know alot about this process.. Alos interested in the proformance > aspect of electric vehicles.. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 7, Issue 17 > **************************************** > From rmerwin@aracnet.com Sat May 1 21:27:35 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:PqmD6U4Ohr+svSZ14fccYKBv/8mOHfjB@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i424RYaK094232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 21:27:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i424RVG3029069; Sat, 1 May 2004 21:27:31 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i424RVt7029067; Sat, 1 May 2004 21:27:31 -0700 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200405020427.i424RVt7029067@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Portland EV technicians? To: jerry.mcintire@comcast.net (Jerry McIntire) Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 21:27:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Jerry McIntire" at Apr 28, 2004 09:39:44 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 04:27:35 -0000 Jerry McIntire writes: > > I live in SW Portland and am looking at getting back into an electric car. > It's been almost ten years, and I was on the East coast part of that time. > Can you tell me what options there are for getting the EV part of an EV > repaired, if the need arises? I'd like to know if there are any shops that > can diagnose and repair, and individuals who know DC motor systems. (I > expect to pay someone for his or her time.) Jerry, I don't know of any EV shops in the Portland area. Lon Gillis (sp) used to have a shop out in McMinnville but I don't know if he's still running or not. Ralph From acid_lead@yahoo.com Mon May 3 10:11:05 2004 Received: from web14802.mail.yahoo.com (web14802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.218]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i43HB4aJ048825 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 10:11:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acid_lead@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040503171104.40492.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.21.212.79] by web14802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 May 2004 10:11:04 PDT Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: George Tylinski Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Portland EV technicians? To: oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: <200405020427.i424RVt7029067@onyx.spiritone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 17:11:05 -0000 The name is Lon Gillas, I don't know what he's up to nowadays. It would be pretty nice if an auto electric supply place could get up to speed on EV conversions. It would be rather easy to grok the mainstream DC-conversion-kit-style system, then branch out to Sparrow, Citycar, and Gonzo as the need arose. Just dealing a battery discount would be valuable alone. There used to be a place on Powell (S&P ?) that was already pretty EV-freindly, I think that guy is still in town somewhere. I supose he would be a good starting point if someone remembers his name or knows where he is now. Otherwise, "it takes a village (idiot)" to run an EV in this town. Fortunately, people have been quite helpful when I've needed a hand. --- Ralph Merwin wrote: > Jerry McIntire writes: > > > > I live in SW Portland and am looking at getting back into an > electric car. > > It's been almost ten years, and I was on the East coast part > of that time. > > Can you tell me what options there are for getting the EV > part of an EV > > repaired, if the need arises? I'd like to know if there are > any shops that > > can diagnose and repair, and individuals who know DC motor > systems. (I > > expect to pay someone for his or her time.) > > Jerry, > > I don't know of any EV shops in the Portland area. Lon Gillis > (sp) used > to have a shop out in McMinnville but I don't know if he's > still running > or not. ===== GT / 73 Midget / Portland, OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From acid_lead@yahoo.com Mon May 3 10:15:44 2004 Received: from web14806.mail.yahoo.com (web14806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.222]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i43HFiaJ050022 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 10:15:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acid_lead@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040503171543.34566.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.21.212.79] by web14806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 May 2004 10:15:43 PDT Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:15:43 -0700 (PDT) From: George Tylinski Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Portland EV technicians? To: oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: <200405020427.i424RVt7029067@onyx.spiritone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 17:15:45 -0000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net Also check out the message whose subject line is above, from 03/04/2004... ===== GT / 73 Midget / Portland, OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From ejts@comcast.net Wed May 5 15:58:20 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i45MwJaJ036874 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 15:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A173A78600FA; Wed, 05 May 2004 15:57:55 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <050504126.57476@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:58:19 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Next OEVA meeting (May 13th) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 22:58:20 -0000 Again, I've confirmed the venue at 1st and Salmon for the next OEVA meeting. All will be normal as far as the site. Gather at 7:00PM, meeting at 7:30PM. The regular notice will go out over the weekend on this and the main EVDL lists. I have the sign, to which I added our web URL. I think it works well. You all will be the judges. There are some schedule conflicts brewing that may require someone to help keep things on track for this meeting. Gary will be out of town. I may be late due to an unusual OMSI happening. There may be one item that the group will want to discuss. I'm trying to track down details, but there may be an opportunity to get on KPSU, 1450 AM, radio some Thursday evening for the 7:00PM show. They want to get a few EVers to talk up EVs in a panel format. Once we get a better idea of the potential schedule, we would like to see how many of us might like to join in. There's a slight chance that they'd do a live remote from the OEVA meeting, but that won't happen next week. BTW, this is the Portland State University radio station. If someone would be available for me to email whatever I gather, if anything, and handle running the meeting (at least starting it) and discussing this, please let me know. Maybe I could even get the sign to that person so everything will go well if I get hung up at OMSI longer than I hope to. Note that I'd blow off OMSI for you people if it wasn't such a special, once-only occurance that's been in limbo for over two months. I will make great effort to get away as early as possible, but it would be best for all if someone would like to step up to direct the meeting. There's not much to it. I'll fill in what's required. Probably should be an elected officer, just to look like we know what we're doing. However, I thought I throw it out here first so everyone knows. Still should be a great meeting, though. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From dbsalzman@columbia-center.org Thu May 6 10:57:50 2004 Received: from colcenter.org (a.colcenter.org [198.69.102.240]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i46HvnaK021807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 10:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbsalzman@columbia-center.org) Received: from columbia-center.org ([198.69.103.204]) by columbia-center.org (colcenter.org [198.69.102.9]) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.4.R) with ESMTP id 47-md50000000129.tmp for ; Thu, 06 May 2004 10:34:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:38:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: DAVE SALZMAN To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3375F909-9F84-11D8-9D49-000A27D968E0@columbia-center.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Spam-Processed: colcenter.org, Thu, 06 May 2004 10:34:25 -0700 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 198.69.103.204 X-Return-Path: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] St. Helens Parade X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 17:57:51 -0000 Anyone wanting to participate in the St. Helens parade on Saturday, June 19, should send for a registration form from River City Days Parade KIWANIS Club of St. Helens P O Box 295 St. Helens,Or. 97051 Or call, Fergus Pilon Parade Chairman 503-397-2929 Entries will be required to have liability insurance. If charging is required 120 Volts is available at my home and I can probably rig up some 240 Volts if needed. Just let me know. Dave From ejts@comcast.net Thu May 6 21:20:22 2004 Received: from staff.webbox.com (76.234.quiknet.com [207.183.234.76]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i474KLaJ079872 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 21:20:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69] by staff.webbox.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A5891365014A; Thu, 06 May 2004 20:42:01 -0700 Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A54BDF4D0050; Thu, 06 May 2004 20:40:59 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <060504127.74451@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 20:41:05 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Test X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 04:20:22 -0000 I seem to be having trouble posting to the list, so I thought I'd try a short message. That was it. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From ejts@comcast.net Fri May 7 20:57:41 2004 Received: from staff.webbox.com (76.234.quiknet.com [207.183.234.76]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i483vfaJ023253 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 20:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69] by staff.webbox.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id AA66E70072; Fri, 07 May 2004 17:31:34 -0700 Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AA266E34009A; Fri, 07 May 2004 17:30:30 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <070504128.63024@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:30:36 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Next OEVA meeting (May 13th) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 03:57:42 -0000 Again, I've confirmed the venue at 1st and Salmon for the next OEVA meeting. All will be normal as far as the site. Gather at 7:00PM, meeting at 7:30PM. The regular notice will go out over the weekend on this and the main EVDL lists. I have the sign, to which I added our web URL. I think it works well. You all will be the judges. There are some schedule conflicts brewing for me that may require someone to help keep things on track for this meeting. Gary will be out of town. I may be late due to an unusual OMSI happening. There may be one item that the group will want to discuss. I'm trying to track down details, but there may be an opportunity to get on KPSU, 1450 AM, radio some Thursday evening for the 7:00PM show. They want to get a few EVers to talk up EVs in a panel format. Once we get a better idea of the potential schedule, we would like to see how many of us might like to join in. There's a slight chance that they'd do a live remote from the OEVA meeting, but that won't happen next week. BTW, this is the Portland State University radio station. If someone would be available for me to email whatever I gather, if anything, and handle running the meeting (at least starting it) and discussing this, please let me know. Maybe I could even get the sign to that person so everything will go well if I get hung up at OMSI longer than I hope to. Note that I'd blow off OMSI for you people if it wasn't such a special, once-only occurance that's been in the works for over two months. I will make great effort to get away as early as possible, but it would be best for all if someone would like to step up to direct the meeting. There's not much to it. I'll fill in what's required. Probably should be an elected officer, just to look like we know what we're doing. However, I thought I throw it out here first so everyone knows. Still should be a great meeting, though. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From rmerwin@aracnet.com Sat May 8 21:29:13 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:Gviv0eC6QXK9UsNi7dj3exmvCol6mqx5@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i494TCaK044082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 21:29:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i494TAG3003698; Sat, 8 May 2004 21:29:10 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i494TAVF003696; Sat, 8 May 2004 21:29:10 -0700 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200405090429.i494TAVF003696@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Next OEVA meeting (May 13th) To: ejts@comcast.net (Eric Johnson) Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 21:29:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <050504126.57476@webbox.com> from "Eric Johnson" at May 05, 2004 03:58:19 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 04:29:13 -0000 Eric Johnson writes: > > Again, I've confirmed the venue at 1st and Salmon for the next > OEVA meeting. All will be normal as far as the site. Gather > at 7:00PM, meeting at 7:30PM. The regular notice will go out > over the weekend on this and the main EVDL lists. Thanks Eric. > There may be one item that the group will want to discuss. I'm > trying to track down details, but there may be an opportunity > to get on KPSU, 1450 AM, radio some Thursday evening for the > 7:00PM show. They want to get a few EVers to talk up EVs in > a panel format. Once we get a better idea of the potential schedule, > we would like to see how many of us might like to join in. There's > a slight chance that they'd do a live remote from the OEVA meeting, > but that won't happen next week. BTW, this is the Portland State > University radio station. Personally, I'm not too keen on a radio show at the OEVA meeting. I think it would completely disrupt the meeting. If folks want to make other arrangements or go down to the station that would be better. > If someone would be available for me to email whatever I gather, > if anything, and handle running the meeting (at least starting > it) and discussing this, please let me know. Maybe I could even > get the sign to that person so everything will go well if I get > hung up at OMSI longer than I hope to. If you have no other volunteers I can handle this. We need to discuss the EV Awareness Day to see how plans are firming up or not, and decide on a drop-dead date that is well before the event. If everything is not lined by the drop-date we will have to call off the event so we don't have problems with cancellation fees, advertising, out-of-town guests, etc. The EAA is also looking for some number of OEVA folks to attend the Chapter's Conference up in Vancouver, BC, during the REV!2004 event. The Chapter's Conference is a yearly chance to meet folks from other EAA chapters and talk about EAA issues. I won't be able to attend this year but if anyone else from the club will be up in Vancouver for REV!2004 anyway, they may want to consider attending the EAA conference too. Ralph From ejts@comcast.net Sat May 8 22:19:04 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i495J3aJ056210 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 22:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AF4633AF00BE; Sat, 08 May 2004 22:19:02 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: RE: Re: [Oeva-list] Next OEVA meeting (May 13th) Message-Id: <080504129.80343@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 22:19:03 -0700 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 05:19:04 -0000 Thanks for volunteering to hold the reins for at least a little while. If someone else wants to, please step forward. Otherwise, Ralph, please be ready to handle it. As for a meeting on radio, I agree that it's not a good idea. In fact, the DJ is looking for maybe four people to come into the studio on one of the Thursdays in June for the show. We'll pick one other than the 10th. If any would like to participate in the on-air interview, please let us know which Thursday in June would be good for you. The dates to choose from are the 3rd, 17th, and 24th. Any would work for me (as well as any other). I'll gladly participate. Expect a meeting announcement before too long. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net >--- Original Message --- >From: Ralph Merwin >To: ejts@comcast.net (Eric Johnson) >Date: 5/8/04 8:29:10 PM > Eric Johnson writes: >> >> Again, I've confirmed the venue at 1st and Salmon for the next >> OEVA meeting. All will be normal as far as the site. Gather >> at 7:00PM, meeting at 7:30PM. The regular notice will go out >> over the weekend on this and the main EVDL lists. > >Thanks Eric. > > >> There may be one item that the group will want to discuss. I'm >> trying to track down details, but there may be an opportunity >> to get on KPSU, 1450 AM, radio some Thursday evening for the >> 7:00PM show. They want to get a few EVers to talk up EVs in >> a panel format. Once we get a better idea of the potential schedule, >> we would like to see how many of us might like to join in. There's >> a slight chance that they'd do a live remote from the OEVA meeting, >> but that won't happen next week. BTW, this is the Portland State >> University radio station. > >Personally, I'm not too keen on a radio show at the OEVA meeting. >I think it would completely disrupt the meeting. If folks want >to make other arrangements or go down to the station that would >be better. > > >> If someone would be available for me to email whatever I gather, >> if anything, and handle running the meeting (at least starting >> it) and discussing this, please let me know. Maybe I could even >> get the sign to that person so everything will go well if I get >> hung up at OMSI longer than I hope to. > >If you have no other volunteers I can handle this. > >We need to discuss the EV Awareness Day to see how plans are firming >up or not, and decide on a drop-dead date that is well before the >event. If everything is not lined by the drop-date we will have to >call off the event so we don't have problems with cancellation fees, >advertising, out-of-town guests, etc. > >The EAA is also looking for some number of OEVA folks to attend the >Chapter's Conference up in Vancouver, BC, during the REV!2004 event. >The Chapter's Conference is a yearly chance to meet folks from other >EAA chapters and talk about EAA issues. I won't be able to attend >this year but if anyone else from the club will be up in Vancouver >for REV!2004 anyway, they may want to consider attending the EAA >conference too. > >Ralph From barnes.rick@comcast.net Sun May 9 07:55:38 2004 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i49EtcaJ085709 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 07:55:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040509145025015007npnhe>; Sun, 9 May 2004 14:50:25 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: "'George Tylinski'" , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Portland EV technicians? Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 07:48:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c435d4$b425c6d0$6600a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20040503171104.40492.qmail@web14802.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 14:55:38 -0000 Shops who service electric golf cars or electric forklifts, man lifts, tugs, etc may be another resource. Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of George Tylinski Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:11 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Portland EV technicians? The name is Lon Gillas, I don't know what he's up to nowadays. It would be pretty nice if an auto electric supply place could get up to speed on EV conversions. It would be rather easy to grok the mainstream DC-conversion-kit-style system, then branch out to Sparrow, Citycar, and Gonzo as the need arose. Just dealing a battery discount would be valuable alone. There used to be a place on Powell (S&P ?) that was already pretty EV-freindly, I think that guy is still in town somewhere. I supose he would be a good starting point if someone remembers his name or knows where he is now. Otherwise, "it takes a village (idiot)" to run an EV in this town. Fortunately, people have been quite helpful when I've needed a hand. --- Ralph Merwin wrote: > Jerry McIntire writes: > > > > I live in SW Portland and am looking at getting back into an > electric car. > > It's been almost ten years, and I was on the East coast part > of that time. > > Can you tell me what options there are for getting the EV > part of an EV > > repaired, if the need arises? I'd like to know if there are > any shops that > > can diagnose and repair, and individuals who know DC motor > systems. (I > > expect to pay someone for his or her time.) > > Jerry, > > I don't know of any EV shops in the Portland area. Lon Gillis > (sp) used > to have a shop out in McMinnville but I don't know if he's still > running or not. ===== GT / 73 Midget / Portland, OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From jerry.mcintire@comcast.net Sun May 9 20:59:12 2004 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4A3xBaJ073957 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 20:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerry.mcintire@comcast.net) Received: from [24.20.142.240] (c-24-20-142-240.client.comcast.net[24.20.142.240]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004051003590601200rjaede>; Mon, 10 May 2004 03:59:06 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 20:59:51 -0700 From: Jerry McIntire To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200405091900.i49J0JaJ048316@agora.rdrop.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: PDX EV techs X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 03:59:12 -0000 Rick, thanks for the suggestion. On Friday I talked with a technician at MC Electric, in Gresham. They sell and service golf carts and NEVs, among other electric vehicles, and said they could help probably if we ever needed service. Jerry From ejts@comcast.net Tue May 11 13:46:04 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4BKk4aJ045729 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AB74ED990130; Tue, 11 May 2004 13:45:40 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <110504132.49540@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:46:05 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Monthly OEVA meeting this Thursday X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:46:05 -0000 A little later than I'd planned, but here's official notice. Usual place: 2 World Trade Center at the corner of 1st and Salmon in downtown Portland. Usual time: Gather around 7:00PM to socialize and check out any vehicles on display in the courtyard. Meeting at 7:30PM, to end by 9:00PM. Gary will be out of town this time. I will be at least a little late and there's a slim possibility that I won't make it at all. Ralph has volunteered to lead the meeting. The most important item to discuss is this year's EV Awareness Day. We'll find out how negotiations are going with the city for Pioneer Courtyard Square. If there's any doubt about it, we'll need to decide on an alternative site now. Another item to consider is a chance for about 4 of us to get some radio time on KPSU, the Portland State University radio station. They do an hour show at 7:00PM each Thursday and would like to have a panel discuss EVs. We won't tie this in with a meeting and sometime in June has been suggested. So, if a number of people could decide between June 3rd, 17th, and 24th, I can set that up with the host. I'll be available for any of those dates (as plans stand now). So, have a good meeting. I hope to be there for most of it. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From acid_lead@yahoo.com Tue May 18 15:54:09 2004 Received: from web14805.mail.yahoo.com (web14805.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.221]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i4IMs7aJ015390 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 15:54:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acid_lead@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040518225405.94723.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.160.141.154] by web14805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 May 2004 15:54:05 PDT Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: George Tylinski To: List EV MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 19 May 2004 08:26:03 -0700 Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Orbital/Optima size comparison X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:54:10 -0000 My first battery box had been built a few months ago by Mark Mongillo and his associate. It was designed to hold 5 Optima YTs. It is stong, beautiful, and expensive. And Orbitals won't fit in there. This made me mad. John Wayland then lent me an Orbital XCD, the kind he's currently using. I created a CAD model to do better on my remaining boxes. I also wrote a document clearly describing the mechanical differences between the two. Hopefully this will make it easier for others to design boxes that are compatible with either battery. http://tylinski.fastmail.us/EV/ORBYT/ Hopefully by the time I murder my YTs, Exide will offer the Orbital XCD34 without side terminals. ===== George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) 73 MG Midget / Portland, OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ From tony@notebene.net Wed May 19 23:22:19 2004 Received: from mxqueue.easystreet.com (mxqueue.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.9]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4K6MJaK067820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 23:22:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (bond0.cpq075.bea1.easy.easystreet.com [10.32.10.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mxqueue.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445B81B9B47 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 23:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from notebene.net (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088976DC00F for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 23:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <40AC4E8D.4090903@notebene.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 23:22:05 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Renault EV X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 06:22:19 -0000 Hi all, It's been more than a year since I started the rework on my Renault and today I drove it to the MAX and back, which was vert good. Electrically it worked fine. Unfortunately the brakes suck. Very sad, since that's what the project was really supposed to be upgrading. The rest was just candy fixes. So, I have and EV that is too dangerous to drive, almost crashed when I couldn't stop a light at the bottom on a hill on the way home. I don't know enough about brakes to fix it and the changes that were made were very custom. I will not have anything to do with the person I was working with, as he screwed me in every possible way on this project ($3,000~ , 1yr+, still not working). And he's not working suing. So, I'm looking for some advice... Should I just part the dang thing out as start over? Fix it (again) - with no spare time, no spare money to speak of, sigh. something eles? --Tony From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Thu May 20 07:28:14 2004 Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (h012.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.240]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i4KESEaJ073636 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: (cpmta 18317 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 07:21:31 -0700 Received: from 63.229.141.62 (HELO ICEARROW) by smtp.copperlionslair.com (209.228.33.240) with SMTP; 20 May 2004 07:21:31 -0700 X-Sent: 20 May 2004 14:21:31 GMT Message-ID: <000b01c43e75$bf799ad0$0200a8c0@ICEARROW> From: "CopperLion" To: "Tony McCormick" , "oeva-list" References: <40AC4E8D.4090903@notebene.net> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Renault EV Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 07:21:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:28:14 -0000 Tony- By custom, do you mean getting rid of the conventional brakes and going strictly with regen? If not regenerative brakes, does it involve custom fitting of brakes from a completely different model of vehicle? Depending on how custom this brake job is, it may be fixable as it is. If there's hydraulics involved, it may just require bleeding air out of the lines and/or the master cylinder. If you have a few weeks that it can wait, I'm sure that if nobody else here offers I might be able to look over the system and help you figure something out. I might even be able to donate some time to helping you fix the issue. Not all is lost- that's why this community exists. :-) -Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony McCormick" To: "oeva-list" Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:22 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] Renault EV > Hi all, > > It's been more than a year since I started the rework on my Renault and > today I drove it to the MAX and back, which was vert good. Electrically > it worked fine. Unfortunately the brakes suck. Very sad, since that's > what the project was really supposed to be upgrading. The rest was just > candy fixes. > > So, I have and EV that is too dangerous to drive, almost crashed when I > couldn't stop a light at the bottom on a hill on the way home. > > I don't know enough about brakes to fix it and the changes that were > made were very custom. I will not have anything to do with the person I > was working with, as he screwed me in every possible way on this project > ($3,000~ , 1yr+, still not working). And he's not working suing. > > So, I'm looking for some advice... > Should I just part the dang thing out as start over? > Fix it (again) - with no spare time, no spare money to speak of, sigh. > something eles? > > --Tony > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From rmerwin@aracnet.com Thu May 20 10:33:26 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:OKpTIC6bTknbcy3wWgdyeUGHv71LHsTd@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4KHXPaK022048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4KHXNj9021250; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:33:23 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i4KHXMud021248; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:33:23 -0700 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200405201733.i4KHXMud021248@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Renault EV To: tony@notebene.net (Tony McCormick) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:33:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <40AC4E8D.4090903@notebene.net> from "Tony McCormick" at May 19, 2004 11:22:05 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:33:26 -0000 Tony, Were you able to get some braking action by pumping the pedal, or were they just not responding? I think that at one point you had the car running with these brakes. Is this true? If so, and they worked OK then, then it's probably just a matter of the brake lines needing to be flushed out. Any auto shop should be able to do this for you. If the brakes have never worked well since the rebuild, it might be possible that the brake pads haven't had time to break in. Try taking the car to an empty parking lot and give the brakes a good workout. It might also be possible that the brakes aren't setup properly. If the master cylinder isn't sized correctly to the slave cylinders you could end up with brakes that are too touchy or are ineffective. You might also try talking to a race shop. Ralph Tony McCormick writes: > > Hi all, > > It's been more than a year since I started the rework on my Renault and > today I drove it to the MAX and back, which was vert good. Electrically > it worked fine. Unfortunately the brakes suck. Very sad, since that's > what the project was really supposed to be upgrading. The rest was just > candy fixes. > > So, I have and EV that is too dangerous to drive, almost crashed when I > couldn't stop a light at the bottom on a hill on the way home. > > I don't know enough about brakes to fix it and the changes that were > made were very custom. I will not have anything to do with the person I > was working with, as he screwed me in every possible way on this project > ($3,000~ , 1yr+, still not working). And he's not working suing. > > So, I'm looking for some advice... > Should I just part the dang thing out as start over? > Fix it (again) - with no spare time, no spare money to speak of, sigh. > something eles? > > --Tony > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From acid_lead@yahoo.com Thu May 20 16:51:44 2004 Received: from web14803.mail.yahoo.com (web14803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.219]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i4KNphaJ033382 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acid_lead@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040520235143.57681.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.160.141.154] by web14803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:51:43 PDT Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:51:43 -0700 (PDT) From: George Tylinski Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Renault EV To: oeva-list In-Reply-To: <000b01c43e75$bf799ad0$0200a8c0@ICEARROW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 23:51:44 -0000 I agree - get the thing to work and get on with enjoying your creation. Ideally someone could recommend a shop that will evaluate it for you, then you can decide how and when to go about sorting the problem. It could be as simple as a hydraulic leak or the wrong pads (racing pads are NOT good for the street - they must be HOT to work well). If the pedal goes to the floor, then it's not well bled or the master cylinder piston is too small. If the pedal is solid and the car's not slowing down, it could be a clogged line, or stuck pistons. Or perhaps the lines are not connected to the right holes (it could happen). If someone was doing a "common" brake swap, the problem seems more likely in the installation than the component selection. Gary Gilbertson at Gilbertson Machine Shop (233-6491) is who I go to when I get stuck. He has done a lot of work on my EV and he was involved with Dick Findley's electric Renault (I think he was a friend of Dick's). The guy is an incredible storehouse of car knowledge, though minicars are surely not his forte. He works on the most bizarre projects I've ever heard of, nothing phases him. But Gary's not going to test drive it, I don't think. He'll just examine what's there and work out the problems. A racing shop would be a better choice, they would be into testing and adjusting, whereas Gary will set you up and then it's your job to test and tune. Congratulations on getting the electrical part working!!! --- CopperLion wrote: > Tony- > By custom, do you mean getting rid of the conventional brakes > and going > strictly with regen? > If not regenerative brakes, does it involve custom fitting of > brakes from a > completely different model of vehicle? > Depending on how custom this brake job is, it may be fixable > as it is. If > there's hydraulics involved, it may just require bleeding air > out of the > lines and/or the master cylinder. If you have a few weeks that > it can wait, > I'm sure that if nobody else here offers I might be able to > look over the > system and help you figure something out. I might even be able > to donate > some time to helping you fix the issue. > Not all is lost- that's why this community exists. :-) > -Kevin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony McCormick" > To: "oeva-list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:22 PM > Subject: [Oeva-list] Renault EV > > > > Hi all, > > > > It's been more than a year since I started the rework on my > Renault and > > today I drove it to the MAX and back, which was vert good. > Electrically > > it worked fine. Unfortunately the brakes suck. Very sad, > since that's > > what the project was really supposed to be upgrading. The > rest was just > > candy fixes. > > > > So, I have and EV that is too dangerous to drive, almost > crashed when I > > couldn't stop a light at the bottom on a hill on the way > home. > > > > I don't know enough about brakes to fix it and the changes > that were > > made were very custom. I will not have anything to do with > the person I > > was working with, as he screwed me in every possible way on > this project > > ($3,000~ , 1yr+, still not working). And he's not working > suing. > > > > So, I'm looking for some advice... > > Should I just part the dang thing out as start over? > > Fix it (again) - with no spare time, no spare money to > speak of, > sigh. > > something eles? > > > > --Tony ===== George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) 73 MG Midget / Portland, OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer From tony@notebene.net Thu May 20 18:31:59 2004 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4L1VwaK058290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 18:31:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from notebene.net (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D09A364004 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 18:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <40AD5C08.8000604@notebene.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:31:52 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Renault EV References: <20040520235143.57681.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040520235143.57681.qmail@web14803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 01:31:59 -0000 Thanks for the support and suggestions. To provide a bit more detail: The brakes work, but are mushy, pedal travels too far and inadequate to stop the car very well. The brakes were actually worse as they warmed up. The job involved replacing the front disks and calipers with 9 inch vented disks and calipers from a newer Renault Alliance, new pads and custom machine mounts for the calipers. The master cylinder was also replaced. The original had a standard vacuum assist setup and we went to a completely manual cylinder which was supposed to be more than adequate. Barring a simple line bleeding (which he suppossedly did several times) then the master cylinder is the likely culprit. In any case, I'm not certain what I REALLY ended up with, I don't trust what Jamie told me he did anymore. --Tony From jrab@e-m-w.com Fri May 21 05:10:32 2004 Received: from e-m-w.com (dhmail01.dollarhost.com [65.61.221.201]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4LCAWaJ098656 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrab@e-m-w.com) Received: from [192.168.0.111] [64.171.186.26] by e-m-w.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id ACC37F400AE; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:41:07 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 03:41:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Renault EV From: John RA Benson To: Tony McCormick , Oregon EV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40AD5C08.8000604@notebene.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:10:33 -0000 >From the armchair mechanic here (who is redoing his brakes, too), there are 3 important details in this: > The brakes work, but are mushy Definitely an air in the line symptom. Need to bleed them again. Replacing the master cylinder means lots of air in the system. You might also try cracking the nuts of the lines to and from the cylinder - that will bleed the cylinder better than forcing it out through the brakes. At least that's what's been recommended for my 914. > pedal travels too far and inadequate to > stop the car very well. That's symptomatic of a couple problems - hopefully it's just the air in the lines. That's easy. The other issue could be that the master cylinder isn't sized properly for the braking system. You need it to displace so much fluid to all 4 brakes. If it's undersized, you will be pushing "X" amount when you really need "2*X" to apply stopping pressure. I'm curious how "more than adequate" was calculated. Here's a good tech article on the subject: http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/914_BMW_calipers/brake_calc2.htm > The brakes were actually worse as they warmed up Could be: bad brake fluid. What's being used? If there is air in the line and the fluid boils at too low a temp, you will get a very scary situation where the brakes fail. Also could be like Ralph pointed out, the pads and disks aren't broken in. Too many hard stops too quickly on the pads can glaze them, and they won't work as well. The install instructions on the pads I'm putting in (nothing fancy) recommended light braking for 300 miles. Seems like a lot, but that's what it said. Good luck. I'd guess your problems with it aren't as bad as you feel they are right now. Sounds like you made an investment in good parts, so it's just a matter of getting them to work together properly. JRAB On 5/20/04 6:31 PM, "Tony McCormick" wrote: > Thanks for the support and suggestions. To provide a bit more detail: > > The brakes work, but are mushy, pedal travels too far and inadequate to > stop the car very well. The brakes were actually worse as they warmed up. > > The job involved replacing the front disks and calipers with 9 inch > vented disks and calipers from a newer Renault Alliance, new pads and > custom machine mounts for the calipers. The master cylinder was also > replaced. The original had a standard vacuum assist setup and we went to > a completely manual cylinder which was supposed to be more than > adequate. Barring a simple line bleeding (which he suppossedly did > several times) then the master cylinder is the likely culprit. > > In any case, I'm not certain what I REALLY ended up with, I don't trust > what Jamie told me he did anymore. > > --Tony > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From tony@notebene.net Mon May 24 21:38:58 2004 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4P4cvaK081425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 21:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from notebene.net (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAA4364040 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 21:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <40B2CDE6.7070501@notebene.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:39:02 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Renault EV References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060407090801020300060801" X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 04:38:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060407090801020300060801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info, John. I'm going to bleed the brakes this weekend. I have no idea what kind of fluid was used, so perhaps I should replace it with something known? I wasn't even aware that there were different kinds. What do you suggest? Anybody know where I can get a bigger master cylinder for a 1980 Renault LeCar ( or perhaps an Alliance GT) if I end up needing one. The original power assisted one is long gone. --Tony John RA Benson wrote: >>From the armchair mechanic here (who is redoing his brakes, too), there are >3 important details in this: > > > >>The brakes work, but are mushy >> >> > >Definitely an air in the line symptom. Need to bleed them again. Replacing >the master cylinder means lots of air in the system. You might also try >cracking the nuts of the lines to and from the cylinder - that will bleed >the cylinder better than forcing it out through the brakes. At least that's >what's been recommended for my 914. > > > >>pedal travels too far and inadequate to >>stop the car very well. >> >> > >That's symptomatic of a couple problems - hopefully it's just the air in the >lines. That's easy. The other issue could be that the master cylinder isn't >sized properly for the braking system. You need it to displace so much fluid >to all 4 brakes. If it's undersized, you will be pushing "X" amount when you >really need "2*X" to apply stopping pressure. I'm curious how "more than >adequate" was calculated. Here's a good tech article on the subject: >http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/914_BMW_calipers/brake_calc2.htm > > > >>The brakes were actually worse as they warmed up >> >> >Could be: bad brake fluid. What's being used? If there is air in the line >and the fluid boils at too low a temp, you will get a very scary situation >where the brakes fail. Also could be like Ralph pointed out, the pads and >disks aren't broken in. Too many hard stops too quickly on the pads can >glaze them, and they won't work as well. The install instructions on the >pads I'm putting in (nothing fancy) recommended light braking for 300 miles. >Seems like a lot, but that's what it said. > >Good luck. I'd guess your problems with it aren't as bad as you feel they >are right now. Sounds like you made an investment in good parts, so it's >just a matter of getting them to work together properly. > >JRAB > > >On 5/20/04 6:31 PM, "Tony McCormick" wrote: > > > >>Thanks for the support and suggestions. To provide a bit more detail: >> >>The brakes work, but are mushy, pedal travels too far and inadequate to >>stop the car very well. The brakes were actually worse as they warmed up. >> >>The job involved replacing the front disks and calipers with 9 inch >>vented disks and calipers from a newer Renault Alliance, new pads and >>custom machine mounts for the calipers. The master cylinder was also >>replaced. The original had a standard vacuum assist setup and we went to >>a completely manual cylinder which was supposed to be more than >>adequate. Barring a simple line bleeding (which he suppossedly did >>several times) then the master cylinder is the likely culprit. >> >>In any case, I'm not certain what I REALLY ended up with, I don't trust >>what Jamie told me he did anymore. >> >>--Tony >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Oeva-list mailing list >>Oeva-list@oeva.org >>http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> > > > > > --------------060407090801020300060801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info, John.   I'm going to bleed the brakes this weekend.  I have no idea what kind of fluid was used, so perhaps I should replace it with something known?   I wasn't even aware that there were different kinds.  What do you suggest?

Anybody know where I can get a bigger master cylinder for a 1980 Renault LeCar ( or perhaps an Alliance GT) if I end up needing one.   The original power assisted one is long gone.

--Tony

John RA Benson wrote:
>From the armchair mechanic here (who is redoing his brakes, too), there are
3 important details in this:

  
The brakes work, but are mushy
    

Definitely an air in the line symptom. Need to bleed them again. Replacing
the master cylinder means lots of air in the system. You might also try
cracking the nuts of the lines to and from the cylinder  - that will bleed
the cylinder better than forcing it out through the brakes. At least that's
what's been recommended for my 914.

  
pedal travels too far and inadequate to
stop the car very well.
    

That's symptomatic of a couple problems - hopefully it's just the air in the
lines. That's easy. The other issue could be that the master cylinder isn't
sized properly for the braking system. You need it to displace so much fluid
to all 4 brakes. If it's undersized, you will be pushing "X" amount when you
really need "2*X" to apply stopping pressure. I'm curious how "more than
adequate" was calculated. Here's a good tech article on the subject:
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/914_BMW_calipers/brake_calc2.htm

  
The brakes were actually worse as they warmed up
    
Could be: bad brake fluid. What's being used? If there is air in the line
and the fluid boils at too low a temp, you will get a very scary situation
where the brakes fail. Also could be like Ralph pointed out, the pads and
disks aren't broken in. Too many hard stops too quickly on the pads can
glaze them, and they won't work as well. The install instructions on the
pads I'm putting in (nothing fancy) recommended light braking for 300 miles.
Seems like a lot, but that's what it said.

Good luck. I'd guess your problems with it aren't as bad as you feel they
are right now. Sounds like you made an investment in good parts, so it's
just a matter of getting them to work together properly.

JRAB


On 5/20/04 6:31 PM, "Tony McCormick" <tony@notebene.net> wrote:

  
Thanks for the support and suggestions. To provide a bit more detail:

The brakes work, but are mushy, pedal travels too far and inadequate to
stop the car very well. The brakes were actually worse as they warmed up.

The job involved replacing the front disks and calipers with 9 inch
vented disks and calipers from a newer Renault Alliance, new pads and
custom machine mounts for the calipers. The master cylinder was also
replaced. The original had a standard vacuum assist setup and we went to
a completely manual cylinder which was supposed to be more than
adequate. Barring a simple line bleeding (which he suppossedly did
several times) then the master cylinder is the likely culprit.

In any case, I'm not certain what I REALLY ended up with, I don't trust
what Jamie told me he did anymore.

--Tony


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--------------060407090801020300060801-- From jrab@e-m-w.com Mon May 24 23:07:20 2004 Received: from e-m-w.com (dhmail01.dollarhost.com [65.61.221.201]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4P67KaJ001190 for ; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrab@e-m-w.com) Received: from [192.168.0.111] [66.127.59.103] by e-m-w.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A28DEF620076; Mon, 24 May 2004 23:07:09 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 23:07:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Renault EV From: John RA Benson To: Tony McCormick , Oregon EV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40B2CDE6.7070501@notebene.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3168284861_6730378" Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 06:07:20 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3168284861_6730378 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Brake fluids come in different grades; the differences are in their boiling points. DOT4 has a higher boiling point than DOT3. My mechanic originally recommended nothing less than DOT4, which I used and I never had a problem with it. I just bled mine this past weekend, and used something called ATE superblue which doesn=B9t have a grade, but it is a higher boiling point than DOT4 - but it=B9s overkill =AD I had to order parts for the caliper rebuild and got the fluid too so I didn=B9t have to search around for some. It=B9s recommended to have a gallon on hand. The capacity for the 914 is only 12 oz, however. I was amazed how quickly the fluid went from the reservoir to the calipers.=20 I also recommend a helper who is tireless with being able to pump the brake ;) . Offhand, since there seems to be a trust issue, I=B9d replace the flui= d with a known quantity/quality product. I=B9m sure all these things are different, but in my case, my brakes were still a bit spongy, but I didn=B9t adjust the venting clearance (space at res= t between disk and pads) properly. Its supposed to be .2 mm, which it turns out is the thickness of 32 gauge wire. I had it eyeballed to about .5 - .75 mm, so there is still some tweaking to do next weekend for me. One warning: Brake fluid will eat the paint, so don=B9t drip it on the car. Wash it off with soap & water ASAP if you drip. Now, does anyone know where to dispose of that old fluid? Have fun - JRAB=20 On 5/24/04 9:39 PM, "Tony McCormick" wrote: > Thanks for the info, John. I'm going to bleed the brakes this weekend. = I > have no idea what kind of fluid was used, so perhaps I should replace it = with > something known? I wasn't even aware that there were different kinds. = What > do you suggest? >=20 > Anybody know where I can get a bigger master cylinder for a 1980 Renault = LeCar > ( or perhaps an Alliance GT) if I end up needing one. The original power > assisted one is long gone. >=20 > --Tony >=20 > John RA Benson wrote: >> =20 >>> >From the armchair mechanic here (who is redoing his brakes, too), ther= e are >> 3 important details in this: >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >>> =20 >>> The brakes work, but are mushy >>> =20 >>> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Definitely an air in the line symptom. Need to bleed them again. Replaci= ng >> the master cylinder means lots of air in the system. You might also try >> cracking the nuts of the lines to and from the cylinder - that will ble= ed >> the cylinder better than forcing it out through the brakes. At least tha= t's >> what's been recommended for my 914. >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >>> =20 >>> pedal travels too far and inadequate to >>> stop the car very well. >>> =20 >>> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> That's symptomatic of a couple problems - hopefully it's just the air in= the >> lines. That's easy. The other issue could be that the master cylinder is= n't >> sized properly for the braking system. You need it to displace so much f= luid >> to all 4 brakes. If it's undersized, you will be pushing "X" amount when= you >> really need "2*X" to apply stopping pressure. I'm curious how "more than >> adequate" was calculated. Here's a good tech article on the subject: >> http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/914_BMW_calipers/brake_calc2.ht= m >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >>> =20 >>> The brakes were actually worse as they warmed up >>> =20 >>> =20 >> =20 >> Could be: bad brake fluid. What's being used? If there is air in the lin= e >> and the fluid boils at too low a temp, you will get a very scary situati= on >> where the brakes fail. Also could be like Ralph pointed out, the pads an= d >> disks aren't broken in. Too many hard stops too quickly on the pads can >> glaze them, and they won't work as well. The install instructions on the >> pads I'm putting in (nothing fancy) recommended light braking for 300 mi= les. >> Seems like a lot, but that's what it said. >>=20 >> Good luck. I'd guess your problems with it aren't as bad as you feel the= y >> are right now. Sounds like you made an investment in good parts, so it's >> just a matter of getting them to work together properly. >>=20 >> JRAB >>=20 >>=20 >> On 5/20/04 6:31 PM, "Tony McCormick" >> wrote: >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >>> =20 >>> Thanks for the support and suggestions. To provide a bit more detail: >>>=20 >>> The brakes work, but are mushy, pedal travels too far and inadequate to >>> stop the car very well. The brakes were actually worse as they warmed u= p. >>>=20 >>> The job involved replacing the front disks and calipers with 9 inch >>> vented disks and calipers from a newer Renault Alliance, new pads and >>> custom machine mounts for the calipers. The master cylinder was also >>> replaced. The original had a standard vacuum assist setup and we went t= o >>> a completely manual cylinder which was supposed to be more than >>> adequate. Barring a simple line bleeding (which he suppossedly did >>> several times) then the master cylinder is the likely culprit. >>>=20 >>> In any case, I'm not certain what I REALLY ended up with, I don't trust >>> what Jamie told me he did anymore. >>>=20 >>> --Tony >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Oeva-list mailing list >>> Oeva-list@oeva.org >>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >=20 --B_3168284861_6730378 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Oeva-list] Renault EV Brake fluids come in di= fferent grades; the differences are in their boiling points. DOT4 has a high= er boiling point than DOT3. My mechanic originally recommended nothing less = than DOT4, which I used and I never had a problem with it. I just bled mine = this past weekend, and used something called ATE superblue which doesn’= ;t have a grade, but it is a higher boiling point than DOT4 - but it’s= overkill – I had to order parts for the caliper rebuild and got the f= luid too so I didn’t have to search around for some. It’s recomm= ended to have a gallon on hand. The capacity for the 914 is only 12 oz, howe= ver. I was amazed how quickly the fluid went from the reservoir to the calip= ers.

I also recommend a helper who is tireless with being able to pump the brake= ;) . Offhand,   since there seems to be a trust issue, I’d = replace the fluid with a known quantity/quality product.

I’m sure all these things are different, but in my case, my brakes we= re still a bit spongy, but I didn’t adjust the venting clearance (spac= e at rest between disk and pads) properly. Its supposed to be .2 mm, which i= t turns out is the thickness of 32 gauge wire. I had it eyeballed to about .= 5 - .75 mm, so there is still some tweaking to do next weekend for me.

One warning: Brake fluid will eat the paint, so don’t drip it on the = car. Wash it off with soap & water ASAP if you drip.

Now, does anyone know where to dispose of that old fluid?

Have fun -
JRAB

On 5/24/04 9:39 PM, "Tony McCormick" <tony@notebene.net> wr= ote:

Thanks for the info, John.   I'm going to bleed the brakes this= weekend.  I have no idea what kind of fluid was used, so perhaps I sho= uld replace it with something known?   I wasn't even aware that th= ere were different kinds.  What do you suggest?

Anybody know where I can get a bigger master cylinder for a 1980 Renault Le= Car ( or perhaps an Alliance GT) if I end up needing one.  The original= power assisted one is long gone.

--Tony

John RA Benson wrote:

>From the armchair mechanic here (who is redoing his brakes, too), there= are
3 important details in this:

  
 

The brakes work, but are mushy
    
 


Definitely an air in the line symptom. Need to bleed them again. Replacing<= BR> the master cylinder means lots of air in the system. You might also try
cracking the nuts of the lines to and from the cylinder  - that will b= leed
the cylinder better than forcing it out through the brakes. At least that's=
what's been recommended for my 914.

  
 

pedal travels too far and inadequate to
stop the car very well.
    
 


That's symptomatic of a couple problems - hopefully it's just the air in th= e
lines. That's easy. The other issue could be that the master cylinder isn't=
sized properly for the braking system. You need it to displace so much flui= d
to all 4 brakes. If it's undersized, you will be pushing "X" amou= nt when you
really need "2*X" to apply stopping pressure. I'm curious how &qu= ot;more than
adequate" was calculated. Here's a good tech article on the subject: http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/914_BMW_calipers/brake_cal= c2.htm

  
 

The brakes were actually worse as they warmed up
    
 

Could be: bad brake fluid. What's being used? If there is air in the line and the fluid boils at too low a temp, you will get a very scary situation<= BR> where the brakes fail. Also could be like Ralph pointed out, the pads and disks aren't broken in. Too many hard stops too quickly on the pads can
glaze them, and they won't work as well. The install instructions on the pads I'm putting in (nothing fancy) recommended light braking for 300 miles= .
Seems like a lot, but that's what it said.

Good luck. I'd guess your problems with it aren't as bad as you feel they are right now. Sounds like you made an investment in good parts, so it's just a matter of getting them to work together properly.

JRAB


On 5/20/04 6:31 PM, "Tony McCormick" <tony@notebene.net> <mailto:tony@notebene.net>  = wrote:

  
 

Thanks for the support and suggestions. To provide a bit more detail:

The brakes work, but are mushy, pedal travels too far and inadequate to
stop the car very well. The brakes were actually worse as they warmed up.
The job involved replacing the front disks and calipers with 9 inch
vented disks and calipers from a newer Renault Alliance, new pads and
custom machine mounts for the calipers. The master cylinder was also
replaced. The original had a standard vacuum assist setup and we went to a completely manual cylinder which was supposed to be more than
adequate. Barring a simple line bleeding (which he suppossedly did
several times) then the master cylinder is the likely culprit.

In any case, I'm not certain what I REALLY ended up with, I don't trust
what Jamie told me he did anymore.

--Tony


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 --B_3168284861_6730378-- From paburkey@juno.com Tue Jun 1 15:53:02 2004 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i51Mr1jZ093711 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBCfNXtTnV5XLIeMBOifHUtJAmlmcPJkfHw== Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JW3VBK77; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:46:10 PDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:45:16 -0700 Message-ID: <20040601.154517.2548.3.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_28cb.7c67.68dd X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-11,15-30,32-34,40,41-32767 From: Paul A Burkey Subject: [Oeva-list] Upcoming Events X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:53:02 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_28cb.7c67.68dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, The upcoming event are: Saturday June 19th: St. Helens River City parade. Also regarding the St. Helens River City parade will be on June 19th, I don't have a time as yet. As of right now there will not be a static display afterward due to a lack of volunteers willing to step forward and take charge. Anyone wanting to participate in the St. Helens parade on Saturday, June 19, should send for a registration form from River City Days Parade KIWANIS Club of St. Helens P O Box 295 St. Helens, OR. 97051 Or call, Fergus Pilon Parade Chairman 503-397-2929 Entries will be required to have liability insurance. If charging is required 120 Volts is available at my home and I can probably rig up some 240 Volts if needed. Just let me know. Saturday July 3th: Hillsboro Rotary Club's 4th of July Parade I need description of vehicles so I can send in preregister. A small group of 6 vehicles can be for one entry. I would like to get enough for large group this year! Let show others that we can be independent of oil and use local electricity. If anyone needs to charge up to get there I live just off of 187th and close to T.V. highway. Paul ----__JNP_000_28cb.7c67.68dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
 
The upcoming event are:
 
Saturday=20 June 19th: St. Helens River City parade.=20

Also regarding the St. Helens River City = parade=20 will be on June 19th, I don't have a time as yet. As of right now there = will not=20 be a static display afterward due to a lack of volunteers willing to step=20 forward and take charge.

<= FONT=20 size=3D3> 

<= FONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Anyone wanting to participate in the St. = Helens=20 parade on Saturday,

<= FONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>June 19, should send for a registration = form=20 from

<= SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> 

<= FONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>River City Days Parade

<= FONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>KIWANIS Club of St. Helens

<= FONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>P O Box 295

<= FONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>St. Helens, OR. 97051

<= SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> 

<= FONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Or call, Fergus Pilon

<= FONT=20 size=3D3>        = ;     =20 Parade Chairman

<= FONT=20 size=3D3>        = ;     =20 503-397-2929

<= SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> 

<= FONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Entries will be required to have = liability=20 insurance.

<= SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> 

If charging is required 120 Volts is = available at=20 my home and I can probably rig up some 240 Volts if needed. Just let me=20 know.

 

Saturday=20 July 3th: Hillsboro=20 Rotary Club's 4th of July Parade

           <= SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I need description of vehicles so I can send = in=20 preregister.  A small group of 6 vehicles can be for=20        =20        =20        =20        =20        =20           =20 one  entry.  I would like to get enough for = large=20 group this year!  Let show others that we can be independent of oil = and=20        =20           =20 use local electricity.  If = anyone needs=20 to charge up to get there I live just off of 187th and close to T.V.=20 highway.

Paul

----__JNP_000_28cb.7c67.68dd-- ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From barnes.rick@comcast.net Wed Jun 2 19:45:21 2004 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i532jLjZ064439 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004060302373501400npgmge>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:37:35 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: "'Paul A Burkey'" , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Upcoming Events Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:37:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c44913$bccf1230$6700a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C448D9.10703A30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040601.154517.2548.3.paburkey@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 02:45:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C448D9.10703A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul: =20 I can make the Hillsboro parade. 1986 Chevy Sprint (Cloud conversion) =20 I can also offer charging, I live 1 mile north of Paul on Vista St. = (240V 50amp 14-50, also several 120V 20A) =20 Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Paul A Burkey Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:45 PM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Upcoming Events Hi All, =20 The upcoming event are: =20 Saturday June 19th: St. Helens River City parade.=20 Also regarding the St. Helens River City parade will be on June 19th, I don't have a time as yet. As of right now there will not be a static = display afterward due to a lack of volunteers willing to step forward and take charge. =20 Anyone wanting to participate in the St. Helens parade on Saturday,=20 June 19, should send for a registration form from =20 River City Days Parade KIWANIS Club of St. Helens P O Box 295 St. Helens, OR. 97051 =20 Or call, Fergus Pilon Parade Chairman 503-397-2929 =20 Entries will be required to have liability insurance. =20 If charging is required 120 Volts is available at my home and I can = probably rig up some 240 Volts if needed. Just let me know. =20 Saturday July 3th: Hillsboro Rotary Club's 4th of July Parade I need description of vehicles so I can send in preregister. = A small group of 6 vehicles can be for one entry. I would like to get enough for large group this year! Let = show others that we can be independent of oil and use = local electricity. If anyone needs to charge up to get there I live just off = of 187th and close to T.V. highway. Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C448D9.10703A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Paul:
 
I can=20 make the Hillsboro parade. 1986 Chevy Sprint (Cloud=20 conversion)
 
I can=20 also offer charging, I live 1 mile north of Paul on Vista St. (240V = 50amp 14-50,=20 also several 120V 20A)
 
Rick=20 Barnes
Aloha,=20 OR
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On = Behalf Of=20 Paul A Burkey
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:45 = PM
To:=20 oeva-list@oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] Upcoming=20 Events

Hi All,
 
The upcoming event are:
 
Saturday=20 June 19th: St. Helens River City parade.=20

Also regarding the St. Helens River = City parade=20 will be on June 19th, I don't have a time as yet. As of right now = there will=20 not be a static display afterward due to a lack of volunteers willing = to step=20 forward and take charge.

 

Anyone wanting to participate in the = St. Helens=20 parade on Saturday,

June 19, should send for a = registration form=20 from

 

River City Days Parade

KIWANIS Club of St. = Helens

P O Box 295

St. Helens, OR. 97051

 

Or call, Fergus Pilon

           &n= bsp; =20 Parade Chairman

           &n= bsp; =20 503-397-2929

 

Entries will be required to have = liability=20 insurance.

 

If charging is required 120 Volts is = available=20 at my home and I can probably rig up some 240 Volts if needed. Just = let me=20 know.

 

Saturday=20 July 3th: Hillsboro=20 Rotary Club's 4th of July Parade

          = I need description of vehicles so I can = send in=20 preregister.  A small group of 6 vehicles can be for=20        =20        =20        =20        =20        =20           =20 one  entry.  I would like to get enough = for=20 large group this year!  Let show others that we can be = independent of oil=20 and        =20           =20 use local electricity.  If = anyone=20 needs to charge up to get there I live just off of 187th and close to = T.V.=20 highway.

Paul

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C448D9.10703A30-- From roylemeur@hotmail.com Sat Jun 5 14:53:23 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (bay18-f94.bay18.hotmail.com [65.54.187.144]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i55LrNjZ018803 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roylemeur@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:36:03 -0700 Received: from 66.109.193.222 by by18fd.bay18.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:36:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.109.193.222] X-Originating-Email: [roylemeur@hotmail.com] X-Sender: roylemeur@hotmail.com From: "Roy LeMeur" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 14:36:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2004 21:36:03.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[19F72370:01C44B45] Subject: [Oeva-list] New EV Group Forming in South Puget Sound X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 21:53:23 -0000 Hello All A new electric vehicle and alternative energy group is forming in the south Puget Sound area. The folks organizing this group include myself, Graeme Sackrison the former major of Lacey and originator of the Lacey Alternative Fuel Fair and Electrathon Grand Prix, and local educators involved in EVs and high school electrathon racing. We would like to get as many interested folks to attend as possible. The intent is to provide a local forum to promote interest and provide educational resources for people interested in these areas. We hope to organize EVents, workshops, create a web presence, and establish a permanent group in the south Puget Sound The first meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, 6/9/04 at 7:00 PM in the Community Room at Lacey City Hall 420 College St SE, Lacey, WA. From the I-5, take the College Street exit and go 3 blocks south, city hall is on the left, lots of signs. All are welcome. C’mon down! Please email me if you would like to be notified of future meetings and events. roylemeur@hotmail.com Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA My Electric Vehicle Pages: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html Informative Electric Vehicle Links: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html _________________________________________________________________ Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/ From ejts@comcast.net Mon Jun 7 16:02:54 2004 Received: from staff.webbox.com ([207.183.234.76]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i57N2sjZ013487 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:02:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69] by staff.webbox.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A44761800B4; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:03:35 -0700 Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A384B19C0070; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:00:20 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <070604159.57620@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:01:33 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting this Thursday X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:02:54 -0000 Join us for the June OEVA meeting this Thursday, June 10th. The plaza will be available from 7:00PM to show electric and hybrid vehicles and the meeting will start at 7:30PM. All at 2 World Trade Center at the corner of SW 1st and Salmon in Portland, OR. The main focus of this meeting will be our next EV Awareness Day. Hopefully, we will have the go-ahead for Pioneer Courthouse Square August 21st so we can get things rolling. If there's any doubt about getting the square, we'll have to settle on another venue so we can let the world know. Time is of the essence. Time is also running out to get on Portland State University Radio this month. We'll see if we can stir up enough interest for either the 17th or 24th, the only two times left. As fas as I know, nothing has been set up for this. The show is one hour at 7:00PM on Thursdays and there was interest in getting a panel of about 6 of us to discuss EVs with the host this month. We need to see if we want to try to make this happen. Also, we'll have a little time for project updates and general EV interest, hopefully to include some news on last weekend's VEVA show. This is just to remind all to drop by and share what they'be been working on or learn the same from those that have. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From dbsalzman@columbia-center.org Tue Jun 8 09:12:06 2004 Received: from colcenter.org (a.colcenter.org [198.69.102.240]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i58GC5ja023846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:12:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbsalzman@columbia-center.org) Received: from columbia-center.org ([198.69.103.115]) by columbia-center.org (colcenter.org [198.69.102.9]) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.4.R) with ESMTP id 49-md50000000010.tmp for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:55:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:00:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: DAVE SALZMAN To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <08CC149B-B965-11D8-90B3-000A27D968E0@columbia-center.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-Spam-Processed: colcenter.org, Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:55:58 -0700 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 198.69.103.115 X-Return-Path: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] re:St Helens & Hillsboro X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:12:07 -0000 Paul, The parade in St Helens starts at noon. They want entries there b/4 11:00 AM to be assigned a place and be judged. The assembly area will be at Columbia Blvd. and Hiway 30 at the Emmert Chevrolet dealership used car lot on the north side of Columbia Blvd. just east of hiway 30. I can provide 120v 20 amp charging and if I know in time I can rig up a 240v 50amp outlet. Let me know what style 240 plug you use. I will also be at the Hillsboro parade with my 92 Geo. 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Some assembly required Batteries not included What you get: 1989 VW Fox 2 door Station Wagon Advanced DC 8" series wound motor 203-06-4001 VW adapter & mounting clamp for above Curtis PMC 1221 Controller w/finned heat sink Curtis PB6 Throttle Controller w/microswitch 200 amp main disconnect Albright main contactor Ammeter Shunt Voltmeter & Ammeter Cruising Controls E-Meter w/PC hookup Sevcon 128/12 DC to DC converter Tach Drive K & W BC-20 on board charger w/ booster for 120V system Manuals for all of the above including the Fox I expect that everything works. I bought it all used and the only thing that I tested at all was the motor which spins on 12 volts. I do not have any first hand knowledge of the parts history so no guarantees. I bought the electrical components on eBay in February of 2002 with the intention of converting my beloved Fox wagon. It was something of an impulse purchase. 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Contact: Mark at sitdownbike@yahoo.com Posted by Tony McCormick From ejts@comcast.net Thu Jun 17 09:15:17 2004 Received: from staff.webbox.com (76.234.quiknet.com [207.183.234.76]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i5HGFGVb056775 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:15:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69] by staff.webbox.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A41C522301C6; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:17:32 -0700 Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A377415C0132; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:14:47 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <170604169.33287@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:15:11 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] No radio appearance X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:15:17 -0000 Since only two of us were available for a PSU radio panel discussion of DVs, and since I've not received a reply to an email to the PSU contact person, I've given up on trying to put this together. Be it officially declared that OEVA will not be involved with the PSU radio show. -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From paburkey@juno.com Tue Jun 29 17:19:21 2004 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i5U0JKVb072513 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:19:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBJ5lPTit6H8irE39+V2xWmCpo/fhXy6zOA== Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JZB5QWJK; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:18:34 PDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:11:11 -0700 Message-ID: <20040629.171741.1892.19.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_3ea2.6c12.45f4 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-8,17-25,28-29,36-39,42-32767 From: Paul A Burkey Subject: [Oeva-list] Hillsboro Rotary 4th of July Parade on Saturday, July 3, 2004 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:19:21 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_3ea2.6c12.45f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, Gary Graunke suggest that we meet at his house at 362 NE Hillwood Drive and go to the staging area at the Peter Boscow Elmentery School as a group. The school opens for the parade at 6:00 a.A.M.nd registration begins by 6:30 with everyone must register by 8:00 A.M. so meet at Gary's between 6:00 A.M. and 6:30 A.M. depending on how long you need to charge. Gary be glad to offer charging for anyone before or after the parade. This is new for this year that the parade will end at the Cornell and Grant were we can go back to Gary's house. These are the one's that said that they would attend: Paul Burkey Corbin Sparrow Erik 1992 S10 and trailer with elec-trak lawn mower. Robert Schiavone Gizmo EV Gary Graunke Insight Rick Barnes 1986 Chevy Sprint (Cloud conversion) Dave SALZMAN 92 Geo I did not get a clear acknowledgement about Paul Wallace, Greg Koffel, but put in the application I added that three more vehicles could be attending. The Hillsboro Police Gismo, and Gem electric vehicles will be in the parade, but not with us. This took a while to confirm so I did not get the registration in until the last week so we will probability we will be at the end of the parade so we will start in the parade around noon. I have brought water, something to snack on sun screen etc, because of the wait to start. They will provide coffee, soft drinks and pastries in the morning. Paul P.S. This Wednesday Channel 7 the discovery channel from 8-9 PM Sucking Amps will be showing. I think it not new, but if you have not seen it now is another chance. ----__JNP_000_3ea2.6c12.45f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From alan@agora.rdrop.com Tue Jun 29 18:28:11 2004 Received: from agora.rdrop.com (202@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i5U1SAVc087095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:28:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from alan@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.9/Submit) id i5U1SAsU087093 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:28:10 -0700 From: Alan Batie To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-ID: <20040630012810.GC85790@agora.rdrop.com> References: <20040629.171741.1892.19.paburkey@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040629.171741.1892.19.paburkey@juno.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: [Oeva-list] DaVinci Days X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:28:11 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Speaking of parades and things, the annual DaVinci Days in Corvallis is in two weeks (16-18th). 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The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts. -Edmund Burke, statesman and writer (1729-1797) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBQOIXKov4wNua7QglAQEvawP+Letg+MkUYq2HPaIolwziV3ZMfKHG4xSp bIHnxjUv/m4YHgxKfQznORc/bjtgMOI9yHBSMJMHXLmkdY1N7v4PkhNWdLtQXLf7 4GDChMeU5fU2mQwr+8HaYOLuDVwXGy8V3iM/E5iuo4li7iX1My7hpw0GAU/dksjg BKgUhawuSPk= =Rqvi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From barnes.rick@comcast.net Wed Jun 30 05:18:27 2004 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i5UCIRVb006927 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:18:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040630121311011001qau4e>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:13:15 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: "'Paul A Burkey'" , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Hillsboro Rotary 4th of July Parade on Saturday, July 3, 2004 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:13:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c45e9b$a73d22c0$6700a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C45E60.FADE4AC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <20040629.171741.1892.19.paburkey@juno.com> Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:18:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C45E60.FADE4AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul: =20 I fried a motor brush yesterday. I do not think I can have my car = repaired in time for the parade. =20 Rick Barnes 1986 Chevy Sprint (Cloud conversion) -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Paul A Burkey Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:11 PM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Hillsboro Rotary 4th of July Parade on Saturday, = July 3, 2004 All, =20 Gary Graunke suggest that we meet at his house at 362 NE Hillwood Drive = and go to the staging area at the Peter Boscow Elmentery School as a group. = The school opens for the parade at 6:00 a.A.M.nd registration begins by 6:30 with everyone must register by 8:00 A.M. so meet at Gary's between 6:00 = A.M. and 6:30 A.M. depending on how long you need to charge. Gary be glad to offer charging for anyone before or after the parade. This is new for = this year that the parade will end at the Cornell and Grant were we can go = back to Gary's house. These are the one's that said that they would attend:=20 =20 Paul Burkey Corbin Sparrow Erik 1992 S10 and trailer with elec-trak lawn mower. Robert Schiavone Gizmo EV Gary Graunke Insight Rick Barnes 1986 Chevy Sprint (Cloud conversion) Dave SALZMAN 92 Geo =20 I did not get a clear acknowledgement about Paul Wallace, Greg Koffel, = but put in the application I added that three more vehicles could be = attending. =20 The Hillsboro Police Gismo, and Gem electric vehicles will be in the = parade, but not with us. This took a while to confirm so I did not get the registration in until the last week so we will probability we will be at = the end of the parade so we will start in the parade around noon. I have brought water, something to snack on sun screen etc, because of the wait = to start. They will provide coffee, soft drinks and pastries in the = morning. =20 Paul =20 P.S. This Wednesday Channel 7 the discovery channel from 8-9 PM Sucking = Amps will be showing. I think it not new, but if you have not seen it now is another chance. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C45E60.FADE4AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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I=20 fried a motor brush yesterday. I do not think I can have my car repaired = in time=20 for the parade.
 
Rick Barnes 1986 = Chevy Sprint=20 (Cloud conversion)
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From:=20 oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On = Behalf Of=20 Paul A Burkey
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:11 = PM
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Subject: [Oeva-list] Hillsboro Rotary 4th = of July=20 Parade on Saturday, July 3, 2004

All,
 
Gary Graunke suggest that we meet at his house at 362 NE Hillwood = Drive=20 and go to the staging area at the Peter Boscow Elmentery School as a = group.=20 The school opens for the parade at 6:00 a.A.M.nd registration begins = by 6:30=20 with everyone must register by 8:00 A.M. so meet at Gary's between = 6:00 A.M.=20 and 6:30 A.M. depending on how long you need to=20 charge. Gary be glad to offer charging for anyone before or = after=20 the parade.  This is new for this year that the parade will end = at the=20 Cornell and Grant were we can go back to Gary's house.  These are = the=20 one's that said that they would attend:
 

           &n= bsp;Paul=20 Burkey Corbin Sparrow

Erik 1992=20 S10 and trailer with elec-trak lawn mower.

Robert=20 Schiavone Gizmo EV

Gary Graunke = Insight

Rick Barnes 1986 = Chevy Sprint=20 (Cloud conversion)

Dave SALZMAN 92=20 Geo

 
I did not get a clear=20 acknowledgement about Paul Wallace, Greg Koffel, but put in the=20 application I added that three more vehicles could be=20 attending.
 
The=20 Hillsboro Police Gismo, and Gem electric vehicles will be in the = parade, but=20 not with us.  This took a while to confirm so I did not get the=20 registration in until the last week so we will probability we will be = at the=20 end of the parade so we will start in the parade around noon.  I = have=20 brought water, something to snack on sun screen etc, because of the = wait to=20 start.  They will provide coffee, soft drinks and pastries in the = morning.
 
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P.S.=20 This Wednesday Channel 7 the discovery channel from 8-9 PM Sucking = Amps will=20 be showing.  I think it not new, but if you have not seen it now = is=20 another chance.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C45E60.FADE4AC0-- From barnes.rick@comcast.net Wed Jun 30 17:01:24 2004 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i6101NVb073896 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004070100011701100j5egee>; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 00:01:17 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:01:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c45efe$91437d80$6700a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C45EC3.E4E4A580" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: High X-Message-Flag: Follow up Subject: [Oeva-list] Brushes Available? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 00:01:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C45EC3.E4E4A580 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C45EC3.E4E62C20" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C45EC3.E4E62C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody have a set of brushes for a Prestolite MTC 4001? I wanted to try to repair my motor before the Hillsboro parade Sat.... My brushes have a number stamped on them: MGP12H, also 7AA. I can get by with 4 of them, 8 would be ideal. Thanks, Rick Barnes Aloha, OR ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C45EC3.E4E62C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Does = anybody have a=20 set of brushes for a Prestolite MTC 4001? I wanted to try to repair my = motor=20 before the Hillsboro parade Sat....
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3, 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:45:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c45f71$bc0d06d0$b000020a@fmitrucks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C45F37.0FB75690" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20040629.171741.1892.19.paburkey@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: erick@fmitrucks.com List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:58:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C45F37.0FB75690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul... I too will be unable to attend due to some unforeseen kid issues. Hope it goes well. Eric K. 1992 S10 All, Gary Graunke suggest that we meet at his house at 362 NE Hillwood Drive and go to the staging area at the Peter Boscow Elmentery School as a group. The school opens for the parade at 6:00 a.A.M.nd registration begins by 6:30 with everyone must register by 8:00 A.M. so meet at Gary's between 6:00 A.M. and 6:30 A.M. depending on how long you need to charge. Gary be glad to offer charging for anyone before or after the parade. This is new for this year that the parade will end at the Cornell and Grant were we can go back to Gary's house. These are the one's that said that they would attend: Paul Burkey Corbin Sparrow Erik 1992 S10 and trailer with elec-trak lawn mower. Robert Schiavone Gizmo EV Gary Graunke Insight Rick Barnes 1986 Chevy Sprint (Cloud conversion) Dave SALZMAN 92 Geo ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C45F37.0FB75690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Paul... I too will be unable to = attend due to=20 some unforeseen kid issues.  Hope it goes=20 well.
Eric  K.   1992=20 S10 
All,
 
Gary Graunke suggest that we meet at his house at 362 NE Hillwood = Drive=20 and go to the staging area at the Peter Boscow Elmentery School as a = group.=20 The school opens for the parade at 6:00 a.A.M.nd registration begins = by 6:30=20 with everyone must register by 8:00 A.M. so meet at Gary's between = 6:00 A.M.=20 and 6:30 A.M. depending on how long you need to=20 charge. Gary be glad to offer charging for anyone before or = after=20 the parade.  This is new for this year that the parade will end = at the=20 Cornell and Grant were we can go back to Gary's house.  These are = the=20 one's that said that they would attend:
 

           &n= bsp;Paul=20 Burkey Corbin Sparrow

Erik 1992=20 S10 and trailer with elec-trak lawn mower.

Robert=20 Schiavone Gizmo EV

Gary Graunke = Insight

Rick Barnes 1986 = Chevy Sprint=20 (Cloud conversion)

Dave SALZMAN 92=20 Geo

 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C45F37.0FB75690-- From noise.nong@verizon.net Thu Jul 1 18:56:25 2004 Received: from out014.verizon.net (out014pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.46]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i621uOVb016706 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:56:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noise.nong@verizon.net) Received: from workstation ([4.5.120.239]) by out014.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040702014426.YPPA24784.out014.verizon.net@workstation> for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:44:26 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c45fd6$1ad95fb0$6401a8c0@workstation> From: "Rob the Wop" To: References: <001101c45f71$bc0d06d0$b000020a@fmitrucks.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Hillsboro Rotary 4th of July Parade on Saturday, July 3, 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:44:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C45F9B.6E04BB70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [4.5.120.239] at Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:44:26 -0500 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 01:56:25 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C45F9B.6E04BB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I live close by- so charging is not an issue, but 6:00 is insanely early = to meet. Not on a weekend. I'll head on over to the Elementary around 7amish. I'll have my outfit = and Gizmo.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric Kobbe=20 To: oeva-list@oeva.org=20 Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:45 AM Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Hillsboro Rotary 4th of July Parade on = Saturday,July 3, 2004 Paul... I too will be unable to attend due to some unforeseen kid = issues. Hope it goes well. Eric K. 1992 S10=20 All, Gary Graunke suggest that we meet at his house at 362 NE Hillwood = Drive and go to the staging area at the Peter Boscow Elmentery School as = a group. The school opens for the parade at 6:00 a.A.M.nd registration = begins by 6:30 with everyone must register by 8:00 A.M. so meet at = Gary's between 6:00 A.M. and 6:30 A.M. depending on how long you need to = charge. Gary be glad to offer charging for anyone before or after the = parade. This is new for this year that the parade will end at the = Cornell and Grant were we can go back to Gary's house. These are the = one's that said that they would attend:=20 Paul Burkey Corbin Sparrow Erik 1992 S10 and trailer with elec-trak lawn mower. Robert Schiavone Gizmo EV Gary Graunke Insight Rick Barnes 1986 Chevy Sprint (Cloud conversion) Dave SALZMAN 92 Geo -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C45F9B.6E04BB70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I live close by- so charging is not an = issue, but=20 6:00 is insanely early to meet. Not on a weekend.
I'll head on over to the Elementary = around 7amish.=20 I'll have my outfit and Gizmo.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Eric Kobbe=20
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 = 6:45=20 AM
Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] = Hillsboro Rotary=20 4th of July Parade on Saturday,July 3, 2004

 
Paul... I too will be unable to = attend due to=20 some unforeseen kid issues.  Hope it goes=20 well.
Eric  K.   1992=20 S10 
All,
 
Gary Graunke suggest that we meet at his house at 362 NE = Hillwood Drive=20 and go to the staging area at the Peter Boscow Elmentery School as a = group.=20 The school opens for the parade at 6:00 a.A.M.nd registration begins = by 6:30=20 with everyone must register by 8:00 A.M. so meet at Gary's between = 6:00 A.M.=20 and 6:30 A.M. depending on how long you need to=20 charge. Gary be glad to offer charging for anyone before = or after=20 the parade.  This is new for this year that the parade will end = at the=20 Cornell and Grant were we can go back to Gary's house.  These = are the=20 one's that said that they would attend:
 

           &n= bsp;Paul=20 Burkey Corbin Sparrow

Erik 1992=20 S10 and trailer with elec-trak lawn mower.

Robert=20 Schiavone Gizmo EV

Gary Graunke = Insight

Rick Barnes 1986 = Chevy=20 Sprint (Cloud conversion)

Dave SALZMAN=20 92 Geo

 
 

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------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C45F9B.6E04BB70-- From MarkSFreidberg@aol.com Sat Jul 3 14:29:39 2004 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i63LTdVb033212 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:29:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MarkSFreidberg@aol.com) Received: from MarkSFreidberg@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.127.44d49da1 (4004) for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:24:18 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkSFreidberg@aol.com Message-ID: <127.44d49da1.2e187e02@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:24:18 EDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088889858" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 Subject: [Oeva-list] Electra Deluxe Scooter @ Schucks auto supply X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:29:40 -0000 -------------------------------1088889858 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Has anyone had a go at the Electra Deluxe Electric Scooter available at Schuck's Auto Supply for $399? http://www.schucks.com/ I had a pretty close look at one model on display. From what i could see it looked pretty good for the price and intended use. Unfortunately, there is no "try before you buy" and the return policy was said to only apply for mechanical problems, not other dissatisfactions. Mark -------------------------------1088889858 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
Has anyone had a go at the Electra Deluxe Electric Scooter available at= Schuck's Auto Supply for $399?
 
 
I had a pretty close look at one model on display. From what i could se= e it looked pretty good for the price and intended use. Unfortunately, there= is no "try before you buy" and the return policy was said to only apply for= mechanical problems, not other dissatisfactions. 
 
Mark
 
 
 
 
 
 
-------------------------------1088889858-- From ejts@comcast.net Mon Jul 5 11:18:29 2004 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i65IITVb088269 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.112 ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004070518121901300jd6p5e>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:12:19 +0000 Received: from [67.160.139.203] by 204.127.197.112; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:12:17 +0000 From: ejts@comcast.net To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:12:17 +0000 Message-Id: <070520041812.2107.40E99A01000CBE3C0000083B22007507449C9B060A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 24 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWp0c0Bjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2107_1089051137_0" Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting this week X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:18:29 -0000 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2107_1089051137_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, all. Our next meeting will be this Thursday, July 8th at the usual time and place. Two World Trade Center at the corner of SW 1st and Salmon in downtown Portland. Start gathering to show vehicles and socialize at abuot 7:00PM. The meeting will start at 7:30PM. Brad will have good news about the EV Awareness Day planned for August 21st at Pioneer Courthouse Square. We'll need to firm up responsibilites for various support functions for EV Awareness Day. Please be ready to lend a hand so we can fully take advantage of this great venue. If you don't want to wait until Thursday, contact Gary with offers or suggestions. See you all this Thursday! --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2107_1089051137_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello, all.

Our next meeting will be this Thursday, July 8th at the usual time and place.  Two World Trade Center at the corner of SW 1st and Salmon in downtown Portland.  Start gathering to show vehicles and socialize at abuot 7:00PM.  The meeting will start at 7:30PM.

Brad will have good news about the EV Awareness Day planned for August 21st at Pioneer Courthouse Square.

We'll need to firm up responsibilites for various support functions for EV Awareness Day.  Please be ready to lend a hand so we can fully take advantage of this great venue.  If you don't want to wait until Thursday, contact Gary with offers or suggestions.

See you all this Thursday!


 

 
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2107_1089051137_0-- From paburkey@juno.com Mon Jul 12 21:11:55 2004 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i6D4BsVb099002 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:11:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBCGzQ+DPwWdRa1E6hq1EQJlohyIy2tQNwg== Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J2DZ8JE5; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:11:22 PDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:09:40 -0700 Message-ID: <20040712.211015.1668.1.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-7,11-12 From: Paul A Burkey Subject: [Oeva-list] Sherwood robin hood festival parade. X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:11:55 -0000 Hi, At the 4th of July parade there was a group from Sherwood robin hood festival and they have a parade this Saturday July 17. The web link is below. http://www.geocities.com/robinhoodfestival/ I am considering going. You can register with forms on-line or on parade day. I have not checked about charging from the people organizing the parade, but I know someone that knows people in Sherwood were charging could be arranged if someone at the parade did not provide some. Paul From gary.graunke@intel.com Thu Jul 15 10:37:03 2004 Received: from orsfmr001.jf.intel.com (fmr12.intel.com [134.134.136.15]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i6FHb3Vb058851 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:37:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from talaria.jf.intel.com (talaria.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.7]) by orsfmr001.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-outer.mc, v 1.15 2004/01/30 18:16:28 root Exp $) with ESMTP id i6F9Pq86020167 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:26:04 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by talaria.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-inner.mc, v 1.10 2004/03/01 19:21:36 root Exp $) with SMTP id i6FGLQib006541 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:21:41 GMT Received: from orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.56]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004071509251226848 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:25:12 -0700 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:25:11 -0700 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:25:10 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EV awareness day planning meetings Thread-Index: AcRqiEyxU65OhvWGTSa215UUi8Z1fA== From: "Graunke, Gary" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2004 16:25:11.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D4DB010:01C46A88] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id i6FHb3Vb058851 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV awareness day planning meetings X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:37:03 -0000 We'll be meeting on Thursday evenings (other than our regular OEVA meeting nights) at 7pm to plan for EV Awareness Day at Pioneer Square Aug 21. The meeting location is Crazy Legs, Inc 1818 NW 23rd Place Portland There is plenty to do, so any and all help is appreciated. Come make this EV Awareness day a new tradition in this new venue! Gary From acid_lead@yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 08:39:59 2004 Received: from web14801.mail.yahoo.com (web14801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.217]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i6KFdxVb045744 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acid_lead@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040720153958.67841.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.190.88.118] by web14801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:39:58 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:39:58 -0700 (PDT) From: George Tylinski To: oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: <20040630012810.GC85790@agora.rdrop.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: gcrimmins@yahoo.com Subject: [Oeva-list] For Sale: Kostov motor in Hyundai shipping container X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:39:59 -0000 Hi - I'm forwarding this as a favor to Geoff Crimmins, please reply directly to him. I recently bought some EV gear from him via the EV Tradin' Post, and the transaction went very well. >>> In case you hear of anyone looking for one, I wanted to let you know that I'm also selling a Kostov 10.75-inch motor, which is currently mounted in a 4-door 1989 Hyundai Excell. I would sell them together or seperately. It's such a hassle and expense to ship a motor, I just wanted to pass that along since Portland is within driving distance of Moscow. best regards, Geoff Crimmins gcrimmins@yahoo.com >>> That's Moscow *IDAHO* you silly fools! ===== George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) 73 MG Midget / Portland, OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Sat Jul 31 09:59:50 2004 Received: from fr5.webmaillogin.com (fr5.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i6VGxnVb057535 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [207.225.93.2] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO ICEARROW) by fr5.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 7768936 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:56:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c47716$fab22020$0200a8c0@ICEARROW> From: "CopperLion" To: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:56:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C476DC.4D8FD110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: Tech Fest in November X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:59:50 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C476DC.4D8FD110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey everyone- I wanted to possibly get more exposure for the EV Awareness day, as well = as get some preliminary details about Tech Fest at ITT Technical = Institute. Mary Packard, my contact person at ITT would be happy to put = up some posters and flyers to get some folks to EV Awareness day. The = dates for Tech Fest have been moved to October 27 and 28, so it's no = longer a week-long event and it will be easier to get vehicles and such = there. We have some time before Tech Fest, so we can really concentrate = on EV Awareness day without sacrificing anything. Do we have flyers or informational posters ready to go out yet? -Kevin Kuehne-Seeber ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mary Packard at 033=20 To: 'CopperLion'=20 Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:57 PM Subject: RE: Tech Fest in November Kevin - WOW I really appreciate your thinking of Tech Fest. Right now, = we're targeting a Halloween theme for Oct 27 and 28th. Any = participation would be absolutely great - "booth" for OEVA with = literature, cars anything you want would be very welcome. Do you have a = poster for OEVA or something I can print and post - would love to do = that for the Aug 21 event. =20 THanks very much for thinking about TechFest - you've started some ideas = rolling.=20 Mary -----Original Message----- From: CopperLion [mailto:copperlion@copperlionslair.com] Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:09 AM To: mpackard@itt-tech.edu Subject: Tech Fest in November Mary Packard, I recently became a full member of the OEVA (Oregon Electric Vehicle = Association), and have offered to be their liason for Tech Fest. I was = wondering if there was any specific information we need to know for the = event, so we can start preparing for it.=20 The OEVA is currently busy planning "EV Awareness Day" for Saturday, = August 21st, at Pioneer Courthouse Square. We will have electric = vehicles and owners from as far away as Seattle, southern California, = and Arizona. We will have commercials on TV and radio beginning in the = next couple of weeks, and KPSU (AM 1450) has offered to do some radio = spots for us. If you would like to spread the word at ITT for us, it = would be greatly appreciated. As soon as the EV Awareness Day is finished, we would like to prepare = for the next big event, though Tech Fest and one other between them will = probably not rival EV Awareness in scope for the electric vehicles. I = would be happy to help in whatever way that I can to get things rolling = on this. Thank You, -Kevin Kuehne-Seeber ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C476DC.4D8FD110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey everyone-
I wanted to possibly get more exposure = for the EV=20 Awareness day, as well as get some preliminary details about Tech Fest = at ITT=20 Technical Institute. Mary Packard, my contact person at ITT would be = happy to=20 put up some posters and flyers to get some folks to EV Awareness day. = The dates=20 for Tech Fest have been moved to October 27 and 28, so it's no longer a=20 week-long event and it will be easier to get vehicles and such there. We = have=20 some time before Tech Fest, so we can really concentrate on EV Awareness = day=20 without sacrificing anything.
Do we have flyers or informational = posters ready to=20 go out yet?
 
-Kevin Kuehne-Seeber
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mary = Packard at=20 033
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Tech Fest in November

Kevin=20 - WOW  I really appreciate your thinking of Tech Fest.  Right = now,=20 we're targeting a Halloween theme for Oct 27 and 28th.  Any = participation=20 would be absolutely great - "booth" for OEVA with literature, cars = anything you=20 want would be very welcome.  Do you have a poster for OEVA or = something I=20 can print and post - would love to do that for the Aug 21 event. =20
 
THanks=20 very much for thinking about TechFest - you've started some ideas = rolling.=20
 
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: CopperLion=20 [mailto:copperlion@copperlionslair.com]
Sent: Friday, July = 30, 2004=20 9:09 AM
To: mpackard@itt-tech.edu
Subject: Tech = Fest in=20 November

Mary Packard,
I recently became a full member of = the OEVA=20 (Oregon Electric Vehicle Association), and have offered to be their = liason for=20 Tech Fest. I was wondering if there was any specific information we = need to=20 know for the event, so we can start preparing for it.
 
The OEVA is currently busy planning = "EV Awareness=20 Day" for Saturday, August 21st, at Pioneer Courthouse Square. We will = have=20 electric vehicles and owners from as far away as Seattle, southern = California,=20 and Arizona. We will have commercials on TV and radio beginning in the = next=20 couple of weeks, and KPSU (AM 1450) has offered to do some radio spots = for us.=20 If you would like to spread the word at ITT for us, it would be = greatly=20 appreciated.
 
As soon as the EV Awareness Day is = finished, we=20 would like to prepare for the next big event, though Tech Fest and one = other=20 between them will probably not rival EV Awareness in scope for the = electric=20 vehicles. I would be happy to help in whatever way that I can to get = things=20 rolling on this.
 
Thank You,
-Kevin Kuehne-Seeber
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C476DC.4D8FD110-- From gary@whitecape.org Sat Jul 31 19:18:06 2004 Received: from stallman.i.whitecape.org (sub25-166.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.25.166]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i712I6Vb059541 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@whitecape.org) Received: from gary (gary.i.whitecape.org [192.168.0.17]) by stallman.i.whitecape.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 306FB93B58 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:56:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gary Graunke" To: Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:02:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <200407311900.i6VJ0JVb079270@agora.rdrop.com> Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Awareness Day 2004 (please RSVP if bringing a vehicle) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 02:18:07 -0000 EV Awareness day will be Saturday, August 21, from 9:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. at Pioneer Square. There is an announcement that you can print on my website: ev.whitecape.org (we'll try to get it on the oeva website asap). Please RSVP via email to me via email OR fax to Scott Kullowatz (503)827-5347 to let us know you are coming. We can then reserve an access pass for you. If we can't get it to you prior to the event, we'll be handing it to you as you arrive at the square. We can start loading in as early as 8:30 a.m., from the east side of the square. To enter, go to 6th and Yamhill and enter from the east side. During the load-in time, you can bring your trailer onto the square and unload. We have reserved a large parking lot at CNF corporation at 21st and Raleigh for trailer parking from 6am to 6pm. We can also accomodate late arrivals and early departures--we recommend getting a escort together due to large numbers of unaware pedestrians that wander through the "living room". There are 4 120V 20A circuits that we can charge from. None has a GFCI. Let me know if you have any questions, or post them to the list. You can also call me at home at 503 846 0133 or work 503 264 9249. Thanks to Brad Hippert for lots of hard work in securing this venue. He started in February, and we will be getting final permit this week! I apologize for the short notice, but we wanted to make sure there were no last minute issues this year. There were lots of complications, such as getting our insurance approved by the city legal department, but it should be much easier in the future. Gary Text of announcement: Come be part of the OEVA Awareness Day. We are proud to be exhibiting in Pioneer Square, better known as Portland's 'Living Room,' in the heart of downtown Portland, at 6th and Yamhill Streets. If you have an electric vehicle and want to participate, please RSVP by email to Gary Graunke via our website, www.oeva.org, or fax Scott Kullowatz at (503) 827-5347. There will be on-site charging. For those using trailers, we have a lot reserved for trailers with good trolley connections to the square. We can accommodate late arrivals and departures. For further information, please contact Gary Graunke via the website. From billdodds@hotmail.com Sun Aug 1 01:06:54 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f10.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i7186sVb012308 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:06:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billdodds@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 00:49:34 -0700 Received: from 24.21.163.4 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:49:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.21.163.4] X-Originating-Email: [billdodds@hotmail.com] X-Sender: billdodds@hotmail.com From: "Bill Dodds" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:49:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2004 07:49:34.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[164460C0:01C4779C] Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 08:06:54 -0000

Yo, Dudes!  How about working something in with the John Kerry Campaign effort?  John Kerry promotes reneuable energy and non-petroleum vehicles for the future of America! 

I believe that he is interested in lessening our dependance on Oil both foreign and domestic. 

 If elected I think their will be many $ incentives to those who switch, and sky's the limit to those who would be able to work in this field.  If we avoid this political bonanza, that will change the face of transportation in this country and the world, we will have to settle for Bush and Hallyburton and the rest of the oily thievs who have thrown moats in front of EV's and Clean air.

What Ya got-a say bout that?  Bill Dodds, Gresham

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>Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: Tech Fest in November
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>Hey everyone-
>I wanted to possibly get more exposure for the EV Awareness day, as well as get some preliminary details about Tech Fest at ITT Technical Institute. Mary Packard, my contact person at ITT would be happy to put up some posters and flyers to get some folks to EV Awareness day. The dates for Tech Fest have been moved to October 27 and 28, so it's no longer a week-long event and it will be easier to get vehicles and such there. We have some time before Tech Fest, so we can really concentrate on EV Awareness day without sacrificing anything.
>Do we have flyers or informational posters ready to go out yet?
>
>-Kevin Kuehne-Seeber
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>----- Original Message -----
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>Kevin - WOW  I really appreciate your thinking of Tech Fest.  Right now, we're targeting a Halloween theme for Oct 27 and 28th.  Any participation would be absolutely great - "booth" for OEVA with literature, cars anything you want would be very welcome.  Do you have a poster for OEVA or something I can print and post - would love to do that for the Aug 21 event.
>
>THanks very much for thinking about TechFest - you've started some ideas rolling.
>
>Mary
>   -----Original Message-----
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>   Mary Packard,
>   I recently became a full member of the OEVA (Oregon Electric Vehicle Association), and have offered to be their liason for Tech Fest. I was wondering if there was any specific information we need to know for the event, so we can start preparing for it.
>
>   The OEVA is currently busy planning "EV Awareness Day" for Saturday, August 21st, at Pioneer Courthouse Square. We will have electric vehicles and owners from as far away as Seattle, southern California, and Arizona. We will have commercials on TV and radio beginning in the next couple of weeks, and KPSU (AM 1450) has offered to do some radio spots for us. If you would like to spread the word at ITT for us, it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>   As soon as the EV Awareness Day is finished, we would like to prepare for the next big event, though Tech Fest and one other between them will probably not rival EV Awareness in scope for the electric vehicles. I would be happy to help in whatever way that I can to get things rolling on this.
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>   Thank You,
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From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Sun Aug 1 08:56:46 2004 Received: from fr3.webmaillogin.com (fr3.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.67]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i71FujVb000684 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [207.225.93.2] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO ICEARROW) by fr3.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 7996179 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:56:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c477e0$27ca8560$0200a8c0@ICEARROW> From: "CopperLion" To: References: Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RE: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:56:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C477A5.7A8B8690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:56:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C477A5.7A8B8690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warning: my personal opinion and political views follow. This is not = intended to incite a "flame-war" on this message board, or to induce = violence, paranoia, or political chicanery. I'm not sure I want to mix that kind of politics into the OEVA, = personally. My personal opinion of the candidates is that Bush would drive the = country further in the wrong direction when it comes to environmental = issues, social "reform", and family values. As the now-nearly-famous = Jib-Jab cartoon points out (www.jibjab.com), I feel that George Bush is = a dumbass on these issues. I think G.W. will continue to try and send = this country back to the 1950s on social issues, and I believe he will = start another war to boost his public image. John Kerry, the cartoon points out, waffles on some key issues. I doubt = he will do much better on social reform, protecting the status quo on = most social issues. He doesn't appear, to me, to be strong enough on = energy policy, and I'm afraid that when it comes to the crunch, he's = going to fold. I think his "family values" platform is just something to = use for political expediency- it will help him get elected, but he won't = stick to it when he's in office. The memebers of his own PT boat crew = from Vietnam refuse to vote for him because he's too ambitious and they = feel he will do anything to get elected without following through. Ralph Nader, in my opinion, is actually a better candidate in that he = has a conscience and a personal drive to see his platform developed into = real policy. He has a socially conscious energy policy (and has since = the 1970s), supports alternative energy for vehicles and the grid, and = he truly believes in what he's saying. He is a socially forward-thinker. = Nader wants to drive the social policy reform to catch up with the state = of actual life in America. His stance on environmental issues is so well = known that people make jokes about it. The biggest problem Ralph Nader = faces is that if he is elected, he will have no clout. His policy will = be filibustered in congress. None of his vision will be approved by the = House or the Senate, and he will be seen as a radical by some foreign = nations. Neither Congress nor many of our foreign allies will take him = seriously, and his policies will fall to the wayside. I believe that it won't matter which candidate the OEVA decides to = endorse, if any. The results will be status quo, or the reinvestment in = foreign oil. I don't see the foreign oil subsidy going away any time = soon, and I don't see any new endorsements of alternatives happening = either. That's my two cents worth- -Kevin Kuehne-Seeber ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Dodds=20 To: oeva-list@oeva.org=20 Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8 Yo, Dudes! How about working something in with the John Kerry = Campaign effort? John Kerry promotes reneuable energy and non-petroleum = vehicles for the future of America! =20 I believe that he is interested in lessening our dependance on Oil = both foreign and domestic.=20 If elected I think their will be many $ incentives to those who = switch, and sky's the limit to those who would be able to work in this = field. If we avoid this political bonanza, that will change the face of = transportation in this country and the world, we will have to settle for = Bush and Hallyburton and the rest of the oily thievs who have thrown = moats in front of EV's and Clean air. What Ya got-a say bout that? Bill Dodds, Gresham ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C477A5.7A8B8690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Warning: my personal opinion and = political views=20 follow. This is not intended to incite a "flame-war" on this message = board, or=20 to induce violence, paranoia, or political chicanery.
 
I'm not sure I want to mix that kind of = politics=20 into the OEVA, personally.
 
My personal opinion of the candidates = is that Bush=20 would drive the country further in the wrong direction when it comes to=20 environmental issues, social "reform", and family values. As the=20 now-nearly-famous Jib-Jab cartoon points out (www.jibjab.com), I feel that George = Bush is a=20 dumbass on these issues. I think G.W. will continue to try and send this = country=20 back to the 1950s on social issues, and I believe he will start another = war to=20 boost his public image.
 
John Kerry, the cartoon points out, = waffles on some=20 key issues. I doubt he will do much better on social reform, protecting = the=20 status quo on most social issues. He doesn't appear, to me, to be strong = enough=20 on energy policy, and I'm afraid that when it comes to the crunch, he's = going to=20 fold. I think his "family values" platform is just something to use for=20 political expediency- it will help him get elected, but he won't stick = to it=20 when he's in office. The memebers of his own PT boat crew from = Vietnam=20 refuse to vote for him because he's too ambitious and they feel he will = do=20 anything to get elected without following through.
 
Ralph Nader, in my opinion, is actually = a better=20 candidate in that he has a conscience and a personal drive to see his = platform=20 developed into real policy. He has a socially conscious energy policy = (and has=20 since the 1970s), supports alternative energy for vehicles and the grid, = and he=20 truly believes in what he's saying. He is a socially forward-thinker. = Nader=20 wants to drive the social policy reform to catch up with the state of = actual=20 life in America. His stance on environmental issues is so well known = that people=20 make jokes about it. The biggest problem Ralph Nader faces is that if he = is=20 elected, he will have no clout. His policy will be filibustered in=20 congress. None of his vision will be approved by the House or the = Senate, and he=20 will be seen as a radical by some foreign nations. Neither Congress nor = many of=20 our foreign allies will take him seriously, and his policies will fall = to the=20 wayside.
 
I believe that it won't matter which = candidate the=20 OEVA decides to endorse, if any. The results will be status quo, or the=20 reinvestment in foreign oil. I don't see the foreign oil subsidy going = away any=20 time soon, and I don't see any new endorsements of alternatives = happening=20 either.
 
That's my two cents worth-
-Kevin Kuehne-Seeber
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Dodds
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 = 12:49=20 AM
Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: = Oeva-list=20 Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8

Yo, Dudes!  How about working something in with the John Kerry = Campaign effort?  John Kerry promotes reneuable energy and = non-petroleum=20 vehicles for the future of America! 

I believe that he is interested in lessening our dependance on Oil = both=20 foreign and domestic. 

 If elected I think their will be many $ incentives to those = who=20 switch, and sky's the limit to those who would be able to work in this = field.  If we avoid this political bonanza, that will change the = face of=20 transportation in this country and the world, we will have to = settle for=20 Bush and Hallyburton and the rest of the oily thievs who have thrown = moats in=20 front of EV's and Clean air.

What Ya got-a say bout that?  Bill Dodds,=20 Gresham

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C477A5.7A8B8690-- From RonV92324@att.net Sun Aug 1 17:41:00 2004 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i720f0Vb002401 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:41:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RonV92324@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.63 ([204.127.135.63]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2004080200352911200ccbc4e>; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 00:35:30 +0000 Received: from [12.73.10.131] by 204.127.135.63; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:35:46 +0000 From: RonV92324@att.net To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:35:46 +0000 Message-Id: <080220040035.17653.410D8C61000E2B5E000044F52160376223CBCDCCCDC7A00201AD@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 19 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Um9uVjkyMzI0QGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17653_1091406946_0" Subject: [Oeva-list] I want to unsubscribe X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:41:00 -0000 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17653_1091406946_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please unsubscribe me from this mailing list. Thanks, Ron Vaughan --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17653_1091406946_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please unsubscribe me from this mailing list.  Thanks, Ron Vaughan --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17653_1091406946_0-- From jerry.mcintire@comcast.net Tue Aug 3 07:11:54 2004 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i73EBsVb054590 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerry.mcintire@comcast.net) Received: from [67.169.196.150] (c-67-169-196-150.client.comcast.net[67.169.196.150]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004080314064101200fs684e> (Authid: jerry.mcintire); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:06:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200408011900.i71J0IVb034806@agora.rdrop.com> References: <200408011900.i71J0IVb034806@agora.rdrop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jerry McIntire Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:09:03 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: political endorsements X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:11:56 -0000 Picking a candidate for OEVA to endorse would be an exercise in divisiveness and futility. I suggest dropping the discussion entirely. Issues are something the OEVA can *probably* agree on, as long as they have to do with electric vehicles. Jerry From billdodds@hotmail.com Tue Aug 3 19:29:44 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f27.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.27]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i742TiVb020167 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billdodds@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:29:39 -0700 Received: from 24.21.163.4 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:29:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.21.163.4] X-Originating-Email: [billdodds@hotmail.com] X-Sender: billdodds@hotmail.com From: "Bill Dodds" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:29:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2004 02:29:39.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[E43527A0:01C479CA] Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:29:44 -0000

Yea!  I thought so!  I dont mean to be divisive but if the wrong guy get's back in the white house, you ain't gonna have a country to drive yer lil lectric car around in. 

Think Ill build a lectric Tank.

The right guy needs our help!  He has embraced R.E. at every turn, other guy is heavy into Oil and won't budge!  To not, voice opinion about such an important benefactor, offered by the Kerry platform is Bawk Bawk Bawk Chicken, not to mention shortsighted.  Bill Dodds Gresham

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From mylest@teleport.com Fri Aug 6 16:49:51 2004 Received: from aftermath.mail.pas.earthlink.net (aftermath.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i76NnpVb034251 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:49:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.181]) by aftermath.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Bslrn-0006w3-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:17:23 -0700 Received: from user-2ini8ng.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.34.240] helo=laptop) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bslrl-0005w0-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:17:22 -0700 From: "Myles Twete" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:17:13 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c47b10$1094d8e0$f02279a5@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C47AD5.64378780" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Awareness Day X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: mylest@teleport.com List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:49:51 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C47AD5.64378780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received the flyer in the mail regarding the EV awareness day on Aug. 21st. I also noticed the Oregon Humane Society mentioned on it. Are they helping to sponsor the event? That's cool. Also note: RiversWest's annual Portland Wooden Boat Festival is happening the same weekend as EV Awareness Day----just across the river at the Hawthorne Bridge Fire Station dock. I expect there will be 2 electric boats present: Mine (Reach of Tide): http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/492.html Dan Pence's Ginger: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/097.html So when folks get enough of the land-based EVs, stroll over to the East Side and check out the electrics at the Esplanade. The Wooden Boat Festival runs both August 21/22 and will stretch along the Esplanade. You can also check out the old Crater Lake Tourboats under I-5 near the meet site which will be refurbished and repowered---possibly as electrics/hybrids over the next couple years or so. If all goes well, they will be redeployed as low-impact Willamette River ferryboats. -Myles Twete ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C47AD5.64378780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 received the flyer in the mail regarding the EV awareness day on Aug.=20 21st.
I also=20 noticed the Oregon Humane Society mentioned on it.
Are=20 they helping to sponsor the event?  That's = cool.
 
Also=20 note: RiversWest's annual Portland Wooden Boat Festival is happening the = same=20 weekend as EV Awareness Day----just across the river at the Hawthorne = Bridge=20 Fire Station dock.
I=20 expect there will be 2 electric boats present:
    Mine (Reach of Tide): http://www.austinev.org= /evalbum/492.html
    Dan Pence's Ginger: http://www.austinev.org= /evalbum/097.html
 
So=20 when folks get enough of the land-based EVs, stroll over to the East = Side and=20 check out the electrics at the Esplanade.
 
The=20 Wooden Boat Festival runs both August 21/22 and will stretch along the=20 Esplanade.
You=20 can also check out the old Crater Lake Tourboats under I-5 near the meet = site=20 which will be refurbished and repowered---possibly as electrics/hybrids = over the=20 next couple years or so.  If all goes well, they will be redeployed = as=20 low-impact Willamette River ferryboats.
 
-Myles=20 Twete
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C47AD5.64378780-- From rolson@gmail.com Thu Aug 26 08:27:53 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i7QFRqi7095005 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so169731rnl for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.76.76 with SMTP id y76mr2504336rna; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.162.32 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:14:28 -0700 From: Ross Olson To: Oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Potential speaker? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ross Olson List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:27:54 -0000 Begin forwarded message: > From: "Marshall V. Mapes" > > feedback: > If you have meetings and would like a speaker on synthetic > lubricants please call me. (503) 647-5486. Synthetics can > dramatically reduce friction to increase mileage and run times. > AMSOIL is the 32 year old leader in synthetics. I have been with them > for 27 years. Call for a free catalog. > Thank you! > Marshall Mapes Would anyone be interested in hearing this guy speak? Let Gary or Eric know if you have a burning desire to talk about lubricants... ... Um, let me clarify that Gary and Eric probably only want to talk about lubricants in regards to cars. ...Ross... _______________________________________________________ - -- Ross Olson, Webmaster, oeva@badseed.org - -- Oregon Electric Vehicle Association - -- http://www.oeva.org/ From pbarrett@ieee.org Thu Aug 26 09:08:30 2004 Received: from mail14d.g14.rapidsite.net (mail14d.g14.rapidsite.net [128.121.143.20]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i7QG8Ui7010346 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbarrett@ieee.org) Received: from www.barrettengineering.com (128.121.136.108) by mail14d.g14.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.94vs) with SMTP id 1-0419996109; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004501c48b83$3fb1a580$6300a8c0@qwest.net> From: "Patrick H. Barrett" To: , "Ross Olson" References: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:42:07 -0700 Organization: Barrett & Assoc. Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Cc: "SAE, Turney, James" , "SAE, Kendall, Betty" , "SAE, Woods, Greg" , "SAE, Wilkening, Jason" , "SAE, Eagan, Mike" , "SAE, Susanto, Andre" Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Potential speaker - automotive lubricants X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Patrick H. Barrett" List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:08:34 -0000 All; You may know that I encourage interaction between the Oregon Electric Vehicle Assoc. (OEVA) and the Oregon SAE (OSAE). Both are active in Portland, OR. The OSAE is always interested in topics like this one, and most of us have heard of AMSOIL. This topic and speaker might be appropriate for an OSAE Friday luncheon if it included some meaty technical info for an audience of engineers. So I am taking the liberty of forwarding this email to some of the folks in the OSAE. I would encourage the OSAE volunteer who coordinates its meetings to contact both Ross Olson (OEVA) and Mr. Mapes (apparently a dealer of AMSOIL). Rgds, Pat Barrett, PE, Member of both groups Barrett & Assoc. Engineering POB 19847, Portland, OR 97280 503-245-0325, v pbarrett@ieee.org http://www.barrettengineering.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Olson To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] Potential speaker? > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "Marshall V. Mapes" > > > > Feedback: > > If you have meetings and would like a speaker on synthetic > > lubricants please call me. (503) 647-5486. Synthetics can > > dramatically reduce friction to increase mileage and run times. > > AMSOIL is the 32 year old leader in synthetics. > > I have been with them for 27 years. > > Call for a free catalog. > > Thank you! > > Marshall Mapes > > Would anyone be interested in hearing this guy speak? Let Gary or Eric > know if you have a burning desire to talk about lubricants... > > ... Um, let me clarify that Gary and Eric probably only want to talk > about lubricants in regards to cars. > > ...Ross... > > _______________________________________________________ > - -- Ross Olson, Webmaster, oeva@badseed.org > - -- Oregon Electric Vehicle Association > - -- http://www.oeva.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From rmerwin@aracnet.com Thu Aug 26 11:15:43 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:9O+vvaKARCQvrFXF1nq2AzLf9tnGUBEs@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i7QIFei8048688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7QHtbtu008497; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:55:37 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7QHtbwa008495; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:55:37 -0700 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200408261755.i7QHtbwa008495@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Potential speaker? To: rolson@gmail.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:55:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Ross Olson" at Aug 26, 2004 08:14:28 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:15:44 -0000 Ross Olson writes: > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "Marshall V. Mapes" > > > > feedback: > > If you have meetings and would like a speaker on synthetic > > lubricants please call me. (503) 647-5486. Synthetics can > > dramatically reduce friction to increase mileage and run times. > > AMSOIL is the 32 year old leader in synthetics. I have been with them > > for 27 years. Call for a free catalog. > > Thank you! > > Marshall Mapes > > > Would anyone be interested in hearing this guy speak? Let Gary or Eric > know if you have a burning desire to talk about lubricants... Would it be a technical presentation or a sales pitch? I would be interested in hearing which vehicles this product would be suitable for use in (e.g. will it destroy transmission seals or not). If he just wants to give us a sales pitch, then I'm not interested. Ralph From mark.freidberg@netzero.net Thu Aug 26 12:46:06 2004 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i7QJk6i7077947 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail03.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.143]) by smtpout01.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAU6RBYAHAGCLA for (sender ); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:38:30 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mOJINeTfds3A7MNSMNV+lUPM9VHe1P7Cip3uaVigFLLm Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) by webmail03.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J5YYQ9B9; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:38:12 PDT Received: from [66.52.245.36] by webmail03.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:37:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.52.245.36] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.net" Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:37:50 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20040826.123812.3601.582792@webmail03.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1167032305 Subject: [Oeva-list] Battery testing facility X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:46:07 -0000 Hi OEVA EVers, I have a pair of 12V 34 ah batteries in need of testing to measure voltage at rest and under load. What's a good place to go for that? I live in S.W. Portland near Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy. and Scholls Ferry Rd., but can go elsewhere as necessary. Mark From rolson@gmail.com Sun Sep 5 09:55:21 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i85GtKaA037225 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 76so92631rnk for ; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.125.73 with SMTP id x73mr981575rnc; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.162.24 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:55:10 -0700 From: Ross Olson To: oeva-list@oeva.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Awareness Day Recap and Photos X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ross Olson List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:55:21 -0000 I've finally posted the second batch of photos from the 2004 EV Awareness Day. http://www.oeva.org/events/awareness2004/ I think we've got a good, representative sample of the day overall. Thanks to Bruce for the great recap, and thanks to everyone who put in so much work to make it happen. (I'm thinking of Gary and Brad in particular!) On to Woodburn! ...Ross... From gary@whitecape.org Mon Sep 6 20:11:17 2004 Received: from stallman.i.whitecape.org (sub25-166.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.25.166]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i873BGqd098170 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@whitecape.org) Received: from gary (gary.i.whitecape.org [192.168.0.17]) by stallman.i.whitecape.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B058C2ACE for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:53:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gary Graunke" To: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:59:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: [Oeva-list] September meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 03:11:17 -0000 The agenda for our September 9th meeting this Thursday includes: 1) Review of EV awareness day -- pictures and sound bytes (news coverage) 2) Upcoming EVents a) Belmont Street Fair 9/11 (room for only two vehicles) b) Nedra nationals at Woodburn 9/25 (volunteers needed) 3) EV Pictures from Victor's trip to Europe--Zebra batteries and more We're always interested in suggestions for future meetings. Let us know what topics you would like discussed--we'll find folks to give an overview on your favorite EV topic. Gary From roylemeur@hotmail.com Tue Sep 7 22:44:01 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (bay18-f6.bay18.hotmail.com [65.54.187.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i885hxO0011226 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roylemeur@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:26:36 -0700 Received: from 66.109.194.227 by by18fd.bay18.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:26:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.109.194.227] X-Originating-Email: [roylemeur@hotmail.com] X-Sender: roylemeur@hotmail.com From: "Roy LeMeur" To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:26:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2004 05:26:36.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[6957B380:01C49564] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:20:07 -0700 Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Woodburn 04. Ship Without a Helmsman- X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:44:02 -0000 Howdy Folks The boat appears to be adrift without Lou Tauber. Who might actually be willing and able and have the time to take the helm and steer the ship? The first ones who come to mind are— Mr. Wilde Mr. Wayland Mr. Graunke Mr. Merwin Mr. Hall Mr. True Mr. Crabtree Mr. Cloud Other? Are the gears turning behind the scenes? Is this already handled? I sorta doubt that all of it is. Hey… Let me know if I can help. I have the time available. Most of the organizers and many of the participants already know me. Crack that whip! :-) I would be happy to— -Assist with record keeping. -Assist track management -Assist with awards ceremony -Assist with awards sponsorship -Assist with tech inspection -Whup those competitors into submission :^D -Generally keep a handle on things I even suspect that I could ride herd on the entire dog and pony show if I was walked through it by someone who has been there and done that… Time is short though, it would have to be a quick learning curve :^o Hey Folks… Let me know if I can be of assistance. Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries- http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm My Electric Vehicle Pages: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html Informative Electric Vehicle Links: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From roylemeur@hotmail.com Thu Sep 9 10:37:43 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (bay18-f27.bay18.hotmail.com [65.54.187.77]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i89Hbh0G029969 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roylemeur@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:28:22 -0700 Received: from 64.40.54.31 by by18fd.bay18.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:28:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.40.54.31] X-Originating-Email: [roylemeur@hotmail.com] X-Sender: roylemeur@hotmail.com From: "Roy LeMeur" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:28:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2004 17:28:22.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[67A84890:01C49692] Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA Volunteers Needed for Woodburn X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:37:44 -0000 Howdy Folks I won't be able to make the OEVA meeting tonight, was hoping that the folks there can organize/volunteer themselves :-) I expect that Gary Grauke will be there to help coordinate this effort. These are areas in particular that either need action very soon or need a committed volunteer for- -We need a local (Portland) screenprinter lined up ASAP to make EVent T-shirts. I believe Chip Gribben has artwork ready to go. -We need a reliable volunteer willing and able to handle record keeping for all the runs and potential records, will need a laptop and be familiar with Excel. Certificates need to be completed immediately after the race. This is a very important position, this person needs to be in the tower for every EV run. -Programs, forms, and certificates. Lou has offered to make the certificates. The program and forms remain a question at this point but Dean has made them in the past. It would be nice to have someone to handle all the paper needed. (my printer is not up to the task) -We need a few folks willing to man (or woman) the info/T-shirt booth. At least 3 or 4 people so no one has to do a long shift there. -Prizes for the awards ceremony. I haven't had a chance to find out much about this area yet, but we can always use more free stuff to giva away, if there any OEVA folks that can kick down free stuff that would be great. Any input or suggestions are welcome, I am flying by the seat of my pants here and need all the help I can get. Again, record keeping is job one. We need someone to step up the the plate for this service. Thanks! Roy LeMeur Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA My Electric Vehicle Pages: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html Informative Electric Vehicle Links: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From alan@agora.rdrop.com Thu Sep 9 13:56:43 2004 Received: from agora.rdrop.com (202@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i89Kuek1088328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from alan@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) id i89Kub6N088327 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:56:37 -0700 From: Alan Batie To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] OEVA Volunteers Needed for Woodburn Message-ID: <20040909205637.GH81074@agora.rdrop.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:56:44 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 10:28:21AM -0700, Roy LeMeur wrote: > I won't be able to make the OEVA meeting tonight, was hoping that the folks > there can organize/volunteer themselves :-) Being in Corvallis now, I won't either ;-) > -We need a local (Portland) screenprinter lined up ASAP to make EVent > T-shirts. I believe Chip Gribben has artwork ready to go. I used Oregon Screen Impressions ( http://www.oregonscreen.com/ ) when I had them made a couple years ago, and was pretty happy with the results. - -- Alan Batie ______ alan.batie.org Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ spamassassin.taint.org NO SPAM! This fall, we have the choice between a police state and a nanny state. Both want most of our money and liberty, but the liberties one will take are a lot more severe than the other... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBQUDDhYv4wNua7QglAQFG1AQAosjVAK+7Ng2BBE9RLeF7xZRhG+bMYZSl wuQwDPHe+Hj26+WNGjLbZ1PapXlk/y1ozvIlrRtf9obRCZhX1eerPcDUKAoD/NsI txGUAV0lvczupwetH+ZqxnFWqNkUsvMLUQg1UrX8Hda3NcFoNEue5GcES3+ar+v3 85zQxYBzFwU= =hNEL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ejts@comcast.net Thu Sep 9 16:13:04 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i89ND4v6024894 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:13:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id AC1926C60096; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:41:29 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <090904253.56596@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Will miss meeting tonight X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:13:04 -0000 I could push other things around, but it looks like I'll just rely on all you wonderful people to keep things moving along. I just won't have time to be any real help with upcoming events, like the Woodburn drags, so my absence tonight won't add much to my dereliction of duty. Thanks to Gary and all the others for continuing to care for things I should be more involved in. The next couple months will continue to keep me from being of much help. After that, I hope to be able to get back to supporting the EV community. Sorry for the late notice, but I'd hoped to be able to take time at least for the meeting. Keep on keeping on! -- Eric From barnes.rick@comcast.net Wed Sep 15 05:22:37 2004 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8FCMbcY039266 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004091512150101200phbf5e>; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:15:02 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:14:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c49b1d$8af81ed0$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C49AE2.DE9946D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: [Oeva-list] Contact in Corvallis? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:22:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C49AE2.DE9946D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know Greg in Corvallis with a Gizmo electric vehicle? His last name and contact info would be most helpful. Thanks, Rick Barnes Aloha, OR ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C49AE2.DE9946D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Anyone = know Greg in=20 Corvallis with a Gizmo electric vehicle?
 
His = last name and=20 contact info would be most helpful.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C49AE2.DE9946D0-- From gladed@glamber.com Wed Sep 15 08:35:45 2004 Received: from atreuscorp.com (fa02-79bcf6.tokyo-b.flets.isao.net [61.121.188.246]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8FFZiiJ088948 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gladed@glamber.com) Received: from mouse ([172.16.0.204]) by atreuscorp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04427; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:47:31 +0900 Message-ID: <018401c49b35$0107b1f0$cc0010ac@mouse> From: "Glade Diviney" To: "Rick Barnes" References: <000001c49b1d$8af81ed0$6800a8c0@laundryroom> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Contact in Corvallis? Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:02:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0181_01C49AFA.53F2F770" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:35:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01C49AFA.53F2F770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageMaybe you mean "Glade"? If so, that's me ;-) Email's the best way = to get in touch. -Glade ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Barnes=20 To: oeva-list@oeva.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:14 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] Contact in Corvallis? Anyone know Greg in Corvallis with a Gizmo electric vehicle? His last name and contact info would be most helpful. Thanks, Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01C49AFA.53F2F770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_0181_01C49AFA.53F2F770-- From Theoldcars@aol.com Wed Sep 15 12:10:50 2004 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8FJAlMS048149 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:10:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.7.) id 6.1ef.2ad737ad (4238) for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:05:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <1ef.2ad737ad.2e79ec6c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:05:16 EDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1095275116" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Factory Ranger EV X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:10:51 -0000 -------------------------------1095275116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there anyone in Oregon who can work on these or have the Software for the Ford New Generation Star tester? Thank you Don -------------------------------1095275116 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there anyone in Oregon who can work on these or have the Software fo= r=20 the Ford New Generation Star tester?
 
Thank you
Don
 -------------------------------1095275116-- From ejts@comcast.net Fri Sep 17 14:23:10 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8HLNAt7004087 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id A533156600FC; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:20:51 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <170904261.51765@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:21:16 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EVent at PGE Tualatin - 9/22/04 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:23:10 -0000 I received a message from the OEVA web site from Gayle Aman of PGE who coordinates the ECO Rule program here at PGE which includes planning Transportation Fairs for our employees at various locations. This year we held four T Fairs - two in Portland, one in Tualatin and the last is next week, Wednesday, September 22 at our Oregon City location from 11:30 to 1:00. From ejts@comcast.net Fri Sep 17 14:27:31 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8HLRUT3005291 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:27:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id A650674000F8; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:25:36 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <170904261.52050@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:25:36 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EVent at PGE Oregon City - 9/22/04 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:27:31 -0000 Darn it! Bumped the "Send" button before I was done with this. Here's what the last one should have been (note that I got the wrong city name in that subject line, too): I received a message from the OEVA web site from Gayle Aman of PGE who coordinates the ECO Rule program at PGE which includes planning Transportation Fairs for their employees at various locations. The next one is next week, Wednesday, September 22 at our Oregon City location from 11:30 to 1:00. I won't be able to help and am awaiting a return call from her (ain't phone tag wonderful?) but wanted to let you all know that an opportunity belatedly has raised its head. I'll post any more I can come up with, but this is all I know now. Including that it's really in Oregon City. -- Eric -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From ejts@comcast.net Fri Sep 17 16:33:32 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8HNXVJM048565 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:33:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id A25430B100AE; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:25:08 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <170904261.59223@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:31:37 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] More info on the upcoming PGE EVent X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:33:34 -0000 Date: Wednesday, Sept. 22 Time: 11:30AM - 1:00PM Setup time: 10:30AM Contact: Gayle Aman Email: gayle_aman@pgn.com Phone: 503-464-8830 Alternate contact: Kristine Hendrix Phone: 503-742-8291 Location: 209 Warner-Milne Rd. Oregon City, OR This sounds neat. I am developing this contact. PGE does about 4 of these each year. This is the last one this year. We will be notified well in advance of next year's events. Gayle would like anyone who could show up to contact her, either by phone or email. She knows that there is not too good a chance anyone can make it, but is hopeful. If anyone can attend, it would be nice to have some kind of handout. Even if it's just a hard-copy of our URL. I won't be able to put any more effort into this, so you all are on your own. Anyone who is interested, even just to ask questions, should contact Gayle directly. She sent me a list of participants. Crazy Legs will be there. Some of the other participants that attend most of these won't be there for this one. Any EV-er that can make it may have a better audience that way. Subject to weather, anyway. Have fun! -- Eric From gary@whitecape.org Sat Sep 18 21:18:13 2004 Received: from stallman.i.whitecape.org (sub25-166.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.25.166] (may be forged)) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8J4ICI4073258 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:18:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@whitecape.org) Received: from gary (gary.i.whitecape.org [192.168.0.17]) by stallman.i.whitecape.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D80A7F86D7 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:23:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gary Graunke" To: Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:20:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200409181900.i8IJ0qvv071319@agora.rdrop.com> Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: upcoming PGE event X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 04:18:14 -0000 I'm also planning on being there (a two stop charging trip!). There will be charging there, but not necessarily at the event. If anyone else can be there as well, that would be great! (Yes, it's pretty short notice). I did call Gayle late Friday to get the details. Free food and charging--what else could you want? Gary ===================================== Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:31:37 -0700 From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: [Oeva-list] More info on the upcoming PGE EVent To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-ID: <170904261.59223@webbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wednesday, Sept. 22 Time: 11:30AM - 1:00PM Setup time: 10:30AM Contact: Gayle Aman Email: gayle_aman@pgn.com Phone: 503-464-8830 Alternate contact: Kristine Hendrix Phone: 503-742-8291 Location: 209 Warner-Milne Rd. Oregon City, OR This sounds neat. I am developing this contact. PGE does about 4 of these each year. This is the last one this year. We will be notified well in advance of next year's events. Gayle would like anyone who could show up to contact her, either by phone or email. She knows that there is not too good a chance anyone can make it, but is hopeful. If anyone can attend, it would be nice to have some kind of handout. Even if it's just a hard-copy of our URL. I won't be able to put any more effort into this, so you all are on your own. Anyone who is interested, even just to ask questions, should contact Gayle directly. She sent me a list of participants. Crazy Legs will be there. Some of the other participants that attend most of these won't be there for this one. Any EV-er that can make it may have a better audience that way. Subject to weather, anyway. Have fun! -- Eric ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8 **************************************** From Theoldcars@aol.com Sun Sep 19 14:31:27 2004 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8JLVQbl011468 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.7.) id 6.141.344605e8 (4238) for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:31:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <141.344605e8.2e7f54a6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:31:18 EDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1095629478" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:31:27 -0000 -------------------------------1095629478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I am new and have just filled out a membership application. I have a few questions. What is this event about? I could bring the GM made 1997 Chevrolet S-10 EV that could make it to this location or a Solectria Force if there was charging on the site (old batteries). I have a business that is a short distance from this location that has 220. I would be coming from Southwest Portland. I would like to add I am very excited about electric vehicles. In the last three months I have added several to our fleet. They are three factory Rangers, two factory S-10 and one Solectria force. Don Blazer In a message dated 9/19/2004 12:01:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request@oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-owner@oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: upcoming PGE event (Gary Graunke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:20:32 -0700 From: "Gary Graunke" Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: upcoming PGE event To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm also planning on being there (a two stop charging trip!). There will be charging there, but not necessarily at the event. If anyone else can be there as well, that would be great! (Yes, it's pretty short notice). I did call Gayle late Friday to get the details. Free food and charging--what else could you want? Gary ===================================== Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:31:37 -0700 From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: [Oeva-list] More info on the upcoming PGE EVent To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-ID: <170904261.59223@webbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wednesday, Sept. 22 Time: 11:30AM - 1:00PM Setup time: 10:30AM Contact: Gayle Aman Email: gayle_aman@pgn.com Phone: 503-464-8830 Alternate contact: Kristine Hendrix Phone: 503-742-8291 Location: 209 Warner-Milne Rd. Oregon City, OR This sounds neat. I am developing this contact. PGE does about 4 of these each year. This is the last one this year. We will be notified well in advance of next year's events. Gayle would like anyone who could show up to contact her, either by phone or email. She knows that there is not too good a chance anyone can make it, but is hopeful. If anyone can attend, it would be nice to have some kind of handout. Even if it's just a hard-copy of our URL. I won't be able to put any more effort into this, so you all are on your own. Anyone who is interested, even just to ask questions, should contact Gayle directly. She sent me a list of participants. Crazy Legs will be there. Some of the other participants that attend most of these won't be there for this one. Any EV-er that can make it may have a better audience that way. Subject to weather, anyway. Have fun! -- Eric ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8 **************************************** ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 -------------------------------1095629478 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi
 
I am new and have just filled out a membership application. I have= a=20 few questions. What is this event about? I could bring the GM made= =20 1997 Chevrolet S-10 EV that could make it to this location or a Solectr= ia=20 Force if there was charging on the site (old batteries). I have a busin= ess=20 that is a short distance from this location that has 220. I would be co= ming=20 from Southwest Portland.
 
I would like to add I am very excited about electric vehicles. In the l= ast=20 three months I have added several to our fleet. They are three factory=20 Rangers, two factory S-10 and one Solectria force.
 
Don Blazer
 
 In a message dated 9/19/2004 12:01:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:
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Message:=20 1
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:20:32 -0700
From: "Gary Graunke"=20 <gary@whitecape.org>
Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: upcoming PGE=20 event
To: <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:=20 <IMEMKNKHLLLDHJHEBBJIMEKMDGAA.gary@whitecape.org>
Content-Type:=20 text/plain;    charset=3D"us-ascii"

I'm also planning on=20= being=20 there (a two stop charging trip!). There will be
charging there, but no= t=20 necessarily at the event.

If anyone else can be there as well, that= =20 would be great! (Yes, it's pretty
short notice).
I did call Gayle la= te=20 Friday to get the details.  Free food and
charging--what else coul= d=20 you=20 want?

Gary

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Date:= =20 Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:31:37 -0700
From: "Eric Johnson"=20 <ejts@comcast.net>
Subject: [Oeva-list] More info on the upcoming= PGE=20 EVent
To: oeva-list@oeva.org
Message-ID:=20 <170904261.59223@webbox.com>
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Date: Wednesday, Sept. 22
Time: 11:30AM -=20 1:00PM
Setup time: 10:30AM
Contact: Gayle Aman
Email:=20 gayle_aman@pgn.com
Phone: 503-464-8830

Alternate contact: Kristi= ne=20 Hendrix
Phone: 503-742-8291

Location:
209 Warner-Milne=20 Rd.
Oregon City, OR

This sounds neat.  I am developing this= =20 contact.  PGE does about
4 of these each year.  This is the l= ast=20 one this year.  We will
be notified well in advance of next year's= =20 events.
Gayle would like anyone who could show up to contact her,=20 either
by phone or email.  She knows that there is not too good a=20 chance
anyone can make it, but is hopeful.
If anyone can attend, it=20 would be nice to have some kind of handout.
Even if it's just a hard-co= py=20 of our URL.
I won't be able to put any more effort into this, so you=20 all
are on your own.  Anyone who is interested, even just to=20 ask
questions, should contact Gayle directly.
She sent me a list of=20 participants.  Crazy Legs will be there.
Some of the other=20 participants that attend most of these won't
be there for this one.&nbs= p;=20 Any EV-er that can make it may have a
better audience that way. =20 Subject to weather, anyway.
Have=20 fun!
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Eric






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-------------------------------1095629478-- From rolson@gmail.com Fri Sep 24 20:27:18 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8P3RHNR004640 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 74so2951876rnl for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.19 with SMTP id e19mr3890252rng; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.162.21 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:07 -0700 From: Ross Olson To: oeva-list@oeva.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Bring a Tripod to Woodburn on Saturday? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ross Olson List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:27:18 -0000 Can anyone bring a tripod to the NEDRA event on Saturday? I'm bringing my camcorder, but providence has not blessed me much supporting equipment. On the off chance the someone might have a Fluid-head tripod, I thought I'd ask. Thanks all! ...Ross... From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Thu Sep 30 21:48:12 2004 Received: from fr4.webmaillogin.com (fr4.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.68]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i914mBk1005153 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [70.56.198.150] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO [70.56.198.149]) by fr4.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 17280366 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:48:10 -0400 Message-ID: <415CD391.7050609@copperlionslair.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:48:33 -0700 From: CopperLion User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Tech Fest at ITT Technical Institute Portland campus X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 04:48:12 -0000 "TechFest is Oct.26 - 29 with the 29th being reserved for the Advisory Committee Luncheon and employer review of projects." "...would like to expand on OEVA at TechFest and what is possible - cars, literature, banner, other......?" I haven't had any more detailed information than this, but I've been trying to get specifics from Mary Packard, the contact at ITT Tech. I've told her that we need more detailed information to see who is available, what resources we can devote to it, and how we go about arranging some support from their end of things so we know what's going on. I'm sending her another email tonight to request information, which I will post as soon as I see a response. Assuming I get information in the next few days, is anyone marginally interested in this and have the days mentioned available for showing off EVs while talking to electronics students? -Kevin From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Thu Sep 30 22:26:28 2004 Received: from fr4.webmaillogin.com (fr4.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.68]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i915QQuZ013740 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [70.56.198.150] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO [70.56.198.149]) by fr4.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 17291378 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: <415CEA98.2000508@copperlionslair.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:26:48 -0700 From: CopperLion User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Tech Fest 2004 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 05:26:28 -0000 Here's a copy of my latest request for information from ITT Tech: > Here's the information I need for the OEVA so they can organize something for Tech Fest: > > 1- Times: specifically, you want them there from what time to what time with their vehicles. > 2- If we make the banners, booth, and literature available for the event, are we allowed to hand out the literature and set things up to promote the organization? We are not terribly evangelical, in that we > generally keep things low-key and aren't forcing any views on anyone. We believe in supporting environmentally friendly transportation, and we will not do anything intentionally to raise the ire of those who > believe differently. > 3- I assume we would be allowed access to the facilities for basic needs (restrooms and possibly the vending machines or some place to sit down for a while). Please correct me if I'm wrong in this > assumption. > 4- Will there be access to electricity for recharging vehicles? Most vehicles can charge with a standard 110V outlet, though a 220V outlet would allow some to charge faster. > 5- I will provide driving directions to the campus, but will there be any special instructions for our folks once they arrive? > > I will keep in touch, and let you know if there are any other questions that arise. > > Thanks, > -Kevin I forgot to mention in my previous post that the event will be held at the Portland campus of ITT Technical Institute. The campus is located on Columbia Blvd., at approximately 78th Ave. (there is no actual 78th Ave. cross street). If you follow 82nd Ave. North, turn on to Hwy 30 like you're headed to the airport, and loop back onto Columbia Blvd. Turn right, go through the light, and the campus is on the right hand side. If you take I-205, take the Columbia Blvd./Killingsworth exit, stick to the right lane and follow onto Columbia Blvd. The campus will be on the right hand side, shortly after the first actual traffic light, and just before the Collwood Golf Course. The actual address for those coming from other directions and wanting to get directions from MapQuest: 6035 NE 78th Ct. Portland, OR 97218 More details as I get them, -Kevin From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Fri Oct 1 10:57:06 2004 Received: from bk2.webmaillogin.com (bk2.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.98]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i91Hv4dv009888 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:57:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [159.121.28.62] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com) by bk2.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2b8) with HTTP id 11408461 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:57:02 -0400 From: To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2b8 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:57:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Tech Fest 2004-some details X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:57:07 -0000 Here's the response from Mary Packard at ITT Tech: Sorry it's taken so long to get this to you 1. TechFest will run Tues - THurs Oct 26 - 28 from 10am until 4pm for the open house - high school students and Friday from 11am - 3pm for the advisory committee luncheon and project review by employers. Any of those days you're welcome to be here. 2. I'm soliciting a number of professional organizations and robotic organizations. Everyone is welcome to hand our literature etc. 3. You can be both inside and out if you wish - cars outside and booth inside or however you want to set it up - just let me know. For outside I'll rope off a part of the parking lot - whatever space you need. 4. We'll probably have food available for high schools and are thinking of doing student appreciation days during TechFest so of course everyone is welcome. The only restriction would be the luncheon on Fri but usually that opens to faculty etc after the formal meeting and you would be welcome to that and it's really good. 4. There's got to be an outside outlet, but... we can always run a cord from the bookstore or AMT lab. 5. Once I know your anticipated space needs, I'll send a map with the space designated. Thanks so much for doing this - I think it will be a great show and interest for students and guests. From billdodds@hotmail.com Fri Oct 1 19:41:24 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f28.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.28]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i922fOwQ048843 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billdodds@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:24:01 -0700 Received: from 24.21.163.4 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:23:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.21.163.4] X-Originating-Email: [billdodds@hotmail.com] X-Sender: billdodds@hotmail.com From: "Bill Dodds" To: Oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:23:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2004 02:24:01.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[E11E75F0:01C4A826] Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] (no subject) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:41:25 -0000

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> > --===============0017307480== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > --===============0017307480==-- > From mark.freidberg@netzero.net Sun Oct 3 10:46:51 2004 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id i93HkpKJ070123 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail06.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.146]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAYAQLBAU7EW8J for (sender ); Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:39:13 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mOJINeTfds3A1LAcN4872iekqkpnCKBo01lyGUi8p/GA Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) by webmail06.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J82LZQPT; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 10:38:42 PDT Received: from [64.136.26.228] by webmail06.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:38:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.228] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.net" Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:38:03 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041003.103842.25164.1126037@webmail06.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:2372092374 X-MAIL-INFO: 3498ed1195188cbcd9d86859addd48c8d518b5c97d614d68c569211c15c8099c5decb54dcc1915092589ec1c9cb80d19b1657d65358d6cb16d217ce50100ad65414c2c3c95e1f921b88139ed014175282c31359d759d59d13935bc1189cdf5ad48053175bc61acd9f8d1f1d1f55c1868e5b591f879f8dc38dcf1c91cc968c91c91e82569411ce90d0d65cd35b83d3d7c857c9d3505bc0505fc29001dbdad414c7d49a53c99452985b9c9b5988888f1c8f14db5686968181c154dac0de8095d555dac788c117c9d7cd9a8c8a8d8a8c8ddf868387dc8e89191254c8d00f92cbd411d811df985 Subject: [Oeva-list] Hillsdale branch library charging station update. X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:46:51 -0000 Hi fellow OEVA members, Earlier this year at one of our monthly meetings, mention was made of the new Hillsdale branch library ( www.multcolib.org/agcy/hls.html )and an EV charging station that was said to be there in a Multnomah Village Post article. I went over to the library to check this out. And yes, there is an EVI ICS-200 Conductive charging station located in the covered parking area. When you pull into the parking area, on the left-hand side is a parking space with the charging station mounted on the wall at the head of it. The charger was on, and appeared to be operational when I examined it. The problem is, it has an AVCON type paddle, so there is no way to just plug-in your regular 120/220 VAC plug into it unless you have an adaptor. A quickie Google search revealed some informative pages that hopefully are accurate and current. It looks like the E.A.A. has an adaptor available for sale that will support an interface to a 220V onboard charging system. It doesn't appear that interface to a 110V is possible. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/sparrow_ev/message/9305 http://eaaev.org/eaa_merchandise.html Best Regards, Mark Freidberg From gary.graunke@intel.com Wed Oct 13 12:38:57 2004 Received: from caduceus.jf.intel.com (fmr06.intel.com [134.134.136.7]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9DJcuQC050602 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:38:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from petasus.jf.intel.com (petasus.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.6]) by caduceus.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-outer.mc, v 1.15 2004/01/30 18:16:28 root Exp $) with ESMTP id i9DJcHjc003814 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:38:17 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by petasus.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-inner.mc, v 1.11 2004/07/29 22:51:53 root Exp $) with SMTP id i9DJgIKO006998 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:42:18 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004101312384413977 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:38:44 -0700 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:38:42 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:38:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: October meeting Thread-Index: AcSpcT43og+XgaWoRHyW2H5tbANDVgH6jV1w From: "Graunke, Gary" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2004 19:38:42.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EDAC9D0:01C4B15C] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id i9DJcuQC050602 Subject: [Oeva-list] October meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:38:57 -0000 Just a reminder that we will be having our regular meeting tommorrow evening, Thursday October 14th. I don't have a large agenda this month. A number of us can report on the NEDRA nationals at Woodburn, and the discuss how best to appear at the ITT Tech Fest later this month (it's during the week). Since we have been spending a lot of time on awareness events, we should spend more time on project updates and question/answer time. Of course, any other agenda items are welcome. Please let us know if we need AV equipment (none planned so far). Gary From ejts@comcast.net Wed Oct 13 13:52:23 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9DKqJFx073763 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id A4E0D616011C; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:49:36 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] October meeting Message-Id: <131004287.49916@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:50:03 -0700 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:52:23 -0000 Thanks to Gary for taking care of this. I won't be at this meeting, but hopefully will be back on a more normal schedule by next month. Have fun! -- Eric >--- Original Message --- >From: "Graunke, Gary" > >Just a reminder that we will be having our regular meeting tommorrow >evening, Thursday October 14th. > >I don't have a large agenda this month. A number of us can report on the >NEDRA nationals at Woodburn, and the discuss how best to appear at the >ITT Tech Fest later this month (it's during the week). > >Since we have been spending a lot of time on awareness events, we should >spend more time on project updates and question/answer time. > >Of course, any other agenda items are welcome. Please let us know if we >need AV equipment (none planned so far). > >Gary From mark.freidberg@netzero.net Tue Oct 19 11:08:01 2004 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id i9JI80Mf052223 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:08:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail23.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.163]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAZLX9RAW4TLC2 for (sender ); Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mOJINeTfds3Aa0jon0w3YYvp9v9FudiHOR61QQz0O+Zx Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) by webmail23.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KABUYRLG; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:06:50 PDT Received: from [64.136.26.228] by webmail23.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:06:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.228] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.net" Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:06:43 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041019.110650.17015.150523@webmail23.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:24984202 Subject: [Oeva-list] NW Portland charging X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:08:02 -0000 Hi, Does anyone know of a convenient site to charge (110v a.c.) in close-in NW Portland (NW 21st/23rd ave. area)? Mark From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Thu Oct 21 15:41:29 2004 Received: from bk2.webmaillogin.com (bk2.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.98]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9LMfRGo087695 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:41:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [159.121.28.62] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com) by bk2.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2b8) with HTTP id 12054680 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:23 -0400 From: To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2b8 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] ITT TechFest October 26-28th X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:41:29 -0000 Is there a consensus as to which day the OEVA can be represented at the ITT TechFest? I will have to provide them with a response by Monday at the absolute latest. I know Gary said he had a preferred day during the meeting last week, but is that /the/ day? There will be outlets for charging available, and there will be room indoors for a booth so nobody's stuck freezing in the rain if the weather doesn't cooperate. If there are any questions or concerns, feel free to get in touch with a post to the board, or email me directly. Thanks- -Kevin Seeber --copperlion@copperlionslair.com From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Sun Oct 24 21:44:47 2004 Received: from fr4.webmaillogin.com (fr4.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.68]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9P4ikeb098411 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:44:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [70.56.198.150] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO [70.56.198.149]) by fr4.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 21782888 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:44:45 -0400 Message-ID: <417C8520.6050602@copperlionslair.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:46:24 -0700 From: CopperLion User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] ITT TechFest October 26-28th References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030106000103010004020202" X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:44:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030106000103010004020202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I remember correctly, Gary was thinking that the 26th would be best for him, and I heard no opposition or alternative suggestions. I will tell Mary Packard to expect the OEVA on the 26th. Who can make it to ITT Tech this Tuesday? Ross Olson wrote: >On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:23 -0400, Kevin wrote: > > >>Is there a consensus as to which day the OEVA can be >>represented at the ITT TechFest? I will have to provide >> >> > >Kevin, seeing as you are the primary contact, in a group like the >OEVA, unless you hear otherwise, you are in a position of being able >to choose the date and make sure everyone knows what that date, time >and location is. I'm more than happy to put it on the web site as >well, but in all reality, you can take this bull by the horns and make >it happen. > >Be the lead sheep. :) > >...Ross... > > > --------------030106000103010004020202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I remember correctly, Gary was thinking that the 26th would be best for him, and I heard no opposition or alternative suggestions. I will tell Mary Packard to expect the OEVA on the 26th. Who can make it to ITT Tech this Tuesday?

Ross Olson wrote: 
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:23 -0400, Kevin wrote:
  
Is there a consensus as to which day the OEVA can be
represented at the ITT TechFest? I will have to provide
    

Kevin, seeing as you are the primary contact, in a group like the
OEVA, unless you hear otherwise, you are in a position of being able
to choose the date and make sure everyone knows what that date, time
and location is. I'm more than happy to put it on the web site as
well, but in all reality, you can take this bull by the horns and make
it happen.

Be the lead sheep. :)

...Ross...
--------------030106000103010004020202-- From ejts@comcast.net Mon Nov 8 17:43:29 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iA91hMMJ013818 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id AFFE59340082; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:40:14 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <081104313.63779@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:40:44 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] November OEVA meeting this Thursday X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:43:31 -0000 It's time again for our monthly meeting. All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting starts at 7:30PM. World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. I plan on being there this time, but have been too busy with other things to track activities. So, bring your interests and anything you have to share. See you there! Eric Johnson OEVA Co-chair From barnes.rick@comcast.net Thu Nov 11 05:29:59 2004 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iABDTxPv039204 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:29:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004111113244701100nbpmme>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:24:48 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] November OEVA meeting this Thursday Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:24:45 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c4c7f1$cf887990$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <081104313.63779@webbox.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id iABDTxPv039204 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:30:04 -0000 All: I will not be able to attend this month's meeting. Here is a quick Treasury Report: - 21 current members - The IRS promised to respond to our request for Tax Exempt status within 120 days. - I think Ralph is going to help set up direct deposit with the EAA Rick Barnes OEVA Treasurer -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Eric Johnson Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:41 PM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] November OEVA meeting this Thursday It's time again for our monthly meeting. All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting starts at 7:30PM. World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. I plan on being there this time, but have been too busy with other things to track activities. So, bring your interests and anything you have to share. See you there! Eric Johnson OEVA Co-chair _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From JRay3@aol.com Thu Nov 18 11:56:32 2004 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iAIJuVKc047455 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:56:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from JRay3@aol.com) Received: from JRay3@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.8c.1a18090f (16098) for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d26.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.167]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-3ee2419cfe662be; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:56:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:56:22 -0500 From: JRay3@aol.com To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1115AC25.74C6F3AB.0000E8BD@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 159.121.9.50 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] looking for 914 EV project owner X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:56:32 -0000 Hello All, Somebody displayed an incomplete Porsche 914 at EV awareness day this year. I'd appreciate a reference, as I've made contact with a motivated buyer, in case the owner's ever thought of selling that project..... Jay Donnaway From rolson@gmail.com Sun Nov 21 00:32:27 2004 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iAL8WQ5X052541 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:32:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so315782rne for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:32:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fpvJC/ktleaEcFxbU2+bUZkQEiQACCVChSDYGbHG7QWsYRdb9RIcyiauK+vEudiWkIEOCITmoWrWOmFsksEV9uNr2zm1I0tCI7Kinv5Oi2lH0HP3GCeCtxc+HCdZITVZsGjdWTDwFuWhNWZ3rDQqknysrx/w48GwsPH/N9x+kZY= Received: by 10.38.181.38 with SMTP id d38mr395750rnf; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:25:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.162.21 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:25:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:25:40 -0800 From: Ross Olson To: oeva-list@oeva.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] 2004 Woodburn Highlights Video X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ross Olson List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:32:27 -0000 Hey guys, after all that time, I've finally finished the highlights reel from the Woodburn event. I'm letting you all know about it now, so you've got all of Sunday to download the video now, before I announce it on the EVDL. I'll send that mail out Monday. This is my first real video that I've done since High school, so let me know what you think! http://www.oeva.org/events/woodburn2004/ ...Ross... From rolson@gmail.com Tue Nov 23 23:03:06 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.244]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iAO734pT077087 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:03:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id w67so151667cwb for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:03:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:mime-version:content-type:resent-cc:resent-date:message-id:resent-to:resent-message-id:x-image-url:subject:resent-from:date:to:x-mailer:from; b=QOMS69tqBUN6qoF6h/qVPlOFOnHr+arg2sAlxUyLKCGtFuYiBFWunFDsAL2RaVYlN42XPcvFtT98528IwwDObmHrlv8fDd6fzSTeraP30ltzPQQLWa97lN0+WIZqKev9nfM1k6Vp1i3bhDA1K57zxziw4zxrCwUotGl9p8B6l7E= Received: by 10.11.117.22 with SMTP id p22mr46906cwc; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.1.4? ([216.99.213.165]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id p77sm3094cwc; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:56:22 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Resent-Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:56:19 -0800 Message-Id: Resent-To: Eric Johnson Resent-Message-Id: <200411240341.iAO3fW1F034236@agora.rdrop.com> X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Resent-From: R Olson Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:41:32 -0800 (PST) To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@badseed.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) From: Mark Samples Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:03:07 -0000 feedback: Greetings, We are coming to Oregon on a visit in May and we are trailering a "GEM" electric car with us. Do you know if its street legal? It has California plates on it. Thanks and hope to hear from you soon. Mark & Sherrill Samples From rolson@gmail.com Mon Nov 29 22:18:35 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iAU6IZJg021743 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:18:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id w67so269311cwb for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:18:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=p4PEMfvYpjmqFA5RV6ZAjydTharU3KnZK63igILrl1rBM3jcVTWKKsVHSmNWsGzoymCGpV17LdKq0zICminTZqgBSpZe2ANafakeF2qzeyuB9pMjscTS83OUkvmpbCGWPlMUV8suxoQ1fSsrE0cqgBcxG+ttH3bIzou82j5h2c4= Received: by 10.11.119.36 with SMTP id r36mr50906cwc; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.1.27? ([216.99.213.165]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id p77sm2407cwc; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:18:33 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:18:20 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: GEM Low Speed Vehicle X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:18:35 -0000 All of this forwarding stuff is getting a bit out of hand, but it looks like they're happy with the response. ...Ross... Begin forwarded message: > From: > Date: November 24, 2004 5:04:17 PM PST > Subject: Re: GEM Low Speed Vehicle > > Hi Rick, Thanks for your quick reply. Those rules apply here also so > it will be easy to abide by the Oregon rules. Thanks again and have > a great holiday season. Mark & Sherrill Samples > > From: "Rick Barnes" > >> You may drive your GEM in Oregon, on streets with a posted speed limit >> of 35 >> MPH or less. You are prohibited from driving in the bike lanes. >> >> Rick Barnes >> Aloha, OR >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Mark Samples >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:42 PM >> To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@badseed.org >> Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net >> >> >> feedback: Greetings, We are coming to Oregon on a visit in May and >> we >> are trailering a "GEM" electric car with us. Do you know if its street >> legal? It has California plates on it. Thanks and hope to hear from >> you soon. Mark & Sherrill Samples >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From ejts@comcast.net Sun Dec 5 19:20:23 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iB63KMn2096592 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:20:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id AF20B119005A; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:16:48 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <051204340.69600@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:17:11 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] No OEVA meeting in December X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 03:20:23 -0000 Just a reminder that, per "normal", we won't be having a meeting this Thursday. Meetings will resume next month on the usual second Thursday, January 13th. Everyone have a happy holiday season and we'll see you all next month. -- Eric Johnson OEVA Co-chair From rolson@gmail.com Fri Dec 10 16:00:34 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBB00Y0h076963 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u52so165067cwc for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CgghdNq5KyekLojysfVfGa/BOMXYFETkykggpSFKnfa+3JqWkQIsAATTRxxbPdS7zX4yG/fEWhOyDrHdIZImOKBiviIpr9/VFa/VEqOp17plrI6HKovtd3wM4x/vrY0R+59dG+7gzEp/lbIQjsvMI8AvIljE9Qqcgxtu9KcPwPY= Received: by 10.11.119.44 with SMTP id r44mr483981cwc; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.0.156? ([63.227.218.225]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id p77sm12509cwc.2004.12.10.16.00.32; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:33 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:30 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Cc: Dave Stensland Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:00:35 -0000 I got this thru the website. It looks good for everyone... ...Ross... Begin forwarded message: > From: Dave Stensland > Date: December 10, 2004 1:54:19 PM PST > Subject: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org > > feedback: > Hi, > > I've designed a T-shirt based on OEVA member Mark Mongillo's Fiamp. > I them in stock and they are available now... > http://www.megawattmotorworks.com/store/shop/item.asp?itemid=30 > > From rolson@gmail.com Fri Dec 10 17:13:09 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.245]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBB1D9hX098162 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:13:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so128516cwb for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:13:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LgOylCfQZnb7p3cprryoISVnYIBmJj8+B506l+ncj3UN+GPORxLV+8Es0GEHTxUOGVqlkWbnBKP2VWKqDye0KRbYBkX4/qkRzAsiMgubqC+kyzbIMuQJtSRH4oMRyfGyFHvthi2pG065mkNVsuienqsWwvEFwCRK92QadBh5cbM= Received: by 10.11.122.78 with SMTP id u78mr570639cwc; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.0.156? ([63.227.218.225]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id v71sm43441cwb.2004.12.10.17.13.03; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:13:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:13:00 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 01:13:09 -0000 Begin forwarded message: > From: "David Stensland" > Date: December 10, 2004 4:26:44 PM PST > To: "'R Olson'" > Cc: > Subject: RE: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org > > Hi Ross, > > Thanks for forwarding this information to your list. > > If anyone's curious, Mark is well-aware and supportive of the concept. > I > mailed him a complimentary shirt today to thank him for the > inspiration. > > > The image is a wildly modified photo which was taken during the 2002 > NEDRA Nationals in Woodburn. > > -Dave Stensland, Owner > Megawatt Motorworks, LLC > http://www.megawattmotorworks.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: R Olson [mailto:rolson@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:01 PM > To: oeva-list@oeva.org > Cc: Dave Stensland > Subject: Fwd: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org > > I got this thru the website. It looks good for everyone... > > ...Ross... > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Dave Stensland >> Date: December 10, 2004 1:54:19 PM PST >> Subject: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org >> >> feedback: >> Hi, >> >> I've designed a T-shirt based on OEVA member Mark Mongillo's Fiamp. >> I them in stock and they are available now... >> http://www.megawattmotorworks.com/store/shop/item.asp?itemid=30 >> >> > > > > From erick@fmitrucks.com Thu Jul 1 07:58:01 2004 Received: from fmitrucks.com (178.muba.bkfd.snfccafj.dsl.att.net [12.99.81.178]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i61Ew1Vb061151 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:58:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erick@fmitrucks.com) Received: from pc16 ([10.2.0.176]) by fmitrucks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:45:57 -0700 From: "Eric Kobbe" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Hillsboro Rotary 4th of July Parade on Saturday, July 3, 2004 Message-ID: <001101c45f71$bc0d06d0$b000020a@fmitrucks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C45F37.0FB75690" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20040629.171741.1892.19.paburkey@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: erick@fmitrucks.com List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:58:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:58:01 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:45:54 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:58:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C45F37.0FB75690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul... I too will be unable to attend due to some unforeseen kid issues. Hope it goes well. Eric K. 1992 S10 All, Gary Graunke suggest that we meet at his house at 362 NE Hillwood Drive and go to the staging area at the Peter Boscow Elmentery School as a group. The school opens for the parade at 6:00 a.A.M.nd registration begins by 6:30 with everyone must register by 8:00 A.M. so meet at Gary's between 6:00 A.M. and 6:30 A.M. depending on how long you need to charge. Gary be glad to offer charging for anyone before or after the parade. This is new for this year that the parade will end at the Cornell and Grant were we can go back to Gary's house. These are the one's that said that they would attend: Paul Burkey Corbin Sparrow Erik 1992 S10 and trailer with elec-trak lawn mower. Robert Schiavone Gizmo EV Gary Graunke Insight Rick Barnes 1986 Chevy Sprint (Cloud conversion) Dave SALZMAN 92 Geo ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C45F37.0FB75690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Paul... I too will be unable to = attend due to=20 some unforeseen kid issues.  Hope it goes=20 well.
Eric  K.   1992=20 S10 
All,
 
Gary Graunke suggest that we meet at his house at 362 NE Hillwood = Drive=20 and go to the staging area at the Peter Boscow Elmentery School as a = group.=20 The school opens for the parade at 6:00 a.A.M.nd registration begins = by 6:30=20 with everyone must register by 8:00 A.M. so meet at Gary's between = 6:00 A.M.=20 and 6:30 A.M. depending on how long you need to=20 charge. Gary be glad to offer charging for anyone before or = after=20 the parade.  This is new for this year that the parade will end = at the=20 Cornell and Grant were we can go back to Gary's house.  These are = the=20 one's that said that they would attend:
 

           &n= bsp;Paul=20 Burkey Corbin Sparrow

Erik 1992=20 S10 and trailer with elec-trak lawn mower.

Robert=20 Schiavone Gizmo EV

Gary Graunke = Insight

Rick Barnes 1986 = Chevy Sprint=20 (Cloud conversion)

Dave SALZMAN 92=20 Geo

 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C45F37.0FB75690-- From noise.nong@verizon.net Thu Jul 1 18:56:25 2004 Received: from out014.verizon.net (out014pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.46]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i621uOVb016706 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:56:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noise.nong@verizon.net) Received: from workstation ([4.5.120.239]) by out014.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040702014426.YPPA24784.out014.verizon.net@workstation> for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:44:26 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c45fd6$1ad95fb0$6401a8c0@workstation> From: "Rob the Wop" To: References: <001101c45f71$bc0d06d0$b000020a@fmitrucks.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Hillsboro Rotary 4th of July Parade on Saturday, July 3, 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C45F9B.6E04BB70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [4.5.120.239] at Thu, 1 Jul 2004 20:44:26 -0500 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 01:56:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 01:56:25 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:44:24 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 01:56:25 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C45F9B.6E04BB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I live close by- so charging is not an issue, but 6:00 is insanely early = to meet. Not on a weekend. I'll head on over to the Elementary around 7amish. I'll have my outfit = and Gizmo.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric Kobbe=20 To: oeva-list@oeva.org=20 Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:45 AM Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Hillsboro Rotary 4th of July Parade on = Saturday,July 3, 2004 Paul... I too will be unable to attend due to some unforeseen kid = issues. Hope it goes well. Eric K. 1992 S10=20 All, Gary Graunke suggest that we meet at his house at 362 NE Hillwood = Drive and go to the staging area at the Peter Boscow Elmentery School as = a group. The school opens for the parade at 6:00 a.A.M.nd registration = begins by 6:30 with everyone must register by 8:00 A.M. so meet at = Gary's between 6:00 A.M. and 6:30 A.M. depending on how long you need to = charge. Gary be glad to offer charging for anyone before or after the = parade. This is new for this year that the parade will end at the = Cornell and Grant were we can go back to Gary's house. These are the = one's that said that they would attend:=20 Paul Burkey Corbin Sparrow Erik 1992 S10 and trailer with elec-trak lawn mower. Robert Schiavone Gizmo EV Gary Graunke Insight Rick Barnes 1986 Chevy Sprint (Cloud conversion) Dave SALZMAN 92 Geo -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C45F9B.6E04BB70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I live close by- so charging is not an = issue, but=20 6:00 is insanely early to meet. Not on a weekend.
I'll head on over to the Elementary = around 7amish.=20 I'll have my outfit and Gizmo.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Eric Kobbe=20
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 = 6:45=20 AM
Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] = Hillsboro Rotary=20 4th of July Parade on Saturday,July 3, 2004

 
Paul... I too will be unable to = attend due to=20 some unforeseen kid issues.  Hope it goes=20 well.
Eric  K.   1992=20 S10 
All,
 
Gary Graunke suggest that we meet at his house at 362 NE = Hillwood Drive=20 and go to the staging area at the Peter Boscow Elmentery School as a = group.=20 The school opens for the parade at 6:00 a.A.M.nd registration begins = by 6:30=20 with everyone must register by 8:00 A.M. so meet at Gary's between = 6:00 A.M.=20 and 6:30 A.M. depending on how long you need to=20 charge. Gary be glad to offer charging for anyone before = or after=20 the parade.  This is new for this year that the parade will end = at the=20 Cornell and Grant were we can go back to Gary's house.  These = are the=20 one's that said that they would attend:
 

           &n= bsp;Paul=20 Burkey Corbin Sparrow

Erik 1992=20 S10 and trailer with elec-trak lawn mower.

Robert=20 Schiavone Gizmo EV

Gary Graunke = Insight

Rick Barnes 1986 = Chevy=20 Sprint (Cloud conversion)

Dave SALZMAN=20 92 Geo

 
 

_______________________________________________
Oeva-list = mailing=20 = list
Oeva-list@oeva.org
http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-= list
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C45F9B.6E04BB70-- From MarkSFreidberg@aol.com Sat Jul 3 14:29:39 2004 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i63LTdVb033212 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:29:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MarkSFreidberg@aol.com) Received: from MarkSFreidberg@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 6.127.44d49da1 (4004) for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:24:18 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkSFreidberg@aol.com Message-ID: <127.44d49da1.2e187e02@aol.com> To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1088889858" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 Subject: [Oeva-list] Electra Deluxe Scooter @ Schucks auto supply X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:29:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:29:40 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 17:24:18 EDT X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 21:29:40 -0000 -------------------------------1088889858 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Has anyone had a go at the Electra Deluxe Electric Scooter available at Schuck's Auto Supply for $399? http://www.schucks.com/ I had a pretty close look at one model on display. From what i could see it looked pretty good for the price and intended use. Unfortunately, there is no "try before you buy" and the return policy was said to only apply for mechanical problems, not other dissatisfactions. Mark -------------------------------1088889858 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
Has anyone had a go at the Electra Deluxe Electric Scooter available at= Schuck's Auto Supply for $399?
 
 
I had a pretty close look at one model on display. From what i could se= e it looked pretty good for the price and intended use. Unfortunately, there= is no "try before you buy" and the return policy was said to only apply for= mechanical problems, not other dissatisfactions. 
 
Mark
 
 
 
 
 
 
-------------------------------1088889858-- From ejts@comcast.net Mon Jul 5 11:18:29 2004 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i65IITVb088269 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.112 ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004070518121901300jd6p5e>; Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:12:19 +0000 Received: from [67.160.139.203] by 204.127.197.112; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:12:17 +0000 From: ejts@comcast.net To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-Id: <070520041812.2107.40E99A01000CBE3C0000083B22007507449C9B060A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 24 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWp0c0Bjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2107_1089051137_0" Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting this week X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:18:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:18:29 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:12:17 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:18:29 -0000 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2107_1089051137_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, all. Our next meeting will be this Thursday, July 8th at the usual time and place. Two World Trade Center at the corner of SW 1st and Salmon in downtown Portland. Start gathering to show vehicles and socialize at abuot 7:00PM. The meeting will start at 7:30PM. Brad will have good news about the EV Awareness Day planned for August 21st at Pioneer Courthouse Square. We'll need to firm up responsibilites for various support functions for EV Awareness Day. Please be ready to lend a hand so we can fully take advantage of this great venue. If you don't want to wait until Thursday, contact Gary with offers or suggestions. See you all this Thursday! --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2107_1089051137_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello, all.

Our next meeting will be this Thursday, July 8th at the usual time and place.  Two World Trade Center at the corner of SW 1st and Salmon in downtown Portland.  Start gathering to show vehicles and socialize at abuot 7:00PM.  The meeting will start at 7:30PM.

Brad will have good news about the EV Awareness Day planned for August 21st at Pioneer Courthouse Square.

We'll need to firm up responsibilites for various support functions for EV Awareness Day.  Please be ready to lend a hand so we can fully take advantage of this great venue.  If you don't want to wait until Thursday, contact Gary with offers or suggestions.

See you all this Thursday!


 

 
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2107_1089051137_0-- From paburkey@juno.com Mon Jul 12 21:11:55 2004 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i6D4BsVb099002 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:11:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBCGzQ+DPwWdRa1E6hq1EQJlohyIy2tQNwg== Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J2DZ8JE5; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:11:22 PDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-ID: <20040712.211015.1668.1.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-7,11-12 From: Paul A Burkey Subject: [Oeva-list] Sherwood robin hood festival parade. X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:11:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:11:55 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:09:40 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:11:55 -0000 Hi, At the 4th of July parade there was a group from Sherwood robin hood festival and they have a parade this Saturday July 17. The web link is below. http://www.geocities.com/robinhoodfestival/ I am considering going. You can register with forms on-line or on parade day. I have not checked about charging from the people organizing the parade, but I know someone that knows people in Sherwood were charging could be arranged if someone at the parade did not provide some. Paul From gary.graunke@intel.com Thu Jul 15 10:37:03 2004 Received: from orsfmr001.jf.intel.com (fmr12.intel.com [134.134.136.15]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i6FHb3Vb058851 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:37:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from talaria.jf.intel.com (talaria.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.7]) by orsfmr001.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-outer.mc, v 1.15 2004/01/30 18:16:28 root Exp $) with ESMTP id i6F9Pq86020167 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:26:04 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by talaria.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-inner.mc, v 1.10 2004/03/01 19:21:36 root Exp $) with SMTP id i6FGLQib006541 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:21:41 GMT Received: from orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.56]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004071509251226848 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:25:12 -0700 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:25:11 -0700 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EV awareness day planning meetings Thread-Index: AcRqiEyxU65OhvWGTSa215UUi8Z1fA== From: "Graunke, Gary" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2004 16:25:11.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D4DB010:01C46A88] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id i6FHb3Vb058851 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV awareness day planning meetings X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:37:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:37:03 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:25:10 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:37:03 -0000 We'll be meeting on Thursday evenings (other than our regular OEVA meeting nights) at 7pm to plan for EV Awareness Day at Pioneer Square Aug 21. The meeting location is Crazy Legs, Inc 1818 NW 23rd Place Portland There is plenty to do, so any and all help is appreciated. Come make this EV Awareness day a new tradition in this new venue! Gary From acid_lead@yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 08:39:59 2004 Received: from web14801.mail.yahoo.com (web14801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.217]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i6KFdxVb045744 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acid_lead@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040720153958.67841.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.190.88.118] by web14801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:39:58 PDT From: George Tylinski To: oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: <20040630012810.GC85790@agora.rdrop.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: gcrimmins@yahoo.com Subject: [Oeva-list] For Sale: Kostov motor in Hyundai shipping container X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:39:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:39:59 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:39:58 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:39:59 -0000 Hi - I'm forwarding this as a favor to Geoff Crimmins, please reply directly to him. I recently bought some EV gear from him via the EV Tradin' Post, and the transaction went very well. >>> In case you hear of anyone looking for one, I wanted to let you know that I'm also selling a Kostov 10.75-inch motor, which is currently mounted in a 4-door 1989 Hyundai Excell. I would sell them together or seperately. It's such a hassle and expense to ship a motor, I just wanted to pass that along since Portland is within driving distance of Moscow. best regards, Geoff Crimmins gcrimmins@yahoo.com >>> That's Moscow *IDAHO* you silly fools! ===== George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) 73 MG Midget / Portland, OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Sat Jul 31 09:59:50 2004 Received: from fr5.webmaillogin.com (fr5.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i6VGxnVb057535 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [207.225.93.2] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO ICEARROW) by fr5.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 7768936 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:56:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c47716$fab22020$0200a8c0@ICEARROW> From: "CopperLion" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C476DC.4D8FD110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: Tech Fest in November X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:59:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:59:50 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:56:43 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 16:59:50 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C476DC.4D8FD110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey everyone- I wanted to possibly get more exposure for the EV Awareness day, as well = as get some preliminary details about Tech Fest at ITT Technical = Institute. Mary Packard, my contact person at ITT would be happy to put = up some posters and flyers to get some folks to EV Awareness day. The = dates for Tech Fest have been moved to October 27 and 28, so it's no = longer a week-long event and it will be easier to get vehicles and such = there. We have some time before Tech Fest, so we can really concentrate = on EV Awareness day without sacrificing anything. Do we have flyers or informational posters ready to go out yet? -Kevin Kuehne-Seeber ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mary Packard at 033=20 To: 'CopperLion'=20 Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:57 PM Subject: RE: Tech Fest in November Kevin - WOW I really appreciate your thinking of Tech Fest. Right now, = we're targeting a Halloween theme for Oct 27 and 28th. Any = participation would be absolutely great - "booth" for OEVA with = literature, cars anything you want would be very welcome. Do you have a = poster for OEVA or something I can print and post - would love to do = that for the Aug 21 event. =20 THanks very much for thinking about TechFest - you've started some ideas = rolling.=20 Mary -----Original Message----- From: CopperLion [mailto:copperlion@copperlionslair.com] Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:09 AM To: mpackard@itt-tech.edu Subject: Tech Fest in November Mary Packard, I recently became a full member of the OEVA (Oregon Electric Vehicle = Association), and have offered to be their liason for Tech Fest. I was = wondering if there was any specific information we need to know for the = event, so we can start preparing for it.=20 The OEVA is currently busy planning "EV Awareness Day" for Saturday, = August 21st, at Pioneer Courthouse Square. We will have electric = vehicles and owners from as far away as Seattle, southern California, = and Arizona. We will have commercials on TV and radio beginning in the = next couple of weeks, and KPSU (AM 1450) has offered to do some radio = spots for us. If you would like to spread the word at ITT for us, it = would be greatly appreciated. As soon as the EV Awareness Day is finished, we would like to prepare = for the next big event, though Tech Fest and one other between them will = probably not rival EV Awareness in scope for the electric vehicles. I = would be happy to help in whatever way that I can to get things rolling = on this. Thank You, -Kevin Kuehne-Seeber ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C476DC.4D8FD110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey everyone-
I wanted to possibly get more exposure = for the EV=20 Awareness day, as well as get some preliminary details about Tech Fest = at ITT=20 Technical Institute. Mary Packard, my contact person at ITT would be = happy to=20 put up some posters and flyers to get some folks to EV Awareness day. = The dates=20 for Tech Fest have been moved to October 27 and 28, so it's no longer a=20 week-long event and it will be easier to get vehicles and such there. We = have=20 some time before Tech Fest, so we can really concentrate on EV Awareness = day=20 without sacrificing anything.
Do we have flyers or informational = posters ready to=20 go out yet?
 
-Kevin Kuehne-Seeber
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mary = Packard at=20 033
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Tech Fest in November

Kevin=20 - WOW  I really appreciate your thinking of Tech Fest.  Right = now,=20 we're targeting a Halloween theme for Oct 27 and 28th.  Any = participation=20 would be absolutely great - "booth" for OEVA with literature, cars = anything you=20 want would be very welcome.  Do you have a poster for OEVA or = something I=20 can print and post - would love to do that for the Aug 21 event. =20
 
THanks=20 very much for thinking about TechFest - you've started some ideas = rolling.=20
 
Mary
-----Original Message-----
From: CopperLion=20 [mailto:copperlion@copperlionslair.com]
Sent: Friday, July = 30, 2004=20 9:09 AM
To: mpackard@itt-tech.edu
Subject: Tech = Fest in=20 November

Mary Packard,
I recently became a full member of = the OEVA=20 (Oregon Electric Vehicle Association), and have offered to be their = liason for=20 Tech Fest. I was wondering if there was any specific information we = need to=20 know for the event, so we can start preparing for it.
 
The OEVA is currently busy planning = "EV Awareness=20 Day" for Saturday, August 21st, at Pioneer Courthouse Square. We will = have=20 electric vehicles and owners from as far away as Seattle, southern = California,=20 and Arizona. We will have commercials on TV and radio beginning in the = next=20 couple of weeks, and KPSU (AM 1450) has offered to do some radio spots = for us.=20 If you would like to spread the word at ITT for us, it would be = greatly=20 appreciated.
 
As soon as the EV Awareness Day is = finished, we=20 would like to prepare for the next big event, though Tech Fest and one = other=20 between them will probably not rival EV Awareness in scope for the = electric=20 vehicles. I would be happy to help in whatever way that I can to get = things=20 rolling on this.
 
Thank You,
-Kevin Kuehne-Seeber
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C476DC.4D8FD110-- From gary@whitecape.org Sat Jul 31 19:18:06 2004 Received: from stallman.i.whitecape.org (sub25-166.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.25.166]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i712I6Vb059541 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@whitecape.org) Received: from gary (gary.i.whitecape.org [192.168.0.17]) by stallman.i.whitecape.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 306FB93B58 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:56:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gary Graunke" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <200407311900.i6VJ0JVb079270@agora.rdrop.com> Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Awareness Day 2004 (please RSVP if bringing a vehicle) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 02:18:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 02:18:07 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 19:02:33 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 02:18:07 -0000 EV Awareness day will be Saturday, August 21, from 9:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. at Pioneer Square. There is an announcement that you can print on my website: ev.whitecape.org (we'll try to get it on the oeva website asap). Please RSVP via email to me via email OR fax to Scott Kullowatz (503)827-5347 to let us know you are coming. We can then reserve an access pass for you. If we can't get it to you prior to the event, we'll be handing it to you as you arrive at the square. We can start loading in as early as 8:30 a.m., from the east side of the square. To enter, go to 6th and Yamhill and enter from the east side. During the load-in time, you can bring your trailer onto the square and unload. We have reserved a large parking lot at CNF corporation at 21st and Raleigh for trailer parking from 6am to 6pm. We can also accomodate late arrivals and early departures--we recommend getting a escort together due to large numbers of unaware pedestrians that wander through the "living room". There are 4 120V 20A circuits that we can charge from. None has a GFCI. Let me know if you have any questions, or post them to the list. You can also call me at home at 503 846 0133 or work 503 264 9249. Thanks to Brad Hippert for lots of hard work in securing this venue. He started in February, and we will be getting final permit this week! I apologize for the short notice, but we wanted to make sure there were no last minute issues this year. There were lots of complications, such as getting our insurance approved by the city legal department, but it should be much easier in the future. Gary Text of announcement: Come be part of the OEVA Awareness Day. We are proud to be exhibiting in Pioneer Square, better known as Portland's 'Living Room,' in the heart of downtown Portland, at 6th and Yamhill Streets. If you have an electric vehicle and want to participate, please RSVP by email to Gary Graunke via our website, www.oeva.org, or fax Scott Kullowatz at (503) 827-5347. There will be on-site charging. For those using trailers, we have a lot reserved for trailers with good trolley connections to the square. We can accommodate late arrivals and departures. For further information, please contact Gary Graunke via the website. From billdodds@hotmail.com Sun Aug 1 01:06:54 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f10.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i7186sVb012308 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:06:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billdodds@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 00:49:34 -0700 Received: from 24.21.163.4 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:49:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.21.163.4] X-Originating-Email: [billdodds@hotmail.com] X-Sender: billdodds@hotmail.com From: "Bill Dodds" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2004 07:49:34.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[164460C0:01C4779C] Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 08:06:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 08:06:54 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:49:34 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 08:06:54 -0000

Yo, Dudes!  How about working something in with the John Kerry Campaign effort?  John Kerry promotes reneuable energy and non-petroleum vehicles for the future of America! 

I believe that he is interested in lessening our dependance on Oil both foreign and domestic. 

 If elected I think their will be many $ incentives to those who switch, and sky's the limit to those who would be able to work in this field.  If we avoid this political bonanza, that will change the face of transportation in this country and the world, we will have to settle for Bush and Hallyburton and the rest of the oily thievs who have thrown moats in front of EV's and Clean air.

What Ya got-a say bout that?  Bill Dodds, Gresham

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>Hey everyone-
>I wanted to possibly get more exposure for the EV Awareness day, as well as get some preliminary details about Tech Fest at ITT Technical Institute. Mary Packard, my contact person at ITT would be happy to put up some posters and flyers to get some folks to EV Awareness day. The dates for Tech Fest have been moved to October 27 and 28, so it's no longer a week-long event and it will be easier to get vehicles and such there. We have some time before Tech Fest, so we can really concentrate on EV Awareness day without sacrificing anything.
>Do we have flyers or informational posters ready to go out yet?
>
>-Kevin Kuehne-Seeber
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mary Packard at 033
>To: 'CopperLion'
>Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:57 PM
>Subject: RE: Tech Fest in November
>
>
>Kevin - WOW  I really appreciate your thinking of Tech Fest.  Right now, we're targeting a Halloween theme for Oct 27 and 28th.  Any participation would be absolutely great - "booth" for OEVA with literature, cars anything you want would be very welcome.  Do you have a poster for OEVA or something I can print and post - would love to do that for the Aug 21 event.
>
>THanks very much for thinking about TechFest - you've started some ideas rolling.
>
>Mary
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: CopperLion [mailto:copperlion@copperlionslair.com]
>   Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:09 AM
>   To: mpackard@itt-tech.edu
>   Subject: Tech Fest in November
>
>
>   Mary Packard,
>   I recently became a full member of the OEVA (Oregon Electric Vehicle Association), and have offered to be their liason for Tech Fest. I was wondering if there was any specific information we need to know for the event, so we can start preparing for it.
>
>   The OEVA is currently busy planning "EV Awareness Day" for Saturday, August 21st, at Pioneer Courthouse Square. We will have electric vehicles and owners from as far away as Seattle, southern California, and Arizona. We will have commercials on TV and radio beginning in the next couple of weeks, and KPSU (AM 1450) has offered to do some radio spots for us. If you would like to spread the word at ITT for us, it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>   As soon as the EV Awareness Day is finished, we would like to prepare for the next big event, though Tech Fest and one other between them will probably not rival EV Awareness in scope for the electric vehicles. I would be happy to help in whatever way that I can to get things rolling on this.
>
>   Thank You,
>   -Kevin Kuehne-Seeber
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From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Sun Aug 1 08:56:46 2004 Received: from fr3.webmaillogin.com (fr3.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.67]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i71FujVb000684 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [207.225.93.2] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO ICEARROW) by fr3.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 7996179 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:56:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c477e0$27ca8560$0200a8c0@ICEARROW> From: "CopperLion" To: References: Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RE: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C477A5.7A8B8690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:56:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:56:46 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:56:48 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:56:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C477A5.7A8B8690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warning: my personal opinion and political views follow. This is not = intended to incite a "flame-war" on this message board, or to induce = violence, paranoia, or political chicanery. I'm not sure I want to mix that kind of politics into the OEVA, = personally. My personal opinion of the candidates is that Bush would drive the = country further in the wrong direction when it comes to environmental = issues, social "reform", and family values. As the now-nearly-famous = Jib-Jab cartoon points out (www.jibjab.com), I feel that George Bush is = a dumbass on these issues. I think G.W. will continue to try and send = this country back to the 1950s on social issues, and I believe he will = start another war to boost his public image. John Kerry, the cartoon points out, waffles on some key issues. I doubt = he will do much better on social reform, protecting the status quo on = most social issues. He doesn't appear, to me, to be strong enough on = energy policy, and I'm afraid that when it comes to the crunch, he's = going to fold. I think his "family values" platform is just something to = use for political expediency- it will help him get elected, but he won't = stick to it when he's in office. The memebers of his own PT boat crew = from Vietnam refuse to vote for him because he's too ambitious and they = feel he will do anything to get elected without following through. Ralph Nader, in my opinion, is actually a better candidate in that he = has a conscience and a personal drive to see his platform developed into = real policy. He has a socially conscious energy policy (and has since = the 1970s), supports alternative energy for vehicles and the grid, and = he truly believes in what he's saying. He is a socially forward-thinker. = Nader wants to drive the social policy reform to catch up with the state = of actual life in America. His stance on environmental issues is so well = known that people make jokes about it. The biggest problem Ralph Nader = faces is that if he is elected, he will have no clout. His policy will = be filibustered in congress. None of his vision will be approved by the = House or the Senate, and he will be seen as a radical by some foreign = nations. Neither Congress nor many of our foreign allies will take him = seriously, and his policies will fall to the wayside. I believe that it won't matter which candidate the OEVA decides to = endorse, if any. The results will be status quo, or the reinvestment in = foreign oil. I don't see the foreign oil subsidy going away any time = soon, and I don't see any new endorsements of alternatives happening = either. That's my two cents worth- -Kevin Kuehne-Seeber ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Dodds=20 To: oeva-list@oeva.org=20 Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8 Yo, Dudes! How about working something in with the John Kerry = Campaign effort? John Kerry promotes reneuable energy and non-petroleum = vehicles for the future of America! =20 I believe that he is interested in lessening our dependance on Oil = both foreign and domestic.=20 If elected I think their will be many $ incentives to those who = switch, and sky's the limit to those who would be able to work in this = field. If we avoid this political bonanza, that will change the face of = transportation in this country and the world, we will have to settle for = Bush and Hallyburton and the rest of the oily thievs who have thrown = moats in front of EV's and Clean air. What Ya got-a say bout that? Bill Dodds, Gresham ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C477A5.7A8B8690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Warning: my personal opinion and = political views=20 follow. This is not intended to incite a "flame-war" on this message = board, or=20 to induce violence, paranoia, or political chicanery.
 
I'm not sure I want to mix that kind of = politics=20 into the OEVA, personally.
 
My personal opinion of the candidates = is that Bush=20 would drive the country further in the wrong direction when it comes to=20 environmental issues, social "reform", and family values. As the=20 now-nearly-famous Jib-Jab cartoon points out (www.jibjab.com), I feel that George = Bush is a=20 dumbass on these issues. I think G.W. will continue to try and send this = country=20 back to the 1950s on social issues, and I believe he will start another = war to=20 boost his public image.
 
John Kerry, the cartoon points out, = waffles on some=20 key issues. I doubt he will do much better on social reform, protecting = the=20 status quo on most social issues. He doesn't appear, to me, to be strong = enough=20 on energy policy, and I'm afraid that when it comes to the crunch, he's = going to=20 fold. I think his "family values" platform is just something to use for=20 political expediency- it will help him get elected, but he won't stick = to it=20 when he's in office. The memebers of his own PT boat crew from = Vietnam=20 refuse to vote for him because he's too ambitious and they feel he will = do=20 anything to get elected without following through.
 
Ralph Nader, in my opinion, is actually = a better=20 candidate in that he has a conscience and a personal drive to see his = platform=20 developed into real policy. He has a socially conscious energy policy = (and has=20 since the 1970s), supports alternative energy for vehicles and the grid, = and he=20 truly believes in what he's saying. He is a socially forward-thinker. = Nader=20 wants to drive the social policy reform to catch up with the state of = actual=20 life in America. His stance on environmental issues is so well known = that people=20 make jokes about it. The biggest problem Ralph Nader faces is that if he = is=20 elected, he will have no clout. His policy will be filibustered in=20 congress. None of his vision will be approved by the House or the = Senate, and he=20 will be seen as a radical by some foreign nations. Neither Congress nor = many of=20 our foreign allies will take him seriously, and his policies will fall = to the=20 wayside.
 
I believe that it won't matter which = candidate the=20 OEVA decides to endorse, if any. The results will be status quo, or the=20 reinvestment in foreign oil. I don't see the foreign oil subsidy going = away any=20 time soon, and I don't see any new endorsements of alternatives = happening=20 either.
 
That's my two cents worth-
-Kevin Kuehne-Seeber
 
----- Original Message -----
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Yo, Dudes!  How about working something in with the John Kerry = Campaign effort?  John Kerry promotes reneuable energy and = non-petroleum=20 vehicles for the future of America! 

I believe that he is interested in lessening our dependance on Oil = both=20 foreign and domestic. 

 If elected I think their will be many $ incentives to those = who=20 switch, and sky's the limit to those who would be able to work in this = field.  If we avoid this political bonanza, that will change the = face of=20 transportation in this country and the world, we will have to = settle for=20 Bush and Hallyburton and the rest of the oily thievs who have thrown = moats in=20 front of EV's and Clean air.

What Ya got-a say bout that?  Bill Dodds,=20 Gresham

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C477A5.7A8B8690-- From RonV92324@att.net Sun Aug 1 17:41:00 2004 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i720f0Vb002401 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:41:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RonV92324@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.63 ([204.127.135.63]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2004080200352911200ccbc4e>; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 00:35:30 +0000 Received: from [12.73.10.131] by 204.127.135.63; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:35:46 +0000 From: RonV92324@att.net To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-Id: <080220040035.17653.410D8C61000E2B5E000044F52160376223CBCDCCCDC7A00201AD@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 19 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Um9uVjkyMzI0QGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17653_1091406946_0" Subject: [Oeva-list] I want to unsubscribe X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:41:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:41:00 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:35:46 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:41:00 -0000 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17653_1091406946_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please unsubscribe me from this mailing list. Thanks, Ron Vaughan --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17653_1091406946_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please unsubscribe me from this mailing list.  Thanks, Ron Vaughan --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17653_1091406946_0-- From jerry.mcintire@comcast.net Tue Aug 3 07:11:54 2004 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i73EBsVb054590 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerry.mcintire@comcast.net) Received: from [67.169.196.150] (c-67-169-196-150.client.comcast.net[67.169.196.150]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004080314064101200fs684e> (Authid: jerry.mcintire); Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:06:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <200408011900.i71J0IVb034806@agora.rdrop.com> References: <200408011900.i71J0IVb034806@agora.rdrop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jerry McIntire To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: political endorsements X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:11:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:11:56 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:09:03 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 14:11:56 -0000 Picking a candidate for OEVA to endorse would be an exercise in divisiveness and futility. I suggest dropping the discussion entirely. Issues are something the OEVA can *probably* agree on, as long as they have to do with electric vehicles. Jerry From billdodds@hotmail.com Tue Aug 3 19:29:44 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f27.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.27]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i742TiVb020167 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billdodds@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:29:39 -0700 Received: from 24.21.163.4 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:29:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.21.163.4] X-Originating-Email: [billdodds@hotmail.com] X-Sender: billdodds@hotmail.com From: "Bill Dodds" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2004 02:29:39.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[E43527A0:01C479CA] Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:29:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:29:44 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:29:39 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:29:44 -0000

Yea!  I thought so!  I dont mean to be divisive but if the wrong guy get's back in the white house, you ain't gonna have a country to drive yer lil lectric car around in. 

Think Ill build a lectric Tank.

The right guy needs our help!  He has embraced R.E. at every turn, other guy is heavy into Oil and won't budge!  To not, voice opinion about such an important benefactor, offered by the Kerry platform is Bawk Bawk Bawk Chicken, not to mention shortsighted.  Bill Dodds Gresham

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From mylest@teleport.com Fri Aug 6 16:49:51 2004 Received: from aftermath.mail.pas.earthlink.net (aftermath.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i76NnpVb034251 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:49:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mylest@teleport.com) Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.181]) by aftermath.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Bslrn-0006w3-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:17:23 -0700 Received: from user-2ini8ng.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.34.240] helo=laptop) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Bslrl-0005w0-00 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:17:22 -0700 From: "Myles Twete" To: Message-ID: <003601c47b10$1094d8e0$f02279a5@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C47AD5.64378780" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Awareness Day X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: mylest@teleport.com List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:49:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:49:51 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:17:13 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 23:49:51 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C47AD5.64378780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received the flyer in the mail regarding the EV awareness day on Aug. 21st. I also noticed the Oregon Humane Society mentioned on it. Are they helping to sponsor the event? That's cool. Also note: RiversWest's annual Portland Wooden Boat Festival is happening the same weekend as EV Awareness Day----just across the river at the Hawthorne Bridge Fire Station dock. I expect there will be 2 electric boats present: Mine (Reach of Tide): http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/492.html Dan Pence's Ginger: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/097.html So when folks get enough of the land-based EVs, stroll over to the East Side and check out the electrics at the Esplanade. The Wooden Boat Festival runs both August 21/22 and will stretch along the Esplanade. You can also check out the old Crater Lake Tourboats under I-5 near the meet site which will be refurbished and repowered---possibly as electrics/hybrids over the next couple years or so. If all goes well, they will be redeployed as low-impact Willamette River ferryboats. -Myles Twete ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C47AD5.64378780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 received the flyer in the mail regarding the EV awareness day on Aug.=20 21st.
I also=20 noticed the Oregon Humane Society mentioned on it.
Are=20 they helping to sponsor the event?  That's = cool.
 
Also=20 note: RiversWest's annual Portland Wooden Boat Festival is happening the = same=20 weekend as EV Awareness Day----just across the river at the Hawthorne = Bridge=20 Fire Station dock.
I=20 expect there will be 2 electric boats present:
    Mine (Reach of Tide): http://www.austinev.org= /evalbum/492.html
    Dan Pence's Ginger: http://www.austinev.org= /evalbum/097.html
 
So=20 when folks get enough of the land-based EVs, stroll over to the East = Side and=20 check out the electrics at the Esplanade.
 
The=20 Wooden Boat Festival runs both August 21/22 and will stretch along the=20 Esplanade.
You=20 can also check out the old Crater Lake Tourboats under I-5 near the meet = site=20 which will be refurbished and repowered---possibly as electrics/hybrids = over the=20 next couple years or so.  If all goes well, they will be redeployed = as=20 low-impact Willamette River ferryboats.
 
-Myles=20 Twete
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C47AD5.64378780-- From rolson@gmail.com Thu Aug 26 08:27:53 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i7QFRqi7095005 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so169731rnl for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.76.76 with SMTP id y76mr2504336rna; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.162.32 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Ross Olson To: Oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Potential speaker? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ross Olson List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:27:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:27:54 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:14:28 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:27:54 -0000 Begin forwarded message: > From: "Marshall V. Mapes" > > feedback: > If you have meetings and would like a speaker on synthetic > lubricants please call me. (503) 647-5486. Synthetics can > dramatically reduce friction to increase mileage and run times. > AMSOIL is the 32 year old leader in synthetics. I have been with them > for 27 years. Call for a free catalog. > Thank you! > Marshall Mapes Would anyone be interested in hearing this guy speak? Let Gary or Eric know if you have a burning desire to talk about lubricants... ... Um, let me clarify that Gary and Eric probably only want to talk about lubricants in regards to cars. ...Ross... _______________________________________________________ - -- Ross Olson, Webmaster, oeva@badseed.org - -- Oregon Electric Vehicle Association - -- http://www.oeva.org/ From pbarrett@ieee.org Thu Aug 26 09:08:30 2004 Received: from mail14d.g14.rapidsite.net (mail14d.g14.rapidsite.net [128.121.143.20]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i7QG8Ui7010346 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pbarrett@ieee.org) Received: from www.barrettengineering.com (128.121.136.108) by mail14d.g14.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.94vs) with SMTP id 1-0419996109; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004501c48b83$3fb1a580$6300a8c0@qwest.net> From: "Patrick H. Barrett" To: , "Ross Olson" References: Organization: Barrett & Assoc. Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Cc: "SAE, Turney, James" , "SAE, Kendall, Betty" , "SAE, Woods, Greg" , "SAE, Wilkening, Jason" , "SAE, Eagan, Mike" , "SAE, Susanto, Andre" Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Potential speaker - automotive lubricants X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Patrick H. Barrett" List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:08:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:08:34 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:42:07 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:08:34 -0000 All; You may know that I encourage interaction between the Oregon Electric Vehicle Assoc. (OEVA) and the Oregon SAE (OSAE). Both are active in Portland, OR. The OSAE is always interested in topics like this one, and most of us have heard of AMSOIL. This topic and speaker might be appropriate for an OSAE Friday luncheon if it included some meaty technical info for an audience of engineers. So I am taking the liberty of forwarding this email to some of the folks in the OSAE. I would encourage the OSAE volunteer who coordinates its meetings to contact both Ross Olson (OEVA) and Mr. Mapes (apparently a dealer of AMSOIL). Rgds, Pat Barrett, PE, Member of both groups Barrett & Assoc. Engineering POB 19847, Portland, OR 97280 503-245-0325, v pbarrett@ieee.org http://www.barrettengineering.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Olson To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] Potential speaker? > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "Marshall V. Mapes" > > > > Feedback: > > If you have meetings and would like a speaker on synthetic > > lubricants please call me. (503) 647-5486. Synthetics can > > dramatically reduce friction to increase mileage and run times. > > AMSOIL is the 32 year old leader in synthetics. > > I have been with them for 27 years. > > Call for a free catalog. > > Thank you! > > Marshall Mapes > > Would anyone be interested in hearing this guy speak? Let Gary or Eric > know if you have a burning desire to talk about lubricants... > > ... Um, let me clarify that Gary and Eric probably only want to talk > about lubricants in regards to cars. > > ...Ross... > > _______________________________________________________ > - -- Ross Olson, Webmaster, oeva@badseed.org > - -- Oregon Electric Vehicle Association > - -- http://www.oeva.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From rmerwin@aracnet.com Thu Aug 26 11:15:43 2004 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:9O+vvaKARCQvrFXF1nq2AzLf9tnGUBEs@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i7QIFei8048688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i7QHtbtu008497; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:55:37 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i7QHtbwa008495; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:55:37 -0700 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200408261755.i7QHtbwa008495@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Potential speaker? To: rolson@gmail.com In-Reply-To: from "Ross Olson" at Aug 26, 2004 08:14:28 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:15:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:15:44 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:55:36 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:15:44 -0000 Ross Olson writes: > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "Marshall V. Mapes" > > > > feedback: > > If you have meetings and would like a speaker on synthetic > > lubricants please call me. (503) 647-5486. Synthetics can > > dramatically reduce friction to increase mileage and run times. > > AMSOIL is the 32 year old leader in synthetics. I have been with them > > for 27 years. Call for a free catalog. > > Thank you! > > Marshall Mapes > > > Would anyone be interested in hearing this guy speak? Let Gary or Eric > know if you have a burning desire to talk about lubricants... Would it be a technical presentation or a sales pitch? I would be interested in hearing which vehicles this product would be suitable for use in (e.g. will it destroy transmission seals or not). If he just wants to give us a sales pitch, then I'm not interested. Ralph From mark.freidberg@netzero.net Thu Aug 26 12:46:06 2004 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id i7QJk6i7077947 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail03.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.143]) by smtpout01.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAU6RBYAHAGCLA for (sender ); Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:38:30 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mOJINeTfds3A7MNSMNV+lUPM9VHe1P7Cip3uaVigFLLm Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) by webmail03.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J5YYQ9B9; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:38:12 PDT Received: from [66.52.245.36] by webmail03.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:37:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.52.245.36] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.net" To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20040826.123812.3601.582792@webmail03.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1167032305 Subject: [Oeva-list] Battery testing facility X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:46:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:46:07 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:37:50 GMT X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:46:07 -0000 Hi OEVA EVers, I have a pair of 12V 34 ah batteries in need of testing to measure voltage at rest and under load. What's a good place to go for that? I live in S.W. Portland near Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy. and Scholls Ferry Rd., but can go elsewhere as necessary. Mark From rolson@gmail.com Sun Sep 5 09:55:21 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i85GtKaA037225 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 76so92631rnk for ; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.125.73 with SMTP id x73mr981575rnc; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.162.24 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Ross Olson To: oeva-list@oeva.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Awareness Day Recap and Photos X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ross Olson List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:55:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:55:21 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:55:10 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:55:21 -0000 I've finally posted the second batch of photos from the 2004 EV Awareness Day. http://www.oeva.org/events/awareness2004/ I think we've got a good, representative sample of the day overall. Thanks to Bruce for the great recap, and thanks to everyone who put in so much work to make it happen. (I'm thinking of Gary and Brad in particular!) On to Woodburn! ...Ross... From gary@whitecape.org Mon Sep 6 20:11:17 2004 Received: from stallman.i.whitecape.org (sub25-166.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.25.166]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i873BGqd098170 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@whitecape.org) Received: from gary (gary.i.whitecape.org [192.168.0.17]) by stallman.i.whitecape.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B058C2ACE for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:53:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gary Graunke" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: [Oeva-list] September meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 03:11:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 03:11:17 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:59:54 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 03:11:17 -0000 The agenda for our September 9th meeting this Thursday includes: 1) Review of EV awareness day -- pictures and sound bytes (news coverage) 2) Upcoming EVents a) Belmont Street Fair 9/11 (room for only two vehicles) b) Nedra nationals at Woodburn 9/25 (volunteers needed) 3) EV Pictures from Victor's trip to Europe--Zebra batteries and more We're always interested in suggestions for future meetings. Let us know what topics you would like discussed--we'll find folks to give an overview on your favorite EV topic. Gary From roylemeur@hotmail.com Tue Sep 7 22:44:01 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (bay18-f6.bay18.hotmail.com [65.54.187.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i885hxO0011226 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roylemeur@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:26:36 -0700 Received: from 66.109.194.227 by by18fd.bay18.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:26:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.109.194.227] X-Originating-Email: [roylemeur@hotmail.com] X-Sender: roylemeur@hotmail.com From: "Roy LeMeur" To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2004 05:26:36.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[6957B380:01C49564] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:20:07 -0700 Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Woodburn 04. Ship Without a Helmsman- X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:44:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:44:02 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:26:36 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:44:02 -0000 Howdy Folks The boat appears to be adrift without Lou Tauber. Who might actually be willing and able and have the time to take the helm and steer the ship? The first ones who come to mind are— Mr. Wilde Mr. Wayland Mr. Graunke Mr. Merwin Mr. Hall Mr. True Mr. Crabtree Mr. Cloud Other? Are the gears turning behind the scenes? Is this already handled? I sorta doubt that all of it is. Hey… Let me know if I can help. I have the time available. Most of the organizers and many of the participants already know me. Crack that whip! :-) I would be happy to— -Assist with record keeping. -Assist track management -Assist with awards ceremony -Assist with awards sponsorship -Assist with tech inspection -Whup those competitors into submission :^D -Generally keep a handle on things I even suspect that I could ride herd on the entire dog and pony show if I was walked through it by someone who has been there and done that… Time is short though, it would have to be a quick learning curve :^o Hey Folks… Let me know if I can be of assistance. Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries- http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm My Electric Vehicle Pages: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html Informative Electric Vehicle Links: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From roylemeur@hotmail.com Thu Sep 9 10:37:43 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (bay18-f27.bay18.hotmail.com [65.54.187.77]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i89Hbh0G029969 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roylemeur@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:28:22 -0700 Received: from 64.40.54.31 by by18fd.bay18.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:28:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.40.54.31] X-Originating-Email: [roylemeur@hotmail.com] X-Sender: roylemeur@hotmail.com From: "Roy LeMeur" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2004 17:28:22.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[67A84890:01C49692] Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA Volunteers Needed for Woodburn X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:37:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:37:44 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:28:21 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:37:44 -0000 Howdy Folks I won't be able to make the OEVA meeting tonight, was hoping that the folks there can organize/volunteer themselves :-) I expect that Gary Grauke will be there to help coordinate this effort. These are areas in particular that either need action very soon or need a committed volunteer for- -We need a local (Portland) screenprinter lined up ASAP to make EVent T-shirts. I believe Chip Gribben has artwork ready to go. -We need a reliable volunteer willing and able to handle record keeping for all the runs and potential records, will need a laptop and be familiar with Excel. Certificates need to be completed immediately after the race. This is a very important position, this person needs to be in the tower for every EV run. -Programs, forms, and certificates. Lou has offered to make the certificates. The program and forms remain a question at this point but Dean has made them in the past. It would be nice to have someone to handle all the paper needed. (my printer is not up to the task) -We need a few folks willing to man (or woman) the info/T-shirt booth. At least 3 or 4 people so no one has to do a long shift there. -Prizes for the awards ceremony. I haven't had a chance to find out much about this area yet, but we can always use more free stuff to giva away, if there any OEVA folks that can kick down free stuff that would be great. Any input or suggestions are welcome, I am flying by the seat of my pants here and need all the help I can get. Again, record keeping is job one. We need someone to step up the the plate for this service. Thanks! Roy LeMeur Roy LeMeur Olympia, WA My Electric Vehicle Pages: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html Informative Electric Vehicle Links: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx From alan@agora.rdrop.com Thu Sep 9 13:56:43 2004 Received: from agora.rdrop.com (202@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i89Kuek1088328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from alan@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) id i89Kub6N088327 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:56:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Batie To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] OEVA Volunteers Needed for Woodburn Message-ID: <20040909205637.GH81074@agora.rdrop.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:56:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:56:44 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 13:56:37 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:56:44 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 10:28:21AM -0700, Roy LeMeur wrote: > I won't be able to make the OEVA meeting tonight, was hoping that the folks > there can organize/volunteer themselves :-) Being in Corvallis now, I won't either ;-) > -We need a local (Portland) screenprinter lined up ASAP to make EVent > T-shirts. I believe Chip Gribben has artwork ready to go. I used Oregon Screen Impressions ( http://www.oregonscreen.com/ ) when I had them made a couple years ago, and was pretty happy with the results. - -- Alan Batie ______ alan.batie.org Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ spamassassin.taint.org NO SPAM! This fall, we have the choice between a police state and a nanny state. Both want most of our money and liberty, but the liberties one will take are a lot more severe than the other... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iQCVAwUBQUDDhYv4wNua7QglAQFG1AQAosjVAK+7Ng2BBE9RLeF7xZRhG+bMYZSl wuQwDPHe+Hj26+WNGjLbZ1PapXlk/y1ozvIlrRtf9obRCZhX1eerPcDUKAoD/NsI txGUAV0lvczupwetH+ZqxnFWqNkUsvMLUQg1UrX8Hda3NcFoNEue5GcES3+ar+v3 85zQxYBzFwU= =hNEL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ejts@comcast.net Thu Sep 9 16:13:04 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i89ND4v6024894 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:13:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id AC1926C60096; Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:41:29 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <090904253.56596@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [Oeva-list] Will miss meeting tonight X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:13:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:13:04 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:11:18 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:13:04 -0000 I could push other things around, but it looks like I'll just rely on all you wonderful people to keep things moving along. I just won't have time to be any real help with upcoming events, like the Woodburn drags, so my absence tonight won't add much to my dereliction of duty. Thanks to Gary and all the others for continuing to care for things I should be more involved in. The next couple months will continue to keep me from being of much help. After that, I hope to be able to get back to supporting the EV community. Sorry for the late notice, but I'd hoped to be able to take time at least for the meeting. Keep on keeping on! -- Eric From barnes.rick@comcast.net Wed Sep 15 05:22:37 2004 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8FCMbcY039266 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004091512150101200phbf5e>; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:15:02 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Message-ID: <000001c49b1d$8af81ed0$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C49AE2.DE9946D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: [Oeva-list] Contact in Corvallis? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:22:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:22:37 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:14:24 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:22:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C49AE2.DE9946D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know Greg in Corvallis with a Gizmo electric vehicle? His last name and contact info would be most helpful. Thanks, Rick Barnes Aloha, OR ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C49AE2.DE9946D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Anyone = know Greg in=20 Corvallis with a Gizmo electric vehicle?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C49AE2.DE9946D0-- From gladed@glamber.com Wed Sep 15 08:35:45 2004 Received: from atreuscorp.com (fa02-79bcf6.tokyo-b.flets.isao.net [61.121.188.246]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8FFZiiJ088948 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gladed@glamber.com) Received: from mouse ([172.16.0.204]) by atreuscorp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04427; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:47:31 +0900 Message-ID: <018401c49b35$0107b1f0$cc0010ac@mouse> From: "Glade Diviney" To: "Rick Barnes" References: <000001c49b1d$8af81ed0$6800a8c0@laundryroom> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Contact in Corvallis? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0181_01C49AFA.53F2F770" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:35:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:35:46 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:02:21 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:35:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01C49AFA.53F2F770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageMaybe you mean "Glade"? If so, that's me ;-) Email's the best way = to get in touch. -Glade ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Barnes=20 To: oeva-list@oeva.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:14 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] Contact in Corvallis? Anyone know Greg in Corvallis with a Gizmo electric vehicle? His last name and contact info would be most helpful. Thanks, Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01C49AFA.53F2F770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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 -------------------------------1095275116-- From ejts@comcast.net Fri Sep 17 14:23:10 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8HLNAt7004087 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id A533156600FC; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:20:51 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <170904261.51765@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [Oeva-list] EVent at PGE Tualatin - 9/22/04 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:23:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:23:10 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:21:16 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:23:10 -0000 I received a message from the OEVA web site from Gayle Aman of PGE who coordinates the ECO Rule program here at PGE which includes planning Transportation Fairs for our employees at various locations. This year we held four T Fairs - two in Portland, one in Tualatin and the last is next week, Wednesday, September 22 at our Oregon City location from 11:30 to 1:00. From ejts@comcast.net Fri Sep 17 14:27:31 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8HLRUT3005291 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:27:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id A650674000F8; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:25:36 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <170904261.52050@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [Oeva-list] EVent at PGE Oregon City - 9/22/04 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:27:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:27:31 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:25:36 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:27:31 -0000 Darn it! Bumped the "Send" button before I was done with this. Here's what the last one should have been (note that I got the wrong city name in that subject line, too): I received a message from the OEVA web site from Gayle Aman of PGE who coordinates the ECO Rule program at PGE which includes planning Transportation Fairs for their employees at various locations. The next one is next week, Wednesday, September 22 at our Oregon City location from 11:30 to 1:00. I won't be able to help and am awaiting a return call from her (ain't phone tag wonderful?) but wanted to let you all know that an opportunity belatedly has raised its head. I'll post any more I can come up with, but this is all I know now. Including that it's really in Oregon City. -- Eric -- Eric Johnson Portland, OR ejts@comcast.net From ejts@comcast.net Fri Sep 17 16:33:32 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8HNXVJM048565 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:33:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id A25430B100AE; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:25:08 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <170904261.59223@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [Oeva-list] More info on the upcoming PGE EVent X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:33:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:33:34 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:31:37 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:33:34 -0000 Date: Wednesday, Sept. 22 Time: 11:30AM - 1:00PM Setup time: 10:30AM Contact: Gayle Aman Email: gayle_aman@pgn.com Phone: 503-464-8830 Alternate contact: Kristine Hendrix Phone: 503-742-8291 Location: 209 Warner-Milne Rd. Oregon City, OR This sounds neat. I am developing this contact. PGE does about 4 of these each year. This is the last one this year. We will be notified well in advance of next year's events. Gayle would like anyone who could show up to contact her, either by phone or email. She knows that there is not too good a chance anyone can make it, but is hopeful. If anyone can attend, it would be nice to have some kind of handout. Even if it's just a hard-copy of our URL. I won't be able to put any more effort into this, so you all are on your own. Anyone who is interested, even just to ask questions, should contact Gayle directly. She sent me a list of participants. Crazy Legs will be there. Some of the other participants that attend most of these won't be there for this one. Any EV-er that can make it may have a better audience that way. Subject to weather, anyway. Have fun! -- Eric From gary@whitecape.org Sat Sep 18 21:18:13 2004 Received: from stallman.i.whitecape.org (sub25-166.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.25.166] (may be forged)) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8J4ICI4073258 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:18:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@whitecape.org) Received: from gary (gary.i.whitecape.org [192.168.0.17]) by stallman.i.whitecape.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D80A7F86D7 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:23:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gary Graunke" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200409181900.i8IJ0qvv071319@agora.rdrop.com> Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: upcoming PGE event X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 04:18:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 04:18:14 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:20:32 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 04:18:14 -0000 I'm also planning on being there (a two stop charging trip!). There will be charging there, but not necessarily at the event. If anyone else can be there as well, that would be great! (Yes, it's pretty short notice). I did call Gayle late Friday to get the details. Free food and charging--what else could you want? Gary ===================================== Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:31:37 -0700 From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: [Oeva-list] More info on the upcoming PGE EVent To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-ID: <170904261.59223@webbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wednesday, Sept. 22 Time: 11:30AM - 1:00PM Setup time: 10:30AM Contact: Gayle Aman Email: gayle_aman@pgn.com Phone: 503-464-8830 Alternate contact: Kristine Hendrix Phone: 503-742-8291 Location: 209 Warner-Milne Rd. Oregon City, OR This sounds neat. I am developing this contact. PGE does about 4 of these each year. This is the last one this year. We will be notified well in advance of next year's events. Gayle would like anyone who could show up to contact her, either by phone or email. She knows that there is not too good a chance anyone can make it, but is hopeful. If anyone can attend, it would be nice to have some kind of handout. Even if it's just a hard-copy of our URL. I won't be able to put any more effort into this, so you all are on your own. Anyone who is interested, even just to ask questions, should contact Gayle directly. She sent me a list of participants. Crazy Legs will be there. Some of the other participants that attend most of these won't be there for this one. Any EV-er that can make it may have a better audience that way. Subject to weather, anyway. Have fun! -- Eric ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8 **************************************** From Theoldcars@aol.com Sun Sep 19 14:31:27 2004 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8JLVQbl011468 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.7.) id 6.141.344605e8 (4238) for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:31:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <141.344605e8.2e7f54a6@aol.com> To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1095629478" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:31:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:31:27 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:31:18 EDT X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:31:27 -0000 -------------------------------1095629478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I am new and have just filled out a membership application. I have a few questions. What is this event about? I could bring the GM made 1997 Chevrolet S-10 EV that could make it to this location or a Solectria Force if there was charging on the site (old batteries). I have a business that is a short distance from this location that has 220. I would be coming from Southwest Portland. I would like to add I am very excited about electric vehicles. In the last three months I have added several to our fleet. They are three factory Rangers, two factory S-10 and one Solectria force. Don Blazer In a message dated 9/19/2004 12:01:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request@oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-owner@oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: upcoming PGE event (Gary Graunke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:20:32 -0700 From: "Gary Graunke" Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: upcoming PGE event To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm also planning on being there (a two stop charging trip!). There will be charging there, but not necessarily at the event. If anyone else can be there as well, that would be great! (Yes, it's pretty short notice). I did call Gayle late Friday to get the details. Free food and charging--what else could you want? Gary ===================================== Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:31:37 -0700 From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: [Oeva-list] More info on the upcoming PGE EVent To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-ID: <170904261.59223@webbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wednesday, Sept. 22 Time: 11:30AM - 1:00PM Setup time: 10:30AM Contact: Gayle Aman Email: gayle_aman@pgn.com Phone: 503-464-8830 Alternate contact: Kristine Hendrix Phone: 503-742-8291 Location: 209 Warner-Milne Rd. Oregon City, OR This sounds neat. I am developing this contact. PGE does about 4 of these each year. This is the last one this year. We will be notified well in advance of next year's events. Gayle would like anyone who could show up to contact her, either by phone or email. She knows that there is not too good a chance anyone can make it, but is hopeful. If anyone can attend, it would be nice to have some kind of handout. Even if it's just a hard-copy of our URL. I won't be able to put any more effort into this, so you all are on your own. Anyone who is interested, even just to ask questions, should contact Gayle directly. She sent me a list of participants. Crazy Legs will be there. Some of the other participants that attend most of these won't be there for this one. Any EV-er that can make it may have a better audience that way. Subject to weather, anyway. Have fun! -- Eric ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 8 **************************************** ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 -------------------------------1095629478 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I am new and have just filled out a membership application. I have= a=20 few questions. What is this event about? I could bring the GM made= =20 1997 Chevrolet S-10 EV that could make it to this location or a Solectr= ia=20 Force if there was charging on the site (old batteries). I have a busin= ess=20 that is a short distance from this location that has 220. I would be co= ming=20 from Southwest Portland.
 
I would like to add I am very excited about electric vehicles. In the l= ast=20 three months I have added several to our fleet. They are three factory=20 Rangers, two factory S-10 and one Solectria force.
 
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I'm also planning on=20= being=20 there (a two stop charging trip!). There will be
charging there, but no= t=20 necessarily at the event.

If anyone else can be there as well, that= =20 would be great! (Yes, it's pretty
short notice).
I did call Gayle la= te=20 Friday to get the details.  Free food and
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Phone: 503-464-8830

Alternate contact: Kristi= ne=20 Hendrix
Phone: 503-742-8291

Location:
209 Warner-Milne=20 Rd.
Oregon City, OR

This sounds neat.  I am developing this= =20 contact.  PGE does about
4 of these each year.  This is the l= ast=20 one this year.  We will
be notified well in advance of next year's= =20 events.
Gayle would like anyone who could show up to contact her,=20 either
by phone or email.  She knows that there is not too good a=20 chance
anyone can make it, but is hopeful.
If anyone can attend, it=20 would be nice to have some kind of handout.
Even if it's just a hard-co= py=20 of our URL.
I won't be able to put any more effort into this, so you=20 all
are on your own.  Anyone who is interested, even just to=20 ask
questions, should contact Gayle directly.
She sent me a list of=20 participants.  Crazy Legs will be there.
Some of the other=20 participants that attend most of these won't
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-------------------------------1095629478-- From rolson@gmail.com Fri Sep 24 20:27:18 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i8P3RHNR004640 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 74so2951876rnl for ; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.19 with SMTP id e19mr3890252rng; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.162.21 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Ross Olson To: oeva-list@oeva.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Bring a Tripod to Woodburn on Saturday? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ross Olson List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:27:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:27:18 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:27:07 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:27:18 -0000 Can anyone bring a tripod to the NEDRA event on Saturday? I'm bringing my camcorder, but providence has not blessed me much supporting equipment. On the off chance the someone might have a Fluid-head tripod, I thought I'd ask. Thanks all! ...Ross... From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Thu Sep 30 21:48:12 2004 Received: from fr4.webmaillogin.com (fr4.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.68]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i914mBk1005153 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [70.56.198.150] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO [70.56.198.149]) by fr4.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 17280366 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:48:10 -0400 Message-ID: <415CD391.7050609@copperlionslair.com> From: CopperLion User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Tech Fest at ITT Technical Institute Portland campus X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 04:48:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 04:48:12 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:48:33 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 04:48:12 -0000 "TechFest is Oct.26 - 29 with the 29th being reserved for the Advisory Committee Luncheon and employer review of projects." "...would like to expand on OEVA at TechFest and what is possible - cars, literature, banner, other......?" I haven't had any more detailed information than this, but I've been trying to get specifics from Mary Packard, the contact at ITT Tech. I've told her that we need more detailed information to see who is available, what resources we can devote to it, and how we go about arranging some support from their end of things so we know what's going on. I'm sending her another email tonight to request information, which I will post as soon as I see a response. Assuming I get information in the next few days, is anyone marginally interested in this and have the days mentioned available for showing off EVs while talking to electronics students? -Kevin From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Thu Sep 30 22:26:28 2004 Received: from fr4.webmaillogin.com (fr4.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.68]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i915QQuZ013740 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [70.56.198.150] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO [70.56.198.149]) by fr4.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 17291378 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:26:25 -0400 Message-ID: <415CEA98.2000508@copperlionslair.com> From: CopperLion User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Tech Fest 2004 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 05:26:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 05:26:28 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:26:48 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 05:26:28 -0000 Here's a copy of my latest request for information from ITT Tech: > Here's the information I need for the OEVA so they can organize something for Tech Fest: > > 1- Times: specifically, you want them there from what time to what time with their vehicles. > 2- If we make the banners, booth, and literature available for the event, are we allowed to hand out the literature and set things up to promote the organization? We are not terribly evangelical, in that we > generally keep things low-key and aren't forcing any views on anyone. We believe in supporting environmentally friendly transportation, and we will not do anything intentionally to raise the ire of those who > believe differently. > 3- I assume we would be allowed access to the facilities for basic needs (restrooms and possibly the vending machines or some place to sit down for a while). Please correct me if I'm wrong in this > assumption. > 4- Will there be access to electricity for recharging vehicles? Most vehicles can charge with a standard 110V outlet, though a 220V outlet would allow some to charge faster. > 5- I will provide driving directions to the campus, but will there be any special instructions for our folks once they arrive? > > I will keep in touch, and let you know if there are any other questions that arise. > > Thanks, > -Kevin I forgot to mention in my previous post that the event will be held at the Portland campus of ITT Technical Institute. The campus is located on Columbia Blvd., at approximately 78th Ave. (there is no actual 78th Ave. cross street). If you follow 82nd Ave. North, turn on to Hwy 30 like you're headed to the airport, and loop back onto Columbia Blvd. Turn right, go through the light, and the campus is on the right hand side. If you take I-205, take the Columbia Blvd./Killingsworth exit, stick to the right lane and follow onto Columbia Blvd. The campus will be on the right hand side, shortly after the first actual traffic light, and just before the Collwood Golf Course. The actual address for those coming from other directions and wanting to get directions from MapQuest: 6035 NE 78th Ct. Portland, OR 97218 More details as I get them, -Kevin From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Fri Oct 1 10:57:06 2004 Received: from bk2.webmaillogin.com (bk2.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.98]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i91Hv4dv009888 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:57:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [159.121.28.62] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com) by bk2.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2b8) with HTTP id 11408461 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:57:02 -0400 From: To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2b8 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Tech Fest 2004-some details X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:57:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:57:07 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:57:02 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 17:57:07 -0000 Here's the response from Mary Packard at ITT Tech: Sorry it's taken so long to get this to you 1. TechFest will run Tues - THurs Oct 26 - 28 from 10am until 4pm for the open house - high school students and Friday from 11am - 3pm for the advisory committee luncheon and project review by employers. Any of those days you're welcome to be here. 2. I'm soliciting a number of professional organizations and robotic organizations. Everyone is welcome to hand our literature etc. 3. You can be both inside and out if you wish - cars outside and booth inside or however you want to set it up - just let me know. For outside I'll rope off a part of the parking lot - whatever space you need. 4. We'll probably have food available for high schools and are thinking of doing student appreciation days during TechFest so of course everyone is welcome. The only restriction would be the luncheon on Fri but usually that opens to faculty etc after the formal meeting and you would be welcome to that and it's really good. 4. There's got to be an outside outlet, but... we can always run a cord from the bookstore or AMT lab. 5. Once I know your anticipated space needs, I'll send a map with the space designated. Thanks so much for doing this - I think it will be a great show and interest for students and guests. From billdodds@hotmail.com Fri Oct 1 19:41:24 2004 Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f28.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.28]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i922fOwQ048843 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billdodds@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:24:01 -0700 Received: from 24.21.163.4 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:23:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.21.163.4] X-Originating-Email: [billdodds@hotmail.com] X-Sender: billdodds@hotmail.com From: "Bill Dodds" To: Oeva-list@oeva.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2004 02:24:01.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[E11E75F0:01C4A826] Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] (no subject) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:41:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:41:25 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:23:38 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:41:25 -0000

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> > --===============0017307480== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > --===============0017307480==-- > From mark.freidberg@netzero.net Sun Oct 3 10:46:51 2004 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id i93HkpKJ070123 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail06.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.146]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAYAQLBAU7EW8J for (sender ); Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:39:13 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mOJINeTfds3A1LAcN4872iekqkpnCKBo01lyGUi8p/GA Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) by webmail06.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J82LZQPT; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 10:38:42 PDT Received: from [64.136.26.228] by webmail06.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:38:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.228] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.net" To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041003.103842.25164.1126037@webmail06.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:2372092374 X-MAIL-INFO: 3498ed1195188cbcd9d86859addd48c8d518b5c97d614d68c569211c15c8099c5decb54dcc1915092589ec1c9cb80d19b1657d65358d6cb16d217ce50100ad65414c2c3c95e1f921b88139ed014175282c31359d759d59d13935bc1189cdf5ad48053175bc61acd9f8d1f1d1f55c1868e5b591f879f8dc38dcf1c91cc968c91c91e82569411ce90d0d65cd35b83d3d7c857c9d3505bc0505fc29001dbdad414c7d49a53c99452985b9c9b5988888f1c8f14db5686968181c154dac0de8095d555dac788c117c9d7cd9a8c8a8d8a8c8ddf868387dc8e89191254c8d00f92cbd411d811df985 Subject: [Oeva-list] Hillsdale branch library charging station update. X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:46:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:46:51 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:38:03 GMT X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:46:51 -0000 Hi fellow OEVA members, Earlier this year at one of our monthly meetings, mention was made of the new Hillsdale branch library ( www.multcolib.org/agcy/hls.html )and an EV charging station that was said to be there in a Multnomah Village Post article. I went over to the library to check this out. And yes, there is an EVI ICS-200 Conductive charging station located in the covered parking area. When you pull into the parking area, on the left-hand side is a parking space with the charging station mounted on the wall at the head of it. The charger was on, and appeared to be operational when I examined it. The problem is, it has an AVCON type paddle, so there is no way to just plug-in your regular 120/220 VAC plug into it unless you have an adaptor. A quickie Google search revealed some informative pages that hopefully are accurate and current. It looks like the E.A.A. has an adaptor available for sale that will support an interface to a 220V onboard charging system. It doesn't appear that interface to a 110V is possible. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/sparrow_ev/message/9305 http://eaaev.org/eaa_merchandise.html Best Regards, Mark Freidberg From gary.graunke@intel.com Wed Oct 13 12:38:57 2004 Received: from caduceus.jf.intel.com (fmr06.intel.com [134.134.136.7]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9DJcuQC050602 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:38:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from petasus.jf.intel.com (petasus.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.6]) by caduceus.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-outer.mc, v 1.15 2004/01/30 18:16:28 root Exp $) with ESMTP id i9DJcHjc003814 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:38:17 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by petasus.jf.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-inner.mc, v 1.11 2004/07/29 22:51:53 root Exp $) with SMTP id i9DJgIKO006998 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:42:18 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004101312384413977 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:38:44 -0700 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:38:42 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: October meeting Thread-Index: AcSpcT43og+XgaWoRHyW2H5tbANDVgH6jV1w From: "Graunke, Gary" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2004 19:38:42.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EDAC9D0:01C4B15C] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id i9DJcuQC050602 Subject: [Oeva-list] October meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:38:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:38:57 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:38:41 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:38:57 -0000 Just a reminder that we will be having our regular meeting tommorrow evening, Thursday October 14th. I don't have a large agenda this month. A number of us can report on the NEDRA nationals at Woodburn, and the discuss how best to appear at the ITT Tech Fest later this month (it's during the week). Since we have been spending a lot of time on awareness events, we should spend more time on project updates and question/answer time. Of course, any other agenda items are welcome. Please let us know if we need AV equipment (none planned so far). Gary From ejts@comcast.net Wed Oct 13 13:52:23 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9DKqJFx073763 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id A4E0D616011C; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:49:36 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] October meeting Message-Id: <131004287.49916@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:52:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:52:23 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:50:03 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:52:23 -0000 Thanks to Gary for taking care of this. I won't be at this meeting, but hopefully will be back on a more normal schedule by next month. Have fun! -- Eric >--- Original Message --- >From: "Graunke, Gary" > >Just a reminder that we will be having our regular meeting tommorrow >evening, Thursday October 14th. > >I don't have a large agenda this month. A number of us can report on the >NEDRA nationals at Woodburn, and the discuss how best to appear at the >ITT Tech Fest later this month (it's during the week). > >Since we have been spending a lot of time on awareness events, we should >spend more time on project updates and question/answer time. > >Of course, any other agenda items are welcome. Please let us know if we >need AV equipment (none planned so far). > >Gary From mark.freidberg@netzero.net Tue Oct 19 11:08:01 2004 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id i9JI80Mf052223 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:08:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail23.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.163]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAZLX9RAW4TLC2 for (sender ); Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mOJINeTfds3Aa0jon0w3YYvp9v9FudiHOR61QQz0O+Zx Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.net) by webmail23.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KABUYRLG; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:06:50 PDT Received: from [64.136.26.228] by webmail23.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:06:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.228] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.net" To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041019.110650.17015.150523@webmail23.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:24984202 Subject: [Oeva-list] NW Portland charging X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:08:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:08:02 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:06:43 GMT X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:08:02 -0000 Hi, Does anyone know of a convenient site to charge (110v a.c.) in close-in NW Portland (NW 21st/23rd ave. area)? Mark From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Thu Oct 21 15:41:29 2004 Received: from bk2.webmaillogin.com (bk2.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.98]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9LMfRGo087695 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:41:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [159.121.28.62] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com) by bk2.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2b8) with HTTP id 12054680 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:23 -0400 From: To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2b8 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] ITT TechFest October 26-28th X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:41:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:41:29 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:23 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:41:29 -0000 Is there a consensus as to which day the OEVA can be represented at the ITT TechFest? I will have to provide them with a response by Monday at the absolute latest. I know Gary said he had a preferred day during the meeting last week, but is that /the/ day? There will be outlets for charging available, and there will be room indoors for a booth so nobody's stuck freezing in the rain if the weather doesn't cooperate. If there are any questions or concerns, feel free to get in touch with a post to the board, or email me directly. Thanks- -Kevin Seeber --copperlion@copperlionslair.com From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Sun Oct 24 21:44:47 2004 Received: from fr4.webmaillogin.com (fr4.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.68]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9P4ikeb098411 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:44:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [70.56.198.150] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO [70.56.198.149]) by fr4.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP id 21782888 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:44:45 -0400 Message-ID: <417C8520.6050602@copperlionslair.com> From: CopperLion User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] ITT TechFest October 26-28th References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030106000103010004020202" X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:44:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:44:47 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:46:24 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:44:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030106000103010004020202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I remember correctly, Gary was thinking that the 26th would be best for him, and I heard no opposition or alternative suggestions. I will tell Mary Packard to expect the OEVA on the 26th. Who can make it to ITT Tech this Tuesday? Ross Olson wrote: >On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:23 -0400, Kevin wrote: > > >>Is there a consensus as to which day the OEVA can be >>represented at the ITT TechFest? I will have to provide >> >> > >Kevin, seeing as you are the primary contact, in a group like the >OEVA, unless you hear otherwise, you are in a position of being able >to choose the date and make sure everyone knows what that date, time >and location is. I'm more than happy to put it on the web site as >well, but in all reality, you can take this bull by the horns and make >it happen. > >Be the lead sheep. :) > >...Ross... > > > --------------030106000103010004020202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I remember correctly, Gary was thinking that the 26th would be best for him, and I heard no opposition or alternative suggestions. I will tell Mary Packard to expect the OEVA on the 26th. Who can make it to ITT Tech this Tuesday?

Ross Olson wrote: 
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:23 -0400, Kevin wrote:
  
Is there a consensus as to which day the OEVA can be
represented at the ITT TechFest? I will have to provide
    

Kevin, seeing as you are the primary contact, in a group like the
OEVA, unless you hear otherwise, you are in a position of being able
to choose the date and make sure everyone knows what that date, time
and location is. I'm more than happy to put it on the web site as
well, but in all reality, you can take this bull by the horns and make
it happen.

Be the lead sheep. :)

...Ross...
--------------030106000103010004020202-- From ejts@comcast.net Mon Nov 8 17:43:29 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iA91hMMJ013818 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id AFFE59340082; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:40:14 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <081104313.63779@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [Oeva-list] November OEVA meeting this Thursday X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:43:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:43:31 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:40:44 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:43:31 -0000 It's time again for our monthly meeting. All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting starts at 7:30PM. World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. I plan on being there this time, but have been too busy with other things to track activities. So, bring your interests and anything you have to share. See you there! Eric Johnson OEVA Co-chair From barnes.rick@comcast.net Thu Nov 11 05:29:59 2004 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iABDTxPv039204 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:29:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004111113244701100nbpmme>; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:24:48 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] November OEVA meeting this Thursday Message-ID: <000101c4c7f1$cf887990$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <081104313.63779@webbox.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id iABDTxPv039204 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:30:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:30:04 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:24:45 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:30:04 -0000 All: I will not be able to attend this month's meeting. Here is a quick Treasury Report: - 21 current members - The IRS promised to respond to our request for Tax Exempt status within 120 days. - I think Ralph is going to help set up direct deposit with the EAA Rick Barnes OEVA Treasurer -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Eric Johnson Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 5:41 PM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] November OEVA meeting this Thursday It's time again for our monthly meeting. All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting starts at 7:30PM. World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. I plan on being there this time, but have been too busy with other things to track activities. So, bring your interests and anything you have to share. See you there! Eric Johnson OEVA Co-chair _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From JRay3@aol.com Thu Nov 18 11:56:32 2004 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iAIJuVKc047455 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:56:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from JRay3@aol.com) Received: from JRay3@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.8c.1a18090f (16098) for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d26.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.167]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-3ee2419cfe662be; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:56:22 -0500 From: JRay3@aol.com To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1115AC25.74C6F3AB.0000E8BD@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 159.121.9.50 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] looking for 914 EV project owner X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:56:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:56:32 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:56:22 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:56:32 -0000 Hello All, Somebody displayed an incomplete Porsche 914 at EV awareness day this year. I'd appreciate a reference, as I've made contact with a motivated buyer, in case the owner's ever thought of selling that project..... Jay Donnaway From rolson@gmail.com Sun Nov 21 00:32:27 2004 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iAL8WQ5X052541 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:32:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so315782rne for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:32:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fpvJC/ktleaEcFxbU2+bUZkQEiQACCVChSDYGbHG7QWsYRdb9RIcyiauK+vEudiWkIEOCITmoWrWOmFsksEV9uNr2zm1I0tCI7Kinv5Oi2lH0HP3GCeCtxc+HCdZITVZsGjdWTDwFuWhNWZ3rDQqknysrx/w48GwsPH/N9x+kZY= Received: by 10.38.181.38 with SMTP id d38mr395750rnf; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:25:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.162.21 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:25:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: From: Ross Olson To: oeva-list@oeva.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] 2004 Woodburn Highlights Video X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ross Olson List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:32:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:32:27 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:25:40 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:32:27 -0000 Hey guys, after all that time, I've finally finished the highlights reel from the Woodburn event. I'm letting you all know about it now, so you've got all of Sunday to download the video now, before I announce it on the EVDL. I'll send that mail out Monday. This is my first real video that I've done since High school, so let me know what you think! http://www.oeva.org/events/woodburn2004/ ...Ross... From rolson@gmail.com Tue Nov 23 23:03:06 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.244]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iAO734pT077087 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:03:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id w67so151667cwb for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:03:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:mime-version:content-type:resent-cc:resent-date:message-id:resent-to:resent-message-id:x-image-url:subject:resent-from:date:to:x-mailer:from; b=QOMS69tqBUN6qoF6h/qVPlOFOnHr+arg2sAlxUyLKCGtFuYiBFWunFDsAL2RaVYlN42XPcvFtT98528IwwDObmHrlv8fDd6fzSTeraP30ltzPQQLWa97lN0+WIZqKev9nfM1k6Vp1i3bhDA1K57zxziw4zxrCwUotGl9p8B6l7E= Received: by 10.11.117.22 with SMTP id p22mr46906cwc; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.1.4? ([216.99.213.165]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id p77sm3094cwc; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:56:22 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Resent-Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:56:19 -0800 Message-Id: Resent-To: Eric Johnson Resent-Message-Id: <200411240341.iAO3fW1F034236@agora.rdrop.com> X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg Resent-From: R Olson To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@badseed.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) From: Mark Samples Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:03:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:03:07 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:41:32 -0800 (PST) X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:03:07 -0000 feedback: Greetings, We are coming to Oregon on a visit in May and we are trailering a "GEM" electric car with us. Do you know if its street legal? It has California plates on it. Thanks and hope to hear from you soon. Mark & Sherrill Samples From rolson@gmail.com Mon Nov 29 22:18:35 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iAU6IZJg021743 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:18:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id w67so269311cwb for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:18:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=p4PEMfvYpjmqFA5RV6ZAjydTharU3KnZK63igILrl1rBM3jcVTWKKsVHSmNWsGzoymCGpV17LdKq0zICminTZqgBSpZe2ANafakeF2qzeyuB9pMjscTS83OUkvmpbCGWPlMUV8suxoQ1fSsrE0cqgBcxG+ttH3bIzou82j5h2c4= Received: by 10.11.119.36 with SMTP id r36mr50906cwc; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.1.27? ([216.99.213.165]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id p77sm2407cwc; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:18:33 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: GEM Low Speed Vehicle X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:18:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:18:35 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:18:20 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:18:35 -0000 All of this forwarding stuff is getting a bit out of hand, but it looks like they're happy with the response. ...Ross... Begin forwarded message: > From: > Date: November 24, 2004 5:04:17 PM PST > Subject: Re: GEM Low Speed Vehicle > > Hi Rick, Thanks for your quick reply. Those rules apply here also so > it will be easy to abide by the Oregon rules. Thanks again and have > a great holiday season. Mark & Sherrill Samples > > From: "Rick Barnes" > >> You may drive your GEM in Oregon, on streets with a posted speed limit >> of 35 >> MPH or less. You are prohibited from driving in the bike lanes. >> >> Rick Barnes >> Aloha, OR >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Mark Samples >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:42 PM >> To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@badseed.org >> Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net >> >> >> feedback: Greetings, We are coming to Oregon on a visit in May and >> we >> are trailering a "GEM" electric car with us. Do you know if its street >> legal? It has California plates on it. Thanks and hope to hear from >> you soon. Mark & Sherrill Samples >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From ejts@comcast.net Sun Dec 5 19:20:23 2004 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iB63KMn2096592 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:20:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id AF20B119005A; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:16:48 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <051204340.69600@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [Oeva-list] No OEVA meeting in December X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 03:20:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 03:20:23 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:17:11 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 03:20:23 -0000 Just a reminder that, per "normal", we won't be having a meeting this Thursday. Meetings will resume next month on the usual second Thursday, January 13th. Everyone have a happy holiday season and we'll see you all next month. -- Eric Johnson OEVA Co-chair From rolson@gmail.com Fri Dec 10 16:00:34 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBB00Y0h076963 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u52so165067cwc for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CgghdNq5KyekLojysfVfGa/BOMXYFETkykggpSFKnfa+3JqWkQIsAATTRxxbPdS7zX4yG/fEWhOyDrHdIZImOKBiviIpr9/VFa/VEqOp17plrI6HKovtd3wM4x/vrY0R+59dG+7gzEp/lbIQjsvMI8AvIljE9Qqcgxtu9KcPwPY= Received: by 10.11.119.44 with SMTP id r44mr483981cwc; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.0.156? ([63.227.218.225]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id p77sm12509cwc.2004.12.10.16.00.32; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:33 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:00:30 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Cc: Dave Stensland Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:00:35 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:00:35 -0000 I got this thru the website. It looks good for everyone... ...Ross... Begin forwarded message: > From: Dave Stensland > Date: December 10, 2004 1:54:19 PM PST > Subject: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org > > feedback: > Hi, > > I've designed a T-shirt based on OEVA member Mark Mongillo's Fiamp. > I them in stock and they are available now... > http://www.megawattmotorworks.com/store/shop/item.asp?itemid=30 > > From rolson@gmail.com Fri Dec 10 17:13:09 2004 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.245]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBB1D9hX098162 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:13:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so128516cwb for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:13:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LgOylCfQZnb7p3cprryoISVnYIBmJj8+B506l+ncj3UN+GPORxLV+8Es0GEHTxUOGVqlkWbnBKP2VWKqDye0KRbYBkX4/qkRzAsiMgubqC+kyzbIMuQJtSRH4oMRyfGyFHvthi2pG065mkNVsuienqsWwvEFwCRK92QadBh5cbM= Received: by 10.11.122.78 with SMTP id u78mr570639cwc; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.0.156? ([63.227.218.225]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id v71sm43441cwb.2004.12.10.17.13.03; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:13:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:13:00 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 01:13:09 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 01:13:09 -0000 Begin forwarded message: > From: "David Stensland" > Date: December 10, 2004 4:26:44 PM PST > To: "'R Olson'" > Cc: > Subject: RE: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org > > Hi Ross, > > Thanks for forwarding this information to your list. > > If anyone's curious, Mark is well-aware and supportive of the concept. > I > mailed him a complimentary shirt today to thank him for the > inspiration. > > > The image is a wildly modified photo which was taken during the 2002 > NEDRA Nationals in Woodburn. > > -Dave Stensland, Owner > Megawatt Motorworks, LLC > http://www.megawattmotorworks.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: R Olson [mailto:rolson@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:01 PM > To: oeva-list@oeva.org > Cc: Dave Stensland > Subject: Fwd: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org > > I got this thru the website. It looks good for everyone... > > ...Ross... > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Dave Stensland >> Date: December 10, 2004 1:54:19 PM PST >> Subject: OEVA.org: rosso_badseed.org >> >> feedback: >> Hi, >> >> I've designed a T-shirt based on OEVA member Mark Mongillo's Fiamp. >> I them in stock and they are available now... >> http://www.megawattmotorworks.com/store/shop/item.asp?itemid=30 >> >> > > > > From Rick.Durst@pgn.com Mon Dec 27 12:35:26 2004 Received: from pgn.com (mail.pgn.com [198.107.240.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id iBRKZPdF099180 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:35:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rick.Durst@pgn.com) Received: from WIZ-MTA by pgn.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:15:05 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:14:42 -0800 From: "Rick Durst" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=__PartB6962A22.0__=" Subject: [Oeva-list] Battery Charger for sale X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:35:27 -0000 --=__PartB6962A22.0__= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend at PGE has a battery charger for sale any interest contact him directly Lester-Matic Charger 36 V Model 36LC25T12 13-2.5 Amps $25 Contact Jerry Todd 503-464-8584 Rick Durst 503-464-7631 --=__PartB6962A22.0__= Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Rick Durst
503-464-7631
--=__PartB6962A22.0__=-- From mark.freidberg@netzero.com Fri Dec 31 14:52:06 2004 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id iBVMq5OY051635 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:52:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail22.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.162]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA7MYAKAMW9RTS for (sender ); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:51:53 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mB+CFte9Ho8jw5WbFtQmm7dcEmwEC9p9w96PqBSyWHAP Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) by webmail22.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KF8CAEGP; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:51:28 PST Received: from [64.136.26.228] by webmail22.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:50:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.228] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.com" Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:50:48 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041231.145128.23644.132964@webmail22.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3834168243 Cc: mark.freidberg@netzero.com Subject: [Oeva-list] EV test drive anyone? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:52:06 -0000 Some of you have seen my 2-wheeler EV (www.egovehicles.com). Now I'm in the market for a 3 or 4-wheeler (and 4-season) EV. I'd like to get a feel for how a satisfactory or better quality one drives prior to making a purchase or conversion decision. Would anyone be willing to take me on a test drive in their EV? Driving or just riding along would be fine - and yes I am an insured driver. Mark From mark.freidberg@netzero.com Fri Dec 31 14:56:15 2004 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id iBVMuFGM052398 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:56:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail22.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.162]) by smtpout05.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA7MYH6AUVYEKA for (sender ); Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:55:56 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mB+CFte9Ho8jw5WbFtQmm7eUUtsmubdefsOaaa06+dsY Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) by webmail22.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KF8CHU3Q; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:55:33 PST Received: from [64.136.26.228] by webmail22.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:55:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.228] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.com" Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:55:17 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041231.145533.23644.133005@webmail22.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:496323842 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV for sale query X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:56:16 -0000 And if anyone has an EV they would like to part with let me know. Mark From Theoldcars@aol.com Sat Jan 1 13:49:04 2005 Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j01Ln3wb017571 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:49:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.78.6988fb4c (3310) for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:43:44 -0500 (EST) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <78.6988fb4c.2f087390@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:43:44 EST To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1104615824" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV for sale query (mark.freidberg@netzero.com) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:49:04 -0000 -------------------------------1104615824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Mark Jeff at _www.evbones.com_ (http://www.evbones.com) has some listed on his web site. The prices are very good less than what I paid for my 1997 Chevrolet S-10 EV. Don Blazer In a message dated 1/1/2005 12:01:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: EV for sale query (mark.freidberg@netzero.com) -------------------------------1104615824 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mark
 
Jeff at www.evbones.com&nbs= p;has=20 some listed on his web site. The prices are very good less than what I paid=20= for=20 my 1997 Chevrolet S-10 EV.
 
 
Don Blazer
 
In a message dated 1/1/2005 12:01:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>EV for=20 sale query (mark.freidberg@netzero.com)
 
-------------------------------1104615824-- From ejts@comcast.net Tue Jan 11 11:55:01 2005 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0BJt1q2077851 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:55:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id AC1F136800E0; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:42:23 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <11010511.42371@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:51:14 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] January OEVA meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:55:02 -0000 It's time again for our monthly meeting. Thursday, Jan. 13, 2005. All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting starts at 7:30PM. 2 World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. Gary has received some information from the city that he'll share with us. It's not too early to start thinking about the next EV Awareness Day. Ralph should have a couple donated plastic "Electric" emblems that we will figure out how to distribute. Be there or risk missing them. Please feel free to bring both information and questions. See you there! Eric Johnson OEVA Co-chair From gary@whitecape.org Tue Jan 11 21:02:51 2005 Received: from stallman.i.whitecape.org (sub25-166.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.25.166]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0C52oaS008464 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:02:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@whitecape.org) Received: from [192.168.0.19] (unknown [192.168.0.19]) by stallman.i.whitecape.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5127E24EF for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:36:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <41E4A7BF.4080505@whitecape.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:29:51 -0800 From: Gary Graunke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org References: <200501112001.j0BK1F0I079367@agora.rdrop.com> In-Reply-To: <200501112001.j0BK1F0I079367@agora.rdrop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 15, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:02:51 -0000 oeva-list-request@oeva.org wrote: > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > oeva-list@oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oeva-list-request@oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oeva-list-owner@oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. January OEVA meeting (Eric Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:51:14 -0800 > From: "Eric Johnson" > Subject: [Oeva-list] January OEVA meeting > To: oeva-list@oeva.org Thanks, Eric, for posting the meeting notice. If I remember, I may bring another useful EV-related item for a "door prize". While I suspect there may be a lot of project updates in our two months with holidays, I would also like to solicit presentations, or topics that you would like someone to talk about, for our meetings this year. Of course, feel free as always to bring "show and tell" items! For example, a timely topic might be "battery heaters", and the effects of cold temperatures on lead-acid and other batteries. (I was pretty amazed recently to see the difference in capacity after a few cycles from my 9 degree (C) garage to 25 degree (C) battery temperatures caused by a few charge cycles. I saw about 48% more AH when the Hawker AGM was warm! So let's think of topics that we would like to hear, and we'll try to come up with folks to present. Gary > Message-ID: <11010511.42371@webbox.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > It's time again for our monthly meeting. > > Thursday, Jan. 13, 2005. > > All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting > starts at 7:30PM. 2 World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW > Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and > provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available > just across 1st Ave. > > Gary has received some information from the city that he'll share > with us. It's not too early to start thinking about the next > EV Awareness Day. > > Ralph should have a couple donated plastic "Electric" emblems > that we will figure out how to distribute. Be there or risk > missing them. > > Please feel free to bring both information and questions. > > See you there! > Eric Johnson > OEVA Co-chair > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 15, Issue 3 > **************************************** From mark.freidberg@netzero.com Thu Jan 13 16:24:05 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0E0O4qd064120 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:24:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) Received: from webmail24.lax.untd.com (webmail24.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.164]) by smtpout01.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA8QEJSA7PRV9S for (sender ); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:23:44 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mB+CFte9Ho8jvXE9FAVtL0XbnkifnCiVH37nn9iTw5dl Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) by webmail24.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KG9YPC7J; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:23:01 PST Received: from [64.136.26.228] by webmail24.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:22:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.228] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.com" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:22:52 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050113.162301.22954.141441@webmail24.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3742589910 Subject: [Oeva-list] Topic ideas and OEVA cards X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:24:06 -0000 One topic of interest could be how to match motors, batts, and controllers. For instance, if an EVer purchased an EV that needed work and had just 1 or 2 of those 3 components working, how to select the remaining components to end up with a well-running EV. Another idea was maybe a brief summary of OEVA history: its origins, founding members, dates, timelines. Wouldn't need to be very elaborate. Will anyone be bringing OEVA business cards? Mark From Theoldcars@aol.com Thu Jan 13 23:42:52 2005 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0E7gpTt055448 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:42:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.1b8.a812443 (3850) for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:42:39 -0500 (EST) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <1b8.a812443.2f18d1ef@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 02:42:39 EST To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1105688559" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Panasonic LC-X1228AP X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:42:52 -0000 -------------------------------1105688559 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a link to the battery I was talking about. Don Blazer _http://www.panasonic-industrial.com/servlet/PB/menu/1046987_l2/index.html_ (http://www.panasonic-industrial.com/servlet/PB/menu/1046987_l2/index.html) In a message dated 1/12/2005 12:03:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request@oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-owner@oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 15, Issue 3 (Gary Graunke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:29:51 -0800 From: Gary Graunke Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 15, Issue 3 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-ID: <41E4A7BF.4080505@whitecape.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed oeva-list-request@oeva.org wrote: > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > oeva-list@oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oeva-list-request@oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oeva-list-owner@oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. January OEVA meeting (Eric Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:51:14 -0800 > From: "Eric Johnson" > Subject: [Oeva-list] January OEVA meeting > To: oeva-list@oeva.org Thanks, Eric, for posting the meeting notice. If I remember, I may bring another useful EV-related item for a "door prize". While I suspect there may be a lot of project updates in our two months with holidays, I would also like to solicit presentations, or topics that you would like someone to talk about, for our meetings this year. Of course, feel free as always to bring "show and tell" items! For example, a timely topic might be "battery heaters", and the effects of cold temperatures on lead-acid and other batteries. (I was pretty amazed recently to see the difference in capacity after a few cycles from my 9 degree (C) garage to 25 degree (C) battery temperatures caused by a few charge cycles. I saw about 48% more AH when the Hawker AGM was warm! So let's think of topics that we would like to hear, and we'll try to come up with folks to present. Gary > Message-ID: <11010511.42371@webbox.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > It's time again for our monthly meeting. > > Thursday, Jan. 13, 2005. > > All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting > starts at 7:30PM. 2 World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW > Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and > provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available > just across 1st Ave. > > Gary has received some information from the city that he'll share > with us. It's not too early to start thinking about the next > EV Awareness Day. > > Ralph should have a couple donated plastic "Electric" emblems > that we will figure out how to distribute. Be there or risk > missing them. > > Please feel free to bring both information and questions. > > See you there! > Eric Johnson > OEVA Co-chair > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 15, Issue 3 > **************************************** ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 15, Issue 4 **************************************** -------------------------------1105688559 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is a link to the battery I was talking about.
 
Don Blazer
 
http://www.panasonic-industrial.com/servlet/PB/menu/1046987_l2/index.= html
 
 
In a message dated 1/12/2005 12:03:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Send=20 Oeva-list mailing list submissions to
   =20 oeva-list@oeva.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide W= eb,=20 visit
    http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
= or,=20 via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
   =20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org

You can reach the person managing the li= st=20 at
    oeva-list-owner@oeva.org

When replying, please=20= edit=20 your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Oeva-lis= t=20 digest..."


Today's Topics:

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Message:=20 1
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:29:51 -0800
From: Gary Graunke=20 <gary@whitecape.org>
Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest, V= ol=20 15, Issue 3
To: oeva-list@oeva.org
Message-ID:=20 <41E4A7BF.4080505@whitecape.org>
Content-Type: text/plain;=20 charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed

oeva-list-request@oeva.org=20 wrote:
> Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to
>  =20   oeva-list@oeva.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via= the=20 World Wide Web, visit
>    =20 http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
> or, via email, sen= d a=20 message with subject or body 'help' to
>    =20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org
>
> You can reach the person manag= ing=20 the list at
>     oeva-list-owner@oeva.org
>
>= ;=20 When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>= ;=20 than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..."
>
>
> Today= 's=20 Topics:
>
>    1. January OEVA meeting (Eric=20 Johnson)
>
>
>=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
= >=20
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:51:14 -0800
>=20 From: "Eric Johnson" <ejts@comcast.net>
> Subject: [Oeva-list]= =20 January OEVA meeting
> To: oeva-list@oeva.org
Thanks, Eric, for=20 posting the meeting notice. If I remember, I may bring
another useful=20 EV-related item for a "door prize".

While I suspect there may be a=20= lot=20 of project updates in our two months
with holidays, I would also like=20= to=20 solicit presentations, or topics
that you would like someone to talk=20 about, for our meetings this year.
Of course, feel free as always to br= ing=20 "show and tell" items!

For example, a timely topic might be "batter= y=20 heaters", and the effects
of cold temperatures on lead-acid and other=20 batteries. (I was pretty
amazed recently to see the difference in capa= city=20 after a few cycles
from my 9 degree (C) garage to 25 degree (C) batter= y=20 temperatures caused
by a few charge cycles. I saw about 48% more AH wh= en=20 the Hawker AGM was
warm!

So let's think of topics that we would= =20 like to hear, and we'll try to
come up with folks to=20 present.

Gary

> Message-ID:=20 <11010511.42371@webbox.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>= =20
>
> It's time again for our monthly meeting.
>
>= ;=20 Thursday, Jan. 13, 2005.
>
> All is per normal. Gathering sta= rts=20 at 7:00PM and the meeting
> starts at 7:30PM. 2 World Trade Center a= t=20 1st and Salmon in SW
> Portland. The courtyard will be open to displ= ay=20 vehicles and
> provide some charging. The streetside charging will a= lso=20 be available
> just across 1st Ave.
>
> Gary has receiv= ed=20 some information from the city that he'll share
> with us.  It'= s=20 not too early to start thinking about the next
> EV Awareness=20 Day.
>
> Ralph should have a couple donated plastic "Electric= "=20 emblems
> that we will figure out how to distribute.  Be there=20= or=20 risk
> missing them.
>
> Please feel free to bring both= =20 information and questions.
>
> See you there!
> Eric=20 Johnson
> OEVA Co-chair
>
>
>
>
>=20
>
> ------------------------------
>
>=20 _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing=20 list
> Oeva-list@oeva.org
>=20 http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>
>
>=20= End=20 of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 15, Issue 3
>=20 ****************************************



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-------------------------------1105688559-- From barnes.rick@comcast.net Fri Jan 14 11:44:24 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0EJiO4X025084 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:44:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.115 ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200501141939120130091h6pe>; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:39:13 +0000 Received: from [134.134.136.2] by 204.127.197.115; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:39:10 +0000 From: barnes.rick@comcast.net To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:39:10 +0000 Message-Id: <011420051939.23703.41E81FDD000DBABF00005C972200735834050C079DD29C0A029D0E0D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: YmFybmVzLnJpY2tAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23703_1105731550_0" Subject: [Oeva-list] AGM Deep Cycle Batteries X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:44:24 -0000 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23703_1105731550_0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23703_1105731550_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23703_1105731550_1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anyone have any knowledge or experience with these batteries? Dynasty DCS-100L, also sold as Interstate DCS-100L. Group 29, 69 lbs, 100 A/Hr. I am considering a 10-pack, $129 each from the Interstate distributer in Vancouver, WA. http://www.dynastybattery.com/cd_dyn/products/batteries/dcs/dcs100l.htm http://www.ibsa.com/www_2001/content/products/specs/dcs100l.pdf What do you think? Rick Barnes 1986 Chevy Sprint "Cloud Conversion" Aloha, OR -------------- Original message -------------- Here is a link to the battery I was talking about. Don Blazer http://www.panasonic-industrial.com/servlet/PB/menu/1046987_l2/index.html --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23703_1105731550_1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Anyone have any knowledge or experience with these batteries? Dynasty DCS-100L, also sold as Interstate DCS-100L. Group 29, 69 lbs, 100 A/Hr.
I am considering a 10-pack, $129 each from the Interstate distributer in Vancouver, WA.
 
What do you think?
 
Rick Barnes
1986 Chevy Sprint "Cloud Conversion"
Aloha, OR
 
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Here is a link to the battery I was talking about.
 
Don Blazer
 
 
 
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23703_1105731550_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23703_1105731550_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: Theoldcars@aol.com To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Panasonic LC-X1228AP Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:45:41 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23703_1105731550_2" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23703_1105731550_2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23703_1105731550_2-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23703_1105731550_0-- From Theoldcars@aol.com Fri Jan 14 21:18:56 2005 Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0F5Iu2C053422 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:18:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.194.36429ee4 (3858) for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:18:49 -0500 (EST) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <194.36429ee4.2f1a01b8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:18:48 EST To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1105766328" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Chev S-10EV Battery replacement X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:18:57 -0000 -------------------------------1105766328 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted to know if anyone has done this or sees I am overlooking something? I have found new AGM Panasonic batteries LC-X1228P. They are 28 Ah and from everything I have read from Panasonic seem to be the very same battery as the EV EC 1260 except for the Ah rating. They are about half the size 165 x 125 x 179.5 the EC is 388 x 116 x 175. With a change in the direction they will fit in the existing battery box. The two that are by themselves are the only ones I am not sure of. The LC battery is about 3 tenths of an inch wider. I am assuming there is that much room there. What I am thinking of doing is taking 52 of the LC-X1228P and running them in 26 parallel pairs. This would provide 56 Ah that is just a little over 6% less Ah than the EC 1260. The pack would have the same 312 volts and it would also weigh about the same. What makes this so appealing is the new batteries can be had for 45 dollars each. To replace the whole pack would cost 2340 dollars plus shipping. In the report by Southern California Edison on 12-1999 the Pomona driving test data on the EC EV 1260 range new was 57.9 miles until the battery light came on. This was with one driver, no air and no load. If you take 6% off this you still have 54 miles under the same conditions. Other than a little extra wiring making parallel sets any one see a problem with doing this? Don Blazer -------------------------------1105766328 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I wanted to know if anyone has done this or sees I am overloo= king=20 something?
 
I have found new AGM Panasonic batteries LC-X1228P. They are=20= 28=20 Ah and from everything I have read from Panasonic seem to be the very same=20 battery as the EV EC 1260 except for the Ah rating. They are about half= the=20 size 165 x 125 x 179.5 the EC is 388 x 116 x 175. With a change in the direc= tion=20 they will fit in the existing battery box. The two that are by themselves ar= e=20 the only ones I am not sure of. The LC battery is about 3 tenths of an=20= inch=20 wider. I am assuming there is that much room there.
 
What I am thinking of doing is taking 52 of the LC-X1228P and running t= hem=20 in 26 parallel pairs. This would provide 56 Ah that is just a litt= le=20 over 6% less Ah than the EC 1260. The pack would have the same 312 volts=20 and it would also weigh about the same.  What makes this so=20 appealing is the new batteries can be had for 45 dollars each. To=20 replace the whole pack would cost 2340 dollars plus shipping.
 
In the report by Southern California Edison on 12-1999 the Pomona drivi= ng=20 test data on the EC EV 1260 range new was 57.9 miles until the battery light= =20 came on. This was with one driver, no air and no load. If you take 6% off th= is=20 you still have 54 miles under the same conditions.
 
Other than a little extra wiring making parallel sets any one see a pro= blem=20 with doing this?
 
Don Blazer
 -------------------------------1105766328-- From rmerwin@aracnet.com Sat Jan 15 09:54:11 2005 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:YhSNn/hraX6fRQvMHD7CIJaWGO/sCqZG@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0FHsAnX000271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:54:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0FHs4tu002723; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:54:04 -0800 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0FHs4Q3002721; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:54:04 -0800 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200501151754.j0FHs4Q3002721@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] AGM Deep Cycle Batteries To: barnes.rick@comcast.net Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:54:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <011420051939.23703.41E81FDD000DBABF00005C972200735834050C079DD29C0A029D0E0D@comcast.net> from "barnes.rick@comcast.net" at Jan 14, 2005 07:39:10 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:54:11 -0000 barnes.rick@comcast.net writes: > > Anyone have any knowledge or experience with these batteries? Dynasty > DCS-100L, also sold as Interstate DCS-100L. Group 29, 69 lbs, 100 A/Hr. > I am considering a 10-pack, $129 each from the Interstate distributer > in Vancouver, WA. > http://www.dynastybattery.com/cd_dyn/products/batteries/dcs/dcs100l.htm > http://www.ibsa.com/www_2001/content/products/specs/dcs100l.pdf > > What do you think? Rick, I couldn't find any information about these batteries in my mail archives. Have you talked to sales or tech support to see if they recommend them for EV applications? You could also try posting your question to the larger EV Discussion list. One thing I did notice on the web page was: Note: Batteries to be mounted with 0.5 in. (1.25 cm) spacing minimum and free air ventilation. When you talk to the sales/tech rep you might to ask if this requirement applies to all sides, the long sides, etc. Ralph From rmerwin@aracnet.com Sat Jan 15 10:25:01 2005 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:48SHw8GUFYzIvbzTjSY3lH8zH+bNBTlG@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0FIOxMt006400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:25:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0FHLJtu002109; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:21:19 -0800 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j0FHLIcx002107; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:21:18 -0800 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200501151721.j0FHLIcx002107@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Re: Chev S-10EV Battery replacement To: Theoldcars@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:21:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <194.36429ee4.2f1a01b8@aol.com> from "Theoldcars@aol.com" at Jan 15, 2005 12:18:48 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:25:02 -0000 Theoldcars@aol.com writes: > > What I am thinking of doing is taking 52 of the LC-X1228P and running them > in 26 parallel pairs. This would provide 56 Ah that is just a little over > 6% less Ah than the EC 1260. The pack would have the same 312 volts and it > would also weigh about the same. What makes this so appealing is the new > batteries can be had for 45 dollars each. To replace the whole pack would > cost 2340 dollars plus shipping. ... > Other than a little extra wiring making parallel sets any one see a problem > with doing this? Don, This sounds like a good approach. The pairs are known as "buddy pairs". I'm doing this on my car too, with 26 Optimas connected in 13 buddy pairs for a 156v pack. When you connect them, be sure to have the main cable between pairs enter and leave each pair on opposite 'corners', e.g the cable attaches to the + terminal of one battery in the pair and the cable leaves the pair from the - terminal of the other battery. The interconnects between batteries in a pair can be smaller because they only carry half the pack current, but it's usually easier to make everything the same. Unless the truck's battery management system expects the battery pack to have a 52ah capacity I would bet that it work just fine. You may get slightly less range than you're expecting because the pack weighs the same but has less capacity, but probably not that much less. Ralph From Theoldcars@aol.com Sat Jan 15 13:16:32 2005 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0FLGVfU042073 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:16:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.7b.3ca8befe (4418) for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:16:15 -0500 (EST) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.3ca8befe.2f1ae21f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:16:15 EST To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1105823775" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Dynasty > DCS-100L X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:16:32 -0000 -------------------------------1105823775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dynasty DCS-100L I looked at the web site. Looks like a good battery and a good price. I think what Ralph asked was great questions to get answers for. I would be curious also how long they have been making this battery. It would be nice to talk to someone who has for a while under service conditions that would be similar conditions to the draw the car is going to take. Maybe the salesman can find this out. Don Blazer -------------------------------1105823775 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I looked at the web site. Looks like a good battery and a good pri= ce.=20 I think what Ralph asked was great questions to get answers for.
 
I would be curious also how long they have been making this battery. It= =20 would be nice to talk to someone who has for a while under service condition= s=20 that would be similar conditions to the draw the car is going to take.=20 Maybe the salesman can find this out.
 
Don Blazer
-------------------------------1105823775-- From ejts@comcast.net Mon Feb 7 09:45:22 2005 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j17HjMUf047687 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id A81E73F60066; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:40:46 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <07020538.35099@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:41:09 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] February OEVA meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:45:23 -0000 It's time again for our monthly meeting. Thursday, Feb. 10, 2005. All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting starts at 7:30PM. 2 World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. We'd like to continue locating speakers for future meetings. If you have requests or contacts, please bring them. Please feel free to bring both information and questions. See you there! Eric Johnson OEVA Co-chair From ejts@comcast.net Fri Feb 11 16:51:01 2005 Received: from mail.webbox.com (mail.webbox.com [207.231.76.69]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j1C0p0pC049714 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:51:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@comcast.net) Received: from mauve [207.231.76.117] by mail.webbox.com (SMTPD32-8.12) id A1DCCB2C008A; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:46:20 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org CC: From: "Eric Johnson" Message-Id: <11020542.60638@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:46:44 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Item for the next OEVA meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:51:01 -0000 ChristinebHagerbaumer, Program Director of the Oregon Environmental Council, would like to tell us about the Council's programs. She estimates about 15 minutes and is available for the March 10th meeting. If noone has sheduled anyone else, or, if so, if we can spare 15 minutes, I think it might be nice to have her attend. Hopefully, she'll learn as much about us as we will about the OEC. I have her tentatively scheduled. If we have time and noone has objections, I'll confirm early next week. With this, we'll have a little something extra for the next three meetings, if everything works out. Eric Johnson Co-Chair, OEVA Portland, OR From dbsalzman@columbia-center.org Wed Feb 16 08:41:26 2005 Received: from colcenter.org ([198.69.102.242]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j1GGfPYk077054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:41:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbsalzman@columbia-center.org) Received: from [198.69.103.194] by columbia-center.org (MDaemon.PRO.v7.2.3.R) with ESMTP id md50002643573.msg for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:34:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9FD46800-8038-11D9-B746-000A27D968E0@columbia-center.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: oeva-list@oeva.org From: DAVE SALZMAN Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:34:27 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-Authenticated-Sender: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-Spam-Processed: colcenter.org, Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:34:34 -0800 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 198.69.103.194 X-Return-Path: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Segways X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:41:26 -0000 I talked to Luke Wilkenfeldt at SK Northwest 1447 NE Sandy Blvd. Portland, Or. 97232 503-238-2510 on the 15th to request a demonstration of the Segway HT. He has agreed to bringing a couple of them to our May 12th meeting for our inspection and possible testing. In the mean time if there are any questions contact Luke or myself. Dave From JRay3@aol.com Wed Feb 16 13:00:53 2005 Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j1GL0qYi045911 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:00:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from JRay3@aol.com) Received: from JRay3@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.a9.6d56aabf (16109) for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.132]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-3eed4213b47940; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:00:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:00:41 -0500 From: JRay3@aol.com To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <27E7F830.303DA991.0000E8BD@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 159.121.9.50 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 16, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:00:53 -0000 Great news on the Segways, Dave. While on my way out of town last Thursday evening right at meeting time, :-( I passed a shiny white Gizmo parked in the vicinity of 12th and Alder. Anybody know this potential OEVA member? Many thanks to Gary and Dan for their dead batteries to use in test-fitting my car. Cheers, Jay Donnaway From tony@notebene.net Mon Feb 21 14:13:50 2005 Received: from mxqueue.easystreet.com (mxqueue.newman.easystreet.com [206.102.12.9]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j1LMDnMv066642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:13:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (bond0.cpq071.bea1.easy.easystreet.com [10.32.10.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mxqueue.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DDE1692E for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1C036403F for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56485845EF7 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:46:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <421A5784.2050801@notebene.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:49:56 -0800 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Renault parts X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:13:50 -0000 Hi, I just got my EV back up and running and now I have a new problem. I inexplicable broke my windshield. Since it's a 1980 Renault none of the regular glass places have seen that in 7 years. Does anyone know someone that has an old Renualt they're parting out or so other contact for Renault parts? They man I was working with locally is very, very unreliable and sleazy, so I won't be contacting him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone you might think could help. Thanks Tony McCormick From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Mon Feb 21 17:23:40 2005 Received: from webmaillogin.com (fr4.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.68]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j1M1Ndmc013156 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:23:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [159.121.28.62] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com) by bk2.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2.8) with HTTP id 17479344 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:23:33 -0500 From: To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.8 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:23:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Ross was looking for a VW kit X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:23:40 -0000 Here's a link to one currently on eBay, though I'm not so sure about it. It's not the same as the ones usually found, and it may not work for the Ghia. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34202&item=4529535372&rd=1 A seller had several kits available about a month or two ago, but I haven't seen any in the last few weeks. I could drop a post when I see another one, if you'd like. -Kevin Seeber From tony@notebene.net Mon Feb 21 18:33:10 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j1M2X964027492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:33:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E393640B2; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F065845EB7; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:33:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <421A9AD7.2050702@notebene.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:37:11 -0800 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Ross was looking for a VW kit References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:33:10 -0000 I have a friend in portland that has a VW kit he bought and never used for sale. He can be contacted at sitdownbike@yahoo.com, his name is Mark Chapman. --Tony copperlion@copperlionslair.com wrote: > Here's a link to one currently on eBay, though I'm not so sure about > it. It's not the same as the ones usually found, and it may not work > for the Ghia. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34202&item=4529535372&rd=1 > > > A seller had several kits available about a month or two ago, but I > haven't seen any in the last few weeks. I could drop a post when I see > another one, if you'd like. > > -Kevin Seeber > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > From Theoldcars@aol.com Tue Feb 22 22:46:22 2005 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j1N6kLtW010171 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:46:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.193.3a1145dd (3924) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:41:00 -0500 (EST) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <193.3a1145dd.2f4d7f7b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:40:59 EST To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1109140859" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 16, Issue 5 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:46:22 -0000 -------------------------------1109140859 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Tony You are welcome to call my shop West Hills Carstar 503-245-9030 talk to manager David or JD and have them do a search for it. You can have it for our cost. We also deal with glass shops they may be able to find one. I will be in meetings most of the day tomorrow. I looked in Hemmings and see their is one Renault club. You might try contacting them 818-500-7638 or some of the other advertisers in Hemmings. I am more than happy to help anyone supporting the use of electric vehicles. It is not about making a profit. Don Blazer In a message dated 2/22/2005 1:35:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request@oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-owner@oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Renault parts (Tony McCormick) 2. Ross was looking for a VW kit (copperlion@copperlionslair.com) 3. Re: Ross was looking for a VW kit (Tony McCormick) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:49:56 -0800 From: Tony McCormick Subject: [Oeva-list] Renault parts To: OEVA Message-ID: <421A5784.2050801@notebene.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, I just got my EV back up and running and now I have a new problem. I inexplicable broke my windshield. Since it's a 1980 Renault none of the regular glass places have seen that in 7 years. Does anyone know someone that has an old Renualt they're parting out or so other contact for Renault parts? They man I was working with locally is very, very unreliable and sleazy, so I won't be contacting him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone you might think could help. Thanks Tony McCormick ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:23:33 -0800 From: Subject: [Oeva-list] Ross was looking for a VW kit To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Here's a link to one currently on eBay, though I'm not so sure about it. It's not the same as the ones usually found, and it may not work for the Ghia. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34202&item=4 529535372&rd=1 A seller had several kits available about a month or two ago, but I haven't seen any in the last few weeks. I could drop a post when I see another one, if you'd like. -Kevin Seeber ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:37:11 -0800 From: Tony McCormick Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Ross was looking for a VW kit To: OEVA Message-ID: <421A9AD7.2050702@notebene.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have a friend in portland that has a VW kit he bought and never used for sale. He can be contacted at sitdownbike@yahoo.com, his name is Mark Chapman. --Tony copperlion@copperlionslair.com wrote: > Here's a link to one currently on eBay, though I'm not so sure about > it. It's not the same as the ones usually found, and it may not work > for the Ghia. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34202&item=4529535372&rd=1 > > > A seller had several kits available about a month or two ago, but I > haven't seen any in the last few weeks. I could drop a post when I see > another one, if you'd like. > > -Kevin Seeber > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 16, Issue 5 -------------------------------1109140859 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Tony
 
You are welcome to call my shop West Hills Carstar 503-245-9030 ta= lk=20 to manager David or JD and have them do a search for it. You can have it for= our=20 cost. We also deal with glass shops they may be able to find one. I will be=20= in=20 meetings most of the day tomorrow. 
 
I looked in Hemmings and see their is one Renault club. You might try=20 contacting them 818-500-7638 or some of the other advertisers in=20 Hemmings. 
 
I am more than happy to help anyone supporting the use of electric=20 vehicles. It is not about making a profit.
 
Don Blazer
 
 
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Message:=20 1
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:49:56 -0800
From: Tony McCormick=20 <tony@notebene.net>
Subject: [Oeva-list] Renault parts
To: OEV= A=20 <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:=20 <421A5784.2050801@notebene.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;=20 charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed

Hi,
    I just g= ot my EV=20 back up and running and now I have a new problem.  
I=20 inexplicable broke my windshield.  Since it's a 1980 Renault none of=20
the regular glass places have seen that in 7 years.    = =20 Does anyone know
someone that has an old Renualt they're parting out o= r so=20 other contact
for Renault parts?    They man I was working w= ith=20 locally is very, very
unreliable and sleazy, so I won't be contacting=20 him.

Feel free to forward this email to anyone you might think coul= d=20 help.

Thanks
Tony=20 McCormick



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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:23:33 -0800
From:=20 <copperlion@copperlionslair.com>
Subject: [Oeva-list] Ross was=20 looking for a VW kit
To: oeva-list@oeva.org
Message-ID:=20 <web-17479344@bk2.webmaillogin.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;=20 charset=3D"ISO-8859-1"; format=3D"flowed"

Here's a link to one curr= ently on=20 eBay, though I'm not so
sure about it. It's not the same as the ones=20 usually
found, and it may not work for the=20 Ghia.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&= category=3D34202&item=3D4529535372&rd=3D1

A=20 seller had several kits available about a month or two
ago, but I have= n't=20 seen any in the last few weeks. I could
drop a post when I see another= =20 one, if you'd like.

-Kevin=20 Seeber


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Date= :=20 Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:37:11 -0800
From: Tony McCormick=20 <tony@notebene.net>
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Ross was looking for= a=20 VW kit
To: OEVA <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:=20 <421A9AD7.2050702@notebene.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;=20 charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed

I have a friend in portland t= hat has=20 a VW kit he bought and never used
for sale.  He can be contacted=20= at=20 sitdownbike@yahoo.com, his name is
Mark=20 Chapman.
--Tony

copperlion@copperlionslair.com wrote:

>= ;=20 Here's a link to one currently on eBay, though I'm not so sure about
&= gt;=20 it. It's not the same as the ones usually found, and it may not work
&= gt;=20 for the Ghia.
>
>=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D34= 202&item=3D4529535372&rd=3D1=20
>
>
> A seller had several kits available about a month= or=20 two ago, but I
> haven't seen any in the last few weeks. I could dr= op a=20 post when I see
> another one, if you'd like.
>
> -Kevi= n=20 Seeber
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([63.227.218.225]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id g2sm248280wra.2005.02.26.12.24.15; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:24:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <11020542.60638@webbox.com> References: <11020542.60638@webbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C771416-8834-11D9-9A66-00039344DDD6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Item for the next OEVA meeting Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:24:32 -0800 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:31:03 -0000 Eric, was this confirmed? ...Ross... On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Eric Johnson wrote: > > ChristinebHagerbaumer, Program Director of the Oregon Environmental > Council, would like to tell us about the Council's programs. > > She estimates about 15 minutes and is available for the March > 10th meeting. > > If noone has sheduled anyone else, or, if so, if we can spare > 15 minutes, I think it might be nice to have her attend. Hopefully, > she'll learn as much about us as we will about the OEC. I have > her tentatively scheduled. If we have time and noone has objections, > I'll confirm early next week. > > With this, we'll have a little something extra for the next three > meetings, if everything works out. > > Eric Johnson > Co-Chair, OEVA > Portland, OR > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From ejts@netzero.net Tue Mar 8 09:47:34 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j28HlX9J037147 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:47:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail27.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.167]) by smtpout02.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBC526AAB957J2 for (sender ); Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:40:16 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qgofRRr1ZNAPNDTibbmjvK4LOUTOp51dRA== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail27.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KMLA3DKZ; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:39:32 PST Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail27.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 17:38:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 17:38:42 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050308.093932.16035.88209@webmail27.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:3496368290 Subject: [Oeva-list] This week's OEVA meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:47:34 -0000 It's time again for our monthly meeting. Thursday, Mar. 10, 2005. All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting starts at 7:30PM. 2 World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. We will have a short presentation by Christine Hagerbaumer, Program Director of the Oregon Environmental Council. She will be glad to answer questions about their group and its programs. Please feel free to bring both information and questions. While I have been sick recently with the currently popular respitory flu, I'm doing well enough to be quite sure I'll be there. See you there! Eric Johnson OEVA Co-chair From JRay3@aol.com Tue Mar 8 11:37:17 2005 Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j28JbG2P066387 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from JRay3@aol.com) Received: from JRay3@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id 6.15d.4c2c0205 (16097) for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d22.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.163]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee1422dfee22ab; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:37:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:37:06 -0500 From: JRay3@aol.com To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5053FA8B.16C5F919.0000E8BD@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 159.121.9.50 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Surplus Nicads: Group Buy? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:37:17 -0000 Howdy all, Those of you watching the EVDL may have noticed that Tim Humphrey has a bunch of new old stock military surplus BB600 nicads available. A whole bunch, like 9000 cells! Hump's raising cash to pay the auctioneer and shipping, so: -snip- Those who pay for a purchase prior to my actually having them in my possession will receive them at the $1.00 per cell rate. For purchases made after that, well, the price will at least double. They are 1.2 volts and 34ah per cell. The cells used are 9 13/32 inches high, 3 9/64 inches wide, and 1 25/64 inches deep. Each cell weighs approximately 3 1/2 pounds They will be shipped to you from Blossvale, NY. 13308 -end snip- So, I'm seriously considering a pack. I'd appreciate input from those of you who have flooded nicad experience @ issues like the frequency of watering required, how many spares I should order in order to keep the pack together long-term, etc.. Also, to get the freight rate down, is anyone interested in going together for a group buy? I can buy one skid, but several more would help. Perhaps we can put together an order during the club meeting on Thursday. Regards, Jay Donnaway From gary@whitecape.org Thu Mar 10 17:55:42 2005 Received: from stallman.i.whitecape.org (sub25-166.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.25.166]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2B1tdK3028309 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:55:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@whitecape.org) Received: from [192.168.0.19] (unknown [192.168.0.19]) by stallman.i.whitecape.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B1313F41B for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:40:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4230F57A.1050605@whitecape.org> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:33:46 -0800 From: Gary Graunke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] [Fwd: 4th EVer EAA Chapters Conference Update] X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:55:42 -0000 I'm planning on going... Gary -------- Original Message -------- Subject: 4th EVer EAA Chapters Conference Update Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:32:19 -0500 From: Jerry Asher To: , , , CC: Cheers Ralph, Gary, Tony, and the Rest of the Oregon EVA - First, here's the latest *AustinEV update* *from the** Co-Chairs, Mark Farver and Aaron Choate for distro and posting. They are presenting the following Program Schedule for the 4th EVer Electric Auto Association Chapters Conference: * */_Thursday, March 31_/* Noon -- 6pm /Live Oaks Civic Center/ (Live Oaks, TX) Show move-in. /_*Friday, April 1st*:_/ 9am -- Noon /Live Oaks Civic Center/ (Live Oaks, TX) Show move-in. 10am -- 6pm /Live Oaks Civic Center/ (Live Oaks, TX ) AustinEV /Green Building Doors open to the public. Ride and drive, e-bikes, Dynasty NEVs and home conversions Noon -- 7pm EAA guests arriving at Austin Bergstrom Airport 7pm --10pm *BBQ Dinner for EAA guests and AustinEV members at Mark Farver's home* - (N Central Austin). /_*Saturday, April 2nd*:_/ 8am N Austin - EAA guests meet up for transportation to Civic Center 10am -- 6pm Live Oaks Civic Center AustinEV/Green Building Show - Doors open to the public. Ride and drive, e-bikes, Dynasty NEVs and home conversions. Special Note: EAA Chairman, Ron Freund, will conduct a EV charging ctation workshop with time TBD. 7pm *Dinner for EAA guests near Civic Center* /_*Sunday, April 3rd*:_/ 9am N Austin - EAA guests meet transportation to Austin Energy 10am -- 4pm *Austin Energy* (721 Barton Creek, Austin TX) 4th EVer EAA Chapter Conference speakers: Charging infrastructure; EAA Chapter organization; Development of the Tango by Brian Woodbury, EV breakout sessions for motors, batteries, webmasters, EV1 Vigil, Distribution of Dr. Andy Frank's slide presentation on Plug-in Hybrids from the 3rd EVer ..., and other EV related topics. *Note:* check www.austinev.org for program updates. /_ *Monday, April 4th*_/ EAA guests depart. */__/* */_4th EVer EAA Chapters Conference Registration & Instructions_/* * Special Note: If you haven't already confirmed your coming to Austin with 4th EVer... Co-Chairs, Mark Farver and Aaron Choaste, please do go to the AustinEV website: **www.austinev.org **and do so. Or email or phone Mark straight away as noted below.* * _Airport:_* ** First, AustinEV recommends flying into Austin Bergstrom Airport (AUS). AustinEV recommends planning to arrive in Austin between noon and 7pm on Friday April 1st. We will have shuttle service from the airport to the Friday dinner running from about 3pm till 7pm. Return flights should be planned for Sunday late afternoon, but preferably on Monday morning. Vehicles are also available to rent at the airport. Please send an email at *4eaa@austinev.org* or call* 512-587-5639* with your exact travel arrangments and we will attempt to accomodate. _*Transportation*:_ Carpooling and shuttle service will be available to all events and to/from the airport ** _*Housing Accommodations / Hotel Recommendations*:_ AustinEV members have opened their homes for a limited number of EAA guests. *Please contact us in advance*. AustinEV recommends either the nearby Holiday Inn Express (512)467-1701 or the less expensive Motel 6 (512) 837-9890. *_Vehicles:_* Nearby visitors are encouraged to bring their electric or hybrid vehicles to the show. You can show the vehicle both days or only Saturday. AustinEV will have members present all day on both days and for overnight security at the show location. Secondly, EVJerry Asher,* your* *EAA Chapters Relations - East* adds a few more notes of interest on program and those who are planning on attending the 4th EVer...: _First_, please be aware that the *program schedule* while smooth may not be final, since efforts to get various keynote speakers may require flexibility. For example, should an *EV1 Vigil* speaker or two show up in order to share efforts in Burbanks, CA to keep GM from crushing some 70 EV1s, flexibility would be in order. (Do visit the EV1 Vigil websites: *www.SaveEV1.org* and *www.EV1@org* for further details). _Second_, here's a *running tally* of those expressing an interest as planning on attending the *4th EVer* ... in Austin. */EAA Board of Directors:/* 1. Ron Freund, EAA Chairman from the San Jose Chapter 2. EVJerry Asher, EAA Chapters Relations - East from the Phoenix Chapter 3. Marc Keller, new EAA Board Member & VP of the San Francisco Chapter 4. Jerry Porhorsky, new EAA Treasurer and President of the Silicon Valley Chapter 5. Earl Killian, new EAA Board from the Silicon Valley Chapter 6. Dennis Brandenburg, new EAA Board Secretary from the Silicon Valley Chapter */EAA Chapter President/RepresentativesName/Chapter/Phone & Email address - The 4th EVer ... Running Tally:/* 1. Terry Wilson, EAA Historian from San Jose EAA (pending) 2. Ed Thorpe, EAA */Current EVents/* Editor from East Bay EAA 3-5. Dale Brooks, Houston EAA President with Ken and Ben from Houston EAA 6. Dave "Goldie" Goldstein, EVA/DC President (pending) 7-8. Jim & Elaine Stack, Phoenix EAA Presidential Couple, 9. Karen Bauernschmidt, Phoenix EAA Member 10. Ed Heron, Albuquerque EAA Treasurer/Webmaster 11. Sherry Boschert, San Francisco EAA President 12. Richard Furniss, Las Vegas EVA Webmaster 13. Donald Buckshot, MidAmerica EAA President 14. Scott Cornell, East Bay EAA President 15. Doug Canfied, N.Texas EAA Member 16. Paul Schaffer, past N.Texas EAA President 17. Alan Poulsen, EVCouncil of Ottawa EAA Rep 18. Graham Hill, Denver EV Council President (DEVC's a prospective EAA re-alignment) 19. Gary Graunke, Oregon EVA Rep 20. Ken Vansickle, EVA of San Diego Rep ... And dozens of Austin Area EV'rs, of course, also await your arrival! So please come to the warm and hospitable clime of Austin, Texas, yes? Aloha, Vayanse con Dios, and See all y'all in Texas, come April "No Kidding" 1st, AZ EVJerry Asher Chapters Relations East Electric Auto Association Post Office Box 651 Bisbee, AZ 85603 (520) 432-3227 - Home (202) 486-5450 - Evening/Weekend Cell From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Fri Mar 11 09:34:05 2005 Received: from webmaillogin.com (fr3.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.67]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2BHY4UE033216 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:34:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [70.56.198.150] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO [70.56.198.149]) by fr3.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 50319123 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:33:52 -0500 Message-ID: <4231D6DE.1050507@copperlionslair.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:35:26 -0800 From: CopperLion User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] VW conversion kits X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:34:05 -0000 A couple of VW kits showed up on eBay. I remember that Ross was looking for something like these: 7-inch kit: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34202&item=4534607219&rd=1 8-inch kit: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34202&item=4534614459&rd=1 These kits include motor and adapter kit. They would require batteries, battery boxes, controller, and charger. It's been a while since I've seen a VW kit that included the controller, but I do remember seeing them on eBay before. For the price, these don't appear to be bad kits, as far as I can tell. -Kevin From barnes.rick@comcast.net Sat Mar 12 09:51:49 2005 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2CHphPL076871 for ; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:51:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20050312174450011005l5qme>; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:44:51 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: "'CopperLion'" , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] VW conversion kits Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:43:58 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c5272b$12aa39f0$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <4231D6DE.1050507@copperlionslair.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j2CHphPL076871 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:51:49 -0000 The Prestolite motor looks exactly like the one on my Chevy Sprint. Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of CopperLion Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:35 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] VW conversion kits A couple of VW kits showed up on eBay. I remember that Ross was looking for something like these: 7-inch kit: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34202&item =4534607219&rd=1 8-inch kit: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34202&item =4534614459&rd=1 These kits include motor and adapter kit. They would require batteries, battery boxes, controller, and charger. It's been a while since I've seen a VW kit that included the controller, but I do remember seeing them on eBay before. For the price, these don't appear to be bad kits, as far as I can tell. -Kevin _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From tony@notebene.net Sun Mar 13 19:01:33 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2E31WJa056513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:01:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7C96DC09C for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C285E845EB7 for ; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:01:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4234FF56.7020500@notebene.net> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:04:54 -0800 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Gppd article on Tax breaks for EVs etc... X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 03:01:33 -0000 Here's an article you may be interested in: http://biz.yahoo.com/brn/050309/9775_1.html Pure EV's can get a $4000 tax credit... better than a deductuction. -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html From chrish@oeconline.org Mon Mar 14 14:50:09 2005 Received: from oecbrain.orcouncil.local (mail.oeconline.org [67.154.186.146]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2EMo80o004387 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:50:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chrish@oeconline.org) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C528E7.39CA25B0" Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:43:22 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Oregon Senate Hearing on California's Tailpipe Standards: March 25, Portland Thread-Index: AcUo5joRHWsyA6ohSVOD6ifu6CosFg== From: "Chris Hagerbaumer" To: Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon Senate Hearing on California's Tailpipe Standards: March 25, Portland X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:50:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C528E7.39CA25B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was a pleasure to address the OEVA at your March 10 meeting. Thanks for having me. Below is an action alert related to the March 25 hearing on California's tailpipe standards. =20 Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director Oregon Environmental Council 222 NW Davis Street, Suite 309 Portland, OR 97209-3900 503-222-1963 x102=20 chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org ~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy environment~ =20 =20 Support Clean Cars in Oregon! =20 What: Attend a hearing of the Senate Environment & Land Use Committee in Portland on March 25. At this hearing, experts will speak on the Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions and Senate Bill 344, which requires Oregon to adopt California's clean car auto emission standards. Public testimony is encouraged. A large turnout will indicate to state lawmakers that Oregonians want cleaner cars and other global warming solutions. =20 Where: Portland State University, Smith Memorial Student Union, Vanport Room, 1825 SW Broadway, Portland =20 When: Friday, March 25, 10 AM =20 Background =20 Last year, Governor Kulongoski convened an Advisory Group on Global Warming to advise him on actions Oregon should take to combat global warming and accelerate the development of clean, renewable energy. In December, the Advisory Group completed its Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions. The proposed strategy will set Oregon on the path to deep reductions in global warming pollution while rewarding us with all the health, economic and ecosystem benefits that come with climate protection.=20 =20 One of the Advisory Group's recommendations is to adopt California's clean car auto emission standards, which will cut greenhouse gas emissions from cars and trucks by an average of 30% by 2016. This recommendation will be deliberated at the March 25 hearing. The clean car standards will also reduce dangerous auto emissions that cause cancer and aggravate our children's already high rates of asthma. With California's clean car standards we'll get more hybrids and other advanced auto technologies on our car lots quicker. =20 =20 For more information on California's clean car standards (including sample letters) visit the Clean Cars for Washington website: www.cleancarswashington.org . (This website by clean car advocates in Washington State is relevant to Oregon, as well.) =20 The Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions is available on the Oregon Department of Energy's website: http://egov.oregon.gov/ENERGY/. =20 If you can't attend the hearing, communicate your support for SB 344 to your state legislators and Governor Kulongoski. Learn how to contact your legislators at www.leg.state.or.us/citizenguide. Submit your comments to the Governor at http://governor.oregon.gov/Gov/contact_us.shtml. =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C528E7.39CA25B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It was a pleasure to address the OEVA at your March = 10 meeting.  Thanks for having me.  Below is an action = alert related to the March 25 hearing on California’s tailpipe standards.

 

Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director
Oregon Environmental Council
222 NW = Davis Street, Suite 309
Portland, = OR 97209-3900

503-222-1963 x102

chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org

~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy = environment~

 

 

Support Clean Cars = in Oregon!<= /h2>

 

What:  Attend a hearing of the = Senate Environment & Land Use Committee = in Portland on = March 25.  At this hearing, = experts will speak on the Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions and Senate = Bill 344, which requires Oregon to adopt = California’s = clean car auto emission = standards.  Public testimony is encouraged.  A large = turnout will indicate to state lawmakers that Oregonians want cleaner cars and other global = warming solutions.

 

Where: =  Portland State University, Smith Memorial = Student Union, Vanport Room, 1825 SW Broadway, Portland

 

When: =  Friday, March 25, 10 AM

 

Background

 

Last year, Governor Kulongoski = convened an Advisory Group on Global Warming to advise him on actions Oregon should take to combat global = warming and accelerate the development of clean, renewable energy. In December, the Advisory Group completed its Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions.  The proposed strategy will set Oregon on the path to deep = reductions in global warming pollution while rewarding us with all the health, = economic and ecosystem benefits that come with climate protection. =

 

One of the Advisory Group’s recommendations is to adopt California’s clean car auto emission standards, = which will cut greenhouse gas emissions from cars and trucks by an average of 30% = by 2016.  This recommendation will be deliberated at the March 25 hearing.  = The clean car standards will also reduce dangerous auto emissions that cause cancer and aggravate our children's = already high rates of asthma.  With California’s clean car = standards we’ll get more hybrids and other advanced auto technologies on our = car lots quicker. 

 

For more information on California’s clean car standards (including sample letters) visit the Clean Cars for = Washington = website: www.cleancarswashington.org<= /a>. (This website by clean car advocates in Washington State is relevant to = Oregon, as = well.)

 

The Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse = Gas Reductions is available on the Oregon Department of Energy’s = website: http://egov.oregon.gov/ENERGY/.

 

If you can’t attend the = hearing, communicate your support for SB 344 to your state legislators and = Governor Kulongoski.  Learn how to contact your legislators at www.leg.state.or.us/citi= zenguide. Submit your comments to the Governor at http://governor.= oregon.gov/Gov/contact_us.shtml.  

 

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C528E7.39CA25B0-- From jrab@e-m-w.com Tue Mar 15 02:10:45 2005 Received: from e-m-w.com (dhmail01.dollarhost.com [65.61.221.201]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2FAAjOs038920 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:10:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrab@e-m-w.com) Received: from [192.168.1.2] [203.79.97.218] by e-m-w.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A2B21B310072; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 02:02:26 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:04:29 +1300 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon Senate Hearing on California's Tailpipe Standards: March 25, Portland From: John RA Benson To: Chris Hagerbaumer , Oregon EV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3193772671_27745078" Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:10:46 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3193772671_27745078 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I=B9m sorry I couldn=B9t be there. It=B9s great to get this initiative moving forward. However, I=B9m curious if this moves ahead, would that mean the idiotic extra registration tax EV=B9s pay in Oregon would be repealed? They make such a nice rationalization of it here: http://www.energy.state.or.us/trans/Registrationfees.htm jrab On 3/15/05 11:43 AM, "Chris Hagerbaumer" wrote: > It was a pleasure to address the OEVA at your March 10 meeting. Thanks f= or > having me. Below is an action alert related to the March 25 hearing on > California=B9s tailpipe standards. > =20 > Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director > Oregon Environmental Council > 222 NW Davis Street, Suite 309 > Portland, OR 97209-3900 > 503-222-1963 x102 > chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org > ~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy environment~ >=20 > =20 > =20 > Support Clean Cars in Oregon! > =20 > What: Attend a hearing of the Senate Environment & Land Use Committee in > Portland on March 25. At this hearing, experts will speak on the Oregon > Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions and Senate Bill 344, which require= s > Oregon to adopt California=B9s clean car auto emission standards. Public > testimony is encouraged. A large turnout will indicate to state lawmaker= s > that Oregonians want cleaner cars and other global warming solutions. > =20 > Where: Portland State University, Smith Memorial Student Union, Vanport = Room, > 1825 SW Broadway, Portland > =20 > When: Friday, March 25, 10 AM > =20 > Background > =20 > Last year, Governor Kulongoski convened an Advisory Group on Global Warmi= ng to > advise him on actions Oregon should take to combat global warming and > accelerate the development of clean, renewable energy. In December, the > Advisory Group completed its Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reduction= s. > The proposed strategy will set Oregon on the path to deep reductions in g= lobal > warming pollution while rewarding us with all the health, economic and > ecosystem benefits that come with climate protection. > =20 >=20 > One of the Advisory Group=B9s recommendations is to adopt California=B9s clea= n car > auto emission standards, which will cut greenhouse gas emissions from car= s and > trucks by an average of 30% by 2016. This recommendation will be delibera= ted > at the March 25 hearing. The clean car standards will also reduce danger= ous > auto emissions that cause cancer and aggravate our children's already hig= h > rates of asthma. With California=B9s clean car standards we=B9ll get more hy= brids > and other advanced auto technologies on our car lots quicker. >=20 > =20 >=20 > For more information on California=B9s clean car standards (including sampl= e > letters) visit the Clean Cars for Washington website: > www.cleancarswashington.org . (This > website by clean car advocates in Washington State is relevant to Oregon,= as > well.) >=20 > =20 > The Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions is available on the Ore= gon > Department of Energy=B9s website: http://egov.oregon.gov/ENERGY/. > =20 > If you can=B9t attend the hearing, communicate your support for SB 344 to y= our > state legislators and Governor Kulongoski. Learn how to contact your > legislators at www.leg.state.or.us/citizenguide > . Submit your comments to the > Governor at http://governor.oregon.gov/Gov/contact_us.shtml. > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >=20 --B_3193772671_27745078 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon Senate Hearing on California's Tailpipe Stand= ards: March 25, Portland I’m sorry I could= n’t be there. It’s great to get this initiative moving forward. = However, I’m curious if this moves ahead, would that mean the idiotic = extra registration tax EV’s pay in Oregon would be repealed?  
They make such a nice rationalization of it here:
http://w= ww.energy.state.or.us/trans/Registrationfees.htm

jrab


On 3/15/05 11:43 AM, "Chris Hagerbaumer" <chrish@oeconline.org= > wrote:

It was a pleasure to address the OEVA at your March 10 mee= ting.  Thanks for having me.  Below is an action alert related to = the March 25 hearing on California’s tailpipe standards.
 
Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director
Oregon Environmental Council
222 NW Davis Street,  Suite 309
Portland, OR  97209-3900
503-222-1963 x102
chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org <http://www.oeconline.org>
~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy environment~
 
Support Clean Cars in Oregon!
What:  Attend a hearing of the Senate Environment & Land Use Committee in = Portland on March 25.  At this = hearing, experts will speak on the Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reduct= ions and Senate Bill 344, which requires Oregon to adopt California’s = clean car auto emission standards.  = ;Public testimony is encouraged.  A large turnout will indicate to stat= e lawmakers that Oregonians want cleaner cars and other global warming solut= ions.
Where:  Portland S= tate University, Smith Memorial Student Union, Vanport Room, 1825 SW Broadwa= y, Portland
When:  Friday, Mar= ch 25, 10 AM
Background
Last year, Governor Kulongoski convened an Advisory Group on Global Warming= to advise him on actions Oregon should take to combat global warming and ac= celerate the development of clean, renewable energy. In December, the Adviso= ry Group completed its Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions.  = The proposed strategy will set Oregon on the path to deep reductions in glob= al warming pollution while rewarding us with all the health, economic and ec= osystem benefits that come with climate protection.
 
 One of the Advisory Group’s recommendations is to adopt Cal= ifornia’s clean car auto emission standards, which will cut greenhouse= gas emissions from cars and trucks by an average of 30% by 2016. This recom= mendation will be deliberated at the March 25 hearing.  The clean car s= tandards will also reduce dangerous auto emissions that cause cancer and agg= ravate our children's already high rates of asthma.  With California= 217;s clean car standards we’ll get more hybrids and other advanced au= to technologies on our car lots quicker.  
For more information on California’s clean car standards (i= ncluding sample letters) visit the Clean Cars for Washington website: www.cl= eancarswashington.org <http= ://www.cleancarswashington.org/> . (This website by clean car advocat= es in Washington State is relevant to Oregon, as well.)
The Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions is available on the Orego= n Department of Energy’s website: http://egov.oregon.gov/ENERGY/.
 
If you can’t attend the hearing, communicate your support for SB 344 = to your state legislators and Governor Kulongoski.  Learn how to contac= t your legislators at www.leg.state.or.us/citizenguide <http://www.leg.state.or.us/citizenguide>= . Submit your comments to the Governor at http://governor.oregon.gov/Gov/contact_us.shtm= l.  
 
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 --B_3193772671_27745078-- From chrish@oeconline.org Tue Mar 15 08:55:46 2005 Received: from oecbrain.orcouncil.local (mail.oeconline.org [67.154.186.146]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2FGthhi025469 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:55:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chrish@oeconline.org) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C52980.962639F0" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Oregon Senate Hearing on California's TailpipeStandards: March 25, Portland Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:01:10 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Oeva-list] Oregon Senate Hearing on California's TailpipeStandards: March 25, Portland Thread-Index: AcUpRy0bEgiTm8ArTSaFrK0/rpOkUQAN7jww From: "Chris Hagerbaumer" To: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:55:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52980.962639F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, John: =20 The so-called "hybrid penalty" that was enacted by the 2001 Oregon Legislature was eliminated by the 2003 Oregon Legislature, in part due to the Oregon Environmental Council's lobbying efforts. In 2001, lawmakers passed a bill to charge hybrid gas-electric and electric vehicle owners twice what conventional passenger vehicle owners pay to register their cars. The 2003 transportation funding package, HB 2041, equalized the registration fees, raising the fee for regular passenger vehicles from $15 to $27 per year and reducing the fee for hybrid and electric vehicles from $30 to $27 per year. =20 I'm surprised that ODOE's website still talks about it. By the way, ODOE's website has a new address: http://egov.oregon.gov/ENERGY/ =20 =20 -Chris ________________________________ From: John RA Benson [mailto:jrab@e-m-w.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:04 AM To: Chris Hagerbaumer; Oregon EV Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon Senate Hearing on California's TailpipeStandards: March 25, Portland =20 I'm sorry I couldn't be there. It's great to get this initiative moving forward. However, I'm curious if this moves ahead, would that mean the idiotic extra registration tax EV's pay in Oregon would be repealed? =20 They make such a nice rationalization of it here: http://www.energy.state.or.us/trans/Registrationfees.htm jrab On 3/15/05 11:43 AM, "Chris Hagerbaumer" wrote: It was a pleasure to address the OEVA at your March 10 meeting. Thanks for having me. Below is an action alert related to the March 25 hearing on California's tailpipe standards. =20 Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director Oregon Environmental Council 222 NW Davis Street, Suite 309 Portland, OR 97209-3900 503-222-1963 x102=20 chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org =20 ~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy environment~ =20 Support Clean Cars in Oregon! What: Attend a hearing of the Senate Environment & Land Use Committee in Portland on March 25. At this hearing, experts will speak on the Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions and Senate Bill 344, which requires Oregon to adopt California's clean car auto emission standards. Public testimony is encouraged. A large turnout will indicate to state lawmakers that Oregonians want cleaner cars and other global warming solutions. Where: Portland State University, Smith Memorial Student Union, Vanport Room, 1825 SW Broadway, Portland When: Friday, March 25, 10 AM Background Last year, Governor Kulongoski convened an Advisory Group on Global Warming to advise him on actions Oregon should take to combat global warming and accelerate the development of clean, renewable energy. In December, the Advisory Group completed its Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions. The proposed strategy will set Oregon on the path to deep reductions in global warming pollution while rewarding us with all the health, economic and ecosystem benefits that come with climate protection.=20 =20 One of the Advisory Group's recommendations is to adopt California's clean car auto emission standards, which will cut greenhouse gas emissions from cars and trucks by an average of 30% by 2016. This recommendation will be deliberated at the March 25 hearing. The clean car standards will also reduce dangerous auto emissions that cause cancer and aggravate our children's already high rates of asthma. With California's clean car standards we'll get more hybrids and other advanced auto technologies on our car lots quicker. =20 For more information on California's clean car standards (including sample letters) visit the Clean Cars for Washington website: www.cleancarswashington.org . (This website by clean car advocates in Washington State is relevant to Oregon, as well.) The Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions is available on the Oregon Department of Energy's website: http://egov.oregon.gov/ENERGY/. =20 =20 If you can't attend the hearing, communicate your support for SB 344 to your state legislators and Governor Kulongoski. Learn how to contact your legislators at www.leg.state.or.us/citizenguide . Submit your comments to the Governor at http://governor.oregon.gov/Gov/contact_us.shtml. =20 =20 ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52980.962639F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon Senate Hearing on California's Tailpipe Standards: March 25, Portland

Hi, = John:

 

The so-called “hybrid penalty” that was enacted by the 2001 Oregon = Legislature was eliminated by the 2003 Oregon Legislature, in part due to the Oregon Environmental Council’s lobbying efforts. In 2001, lawmakers = passed a bill to charge hybrid gas-electric and electric vehicle owners twice = what conventional passenger vehicle owners pay to register their cars. The = 2003 transportation funding package, HB 2041, equalized the registration fees, raising the = fee for regular passenger vehicles from $15 to $27 per year and reducing the fee = for hybrid and electric vehicles from $30 to $27 per = year.

 

I’m = surprised that ODOE’s website still talks about it.  By the way, = ODOE’s website has a new address:  http://egov.oregon.gov/ENERGY/

 

-Chris<= /font>

From: John = RA Benson [mailto:jrab@e-m-w.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, = 2005 2:04 AM
To: Chris Hagerbaumer; Oregon EV
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] = Oregon Senate Hearing on California's TailpipeStandards: March 25, Portland

 

I’m sorry I = couldn’t be there. It’s great to get this initiative moving forward. However, I’m curious if this moves ahead, would that mean the idiotic extra registration tax EV’s pay in Oregon would be repealed?  

They make such a nice rationalization of it here:
http://= www.energy.state.or.us/trans/Registrationfees.htm

jrab


On 3/15/05 11:43 AM, "Chris = Hagerbaumer" <chrish@oeconline.org> wrote:

It was a pleasure to = address the OEVA at your March 10 meeting.  Thanks for having me.  Below = is an action alert related to the March 25 hearing on California’s tailpipe = standards.
 
Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director
Oregon Environmental Council
222 NW Davis Street, =  Suite 309
Portland, = OR  97209-3900
503-222-1963 x102
chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org <http://www.oeconline.org>
~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy environment~


 
Support Clean Cars in = Oregon!

What:  Attend a hearing of the Senate Environment = & Land Use Committee in Portland on March 25. =  At this hearing, experts will speak on the Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse = Gas Reductions and Senate Bill 344, which requires Oregon to adopt California’s clean = car auto emission standards.  Public testimony is = encouraged.  A large turnout will indicate to state lawmakers that Oregonians = want cleaner cars and other global warming solutions.

Where:  Portland State University, Smith Memorial = Student Union, Vanport Room, 1825 SW Broadway, Portland

When:  Friday, March 25, 10 AM

Background

Last year, Governor Kulongoski convened an Advisory Group on Global = Warming to advise him on actions Oregon should take to combat global warming and accelerate the development of = clean, renewable energy. In December, the Advisory Group completed its Oregon = Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions.  The proposed strategy will set = Oregon on the = path to deep reductions in global warming pollution while rewarding us with all = the health, economic and ecosystem benefits that come with climate = protection.
 

One of the Advisory Group’s = recommendations is to adopt California’s clean car auto emission standards, which will cut greenhouse gas = emissions from cars and trucks by an average of 30% by 2016. This recommendation will = be deliberated at the March 25 hearing.  The clean car standards will = also reduce dangerous auto emissions that cause cancer and aggravate our = children's already high rates of asthma.  With California’s clean car standards we’ll get more hybrids and other advanced auto technologies on our car lots quicker.  



For more information on California’s clean car standards (including sample letters) visit the Clean Cars for = Washington = website: www.cleancarswashington.org <http://www.cleancarswash= ington.org/> . (This website by clean car advocates in Washington State is relevant to = Oregon, as well.)


The Oregon Strategy for Greenhouse Gas Reductions is available on the = Oregon Department of Energy’s website: http://egov.oregon.gov/ENERGY/.
 
If you can’t attend the hearing, communicate your support for SB = 344 to your state legislators and Governor Kulongoski.  Learn how to = contact your legislators at www.leg.state.or.us/citizenguide <http://www.leg.state= .or.us/citizenguide> . Submit your comments to the Governor at http://governor= .oregon.gov/Gov/contact_us.shtml.  
 


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C52980.962639F0-- From mark.freidberg@netzero.com Wed Mar 16 22:33:01 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j2H6X1FJ049652 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:33:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail26.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.166]) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBDUJYMAWLSV42 for (sender ); Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:25:15 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mB+CFte9Ho8j0aflYSAcJiHrG5Iz0QJmJu248mHqJx01 Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) by webmail26.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KM99ZU5F; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:24:31 PST Received: from [64.136.26.228] by webmail26.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:24:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.228] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.com" Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:24:18 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050316.222431.7528.16654@webmail26.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:827955110 X-MAIL-INFO: 58cc69cc6915e5ace9e981e57dec8d216c216ccc297d2d2dbc294c655c7d452cbd4949d81d2c8d4c75f80cedcdf5595989c14df1c5f1e8c5ace85d5dac093105385cd8d86c9538a8a96878d159715d454501082d218d21298da5294c4ca5 Subject: [Oeva-list] Honda & Nissan Join Automaker's Lawsuit X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:33:01 -0000 Below is a link and text from the Union of Concerned Scientist's website. It appears that Honda and Nissan did join the other automaker's lawsuit against California over the state's global warming vehicle regulations. Mark ===================================================================== http://www.ucsaction.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=22412 In September 2004, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) issued regulations that would reduce global warming gases by nearly 30% by 2016. California’s vehicle global warming regulations are the first in the world to require reduction of heat trapping pollution from passenger vehicles. California’s global warming regulation is an extremely important precedent for the nation, especially at a time where the current administration looks to be halting any federal progress on the issue. Federal law bars all other states from setting their own standards but allows them to adopt California’s. Right now, close to 25% of new vehicles sold in the country meet California emission standards, and more are poised to join the ranks of clean car states. December 7, 2004, will, unfortunately, be a day that lives in infamy for automakers, as the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers (representing Ford, GM, Toyota, BMW, Porsche, Volkswagen, DaimlerChrysler, Mazda, Mitsubishi) and nine California auto dealerships filed a federal lawsuit against the State of California in order to block the vehicular global warming regulations. Honda and Nissan, who are not part of the Alliance, joined the lawsuit on February 4. They are also the top two “greenest” automakers, according to UCS’s Automaker Rankings 2004: The Environmental Performance of Car Companies. This makes their decision particularly disappointing as they have ignored their consumers and a great opportunity to differentiate themselves from the reflexive anti-safety, anti-environment actions that has tipified automaker actions over the past thirty years. Although the automakers’ lawsuit claims that California is illegally trying to regulate fuel economy, the truth is that the California regulations are about air pollution. They require the use of better technology—better engines, transmissions, and other components to reduce emissions of vehicle pollutants that cause global warming. Consumers will save money because some of these emission-reduction technologies also save fuel or otherwise reduce operating costs. But California is regulating air pollution under its Clean Air Act authority, not setting fuel economy standards. Under the federal Clean Air Act, California has the clear right to set vehicle emission standards even if they have an impact on fuel consumption. Under the federal fuel economy law (the Energy Policy and Conservation Act), if air pollution and fuel economy rules collide, federal law gives priority to reducing air pollution. Despite the widespread public support for the global warming law (a recent survey noted that 81% of Californians support regulations on automobiles to curb heat-trapping emissions), the auto industry has not brought its engineers to the table to help implement the many cost-effective methods available to successfully enforce the regulations. Instead, it has spent its resources rehashing the same old, failed arguments and filing lawsuits to thwart state efforts to do something about global warming. UCS' backgrounder, How the Automakers Threaten and Mislead Consumers, takes direct quotes from the automobile industry and their allies and debunks the factual distortions coming from their PR and legal departments. It is vital that we send a strong and consistent message to automakers that we will not stand for their being an obstacle to a real choice in cost-effective, clean car options. Their engineers represent the solutions we can all profit from, and their lawyers represent an expense to our health, environment, jobs, and oil security that Americans simply cannot afford. From tony@notebene.net Tue Mar 22 20:58:30 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2N4wTrC038725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3D36DC0DD for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:58:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C18845F31 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:58:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:02:17 -0800 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 04:58:31 -0000 My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, just yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The battery pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the performance and range were perfect... etc.... On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it from CarStar, sigh. Anyone interested in some good parts? 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync E-Meter, shunt & prescalar Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair Practically new 14" tires and wheels Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) Contactor assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and a leg? -- Tony http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html From barnes.rick@comcast.net Wed Mar 23 05:23:15 2005 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2NDNEKw047135 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:23:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005032313230701200e8crqe>; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:23:08 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: "'Tony McCormick'" , "'OEVA'" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j2NDNEKw047135 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:23:16 -0000 Tony: I would have a look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002 had a brush wire which came loose, and caused some damage to a copper buss strap nearby. Seems like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I cleaned everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H brushes and 8 springs ($50 if you order from Prestolite Beech Electric at 1800-367-1281). I also "improved" the insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tape, to prevent the same sort of problem in the future. Depending on motor access and what is melted, you may be able to do this with the motor on the car. If you are giving up, I may be interested in your parts..... Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Tony McCormick Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM To: OEVA Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, just yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The battery pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the performance and range were perfect... etc.... On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it from CarStar, sigh. Anyone interested in some good parts? 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync E-Meter, shunt & prescalar Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair Practically new 14" tires and wheels Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) Contactor assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and a leg? -- Tony http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From Theoldcars@aol.com Thu Mar 24 09:17:53 2005 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2OHHqaY038441 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:17:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.1ab.35063172 (4238) for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:17:38 -0500 (EST) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.35063172.2f745031@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:17:37 EST To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1111684657" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:17:54 -0000 -------------------------------1111684657 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Tony I hope after your initial disappointment of this happening you give Rick's suggestion a try. I just talked to David the manager and the windshield is at the glass shop. We may be able to tell them to return it. I am sure they can hang on to it for a few days to give you some time. I am looking for a Manzanita charger but I would rather see you back on the road. Don West Hills Carstar Collision Center In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request@oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-owner@oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. sad renault ev news (Tony McCormick) 2. RE: sad renault ev news (Rick Barnes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:02:17 -0800 From: Tony McCormick Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news To: OEVA Message-ID: <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, just yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The battery pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the performance and range were perfect... etc.... On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it from CarStar, sigh. Anyone interested in some good parts? 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync E-Meter, shunt & prescalar Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair Practically new 14" tires and wheels Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) Contactor assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and a leg? -- Tony http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800 From: "Rick Barnes" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news To: "'Tony McCormick'" , "'OEVA'" Message-ID: <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tony: I would have a look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002 had a brush wire which came loose, and caused some damage to a copper buss strap nearby. Seems like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I cleaned everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H brushes and 8 springs ($50 if you order from Prestolite Beech Electric at 1800-367-1281). I also "improved" the insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tape, to prevent the same sort of problem in the future. Depending on motor access and what is melted, you may be able to do this with the motor on the car. If you are giving up, I may be interested in your parts..... Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Tony McCormick Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM To: OEVA Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, just yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The battery pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the performance and range were perfect... etc.... On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it from CarStar, sigh. Anyone interested in some good parts? 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync E-Meter, shunt & prescalar Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair Practically new 14" tires and wheels Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) Contactor assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and a leg? -- Tony http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 **************************************** -------------------------------1111684657 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Tony
 
I hope after your initial disappointment of this happening you give Ric= k's=20 suggestion a try.
 
I just talked to David the manager and the windshield is at the glass s= hop.=20 We may be able to tell them to return it. I am sure they can hang on to it f= or a=20 few days to give you some time.
 
I am looking for a Manzanita charger but I would rather see y= ou=20 back on the road.
 
Don
West Hills Carstar
Collision Center
 
 
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Message:=20 1
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:02:17 -0800
From: Tony McCormick=20 <tony@notebene.net>
Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news
T= o:=20 OEVA <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:=20 <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net>
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My Le Car EV seems to have ea= ten it's=20 motor on the way home.  Sad, just
yesterday I was telling my wife= how=20 pleased I was with it.  The battery
pack is now perfectly broken=20= in=20 and balanced, the performance and range
were perfect... etc....
On=20 the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed
d= own=20 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started
bucking= and=20 smelled badly of burned varnish....   tow truck time.

Mot= or=20 will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think...  but not
su= re I=20 care,  it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to
dr= ive=20 it for 2 months.   and I just ordered a new windshield for it fr= om=20
CarStar, sigh.

Anyone interested in some good parts?

17=20= - 6=20 volt US 125 (220AH)  in very good shape
Curtis 1231 C controller w= ith=20 big heat sync
E-Meter, shunt & prescalar
Dakota Digital Speedo w= ith=20 inductive pickups
48 volt presolite motor in need of repair
Practica= lly=20 new 14" tires and wheels
Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger=20 (#18)
Contactor
assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches

Or so= me=20 good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and a leg?

= --=20
Tony
http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html



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Message:=20 2
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800
From: "Rick Barnes"=20 <barnes.rick@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev= =20 news
To: "'Tony McCormick'" <tony@notebene.net>, "'OEVA'"
&nbs= p;=20   <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:=20 <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom>
Content-Type:=20 text/plain;    charset=3D"us-ascii"

Tony:

I would=20= have a=20 look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002 had a brush
wire whic= h=20 came loose, and caused some damage to a copper buss strap nearby.
Seems= =20 like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I=20 cleaned
everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H brushes and 8 springs ($5= 0 if=20 you
order from Prestolite Beech Electric at 1800-367-1281). I also=20 "improved"
the insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tap= e,=20 to prevent
the same sort of problem in the future.

Depending on=20 motor access and what is melted, you may be able to do this
with the mo= tor=20 on the car.

If you are giving up, I may be interested in your=20 parts.....

Rick Barnes
Aloha, OR

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org=20 [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On
Behalf Of Tony McCormick
Sent= :=20 Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM
To: OEVA
Subject: [Oeva-list] sad=20 renault ev news


My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on=20= the=20 way home.  Sad, just
yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased=20= I=20 was with it.  The battery
pack is now perfectly broken in and=20 balanced, the performance and range
were perfect... etc....

On=20= the=20 way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed
down=20= 26=20 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started
bucking an= d=20 smelled badly of burned varnish....   tow truck time.

Mot= or=20 will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think...  but not
su= re I=20 care,  it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to
dr= ive=20 it for 2 months.   and I just ordered a new windshield for it fr= om=20
CarStar, sigh.

Anyone interested in some good parts?

17=20= - 6=20 volt US 125 (220AH)  in very good shape
Curtis 1231 C controller w= ith=20 big heat sync
E-Meter, shunt & prescalar
Dakota Digital Speedo w= ith=20 inductive pickups
48 volt presolite motor in need of repair
Practica= lly=20 new 14" tires and wheels
Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger=20 (#18)
Contactor
assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches

Or so= me=20 good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and a leg?

= --=20
Tony
http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html

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 -------------------------------1111684657-- From roylemeur@hotmail.com Thu Mar 24 10:00:32 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f26.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.36]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2OI0VJC048612 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:00:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roylemeur@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:43:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.209 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:43:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.209] X-Originating-Email: [roylemeur@hotmail.com] X-Sender: roylemeur@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1ab.35063172.2f745031@aol.com> From: "Roy LeMeur" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:43:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2005 17:43:10.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[F263B4B0:01C53098] X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:00:33 -0000 Hi Tony We have prestolite parts at Cloud EV. Here are a couple of quick photos- http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres01.jpg http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres02.jpg Can you send some digital photos of the damaged components? I would bet we can get you fixed up for a reasonable price. OTOH, if you decide that you still want to sell... How much for all? . Roy LeMeur cloudevtech@msn.com http://www.cloudelectric.com http://www.dcelectricsupply.com Cloud Electric Vehicles 19428 66th Ave So, Q-101 Kent, Washington 98032 phone: 425-251-6380 fax: 425-251-6381 Toll Free: 800-648-7716 My Electric Vehicle Pages: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html Informative Electric Vehicle Links: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm >From: Theoldcars@aol.com >To: oeva-list@oeva.org >Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 >12:17:37 EST > > >Hello Tony > >I hope after your initial disappointment of this happening you give Rick's >suggestion a try. > >I just talked to David the manager and the windshield is at the glass shop. >We may be able to tell them to return it. I am sure they can hang on to it >for >a few days to give you some time. > >I am looking for a Manzanita charger but I would rather see you back on >the >road. > >Don >West Hills Carstar >Collision Center > > > In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, >oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: > >Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to >oeva-list@oeva.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >oeva-list-request@oeva.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at >oeva-list-owner@oeva.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > >1. sad renault ev news (Tony McCormick) >2. RE: sad renault ev news (Rick Barnes) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:02:17 -0800 >From: Tony McCormick >Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >To: OEVA >Message-ID: <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, just >yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The battery >pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the performance and range >were perfect... etc.... > >On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed >down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started >bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. > >Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it from >CarStar, sigh. > >Anyone interested in some good parts? > >17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >Practically new 14" tires and wheels >Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >Contactor >assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches > >Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and a leg? > >-- >Tony >http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800 >From: "Rick Barnes" >Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >To: "'Tony McCormick'" , "'OEVA'" > >Message-ID: <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Tony: > >I would have a look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002 had a >brush >wire which came loose, and caused some damage to a copper buss strap >nearby. >Seems like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I cleaned >everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H brushes and 8 springs ($50 if you >order from Prestolite Beech Electric at 1800-367-1281). I also "improved" >the insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tape, to prevent >the same sort of problem in the future. > >Depending on motor access and what is melted, you may be able to do this >with the motor on the car. > >If you are giving up, I may be interested in your parts..... > >Rick Barnes >Aloha, OR > >-----Original Message----- >From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On >Behalf Of Tony McCormick >Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM >To: OEVA >Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news > > >My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, just >yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The battery >pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the performance and range >were perfect... etc.... > >On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed >down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started >bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. > >Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it from >CarStar, sigh. > >Anyone interested in some good parts? > >17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >Practically new 14" tires and wheels >Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >Contactor >assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches > >Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and a leg? > >-- >Tony >http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html > >_______________________________________________ >Oeva-list mailing list >Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Oeva-list mailing list >Oeva-list@oeva.org >http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > >End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 >**************************************** > > > >_______________________________________________ >Oeva-list mailing list >Oeva-list@oeva.org >http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From matwete@comcast.net Thu Mar 24 11:29:07 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2OJT79q068894 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:29:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matwete@comcast.net) Received: from laptop (c-24-21-83-123.client.comcast.net[24.21.83.123]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005032419235401300e9blfe>; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:23:54 +0000 From: "Myles Twete" To: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:23:40 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c530a6$fd11be30$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C53063.EEEE7E30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1ab.35063172.2f745031@aol.com> Importance: Normal Subject: [Oeva-list] PFC charger X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matwete@comcast.net List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:29:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C53063.EEEE7E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone in Portlandia have a Manzanita Micro PFC charger they'd like to sell? I'd like to have a PFC-30 to make it worthwhile---the PFC-20 just isn't rated for a high enough current for me to justify switching from my Lester 25amp charger. With a Honda 2kw genset, and plugging 2 Lesters into the output, I can get up to 37amps into my 36v batteries on my boat, but the genset hates me when I do that, so I really can only get under 30amps into the batteries at 1.6kw or so steady AC genset output. With a PFC-30 I should be able to get around 40amps without any extra genset loading, which would give me an extra 1/2HP of cruising power----the boat'll do 4knots at 40amps & 36v. -Myles Twete 503-267-6465 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C53063.EEEE7E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone in = Portlandia=20 have a Manzanita Micro PFC charger they'd like to = sell?
I'd like to have a PFC-30 to = make it=20 worthwhile---the PFC-20 just isn't rated for a high enough current for = me to=20 justify switching from my Lester 25amp charger.
With a Honda 2kw genset, and = plugging=20 2 Lesters into the output, I can get up to 37amps into my 36v batteries = on my=20 boat, but the genset hates me when I do that, so I really can only get = under=20 30amps into the batteries at 1.6kw or so steady AC genset output.  = With a=20 PFC-30 I should be able to get around 40amps without any extra genset = loading,=20 which would give me an extra 1/2HP of cruising power----the boat'll do = 4knots at=20 40amps & 36v.
 
-Myles = Twete
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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C53063.EEEE7E30-- From tony@notebene.net Thu Mar 24 18:01:40 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2P21cQV061885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:01:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58B46DC00B for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EFC845EB7 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:01:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <424371E4.8090506@notebene.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:05:24 -0800 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 02:01:40 -0000 Thanks for all your feedback and encouragement. I've decided to look at either fixing or replacing the motor... Once I can figure out how to get the car up the hill into my garage I'll have a better idea what I can do. Like get pics, measure it etc. It's hard to move an EV with no motor. Without some kind of magic though it will be many, many months before I have time again to do anything as intensive as actually pulling it all apart so I can take the motor out, all my weekends are booked for the forseeable future. In any case, I don't have the equipment required to lift a motor out and wouldn't have a clue how to repair an electric motor. So it will need to be sent off for repair or replaced. I am seriously considering replacing it with a better motor that's actually rated for 120Volts or better. But then there's the new adaptor plate to somehow get made (and paid for)... So, I'm toying selling the just the battery pack, so someone can get use of it at least. 17 6volt US 125 batteries, $50/each, or $800 for the pack. Would that interest anyone? Wouldn't be much point in selling just some of the pack, so I would need enough interest to sell it all or I'd be better off keeping it. --Tony Roy LeMeur wrote: > Hi Tony > > We have prestolite parts at Cloud EV. > > Here are a couple of quick photos- > http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres01.jpg > http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres02.jpg > > Can you send some digital photos of the damaged components? > > I would bet we can get you fixed up for a reasonable price. > > OTOH, if you decide that you still want to sell... How much for all? > > . > > > > > Roy LeMeur > cloudevtech@msn.com > http://www.cloudelectric.com > http://www.dcelectricsupply.com > > Cloud Electric Vehicles > 19428 66th Ave So, Q-101 > Kent, Washington 98032 > > phone: 425-251-6380 > fax: 425-251-6381 > Toll Free: 800-648-7716 > > > > > My Electric Vehicle Pages: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html > > Informative Electric Vehicle Links: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html > > EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: > http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm > > > >> From: Theoldcars@aol.com >> To: oeva-list@oeva.org >> Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 >> 12:17:37 EST >> >> >> Hello Tony >> >> I hope after your initial disappointment of this happening you give >> Rick's >> suggestion a try. >> >> I just talked to David the manager and the windshield is at the glass >> shop. >> We may be able to tell them to return it. I am sure they can hang on >> to it for >> a few days to give you some time. >> >> I am looking for a Manzanita charger but I would rather see you back >> on the >> road. >> >> Don >> West Hills Carstar >> Collision Center >> >> >> In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: >> >> Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to >> oeva-list@oeva.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> oeva-list-request@oeva.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> oeva-list-owner@oeva.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. sad renault ev news (Tony McCormick) >> 2. RE: sad renault ev news (Rick Barnes) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:02:17 -0800 >> From: Tony McCormick >> Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> To: OEVA >> Message-ID: <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, just >> yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The battery >> pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the performance and range >> were perfect... etc.... >> >> On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed >> down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started >> bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. >> >> Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >> sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >> drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it >> from >> CarStar, sigh. >> >> Anyone interested in some good parts? >> >> 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >> Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >> E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >> Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >> 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >> Practically new 14" tires and wheels >> Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >> Contactor >> assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches >> >> Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and >> a leg? >> >> -- >> Tony >> http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800 >> From: "Rick Barnes" >> Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> To: "'Tony McCormick'" , "'OEVA'" >> >> Message-ID: <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Tony: >> >> I would have a look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002 had >> a brush >> wire which came loose, and caused some damage to a copper buss strap >> nearby. >> Seems like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I >> cleaned >> everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H brushes and 8 springs ($50 if you >> order from Prestolite Beech Electric at 1800-367-1281). I also >> "improved" >> the insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tape, to >> prevent >> the same sort of problem in the future. >> >> Depending on motor access and what is melted, you may be able to do >> this >> with the motor on the car. >> >> If you are giving up, I may be interested in your parts..... >> >> Rick Barnes >> Aloha, OR >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On >> Behalf Of Tony McCormick >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM >> To: OEVA >> Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> >> >> My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, just >> yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The battery >> pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the performance and range >> were perfect... etc.... >> >> On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed >> down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started >> bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. >> >> Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >> sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >> drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it >> from >> CarStar, sigh. >> >> Anyone interested in some good parts? >> >> 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >> Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >> E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >> Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >> 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >> Practically new 14" tires and wheels >> Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >> Contactor >> assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches >> >> Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and >> a leg? >> >> -- >> Tony >> http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 >> **************************************** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html From barnes.rick@comcast.net Fri Mar 25 04:59:01 2005 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2PCx1MR088048 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:59:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005032512585401400j9314e>; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:58:55 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: "'Tony McCormick'" , "'OEVA'" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:58:14 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c5313a$4f382170$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <424371E4.8090506@notebene.net> Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:59:02 -0000 I pulled my motor + trans using a chain hoist attached to the rafters in my garage (laid a section of 1" iron pipe across 4 rafters to support the hoist) The motor + trans couldn't have weighed more than about 200 lbs, not sure how much your rig weighs. It took me about 90 minutes to extract the motor, but my car is fairly uncluttered under the hood... Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Tony McCormick Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:05 PM To: OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Thanks for all your feedback and encouragement. I've decided to look at either fixing or replacing the motor... Once I can figure out how to get the car up the hill into my garage I'll have a better idea what I can do. Like get pics, measure it etc. It's hard to move an EV with no motor. Without some kind of magic though it will be many, many months before I have time again to do anything as intensive as actually pulling it all apart so I can take the motor out, all my weekends are booked for the forseeable future. In any case, I don't have the equipment required to lift a motor out and wouldn't have a clue how to repair an electric motor. So it will need to be sent off for repair or replaced. I am seriously considering replacing it with a better motor that's actually rated for 120Volts or better. But then there's the new adaptor plate to somehow get made (and paid for)... So, I'm toying selling the just the battery pack, so someone can get use of it at least. 17 6volt US 125 batteries, $50/each, or $800 for the pack. Would that interest anyone? Wouldn't be much point in selling just some of the pack, so I would need enough interest to sell it all or I'd be better off keeping it. --Tony Roy LeMeur wrote: > Hi Tony > > We have prestolite parts at Cloud EV. > > Here are a couple of quick photos- > http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres01.jpg > http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres02.jpg > > Can you send some digital photos of the damaged components? > > I would bet we can get you fixed up for a reasonable price. > > OTOH, if you decide that you still want to sell... How much for all? > > . > > > > > Roy LeMeur > cloudevtech@msn.com > http://www.cloudelectric.com > http://www.dcelectricsupply.com > > Cloud Electric Vehicles > 19428 66th Ave So, Q-101 > Kent, Washington 98032 > > phone: 425-251-6380 > fax: 425-251-6381 > Toll Free: 800-648-7716 > > > > > My Electric Vehicle Pages: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html > > Informative Electric Vehicle Links: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html > > EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: > http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm > > > >> From: Theoldcars@aol.com >> To: oeva-list@oeva.org >> Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 >> 12:17:37 EST >> >> >> Hello Tony >> >> I hope after your initial disappointment of this happening you give >> Rick's >> suggestion a try. >> >> I just talked to David the manager and the windshield is at the glass >> shop. >> We may be able to tell them to return it. I am sure they can hang on >> to it for >> a few days to give you some time. >> >> I am looking for a Manzanita charger but I would rather see you back >> on the >> road. >> >> Don >> West Hills Carstar >> Collision Center >> >> >> In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: >> >> Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> oeva-list-request@oeva.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> oeva-list-owner@oeva.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. sad renault ev news (Tony McCormick) >> 2. RE: sad renault ev news (Rick Barnes) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:02:17 -0800 >> From: Tony McCormick >> Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> To: OEVA >> Message-ID: <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, >> just yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The >> battery pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the >> performance and range were perfect... etc.... >> >> On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills >> headed down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started >> bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. >> >> Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >> sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >> drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it >> from >> CarStar, sigh. >> >> Anyone interested in some good parts? >> >> 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >> Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >> E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >> Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >> 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >> Practically new 14" tires and wheels >> Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >> Contactor >> assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches >> >> Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and >> a leg? >> >> -- >> Tony >> http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800 >> From: "Rick Barnes" >> Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> To: "'Tony McCormick'" , "'OEVA'" >> >> Message-ID: <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Tony: >> >> I would have a look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002 had >> a brush >> wire which came loose, and caused some damage to a copper buss strap >> nearby. >> Seems like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I >> cleaned >> everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H brushes and 8 springs ($50 if you >> order from Prestolite Beech Electric at 1800-367-1281). I also >> "improved" >> the insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tape, to >> prevent >> the same sort of problem in the future. >> >> Depending on motor access and what is melted, you may be able to do >> this >> with the motor on the car. >> >> If you are giving up, I may be interested in your parts..... >> >> Rick Barnes >> Aloha, OR >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] >> On Behalf Of Tony McCormick >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM >> To: OEVA >> Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> >> >> My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, >> just yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The >> battery pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the >> performance and range were perfect... etc.... >> >> On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills >> headed down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started >> bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. >> >> Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >> sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >> drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it >> from >> CarStar, sigh. >> >> Anyone interested in some good parts? >> >> 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >> Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >> E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >> Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >> 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >> Practically new 14" tires and wheels >> Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >> Contactor >> assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches >> >> Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and >> a leg? >> >> -- >> Tony >> http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 >> **************************************** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From tony@notebene.net Fri Mar 25 19:49:01 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2Q3n0uW001753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:49:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914D936403F for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B02845F7A for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:48:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4244DC5C.4000303@notebene.net> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:51:56 -0800 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news References: <000c01c5313a$4f382170$6800a8c0@laundryroom> In-Reply-To: <000c01c5313a$4f382170$6800a8c0@laundryroom> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040905050105010603030302" X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 03:49:02 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040905050105010603030302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary offered to loan me his engine hoist and chains, My hood is full of batteries and mounting gear and the area just over the motor has more batteries and DC/DC, contactor, throttle controls, etc... it will take most of a day to pull it all, I'm sure. We'll see how it goes, I guess. --Tony Rick Barnes wrote: >I pulled my motor + trans using a chain hoist attached to the rafters in my >garage (laid a section of 1" iron pipe across 4 rafters to support the >hoist) > >The motor + trans couldn't have weighed more than about 200 lbs, not sure >how much your rig weighs. > >It took me about 90 minutes to extract the motor, but my car is fairly >uncluttered under the hood... > >Rick Barnes >Aloha, OR > >-----Original Message----- >From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On >Behalf Of Tony McCormick >Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:05 PM >To: OEVA >Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news > > >Thanks for all your feedback and encouragement. I've decided to look at >either fixing or replacing the motor... Once I can figure out how to >get the car up the hill into my garage I'll have a better idea what I >can do. Like get pics, measure it etc. It's hard to move an EV with no >motor. > >Without some kind of magic though it will be many, many months before I >have time again to do anything as intensive as actually pulling it all >apart so I can take the motor out, all my weekends are booked for the >forseeable future. In any case, I don't have the equipment required >to lift a motor out and wouldn't have a clue how to repair an electric >motor. So it will need to be sent off for repair or replaced. I am >seriously considering replacing it with a better motor that's actually >rated for 120Volts or better. But then there's the new adaptor plate >to somehow get made (and paid for)... > >So, I'm toying selling the just the battery pack, so someone can get use >of it at least. 17 6volt US 125 batteries, $50/each, or $800 for the >pack. Would that interest anyone? Wouldn't be much point in selling >just some of the pack, so I would need enough interest to sell it all or >I'd be better off keeping it. > >--Tony > >Roy LeMeur wrote: > > > >>Hi Tony >> >>We have prestolite parts at Cloud EV. >> >>Here are a couple of quick photos- >>http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres01.jpg >>http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres02.jpg >> >>Can you send some digital photos of the damaged components? >> >>I would bet we can get you fixed up for a reasonable price. >> >>OTOH, if you decide that you still want to sell... How much for all? >> >>. >> >> >> >> >>Roy LeMeur >>cloudevtech@msn.com >>http://www.cloudelectric.com >>http://www.dcelectricsupply.com >> >>Cloud Electric Vehicles >>19428 66th Ave So, Q-101 >>Kent, Washington 98032 >> >>phone: 425-251-6380 >>fax: 425-251-6381 >>Toll Free: 800-648-7716 >> >> >> >> >>My Electric Vehicle Pages: >>http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html >> >>Informative Electric Vehicle Links: >>http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html >> >>EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: >>http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Theoldcars@aol.com >>>To: oeva-list@oeva.org >>>Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 >>>12:17:37 EST >>> >>> >>>Hello Tony >>> >>>I hope after your initial disappointment of this happening you give >>>Rick's >>>suggestion a try. >>> >>>I just talked to David the manager and the windshield is at the glass >>>shop. >>>We may be able to tell them to return it. I am sure they can hang on >>>to it for >>>a few days to give you some time. >>> >>>I am looking for a Manzanita charger but I would rather see you back >>>on the >>>road. >>> >>>Don >>>West Hills Carstar >>>Collision Center >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>>oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: >>> >>>Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org >>> >>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>oeva-list-request@oeva.org >>> >>>You can reach the person managing the list at >>>oeva-list-owner@oeva.org >>> >>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." >>> >>> >>>Today's Topics: >>> >>>1. sad renault ev news (Tony McCormick) >>>2. RE: sad renault ev news (Rick Barnes) >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>- >>> >>>Message: 1 >>>Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:02:17 -0800 >>>From: Tony McCormick >>>Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >>>To: OEVA >>>Message-ID: <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>>My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, >>>just yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The >>>battery pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the >>>performance and range were perfect... etc.... >>> >>>On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills >>>headed down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it >>> >>> >started > > >>>bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. >>> >>>Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >>>sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >>>drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it >>>from >>>CarStar, sigh. >>> >>>Anyone interested in some good parts? >>> >>>17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >>>Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >>>E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >>>Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >>>48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >>>Practically new 14" tires and wheels >>>Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >>>Contactor >>>assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches >>> >>>Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and >>>a leg? >>> >>>-- >>>Tony >>>http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------ >>> >>>Message: 2 >>>Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800 >>>From: "Rick Barnes" >>>Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >>>To: "'Tony McCormick'" , "'OEVA'" >>> >>>Message-ID: <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>>Tony: >>> >>>I would have a look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002 had >>>a brush >>>wire which came loose, and caused some damage to a copper buss strap >>>nearby. >>>Seems like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I >>>cleaned >>>everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H brushes and 8 springs ($50 if you >>>order from Prestolite Beech Electric at 1800-367-1281). I also >>>"improved" >>>the insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tape, to >>>prevent >>>the same sort of problem in the future. >>> >>>Depending on motor access and what is melted, you may be able to do >>>this >>>with the motor on the car. >>> >>>If you are giving up, I may be interested in your parts..... >>> >>>Rick Barnes >>>Aloha, OR >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] >>>On Behalf Of Tony McCormick >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM >>>To: OEVA >>>Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >>> >>> >>>My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, >>>just yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The >>>battery pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the >>>performance and range were perfect... etc.... >>> >>>On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills >>>headed down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it >>> >>> >started > > >>>bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. >>> >>>Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >>>sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >>>drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it >>>from >>>CarStar, sigh. >>> >>>Anyone interested in some good parts? >>> >>>17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >>>Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >>>E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >>>Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >>>48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >>>Practically new 14" tires and wheels >>>Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >>>Contactor >>>assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches >>> >>>Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and >>>a leg? >>> >>>-- >>>Tony >>>http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Oeva-list mailing list >>>Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Oeva-list mailing list >>>Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >>> >>> >>>End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 >>>**************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Oeva-list mailing list >>>Oeva-list@oeva.org >>>http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Oeva-list mailing list >>Oeva-list@oeva.org >>http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> >> > > > -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html --------------040905050105010603030302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary offered to loan me his engine hoist and chains, My hood is full of batteries and mounting gear and the area just over the motor has more batteries and DC/DC, contactor, throttle controls, etc... it will take most of a day to pull it all, I'm sure.   We'll see how it goes, I guess.
--Tony

Rick Barnes wrote:
I pulled my motor + trans using a chain hoist attached to the rafters in my
garage (laid a section of 1" iron pipe across 4 rafters to support the
hoist)

The motor + trans couldn't have weighed more than about 200 lbs, not sure
how much your rig weighs.

It took me about 90 minutes to extract the motor, but my car is fairly
uncluttered under the hood...

Rick Barnes
Aloha, OR

-----Original Message-----
From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On
Behalf Of Tony McCormick
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:05 PM
To: OEVA
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news


Thanks for all your feedback and encouragement.  I've decided to look at 
either fixing or replacing the motor...  Once I can figure out how to 
get the car up the hill into my garage I'll have a better idea what I 
can do.  Like get pics, measure it etc.  It's hard to move an EV with no 
motor.

Without some kind of magic though it will be many, many months before I 
have time again to do anything as intensive as actually pulling it all 
apart so I can take the motor out,  all my weekends are booked for the 
forseeable future.    In any case, I don't have the equipment required 
to lift a motor out and wouldn't have a clue how to repair an electric 
motor.   So it will  need to be sent off for repair or replaced.   I am 
seriously considering replacing it with a better motor that's actually 
rated for 120Volts or better.   But then there's the new adaptor plate 
to somehow get made (and paid for)...

So, I'm toying selling the just the battery pack, so someone can get use 
of it at least.   17 6volt US 125 batteries, $50/each, or $800 for the 
pack.  Would that interest anyone?   Wouldn't be much point in selling 
just some of the pack, so I would need enough interest to sell it all or 
I'd be better off keeping it.

--Tony

Roy LeMeur wrote:

  
Hi Tony

We have prestolite parts at Cloud EV.

Here are a couple of quick photos- 
http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres01.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres02.jpg

Can you send some digital photos of the damaged components?

I would bet we can get you fixed up for a reasonable price.

OTOH, if you decide that you still want to sell...  How much for all?

.




Roy LeMeur
cloudevtech@msn.com
http://www.cloudelectric.com
http://www.dcelectricsupply.com

Cloud Electric Vehicles
19428 66th Ave So, Q-101
Kent, Washington  98032

phone:  425-251-6380
fax:  425-251-6381
Toll Free:  800-648-7716




My Electric Vehicle Pages: 
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html

Informative Electric Vehicle Links: 
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html

EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: 
http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm



    
From: Theoldcars@aol.com
To: oeva-list@oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005
12:17:37 EST


Hello Tony

I hope after your initial disappointment of this happening you give
Rick's
suggestion a try.

I just talked to David the manager and the windshield is at the glass
shop.
We may be able to tell them to return it. I am sure they can hang on 
to it for
a  few days to give you some time.

I am looking for a Manzanita charger but I would rather see you  back
on the
road.

Don
West Hills Carstar
Collision Center


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From: Tony McCormick  <tony@notebene.net>
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My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's  motor on the way home.  Sad, 
just yesterday I was telling my wife how  pleased I was with it.  The 
battery pack is now perfectly broken in  and balanced, the 
performance and range were perfect... etc....

On  the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills 
headed down  26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it
      
started
  
bucking and  smelled badly of burned varnish....   tow truck time.

Motor  will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think...  but not 
sure I  care,  it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to
drive  it for 2 months.   and I just ordered a new windshield for it 
from
CarStar, sigh.

Anyone interested in some good parts?

17 - 6  volt US 125 (220AH)  in very good shape
Curtis 1231 C controller with  big heat sync
E-Meter, shunt & prescalar
Dakota Digital Speedo with  inductive pickups
48 volt presolite motor in need of repair
Practically  new 14" tires and wheels
Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger  (#18)
Contactor
assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches

Or some  good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and
a leg?

--
Tony
http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html



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Message:  2
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800
From: "Rick Barnes"  <barnes.rick@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev  news
To: "'Tony McCormick'" <tony@notebene.net>, "'OEVA'" 
<oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:  <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom>
Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Tony:

I would have a  look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002 had
a brush
wire which  came loose, and caused some damage to a copper buss strap 
nearby.
Seems  like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I  
cleaned
everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H brushes and 8 springs ($50 if  you
order from Prestolite Beech Electric at 1800-367-1281). I also  
"improved"
the insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tape,  to 
prevent
the same sort of problem in the future.

Depending on  motor access and what is melted, you may be able to do
this
with the motor  on the car.

If you are giving up, I may be interested in your  parts.....

Rick Barnes
Aloha, OR

-----Original  Message-----
From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org  [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] 
On Behalf Of Tony McCormick
Sent:  Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM
To: OEVA
Subject: [Oeva-list] sad  renault ev news


My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the  way home.  Sad, 
just yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I  was with it.  The 
battery pack is now perfectly broken in and  balanced, the 
performance and range were perfect... etc....

On the  way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills 
headed down 26  east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it
      
started
  
bucking and  smelled badly of burned varnish....   tow truck time.

Motor  will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think...  but not 
sure I  care,  it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to
drive  it for 2 months.   and I just ordered a new windshield for it 
from
CarStar, sigh.

Anyone interested in some good parts?

17 - 6  volt US 125 (220AH)  in very good shape
Curtis 1231 C controller with  big heat sync
E-Meter, shunt & prescalar
Dakota Digital Speedo with  inductive pickups
48 volt presolite motor in need of repair
Practically  new 14" tires and wheels
Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger  (#18)
Contactor
assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches

Or some  good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and
a leg?

--
Tony
http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html

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--------------040905050105010603030302-- From Theoldcars@aol.com Fri Mar 25 19:40:50 2005 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2Q3enwc000343 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:40:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.6d.41db98f5 (4214) for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:40:38 -0500 (EST) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.41db98f5.2f7633b5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:40:37 EST To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1111808437" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:22:40 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: sad renault news X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 03:40:50 -0000 -------------------------------1111808437 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Tony Sounds like your driveway is steep. We have a rollback trailer with a winch we could load it on and unload it in your garage. We also have a car motor lift you could borrow to get it out and reinstall it. Sorry I don't know anything helpful on electric motors. Sounds like Rick may be able to get it done for you. Do you know for sure what was caused the motor to burn up? You don't want to put it all back together and have it happen again. Don Blazer West Hills Carstar In a message dated 3/25/2005 12:00:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request@oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-owner@oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: RE: sad renault ev news (Tony McCormick) 2. RE: RE: sad renault ev news (Rick Barnes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:05:24 -0800 From: Tony McCormick Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news To: OEVA Message-ID: <424371E4.8090506@notebene.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks for all your feedback and encouragement. I've decided to look at either fixing or replacing the motor... Once I can figure out how to get the car up the hill into my garage I'll have a better idea what I can do. Like get pics, measure it etc. It's hard to move an EV with no motor. Without some kind of magic though it will be many, many months before I have time again to do anything as intensive as actually pulling it all apart so I can take the motor out, all my weekends are booked for the forseeable future. In any case, I don't have the equipment required to lift a motor out and wouldn't have a clue how to repair an electric motor. So it will need to be sent off for repair or replaced. I am seriously considering replacing it with a better motor that's actually rated for 120Volts or better. But then there's the new adaptor plate to somehow get made (and paid for)... So, I'm toying selling the just the battery pack, so someone can get use of it at least. 17 6volt US 125 batteries, $50/each, or $800 for the pack. Would that interest anyone? Wouldn't be much point in selling just some of the pack, so I would need enough interest to sell it all or I'd be better off keeping it. --Tony Roy LeMeur wrote: > Hi Tony > > We have prestolite parts at Cloud EV. > > Here are a couple of quick photos- > http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres01.jpg > http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres02.jpg > > Can you send some digital photos of the damaged components? > > I would bet we can get you fixed up for a reasonable price. > > OTOH, if you decide that you still want to sell... How much for all? > > . > > > > > Roy LeMeur > cloudevtech@msn.com > http://www.cloudelectric.com > http://www.dcelectricsupply.com > > Cloud Electric Vehicles > 19428 66th Ave So, Q-101 > Kent, Washington 98032 > > phone: 425-251-6380 > fax: 425-251-6381 > Toll Free: 800-648-7716 > > > > > My Electric Vehicle Pages: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html > > Informative Electric Vehicle Links: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html > > EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: > http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm > > > >> From: Theoldcars@aol.com >> To: oeva-list@oeva.org >> Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 >> 12:17:37 EST >> >> >> Hello Tony >> >> I hope after your initial disappointment of this happening you give >> Rick's >> suggestion a try. >> >> I just talked to David the manager and the windshield is at the glass >> shop. >> We may be able to tell them to return it. I am sure they can hang on >> to it for >> a few days to give you some time. >> >> I am looking for a Manzanita charger but I would rather see you back >> on the >> road. >> >> Don >> West Hills Carstar >> Collision Center >> >> >> In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: >> >> Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to >> oeva-list@oeva.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> oeva-list-request@oeva.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> oeva-list-owner@oeva.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. sad renault ev news (Tony McCormick) >> 2. RE: sad renault ev news (Rick Barnes) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:02:17 -0800 >> From: Tony McCormick >> Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> To: OEVA >> Message-ID: <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, just >> yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The battery >> pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the performance and range >> were perfect... etc.... >> >> On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed >> down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started >> bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. >> >> Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >> sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >> drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it >> from >> CarStar, sigh. >> >> Anyone interested in some good parts? >> >> 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >> Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >> E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >> Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >> 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >> Practically new 14" tires and wheels >> Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >> Contactor >> assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches >> >> Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and >> a leg? >> >> -- >> Tony >> http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800 >> From: "Rick Barnes" >> Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> To: "'Tony McCormick'" , "'OEVA'" >> >> Message-ID: <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Tony: >> >> I would have a look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002 had >> a brush >> wire which came loose, and caused some damage to a copper buss strap >> nearby. >> Seems like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I >> cleaned >> everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H brushes and 8 springs ($50 if you >> order from Prestolite Beech Electric at 1800-367-1281). I also >> "improved" >> the insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tape, to >> prevent >> the same sort of problem in the future. >> >> Depending on motor access and what is melted, you may be able to do >> this >> with the motor on the car. >> >> If you are giving up, I may be interested in your parts..... >> >> Rick Barnes >> Aloha, OR >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On >> Behalf Of Tony McCormick >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM >> To: OEVA >> Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> >> >> My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, just >> yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The battery >> pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the performance and range >> were perfect... etc.... >> >> On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed >> down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started >> bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. >> >> Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >> sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >> drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it >> from >> CarStar, sigh. >> >> Anyone interested in some good parts? >> >> 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >> Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >> E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >> Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >> 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >> Practically new 14" tires and wheels >> Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >> Contactor >> assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches >> >> Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and >> a leg? >> >> -- >> Tony >> http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 >> **************************************** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:58:14 -0800 From: "Rick Barnes" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news To: "'Tony McCormick'" , "'OEVA'" Message-ID: <000c01c5313a$4f382170$6800a8c0@laundryroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I pulled my motor + trans using a chain hoist attached to the rafters in my garage (laid a section of 1" iron pipe across 4 rafters to support the hoist) The motor + trans couldn't have weighed more than about 200 lbs, not sure how much your rig weighs. It took me about 90 minutes to extract the motor, but my car is fairly uncluttered under the hood... Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Tony McCormick Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:05 PM To: OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Thanks for all your feedback and encouragement. I've decided to look at either fixing or replacing the motor... Once I can figure out how to get the car up the hill into my garage I'll have a better idea what I can do. Like get pics, measure it etc. It's hard to move an EV with no motor. Without some kind of magic though it will be many, many months before I have time again to do anything as intensive as actually pulling it all apart so I can take the motor out, all my weekends are booked for the forseeable future. In any case, I don't have the equipment required to lift a motor out and wouldn't have a clue how to repair an electric motor. So it will need to be sent off for repair or replaced. I am seriously considering replacing it with a better motor that's actually rated for 120Volts or better. But then there's the new adaptor plate to somehow get made (and paid for)... So, I'm toying selling the just the battery pack, so someone can get use of it at least. 17 6volt US 125 batteries, $50/each, or $800 for the pack. Would that interest anyone? Wouldn't be much point in selling just some of the pack, so I would need enough interest to sell it all or I'd be better off keeping it. --Tony Roy LeMeur wrote: > Hi Tony > > We have prestolite parts at Cloud EV. > > Here are a couple of quick photos- > http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres01.jpg > http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres02.jpg > > Can you send some digital photos of the damaged components? > > I would bet we can get you fixed up for a reasonable price. > > OTOH, if you decide that you still want to sell... How much for all? > > . > > > > > Roy LeMeur > cloudevtech@msn.com > http://www.cloudelectric.com > http://www.dcelectricsupply.com > > Cloud Electric Vehicles > 19428 66th Ave So, Q-101 > Kent, Washington 98032 > > phone: 425-251-6380 > fax: 425-251-6381 > Toll Free: 800-648-7716 > > > > > My Electric Vehicle Pages: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html > > Informative Electric Vehicle Links: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html > > EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: > http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm > > > >> From: Theoldcars@aol.com >> To: oeva-list@oeva.org >> Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 >> 12:17:37 EST >> >> >> Hello Tony >> >> I hope after your initial disappointment of this happening you give >> Rick's >> suggestion a try. >> >> I just talked to David the manager and the windshield is at the glass >> shop. >> We may be able to tell them to return it. I am sure they can hang on >> to it for >> a few days to give you some time. >> >> I am looking for a Manzanita charger but I would rather see you back >> on the >> road. >> >> Don >> West Hills Carstar >> Collision Center >> >> >> In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: >> >> Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> oeva-list-request@oeva.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> oeva-list-owner@oeva.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. sad renault ev news (Tony McCormick) >> 2. RE: sad renault ev news (Rick Barnes) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:02:17 -0800 >> From: Tony McCormick >> Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> To: OEVA >> Message-ID: <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, >> just yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The >> battery pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the >> performance and range were perfect... etc.... >> >> On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills >> headed down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started >> bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. >> >> Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >> sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >> drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it >> from >> CarStar, sigh. >> >> Anyone interested in some good parts? >> >> 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >> Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >> E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >> Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >> 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >> Practically new 14" tires and wheels >> Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >> Contactor >> assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches >> >> Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and >> a leg? >> >> -- >> Tony >> http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800 >> From: "Rick Barnes" >> Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> To: "'Tony McCormick'" , "'OEVA'" >> >> Message-ID: <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Tony: >> >> I would have a look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002 had >> a brush >> wire which came loose, and caused some damage to a copper buss strap >> nearby. >> Seems like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I >> cleaned >> everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H brushes and 8 springs ($50 if you >> order from Prestolite Beech Electric at 1800-367-1281). I also >> "improved" >> the insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tape, to >> prevent >> the same sort of problem in the future. >> >> Depending on motor access and what is melted, you may be able to do >> this >> with the motor on the car. >> >> If you are giving up, I may be interested in your parts..... >> >> Rick Barnes >> Aloha, OR >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] >> On Behalf Of Tony McCormick >> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM >> To: OEVA >> Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news >> >> >> My Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's motor on the way home. Sad, >> just yesterday I was telling my wife how pleased I was with it. The >> battery pack is now perfectly broken in and balanced, the >> performance and range were perfect... etc.... >> >> On the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills >> headed down 26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started >> bucking and smelled badly of burned varnish.... tow truck time. >> >> Motor will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think... but not >> sure I care, it cost me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to >> drive it for 2 months. and I just ordered a new windshield for it >> from >> CarStar, sigh. >> >> Anyone interested in some good parts? >> >> 17 - 6 volt US 125 (220AH) in very good shape >> Curtis 1231 C controller with big heat sync >> E-Meter, shunt & prescalar >> Dakota Digital Speedo with inductive pickups >> 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair >> Practically new 14" tires and wheels >> Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger (#18) >> Contactor >> assorted wires, cables, fuses, switches >> >> Or some good advice on what to do now that won't cost me an arm and >> a leg? >> >> -- >> Tony >> http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 >> **************************************** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 17, Issue 10 ***************************************** -------------------------------1111808437 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Tony
 
Sounds like your driveway is steep. We have a rollback trailer with a w= inch=20 we could load it on and unload it in your garage. We also have a car mo= tor=20 lift you could borrow to get it out and reinstall it.
 
Sorry I don't know anything helpful on electric motors. Sound= s=20 like Rick may be able to get it done for you.
 
Do you know for sure what was caused the motor to burn up? You don= 't=20 want to put it all back together and have it happen again.
 
Don Blazer
West Hills Carstar
 
 
 In a message dated 3/25/2005 12:00:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:
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-------------------------------------------------------= ---------------

Message:=20 1
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:05:24 -0800
From: Tony McCormick=20 <tony@notebene.net>
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev=20 news
To: OEVA <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:=20 <424371E4.8090506@notebene.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;=20 charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed

Thanks for all your feedback=20= and=20 encouragement.  I've decided to look at
either fixing or replacin= g=20 the motor...  Once I can figure out how to
get the car up the hil= l=20 into my garage I'll have a better idea what I
can do.  Like get p= ics,=20 measure it etc.  It's hard to move an EV with no=20
motor.

Without some kind of magic though it will be many, many=20 months before I
have time again to do anything as intensive as actuall= y=20 pulling it all
apart so I can take the motor out,  all my weekend= s=20 are booked for the
forseeable future.    In any case, I don'= t=20 have the equipment required
to lift a motor out and wouldn't have a cl= ue=20 how to repair an electric
motor.   So it will  need to=20= be=20 sent off for repair or replaced.   I am
seriously considerin= g=20 replacing it with a better motor that's actually
rated for 120Volts or= =20 better.   But then there's the new adaptor plate
to somehow=20= get=20 made (and paid for)...

So, I'm toying selling the just the battery=20 pack, so someone can get use
of it at least.   17 6volt US 1= 25=20 batteries, $50/each, or $800 for the
pack.  Would that interest=20 anyone?   Wouldn't be much point in selling
just some of the= =20 pack, so I would need enough interest to sell it all or
I'd be better=20= off=20 keeping it.

--Tony

Roy LeMeur wrote:

> Hi=20 Tony
>
> We have prestolite parts at Cloud EV.
>
>= =20 Here are a couple of quick photos-
>=20 http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres01.jpg
>=20 http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres02.jpg
>
> Can you send= =20 some digital photos of the damaged components?
>
> I would bet= we=20 can get you fixed up for a reasonable price.
>
> OTOH, if you=20 decide that you still want to sell...  How much for all?
>
&= gt;=20 .
>
>
>
>
> Roy LeMeur
>=20 cloudevtech@msn.com
> http://www.cloudelectric.com
>=20 http://www.dcelectricsupply.com
>
> Cloud Electric=20 Vehicles
> 19428 66th Ave So, Q-101
> Kent, Washington =20 98032
>
> phone:  425-251-6380
> fax: =20 425-251-6381
> Toll Free: =20 800-648-7716
>
>
>
>
> My Electric Vehicle=20 Pages:
>=20 http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
>
>=20 Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
>=20 http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
>
> EV=20 Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries:
>=20 http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm
>
>
>>>=20 From: Theoldcars@aol.com
>> To: oeva-list@oeva.org
>>=20 Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005=20
>> 12:17:37 EST
>>
>>
>> Hello=20 Tony
>>
>> I hope after your initial disappointment of t= his=20 happening you give
>> Rick's
>> suggestion a=20 try.
>>
>> I just talked to David the manager and the=20 windshield is at the glass
>> shop.
>> We may be able t= o=20 tell them to return it. I am sure they can hang on
>> to it=20 for
>> a  few days to give you some=20 time.
>>
>> I am looking for a Manzanita charger but I w= ould=20 rather see you  back
>> on the
>>=20 road.
>>
>> Don
>> West Hills Carstar
>&g= t;=20 Collision Center
>>
>>
>>  In a message da= ted=20 3/23/2005 5:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>=20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:
>>
>> Send =20 Oeva-list mailing list submissions to
>>=20 oeva-list@oeva.org
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via= the=20 World Wide Web,  visit
>>=20 http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>> or,  via=20 email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>=20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org
>>
>> You can reach the perso= n=20 managing the list  at
>>=20 oeva-list-owner@oeva.org
>>
>> When replying, please=20 edit  your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re:=20 Contents of Oeva-list  digest..."
>>
>>
>>= =20 Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. sad renault ev  news (Tony= =20 McCormick)
>> 2. RE: sad renault ev news (Rick =20 Barnes)
>>
>>
>>=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
= >>
>>=20 Message:  1
>> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:02:17 -0800
>= >=20 From: Tony McCormick  <tony@notebene.net>
>> Subject:=20 [Oeva-list] sad renault ev news
>> To:  OEVA=20 <oeva-list@oeva.org>
>> Message-ID: =20 <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net>
>> Content-Type:=20 text/plain;  charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed
>>
>= ;> My=20 Le Car EV seems to have eaten it's  motor on the way home.  Sad,= =20 just
>> yesterday I was telling my wife how  pleased I was w= ith=20 it.  The battery
>> pack is now perfectly broken in  an= d=20 balanced, the performance and range
>> were perfect...=20 etc....
>>
>> On  the way home it felt a bit sluggi= sh=20 climbing the little hills headed
>> down  26 east, starting=20= up=20 the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it started
>> bucking and =20 smelled badly of burned varnish....   tow truck=20 time.
>>
>> Motor  will turn enough to pull it in t= he=20 garage, I think...  but not
>> sure I  care,  it c= ost=20 me $3K the last time I fixed it up and I got to
>> drive  it= for=20 2 months.   and I just ordered a new windshield for it
>&= gt;=20 from
>> CarStar, sigh.
>>
>> Anyone interested=20= in=20 some good parts?
>>
>> 17 - 6  volt US 125=20 (220AH)  in very good shape
>> Curtis 1231 C controller=20 with  big heat sync
>> E-Meter, shunt &=20 prescalar
>> Dakota Digital Speedo with  inductive=20 pickups
>> 48 volt presolite motor in need of repair
>>=20 Practically  new 14" tires and wheels
>> Manzanita Micro PFC= 20=20 charger  (#18)
>> Contactor
>> assorted wires, cabl= es,=20 fuses, switches
>>
>> Or some  good advice on what=20= to=20 do now that won't cost me an arm and
>> a=20 leg?
>>
>> --
>> Tony
>>=20 http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html
>>
>>
>>= ;
>>=20 ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: =20 2
>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800
>> From: "Ric= k=20 Barnes"  <barnes.rick@comcast.net>
>> Subject: RE:=20 [Oeva-list] sad renault ev  news
>> To: "'Tony McCormick'"=20 <tony@notebene.net>, "'OEVA'"
>>=20 <oeva-list@oeva.org>
>> Message-ID: =20 <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom>
>>=20 Content-Type:  text/plain;   =20 charset=3D"us-ascii"
>>
>> Tony:
>>
>>= I=20 would have a  look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002 had=20
>> a brush
>> wire which  came loose, and caused s= ome=20 damage to a copper buss strap
>> nearby.
>> Seems = =20 like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I 
>&g= t;=20 cleaned
>> everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H brushes and 8=20 springs ($50 if  you
>> order from Prestolite Beech Electric= at=20 1800-367-1281). I also 
>> "improved"
>> the=20 insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tape,  to=20
>> prevent
>> the same sort of problem in the=20 future.
>>
>> Depending on  motor access and what i= s=20 melted, you may be able to do
>> this
>> with the=20 motor  on the car.
>>
>> If you are giving up, I ma= y be=20 interested in your  parts.....
>>
>> Rick=20 Barnes
>> Aloha, OR
>>
>> -----Original =20 Message-----
>> From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org =20 [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tony=20 McCormick
>> Sent:  Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM
>&= gt;=20 To: OEVA
>> Subject: [Oeva-list] sad  renault ev=20 news
>>
>>
>> My Le Car EV seems to have eaten=20= it's=20 motor on the  way home.  Sad, just
>> yesterday I was=20 telling my wife how pleased I  was with it.  The battery
>= >=20 pack is now perfectly broken in and  balanced, the performance and=20 range
>> were perfect... etc....
>>
>> On the&n= bsp;=20 way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills headed
>&g= t;=20 down 26  east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217 it=20 started
>> bucking and  smelled badly of burned=20 varnish....   tow truck time.
>>
>> Motor = ;=20 will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think...  but=20 not
>> sure I  care,  it cost me $3K the last time I fi= xed=20 it up and I got to
>> drive  it for 2 months.   an= d I=20 just ordered a new windshield for it
>> from
>> CarStar= ,=20 sigh.
>>
>> Anyone interested in some good=20 parts?
>>
>> 17 - 6  volt US 125 (220AH)  in v= ery=20 good shape
>> Curtis 1231 C controller with  big heat=20 sync
>> E-Meter, shunt & prescalar
>> Dakota Digital= =20 Speedo with  inductive pickups
>> 48 volt presolite motor in= =20 need of repair
>> Practically  new 14" tires and=20 wheels
>> Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger  (#18)
>>=20 Contactor
>> assorted wires, cables, fuses,=20 switches
>>
>> Or some  good advice on what to do n= ow=20 that won't cost me an arm and
>> a leg?
>>
>>=20= --=20
>> Tony
>>=20 http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html
>>
>>=20 _______________________________________________
>> Oeva-list = ;=20 mailing list
>> Oeva-list@oeva.org =20 http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>>
>>>>
>>
>>=20 ------------------------------
>>
>>=20 _______________________________________________
>> Oeva-list = ;=20 mailing  list
>> Oeva-list@oeva.org
>>=20 http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>>
>>>>=20 End  of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 17, Issue  8
>>=20 ****************************************
>>
>>
>&g= t;
>>=20 _______________________________________________
>> Oeva-list mail= ing=20 list
>> Oeva-list@oeva.org
>>=20 http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>
>
>>=20 _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing=20 list
> Oeva-list@oeva.org
>=20 http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>
>

--=20
Tony
"Welcome to the dawn of a new=20 error"
http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html



---------= ---------------------

Message:=20 2
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:58:14 -0800
From: "Rick Barnes"=20 <barnes.rick@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renaul= t ev=20 news
To: "'Tony McCormick'" <tony@notebene.net>, "'OEVA'"
&nbs= p;=20   <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:=20 <000c01c5313a$4f382170$6800a8c0@laundryroom>
Content-Type:=20 text/plain;    charset=3D"US-ASCII"

I pulled my motor + t= rans=20 using a chain hoist attached to the rafters in my
garage (laid a sectio= n of=20 1" iron pipe across 4 rafters to support the
hoist)

The motor +=20 trans couldn't have weighed more than about 200 lbs, not sure
how much=20= your=20 rig weighs.

It took me about 90 minutes to extract the motor, but m= y=20 car is fairly
uncluttered under the hood...

Rick Barnes
Aloha= ,=20 OR

-----Original Message-----
From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org=20 [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On
Behalf Of Tony McCormick
Sent= :=20 Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:05 PM
To: OEVA
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] R= E:=20 sad renault ev news


Thanks for all your feedback and=20 encouragement.  I've decided to look at
either fixing or replacin= g=20 the motor...  Once I can figure out how to
get the car up the hil= l=20 into my garage I'll have a better idea what I
can do.  Like get p= ics,=20 measure it etc.  It's hard to move an EV with no=20
motor.

Without some kind of magic though it will be many, many=20 months before I
have time again to do anything as intensive as actuall= y=20 pulling it all
apart so I can take the motor out,  all my weekend= s=20 are booked for the
forseeable future.    In any case, I don'= t=20 have the equipment required
to lift a motor out and wouldn't have a cl= ue=20 how to repair an electric
motor.   So it will  need to=20= be=20 sent off for repair or replaced.   I am
seriously considerin= g=20 replacing it with a better motor that's actually
rated for 120Volts or= =20 better.   But then there's the new adaptor plate
to somehow=20= get=20 made (and paid for)...

So, I'm toying selling the just the battery=20 pack, so someone can get use
of it at least.   17 6volt US 1= 25=20 batteries, $50/each, or $800 for the
pack.  Would that interest=20 anyone?   Wouldn't be much point in selling
just some of the= =20 pack, so I would need enough interest to sell it all or
I'd be better=20= off=20 keeping it.

--Tony

Roy LeMeur wrote:

> Hi=20 Tony
>
> We have prestolite parts at Cloud EV.
>
>= =20 Here are a couple of quick photos-
>=20 http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres01.jpg
>=20 http://www.geocities.com/roylemeur/pres02.jpg
>
> Can you send= =20 some digital photos of the damaged components?
>
> I would bet= we=20 can get you fixed up for a reasonable price.
>
> OTOH, if you=20 decide that you still want to sell...  How much for all?
>
&= gt;=20 .
>
>
>
>
> Roy LeMeur
>=20 cloudevtech@msn.com
> http://www.cloudelectric.com
>=20 http://www.dcelectricsupply.com
>
> Cloud Electric=20 Vehicles
> 19428 66th Ave So, Q-101
> Kent, Washington =20 98032
>
> phone:  425-251-6380
> fax: =20 425-251-6381
> Toll Free: =20 800-648-7716
>
>
>
>
> My Electric Vehicle=20 Pages:
>=20 http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
>
>=20 Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
>=20 http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
>
> EV=20 Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries:
>=20 http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm
>
>
>>>=20 From: Theoldcars@aol.com
>> To: oeva-list@oeva.org
>>=20 Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: sad renault ev news Date: Thu, 24 Mar=20 2005
>> 12:17:37 EST
>>
>>
>> Hello=20 Tony
>>
>> I hope after your initial disappointment of t= his=20 happening you give
>> Rick's
>> suggestion a=20 try.
>>
>> I just talked to David the manager and the=20 windshield is at the glass
>> shop.
>> We may be able to= =20 tell them to return it. I am sure they can hang on
>> to it=20 for
>> a  few days to give you some=20 time.
>>
>> I am looking for a Manzanita charger but I w= ould=20 rather see you  back
>> on the
>>=20 road.
>>
>> Don
>> West Hills Carstar
>&g= t;=20 Collision Center
>>
>>
>>  In a message da= ted=20 3/23/2005 5:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>=20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:
>>
>> Send =20 Oeva-list mailing list submissions to=20 oeva-list@oeva.org
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via= the=20 World Wide Web,  visit
>>=20 http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>> or,  via=20 email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>=20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org
>>
>> You can reach the perso= n=20 managing the list  at
>>=20 oeva-list-owner@oeva.org
>>
>> When replying, please=20 edit  your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re:= =20 Contents of Oeva-list  digest..."
>>
>>
>>= =20 Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. sad renault ev  news (Tony= =20 McCormick)
>> 2. RE: sad renault ev news (Rick =20 Barnes)
>>
>>
>>=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
&= gt;>=20 -
>>
>> Message:  1
>> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2= 005=20 21:02:17 -0800
>> From: Tony McCormick =20 <tony@notebene.net>
>> Subject: [Oeva-list] sad renault ev=20 news
>> To:  OEVA <oeva-list@oeva.org>
>>=20 Message-ID:  <4240F859.6020305@notebene.net>
>>=20 Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=3DISO-8859-1;=20 format=3Dflowed
>>
>> My Le Car EV seems to have eaten=20 it's  motor on the way home.  Sad,
>> just yesterday I= was=20 telling my wife how  pleased I was with it.  The
>>=20 battery pack is now perfectly broken in  and balanced, the
>&g= t;=20 performance and range were perfect... etc....
>>
>> On&n= bsp;=20 the way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills
>>= =20 headed down  26 east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hill to 217=20 it
started
>> bucking and  smelled badly of burned=20 varnish....   tow truck time.
>>
>> Motor = ;=20 will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think...  but not=20
>> sure I  care,  it cost me $3K the last time I fixed= it=20 up and I got to
>> drive  it for 2 months.   and I= =20 just ordered a new windshield for it
>> from
>> CarStar= ,=20 sigh.
>>
>> Anyone interested in some good=20 parts?
>>
>> 17 - 6  volt US 125 (220AH)  in v= ery=20 good shape
>> Curtis 1231 C controller with  big heat=20 sync
>> E-Meter, shunt & prescalar
>> Dakota Digital= =20 Speedo with  inductive pickups
>> 48 volt presolite motor in= =20 need of repair
>> Practically  new 14" tires and=20 wheels
>> Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger  (#18)
>>=20 Contactor
>> assorted wires, cables, fuses,=20 switches
>>
>> Or some  good advice on what to do n= ow=20 that won't cost me an arm and
>> a leg?
>>
>>=20 --
>> Tony
>>=20 http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html
>>
>>
>>= ;
>>=20 ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: =20 2
>> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:22:28 -0800
>> From: "Ric= k=20 Barnes"  <barnes.rick@comcast.net>
>> Subject: RE:=20 [Oeva-list] sad renault ev  news
>> To: "'Tony McCormick'"=20 <tony@notebene.net>, "'OEVA'"
>>=20 <oeva-list@oeva.org>
>> Message-ID: =20 <000001c52fab$5d01f690$6800a8c0@laundryroom>
>>=20 Content-Type:  text/plain;   =20 charset=3D"us-ascii"
>>
>> Tony:
>>
>>= I=20 would have a  look at the motor brushes. My Prestolite MAV-4002=20 had
>> a brush
>> wire which  came loose, and cause= d=20 some damage to a copper buss strap
>> nearby.
>>=20 Seems  like a poor design around the brush area on that motor. I = ;=20
>> cleaned
>> everything up, installed 8 new MGP12H bru= shes=20 and 8 springs ($50 if  you
>> order from Prestolite Beech=20 Electric at 1800-367-1281). I also 
>> "improved"
>&g= t;=20 the insulation on the copper buss straps with fiberglass tape,  to=20
>> prevent
>> the same sort of problem in the=20 future.
>>
>> Depending on  motor access and what i= s=20 melted, you may be able to do
>> this
>> with the=20 motor  on the car.
>>
>> If you are giving up, I ma= y be=20 interested in your  parts.....
>>
>> Rick=20 Barnes
>> Aloha, OR
>>
>> -----Original =20 Message-----
>> From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org =20 [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]
>> On Behalf Of Tony=20 McCormick
>> Sent:  Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:02 PM
>&= gt;=20 To: OEVA
>> Subject: [Oeva-list] sad  renault ev=20 news
>>
>>
>> My Le Car EV seems to have eaten=20= it's=20 motor on the  way home.  Sad,
>> just yesterday I was=20 telling my wife how pleased I  was with it.  The
>>=20 battery pack is now perfectly broken in and  balanced, the
>&g= t;=20 performance and range were perfect... etc....
>>
>> On=20 the  way home it felt a bit sluggish climbing the little hills=20
>> headed down 26  east, starting up the climb at Cedar Hil= l to=20 217 it
started
>> bucking and  smelled badly of burned=20 varnish....   tow truck time.
>>
>> Motor = ;=20 will turn enough to pull it in the garage, I think...  but not=20
>> sure I  care,  it cost me $3K the last time I fixed= it=20 up and I got to
>> drive  it for 2 months.   and I= =20 just ordered a new windshield for it
>> from
>> CarStar= ,=20 sigh.
>>
>> Anyone interested in some good=20 parts?
>>
>> 17 - 6  volt US 125 (220AH)  in v= ery=20 good shape
>> Curtis 1231 C controller with  big heat=20 sync
>> E-Meter, shunt & prescalar
>> Dakota Digital= =20 Speedo with  inductive pickups
>> 48 volt presolite motor in= =20 need of repair
>> Practically  new 14" tires and=20 wheels
>> Manzanita Micro PFC 20 charger  (#18)
>>=20 Contactor
>> assorted wires, cables, fuses,=20 switches
>>
>> Or some  good advice on what to do n= ow=20 that won't cost me an arm and
>> a leg?
>>
>>=20 --
>> Tony
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>>
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 -------------------------------1111808437-- From travis@raybold.com Mon Mar 28 21:56:14 2005 Received: from fallback-mx1.atl.registeredsite.com (fallback-mx1.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.95]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2T5uDxh056367 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:56:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from travis@raybold.com) Received: from mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (mail7.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.81]) by fallback-mx1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2T4pESU028081 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:51:14 GMT Received: from mail.raybold.com (mail.raybold.com [209.35.0.69]) by mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2T4pDfu010551 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:51:13 GMT Received: from [10.168.241.100] [209.35.0.69] by mail.raybold.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AEBF1C30140; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:51:11 -0500 Message-ID: <4248E0D9.3080908@raybold.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:00:09 -0800 From: Travis Raybold User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] looking for an ev mechanic... X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:56:14 -0000 i know there are plenty of folks with the skills, is anyone interested in doing a little mechanical work for me on my little fiat spider? last friday it started clicking (kind of sounds like a relay switching repeatedly) while im driving, and then would occasionally lose some or all of the power. it does ok if i keep the speed under 25 (clicks but doesnt lose power), but starts losing power above that. controller going bad (DCPower 600)? i also have a pfc30 that i need to install (with bus connections to the regs that are already installed). while replacing the batteries and installing the regs i melted a battery terminal in a huge shower of sparks that has made me quite hesitant to try to work on this thing more, but i absolutely love driving it, so i would really like to find someone who can take care of these issues as they come up. it could probably be driven to somewhere in southeast portland if it is easier for you to work at your shop, or i have a garage where it can be worked on here (~120th and foster). if you would be interested, or know of someone who might, let me know, id love to get it back on the road as soon as possible! thanks, --travis From matwete@comcast.net Mon Mar 28 22:07:19 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2T67JHq058284 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:07:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matwete@comcast.net) Received: from laptop (c-24-21-83-123.client.comcast.net[24.21.83.123]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050329060713015001d67ce>; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:07:14 +0000 From: "Myles Twete" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] looking for an ev mechanic... Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:07:08 -0800 Message-ID: <001501c53425$8a9e9490$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4248E0D9.3080908@raybold.com> Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matwete@comcast.net List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:07:20 -0000 Travis- Any chance your motor's brushes are going south? -Myles From tony@notebene.net Tue Mar 29 17:18:32 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2U1IVPM010426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:18:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC756DC0DC for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90AEE845EB7 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:18:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4249FE96.3010906@notebene.net> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:19:18 -0800 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Thanks Don X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:18:32 -0000 Thanks to Don Blazer and the Westhills CarStar rollback trailer my car is now in the garage where I can actually start to take a real look at it! -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html From barnes.rick@comcast.net Wed Mar 30 05:41:58 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2UDfwgL056079 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:41:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.client.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050330133642015001euhoe>; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:36:42 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: "'Travis Raybold'" , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] looking for an ev mechanic... Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:36:42 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c5352d$826b7cd0$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <4248E0D9.3080908@raybold.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:41:59 -0000 Have you checked your 12V starting battery? Possibly low voltage is allowing the relay to drop out.... Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Travis Raybold Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:00 PM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] looking for an ev mechanic... i know there are plenty of folks with the skills, is anyone interested in doing a little mechanical work for me on my little fiat spider? last friday it started clicking (kind of sounds like a relay switching repeatedly) while im driving, and then would occasionally lose some or all of the power. it does ok if i keep the speed under 25 (clicks but doesnt lose power), but starts losing power above that. controller going bad (DCPower 600)? i also have a pfc30 that i need to install (with bus connections to the regs that are already installed). while replacing the batteries and installing the regs i melted a battery terminal in a huge shower of sparks that has made me quite hesitant to try to work on this thing more, but i absolutely love driving it, so i would really like to find someone who can take care of these issues as they come up. it could probably be driven to somewhere in southeast portland if it is easier for you to work at your shop, or i have a garage where it can be worked on here (~120th and foster). if you would be interested, or know of someone who might, let me know, id love to get it back on the road as soon as possible! thanks, --travis _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From tony@notebene.net Wed Mar 30 09:15:38 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2UHFcD6004627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:15:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E08F6DC0E2; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A277845F88; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:15:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <424ADEF6.1060703@notebene.net> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:16:38 -0800 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Lack of a EV mechanic in portland X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:15:39 -0000 All, This issue with a lack of an "EV" mechanic in portland is a big one. I think the members of the OEVA could come up with a solution that would make owning and EV and/or building one in the area more palatable. For instance: I recall that one of the califonia EV clubs has a once a month 'clinic' where you can bring your EV, or the group gathers where ever your EV is, and helps diagnose and/or fix problems. We jointly have all the talent needed to pull that off. People could sign up to be the next subject of the clinic and more than one could be done if they are drivable. EV club meetings are OK, but got uninteresting (for me) once I'd been to 15 or so... :-) If you've never seen an EV they are a good place to start, but if your a daily driver they are not a very helpful venue. Helping someone get they're EV drivable is very rewarding and getting help is critical, I know this for a fact :-) -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html From matwete@comcast.net Wed Mar 30 13:31:22 2005 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2ULVMb1067344 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:31:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matwete@comcast.net) Received: from laptop (c-24-21-83-123.client.comcast.net[24.21.83.123]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005033021222801100c3irse>; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:22:28 +0000 From: "Myles Twete" To: Subject: FW: [Oeva-list] Lack of a EV mechanic in portland Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:22:17 -0800 Message-ID: <003a01c5356e$8da89ec0$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matwete@comcast.net List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:31:23 -0000 Great idea Tony! Say, we have this list, right? Why not invite us all over? Start off the trend----I'll come over. Then next month, I'd like to invite folks over to RiversWest at Oaks Park in SE Portland to see my 26ft electric outboard powered boat, which I'm now doing hull work and other repairs on daily. In fact, anyone's invited whenever I'm there to check it out. Just call first: 503-267-6465 (my cell#) I hope to be redoing my outside benches on the boat in a couple weeks and will be relocating the batteries into their new boxes---right now 1 string is at home and the other 36v string is on the floor at the boat shop, jumper cabled to the boat... I had hoped to get to build a solar bimini in the shop, but time will likely run out before that happens----I have to get the boat out of the shop and back in the water in May... Back on subject, indeed, let's have a diagnostic/work party/show-n-tell at Tony's, Travis's, George's, RiversWest and other sites---and why not just issue an invite to this list and see how it goes? Incidentally, each 3rd Saturday morning at RiversWest is official OPEN HOUSE. Also, each Monday nite is shop nite, and I'm there as well as long as I have work to do...then again, I'm there nearly every afternoon too... -Myles Twete, Reach of Tide 26' electric wooden scow barge cruiser http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/492.html > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On > Behalf Of Tony McCormick > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:17 AM > To: OEVA > Subject: [Oeva-list] Lack of a EV mechanic in portland > > > All, > This issue with a lack of an "EV" mechanic in portland is a > big one. I > think the members of the OEVA could come up with a solution > that would > make owning and EV and/or building one in the area more palatable. > > For instance: I recall that one of the califonia EV clubs > has a once a > month 'clinic' where you can bring your EV, or the group > gathers where > ever your EV is, and helps diagnose and/or fix problems. > We jointly > have all the talent needed to pull that off. People could > sign up to be > the next subject of the clinic and more than one could be > done if they > are drivable. > > EV club meetings are OK, but got uninteresting (for me) once > I'd been to > 15 or so... :-) If you've never seen an EV they are a good place to > start, but if your a daily driver they are not a very helpful > venue. > Helping someone get they're EV drivable is very rewarding and getting > help is critical, I know this for a fact :-) > > -- > Tony > "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" > http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From JRay3@aol.com Wed Mar 30 16:06:51 2005 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2V06pAe002420 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:06:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from JRay3@aol.com) Received: from JRay3@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.19e.305b872e (16087) for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d48 (mblk-d48.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.232]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed7424b3f1123c; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:06:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:06:40 -0500 Message-Id: <8C7039CA65A8386-500-51F4C@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> From: jray3@aol.com References: <200503302000.j2UK0OHj045033@agora.rdrop.com> Received: from 159.121.9.50 by mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.232) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:06:40 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200503302000.j2UK0OHj045033@agora.rdrop.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.11984 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MailBlocks_8C7039CA63DE74E_500_5832F_mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.232 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: EV Mechanics in Portland X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:06:51 -0000 ----------MailBlocks_8C7039CA63DE74E_500_5832F_mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" While I'm thankful for the interesting speakers that are now being lined up for OEVA meeting's I'll give Tony's call for "EV Clinics" a hearty second. We've talked about a possible "Garage Crawl" as a Saturday EVent idea. Seeing everyone's ev accessories, tools, and techniques firsthand would do more for me than several meetings worth of monthy 'project updates'. Cheers, Jay Donnaway ----------MailBlocks_8C7039CA63DE74E_500_5832F_mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
While I'm thankful for the interesting speakers that are now being lined up for OEVA meeting's I'll give Tony's call for "EV Clinics" a hearty second.  We've talked about a possible "Garage Crawl" as a Saturday EVent idea.  Seeing everyone's ev accessories, tools, and techniques firsthand would do more for me than several meetings worth of monthy 'project updates'. 
Cheers,
Jay Donnaway
----------MailBlocks_8C7039CA63DE74E_500_5832F_mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com-- From tony@notebene.net Wed Mar 30 18:35:18 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2V2ZHHL036149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:35:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DBD6DC00B; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D143845EB7; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:35:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <424B621A.80401@notebene.net> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:36:10 -0800 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matwete@comcast.net Subject: Re: FW: [Oeva-list] Lack of a EV mechanic in portland References: <003a01c5356e$8da89ec0$0200a8c0@laptop> In-Reply-To: <003a01c5356e$8da89ec0$0200a8c0@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:35:19 -0000 Though I was thinking of something a bit more formal and "sponsored" by the OEVA..... :-) I'm going to take Myles advise. Since my weekends are going to be sucked up very soon, I here by, officially, invite anyone that would like to help me diagnose my EV problem and perhaps help me disassemble what ever is needed to accomplish that, to come to my house around 1pm on Saturday April 2nd. I am at: 11725 SW Springwood Dr, Tigard Or 97223 Google Map link (may need to be reassemble, depending on your email client) http://maps.google.com/maps?q=11725%20SW%20Springwood%20Dr%2C%20Tigard%20Or%2097223&spn=0.021851%2C0.030612&hl=en (503)590-6464 if you get lost. -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html Myles Twete wrote: >Great idea Tony! >Say, we have this list, right? >Why not invite us all over? >Start off the trend----I'll come over. >Then next month, I'd like to invite folks over to RiversWest at Oaks Park in >SE Portland to see my 26ft electric outboard powered boat, which I'm now >doing hull work and other repairs on daily. >In fact, anyone's invited whenever I'm there to check it out. >Just call first: 503-267-6465 (my cell#) >I hope to be redoing my outside benches on the boat in a couple weeks and >will be relocating the batteries into their new boxes---right now 1 string >is at home and the other 36v string is on the floor at the boat shop, jumper >cabled to the boat... > > From Theoldcars@aol.com Wed Mar 30 20:12:32 2005 Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2V4CVJn055121 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:12:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.19d.30bc5228 (4328) for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:12:23 -0500 (EST) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <19d.30bc5228.2f7cd2a7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:12:23 EST To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1112242343" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Report to Congress on engery X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:12:32 -0000 -------------------------------1112242343 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I highly recommend reading the report at the link below. Takes about 20 minutes and you don't need the graphs. _www.energybulletin.net/newswire.php?id=4733_ (http://www.energybulletin.net/newswire.php?id=4733) Don Blazer West Hills Carstar -------------------------------1112242343 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I highly recommend reading the report at the link below. Takes about 20= =20 minutes and you don't need the graphs.
 
www.energybull= etin.net/newswire.php?id=3D4733
 
Don Blazer
West Hills Carstar
 -------------------------------1112242343-- From Theoldcars@aol.com Wed Mar 30 20:40:41 2005 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2V4eeP9060133 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:40:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id 6.1da.39468991 (4328) for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:40:25 -0500 (EST) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <1da.39468991.2f7cd939@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:40:25 EST To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1112244025" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Tony & EV mechanic X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:40:41 -0000 -------------------------------1112244025 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony Your welcome. Interesting idea are there other EV clubs doing this? Rick I can understand you not wanting to get back in there. I have wired several commercial buildings with 110 and 220. I just pulled my first battery pack and even with a dead pack I am way out of my comfort zone. I am not thrilled about putting it back together and in with 312 volts. Don Blazer West Hills Carstar Today's Topics: 1. Thanks Don (Tony McCormick) 2. RE: looking for an ev mechanic... (Rick Barnes) 3. Lack of a EV mechanic in portland (Tony McCormick) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:19:18 -0800 From: Tony McCormick Subject: [Oeva-list] Thanks Don To: OEVA Message-ID: <4249FE96.3010906@notebene.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks to Don Blazer and the Westhills CarStar rollback trailer my car is now in the garage where I can actually start to take a real look at it! -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:36:42 -0800 From: "Rick Barnes" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] looking for an ev mechanic... To: "'Travis Raybold'" , Message-ID: <000c01c5352d$826b7cd0$6800a8c0@laundryroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Have you checked your 12V starting battery? Possibly low voltage is allowing the relay to drop out.... Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Travis Raybold Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:00 PM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] looking for an ev mechanic... i know there are plenty of folks with the skills, is anyone interested in doing a little mechanical work for me on my little fiat spider? last friday it started clicking (kind of sounds like a relay switching repeatedly) while im driving, and then would occasionally lose some or all of the power. it does ok if i keep the speed under 25 (clicks but doesnt lose power), but starts losing power above that. controller going bad (DCPower 600)? i also have a pfc30 that i need to install (with bus connections to the regs that are already installed). while replacing the batteries and installing the regs i melted a battery terminal in a huge shower of sparks that has made me quite hesitant to try to work on this thing more, but i absolutely love driving it, so i would really like to find someone who can take care of these issues as they come up. it could probably be driven to somewhere in southeast portland if it is easier for you to work at your shop, or i have a garage where it can be worked on here (~120th and foster). if you would be interested, or know of someone who might, let me know, id love to get it back on the road as soon as possible! thanks, --travis _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:16:38 -0800 From: Tony McCormick Subject: [Oeva-list] Lack of a EV mechanic in portland To: OEVA Message-ID: <424ADEF6.1060703@notebene.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed All, This issue with a lack of an "EV" mechanic in portland is a big one. I think the members of the OEVA could come up with a solution that would make owning and EV and/or building one in the area more palatable. For instance: I recall that one of the califonia EV clubs has a once a month 'clinic' where you can bring your EV, or the group gathers where ever your EV is, and helps diagnose and/or fix problems. We jointly have all the talent needed to pull that off. People could sign up to be the next subject of the clinic and more than one could be done if they are drivable. EV club meetings are OK, but got uninteresting (for me) once I'd been to 15 or so... :-) If you've never seen an EV they are a good place to start, but if your a daily driver they are not a very helpful venue. Helping someone get they're EV drivable is very rewarding and getting help is critical, I know this for a fact :-) -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html -------------------------------1112244025 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tony
 
Your welcome. Interesting idea are there other EV clubs doing this?
 
 Rick
 
I can understand you not wanting to get back in there. I=20 have wired several commercial buildings with 110 and=20 220.  I just pulled my first battery pack and even with a dea= d=20 pack I am way out of my comfort zone. I am not thrilled about putting i= t=20 back together and in with 312 volts.
 
Don Blazer
West Hills Carstar

Today's Topics:

   1. Thanks= Don=20 (Tony McCormick)
   2. RE: looking for an ev mechanic... (Rick=20 Barnes)
   3. Lack of a EV mechanic in portland (Tony=20 McCormick)


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Message:=20 1
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:19:18 -0800
From: Tony McCormick=20 <tony@notebene.net>
Subject: [Oeva-list] Thanks Don
To: OEVA=20 <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:=20 <4249FE96.3010906@notebene.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;=20 charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed

Thanks to Don Blazer and the We= sthills=20 CarStar rollback trailer my car
is now in the garage where I can actuall= y=20 start to take a real look at
it!  

--
Tony
"Wel= come=20 to the dawn of a new=20 error"
http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html



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Message:=20 2
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 05:36:42 -0800
From: "Rick Barnes"=20 <barnes.rick@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] looking for an e= v=20 mechanic...
To: "'Travis Raybold'" <travis@raybold.com>,=20 <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:=20 <000c01c5352d$826b7cd0$6800a8c0@laundryroom>
Content-Type:=20 text/plain;    charset=3D"US-ASCII"

Have you checked your 1= 2V=20 starting battery? Possibly low voltage is allowing
the relay to drop=20 out....

Rick Barnes
Aloha, OR

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org=20 [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Raybold
Sent:=20 Monday, March 28, 2005 9:00 PM
To: oeva-list@oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-l= ist]=20 looking for an ev mechanic...


i know there are plenty of folks wi= th=20 the skills, is anyone interested
in doing a little mechanical work for m= e on=20 my little fiat spider?

last friday it started clicking (kind of sound= s=20 like a relay switching
repeatedly) while im driving, and then would=20 occasionally lose some or
all of the power. it does ok if i keep the spe= ed=20 under 25 (clicks but
doesnt lose power), but starts losing power above t= hat.=20 controller going
bad (DCPower 600)?

i also have a pfc30 that i ne= ed=20 to install (with bus connections to the
regs that are already=20 installed).

while replacing the batteries and installing the regs i=20 melted a battery
terminal in a huge shower of sparks that has made me qu= ite=20 hesitant to
try to work on this thing more, but i absolutely love drivin= g=20 it, so i
would really like to find someone who can take care of these is= sues=20 as
they come up. it could probably be driven to somewhere in southeast=20
portland if it is easier for you to work at your shop, or i have a=20
garage where it can be worked on here (~120th and foster).

if you= =20 would be interested, or know of someone who might, let me know,
id love=20= to=20 get it back on the road as soon as=20 possible!

thanks,

--travis
________________________________= _______________
Oeva-list=20 mailing list
Oeva-list@oeva.org=20 http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list



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Message:=20 3
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:16:38 -0800
From: Tony McCormick=20 <tony@notebene.net>
Subject: [Oeva-list] Lack of a EV mechanic in=20 portland
To: OEVA <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:=20 <424ADEF6.1060703@notebene.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;=20 charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed

All,
This issue with a lack=20= of an=20 "EV" mechanic in portland is a big one.   I
think the members=20= of=20 the OEVA could come up with a solution that would
make owning and EV and= /or=20 building one in the area more palatable. 

For instance:  I= =20 recall that one of the califonia EV clubs has a once a
month 'clinic'&nb= sp;=20 where you can bring your EV, or the group gathers where
ever your EV is,= and=20 helps diagnose and/or fix problems.    We jointly
have all the= =20 talent needed to pull that off.  People could sign up to be
the nex= t=20 subject of the clinic and more than one could be done if they
are drivab= le.=20

EV club meetings are OK, but got uninteresting (for me) once I'd bee= n to=20
15 or so... :-)  If you've never seen an EV they are a good place t= o=20
start, but if your a daily driver they are not a very helpful=20 venue.  
Helping someone get they're EV drivable is very rewar= ding=20 and getting
help is critical,  I know this for a fact :-)

--= =20
Tony
"Welcome to the dawn of a new=20 error"
http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html
 -------------------------------1112244025-- From tony@notebene.net Wed Mar 30 23:02:28 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2V72R3s090357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:02:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6653640B1 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A159845F7A for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:02:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <424BA0F2.3060103@notebene.net> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:04:18 -0800 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Tony & EV mechanic References: <1da.39468991.2f7cd939@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1da.39468991.2f7cd939@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040303020004040806040800" X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:02:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040303020004040806040800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe that one of the California clubs was doing this (or something like it). --Tony Theoldcars@aol.com wrote: > Tony > > Your welcome. Interesting idea are there other EV clubs doing this? > --------------040303020004040806040800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe that one of the California clubs was doing this (or something like it).  
--Tony

Theoldcars@aol.com wrote:
Tony
 
Your welcome. Interesting idea are there other EV clubs doing this?
 

--------------040303020004040806040800-- From tony@notebene.net Sun Apr 3 19:29:36 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j342TZ9D054716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:29:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93ACA6DC036 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CB7845EF7 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4250A6DB.7000105@notebene.net> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 19:30:51 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] Tony's Renault EV update X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:29:36 -0000 Saga of the probably damaged 48volt prestolite motor: No one was able to make it to my house saturday on such short notice, but I spent some quailty time with the EV. Nothing was obvious from visual inspection, so I charged the batteries back up to full, in case I had to pull the out and did a simple by-pass test. I disconnected the motor from the controller and directly jumpered 12volts to it (the motor) through the contactor. Powered up the contactor and got nothing, no motor movement, not smoke/smell. The contactor closed with the usual loud click, so I bet it's fine. Next stop, remove all the batteries and stuff under the hood and pull the motor... I have a friend who will sell me a ADC 8" 72V-120v for $900.00 does that sound like a good price? I figure if I got to pull the motor I might as well put a better one back in. Gary G... I'll need that motor hoist :-) -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html From matwete@comcast.net Mon Apr 4 10:01:54 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j34H1rfo049927 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matwete@comcast.net) Received: from laptop (c-24-22-108-198.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.22.108.198]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005040417014501300dnhore>; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:01:45 +0000 From: "Myles Twete" To: "'OEVA'" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Tony's Renault EV update Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:01:43 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c53937$fb25cc30$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4250A6DB.7000105@notebene.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matwete@comcast.net List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:01:54 -0000 Thanks for the update, Tony, and I wish I could've made it... Let us know when you decide to do the next session and maybe I/we can make it out. Now, just because your motor didn't turn, does that mean it's totally DOA, or can we still consider that maybe all you need is a new clean set of brushes? That shouldn't cost much I should think. Also, I seem to remember David Chapman (Mr. surplus monger) on the EV list saying he had oodles of surplus brushes on hand...maybe he has some that fit the Prestolite for cheap. I do like the idea of upgrading to a better motor...with my boat, it's been a saga of continuous upgrading. Even now, while it's on dry land and in Rivers West's Oaks Park shop, I'm thinking of things I can do to make the boat go back into the water not just better than before, but noticeably better---e.g. nice new brass nav lights....on the electrical end, I want to rewire and would like a better, more efficient charging system---one I can plug into my 2kw genset and get more power out of ---- hence my interest in a PFC-30...but Chris had a great suggestion: try looking at RV chargers----in fact, IOTA makes 12, 24, 36 and 48v On/Off chargers with external, optional $35 3-stage controllers. At approx. 30cents/watt, a 36v, 40a 80% efficient charging setup can be had for about $420 plus $70 for the controllers...i.e. about $500...much cheaper than a PFC-30 for my 36v, 40a application. Well, then I stumbled on a pile of surplus Vicor module blocks for dirt cheap. And that got me thinking of the Vicor option, if for nothing other than an efficient genset-delivered charging option. I'm now considering using Vicor's FlatPac 78-88% efficient (48v/300w) charger modules, which I can get for $40 each delivered...5 of these will get me an efficient 1.5kw charger from the AC out of my genset for only $200. If needed, I would have to create the 3-stage charger feature, but $200 for 34-38amps of DC charge current from my 1.6kwAC genset output ain't bad...oh yeah, there's the other detail I need to consider: while I can trim these Flatpac 48v units down to 36v, I'm not sure about paralleling their outputs...that may be dicey, and would likely require me to make a current sharing box----i.e more buck$... But if that's doable, now I'm thinking, why stop with 5 of these? Why not get 3.6kw worth of them ($480) and have the ability to recharge at nearly 100amps (.22C) when I have 30amp service at a particular transient dock? Thanks for getting me going on this Chris! -Myles Twete, electric "Reach of Tide" 26ft wooden flat-bottom scow cruiser From gary.graunke@intel.com Mon Apr 4 10:53:49 2005 Received: from orsfmr003.jf.intel.com (fmr18.intel.com [134.134.136.17]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j34Hrm6N063870 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from orsfmr101.jf.intel.com (orsfmr101.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.17]) by orsfmr003.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc, v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id j34HNJdY018392 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:23:19 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.206]) by orsfmr101.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc, v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id j34HMSep024827 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:23:19 GMT Received: from orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.56]) by orsmsxvs040.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.7.47) with SMTP id M2005040410231803975 for ; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:23:18 -0700 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:23:18 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:23:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EV lifecycle support network (EV mechanics, etc) and April agenda Thread-Index: AcU4voMUk7ehTlTSRq644mnDZSRomgAeHMeA From: "Graunke, Gary" To: "OEVA" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2005 17:23:18.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE468CD0:01C5393A] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j34Hrm6N063870 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV lifecycle support network (EV mechanics, etc) and April agenda X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:49 -0000 Just got back from Austin EAA chapters conference--more at Apr 14 meeting. A lot of the recent postings suggest we should get moving on addressing the total life cycle needs of EV owners. We start with EV awareness (an area we have traditionally addressed, and we're making good progress!). The next step is to help people obtain appropriate EV's (a big problem, but some bright spots!). As recent posts have suggested, we need EV maintance support (auto, electrical, battery). Public charging infrastructure needs to permit travel around town and along I5. We need to help provide a decent secondary market for quality used EV's when people's needs change. I'd like to find people willing to take on one of these areas, so we can make steady progress. Most of us are pretty busy, but can provide some time and resources. Let's also discuss creating a formal inventory of resources (this is helpful for new members, primarily, who don't know everyone yet). While we are thinking primarily of local resources, regional and global resources would also be good to catalog. The idea of a garage crawl event some weekend also is a great way to get an informal inventory started! After that, project weekends are a great way to get someone going quickly whether a new conversion or repair/maintenance activity. We could set up a regular weekend each month for this. (Just get a good group of skilled engineers and technicians together on a regular basis--Discovery channel optional!). We should talk about this at the April 14 meeting. Gary PS, We should also be having a talk on hub motors April 14. (Eric, did you get the contact info?) PPS, Coming in May, a talk from a local Segway dealer! From ejts@netzero.net Mon Apr 4 11:35:06 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j34IZ43A074836 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail24.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.164]) by smtpout01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBFDCE9AGY47CJ for (sender ); Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:34:07 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qqFLNHr4NavmCAzeyu9Q+4+aFdEkqpFuTg== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail24.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KPRWWEKW; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:33:56 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail24.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:33:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:33:51 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] April agenda X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050404.113356.10313.211226@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:647584823 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:35:07 -0000 Hello all, No, I haven't heard anything. Thanks for the reminder. I just now sent the scheduled presenter a message asking for some info and for confirmation on his plans to attend. I'll let everyone know once I hear anything. I hoping to get a little something to put on the web site. We'll see. Again, thanks for the reminder. -- Eric ------------ Original Message ------------ -snip- Gary PS, We should also be having a talk on hub motors April 14. (Eric, did you get the contact info?) PPS, Coming in May, a talk from a local Segway dealer! From ejts@netzero.net Mon Apr 4 12:23:43 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j34JNbZ4088220 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:23:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail28.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.168]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBFDFBLAWXN6M2 for (sender ); Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:23:22 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qtxs3CAHP79jWtWZI3egBpF69cq0y18ElA== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail28.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KPRZP3XK; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:22:55 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail28.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:22:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:22:40 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050404.122255.5300.212780@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:3:3555140239 Subject: [Oeva-list] Presentation at April OEVA meeting confirmed X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:23:45 -0000 Hello all, Just got a (quick) reply from David Browning, who will be presenting the Apex Axial Flux Motor technology at the April 14th meeting. He will be discussing the configuration of the Apex motor and discussing the advantages of the technology as a wheel drive solution for electric vehicles. (Note: most of those words are his.) I just thought everyone should know that the schedule is intact. -- Eric PS: Ross, if you don't get this, let me know and I'll forward you David's email to see if you want to put a note on the web site about the 4/14 meeting. From rolson@gmail.com Mon Apr 4 12:56:01 2005 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j34Ju0Wk097519 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:56:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so904034rnf for ; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:56:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XgB/A4qLli703NcbcShzuglUalQVBkmSXTLUVBxATD7K0pfLHYvlHbwN5o678FCtVhjfPIDaaNTjJIKYOe5DaIv8ko/G3NZvFN6G4Qpyv/UCsGMGg4epXCgJ/VtDKRAiC2BHv9PwRsN5g1ZRD7PM9WpShswg1kQW4vlwmNTBxkU= Received: by 10.38.150.29 with SMTP id x29mr2188627rnd; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.109? ([209.162.205.68]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 64sm153556rna.2005.04.04.12.41.13; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 12:41:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20050404.122255.5300.212780@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> References: <20050404.122255.5300.212780@webmail28.nyc.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <77C87EB7-A541-11D9-93DF-00039344DDD6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Presentation at April OEVA meeting confirmed Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:40:58 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:56:01 -0000 On Apr 4, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Eric Johnson wrote: > PS: Ross, if you don't get this, let me know Eric, remind me to sign you up for a rudimentary Logic class. > I'll forward you David's email to see if you want to put a note on the > web site about the 4/14 meeting. > Yes please. ...Ross... From chrish@oeconline.org Wed Apr 6 14:41:06 2005 Received: from oecbrain.orcouncil.local (mail.oeconline.org [67.154.186.146]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j36Lf6Ko053448 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrish@oeconline.org) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C53AF2.256DA710" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:46:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" Fleets Thread-Index: AcU68RYY52ljt4jUR8KHDI5wJv3GIg== From: "Chris Hagerbaumer" To: Subject: [Oeva-list] The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" Fleets X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:41:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53AF2.256DA710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oregon Environmental Council Forum for Business & the Environment The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" Fleets April 21, 2005=20 7:00 AM to 9:00 AM Multnomah Athletic Club, 1849 SW Salmon, Portland As gas prices climb, businesses and individuals are beginning to recognize that gas sipping cars make sense for their bottom line. Oregonians are purchasing hybrid gas-electric cars at a rate five times higher than the national average. Many fleets are not only "going green," but also saving money by downsizing vehicles, purchasing hybrids, and outsourcing services to "car sharing" companies. Bob Epstein, CEO of Environmental Entrepreneurs, and Deron Lovaas, Vehicles Campaign Director & Deputy Director for the Smart Growth and Transportation Program of the Natural Resources Defense Council, will discuss cutting edge strategies for fleet managers and the nation's first tailpipe standards to limit greenhouse gas pollution from cars.=20 Register on-line at http://www.oeconline.org/Events/BusinessForumorderform.htm by April 15, or register through Cheryl Bristah at OEC at 503-222-1963 x100 or cherylb@oeconline.org . =20 Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director Oregon Environmental Council 222 NW Davis Street, Suite 309 Portland, OR 97209-3900 503-222-1963 x102=20 chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org ~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy environment~ =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53AF2.256DA710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Oregon Environmental Council Forum for = Business & the Environment

The Business Case for Clean Cars and = "Green" Fleets

April 21, = 2005

7:00 AM to = 9:00 AM

Multnomah = Athletic Club, 1849 SW Salmon, Portland

As gas prices climb, businesses and individuals = are beginning to recognize that gas sipping cars make sense for their bottom line. Oregonians are purchasing hybrid gas-electric cars at a rate five times higher than the national average. = Many fleets are not only “going green,” but also saving money by downsizing vehicles, purchasing hybrids, and outsourcing services to = “car sharing” companies. Bob Epstein, CEO of Environmental = Entrepreneurs, and Deron Lovaas, Vehicles Campaign Director = & Deputy Director for the Smart Growth and Transportation Program of the = Natural Resources Defense Council, will discuss cutting edge strategies for = fleet managers and the nation's first tailpipe standards to limit greenhouse = gas pollution from cars. 

Register on-line at http://www.oeconline.org/Events/BusinessForumorde= rform.htm by April 15, or register through Cheryl = Bristah at OEC at 503-222-1963 x100 or cherylb@oeconline.org.

 

Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director
Oregon Environmental Council
222 NW = Davis Street, Suite 309
Portland, = OR 97209-3900

503-222-1963 x102

chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org

~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy = environment~

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C53AF2.256DA710-- From dbsalzman@columbia-center.org Thu Apr 7 15:32:40 2005 Received: from colcenter.org (col-center-test.colcenter.org [198.69.102.242]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j37MWdPq076940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:32:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbsalzman@columbia-center.org) Received: from 198.69.103.191 by columbia-center.org (MDaemon.PRO.v7.2.3.R) with ESMTP id 25-md50000000874.msg for ; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:27:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: oeva-list@oeva.org From: David Salzman Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:24:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Authenticated-Sender: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-Spam-Processed: col-center-test.colcenter.org, Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:27:13 -0700 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 198.69.103.191 X-Return-Path: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Sky High Gas X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:32:41 -0000 They are only going to get higher if all I'm reading is true. Until we can perfect long range E-cars, we need to bring back the Geo Metro and try to get the VW Lupo imported into this country. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. 8-) Se ya on the 14th. Dave From Theoldcars@aol.com Sat Apr 9 19:45:34 2005 Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com (imo-m19.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3A2jXrK098800 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 19:45:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38.7.) id 6.66.54b5953f (18555) for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2005 22:45:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <66.54b5953f.2f89ed41@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 22:45:21 EDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1113101121" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: The price of gas X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 02:45:34 -0000 -------------------------------1113101121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit High gas prices are good. The higher they are the more people will be open to other ways of getting around. The higher the price of gas the faster this will happen. I would like to see the price of gas reach five or six dollars a gallon. It is better to deal with this now. Rather then to use up the world supply of oil. Take the link below to Business Week. _http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_15/b3928103.htm_ (http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_15/b3928103.htm) If you have not read the energy report to congress it is a real eye opener. Here is the link for it. _www.energybulletin.net/newswire.php?id=4733_ (http://www.energybulletin.net/newswire.php?id=4733) Don Blazer West Hills Carstar Business Week report Giving Hybrids A Real Jolt A plug-in gas-electric vehicle may be key in saving fuel and cutting pollution -------------------------------1113101121 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
High gas prices are good. The higher they are the more=20 people will be open to other ways of getting around. The higher the pri= ce=20 of gas the faster this will happen. I would like to see the price of=20 gas reach five or six dollars a gallon. It is better to deal with=20= this=20 now. Rather then to use up the world supply of oil.
 
Take the link below to Business Week.
h= ttp://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_15/b3928103.htm
 
If you have not read the energy report to congress it is a real eye=20 opener.
Here is the link for it.
www.energybull= etin.net/newswire.php?id=3D4733
 
Don Blazer
West Hills Carstar
 
Business Week report Giving Hybrids A Real Jolt
A plug-in gas-electric vehicle=20 may be key in saving fuel and cutting pollution

-------------------------------1113101121-- From ejts@netzero.net Mon Apr 11 14:27:27 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j3BLRRnW043435 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:27:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail06.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.146]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBFX47UA4HHLD2 for (sender ); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:27:14 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qqPMRky5gfBdIvWVFSMmkOTQu88cRZW/QQ== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail06.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KQB9K6TP; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:26:55 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail06.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:26:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:26:08 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050411.142655.13504.317543@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:3496368290 Subject: [Oeva-list] April 14th OEVA meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:27:28 -0000 It's time again for our monthly meeting. Thursday, Apr. 14, 2005. All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting starts at 7:30PM. 2 World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. We will have a short presentation of Apex Axial Flux Motor technology by David Browning. He will be discussing the configuration of the Apex motor and discussing the advantages of the technology as a wheel drive solution for electric vehicles. Please feel free to bring both information and questions (and vehicles!). See you there! Eric Johnson OEVA Co-chair From dannyb61@comcast.net Tue Apr 12 22:09:30 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3D59UiX067182 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:09:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyb61@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200504130509.j3D59UiX067182@agora.rdrop.com> Received: from server (c-24-21-94-78.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.21.94.78]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005041305041701400hcpf3e>; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 05:04:18 +0000 From: "bortel" To: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:04:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcU9/46zd07/Lj0HQu+MNPBuQYn1kgB5jCMg In-Reply-To: <200504101900.j3AJ0LIC071105@agora.rdrop.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: [Oeva-list] Tax Credit/Deduction X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 05:09:30 -0000 I'm doing my Oregon income tax and am trying to find out if there is a tax deduction/credit for putting a new EV on the road. The only problem I think I may have is that I work in and pay Oregon income tax, but live in Washington. Dan From JRay3@aol.com Wed Apr 13 13:41:48 2005 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3DKfl3M012442 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:41:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from JRay3@aol.com) Received: from JRay3@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38.7.) id 6.15b.4ef811c8 (15863) for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d12 (mblk-d12.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.196]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v105.26) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df7425d8402165; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:41:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:41:37 -0400 From: jray3@aol.com Message-Id: <8C70E8052CE386A-EB4-23CE6@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 159.121.9.50 by mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.196) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:41:37 -0400 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12132 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MailBlocks_8C70E8052CE386A_EB4_262D2_mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.196 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Pusher for sale X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:41:48 -0000 ----------MailBlocks_8C70E8052CE386A_EB4_262D2_mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I recall that someone stopped by with an electric VW old beetle several meetings ago, and want to make sure he's aware of this opportunity, along with everyone else. I'm planning to try one, but it's far down on the schedule..... http://makeashorterlink.com/?O20F321EA -Jay ----------MailBlocks_8C70E8052CE386A_EB4_262D2_mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I recall that someone stopped by with an electric VW old beetle several meetings ago, and want to make sure he's aware of this opportunity, along with everyone else.  I'm planning to try one, but it's far down on the schedule.....
-Jay
----------MailBlocks_8C70E8052CE386A_EB4_262D2_mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com-- From rmerwin@aracnet.com Wed Apr 13 15:07:20 2005 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:YVGccqA2hM48x3t9tIx1BmPjwXT7i0am@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3DM7HVt036596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j3DLjWDJ025069; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:45:32 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j3DLjWSo025067; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:45:32 -0700 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200504132145.j3DLjWSo025067@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV Pusher for sale To: jray3@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:45:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8C70E8052CE386A-EB4-23CE6@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> from "jray3@aol.com" at Apr 13, 2005 04:41:37 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:07:20 -0000 jray3@aol.com writes: > > I recall that someone stopped by with an electric VW old beetle several > meetings ago, and want to make sure he's aware of this opportunity, along > with everyone else. I'm planning to try one, but it's far down on the > schedule..... http://makeashorterlink.com/?O20F321EA This was tempting for me when I first saw the posting on the EVDL, until I read down through the page and saw this section: Operation: The current version of this trailer is fairly difficult to use. Since there is no tranmission control, you need to stop and get out to change gears. Luckily, this doesn't happen to often. For all flat freeway travel (with small hills) 4th gear is fine. So, just before getting on the highway you pull over, put it in 4th and then accelerate. As the EV accelerates it is cranking the IC engine up, at some reasonable rpm you flip the ignition switch and the engine begins firing. You then crank up the throttle, let the IC finish acclerating and hold you at the highway cruise speed as you take the EV off-line. Now your range is 300 miles. To stop simply kill the ignition and drive with the EV to a convenient place to stop and put the engine back into neutral. Dragging the motor around in gear when it is not pushing is an obvious waste, not to mention the "chugging" at very low <10mph speeds. For driving in the mountains, leaving the motor in 3rd gear works fine, but the top speed is 60-65 mph. For a better example, see John Straubel's more recent pusher at http://www.jstraubel.com/EVpusher/EVpusher2.htm. This is similar to one used by another EVer in Southern Oregon, but he uses a (bio)diesel. Of course, neither of these are for sale... Ralph From dbsalzman@columbia-center.org Wed Apr 13 18:31:47 2005 Received: from colcenter.org (col-center-test.colcenter.org [198.69.102.242]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3E1VkYc090700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbsalzman@columbia-center.org) Received: from 198.69.103.191 by columbia-center.org (MDaemon.PRO.v7.2.3.R) with ESMTP id 19-md50000001902.msg for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:31:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8348736C-AC82-11D9-BAD3-000A27D968E0@columbia-center.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: oeva-list@oeva.org From: DAVE SALZMAN Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:14:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-Authenticated-Sender: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-Spam-Processed: col-center-test.colcenter.org, Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:31:19 -0700 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 198.69.103.191 X-Return-Path: dbsalzman@columbia-center.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Tax credit X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:31:47 -0000 Dan Check out this web site for Oregon; www.energy.state.or.us Also there is a couple of phone numbers 1-800-221-8035 Oregon Office of Energy 625 Marion St. NE Suite 1 Salem, Or. 97301-3742 503-378-4040 For the Feds. Check Form 535, Chapter 12 Page 50 Line 4. You may still get a tax break if your vehicle has NEVER been used as a gas burner. Thats the way it was in 2003 when I finished my conversion. dave From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Wed Apr 13 18:51:19 2005 Received: from webmaillogin.com (fr4.webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.68]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3E1pI34095329 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:51:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [70.56.198.150] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com HELO [70.56.198.149]) by fr4.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 57943591 for Oeva-list@oeva.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:51:16 -0400 Message-ID: <425DCC1F.2000001@copperlionslair.com> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:49:19 -0700 From: CopperLion User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Tax Credit/Deduction References: <200504130509.j3D59UiX067182@agora.rdrop.com> In-Reply-To: <200504130509.j3D59UiX067182@agora.rdrop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:51:20 -0000 Dan- The thing that really matters in this, I believe, is where the vehicle is registered. If your vehicle is registered in Washington, you would have to find out about the incentives in that state. If the vehicle is not registered in Oregon, the Oregon tax incentives do not apply. At least that's how I would understand it. Can anyone else confirm or deny this, since I can't find any specific information that will do so directly? -Kevin bortel wrote: >I'm doing my Oregon income tax and am trying to find out if there is a tax >deduction/credit for putting a new EV on the road. The only problem I think >I may have is that I work in and pay Oregon income tax, but live in >Washington. >Dan > > >_______________________________________________ >Oeva-list mailing list >Oeva-list@oeva.org >http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > From alan@batie.org Fri Apr 15 13:18:21 2005 Received: from [172.20.1.150] (cvo-sr1-off.peak.org [69.59.192.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3FKIKVR090121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@batie.org) Message-ID: <42602160.5030504@batie.org> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:17:36 -0700 From: Alan Batie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.91.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000306080002070901020600" Subject: [Oeva-list] Escape Hybrid operation X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:18:21 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000306080002070901020600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last night some people were asking about some of the details of the Escape's hybrid system. 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([209.162.205.68]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id j20sm374914rnf.2005.04.15.17.25.48; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:25:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <42602160.5030504@batie.org> References: <42602160.5030504@batie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <25C12D34-AE0E-11D9-8F02-00039344DDD6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:26:17 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: [Oeva-list] Last night's meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 00:25:52 -0000 So how was last night's meeting? Any summaries for those of us who were under the tax gun? ...Ross... From innercom@peak.org Sat Apr 16 07:25:26 2005 Received: from b.mail.peak.org (b.mail.peak.org [69.59.192.42]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3GEPQK1060425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from innercom@peak.org) Received: from [64.28.63.180] (dialup-ras27-180.eug.or.uspops.net [64.28.63.180]) by b.mail.peak.org (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id j3GEDdbg094801 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:13:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: innercom@mail.peak.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:13:41 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org From: innercom@peak.org (David Hazen) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: [Oeva-list] any EV builders near Eugene? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:25:27 -0000 I would greatly appreciate contact with any EV builders within 50 or so miles of Eugene. Also, any feedback on dealings with Bob Batson of EVAmerica in New Hampshire? My initial contact with him seems to be very promising for me, a non-engineer, to get a complete electrical system designed and supplied. I am planning to build a two-passenger cycle-car with a wood-strip/fiberglass monocoque chassis similar to the canoes I have built, to use as a NEV, commuting 5 miles to work on flat ground primarily, with a desired range of up to 40 miles and a top speed of 40 mph. I'm not looking for race-car acceleration, just 0-25 mph in 10 seconds would be great, so I could stay with traffic. I expect my curb weight to be maybe 350 lbs. without batteries, perhaps adding 450 lbs. of batteries and another 350 lbs. of payload to make a GVW of near 1150 lbs. I have a hold placed on a salvaged motorcycle rear end that has a 41-tooth sprocket, that I am intending to use for the drive wheel, and I have already purchased a rebuilt front suspension of a '67 VW Beetle. If you are familiar with the Vortex, that is the body-style that I wish to imitate, low and sporty. Zzzzip! David -------------------------------- "The choice of vehicle that you drive has a greater effect on the environment than any other choice you make as a consumer" - Union of Concerned Scientists -------------------------------- David Hazen Eugene, Oregon, USA innercom@peak.org http://www.peak.org/~innercom/ From barnes.rick@comcast.net Sat Apr 16 07:49:50 2005 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3GEnnZ5065386 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:49:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005041614494301600hqk96e>; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:49:44 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: "'David Hazen'" , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] any EV builders near Eugene? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:49:13 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c54293$750dedc0$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:49:50 -0000 An NEV may not go more than 25MPH by law. With 3 wheels, your vehicle could be registered as a motorcycle without the speed restrictions. You might be able to get the performance you are looking for from salvaged golf car components? Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of David Hazen Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:14 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] any EV builders near Eugene? I would greatly appreciate contact with any EV builders within 50 or so miles of Eugene. Also, any feedback on dealings with Bob Batson of EVAmerica in New Hampshire? My initial contact with him seems to be very promising for me, a non-engineer, to get a complete electrical system designed and supplied. I am planning to build a two-passenger cycle-car with a wood-strip/fiberglass monocoque chassis similar to the canoes I have built, to use as a NEV, commuting 5 miles to work on flat ground primarily, with a desired range of up to 40 miles and a top speed of 40 mph. I'm not looking for race-car acceleration, just 0-25 mph in 10 seconds would be great, so I could stay with traffic. I expect my curb weight to be maybe 350 lbs. without batteries, perhaps adding 450 lbs. of batteries and another 350 lbs. of payload to make a GVW of near 1150 lbs. I have a hold placed on a salvaged motorcycle rear end that has a 41-tooth sprocket, that I am intending to use for the drive wheel, and I have already purchased a rebuilt front suspension of a '67 VW Beetle. If you are familiar with the Vortex, that is the body-style that I wish to imitate, low and sporty. Zzzzip! David -------------------------------- "The choice of vehicle that you drive has a greater effect on the environment than any other choice you make as a consumer" - Union of Concerned Scientists -------------------------------- David Hazen Eugene, Oregon, USA innercom@peak.org http://www.peak.org/~innercom/ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From mhodgert@bethel.k12.or.us Sat Apr 16 12:37:26 2005 Received: from mail1.bethel.k12.or.us (mail1.bethel.k12.or.us [163.41.75.17]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3GJb9dl036204 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:37:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhodgert@bethel.k12.or.us) Received: by MAIL1.bethel.k12.or.us with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1MC09VTQ>; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:32:53 -0700 Message-ID: <7364A8567463E043925D2070617B5D9125765D@MAIL1.bethel.k12.or.us> From: "Hodgert, Mike" To: "'innercom@peak.org '" , "'oeva-list@oeva.org '" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] any EV builders near Eugene? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:32:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:37:27 -0000 David, I am a teacher at Willamette High School in Eugene. We build Electrathon vehicle and have the world's largest fleet and have bee the NW champion for the last 5 years. This year we are building 21 new ones (24 last year). These are ultralight ultra efficient 1 person electric vehicles that are raced to see who can travel the farthest in one hour using 67 pounds of lead acid batteries. There is a race on April 23rd at the upper parking lot at LCC. The races will start about 11:00 with 2 one hour heats. The prerace stuff starting about 8:00 am. Some other High schools envolved in the area are Springfield, Thurston, and Mapelton. We also did a 3 year project and converted a VW Rabbit to 96 volts and are on our 3rd year of a 4 year (?) conversion of an S-10 pickup to 144 volts. We also did a couple of major solar prjects a 2.4 Kw fixed on the school and a 1 kw trailer. I myself know just enough to be dangerous but there are a few good resouces in the Eugene area. Alan Hesch of Honest Engine #342-2366 cell # 579-300 has done several standard conversions and has helped us with both conversions. He seems to be very willing to share his knowledge. NEVCO make the Gismo here in town. The Neighborhhood Electric Vehicle Company is still alive and kicking last I heard. These are the Tri-car (2 wheels in front / 1 in back) white and blue or red vehicles that you often see around town. The seemed open to give advice when we have contacted them in the past. Mark Murphey 541-895-5421 owns Blue Sky Design which deals in mostly Electrthon vehicle parts. He was the designer of the Gismo and was / is involved in several other projects as well I believe. I think he is aobut 20 miles outof Eugene now. Lon Gillis last I heard was teaching at McMinnville High and I think he still is. I know this is out of your 50 mile range but still might be worth picking his brain.. He used to live in Portland and did a number of EVs. He had several sponsored race vehicles and made a living on doing conversions. His daily driver last I talked to him was a van conversions. Contact I believe is still "gillasl@yesd.k12.or.us" Like I said I know very little but feel very free to contact me and I will help you in any way that I can. Mike -----Original Message----- From: innercom@peak.org To: oeva-list@oeva.org Sent: 4/16/05 7:13 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] any EV builders near Eugene? I would greatly appreciate contact with any EV builders within 50 or so miles of Eugene. Also, any feedback on dealings with Bob Batson of EVAmerica in New Hampshire? My initial contact with him seems to be very promising for me, a non-engineer, to get a complete electrical system designed and supplied. I am planning to build a two-passenger cycle-car with a wood-strip/fiberglass monocoque chassis similar to the canoes I have built, to use as a NEV, commuting 5 miles to work on flat ground primarily, with a desired range of up to 40 miles and a top speed of 40 mph. I'm not looking for race-car acceleration, just 0-25 mph in 10 seconds would be great, so I could stay with traffic. I expect my curb weight to be maybe 350 lbs. without batteries, perhaps adding 450 lbs. of batteries and another 350 lbs. of payload to make a GVW of near 1150 lbs. I have a hold placed on a salvaged motorcycle rear end that has a 41-tooth sprocket, that I am intending to use for the drive wheel, and I have already purchased a rebuilt front suspension of a '67 VW Beetle. If you are familiar with the Vortex, that is the body-style that I wish to imitate, low and sporty. Zzzzip! David -------------------------------- "The choice of vehicle that you drive has a greater effect on the environment than any other choice you make as a consumer" - Union of Concerned Scientists -------------------------------- David Hazen Eugene, Oregon, USA innercom@peak.org http://www.peak.org/~innercom/ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From bryan@photonlight.com Sat Apr 16 14:07:46 2005 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3GL7geR060969 for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryan@photonlight.com) Received: from officedesktop (c-67-164-61-203.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.164.61.203]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <200504162102190120056d0qe>; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:02:20 +0000 From: "Bryan Avery" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] any EV builders near Eugene? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:02:17 -0700 Organization: PhotonLight.com, Inc. Message-ID: <00d801c542c7$93d3e5f0$0201a8c0@officedesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <7364A8567463E043925D2070617B5D9125765D@MAIL1.bethel.k12.or.us> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j3GL7geR060969 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:07:48 -0000 I wouldn't consider myself an expert by any means, but I have learned a bit during the course of my own conversion project (currently in it's 3rd year, and still not quite finished - http://photonlight.com/bryan/ev/) and would be happy to share any of that experience if it might be helpful to you. :-) I'm in S. Eugene. -Bryan > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On > Behalf Of Hodgert, Mike > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:33 PM > To: 'innercom@peak.org '; 'oeva-list@oeva.org ' > Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] any EV builders near Eugene? > > David, > I am a teacher at Willamette High School in Eugene. We build Electrathon > vehicle and have the world's largest fleet and have bee the NW champion > for > the last 5 years. This year we are building 21 new ones (24 last year). > These are ultralight ultra efficient 1 person electric vehicles that are > raced to see who can travel the farthest in one hour using 67 pounds of > lead > acid batteries. There is a race on April 23rd at the upper parking lot at > LCC. The races will start about 11:00 with 2 one hour heats. The prerace > stuff starting about 8:00 am. Some other High schools envolved in the > area > are Springfield, Thurston, and Mapelton. > > We also did a 3 year project and converted a VW Rabbit to 96 volts and are > on our 3rd year of a 4 year (?) conversion of an S-10 pickup to 144 volts. > We also did a couple of major solar prjects a 2.4 Kw fixed on the school > and > a 1 kw trailer. I myself know just enough to be dangerous but there are a > few good resouces in the Eugene area. > > Alan Hesch of Honest Engine #342-2366 cell # 579-300 has done several > standard conversions and has helped us with both conversions. He seems to > be very willing to share his knowledge. > > NEVCO make the Gismo here in town. The Neighborhhood Electric Vehicle > Company is still alive and kicking last I heard. These are the Tri-car (2 > wheels in front / 1 in back) white and blue or red vehicles that you often > see around town. The seemed open to give advice when we have contacted > them > in the past. > > Mark Murphey 541-895-5421 owns Blue Sky Design which deals in mostly > Electrthon vehicle parts. He was the designer of the Gismo and was / is > involved in several other projects as well I believe. I think he is aobut > 20 miles outof Eugene now. > > Lon Gillis last I heard was teaching at McMinnville High and I think he > still is. I know this is out of your 50 mile range but still might be > worth > picking his brain.. He used to live in Portland and did a number of EVs. > He had several sponsored race vehicles and made a living on doing > conversions. His daily driver last I talked to him was a van conversions. > Contact I believe is still "gillasl@yesd.k12.or.us" > > Like I said I know very little but feel very free to contact me and I will > help you in any way that I can. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: innercom@peak.org > To: oeva-list@oeva.org > Sent: 4/16/05 7:13 AM > Subject: [Oeva-list] any EV builders near Eugene? > > I would greatly appreciate contact with any EV builders within 50 or so > miles of Eugene. > > Also, any feedback on dealings with Bob Batson of EVAmerica in New > Hampshire? My initial contact with him seems to be very promising for > me, > a non-engineer, to get a complete electrical system designed and > supplied. > > I am planning to build a two-passenger cycle-car with a > wood-strip/fiberglass monocoque chassis similar to the canoes I have > built, > to use as a NEV, commuting 5 miles to work on flat ground primarily, > with a > desired range of up to 40 miles and a top speed of 40 mph. I'm not > looking > for race-car acceleration, just 0-25 mph in 10 seconds would be great, > so I > could stay with traffic. I expect my curb weight to be maybe 350 lbs. > without batteries, perhaps adding 450 lbs. of batteries and another 350 > lbs. of payload to make a GVW of near 1150 lbs. > > I have a hold placed on a salvaged motorcycle rear end that has a > 41-tooth > sprocket, that I am intending to use for the drive wheel, and I have > already purchased a rebuilt front suspension of a '67 VW Beetle. If you > are familiar with the Vortex, that is the body-style that I wish to > imitate, low and sporty. > > Zzzzip! > > David > > -------------------------------- > "The choice of vehicle that you drive has a greater effect on the > environment than any other choice you make as a consumer" - Union of > Concerned Scientists > -------------------------------- > > David Hazen > Eugene, Oregon, USA > innercom@peak.org > http://www.peak.org/~innercom/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From acid_lead@yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 10:03:59 2005 Received: from web14826.mail.yahoo.com (web14826.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.197]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j3HH3wWC024897 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acid_lead@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44888 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2005 16:57:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=H0+CEcwzWNXFIiOSOr+t9TInO8+hEas8u4fbiuHziaxpDkhj8qtCxlahwdr0aF1x6JDPyzz9tnWfhfP2NggPWoE1/j97pMIOpnBF0HDuOTStZyamXQPaTIMQlw39JpkdyPVZi1Hqj1HmcTTFvyFHirwkP4IbBbWLzgD/OrFilLk= ; Message-ID: <20050417165716.44886.qmail@web14826.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.227.215.26] by web14826.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:57:16 PDT Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: George Tylinski To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Oeva-list] 4/21 - Taken for a ride X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:03:59 -0000 http://www.pdxgreens.org/movienight/ Movie screening: "Taken for a Ride - How GM and the Auto industry funded secret companies to privitize and then neglect public city rail lines. This riveting independent film is a must see for anyone who is a transit activist." When: Thurs. 4/21/05 at 6 p.m. Location: Redwing Cafe 1700 SE 6th Ave, 2 blocks South of Hawthorne You might want to call (503) 235-0300 earlier in the day to confirm the starting time. George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) 73 MG Midget / Portland, OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mark.freidberg@netzero.com Sun Apr 17 13:48:05 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j3HKm3Jf073559 for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail02.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.142]) by smtpout02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBGFU37AZVRUFJ for (sender ); Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:46:53 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mB+CFte9Ho8jrZGy2tbooWgks3yhrJQM27GxaznBVNs1 Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) by webmail02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KQTMNZJM; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:46:47 PDT Received: from [64.136.26.228] by webmail02.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:46:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.228] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.com" Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:46:03 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050417.134647.18935.380581@webmail02.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:553573601 Subject: [Oeva-list] Cloud EV X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:48:12 -0000 I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has done business with Cloud EV. Mark From tony@notebene.net Sun Apr 17 21:14:07 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3I4E7uE071732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:14:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73C16DC09C; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EF4845F82; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4263347C.10101@notebene.net> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:15:56 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mark.freidberg@netzero.com" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Cloud EV References: <20050417.134647.18935.380581@webmail02.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20050417.134647.18935.380581@webmail02.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 04:14:08 -0000 I haven't personally, but a good friend mine and, now, a daily EV driver took delivery of a Cloud conversion several months ago and I'm sure would be happy to chat with you about his experience. Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html mark.freidberg@netzero.com wrote: >I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has done business with Cloud EV. > > >Mark >_______________________________________________ >Oeva-list mailing list >Oeva-list@oeva.org >http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > From matwete@comcast.net Mon Apr 18 11:34:02 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3IIY2Gh067291 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matwete@comcast.net) Received: from laptop (c-24-22-108-198.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.22.108.198]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005041818335601500no986e>; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:33:57 +0000 From: "Myles Twete" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] 4/21 - Taken for a ride Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:33:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c54445$2d9fb280$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20050417165716.44886.qmail@web14826.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matwete@comcast.net List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:34:03 -0000 Sounds good to me George! This might be a real good opportunity also for outreach---anyone want to bring OEVA flyers or show up in their EV? I'm thinking it'd also be a good outreach opportunity for other local transit ideas, such as the proposed Willamette Ferryboat service that I'm involved in with Rivers West. -Myles > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On > Behalf Of George Tylinski > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 9:57 AM > To: oeva-list@oeva.org > Subject: [Oeva-list] 4/21 - Taken for a ride > > > http://www.pdxgreens.org/movienight/ > > Movie screening: "Taken for a Ride - > How GM and the Auto industry funded secret companies to > privitize and then neglect public city rail lines. This riveting > independent film is a must see for anyone who is a transit > activist." > > When: Thurs. 4/21/05 at 6 p.m. > Location: Redwing Cafe > 1700 SE 6th Ave, 2 blocks South of Hawthorne > > You might want to call (503) 235-0300 earlier in the day to > confirm the starting time. > > > George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) > 73 MG Midget / Portland, OR > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From ejts@netzero.net Tue Apr 19 08:38:47 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j3JFcjxL075237 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail10.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.150]) by smtpout05.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBGLKRGASCF2SJ for (sender ); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:38:14 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qk/71XRYWBxa5LXap8P26avSGqOiuWyymg== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail10.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KQX8SDUN; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:37:39 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail10.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:36:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:36:36 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050419.083739.2736.198755@webmail10.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1229472019 Subject: [Oeva-list] Request for contact information X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:38:47 -0000 Andy McDougall, the elderly gentleman that first attended an OEVA meeting last week, has asked me for some contact information. He accesses the internet at the library and doesn't have e-mail. In talking to people there, he wanted to contact the following: 1) Rick Durst. At least, that's who I think he was talking about. The person he was told about works for PGE and commutes electrically 30 miles each way to Portland from somewhere around St. Helens. Is that Rick? 2) Someone, I'm sorry that I don't know who, who lives in Hillsboro and has three electrics. 3) While he didn't mention it in last night's phone call, he said at the meeting that he was looking for an electric vehicle. I'm not sure just what his interests or requirements are, so anyone that has or knows of one available can contact me. Contact me off list and I'll either pass your number on to him, or give you his number, whichever you chose. Thanks, from Andy, for any information or help. -- Eric Johnson From gary.graunke@intel.com Tue Apr 19 09:15:57 2005 Received: from orsfmr004.jf.intel.com (fmr19.intel.com [134.134.136.18]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3JGFsnv084984 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:15:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (orsfmr100.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.16]) by orsfmr004.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc, v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id j3JGFl3X032008 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:15:47 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.54]) by orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc, v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id j3JGFV0j029738 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:15:47 GMT Received: from orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.56]) by orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.7.47) with SMTP id M2005041909154708514 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:15:47 -0700 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:15:46 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: FW: [Oeva-list] Request for contact information Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:15:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Oeva-list] Request for contact information thread-index: AcVE+K/FU1xd3vzfRWOM6GjHtuBM/wAAFtVgAABn4HA= From: "Graunke, Gary" To: "OEVA" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2005 16:15:46.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B607CC0:01C544FB] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j3JGFsnv084984 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:15:57 -0000 (I replied directly to Eric, but wanted to post part 3. Answers to 1 & 2 deleted) 3) Web access would help a lot. Perhaps he should visit the library and look up www.evalbum.com, which has a for sale section. Also, if he is not in a hurry and somewhat flexible, commuter cars is accepting escrowed deposits (I'm number 26 for a T100) at www.commutercars.com. www.evbones.com sells GM trucks and services them--they also have charging equipment. Gary -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Eric Johnson Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:37 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Request for contact information Andy McDougall, the elderly gentleman that first attended an OEVA meeting last week, has asked me for some contact information. He accesses the internet at the library and doesn't have e-mail. In talking to people there, he wanted to contact the following: 1) Rick Durst. At least, that's who I think he was talking about. The person he was told about works for PGE and commutes electrically 30 miles each way to Portland from somewhere around St. Helens. Is that Rick? 2) Someone, I'm sorry that I don't know who, who lives in Hillsboro and has three electrics. 3) While he didn't mention it in last night's phone call, he said at the meeting that he was looking for an electric vehicle. I'm not sure just what his interests or requirements are, so anyone that has or knows of one available can contact me. Contact me off list and I'll either pass your number on to him, or give you his number, whichever you chose. Thanks, from Andy, for any information or help. -- Eric Johnson _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From ejts@netzero.net Tue Apr 19 13:41:24 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j3JKfNWK059715 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail04.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.144]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBGL5HHAU4MFXJ for (sender ); Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:41:11 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qun90dJiLuOSwdfaW7YlU2R2x34HUNieRw== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail04.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KQYR5UVY; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:41:00 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail04.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:40:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:40:15 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050419.134100.25501.439888@webmail04.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 44:22:2726680173 Subject: [Oeva-list] Responses to our web site X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:41:25 -0000 Hello All! Here's four items that just came in via OEVA's web site feedback. The first is a request for information. I included Steve's e-mail address (you figure out what "_at_" means) so any useful information can be passed directly to him. Everything I received is here included. The other three items are ads, really. E-Ride may be of interest especially to dealers looking to expand their line. I only briefly looked over their site and it looks good, but I can't evaluate NEVs. The Raido scooters may be good, too, depending on price. The last one is of the least use to any of us, but I'm passing it along, just FYI. It doesn't look like they have batteries anywhere near large enough for any EVer, except AC Propulsion, perhaps. Absolutely no endorsements for any of these. I'm just passing along what came in from the 'net. But if any have any advice for Steve, please let him know. Mention that it's a response to his web feedback. Thanks! 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CHINA Tel:86-760-8619810 8611016 Fax:86-760-8619820 sales@yuntong-batt.com www.yuntong-batt.com April 19 2005 From mark.freidberg@netzero.com Wed Apr 20 10:58:39 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j3KHwcFv057522 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) Received: from webmail25.lax.untd.com (webmail25.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.165]) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBGPGBQAGURPGS for (sender ); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:58:06 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mB+CFte9Ho8jU+7x0ch2I7f2MOslPf2b1yxgyWrvjsWw Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) by webmail25.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KQ226RE5; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:57:16 PDT Received: from [64.136.26.228] by webmail25.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:56:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.228] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.com" Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:56:28 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050420.105716.5555.421641@webmail25.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:836973661 Subject: [Oeva-list] Can anyone recommend an EV transporter? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:58:39 -0000 Hi, There are a couple Bradleys and a Rabbit EV on Tradin' Post that I'm mulling over. If I purchased one I'm wondering about how to transport the EV back to Portland. Has anyone used a transporter they could recommend? Mark From mark.freidberg@netzero.com Wed Apr 20 11:08:37 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j3KI8bcK060391 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:08:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) Received: from webmail25.lax.untd.com (webmail25.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.165]) by smtpout06.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBGPGWRA56MYHJ for (sender ); Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:08:15 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: MLvfOmbjt8qRz1DlV/b8mB+CFte9Ho8jU+7x0ch2I7fQ0eRORzrhR2DpWGepwQk5 Received: (from mark.freidberg@netzero.com) by webmail25.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KQ23R6BK; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:07:51 PDT Received: from [64.136.26.228] by webmail25.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:07:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.136.26.228] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "mark.freidberg@netzero.com" Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:07:01 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050420.110751.5555.421807@webmail25.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:836973661 X-MAIL-INFO: 29fb2a13afef9fcf97eaf7ab7eca333ade9aaadaf7cbeefa8adfd7dff36a93df3a8a934f4fc75f026a17c393570e8e170f7f2ecf372e9b87bb83cf339f3f33be13777a8fbf2b7afe672b0e0e4bfbabbf3e022bcfdbba3e9bbe8a4f6b8a5b6ac7c34fea0bf3ea9ea3 Subject: [Oeva-list] Bradley EVs on Tradin' Post X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:08:38 -0000 Hi, Does anyone have experience with Bradley EVs? I'm just wondering about the overall quality and if there are any problems to be aware of. I guess some of that would depend on the components installed in the specific vehicle of interest. But all the Bradleys share common features like a fiberglass body right? Of interest is that both ads currently on Tradin' Post mention minor cracks in their fiberglass bodies. Is that, or anything else, something significant to watch out for? Mark http://www.austinev.org/evtradinpost/index.php?method=showhtmllist&list=classifiedscategory&rollid=17&fromfromlist=classifiedscategory&fromfrommethod=showhtmllist&fromfromid=13&clearoff=1 From chrish@oeconline.org Thu Apr 21 11:06:26 2005 Received: from oecbrain.orcouncil.local (mail.oeconline.org [67.154.186.146]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3LI6OKo010216 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrish@oeconline.org) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5469D.BB198310" Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:12:51 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: Responses to our web site Thread-Index: AcVGnJA9P7gYQx60Qq+n1FskASei5A== From: "Chris Hagerbaumer" To: Subject: [Oeva-list] RE: Responses to our web site X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:06:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5469D.BB198310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your email exchange on the OEVA web site relates to an email exchange had with someone just a couple of days ago (see below). I was thinking you might want to add something about neighborhood electric vehicles. =20 ****************** =20 Hi, Baker Family: I found out that House Bill 2133 was passed in 2001 and allows low-speed neighborhood electric vehicles to operate where permitted by local governments. The question is whether your local government allows them, so you'll need to contact your city department of transportation. =20 I spoke with Graham Hill and he pointed to three websites that might be of interest to you: =20 www.gemcar.com (you know this site) www.feelgoodcars.com (coming soon to the US, a French microcar) www.smartmotorcars.com (coming soon to Oregon, the Mercedes Benz-Swatch collaboration) =20 Good luck on your purchase decision! (By the way, Graham's email is ghill@21wheels.com.) =20 Another resource you may want to check out is the Oregon Electric Vehicle Association. Oddly, they have nothing about neighborhood electric vehicles, but they may be able to answer some questions.=20 =20 -Chris ________________________________ From: Chris Hagerbaumer=20 Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:53 AM To: 'burghausen.usa@verizon.net' Cc: Cheryl Bristah Subject: RE: regarding electric cars =20 Hello, Baker Family: I just left a message with someone I know who has been working on legislation in different states to make sure that these vehicles are "street legal." I know there was a bill to that effect in Oregon a session or two ago, but I can't remember the resolution. So I'll get back to you as soon as I hear. His name is Graham Hill, by the way, and his number is 303/544-0025. =20 =20 They are wonderful little cars, so I hope it works! =20 Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director Oregon Environmental Council 222 NW Davis Street, Suite 309 Portland, OR 97209-3900 503-222-1963 x102=20 chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org ~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy environment~ =20 From: Baker Family [mailto:burghausen.usa@verizon.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 3:33 PM To: Cheryl Bristah Subject: regarding electric cars =20 Cheryl, I got your name from the ODOT webpage. Am considering to buy a "GEM" car from Diamler Chrysler but worry that they are not allowed in Oregon. They are allowed in Washington. From GEM's web page they say: "GEMs can be driven on all public roads that are posted at 35 mph or less, in states that have approved the use of neighborhood electric vehicles. It is an ideal vehicle for local, around-town use. Uses include transportation from mass transit stations to the workplace or home, taking the kids to school or the library, grocery shopping, or other common neighborhood or downtown errands." =20 Can you help lead me in the right direction of confirm this car's acceptance/approval for Oregon roads. (By the way, there are ZERO dealerships in Oregon so that might be a hint) =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5469D.BB198310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Your email exchange on the OEVA web site relates to an email exchange had = with someone just a couple of days ago (see below).  I was thinking you = might want to add something about neighborhood electric = vehicles.

 

******************

 

Hi, Baker Family:

I found out that House Bill 2133 was passed in 2001 and allows low-speed neighborhood electric vehicles to operate where permitted by local governments.  The question is whether your local government allows = them, so you’ll need to contact your city department of = transportation.

 

I spoke with Graham Hill and he = pointed to three websites that might be of interest to = you:

 

www.gemcar.com (you know this = site)

www.feelgoodcars.com (coming = soon to the US, a French microcar)

www.smartmotorcars.com = (coming soon to Oregon, the Mercedes Benz-Swatch collaboration)

 

Good luck on your purchase decision!  (By the way, Graham’s email is ghill@21wheels.com.)

 

Another resource you may want to = check out is the Oregon Electric Vehicle Association.  Oddly, they have = nothing about neighborhood electric vehicles, but they may be able to answer = some questions.

 

-Chris

From: = Chris Hagerbaumer
Sent: Monday, April 18, = 2005 8:53 AM
To: 'burghausen.usa@verizon.net'=
Cc: Cheryl Bristah
Subject: RE: regarding = electric cars

 

Hello, Baker Family:

I just left a message with someone I know who has been working on = legislation in different states to make sure that these vehicles are “street legal.”  I know there was a bill to that effect in Oregon a session or two ago, but I can’t remember the resolution.  So I’ll get back to you = as soon as I hear.  His name is Graham Hill, by the way, and his = number is 303/544-0025. 

 

They are wonderful little cars, so I hope it = works!

 

Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director
Oregon Environmental Council
222 NW Davis Street, = Suite 309
Portland, = OR 97209-3900

503-222-1963 x102

chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org

~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy = environment~

 

From:             &= nbsp;       Baker Family [mailto:burghausen.usa@verizon= .net]

Sent:          &n= bsp;           Saturday, April 16, 2005 3:33 = PM

To:          &nbs= p;            = ;   Cheryl = Bristah

Subject:          = ;       regarding electric cars

 

Cheryl,

I got your name from the ODOT webpage.   Am considering to buy a “GEM” car from Diamler Chrysler but = worry that they are not allowed in Oregon.  They are allowed in Washington.  >From GEM’s web page they say:

“GEMs = can be driven on all public roads that are posted at 35 mph or less, in states = that have approved the use of neighborhood electric vehicles. It is an ideal = vehicle for local, around-town use. Uses include transportation from mass = transit stations to the workplace or home, taking the kids to school or the = library, grocery shopping, or other common neighborhood or downtown = errands.”

 

Can you help lead me in the right direction of = confirm this car’s acceptance/approval for Oregon roads.  (By the way, there are ZERO dealerships in Oregon so that might be a = hint)

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C5469D.BB198310-- From rolson@gmail.com Fri Apr 22 12:38:49 2005 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3MJclmd083733 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so724542rnf for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:38:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gA8kSmPM6ZvglLNmFRUYNubrIlL1JzmgRDDj+rKUVSQKNJCen5V3Gq/TQA73X7Rm6sjg1vPB3JMpHdbrDlc8r6Rb/MapW+FoQLD1mi9eWb0LFWWntVSW+9vH3LtzVBV9+tfo6dfmMMobvuKBJli4FKa5bheIBnks+PNbw+FRGWY= Received: by 10.39.2.54 with SMTP id e54mr283087rni; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.102? ([209.162.205.68]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 70sm636462rnb.2005.04.22.12.38.41; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <37017844-B366-11D9-A13D-00039344DDD6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:39:17 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: OEVA.org Web site feedback X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:38:49 -0000 Begin forwarded message: > From: robin wang > Date: April 22, 2005 7:02:30 AM PDT > To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@bad-seed.org > Subject: OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net > > feedback: > Eric, > Gary, > Brad, > Paul, > > The ReDirect Guide will be co-producing the upcoming Natural Style: > A Sustainable Living Festival on May 14/15 at the Oregon Convention > Center in Portland. This show will feature over 110 booths, demos, > workshops, and entertainment designed to educate and celebrate a > natural and sustainable (e.g. "Green") lifestyle. We are targetting > between 5,000 - 10,000 attendees. More information on the event can be > found by visiting www.NaturalStyleFestival.com. > > I am writing to see if there is interest from your organization to > feature/display one or more of your electric vehicles at the show. > TriMet, a sponsor of the show, will be displaying it's hybrid bus and > we thought it might be great to showcase some electric vehicles next > to it. Since you are a non-profit organization, there would be no > cost to your organization for this and we could also include a booth > for you to hand out information. > > If you are interested, please let me know as soon as possible so > that we can discuss the necessary arrangements. > > Regards, > > Robin Wang > Co-Publisher, The ReDirect Guide > 503-281-5001 (direct line) > > > > From paburkey@juno.com Fri Apr 22 22:54:35 2005 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j3N5sZmY052385 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:54:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBGV2MWAYRNAWA for (sender ); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:47:32 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBD7Npd1KKe6bWJZoJKm0lKExBmDB6aLKpA== Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KQ9GKM9N; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:46:56 PDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:35:27 -0700 Message-ID: <20050422.224553.2088.23.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_2b57.3ccf.321d X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,10-13,15,17,19,22,25,27,29-30,32,34-43,44-32767 From: Paul A Burkey X-ContentStamp: 14:7:1664218046 Subject: [Oeva-list] Earth Day X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 05:54:36 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_2b57.3ccf.321d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your participation in our fifth annual Earth Day Celebration. With the addition of a marketplace and cooperative weather, this Saturday's community event could eclipse previous attendance records. Here are some last minute reminders: Fifth Annual Earth Day Celebration and Marketplace Saturday, April 23, 1 - 4 p.m. Millennium Plaza Park, 200 First Street in downtown Lake Oswego Tables and chairs are available for your use, and you are welcome to bring your own. Spots are only reserved for special needs (space, power, etc.), otherwise it is first come first served. Vehicles may be driven on the plaza for loading and unloading, but must be off premises (unless on display) by 12:30 p.m. for safety reasons. Parking is available at Lake Oswego City Hall (380 A Avenue) and at the nearby municipal lot (Foothills and State) - please do not park in the Wizer's lot. We will have some food vendors present, and there are also several restaurants and grocery stores within walking distance if you want to have lunch before the event. All vendors and exhibitors are entitled to a free Earth Day shirt (while supplies last) Staff will be on hand to assist with setup and we will start getting ready around 11:30 a.m. We hope to see you at the park tomorrow. Bring friends and family. Thank you for participating and helping make this annual event a success. If you need to reach me, I'll have my cell phone with me at 503-317-5007. _____________________ Joshua Thomas Citizen Information Coordinator City of Lake Oswego PO Box 369 Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-0257 office 503-317-5007 cell This is late notice. Can anyone can take their vehicle and participate? Paul ----__JNP_000_2b57.3ccf.321d Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you for your participation in our = fifth annual=20 Earth Day Celebration. With the addition of a marketplace and cooperative=20 weather, this Saturday's community event could eclipse previous attendance= =20 records. Here are some last minute reminders:

Fifth Annual Earth Day Celebration and=20 Marketplace
Saturday, April 23, 1 - 4 p.m.
Millennium Plaza Park, 200= =20 First Street in downtown Lake Oswego

  • Tables and chairs are available for your = use, and=20 you are welcome to bring your own.=20
  • Spots are only reserved for special needs= (space,=20 power, etc.), otherwise it is first come first served.=20
  • Vehicles may be driven on the plaza for = loading=20 and unloading, but must be off premises (unless on display) by 12:30 p.m.= for=20 safety reasons.=20
  • Parking is available at Lake Oswego City = Hall (380=20 A Avenue) and at the nearby municipal lot (Foothills and State) - please = do=20 not park in the Wizer's lot.=20
  • We will have some food vendors present, = and there=20 are also several restaurants and grocery stores within walking distance = if you=20 want to have lunch before the event.=20
  • All vendors and exhibitors are entitled = to a free=20 Earth Day shirt (while supplies last)=20
  • Staff will be on hand to assist with = setup and we=20 will start getting ready around 11:30 a.m.

We hope to see you at the park tomorrow. = Bring=20 friends and family. Thank you for participating and helping make this = annual=20 event a success.

If you need to reach me, I'll have my cell = phone with=20 me at 503-317-5007.

_____________________
= Joshua Thomas
Citizen Information Coordinator
City of Lake Oswego
PO Box 369
Lake Oswego, OR 97034
<= FONT=20 face=3D"Berkeley Book" size=3D2>503-635-0257 office
503-317-5007 cell

This is late notice.  Can anyone can take their vehicle and=20 participate?

Paul

 

 

----__JNP_000_2b57.3ccf.321d-- From Theoldcars@aol.com Fri Apr 22 23:57:42 2005 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3N6vfqh062758 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38.7.) id 6.15.4361a69b (4238) for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:57:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <15.4361a69b.2f9b4bda@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:57:30 EDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1114239450" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] 1998 Ford Ranger on eBay X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:57:42 -0000 -------------------------------1114239450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If any one is looking for the factory made 1998 Ford Ranger Broward County is selling theirs on eBay Item # 7969373821 ends April 26 at 10:02:09 The last truck on eBay went for 12,656 dollars. I don't believe this one will go for as much but you never know. The one before that sold for 7300 I thought was high but looks like a good deal now. Shipping to Portland should be in the 1300 to 1400 range. You could not build this truck for 12,000 dollars. There will be 8 more on sale one a week till they are gone. Replacement used batteries are 4000 dollars installed in Sacramento California. I think a better option would be to change over the batteries to 12 volts. If any one is serious about buying one of these trucks I can fill you in on what I have learned so far. I have the factory shop manual and equipment tester and software all very hard to come by. I will be taking the batteries out of mine and I hope to find a good way to get them running very soon. Don Blazer West Hills Carstar -------------------------------1114239450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If any one is looking for the factory made 1998 Ford Ranger Broward Cou= nty=20 is selling theirs on eBay Item # 7969373821 ends April 26 at 10:02:09
 
The last truck on eBay went for 12,656 dollars. I don't believe this on= e=20 will go for as much but you never know. The one before that sold for 7300 I=20 thought was high but looks like a good deal now. Shipping to Portland should= be=20 in the 1300 to 1400 range. You could not build this truck for 12,000=20 dollars.
 
There will be 8 more on sale one a week till they are gone.=20 Replacement used batteries are 4000 dollars installed in=20 Sacramento California. I think a better option would be to change over=20= the=20 batteries to 12 volts. If any one is serious about buying one of these truck= s I=20 can fill you in on what I have learned so far. I have the factory shop manua= l=20 and equipment tester and software all very hard to come by. I will be taking= the=20 batteries out of mine and I hope to find a good way to get them running very= =20 soon. 
 
Don Blazer
West Hills Carstar
 
 

 
 -------------------------------1114239450-- From gary@whitecape.org Wed Apr 27 21:17:11 2005 Received: from stallman.i.whitecape.org (sub25-166.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.25.166]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3S4HA3I028097 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@whitecape.org) Received: from [192.168.0.19] (unknown [192.168.0.19]) by stallman.i.whitecape.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0ECE15A070 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42705C80.5070600@whitecape.org> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:46:08 -0700 From: Gary Graunke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] A Sustainable Living Festival May 14 and 15th, charging infrastructure X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 04:17:12 -0000 Two quick notes: 1) We have been invited to participate in the Sustainable Living Festival on May 14/15 at the Oregon Convention Center in Portland. This show will feature over 110 booths, demos, workshops, and entertainment designed to educate and celebrate a natural and sustainable (e.g. "Green") lifestyle. They are expecting between 5,000 - 10,000 attendees. (More info at www.NaturalStyleFestival.com). We are still awaiting details on how much space we would have (how many vehicles we will have room for). We would bring vehicles in Friday evening and take them out Sunday evening. There may be a possibility of moving in/out on Saturday evening. We can also have a 10x10 booth with two chairs and a table at the show near our vehicles. I indicated that we would appreciate that, and likely will have materials to hand out. Paul Burkey, our external events chairman, will be helping coordinate this, once we hear more details. For now, this is just a "heads up". This is pretty short notice, but hopefully we can put together a good showing of vehicles. Also, this is a great opportunity to increase awareness and hand out materials. I don't recall all the materials we had at Pioneer Square, but this is a heads up that we have a chance to repeat the great job we did there. BTW, Assuming our insurance papers came through, we are booked for Aug. 20 at Pioneer Square this year. 2) Don Blazer and I are working to save a large quantity of surplus charging equipment from being scrapped (primarily conductive but also large paddle inductive) for basically shipping costs. The conditions are that we are do not sell it. Our intent is to be able to supply local needs and other similar organizations. We may need to find storage for some of this equipment--if you have some ideas (think pallets), we would welcome them. We may want to borrow a special EV from the Wayland garage... Gary -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: A Sustainable Living Festival May 14 and 15th Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:33:48 -0700 From: Graunke, Gary To: robin wang CC: , "Gary Graunke" , "Paul A Burkey" Forgot to cc you on this email... Gary -----Original Message----- From: Graunke, Gary Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:23 PM To: 'Paul A Burkey' Cc: 'Eric Johnson ' Subject: RE: A Sustainable Living Festival May 14 and 15th Paul, I just got a call from Robin. He attended last year's Pioneer Square EV awareness day. I mentioned that you may contact him, and will be our contact (and that normally I would refer his request to you except for the very short timeframe). From my notes... The alternative transporation section will be in a hall near the loading dock. We would bring vehicles in Friday evening and take them out Sunday evening. There may be a possibility of moving in/out on Saturday evening. We can also have a 10x10 booth with two chairs and a table at the show near our vehicles. I indicated that we would appreciate that, and likely will have materials to hand out. I indicated that our vehicles would probably be a subset (except possibly adding pickup trucks) of the ones at Pioneer Square. He will check to see how much room he will have. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Paul A Burkey [mailto:paburkey@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:53 AM To: Graunke, Gary Subject: Re: A Sustainable Living Festival May 14 and 15th Hi Gary, Yes, I want to take over. Did you get back to him. I can take my sparrow in drop it off and ride MAX back. Then I can come back on MAX and drive it home. I got the information on the Earth Day event the same day you sent this so the only thing I did is to put it on the list and I did not have any time to do anything else to try to get anyone to show up. Paul On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:14:52 -0700 "Graunke, Gary" writes: > I called and left a message just now. I said we would be happy to > participate, and have a number of vehicles that would be suitable. > (We'll have to figure out exactly who can attend). > > Paul, thought I'd get back to him ASAP. Did you want to take over > handling this? > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] > On > Behalf Of R Olson > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 12:39 PM > To: oeva-list@oeva.org > Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: OEVA.org Web site feedback > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: robin wang > > Date: April 22, 2005 7:02:30 AM PDT > > To: oeva-ejts_comcast_net@bad-seed.org > > Subject: OEVA.org: ejts_comcast_net > > > > feedback: > > Eric, > > Gary, > > Brad, > > Paul, > > > > The ReDirect Guide will be co-producing the upcoming Natural > Style: > > A Sustainable Living Festival on May 14/15 at the Oregon > Convention > > Center in Portland. This show will feature over 110 booths, > demos, > > workshops, and entertainment designed to educate and celebrate a > > natural and sustainable (e.g. "Green") lifestyle. We are > targetting > > between 5,000 - 10,000 attendees. More information on the event > can be > > > found by visiting www.NaturalStyleFestival.com. > > > > I am writing to see if there is interest from your organization > to > > feature/display one or more of your electric vehicles at the show. > > > TriMet, a sponsor of the show, will be displaying it's hybrid bus > and > > we thought it might be great to showcase some electric vehicles > next > > to it. Since you are a non-profit organization, there would be no > > > cost to your organization for this and we could also include a > booth > > for you to hand out information. > > > > If you are interested, please let me know as soon as possible so > > > that we can discuss the necessary arrangements. > > > > Regards, > > > > Robin Wang > > Co-Publisher, The ReDirect Guide > > 503-281-5001 (direct line) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > From oeva-treas@comcast.net Thu Apr 28 05:26:24 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3SCQOR6036858 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 05:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oeva-treas@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005042812210601400ksb6ke>; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:21:06 +0000 From: "OEVA Treasurer" To: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 05:21:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c54bec$bf5aa140$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C54BB2.12FE3A40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA is Officially Non-Profit and Tax-Exempt X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:26:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C54BB2.12FE3A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All: I am happy to announce that the Oregon Electric Vehicle Association is legally registered as a Non-Profit and now Tax-Exempt organization. The IRS approved our application for Federal tax exemption 4/20/2005. Our EIN is 20-1695025 We were approved as a non-profit organization by the sate of Oregon 9/30/2004. Registry number 244448-95 Rick Barnes, Treasurer OEVA ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C54BB2.12FE3A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All:

 

I am happy to announce that the Oregon Electric = Vehicle Association is legally registered as a Non-Profit and now Tax-Exempt = organization.

The IRS approved our application for Federal tax = exemption 4/20/2005. Our EIN is 20-1695025

We were approved as a non-profit organization by the = sate of Oregon 9/30/2004. Registry number 244448-95

 

Rick Barnes, Treasurer

OEVA

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C54BB2.12FE3A40-- From matwete@comcast.net Thu Apr 28 09:09:43 2005 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3SG9gPs002849 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matwete@comcast.net) Received: from laptop (c-24-22-108-198.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.22.108.198]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050428160936014009p5i3e>; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:09:36 +0000 From: "Myles Twete" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] OEVA is Officially Non-Profit and Tax-Exempt Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:09:27 -0700 Message-ID: <003d01c54c0c$a7da0950$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C54BD1.FB7B3150" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000e01c54bec$bf5aa140$6800a8c0@laundryroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matwete@comcast.net List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:09:43 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C54BD1.FB7B3150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow, congrats to OEVA! Maybe this is already the case, but it's it required that a non-profit have an annual general meeting (AGM) with a 1-month written notice to all members? Also, I believe we are supposed to have an active board. While we list board members at http://www.oeva.org/contact/ , and while my name is on that list with implications that I'm on the board, I've never been invited to or heard of an OEVA board meeting. Maybe we aren't obligated to have board meetings? -Myles Twete (not TWEET as shown on contact page---email address may be in error also) Board Member and Membership Chair, RiversWest Board Member, NW Steam Society ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C54BD1.FB7B3150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow,=20 congrats to OEVA!
 
Maybe=20 this is already the case, but it's it required that a non-profit = have an=20 annual general meeting (AGM) with a 1-month written notice to all=20 members?
Also,=20 I believe we are supposed to have an = active board.
While=20 we list board members at  http://www.oeva.org/contact/&nb= sp;, and=20 while my name is on that list with implications that I'm on the board, = I've=20 never been invited to or heard of an OEVA board = meeting.
 
Maybe=20 we aren't obligated to have board meetings?
 
-Myles = Twete =20 (not TWEET as shown on contact page---email address may be in error=20 also)
Board = Member and=20 Membership Chair, = RiversWest
Board = Member, NW Steam=20 Society
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C54BD1.FB7B3150-- From rolson@gmail.com Thu Apr 28 10:29:11 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j3SHTAtN025917 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:29:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so819284wra for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:29:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=m2lH7ySJkrzYyeKkQn/IhH67wHnpIgEsxYHnobfDMfQ4MTxEAq+r5ZD5YepqR6gTDHdgXTQHkq1M257g/oV+gDWO/AhpRqF0z3+5RxXSuznx+Z/bFqo5C+R2Ynu38+xfjat23cJd6UBCq/MeIQoYnHiLK4EKb0J2OZn9Ii5a7U8= Received: by 10.54.125.2 with SMTP id x2mr844257wrc; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.102? ([209.162.205.68]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 15sm411942wrl.2005.04.28.10.22.21; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <003d01c54c0c$a7da0950$0200a8c0@laptop> References: <003d01c54c0c$a7da0950$0200a8c0@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <129AC5AA-B80A-11D9-AEFC-00039344DDD6@gmail.com> X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] OEVA.org mail contacts Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:22:18 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j3SHTAtN025917 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:29:12 -0000 On Apr 28, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Myles Twete wrote: > -Myles Twete  (not TWEET as shown on contact page---email address may > be in error also) > Sorry Myles! Your name and e-mail address have been updated on the page. It would be nice to get the mail addresses for everyone on that page. (Don't worry, it's spam-proof.) Eric Johnson: ejts "at the site" comcast_net Gary Graunke: Gary.Graunke "at the site" intel.com Rick Barnes: oeva-treas "at the site" comcast.net Mark Mongillo: ?? Brad Hippert: ?? Paul Burkey: ?? Marshall Houston: MHoustonx "at the site" aol.com Myles Twete: matwete "at the site" comcast.net Any corrections, updates, additions would be appreciated. ...Ross... _______________________________________________________ - -- Ross Olson, Web site maintainer for - -- Oregon Electric Vehicle Association - -- http://www.oeva.org/ From paburkey@juno.com Fri Apr 29 07:53:23 2005 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j3TErMJ7062935 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBHEUUFA5527WS for (sender ); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:52:53 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBN9kjLEeCDgjsUHZzko1A8R5yRvp76i7qQ== Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KRRV6EHD; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:52:13 PDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:51:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20050429.075129.1044.1.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_49b8.0554.2818 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-8,10-11,15-16,19-20,21-32767 From: Paul A Burkey X-ContentStamp: 6:3:2709346143 Subject: [Oeva-list] A Sustainable Living Festival May 14 and 15th. X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:53:23 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_49b8.0554.2818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am planning to bring my sparrow to the show. Anyone else please contact Gary Graunke we need to fax in an application for a booth. Also it would be great to have at least two volunteers at the show all the time so if anyone can come and do this please contact me. With the times and dates you can come. You do not have to have an electric vehicle to help. Ross my e-mail address is paburkey@juno.com. Please anyone else that wants to contact me about this event or others that OVEA can participate in. Paul ----__JNP_000_49b8.0554.2818 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I am planning to bring = my sparrow=20 to the show.  Anyone else = please=20 contact Gary Graunke we need to fax in an application for a booth. 

 

Also it would be great = to have at=20 least two volunteers at the show all the time so if anyone can come and do = this=20 please contact me.  With the = times=20 and dates you can come.  You = do not=20 have to have an electric vehicle to help.

 

Ross my e-mail address = is=20 paburkey@juno.com.  Please = anyone=20 else that wants to contact me about this event or others that OVEA can=20 participate in.

 

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----__JNP_000_49b8.0554.2818-- From rolson@gmail.com Sun May 8 12:15:56 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j48JFr1O020633 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:15:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so1701140wra for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:15:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NsW/QCTtINFHU124+mNrbEuSucu4pEpvpv/wUJZ5e1oGzTe7yxttYjGoj6cjl3AKojR3tJm6MnvF10OB1t5eV8r/U0qOhD+o5+mdmDgOZEsSVkb/PRyTv3i5yFceEJgmFAON3V/6hXX95qdyRmCFZI7cRRVbWXvYDKK6mjFE3DI= Received: by 10.54.45.20 with SMTP id s20mr2055896wrs; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.88? ([216.99.213.165]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g2sm110787wra.2005.05.08.12.15.47; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:15:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <949452B0-BFF5-11D9-A63C-00039344DDD6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV lifecycle support network (EV mechanics, etc) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:15:46 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 19:15:56 -0000 > Gary wrote: > Just got back from Austin EAA chapters conference--more at Apr 14 > meeting. A lot of the recent postings suggest we should get moving on > addressing the total life cycle needs of EV owners. > > 1) We start with EV awareness (an area we have traditionally > addressed, and we're making good progress!). > 2) The next step is to help people obtain appropriate EV's (a big > problem, but some bright spots!). > 3) As recent posts have suggested, we need EV maintance support (auto, > electrical, battery). > 4) Public charging infrastructure needs to permit travel around town > and along I5. > 5) We need to help provide a decent secondary market for quality used > EV's when people's needs change. > > I'd like to find people willing to take on one of these areas, so we > can make steady progress. Most of us are pretty busy, but can provide > some time and resources. > > 6) Let's also discuss creating a formal inventory of resources (this > is helpful for new members, primarily, who don't know everyone yet). > While we are thinking primarily of local resources, regional and > global resources would also be good to catalog. > > 7) The idea of a garage crawl event some weekend also is a great way > to get an informal inventory started! After that, project weekends are > a great way to get someone going quickly whether a new conversion or > repair/maintenance activity. We could set up a regular weekend each > month for this. (Just get a good > group of skilled engineers and technicians together on a regular > basis--Discovery channel optional!). Gary, have you had any more discussions on these items with anyone? Perhaps we should take these one at a time at each of the next meetings (after the Segways of course!) and discuss them al together in some sort of order of priority. I'd certainly be comfortable with you and/or Eric sorting these in terms of need and available resources and having them be topics at the next few meetings. ...Ross... From rolson@gmail.com Sun May 8 12:20:55 2005 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j48JKPmH021885 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 12:20:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so1520582wri for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kF5gxkiWOB+VEFg0Ay8oE0DSSMeHL4TjfhO7Fjw1GDb5KZqvODuXDTePDYPVqnGf4DMQfu0L3157Jl76HsRmQrrngR5glfryDN347gsXXm8eqBQ76S8ZPgAfMPn3l0NwZvXOM82xWmdhY2O6xfQhBpPHQAK0ZKosAKJrG16QUHc= Received: by 10.54.32.13 with SMTP id f13mr2135633wrf; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.88? ([216.99.213.165]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d74sm1055100wra.2005.05.08.12.20.18; Sun, 08 May 2005 12:20:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <36D49624-BFF6-11D9-A63C-00039344DDD6@gmail.com> X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" Fleets Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:20:18 -0700 To: " " X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j48JKPmH021885 Cc: Chris Hagerbaumer X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 19:20:58 -0000 On Apr 6, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Chris Hagerbaumer wrote: > Oregon Environmental Council Forum for Business & the Environment > The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" Fleets > April 21, 2005 7:00 AM to 9:00 AM > Multnomah Athletic Club, 1849 SW Salmon, Portland > > As gas prices climb, businesses and individuals are beginning to > recognize that gas sipping cars make sense for their bottom line. > Oregonians are purchasing hybrid gas-electric cars at a rate five > times higher than the national average. Many fleets are not only > “going green,” but also saving money by downsizing vehicles, > purchasing hybrids, and outsourcing services to “car sharing” > companies. Bob Epstein, CEO of Environmental Entrepreneurs, and Deron > Lovaas, Vehicles Campaign Director & Deputy Director for the Smart > Growth and Transportation Program of the Natural Resources Defense > Council, will discuss cutting edge strategies for fleet managers and > the nation's first tailpipe standards to limit greenhouse gas > pollution from cars.  Did anyone from OEVA get a chance to attend this? Were there any big corp names locally that were involved that might be possible OEVA sponsors or partners? ...Ross... From mark58150@yahoo.com Sun May 8 13:25:00 2005 Received: from web61224.mail.yahoo.com (web61224.mail.yahoo.com [209.73.179.58]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j48KOxpO037410 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:24:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark58150@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94573 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2005 20:18:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=AIuIvs4LrESlLwcDocpfXDuwTZ/69rPybvg7PGs0Np+5AYtSEIorCGi0ysPvDBNf+0221qAWFafkQbl9HRe5X62Cw/AyHLF76pQDgO60kmI+wm4NKwwVHyz9aUjLaGOwlawMB+xIrYv9NqOD2sLLXeHrHgTY4gUORRvyP4Wifys= ; Message-ID: <20050508201813.94571.qmail@web61224.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.136.26.228] by web61224.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:18:13 PDT Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 13:18:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Freidberg To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1084842732-1115583493=:94061" Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA Business Cards X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 20:25:00 -0000 --0-1084842732-1115583493=:94061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Could some cards be made available at Thursday's meeting? 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Could some cards be made available at Thursday's meeting?
 
 
Mark Freidberg

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Mail SpamGuard. --0-1084842732-1115583493=:94061-- From tony@notebene.net Sun May 8 15:31:12 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j48MVBUp065062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAA43640EE; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8008C845EB7; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <427E9392.6080400@notebene.net> Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 15:32:50 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu, OEVA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] pulling a original prestolite from an Renault X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 22:31:12 -0000 I haven't posted anything to this list in a long time, but I have a question that I figure only this audience can help me with. I smoked my 48volt prestolite motor the other day on the way home and now I've gotten to the last steps of pulling it out to be replaceed with a ADC 8". Only, I could use some tips on pulling the motor, I have unbolted the obvious stuff on the adapter plate and the carriage, but it seems to still be connected at the shaft. I don't what to 'pry' it apart unless that's what you are supposed to do (cars are like that sometimes). I can see two set screws in the 1/2" gap between the adapter plate and the tranny that go into the collar. I suspect that is the culprit, but they seem virtually impossible to get to with out some kind of special, long square head tool. Anyone do a replacement on an old Electric Leopard? Ideas? -- Tony Tigard, Or From gary.graunke@intel.com Mon May 9 09:13:15 2005 Received: from orsfmr005.jf.intel.com (fmr20.intel.com [134.134.136.19]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j49GDFke097553 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:13:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from orsfmr101.jf.intel.com (orsfmr101.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.17]) by orsfmr005.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id j49GD8xA016448; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:13:08 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.54]) by orsfmr101.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id j49GD8iT007311; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:13:08 GMT Received: from orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.56]) by orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.7.47) with SMTP id M2005050909130705740 ; Mon, 09 May 2005 09:13:07 -0700 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 9 May 2005 09:13:08 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] EV lifecycle support network (EV mechanics, etc) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 09:13:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Oeva-list] EV lifecycle support network (EV mechanics, etc) thread-index: AcVUQheTR9dC/q2yS9K7oRewW42YawAalLzQ From: "Graunke, Gary" To: "R Olson" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 16:13:08.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD16C680:01C554B1] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j49GDFke097553 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:13:15 -0000 We'll be meeting next Thursday, and there is way too much to do! Of course, our Segway speaker will be first on the agenda. After that, there is a lot of work to divide up! Anytime now, but by the end of the month at the latest, we will receive a trailer (yes, 18 wheels) full of charging equipment, which is being donated to us (rather than being scrapped). Don Blazer has offered to store it in the Oregon City Car Stars store. We estimate that there will be 15-20 pallets of material: chargers, mounting posts, plates. We can rent a fork lift, but need someone that can operate fork lifts to help unload the truck and move the pallets to the storage. Other folks can use pallet jacks to reposition them. We'll have a few days notice of when these will be shipped. This weekend, Apr 14 and 15, we have a booth at the Natural Sytle Show in hall D of the Convention Center. I need to submit a list of 6 people by today! So let me know if you can staff the booth: talk EV's and provide handouts. (Can we have handouts made by this weekend?). Set up is 1-8pm on Friday, and we should staff the booth a 9am, tear down is 5-9pm on Sunday. The show is 10-6 on Saturday and 10-5 on Sunday. That covers 1 and 4. If someone could put together item 6, we could hand it out at this weekend. We are now a registered 503c entity. There is some work to do here. We need folks to step forward and organize some of these other items. There is so much going on that we really need to spread the leadership around! That's good! The surge in activity is not particularly the result of our efforts--most of us are way too busy already. We just happen to be here at a historic inflection point--the peaking of global oil production in the face of rapidly increasing foreigh and domestic demand. Forget social security reform (at least for the moment)--how we deal with this issue will have far more impact on our economy and our society. Like it or not, we seem to be blazing the trail on at least one of many possible changes that will be required. Hopefully, we can get some of these issues addressed and get back to having fun working on our vehicles as a hobby (I'm going to have the record for the longest car project!). See you Thursday. In the meantime, if you can help with some of these items, please contact me or Eric! Gary -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of R Olson Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:16 PM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV lifecycle support network (EV mechanics, etc) > Gary wrote: > Just got back from Austin EAA chapters conference--more at Apr 14 > meeting. A lot of the recent postings suggest we should get moving on > addressing the total life cycle needs of EV owners. > > 1) We start with EV awareness (an area we have traditionally > addressed, and we're making good progress!). > 2) The next step is to help people obtain appropriate EV's (a big > problem, but some bright spots!). > 3) As recent posts have suggested, we need EV maintance support (auto, > electrical, battery). > 4) Public charging infrastructure needs to permit travel around town > and along I5. > 5) We need to help provide a decent secondary market for quality used > EV's when people's needs change. > > I'd like to find people willing to take on one of these areas, so we > can make steady progress. Most of us are pretty busy, but can provide > some time and resources. > > 6) Let's also discuss creating a formal inventory of resources (this > is helpful for new members, primarily, who don't know everyone yet). > While we are thinking primarily of local resources, regional and > global resources would also be good to catalog. > > 7) The idea of a garage crawl event some weekend also is a great way > to get an informal inventory started! After that, project weekends are > a great way to get someone going quickly whether a new conversion or > repair/maintenance activity. We could set up a regular weekend each > month for this. (Just get a good > group of skilled engineers and technicians together on a regular > basis--Discovery channel optional!). Gary, have you had any more discussions on these items with anyone? Perhaps we should take these one at a time at each of the next meetings (after the Segways of course!) and discuss them al together in some sort of order of priority. I'd certainly be comfortable with you and/or Eric sorting these in terms of need and available resources and having them be topics at the next few meetings. ...Ross... _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From ejts@netzero.net Mon May 9 11:06:25 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j49I6OnZ029846 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from webmail38.nyc.untd.com (webmail38.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.178]) by smtpout02.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBH9KWFAWT4QJJ for (sender ); Mon, 9 May 2005 11:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qs0fB1r/yuXfVz19Nm+JJAVlx3PNhXbyHg== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail38.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KSKY749Q; Mon, 09 May 2005 11:05:50 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail38.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 9 May 2005 18:05:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 18:05:34 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050509.110550.25557.142861@webmail38.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 5:2:3496368290 Subject: [Oeva-list] May 12th OEVA meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 18:06:25 -0000 It's time again for our monthly meeting. Thursday, May 12, 2005. All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting starts at 7:30PM. 2 World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. This month we get to ride Segways! Portland's Segway dealer will have at least one for any and all to try out in the courtyard. Might be harder this month to just sit around the tables. We'll try also to discuss and develop plans for the action items that have recently been discussed on the list. Any ideas, comments, and especially offers to help will be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to bring both information and questions (and vehicles!). See you there! Eric Johnson OEVA Co-chair From JRay3@aol.com Mon May 9 11:58:31 2005 Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j49IwUTo044128 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 11:58:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from JRay3@aol.com) Received: from JRay3@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.78.72cb4745 (15889) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 14:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M08 (mblk-m08.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.41]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-3e11427fb2c9c6; Mon, 09 May 2005 14:58:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:58:17 -0400 From: jray3@aol.com Message-Id: <8C722E031F879B2-FA4-424D1@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Received: from 159.121.9.50 by MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 09 May 2005 14:58:17 -0400 X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12281 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MailBlocks_8C722E031F879B2_FA4_43CE7_MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.41 Subject: [Oeva-list] Anybody attending the Vancouver EVA show? REV! on June 11th X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 18:58:31 -0000 ----------MailBlocks_8C722E031F879B2_FA4_43CE7_MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy folks, I'm planning to visit the REV! show on June 11th, http://www.veva.bc.ca/rev/2005/index.php and wanted to gauge the opportunity for a carpool. I'll be carrying up 1400 lbs of NiCads for a rendezvous with John Lussmeyer, so I can either offer one passenger seat and perhaps a lightweight tow (nothing bigger than a Sparrow or perhaps the FiAmp), or add 3/4 ton and a detour to some else's hefty tow rig! I'll miss this week's OEVA meeting since I'm participating in a vintage VW cruise across America. www.karmannghia.com Wish Us Luck!, Jay ----------MailBlocks_8C722E031F879B2_FA4_43CE7_MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Howdy folks,
 
I'm planning to visit the REV! show on June 11th,  http://www.veva.bc.ca/rev/2005/index.php 
and wanted to gauge the opportunity for a carpool.  I'll be carrying up 1400 lbs of NiCads for a rendezvous with John Lussmeyer, so I can either offer one passenger seat and perhaps a lightweight tow (nothing bigger than a Sparrow or perhaps the FiAmp), or add 3/4 ton and a detour to some else's hefty tow rig!
 
I'll miss this week's OEVA meeting since I'm participating in a vintage VW cruise across America.
 
Wish Us Luck!,
Jay
----------MailBlocks_8C722E031F879B2_FA4_43CE7_MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com-- From Rick.Durst@pgn.com Mon May 9 17:06:35 2005 Received: from pgn.com (mail.pgn.com [198.107.240.11]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4A06ZgS046494 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 17:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rick.Durst@pgn.com) Received: from WIZ1-MTA by pgn.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 May 2005 16:46:16 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.3 Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:45:58 -0700 From: "Rick Durst" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=__Part85A6B526.0__=" Subject: [Oeva-list] Trojan Batteries X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:06:36 -0000 This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=__Part85A6B526.0__= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trojan 125 batteries have changed to the new bolted lug style post vs the universal or automotive style connection posts. I spoke with Jim at Trojan about the problems I have had with the lugs on the new style, and he suggested that next time I order the olsd style lug which is available form Trojan. Most dealers don't stock them, but will special order them by a pallet at a time. I am planning on getting a new set this winter, but ws wondering if anyone else has any interest. I also was thinking about trying the new AGM battery that is that is the same style as the Trojan 125 with the older posts. Has anyone used these? The manufacturer has a 3 year warranty (pro-rated) and a 1 year full replacement. I get 18 months on a set of the trojans cycling it 45 times per month. Any thoughts?? --=__Part85A6B526.0__= Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
Trojan 125 batteries have changed to the new bolted lug style post vs = the universal or automotive style connection posts.
I spoke with Jim at Trojan about the problems I have had with the = lugs on the new style, and he suggested that next time I order the olsd = style lug which is available form Trojan.  Most dealers don't stock = them, but will special order them by a pallet at a time. 
 
 I am planning on getting a new set this winter, but ws = wondering if anyone else has any interest. 
 
I also was thinking about trying the new AGM battery that is that is = the same style as the Trojan 125 with the older posts.  Has anyone = used these?  The manufacturer has a 3 year warranty (pro-rated) and a = 1 year full replacement. I get 18 months on a set of the trojans = cycling it 45 times per month.
 
Any thoughts??
 
 
--=__Part85A6B526.0__=-- From jrab@e-m-w.com Tue May 10 06:03:57 2005 Received: from e-m-w.com (dhmail01.dollarhost.com [65.61.221.201]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4AD3r42019658 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 06:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrab@e-m-w.com) Received: from [192.168.1.3] [203.79.97.218] by e-m-w.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id AB10107500D8; Tue, 10 May 2005 05:37:36 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 00:37:37 +1200 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Trojan Batteries From: John RA Benson To: Rick Durst , Oregon EV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3198616658_19829340" Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 13:04:00 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3198616658_19829340 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Which new AGM battery are you referring to? Is it a Trojan too, same footprint and capacity as the 125s? And by the way, OEVA, congrats on getting that truckload of parts! JRAB On 5/10/05 11:45 AM, "Rick Durst" wrote: > Trojan 125 batteries have changed to the new bolted lug style post vs the > universal or automotive style connection posts. > I spoke with Jim at Trojan about the problems I have had with the lugs on the > new style, and he suggested that next time I order the olsd style lug which is > available form Trojan. Most dealers don't stock them, but will special order > them by a pallet at a time. > > I am planning on getting a new set this winter, but ws wondering if anyone > else has any interest. > > I also was thinking about trying the new AGM battery that is that is the same > style as the Trojan 125 with the older posts. Has anyone used these? The > manufacturer has a 3 year warranty (pro-rated) and a 1 year full replacement. > I get 18 months on a set of the trojans cycling it 45 times per month. > > Any thoughts?? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > --B_3198616658_19829340 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Oeva-list] Trojan Batteries Which new AGM battery a= re you referring to? Is it a Trojan too, same footprint and capacity as the = 125s?

And by the way, OEVA, congrats on getting that truckload of parts!

JRAB

On 5/10/05 11:45 AM, "Rick Durst" <Rick.Durst@pgn.com> wrot= e:

Trojan 125 batteries have changed to the new bolted lug style post vs the= universal or automotive style connection posts.
I spoke with Jim at Trojan about the problems I have had with the lugs on t= he new style, and he suggested that next time I order the olsd style lug whi= ch is available form Trojan.  Most dealers don't stock them, but will s= pecial order them by a pallet at a time.
 
 I am planning on getting a new set this winter, but ws wondering if a= nyone else has any interest.  
 
I also was thinking about trying the new AGM battery that is that is the sa= me style as the Trojan 125 with the older posts.  Has anyone used these= ?  The manufacturer has a 3 year warranty (pro-rated) and a 1 year full= replacement. I get 18 months on a set of the trojans cycling it 45 times pe= r month.
 
Any thoughts??
 
 

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Please contact Mr. Fergus Pilon @ 503-397-2929 for a registration form. Liability insurance is required. Just confirmed our demonstration of the Segway HT for tomorrow nights meeting. If we can get that parking spot right in front of the gate to the courtyard vacated he will drive his pick up right in. See Ya there, Dave From barnes.rick@comcast.net Thu May 12 05:43:34 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4CChYKR063517 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 05:43:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005051212381701400ejac0e>; Thu, 12 May 2005 12:38:17 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 05:38:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c556ef$78fbd670$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C556B4.CC9CFE70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Subject: [Oeva-list] Zapi H2 Controller X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:43:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C556B4.CC9CFE70 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C556B4.CC9CFE70" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C556B4.CC9CFE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have any experience with the Zapi Controller? Is this a good price? My Curtis 1231C controller fizzled the other day on the Sprint... Rick Barnes Zapi H2 controller with manual For Sale. NEW Zapi H2 controller with manual for series motors. This controller is set for 120 volt / 400 amp. This unit will support battery systems from 24 volt to 120 volt. Max output is 500 amp. $750.00. ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C556B4.CC9CFE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Anyone have any experience with the Zapi Controller? = Is this a good price?

My Curtis 1231C controller fizzled the other day on = the Sprint…..

Rick Barnes

 

<= font size=3D3 face=3DArial>Zapi H2 controller with manual

 

For = Sale. NEW Zapi H2 controller = with manual for series motors. 

This controller is set for 120 volt / 400 amp. 

This unit will support battery systems from 24 volt to 120 volt.

Max output is 500 amp. 

$750.00. =

 

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Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:QxwxEih3gC2AaxHJVsiX4GALs37mZSyX@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4CE5CXb081183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j4CE56DJ026222; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:05:06 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j4CE564r026220; Thu, 12 May 2005 07:05:06 -0700 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200505121405.j4CE564r026220@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Zapi H2 Controller To: barnes.rick@comcast.net (Rick Barnes) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:05:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000601c556ef$78fbd670$6800a8c0@laundryroom> from "Rick Barnes" at May 12, 2005 05:38:17 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:05:19 -0000 Rick, I used to use a Zapi H2 controller with regen. At the time my car had a 120v pack. It worked pretty well, although I felt that the cooling needed to be improved so I made a water-cooled heatsink to bolt it to. I probably still have this heatsink in the garage somewhere. Note that the "120v" version of these controllers is really a 96v model with a little power adaptor box bolted on top. You need to be very sure that the controller never sees a pack voltage more than about 140v or so (I'm not sure of the actual ceiling). My controller quietly died one day when I accidently turned on the ignition while charging with an external charger (which bypasses the normal charger interlock circuitry). If you do buy the Zapi you may need to modify your potbox to add a third wire. It's easy to do. Ralph Rick Barnes writes: > > Anyone have any experience with the Zapi Controller? Is this a good price? > > My Curtis 1231C controller fizzled the other day on the Sprint... > > Rick Barnes > > > > Zapi H2 controller with manual > > > > For Sale. NEW Zapi H2 controller with manual for series motors. > > This controller is set for 120 volt / 400 amp. > > This unit will support battery systems from 24 volt to 120 volt. > > Max output is 500 amp. > > $750.00. From roylemeur@hotmail.com Thu May 12 11:26:10 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f11.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.21]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4CIQA2a052239 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 11:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roylemeur@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 May 2005 11:08:49 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:08:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Originating-Email: [roylemeur@hotmail.com] X-Sender: roylemeur@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200505121405.j4CE564r026220@onyx.spiritone.com> From: "Roy LeMeur" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Zapi H2 Controller Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:08:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2005 18:08:49.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5611BC0:01C5571D] X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:26:10 -0000 > > Anyone have any experience with the Zapi Controller? Is this a good >price? Good price. I installed one of these in this car- http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/G1page.html Use a large heatsink with a fan on it. Regen is two-step, throttle off supplies a few amps, brake pedal mounted switch adds a few more. Verify that the motor is neutrally timed. Regen can be hard on brushes and commutators. Watch that peak voltage. Burn off excess juice if necessary. It will let the smoke out if you fire it up at the top of charge with charger running. At less than 120V nominal this is not a problem. Zapis can be very picky, get a good wiring schematic and instructions. Can you read Italian? :^D Good Luck! . Roy LeMeur cloudevtech@msn.com http://www.cloudelectric.com http://www.dcelectricsupply.com Cloud Electric Vehicles 19428 66th Ave So, Q-101 Kent, Washington 98032 phone: 425-251-6380 fax: 425-251-6381 Toll Free: 800-648-7716 My Electric Vehicle Pages: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html Informative Electric Vehicle Links: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm >From: Ralph Merwin >To: barnes.rick@comcast.net (Rick Barnes) >CC: oeva-list@oeva.org >Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Zapi H2 Controller >Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:05:06 -0700 (PDT) > > >Rick, > >I used to use a Zapi H2 controller with regen. At the time my car had >a 120v pack. It worked pretty well, although I felt that the cooling >needed to be improved so I made a water-cooled heatsink to bolt it to. >I probably still have this heatsink in the garage somewhere. > >Note that the "120v" version of these controllers is really a 96v model >with a little power adaptor box bolted on top. You need to be very sure >that the controller never sees a pack voltage more than about 140v or so >(I'm not sure of the actual ceiling). My controller quietly died one day >when I accidently turned on the ignition while charging with an external >charger (which bypasses the normal charger interlock circuitry). > >If you do buy the Zapi you may need to modify your potbox to add a third >wire. It's easy to do. > >Ralph > > >Rick Barnes writes: > > > > Anyone have any experience with the Zapi Controller? Is this a good >price? > > > > My Curtis 1231C controller fizzled the other day on the Sprint... > > > > Rick Barnes > > > > > > > > Zapi H2 controller with manual > > > > > > > > For Sale. NEW Zapi H2 controller with manual for series motors. > > > > This controller is set for 120 volt / 400 amp. > > > > This unit will support battery systems from 24 volt to 120 volt. > > > > Max output is 500 amp. > > > > $750.00. > > >_______________________________________________ >Oeva-list mailing list >Oeva-list@oeva.org >http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From ejts@netzero.net Thu May 12 23:46:56 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4D6kt2V025234 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 23:46:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from webmail38.nyc.untd.com (webmail38.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.178]) by smtpout02.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBJJVKUACCFUYJ for (sender ); Thu, 12 May 2005 23:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qiho98AkKu7SCcWHuX6Y9Isdi1PPs6LvAw== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail38.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KSU3UU2B; Thu, 12 May 2005 23:45:17 PDT Received: from [24.21.106.130] by webmail38.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 13 May 2005 06:45:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.21.106.130] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 06:45:16 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050512.234517.17561.9148@webmail38.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:936048996 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.178|webmail38.nyc.untd.com|webmail38.nyc.untd.com|ejts@netzero.net Subject: [Oeva-list] Honda Civic glider available X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 06:46:56 -0000 A person I've worked with and trust at OMSI today told me he has a Honda Civic with a blown engine that he's willing to sell. It's reported to be in good mechanical shape otherwise, with standard transmission. I forgot to get any more information in our brief encounter, so I don't know which body style (I assume 4-door sedan). As I recall, it was a 1991. If anyone's interested, send me the contact information you'd like me to pass on to him and I'll do so. He's toying with the idea of converting it himself, but isn't really ready to take on that project. He also is not sure what it's worth, so you'll have to work that out with him. He is the person I've worked through for some of the paying jobs I've done for OMSI and he's always been fair with me, so I'm comfortable recommending you talk to him. Just passing on what little I know. Contact me if you want to pursue this. -- Eric From alan@batie.org Fri May 13 01:47:36 2005 Received: from [192.168.0.5] (cvo-cr1-200-15.peak.org [69.59.200.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4D8lZB8047085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 01:47:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@batie.org) Message-ID: <428469A2.2070700@batie.org> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 01:47:30 -0700 From: Alan Batie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000909050901040603080205" Subject: [Oeva-list] Segwaying X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:47:37 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000909050901040603080205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, that could be an expensive trip to Portland ;-) There were two segways to play with, and much as I thought it was a silly idea when they came out, it is a pretty cool toy and well done. The tires are low pressure (15psi) so if you run over toes, it doesn't hurt (the demo guy even put his hand down and had someone run over his fingers), and because when you lean back, it stops and backs up, if you run into someone, it's more like someone lightly walking into you. They're using ibuttons for the keys --- it comes with 3: the black one for learning limits it to 6mph and doesn't turn as quick, yellow is mid-range, and the red one lets it go 12.5mph and turn very quickly. They come with nimh batteries now, and soon will have lithium as an option, and they also have some with atv style tires for using them off road, as well as working on a 4 wheel version that is more like an atv, except it can do low speed wheelies, though I think turning around in place is about the only useful purpose for that (aside from just playing ;-) ). 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([216.99.213.165]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d74sm1145001wra.2005.05.15.22.46.28; Sun, 15 May 2005 22:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Subject: Fwd: [Oeva-list] The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" Fleets Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:46:27 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j4G5kY3h009126 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 05:46:35 -0000 Hey guys, We should consider what some more contacts with local BigCo.'s can help us accomplish. The list below of companies that attended the presentation may have sympathetic ears for our ideas. With our non-profit status we could also solicit for Grants from organizations like the Meyer Memorial Trust and such. What would we do if we had a budget? Conversion workshops? a better display for events? greater resources for members? ...Ross... Begin forwarded message: > From: "Chris Hagerbaumer" > Date: May 10, 2005 9:33:30 AM PDT > To: "R Olson" > Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" > Fleets > > Hi, Ross: > > The focus was actually much more on California’s tailpipe standards, > and less on “green” fleets, although Dan Clem of Oregon Department of > Administrative Services did a great job describing what the state’s > doing.  > >   > > Besides representatives from utilities, agencies & the Port, the > following businesses were represented: > >   > > David Evans and Associates > > CH2MHILL > > The Standard > > Intel Finance > > Ashforth Pacific > > Axis Performance Advisors > > ESCO Corporation > > West Linn Paper Co > > Franz Bakery > > Stoel Rives > > Avanti Accounting LLC > > Eagle Crest Resort > > Environmental Practices LLC > > GRI > > Wells Fargo Bank > > TriMet > > URS Corporation > > Hot Lips Pizza > >   > > Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director > > Oregon Environmental Council > > 222 NW Davis Street, Suite 309 > > Portland, OR 97209-3900 > > 503-222-1963 x102 > > chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org > > ~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy environment~ > >   > > -----Original Message----- > From: R Olson [mailto:rolson@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:20 PM > To: > Cc: Chris Hagerbaumer > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" > Fleets > >   > > On Apr 6, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Chris Hagerbaumer wrote: > >   > > > Oregon Environmental Council Forum for Business & the Environment > > > The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" Fleets > > > April 21, 2005 7:00 AM to 9:00 AM > > > Multnomah Athletic Club, 1849 SW Salmon, Portland > > >  > > > As gas prices climb, businesses and individuals are beginning to > > > recognize that gas sipping cars make sense for their bottom line. > > > Oregonians are purchasing hybrid gas-electric cars at a rate five > > > times higher than the national average. Many fleets are not only > > > “going green,” but also saving money by downsizing vehicles, > > > purchasing hybrids, and outsourcing services to “car sharing” > > > companies. Bob Epstein, CEO of Environmental Entrepreneurs, and > Deron > > > Lovaas, Vehicles Campaign Director & Deputy Director for the Smart > > > Growth and Transportation Program of the Natural Resources Defense > > > Council, will discuss cutting edge strategies for fleet managers and > > > the nation's first tailpipe standards to limit greenhouse gas > > > pollution from cars.  > >   > > Did anyone from OEVA get a chance to attend this? Were there any big > > corp names locally that were involved that might be possible OEVA > > sponsors or partners? > >   > > ...Ross... > >   > >   From barnes.rick@comcast.net Mon May 16 05:10:55 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4GCAtGs080133 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 05:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20050516120501013005b7nne>; Mon, 16 May 2005 12:05:01 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 05:04:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c55a0f$7c1b9980$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C559D4.CFBCC180" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Van X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 12:10:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C559D4.CFBCC180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a factory made Dodge Caravan on eBay =20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=3D1&item=3D45= 4921828 6&category=3D6193 =20 http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/008.html =20 "This is an electric version of a Dodge Caravan, one of 56 built by = Chrysler as a test program. One half of the vans were equipped with = Eagle-Pitcher Nickel-Iron batteries, and one half with SAFT Nickel-Cadmium batteries. Mine is one of the second group. This van gives a very good idea of = what is possible if the auto industry decided to build EVs. It is fully = equipped with seating for five, dual airbags, power steering, power brakes, and a very powerful electric heater. The batteries are conservatively rated = for 100,000 miles of service." ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C559D4.CFBCC180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There is a factory made Dodge Caravan on = eBay

 

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=

 

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“This is an electric version of a Dodge Caravan, one of 56 = built by Chrysler as a test program.  One half of the vans were equipped = with Eagle-Pitcher Nickel-Iron batteries, and one half with SAFT = Nickel-Cadmium batteries.  Mine is one of the second group.  This van gives a = very good idea of what is possible if the auto industry decided to build = EVs.  It is fully equipped with seating for five, dual airbags, power = steering, power brakes, and a very powerful electric heater.  The batteries are conservatively rated for 100,000 miles of = service.”

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C559D4.CFBCC180-- From barnes.rick@comcast.net Mon May 16 05:14:55 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4GCEtWg080675 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 05:14:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20050516121449013005bbfoe>; Mon, 16 May 2005 12:14:49 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 05:14:48 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c55a10$dada66d0$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C559D6.2E7B8ED0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Subject: [Oeva-list] PFC-50 Charger on eBay X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 12:14:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C559D6.2E7B8ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do believe this one has the buck enhancement. Model is PFC50BH, serial = #18 =20 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D797424696= 4&fro mMakeTrack=3Dtrue#ebayphotohosting =20 Sells for $3000 new. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C559D6.2E7B8ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I do believe this one has the buck enhancement. Model = is PFC50BH, serial #18

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt= em&item=3D7974246964&fromMakeTrack=3Dtrue#ebayphotohosting=

 

Sells for $3000 new.

------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C559D6.2E7B8ED0-- From jerry.mcintire@comcast.net Mon May 16 15:09:02 2005 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56] (may be forged)) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4GM92JU027149 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerry.mcintire@comcast.net) Received: from [67.160.149.188] (c-67-160-149-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.160.149.188]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <200505162201190120068ngve>; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:01:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <200505161904.j4GJ4G4b079032@agora.rdrop.com> References: <200505161904.j4GJ4G4b079032@agora.rdrop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jerry McIntire Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 15:01:23 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: megavolt X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:09:02 -0000 Pardon my memory, but who converted Megavolt for the good doctor? BTW, the auction was ended early but it's been restarted. Glitch in the first one. Jerry From Theoldcars@aol.com Mon May 16 15:18:43 2005 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4GMIhVe029455 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:18:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.19b.340d704b (1320) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 18:13:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <19b.340d704b.2fba7501@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:13:21 EDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1116281601" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Businesses Supporting EVs X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:18:44 -0000 -------------------------------1116281601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en =20 Hello Ross =20 Of the list of businesses. I actually just seen on the news the other night=20= =20 about Hot Lips Pizza. They are using NEVs to deliver pizza and were having =20 problems with their insurance company insuring them. This business should be= a =20 member and a supporter of the group. =20 Don Blazer =20 =20 In a message dated 5/16/2005 12:04:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, =20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list@oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request@oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-owner@oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. "Megavolt" is on Ebay now (Mark Freidberg) 2. Fwd: [Oeva-list] The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" Fleets (R Olson) 3. EV Van (Rick Barnes) 4. PFC-50 Charger on eBay (Rick Barnes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Freidberg Subject: [Oeva-list] "Megavolt" is on Ebay now To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-ID: <20050516002012.67191.qmail@web61223.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Here's the listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D6355&ite= m=3D45 50160124&rd=3D1 Mark Freidberg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20050515/d5e9f5f4/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:46:27 -0700 From: R Olson Subject: Fwd: [Oeva-list] The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" Fleets To: oeva-list@oeva.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DWINDOWS-1252; format=3Dflowed Hey guys, We should consider what some more contacts with local BigCo.'s can=20 help us accomplish. The list below of companies that attended the=20 presentation may have sympathetic ears for our ideas. With our=20 non-profit status we could also solicit for Grants from organizations=20 like the Meyer Memorial Trust and such. What would we do if we had a budget? Conversion workshops? a better=20 display for events? greater resources for members? ...Ross... Begin forwarded message: > From: "Chris Hagerbaumer" > Date: May 10, 2005 9:33:30 AM PDT > To: "R Olson" > Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green"=20 > Fleets > > Hi, Ross: > > The focus was actually much more on California=E2=80=99s tailpipe standa= rds,=20 > and less on =E2=80=9Cgreen=E2=80=9D fleets, although Dan Clem of Oregon D= epartment of=20 > Administrative Services did a great job describing what the state=E2=80= =99s=20 > doing.=20 > > =20 > > Besides representatives from utilities, agencies & the Port, the=20 > following businesses were represented: > > =20 > > David Evans and Associates > > CH2MHILL > > The Standard > > Intel Finance > > Ashforth Pacific > > Axis Performance Advisors > > ESCO Corporation > > West Linn Paper Co > > Franz Bakery > > Stoel Rives > > Avanti Accounting LLC > > Eagle Crest Resort > > Environmental Practices LLC > > GRI > > Wells Fargo Bank > > TriMet > > URS Corporation > > Hot Lips Pizza > > =20 > > Christine Hagerbaumer | Program Director > > Oregon Environmental Council > > 222 NW Davis Street, Suite 309 > > Portland, OR 97209-3900 > > 503-222-1963 x102 > > chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org > > ~Bringing Oregonians together for a healthy environment~ > > =20 > > -----Original Message----- > From: R Olson [mailto:rolson@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:20 PM > To: > Cc: Chris Hagerbaumer > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green"=20 > Fleets > > =20 > > On Apr 6, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Chris Hagerbaumer wrote: > > =20 > > > Oregon Environmental Council Forum for Business & the Environment > > > The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" Fleets > > > April 21, 2005 7:00 AM to 9:00 AM > > > Multnomah Athletic Club, 1849 SW Salmon, Portland > > >=20 > > > As gas prices climb, businesses and individuals are beginning to > > > recognize that gas sipping cars make sense for their bottom line. > > > Oregonians are purchasing hybrid gas-electric cars at a rate five > > > times higher than the national average. Many fleets are not only > > > =E2=80=9Cgoing green,=E2=80=9D but also saving money by downsizing ve= hicles, > > > purchasing hybrids, and outsourcing services to =E2=80=9Ccar sharing= =E2=80=9D > > > companies. Bob Epstein, CEO of Environmental Entrepreneurs, and=20 > Deron > > > Lovaas, Vehicles Campaign Director & Deputy Director for the Smart > > > Growth and Transportation Program of the Natural Resources Defense > > > Council, will discuss cutting edge strategies for fleet managers and > > > the nation's first tailpipe standards to limit greenhouse gas > > > pollution from cars.=20 > > =20 > > Did anyone from OEVA get a chance to attend this? Were there any big > > corp names locally that were involved that might be possible OEVA > > sponsors or partners? > > =20 > > ...Ross... > > =20 > > =20 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 05:04:59 -0700 From: "Rick Barnes" Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Van To: Message-ID: <001801c55a0f$7c1b9980$6800a8c0@laundryroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" There is a factory made Dodge Caravan on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=3D1&item=3D45492= 1828 6&category=3D6193 http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/008.html "This is an electric version of a Dodge Caravan, one of 56 built by Chrysle= r as a test program. One half of the vans were equipped with Eagle-Pitcher Nickel-Iron batteries, and one half with SAFT Nickel-Cadmium batteries. Mine is one of the second group. This van gives a very good idea of what i= s possible if the auto industry decided to build EVs. It is fully equipped with seating for five, dual airbags, power steering, power brakes, and a very powerful electric heater. The batteries are conservatively rated for 100,000 miles of service." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20050516/5c356245/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 05:14:48 -0700 From: "Rick Barnes" Subject: [Oeva-list] PFC-50 Charger on eBay To: Message-ID: <002201c55a10$dada66d0$6800a8c0@laundryroom> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" I do believe this one has the buck enhancement. Model is PFC50BH, serial #= 18 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D7974246964&f= ro mMakeTrack=3Dtrue#ebayphotohosting Sells for $3000 new. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of the list of businesses. I actually just seen on the news the other n= ight=20 about Hot Lips Pizza. They are using NEVs to deliver pizza and were having=20 problems with their insurance company insuring them. This business should be= a=20 member and a supporter of the group.
 
Don Blazer
 
 
In a message dated 5/16/2005 12:04:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:
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   2. Fwd: [Oeva-list] The Business= =20 Case for Clean Cars and "Green"
      Fleets (R=20 Olson)
   3. EV Van (Rick Barnes)
   4. PFC-50=20 Charger on eBay (Rick=20 Barnes)


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Here's the=20 listing:

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    Fleets
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Hey guys,
We=20 should consider what some more contacts with local BigCo.'s  can
= help=20 us accomplish. The list below of companies that attended the
presentat= ion=20 may have sympathetic ears for our ideas. With our
non-profit status we= =20 could also solicit for Grants from organizations
like the Meyer Memori= al=20 Trust and such.

What would we do if we had a budget? Conversion=20 workshops? a better
display for events? greater resources for=20 members?


...Ross...


Begin forwarded message:

= >=20 From: "Chris Hagerbaumer" <chrish@oeconline.org>
> Date: May 1= 0,=20 2005 9:33:30 AM PDT
> To: "R Olson" <rolson@gmail.com>
>= =20 Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green"
= >=20 Fleets
>
> Hi, Ross:
>
>  The focus was actua= lly=20 much more on California=E2=80=99s tailpipe standards,
> and less on= =E2=80=9Cgreen=E2=80=9D=20 fleets, although Dan Clem of Oregon Department of
> Administrative=20 Services did a great job describing what the state=E2=80=99s
>=20 doing. 
>
>   
>
> Besides=20 representatives from utilities, agencies & the Port, the
>=20 following businesses were represented:
>
>  
>
&= gt;=20 David  Evans and Associates
>
> CH2MHILL
>
>=20 The  Standard
>
> Intel  Finance
>
>=20 Ashforth Pacific
>
> Axis Performance Advisors
>
>= =20 ESCO Corporation
>
> West  Linn Paper Co
>
>=20 Franz  Bakery
>
> Stoel  Rives
>
> Avant= i=20 Accounting LLC
>
> Eagle  Crest Resort
>
>=20 Environmental Practices LLC
>
> GRI
>
> Wells = ;=20 Fargo Bank
>
> TriMet
>
> URS=20 Corporation
>
> Hot  Lips Pizza
>
>=20  
>
> Christine Hagerbaumer | Program=20 Director
>
> Oregon Environmental Council
>
> 222=20= NW=20 Davis Street, Suite 309
>
> Portland, OR=20 97209-3900
>
> 503-222-1963 x102
>
> =20 chrish@oeconline.org | www.oeconline.org
>
> ~Bringing Oregoni= ans=20 together for a healthy environment~
>
>  
>
>= =20 -----Original Message-----
>  From: R Olson=20 [mailto:rolson@gmail.com]
>  Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:20=20 PM
>  To: <oeva-list@oeva.org>=20 <oeva-list@oeva.org>
>  Cc: Chris Hagerbaumer
>&nbs= p;=20 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green"
= >=20 Fleets
>
>  
>
> On Apr 6, 2005, at 2:46 PM,=20 Chris Hagerbaumer wrote:
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>  
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> > Orego= n=20 Environmental Council Forum for Business & the Environment
>
= >=20 > The Business Case for Clean Cars and "Green" Fleets
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> &= gt;=20 April 21, 2005 7:00 AM to 9:00 AM
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> > Multnomah Athletic=20 Club, 1849 SW Salmon, Portland
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> > 
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>=20= >=20 As gas prices climb, businesses and individuals are beginning=20 to
>
>  > recognize that gas sipping cars make sense f= or=20 their bottom line.
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>  > Oregonians are purchasing hy= brid=20 gas-electric cars at a rate five
>
>  > times higher t= han=20 the national average. Many fleets are not only
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>  >=20 =E2=80=9Cgoing green,=E2=80=9D but also saving money by downsizing=20 vehicles,
>
>  > purchasing hybrids, and outsourcing=20 services to =E2=80=9Ccar sharing=E2=80=9D
>
>  > compa= nies. Bob Epstein,=20 CEO of Environmental Entrepreneurs, and
> Deron
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>&nbs= p;=20 > Lovaas, Vehicles Campaign Director & Deputy Director for the=20 Smart
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>  > Growth and Transportation Program of the=20 Natural Resources Defense
>
>  > Council, will discuss= =20 cutting edge strategies for fleet managers and
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>  >=20= the=20 nation's first tailpipe standards to limit greenhouse=20 gas
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>  > pollution from cars. 
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>=20  
>
> Did anyone from OEVA get a chance to attend this? W= ere=20 there any big
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>  corp names locally that were involved=20= that=20 might be possible OEVA
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>  sponsors or=20 partners?
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>  
>
> ...Ross...
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>= ;=20  
>
>=20  




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Message:=20 3
Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 05:04:59 -0700
From: "Rick Barnes"=20 <barnes.rick@comcast.net>
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Van
To:=20 <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID:=20 <001801c55a0f$7c1b9980$6800a8c0@laundryroom>
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There is a factory made Dodge Cara= van on=20 eBay



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt= em&rd=3D1&item=3D454921828
6&category=3D6193



h= ttp://www.austinev.org/evalbum/008.html



"This=20 is an electric version of a Dodge Caravan, one of 56 built by Chrysler
= as a=20 test program.  One half of the vans were equipped with=20 Eagle-Pitcher
Nickel-Iron batteries, and one half with SAFT Nickel-Cadm= ium=20 batteries.
Mine is one of the second group.  This van gives a very= =20 good idea of what is
possible if the auto industry decided to build=20 EVs.  It is fully equipped
with seating for five, dual airbags, po= wer=20 steering, power brakes, and a
very powerful electric heater.  The=20 batteries are conservatively rated for
100,000 miles of=20 service."

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Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 05:14:48 -0700
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Subject: [Oeva-list] PFC-50 Charger on=20 eBay
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I do believe this one has the buck= =20 enhancement. Model is PFC50BH, serial=20 #18



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte= m&item=3D7974246964&fro
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-------------------------------1116281601-- From gary.graunke@intel.com Mon May 16 16:00:47 2005 Received: from orsfmr002.jf.intel.com (fmr17.intel.com [134.134.136.16]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4GN0lBA038536 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 16:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (orsfmr100.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.16]) by orsfmr002.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id j4GN0eEL015532; Mon, 16 May 2005 23:00:40 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.54]) by orsfmr100.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id j4GN0ecI032764; Mon, 16 May 2005 23:00:40 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.7.47) with SMTP id M2005051616004028291 ; Mon, 16 May 2005 16:00:40 -0700 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 16 May 2005 16:00:40 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Re: megavolt Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:00:39 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Oeva-list] Re: megavolt thread-index: AcVaZhv3CX9IRH3iQ6G2/4SKxU8frQABI63A From: "Graunke, Gary" To: "Jerry McIntire" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2005 23:00:40.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[148ECAB0:01C55A6B] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j4GN0lBA038536 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 23:00:47 -0000 Megavolt was converted by Lon Gillis, who I believe was a founder of the OEVA. He had a business in Newberg for a while, but has returned to teaching. BTW, I actually drove it last year, when it was up for sale, and put it on the OEVA website. It has new batteries as of a year ago, and was climbing some really steep hills when I drove it. This is a pretty good DC conversion, and has an interesting 8K generator on top of that. Gary -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Jerry McIntire Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 3:01 PM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: megavolt Pardon my memory, but who converted Megavolt for the good doctor? BTW, the auction was ended early but it's been restarted. Glitch in the first one. Jerry _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From acid_lead@yahoo.com Mon May 16 20:57:03 2005 Received: from web14826.mail.yahoo.com (web14826.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.197]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4H3v3LG002400 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 20:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acid_lead@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 8370 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2005 03:56:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=xWVGP8npDzeYMh62Skt4e3eNQMxMFlhUHFzlJdudo6MxMig+C4f72bW+chxPF+EZN+tIXBT9IYCSgRf8CR1O0icRohh1IDH8rk5Qks0LUb3Hu2omreGrfgeo7tLKQ7UXiNxtZ96Fr4v7HfpWyeeyHNq1AbRKK1GckF0CGL06sKw= ; Message-ID: <20050517035647.8368.qmail@web14826.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.190.88.118] by web14826.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 May 2005 20:56:47 PDT Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: George Tylinski Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Segwaying To: oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: <428469A2.2070700@batie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:57:03 -0000 I also liked my ride. The controls work really well and it runs super smooth and quiet. It takes some practice to stand still though... Also, we did not try real-world riding up and down ramps, curbs, etc. which is critical for practical use. I think fatigue might set in after 30 minutes or so of riding if there were a lot of stop and go. But that's the fun, isn't it? -GT --- Alan Batie wrote: > Well, that could be an expensive trip to Portland ;-) There > were two > segways to play with, and much as I thought it was a silly > idea when > they came out, it is a pretty cool toy and well done.[snip] George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) 73 MG Midget / Portland, OR Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From alan@batie.org Mon May 16 21:28:12 2005 Received: from [192.168.0.5] (cvo-cr1-200-15.peak.org [69.59.200.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4H4SBaB008519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 21:28:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@batie.org) Message-ID: <428972CA.6030407@batie.org> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:27:54 -0700 From: Alan Batie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Segwaying References: <20050517035647.8368.qmail@web14826.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050517035647.8368.qmail@web14826.mail.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080602020200040700010401" X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 04:28:12 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080602020200040700010401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Tylinski wrote: > I think > fatigue might set in after 30 minutes or so of riding if there > were a lot of stop and go. But that's the fun, isn't it? 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Mon, 16 May 2005 22:06:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerry.mcintire@comcast.net) Received: from [67.160.149.188] (c-67-160-149-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.160.149.188]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <200505170506500120061pdde>; Tue, 17 May 2005 05:06:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <200505170429.j4H4T5oR008711@agora.rdrop.com> References: <200505170429.j4H4T5oR008711@agora.rdrop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8e8f5930d8a97183f12b3f404492095f@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jerry McIntire Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:06:34 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Dodge TEVan on ebay X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:06:57 -0000 It sold this evening for $11,211. The bidding left me in the dust. Jerry From tony@notebene.net Thu May 19 14:52:54 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4JLqrxF002063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A463640F4 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B328845EB7 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <428D0B22.3000204@notebene.net> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:54:42 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Segwaying References: <20050517035647.8368.qmail@web14826.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050517035647.8368.qmail@web14826.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080502040400080505030909" X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:52:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080502040400080505030909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw 2 cops in the Baltimore airport today zipping around at high speed on them, I'll bet they use them more than 30 minutes at a time... Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html George Tylinski wrote: >I also liked my ride. The controls work really well and it runs >super smooth and quiet. It takes some practice to stand still >though... Also, we did not try real-world riding up and down >ramps, curbs, etc. which is critical for practical use. I think >fatigue might set in after 30 minutes or so of riding if there >were a lot of stop and go. But that's the fun, isn't it? >-GT > >--- Alan Batie wrote: > > > >>Well, that could be an expensive trip to Portland ;-) There >>were two >>segways to play with, and much as I thought it was a silly >>idea when >>they came out, it is a pretty cool toy and well done.[snip] >> >> > > >George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) >73 MG Midget / Portland, OR > > > >Yahoo! Mail >Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: >http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > >_______________________________________________ >Oeva-list mailing list >Oeva-list@oeva.org >http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > --------------080502040400080505030909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw 2 cops in the Baltimore airport today zipping around at high speed on them, I'll bet they use them more than 30 minutes at a time...

Tony
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George Tylinski wrote: 
I also liked my ride. The controls work really well and it runs
super smooth and quiet. It takes some practice to stand still
though... Also, we did not try real-world riding up and down
ramps, curbs, etc. which is critical for practical use. I think
fatigue might set in after 30 minutes or so of riding if there
were a lot of stop and go. But that's the fun, isn't it?
-GT

--- Alan Batie <alan@batie.org> wrote:

  
Well, that could be an expensive trip to Portland ;-)  There
were two 
segways to play with, and much as I thought it was a silly
idea when 
they came out, it is a pretty cool toy and well done.[snip]
    


George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead)
73 MG Midget / Portland, OR


		
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--------------080502040400080505030909-- From tony@notebene.net Fri May 20 16:40:42 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4KNegLI028985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:40:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23E13640EF; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A058845EB7; Fri, 20 May 2005 16:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <428E75E3.3010309@notebene.net> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 16:42:27 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu, OEVA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Renault leopard motor upgrade questions X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 23:40:42 -0000 I have now pulled the old 48V prestolite (thanks for the help). As I was told it came out with the fly wheel attached. The flywheel still has the teeth for the starter and I was wondering if it would be a good idea to lighten it up by removing them. Or, even better, is the fly wheel is really needed at all in a EV, the new ADC 8" is heavyer and I'm looking for places to lighten things up. -- Tony "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html From barnes.rick@comcast.net Sat May 21 01:54:16 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4L8sGQ4030840 for ; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:54:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc76.asp.att.net[204.127.197.158]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005052108541001400sokgoe>; Sat, 21 May 2005 08:54:10 +0000 Received: from [24.21.57.113] by 204.127.197.111; Sat, 21 May 2005 08:54:10 +0000 From: barnes.rick@comcast.net To: Tony McCormick , ev@listproc.sjsu.edu, OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Renault leopard motor upgrade questions Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 08:54:10 +0000 Message-Id: <052120050854.28940.428EF7320000DAF40000710C2206424413050C079DD29C0A029D0E0D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: YmFybmVzLnJpY2tAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28940_1116665650_0" Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 08:54:16 -0000 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28940_1116665650_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit How about couple the motor directly to the transmission, eliminating the flywheel and clutch, clutch pedal etc? This reduces the number of components, lighter and simpler. Also, since electric motors are not always designed for thrust loads eliminating the clutch may be better for motor longevity. Rick Barnes -------------- Original message -------------- > I have now pulled the old 48V prestolite (thanks for the help). As I > was told it came out with the fly wheel attached. > > The flywheel still has the teeth for the starter and I was wondering if > it would be a good idea to lighten it up by removing them. > Or, even better, is the fly wheel is really needed at all in a EV, the > new ADC 8" is heavyer and I'm looking for places to lighten things up. > > -- > Tony > "Welcome to the dawn of a new error" > http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28940_1116665650_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
How about couple the motor directly to the transmission, eliminating the flywheel and clutch, clutch pedal etc? This reduces the number of components, lighter and simpler. Also, since electric motors are not always designed for thrust loads eliminating the clutch may be better for motor longevity.
 
Rick Barnes
 
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> I have now pulled the old 48V prestolite (thanks for the help). As I
> was told it came out with the fly wheel attached.
>
> The flywheel still has the teeth for the starter and I was wondering if
> it would be a good idea to lighten it up by removing them.
> Or, even better, is the fly wheel is really needed at all in a EV, the
> new ADC 8" is heavyer and I'm looking for places to lighten things up.
>
> --
> Tony
> "Welcome to the dawn of a new error"
> http://www.notebene.net/philosophy.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list@oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28940_1116665650_0-- From copperlion@copperlionslair.com Sun May 22 14:34:39 2005 Received: from webmaillogin.com (webmaillogin.com [216.40.35.67] (may be forged)) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4MLYcc1086252 for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 14:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from copperlion@copperlionslair.com) Received: from [159.121.28.62] (account copperlion@copperlionslair.com) by bk2.webmaillogin.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2.8) with HTTP id 20753536 for oeva-list@oeva.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 16:34:37 -0400 From: To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.8 Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:34:37 -0700 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] electric car on eBay X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:34:39 -0000 Here's one you don't find every day: a 1919 Detroit Electric It looks to be in good shape, all things considered, from the photos. It doesn't say if it has the original motor or drivetrain. Imagine getting something like this at the EV Awareness Day! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4551912191&fromMakeTrack=true -Kevin From ejts@netzero.net Tue May 24 10:35:05 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4OHZ5MC052481 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail18.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.158]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBKG3NAANP5292 for (sender ); Tue, 24 May 2005 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qmli80YCgM+yttSU+bLIpM4+f3QXmXKeLg== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail18.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KTSKA4KP; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:33:11 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail18.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:32:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:32:50 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050524.103311.16774.139399@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:3:3148602185 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.158|webmail18.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|ejts@netzero.net Subject: [Oeva-list] Early thoughts for our next meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:35:06 -0000 First, George Tylinski has volunteered to present information on some materials he's started to work with. This will be a short presentation, with some samples to touch, on alternatives for battery boxes, and perhaps other structural uses in EVs, as I understand it. For the full scoop, come to the meeting. Second, I got a call a few days ago from Roderick Wilde who will be organizing the NEDRA drags in Woodburn on Sept. 4, 2005. That will be Sunday of Labor Day weekend. He is counting on OEVA helping at least as much as we did last year. This year I plan on contributing time, but we could use a contact person to interface between OEVA and Roderick. Please consider what you could do to help out, and let the group know at the June 9th meeting, only two weeks from now. To get everyone interested, Roderick said that he has hopes of having both the Maniac Mazda and Gone Postal there running well (both will take a fair amount of effort, but he does have a plan). If it hasn't by then, there's a good chance that Gone Postal will break 100 MPH in the quarter-mile that day. As always, we'll see what happens, but it should be a good show. The more people we can get to man our booth, run inspection and time slips, and handle whatever other duties necessary to run the race, the better it will be for all. Be ready June 9th to let us know if you can help any. We'll get input from Gary and others who helped last year about what all will be involved, and try to get someone working with Roderick soon. Thanks for your attention and all your efforts! See you in a couple weeks. -- Eric Johnson OEVA Co-Chair From ejts@netzero.net Tue May 24 15:40:13 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4OMeBAN030049 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail24.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.164]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBKHMKTAAYWH3A for (sender ); Tue, 24 May 2005 15:39:45 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qu8WGENeDqx54Du6253Duf4pDWSLjKuOng== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail24.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KTS4TADK; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:39:07 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail24.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:38:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:38:25 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050524.153907.679.69275@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 6:3:4153234626 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.164|webmail24.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|ejts@netzero.net Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: OEVA.org: mail from KPOJ X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:40:13 -0000 I recently received this from a local talk radio host. If anyone is up to pursuing this, please do so and let the list here know that contact has been made. If noone else can take this, I may get time to deal with it, but I'd sure like someone else to start the process, at least. Her email address is audrahouston@clearchannel.com. Gary, you're good at this, if you'd like to try. It should at least be a way to get a little more word out about meetings, EV Awareness Day and Woodburn. Again, if anyone can contact her, please let us all know what is happening. And thanks for any and all efforts! -- Eric Johnson OEVA Co-Chair ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Hello, I would love the opportunity to chat with you and explore ways to increase public awareness of what you do and increase attendance at your next event. You can reach me at 503-323-6566 Audra Houston AM 620 KPOJ Portland's Progressive Talk Station From paburkey@juno.com Fri May 27 07:32:55 2005 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4REWrUa062485 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:32:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBKQM52AFEFPNA for (sender ); Fri, 27 May 2005 07:32:24 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBCBUFmIEKPrnsZoxgfWN80giii7XO/bcbA== Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KTZX5LRM; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:32:03 PDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:31:24 -0700 Message-ID: <20050527.073124.3900.13.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_35c5.462b.01a3 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-15,17,20-22,25-26,28-31,32-32767 From: Paul A Burkey X-ContentStamp: 10:5:1749235863 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m11.nyc.untd.com|paburkey@juno.com Subject: [Oeva-list] Next Meeting Thursday June 9th. X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:32:55 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_35c5.462b.01a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit June starts parade session! First the River City Days Parade on Saturday June 18th 2005 11:00 AM in St. Helens, OR. Please contact Mr. Fergus Pilon @ 503-397-2929 for a registration form. Liability insurance is required. Second I received a e-mail from the Hillsboro Rotary Parade Committee! It's hard to believe that it's already time to begin preparations for the Hillsboro Rotary Club's annual 4th of July Parade! They have broken registration into two fee schedules - one for early registrations (received by June 1) and another, slightly higher scale for late registrations (received by June 15). Registrations received after June 15 and walk-up registrations the day of the parade can no longer be accepted. First I need to trailer my Sparrow to the River City Days Parade, because I was out of charge when getting there last year. Anyone else planning to go? Second I need people to commit to the 4th of July parade so I can get the registration in before June 15 with a number of vehicales. We can discuss these parades at the June meeting. Paul Burkey ----__JNP_000_35c5.462b.01a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
June starts parade session! 
 
First the River City Days Parade on Saturday June 18th 2005 11:00= AM=20 in
St. Helens, OR. Please contact Mr. Fergus Pilon @ 503-397-2929
= for a=20 registration form. Liability insurance is required.
 
Second I received a e-mail from the Hillsboro Rotary Parade=20 Committee!
It's hard to believe that it's already time to begin = preparations=20 for the
Hillsboro Rotary Club's annual 4th of July Parade!  They=20 have broken
registration into two fee schedules - one for early registrations (= received=20 by June 1)
and another, slightly higher scale for late registrations (received by= June=20 15). Registrations received after June 15 and walk-up registrations the day= of=20 the parade can
no longer be accepted.
 
First I need to trailer my Sparrow to the River City Days Parade, = because I=20 was out of charge when getting there last year.  Anyone else planning = to=20 go?
 
Second I need people to commit to the 4th of July parade so I can get = the=20 registration in before June 15 with a number of vehicales.
 
We can discuss these parades at the June meeting.
 
Paul Burkey
----__JNP_000_35c5.462b.01a3-- From tony@notebene.net Mon May 30 21:56:44 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4V4uheT097285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 21:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FFB3640FE for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 21:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D48845F31 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 21:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <429BEED2.6050904@notebene.net> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:57:54 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Owner Assistance project X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 04:56:44 -0000 All, For some reason I agreed to try and coordinate the post-purchase part of EV life cycle support from OEVA. go figure. To start with I need to get a feel for who is out there, what they feel comfortable helping/advising with, facilities available, etc. I would appreciate some feed back from the list on these topics. I've done a bit of a brain dump of my comfort level below to spark the thoughts. I am Owner of an commuter EV since 1999 Comfortable with fabrication of small structures and modifications to body work that don't require welding Good at diagnosing wiring faults Good at basic wiring layout Able to teach novices the practical basics of owning a EV, charging, driving, battery management etc Good a coming up with unique solutions to problems using inexpensive parts the owner a good range of tools and a garage with room for working on one vehicle, indoors able to follow instructions well enough to do work I'm *not* comfortable with... like: Auto mechanic stuff, brakes, transmissions, real body work, suspension. Good at organizing things in general the owner of a 6/12 Volt 100amp battery tester and other EV related test gear/rigs. What we need: Auto mechanical skills for those parts of the cars that are *not* EV motive related Electrical skills for diagnosing ground faults (that dang GFI keeps tripping) Body work, paint, etc. Welding Aluminum for battery boxes Other kinds of welding Access special limited need tools, such a engine hoist, crimpers, welding gear, towing, a lift People will to volunteer their time when someone's EV stops going Places to work on EV's Please let me know, what you know and what you can do. Anything you think should be added to the list as well. Once I get some feedback, I'll probably request some kind of web-hosted, "Ask for a house call" type form and a way for folks to say they can help. Other ideas? -- Tony McCormick "Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" see it all at: http://www.notebene.net From rolson@gmail.com Mon May 30 22:42:58 2005 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4V5gvtb005080 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:42:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so1820478rne for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:42:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NU/zI+Cke5n5lScKzr7CHp1kQ2Zq1CIqon1y8itIs0ZJ3NXlmRNof30ZAunNDsVhTojGTMtlJ/hI+BYx4DWmyjBXjM1Kcc8qNobI9l+TJ7aLLAI2hNwRDjkiVO+MG2hhbLfLFm2SxvZxb+6xNlzxjFOx9pR0utZ90Lfl4DIXW5E= Received: by 10.38.74.75 with SMTP id w75mr6678810rna; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.7? ([216.99.213.165]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m35sm68147rnd.2005.05.30.22.36.16; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:36:27 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: [Oeva-list] Mark Mongillo, mail me X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 05:42:58 -0000 Hey Mark, I've got a OEVA site mail for you. Give me a shout so I can forward it on. (If in the case that Mark's not on here, can someone send me his email address? ...Ross... From rolson@gmail.com Mon May 30 22:49:14 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.198]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4V5nDkb006094 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:49:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so2678897nzk for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:49:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=V5H9ltrBnWK4Itzayw2c4yzdRRXgBqz5jRFHP4ydCo6jrZKD0qMByHe3nJWlP5PLTVo/JrM0wgXJc3VWxKo4HlxJ4mhymILSpygCq10WFMNsQMm6kjYrwucLZ6kg/nm3GMBMwJ2goQzoxd5zVn3hQT4aGdismEqqI5agsdw1kys= Received: by 10.36.97.13 with SMTP id u13mr1654641nzb; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.7? ([216.99.213.165]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 6sm2247254nzn.2005.05.30.22.42.27; Mon, 30 May 2005 22:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:42:32 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: [Oeva-list] VW to buy out the Sparrow? X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 05:49:14 -0000 Not really, but imagine if they did! http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/05/05/14/artcars/42.jpg ...Ross... From ejts@netzero.net Tue May 31 11:26:14 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4VIQDkf067370 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail18.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.158]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBK3L95AQG67KJ for (sender ); Tue, 31 May 2005 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25ql3BFAHA/TQ/ax+jyKRTbVq4/SUhzCXXIg== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail18.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KUCN2B3V; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:24:38 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail18.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:23:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:23:36 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050531.112438.16774.222125@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:2030380058 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.158|webmail18.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|ejts@netzero.net Subject: [Oeva-list] Help for a new member X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:26:15 -0000 I'm posting this for Andy McDougall, who doesn't have e-mail. He's the 84-year-old gentleman that's attended the last couple meetings and has been quite enthusiastic. Enough to buy an EV, even. He now has new batteries (and the car). He'd like some help on swapping the Trojans and making sure everything is set up properly. He says he's willing to pay something for the help. His contact info is: Phone: 503-253-3202 Address: 29 NE 160th Ave. Portland, OR 97230 If anyone can help, or has any advice, please contact him directly. Here's a chance to help get another EV back on the road. -- Eric Johnson OEVA Co-Chair From ejts@netzero.net Tue May 31 11:45:00 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4VIixtb071626 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail18.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.158]) by smtpout02.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBK3NEAAUETGYS for (sender ); Tue, 31 May 2005 11:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qg+lwwpySHggjR4E+rhmghu7ZdUoSjIfMQ== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail18.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KUCP4F6U; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:43:16 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail18.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:42:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:42:23 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV Owner Assistance project X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050531.114316.16774.222447@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:3921777498 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.158|webmail18.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|ejts@netzero.net X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:45:00 -0000 I'll add a teeny amount to Tony's database: Eric Johnson Own: '82 Datsun PU, 156V now, bought already converted, but the percentage of time I've had it actually useable isn't a good recommendation (lack of time, money, and space are my excuses). Skills: Mostly electrical, but always have done light maintenance on vehicles, such as brakes, shocks, clutches, u-joints, fluid changes, tune-ups, etc. Light fabricating, excluding welding. Facilities: Not enough to support myself, really. A few tools. I'd like to help, but do need to work around a pretty full schedule. Hopefully, we have a few more useable people to help. -- Eric Johnson From tony@notebene.net Tue May 31 18:34:38 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j511Ybs1081129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1983640B1 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861F7845EB7 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <429D10FF.9080105@notebene.net> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:35:59 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Oeva-list] MegaVolt back on the road X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 01:34:38 -0000 Just an FYI Dan and I just helped a new EV owner (Tim Johnson) get MegaVolt back on the road. He purchased it directly from Volunteers's of America when the EBay auction failed. It's has a couple of issues that need seeing to, but he drove it to work today and said that it's performance is stellar. MegaVolt is a 120V Mitsubishi conversion that is a true parallel hybid with and 8Kw generator under the hood that can be used while driving as a range extender as well as 2 separate chargers 110V 20amp Zivan and a 220V 30amp Zivan... -- Tony McCormick "Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" see it all at: http://www.notebene.net From matwete@comcast.net Tue May 31 22:13:16 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j515DGZR022378 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 22:13:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matwete@comcast.net) Received: from laptop (c-24-22-108-198.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.22.108.198]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20050601050805013004hr98e>; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:08:05 +0000 From: "Myles Twete" To: "'OEVA'" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] MegaVolt back on the road Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 22:07:47 -0700 Message-ID: <003201c56667$da5782c0$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <429D10FF.9080105@notebene.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matwete@comcast.net List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 05:13:16 -0000 Snooze and you lose...I just called VOA this afternoon and heard that the Megavolt was sold...no biggee...good for Tim! And good to see another EV stay local. BTW- my EV (The Reach Of Tide 6HP ETEK electric boat) just got relaunched this past weekend and we had a nice 20-mile all-electric downriver motor tour from Portland to the Columbia River and down to its moorage off Caterpillar Island. I expect to be changing from Lester 36v chargers to my homebuilt chargers using modified Vicor Megapac PFC power supplies packed with 8 adjustable 48v, 150w DC/DC converter modules. I expect around 80% efficiency w/98%+PF and 1200w per Megapac. I may stuff as many as 3 of these, for up to 100amps of shorepower charging at the right docks... -Myles TWete > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org]On > Behalf Of Tony McCormick > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:36 PM > To: OEVA > Subject: [Oeva-list] MegaVolt back on the road > > > Just an FYI > > Dan and I just helped a new EV owner (Tim Johnson) get > MegaVolt back on > the road. He purchased it directly from Volunteers's of America when > the EBay auction failed. It's has a couple of issues that > need seeing > to, but he drove it to work today and said that it's > performance is stellar. > > MegaVolt is a 120V Mitsubishi conversion that is a true > parallel hybid > with and 8Kw generator under the hood that can be used while > driving as > a range extender as well as 2 separate chargers 110V 20amp > Zivan and a > 220V 30amp Zivan... > > -- > Tony McCormick > "Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" > see it all at: http://www.notebene.net > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From ejts@netzero.net Wed Jun 1 14:14:03 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j51LE2je032571 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail24.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.164]) by smtpout02.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBK6KJFABH4AT2 for (sender ); Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:13:41 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qsQXBHPs9YmwIqf/A6M52YJ9E+L93kugnA== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail24.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KUFJ3QVK; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:13:13 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail24.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:12:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:12:44 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050601.141313.679.165246@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1151112123 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.164|webmail24.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|ejts@netzero.net Subject: [Oeva-list] List-posting appropriateness question X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:14:03 -0000 I've been asked by someone out-of-town that reads our list if we could mention the fact that support and maintenance wervices are available. One of our local cars has recently made use of said services, and I think it would be a good thing to put contact info on the list. I think that any information along those lines, such as businesses that will work on EVs, is appropriate to the list. However, we may need to be careful about anything that looks commercial, what with being non-profit and all. Does anyone know for sure where we stand? Yay or nay? My personal take is that we should allow information, not advertising, both on the list and links on the web site. Specifics about what is available and contact information, for sure. Possibly also rates, where that is appropriate, perhaps including "specials." This particular individual has much experience in "normal" auto mechanics, in addition to EVs. From my personal experience, I can recommend him. That's not the issue here, but is something like this that is really commercial appropriate for this list? Let me know. -- Eric Johnson OEVA Co-Chair (who you'd think should know) From tony@notebene.net Wed Jun 1 23:33:06 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j526X533053684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 23:33:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAF83640B0; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 23:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F17C845EB7; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 23:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <429EA868.2040603@notebene.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:34:16 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] List-posting appropriateness question References: <20050601.141313.679.165246@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20050601.141313.679.165246@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Eric Johnson " X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:33:06 -0000 As the person who is trying to gather local resources to support EV ownership, I think allowing folks to post that they have services are part available is a good thing. Tony McCormick "Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" see it all at: http://www.notebene.net Eric Johnson wrote: >I've been asked by someone out-of-town that reads our list if we could mention the fact that support and maintenance wervices are available. One of our local cars has recently made use of said services, and I think it would be a good thing to put contact info on the list. I think that any information along those lines, such as businesses that will work on EVs, is appropriate to the list. > >However, we may need to be careful about anything that looks commercial, what with being non-profit and all. > >Does anyone know for sure where we stand? Yay or nay? > >My personal take is that we should allow information, not advertising, both on the list and links on the web site. Specifics about what is available and contact information, for sure. Possibly also rates, where that is appropriate, perhaps including "specials." > >This particular individual has much experience in "normal" auto mechanics, in addition to EVs. From my personal experience, I can recommend him. That's not the issue here, but is something like this that is really commercial appropriate for this list? > >Let me know. >-- >Eric Johnson >OEVA Co-Chair (who you'd think should know) > >_______________________________________________ >Oeva-list mailing list >Oeva-list@oeva.org >http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > From rolson@gmail.com Thu Jun 2 00:46:52 2005 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j527kp6C066063 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:46:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolson@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so229209nzn for ; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:46:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:x-image-url:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lznApvQdLB0gs8UY3dv3xBt7aarpHNdvcwXIBD4TxAHiiPp6FlIqk6DAorwYRP6CMs5JflojhQ5eoIRWy2iKyr9YybWtWU4zqvTkP4RbEt9kUuRL/VuqCqBF/G3AFnw8bLm35+qvfLSgdaUtidr7Y/70Fy9VS0SUd6JHZXK2Sjs= Received: by 10.36.178.14 with SMTP id a14mr384855nzf; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.122? ([216.99.213.165]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 34sm450671nza.2005.06.02.00.46.45; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:46:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <429EA868.2040603@notebene.net> References: <20050601.141313.679.165246@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> <429EA868.2040603@notebene.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <75DD4002-D33A-11D9-93CB-00039344DDD6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.bad-seed.org/ross_olson.jpg From: R Olson Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] List-posting appropriateness question Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:46:42 -0700 To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:46:52 -0000 I think Eric is worried about "commercial speech" on the mailing list. I don't think there's any need to worry about posting about actual paid services or even parts dealers. If things become too commercial, I'm sure someone will pop up and note this as such... :) I agree with Tony. ...Ross... On Jun 1, 2005, at 11:34 PM, Tony McCormick wrote: > As the person who is trying to gather local resources to support EV > ownership, I think allowing folks to post that they have services are > part available is a good thing. > > Tony McCormick > "Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" > see it all at: http://www.notebene.net > > > Eric Johnson wrote: > >> I've been asked by someone out-of-town that reads our list if we >> could mention the fact that support and maintenance wervices are >> available. One of our local cars has recently made use of said >> services, and I think it would be a good thing to put contact info on >> the list. I think that any information along those lines, such as >> businesses that will work on EVs, is appropriate to the list. >> >> However, we may need to be careful about anything that looks >> commercial, what with being non-profit and all. >> >> Does anyone know for sure where we stand? Yay or nay? >> >> My personal take is that we should allow information, not >> advertising, both on the list and links on the web site. Specifics >> about what is available and contact information, for sure. Possibly >> also rates, where that is appropriate, perhaps including "specials." >> >> This particular individual has much experience in "normal" auto >> mechanics, in addition to EVs. From my personal experience, I can >> recommend him. That's not the issue here, but is something like this >> that is really commercial appropriate for this list? >> >> Let me know. >> -- >> Eric Johnson >> OEVA Co-Chair (who you'd think should know) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From rmerwin@aracnet.com Thu Jun 2 06:14:17 2005 Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (IDENT:/NBD4N2bmCKqFiZ37y8mo35LiOzTNatx@onyx.spiritone.com [216.99.193.114]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j52DEBSV026574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmerwin@aracnet.com) Received: from onyx.spiritone.com (onyx.spiritone.com [127.0.0.1]) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j52DE3DJ002718; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:14:03 -0700 Received: (from rmerwin@localhost) by onyx.spiritone.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id j52DE3mG002716; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:14:03 -0700 From: Ralph Merwin Message-Id: <200506021314.j52DE3mG002716@onyx.spiritone.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] List-posting appropriateness question To: ejts@comcast.net (Eric Johnson ) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:14:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20050601.141313.679.165246@webmail24.nyc.untd.com> from "Eric Johnson " at Jun 01, 2005 09:12:44 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:14:19 -0000 Eric Johnson writes: > > I've been asked by someone out-of-town that reads our list if we could > mention the fact that support and maintenance wervices are available. While it would technically be a commercial posting, I think we should allow 'services available' postings. We might want to have some sort of maximum posting frequency guideline, but I suspect it won't be a problem. We should also have a section on our web page to list these shops, as well as parts shops, etc. Ralph From tony@notebene.net Thu Jun 2 18:27:47 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j531Rgeq099010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:27:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B145F3640B2; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39610845EB7; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <429FB24C.6050605@notebene.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:28:44 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roylemeur@hotmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: rolson@gmail.com, OEVA Subject: [Oeva-list] Services for EVs... the good kind X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 01:27:47 -0000 Roy, I hear you have some service that can be provided for EVer's here I-5 WA/OR corridor? If so we (the OEVA) all agree that it would be great for you to post information about that occassionally to the list and if you have some info you would like on our website I think Ross could help you there as well. I have copied him (and the list) on this "official" pronouncement... :-) -- Tony McCormick "Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" see it all at: http://www.notebene.net From paburkey@juno.com Fri Jun 3 08:09:57 2005 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (m11.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.74]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j53F9u3K058314 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paburkey@juno.com) Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBLA6X4AT8KKH2 for (sender ); Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:09:46 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: rW9J+Y5j74PRfsxIfzBHBByNIW08wOc/o3xM0FKzsxBkO63Ov/mlDA== Received: (from paburkey@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KUK22MXH; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 08:09:12 PDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:07:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20050603.080753.3900.28.paburkey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_3676.3f3d.6694 From: Paul A Burkey X-ContentStamp: 7:3:1295317731 X-MAIL-INFO: 462d2171690d21694d4d2181b1a9c4e059c011e0e0e4c97480adc005d9d97569e961d975d979e52d61 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m11.nyc.untd.com|paburkey@juno.com Subject: [Oeva-list] Speaker for July. X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:09:57 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_3676.3f3d.6694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have someone to speak at our July meeting. The e-mail that I received is below. Paul Thank you for the last meeting. That was the first time I've been to one of your meeting. Just wanted to know if, at some point, you need a key note speaker for a club meeting? We are the folks who had that regen braking to household power system that adapts to standard vehicles which could be an interum partial fix to the gas vehicle situation. I have a small informational website, still under development but it might give you an idea of what we are working on at: www.srdesignconsulting.com Please let me know when you could use another excellent speaker. Thank you. Sincerely, Stephen Rosenstock SR Design Consulting Inc 503-318-1582 www.srdesignconsulting.com ----__JNP_000_3676.3f3d.6694 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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= to one=20 of your meeting. Just wanted to know if, at some point, you need a
key = note=20 speaker for a club meeting? We are the folks who had that
regen braking = to=20 household power system that adapts to standard
vehicles which could be = an=20 interum partial fix to the gas vehicle
situation. I have a small=20 informational website, still under
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at:
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Sincerely,

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SR Design Consulting=20 Inc
503-318-1582
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----__JNP_000_3676.3f3d.6694-- From ejts@netzero.net Fri Jun 3 08:51:35 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j53FpZGq067651 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from webmail35.nyc.untd.com (webmail35.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.175]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBLA9CNAFHK4JS for (sender ); Fri, 3 Jun 2005 08:50:36 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qggAOPeG7T3zIDY5+h0VmPGTKl3ndz8cow== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail35.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KUK5DLJJ; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 08:50:08 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail35.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:49:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:49:49 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Speaker for July. X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050603.085008.4900.265241@webmail35.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:3060136544 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.175|webmail35.nyc.untd.com|webmail35.nyc.untd.com|ejts@netzero.net X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:51:36 -0000 Thanks Paul, That looks good to me. Not 100% on-topic, but close enough, and something that may be interesting. Unless we hear differently, we'll count on his presentation. -- Eric Johnson OEVA Co-Chair ------------Original Message------------ Hi, I have someone to speak at our July meeting. The e-mail that I received is below. Paul From tony@notebene.net Sun Jun 5 13:53:04 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j55Kr3ia096862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA9136403F; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265C5845EB7; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42A36663.9040107@notebene.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:53:55 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark-oeva@bad-seed.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: OEVA Subject: [Oeva-list] EV tools X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:53:04 -0000 Mark, I have a battery tester that people can use anytime. I also have several of the standard EV building books that I would be willing to donate to the club as loaners. -- Tony McCormick "Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" see it all at: http://www.notebene.net From bryan@photonlight.com Sun Jun 5 13:58:18 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j55KwIFD098089 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:58:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryan@photonlight.com) Received: from officedesktop (c-67-164-61-203.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.164.61.203]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050605204836014003k9tqe>; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:48:36 +0000 From: "Bryan Avery" To: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:48:36 -0700 Organization: PhotonLight.com, Inc. Message-ID: <006001c56a0f$f1d551b0$0201a8c0@officedesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0061_01C569D5.457679B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: [Oeva-list] source for old/used batts for temporary pack X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:58:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C569D5.457679B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With no resolution in site for the replacement of the bad 90Ah Thunder = Sky cells, I'm thinking I would like to put together a small pack of lead = acid batts so I can at least get the Accord on the road and get *some* use = out of it. I figure I'll probably only be able to fit 600-800 lbs. of lead in = max, without upgrading the suspension (which I'd rather not do for a = "temporary" pack). Anyway, I'm looking for tips, suggestions, etc., for where to = check to find a source for some cheap used batteries. I'd rather not put a = bunch of money into buying new batteries that I will hopefully (keeping = fingers crossed although the outlook is not looking good) be replacing soon. Obviously I would like to get as much range as possible, but I'm not expecting too much from that small a pile of lead. Even if I could only = get 10-15 miles per charge, that would be enough for most of my daily = driving. =20 As it is, I've put about 20 all-electric miles on the car with those = crappy TS cells (just short test drives down the street and around the neighborhood). That's just enough to whet my appetite, but I want MORE! :-) After 3 years in progress, I would really like to get the car driveable on a regular basis. =20 -Bryan ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C569D5.457679B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

With no resolution in site for the replacement of the = bad 90Ah Thunder Sky cells, I’m thinking I would like to put together = a small pack of lead acid batts so I can at least get the Accord on the road and = get *some* use out of it.  I = figure I’ll probably only be able to fit 600-800 lbs. of lead in max, without = upgrading the suspension (which I’d rather not do for a “temporary” = pack).  Anyway, I’m looking for tips, suggestions, etc., for where to = check to find a source for some cheap used batteries.  I’d rather not = put a bunch of money into buying new batteries that I will hopefully (keeping = fingers crossed although the outlook is not looking good) be replacing = soon.  Obviously I would like to get as much range as possible, but I’m not = expecting too much from that small a pile of lead.  Even if I could only get = 10-15 miles per charge, that would be enough for most of my daily = driving.

 

As it is, I’ve put about 20 all-electric miles = on the car with those crappy TS cells (just short test drives down the street = and around the neighborhood).  That’s just enough to whet my = appetite, but I want MORE!  J   After 3 years in progress, I would really like to get the car driveable on a = regular basis.

 

-Bryan

------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C569D5.457679B0-- From matwete@comcast.net Sun Jun 5 15:13:39 2005 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j55MDdUR012803 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matwete@comcast.net) Received: from laptop (c-24-22-108-198.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.22.108.198]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050605220826012000vh7ke>; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 22:08:27 +0000 From: "Myles Twete" To: "'Tony McCormick'" , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] EV tools Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:07:55 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c56a1b$06ff40e0$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <42A36663.9040107@notebene.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Cc: 'OEVA' X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matwete@comcast.net List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:13:40 -0000 And I've still got the Omega variable load box which Gary Graunke donated to the club. It's useful for checking out power supplies, chargers, DC/DC converters... I've been building my own high efficiency 36v battery charger using Vicor PFC MegaPAC racks stuffed with 8 48v 150w modules each. So far I've got one MegaPac with 7 modules in it which I've confirmed can dump 27amps into my pack. Eventually I'll have 3 Megapac's able to put our over 30amps each. The Omega load unit has been extremely useful for this work. I don't know what the maximum loading that the Omega unit can provide. I have confirmed up to 23amps or so, but as I recall, adding a 7th Vicor module to my power supply didn't show an increased capability for the current except on odd initializations of both the load and the power supply, and then it was fleeting. So I think the Omega doesn't like much more than 20amps load---unsure what voltage....also, we don't have specs for this do we ? -Myles TWete, SE Portland From gary.graunke@intel.com Mon Jun 6 08:40:09 2005 Received: from orsfmr005.jf.intel.com (fmr20.intel.com [134.134.136.19]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j56Fe9gM026708 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:40:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary.graunke@intel.com) Received: from orsfmr101.jf.intel.com (orsfmr101.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.17]) by orsfmr005.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id j56FdvGO029305; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:39:57 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.54]) by orsfmr101.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id j56FdAU5001747; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:39:46 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.7.47) with SMTP id M2005060608393819062 ; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:39:41 -0700 Received: from orsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.44]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:39:37 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] EV tools Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:39:36 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Oeva-list] EV tools Thread-Index: AcVqG+pvQ6+z6ANdT3+DrnCkkMB5HAAkbpOw From: "Graunke, Gary" To: , "Tony McCormick" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2005 15:39:37.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[F22C8EA0:01C56AAD] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j56Fe9gM026708 Cc: OEVA X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:40:10 -0000 I don't have specs on the Omega (an ebay acquisition). I *do* have other electronic loads with specs and manual that can probably handle higher loads if someone needs to borrow them. Usually the ratings are in watts, with current and voltage limits. But watts is usually the constraining rating. Gary -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Myles Twete Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 3:08 PM To: 'Tony McCormick'; mark-oeva@bad-seed.org Cc: 'OEVA' Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] EV tools And I've still got the Omega variable load box which Gary Graunke donated to the club. It's useful for checking out power supplies, chargers, DC/DC converters... I've been building my own high efficiency 36v battery charger using Vicor PFC MegaPAC racks stuffed with 8 48v 150w modules each. So far I've got one MegaPac with 7 modules in it which I've confirmed can dump 27amps into my pack. Eventually I'll have 3 Megapac's able to put our over 30amps each. The Omega load unit has been extremely useful for this work. I don't know what the maximum loading that the Omega unit can provide. I have confirmed up to 23amps or so, but as I recall, adding a 7th Vicor module to my power supply didn't show an increased capability for the current except on odd initializations of both the load and the power supply, and then it was fleeting. So I think the Omega doesn't like much more than 20amps load---unsure what voltage....also, we don't have specs for this do we ? -Myles TWete, SE Portland _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list@oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From ejts@netzero.net Mon Jun 6 11:24:26 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j56IOPJu070860 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail12.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.152]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBLKFF8AK8MLES for (sender ); Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:23:58 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qo+qrfd0bGsZZXx+HcxR6LCJbOVuIETnag== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KUT5B76Y; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 11:23:18 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail12.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:22:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:22:14 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050606.112318.26979.297574@webmail12.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:4223855733 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.152|webmail12.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|ejts@netzero.net Subject: [Oeva-list] June 9 OEVA meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:24:26 -0000 It's time again for our monthly meeting. Thursday, June 9, 2005. All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting starts at 7:30PM. 2 World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. We'll be treated to a short presentation by George Tylinski about some alternative materials he's been working with. There'll be samples to check out. EV Awareness Day is getting closer, but we have other parades and such coming up first. Not to mention the NEDRA Nationals at Woodburn in September. All of these need to be discussed. If you can possibly, please be ready to let us know what you can do at Woodburn. There should be plenty to discuss about support for EV owners, too. We do have an open request for assistance installing a replacement battery pack that is available for a volunteer. Please feel free to bring both information and questions (and ehicles!). See you there! 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From andreosae@yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 13:48:44 2005 Received: from web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.140]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j57KmiQL058755 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:48:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreosae@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37250 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2005 20:41:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c4hN6kdJ2KN4MGGFlOZugqsgQfScG+jWAKYiZSc/btFLNeuxEY/iIL+PkJjuXjVeC1iNjxtb3DH7AZbg5Eao5eYPUDElichiU358ETbL5UDVmVKIFAvc+lkOqNjtZiGMOtGMAtwJy+E4rKEmAj3DilYyoro92NvVBVnLe5f9TRw= ; Message-ID: <20050607204158.37248.qmail@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.220.138.196] by web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:41:58 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Susanto To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] New to EVs X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: andres@email.sae.org List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:48:45 -0000 Hello all, I am new to EVs/EV conversions and I am most interested in EV conversions. I'm looking to convert a Subaru Brat to an in town commuter (no more than 55mph max, I'll be happy with 40mph). >From what little I know, here's my plan: - low voltage motor (48-72V?) - 6 volt batteries - no regen (is it that much more expensive?) Any info would be appreciated. Thank you, Andre S Andre Susanto http://www.vikingracing.net/andre andres(AT)email(DOT)sae(DOT)org __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html From csbrune_ev@comcast.net Tue Jun 7 21:37:39 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j584bdFM075887 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csbrune_ev@comcast.net) Received: from Cbrune (c-24-21-180-36.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.180.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005060804322601400jhovce>; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 04:32:27 +0000 Message-ID: <00b001c56be3$1331dbb0$6600a8c0@corp.surepower.com> From: "Chris Brune" To: , References: <20050607204158.37248.qmail@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] New to EVs Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:32:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:37:39 -0000 Hi Andre, Any idea how heavy the Brat is? Unless it is really light you'll probably be very dissappointed with the performance even at 72V. For example, the GEM car which is an neighborhood electric vehicle is a 72V vehicle. People that have changed the gearing/tires/motor/controller programming have managed to get it up to about 45mph best case. This is for a vehicle that weighs about 1200 lbs I believe. On the otherhand a 72V system is much cheaper than going higher than that. Some recommended parts: Alltrax motor controller Delta Q battery charger (used on GEM) I wouldn't do regen, not worth the hassle. Unless you go with a shunt system (like used on the GEM) then you are sort of getting it for free. Shunt systems though are not as commonly available as a series DC motor. 6V batteries are an OK solution if your goal is cheap and longer range. But you won't be able to get much current out of them. But they would match well with kinds of controllers that Alltrax sells. Others may chime in with a different opinion. My 2 cents. Chris Brune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Susanto" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] New to EVs > Hello all, > > I am new to EVs/EV conversions and I am most > interested in EV conversions. I'm looking to convert > a Subaru Brat to an in town commuter (no more than > 55mph max, I'll be happy with 40mph). > > >From what little I know, here's my plan: > - low voltage motor (48-72V?) > - 6 volt batteries > - no regen (is it that much more expensive?) > > Any info would be appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Andre S > > Andre Susanto > http://www.vikingracing.net/andre > andres(AT)email(DOT)sae(DOT)org > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From tony@notebene.net Tue Jun 7 22:26:16 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j585QFae086218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:26:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C6B36403F; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525EF845EB7; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42A681C7.5010106@notebene.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:27:35 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Brune Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV Owner Assistance project References: <429BEED2.6050904@notebene.net> <00d701c56be3$c9defeb0$6600a8c0@corp.surepower.com> In-Reply-To: <00d701c56be3$c9defeb0$6600a8c0@corp.surepower.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060909030703060401000904" Cc: OEVA X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:26:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060909030703060401000904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Thanks, I am in the gather info stages. So far I have formally received response from me, you and Eric... I was hoping for a bit more. I may expand my search outside of the OEVA email list.... I'm going to try and make it to the meeting Thurs, but I may have and overriding conflict.... Tony McCormick "Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" see it all at: http://www.notebene.net Chris Brune wrote: >Hi Tony, >How's it going? >I thought I would respond to this request for info. >I certainly have access to just about any electrical equipment you need to >work on an EV. >I am willing to help anyone who needs assistance with wiring or hooking up >controllers or the like. > >Not sure what else you're looking for, but I like the direction this whole >thread is going. I'd like to see the group do more to help people get >conversions going. > >Thanks, >Chris Brune > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony McCormick" >To: "OEVA" >Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 9:57 PM >Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Owner Assistance project > > > > >>All, >> For some reason I agreed to try and coordinate the post-purchase >>part of EV life cycle support from OEVA. go figure. To start with I >>need to get a feel for who is out there, what they feel comfortable >>helping/advising with, facilities available, etc. I would appreciate >>some feed back from the list on these topics. I've done a bit of a >>brain dump of my comfort level below to spark the thoughts. >> >>I am >> Owner of an commuter EV since 1999 >> Comfortable with fabrication of small structures and modifications >>to body work that don't require welding >> Good at diagnosing wiring faults >> Good at basic wiring layout >> Able to teach novices the practical basics of owning a EV, charging, >>driving, battery management etc >> Good a coming up with unique solutions to problems using inexpensive >>parts >> the owner a good range of tools and a garage with room for working >>on one vehicle, indoors >> able to follow instructions well enough to do work I'm *not* >>comfortable with... like: >> Auto mechanic stuff, brakes, transmissions, real body work, >>suspension. >> Good at organizing things in general >> the owner of a 6/12 Volt 100amp battery tester and other EV related >>test gear/rigs. >> >>What we need: >> Auto mechanical skills for those parts of the cars that are *not* EV >>motive related >> Electrical skills for diagnosing ground faults (that dang GFI keeps >>tripping) >> Body work, paint, etc. >> Welding Aluminum for battery boxes >> Other kinds of welding >> Access special limited need tools, such a engine hoist, crimpers, >>welding gear, towing, a lift >> People will to volunteer their time when someone's EV stops going >> Places to work on EV's >> >>Please let me know, what you know and what you can do. Anything you >>think should be added to the list as well. >> >>Once I get some feedback, I'll probably request some kind of web-hosted, >>"Ask for a house call" type form and a way for folks to say they can help. >> >>Other ideas? >> >>-- >>Tony McCormick >>"Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" >>see it all at: http://www.notebene.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Oeva-list mailing list >>Oeva-list@oeva.org >>http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> > > > > > --------------060909030703060401000904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris,
 Thanks,  I am in the gather info stages.   So far I have formally received response from me, you and Eric...  I was hoping for a bit more.  I may expand my search outside of the OEVA email list....   I'm going to try and make it to the meeting Thurs, but I may have and overriding conflict....
Tony McCormick
"Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword"
see it all at: http://www.notebene.net


Chris Brune wrote: 
Hi Tony,
How's it going?
I thought I would respond to this request for info.
I certainly have access to just about any electrical equipment you need to
work on an EV.
I am willing to help anyone who needs assistance with wiring or hooking up
controllers or the like.

Not sure what else you're looking for, but I like the direction this whole
thread is going.  I'd like to see the group do more to help people get
conversions going.

Thanks,
Chris Brune


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony McCormick" <tony@notebene.net>
To: "OEVA" <oeva-list@oeva.org>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 9:57 PM
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Owner Assistance project


  
All,
    For some reason I agreed to try and coordinate the post-purchase
part of EV life cycle support from OEVA.  go figure.   To start with I
need to get a feel for who is out there, what they feel comfortable
helping/advising with, facilities available, etc.   I would appreciate
some feed back from the list on these topics.   I've done a bit of a
brain dump of my comfort level below to spark the thoughts.

I am
    Owner of an commuter EV since 1999
    Comfortable with fabrication of small structures and modifications
to body work that don't require welding
    Good at diagnosing wiring faults
    Good at basic wiring layout
    Able to teach novices the practical basics of owning a EV, charging,
driving, battery management etc
    Good a coming up with unique solutions to problems using inexpensive
parts
    the owner a good range of tools and a garage with room for working
on one vehicle, indoors
    able to follow instructions well enough to do work I'm *not*
comfortable with... like:
          Auto mechanic stuff, brakes, transmissions, real body work,
suspension.
    Good at organizing things in general
    the owner of a 6/12 Volt 100amp battery tester and other EV related
test gear/rigs.

What we need:
    Auto mechanical skills for those parts of the cars that are *not* EV
motive related
    Electrical skills for diagnosing ground faults (that dang GFI keeps
tripping)
    Body work, paint, etc.
    Welding Aluminum for battery boxes
    Other kinds of welding
    Access special limited need tools, such a engine hoist, crimpers,
welding gear, towing, a lift
    People will to volunteer their time when someone's EV stops going
    Places to work on EV's

Please let me know, what you know and what you can do.  Anything you
think should be added to the list as well.

Once I get some feedback, I'll probably request some kind of web-hosted,
"Ask for a house call" type form and a way for folks to say they can help.

Other ideas?

-- 
Tony McCormick
"Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword"
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--------------060909030703060401000904-- From roylemeur@hotmail.com Wed Jun 8 12:00:43 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-f26.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.36]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j58J0gtq064676 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:00:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roylemeur@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:00:34 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.56.200 by by101fd.bay101.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:00:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Originating-Email: [roylemeur@hotmail.com] X-Sender: roylemeur@hotmail.com From: "Roy LeMeur" To: oeva-list@oeva.org Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:00:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2005 19:00:34.0991 (UTC) FILETIME=[59D5EBF0:01C56C5C] Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Services Available X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:00:43 -0000 To all OEVA members... After asking Eric Johnson off-list if this would be OK, I thought I would offer my services to OEVA folks needing help with their EVs. I have more than 20 yrs. experience as a vehicle/vessel mechanic before becoming involved in the EV industry. I think I can safely say that the following folks would provide a good reference- John Wayland, Roderick Wilde, Rich Rudman, and Don (Father Time) Crabtree, in addition to all the folks whose EVs I have worked on. Most recently a certain red 1981 Fiat Spider ragtop which can be seen driving around the Portland area on a regular basis. I really like doing custom installations and modifications but I am also happy to help deal with regular car issues as part of offered services. Depending on the job, I can travel, or the vehicle can come to me for larger projects (Olympia). My current employer (Cloud EV) has decided not to take on any more in-house conversions so I am also offering that service. Please check out some of my past projects here- http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html Last year, I spent a good deal of time helping out Roderick with Gone Postal. Photo gallery here- http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm I guess this makes me part of the EV Owner Assistance Project :^D Please contact me by email with any inquiries. roylemeur at hotmail dot com Thanks! Roy . Roy LeMeur cloudevtech@msn.com http://www.cloudelectric.com http://www.dcelectricsupply.com Cloud Electric Vehicles 19428 66th Ave So, Q-101 Kent, Washington 98032 phone: 425-251-6380 fax: 425-251-6381 Toll Free: 800-648-7716 My Electric Vehicle Pages: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html Informative Electric Vehicle Links: http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm From andreosae@yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 14:53:04 2005 Received: from web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.140]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j58Lr3UH010616 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:53:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreosae@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71639 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2005 21:52:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FX9YpbD4z9pfUdnRmIHPQdx2gY4Q77dozXzeDsHIzK9tG52kk1EUr9sl2uYg4RBM5nroECu1r2+ZbCNOyjhwpJSKDWC5qcT71dOPOuXl+6gQd1meiM+v9d2xfbRO/2RiIcqe4QEJNcjj8E6a2PNcb30gR5LJTAmKJw0BxdKTBhE= ; Message-ID: <20050608215257.71637.qmail@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.220.138.196] by web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:52:57 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:52:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Andre Susanto Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] New to EVs To: oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: <00b001c56be3$1331dbb0$6600a8c0@corp.surepower.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: andres@email.sae.org List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:53:05 -0000 The brat is around 2200lb curb weight. We're looking to make an urban commuter where the user is in a small town, the long end of the town is 3 miles and speed limit is 35mph max. There is a small stretch of highway the user will need to drive to get to work, but can be avoided via back roads. So if I reduce the top speed to say 35-40mph, would 72V be a decent performer? The goal for the vehicle is for range, with decent performance (say like a Geo Metro). The Brat was selected because he does carry some dirty tools he'd like to throw in the back. Cost is another concern and I'll definitely be looking into the parts and resources you guys have given me. Thank you, and please keep the suggestions in. Andre S Andre Susanto http://www.vikingracing.net/andre andres(AT)email(DOT)sae(DOT)org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tony@notebene.net Wed Jun 8 23:03:04 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j59633ux015539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F9A3640B0; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BBD845EB7; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42A7DBE3.9040204@notebene.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:04:19 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV Services Available References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 06:03:04 -0000 Yea! your services will be a most welcome addition to the "project" :-) Tony McCormick "Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" see it all at: http://www.notebene.net Roy LeMeur wrote: > To all OEVA members... > > After asking Eric Johnson off-list if this would be OK, I thought I > would offer my services to OEVA folks needing help with their EVs. > > I have more than 20 yrs. experience as a vehicle/vessel mechanic > before becoming involved in the EV industry. > > I think I can safely say that the following folks would provide a good > reference- > John Wayland, Roderick Wilde, Rich Rudman, and Don (Father Time) > Crabtree, in addition to all the folks whose EVs I have worked on. > Most recently a certain red 1981 Fiat Spider ragtop which can be seen > driving around the Portland area on a regular basis. > > I really like doing custom installations and modifications but I am > also happy to help deal with regular car issues as part of offered > services. > > Depending on the job, I can travel, or the vehicle can come to me for > larger projects (Olympia). > > My current employer (Cloud EV) has decided not to take on any more > in-house conversions so I am also offering that service. > > Please check out some of my past projects here- > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html > > Last year, I spent a good deal of time helping out Roderick with Gone > Postal. > Photo gallery here- > http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm > > I guess this makes me part of the EV Owner Assistance Project :^D > > Please contact me by email with any inquiries. > roylemeur at hotmail dot com > > Thanks! > > Roy > > > . > > > > > Roy LeMeur > cloudevtech@msn.com > http://www.cloudelectric.com > http://www.dcelectricsupply.com > > Cloud Electric Vehicles > 19428 66th Ave So, Q-101 > Kent, Washington 98032 > > phone: 425-251-6380 > fax: 425-251-6381 > Toll Free: 800-648-7716 > > > > > My Electric Vehicle Pages: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html > > Informative Electric Vehicle Links: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html > > EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries: > http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > From ejts@netzero.net Thu Jun 9 09:59:19 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j59GxI4q060079 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:59:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from webmail35.nyc.untd.com (webmail35.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.175]) by smtpout02.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBLS7KKAFCB5JS for (sender ); Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:58:17 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25quC0lMOkrRDfDphZyIJRb2fFzZBCdamy8w== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail35.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KU3PMTFS; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 09:57:48 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail35.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:57:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 16:57:04 GMT To: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050609.095748.23303.28145@webmail35.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:3:3973471081 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.175|webmail35.nyc.untd.com|webmail35.nyc.untd.com|ejts@netzero.net Subject: [Oeva-list] Might not make today's meeting X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:59:19 -0000 But, then again, I just might. Duty called, but may be rescheduled. Just be ready to carry on without me. The "normal" meeting room should be available (not just the hallway). Carrie at WTC said that they shouldn't have done that without letting her know well in advance so she could notify us. If I don't make it and they pull something like that, let me know. We already are confirmed for next months meeting and I've started the process to reserve the space through November, but not December per our normal practice). If we want December, I can most likely get it, just let me know. Don't be too surprised if I manage to get there tonight, though. And be nice to George! -- Eric Johnson OEVA Co-Chair From ejts@netzero.net Thu Jun 9 10:34:59 2005 Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j59HYwFf069785 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:34:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejts@netzero.net) Received: from outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com (webmail18.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.158]) by smtpout05.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBLS9PAAR78XJS for (sender ); Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:34:24 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: pZ36IVJNNEwYJ9KUoM25qppePsZ7nxmo8dXvTG2NyjjqNrUcUmxxpw== Received: (from ejts@netzero.net) by webmail18.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KU3RN9MQ; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:33:32 PDT Received: from [66.236.16.4] by webmail18.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:33:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.236.16.4] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Eric Johnson " X-UOL-SENDER: ejts@netzero.net Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 17:33:11 GMT To: CReed@omsi.edu, oeva-list@oeva.org, SAnderson@omsi.edu, SHassett@omsi.edu, SWu@omsi.edu X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20050609.103332.5249.29202@webmail18.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3114015071 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.158|webmail18.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|ejts@netzero.net Cc: Subject: [Oeva-list] Please ignore my earlier e-mail, I'll be on my normal routine today af ter all X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:35:00 -0000 After I'd let you all know about it, my client called back and let me off the hook. So, I'll see you all per my normal Thursday OMSI/OEVA schedule after all. Sorry, and thanks for putting up with all this traffic. (Unless something comes up later . . .) -- Eric From acid_lead@yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 10:37:34 2005 Received: from web14828.mail.yahoo.com (web14828.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.230]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j59HbYfD070627 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acid_lead@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15959 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2005 17:37:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MRMzHGIZqPv9qQbxO03FzMM7BXFbCmawZBoEHYHcqgrTkxM98RiWuB4f8LCXfpumqV0PiJZDrFVdPg4LLx1nn4c61jVzsz6B5KDtAjJ1467V57xOQcz+cPC/idZdO8Ya3EcX5cJAfvPgQY9UxIMGj8yGFCYuqitzSXhMA+tTtUY= ; Message-ID: <20050609173729.15957.qmail@web14828.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.21.208.189] by web14828.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:37:29 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:37:29 -0700 (PDT) From: George Tylinski Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Re: Businesses Supporting EVs To: oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: <19b.340d704b.2fba7501@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:37:35 -0000 If we had a budget, I would suggest 2 things: 1. Tools and test equipment that can't be justified by an individual. I gather that Mark M has done something in this regard? 2. Vehicle transport expenses such as hauling an EV purchased out of town, getting to/from Woodburn an other EVents, dragging a conversion in progress to/from shops for welding, bodywork, etc. If we had a few milion$, I'd love to see an EV history museum right here in Portland... [snip] > > What would we do if we had a budget? Conversion workshops? a > better > display for events? greater resources for members? > > > ...Ross... George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) 73 MG Midget / Portland, OR __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From Theoldcars@aol.com Thu Jun 9 11:39:10 2005 Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j59Id9Dv086802 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:39:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.204.3557d33 (2519) for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <204.3557d33.2fd9e6bf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:38:55 EDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1118342335" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:39:10 -0000 -------------------------------1118342335 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Bryan What voltage is your system? I don't know about any used batteries but I have found Panasonic 12 volt AGM 28 Ah batteries new for around 45 dollars plus shipping. There number is LC X1228 they weigh 23 pounds each. Panasonic also has other Ah AGM batteries. The price can be even lower with a larger order. I am thinking about getting some more. Don In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:03:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: With no resolution in site for the replacement of the bad 90Ah Thunder Sky cells, I'm thinking I would like to put together a small pack of lead acid batts so I can at least get the Accord on the road and get *some* use out of it. I figure I'll probably only be able to fit 600-800 lbs. of lead in max, without upgrading the suspension (which I'd rather not do for a "temporary" pack). Anyway, I'm looking for tips, suggestions, etc., for where to check to find a source for some cheap used batteries. 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-------------------------------1118342335-- From csbrune_ev@comcast.net Thu Jun 9 21:11:37 2005 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j5A4BXC0016231 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 21:11:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csbrune_ev@comcast.net) Received: from Cbrune (c-24-21-180-36.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.180.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20050610040146011003tbgce>; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 04:01:47 +0000 Message-ID: <008801c56d71$1f567920$800101df@corp.surepower.com> From: "Chris Brune" To: , References: <20050608215257.71637.qmail@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] New to EVs Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 21:01:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 04:11:37 -0000 I might suggest that you find one of the online EV calculators. You could use this to get an estimate of the performance based on the voltage and motor combination that you come up with. Try starting here: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/8679/ev.html Keep in mind that the 6V batteries really probably don't want to deliver currents over 300-400 amps. By having a low voltage system you will be putting a higher stress on the batteries. Also check out www.evalbum.com There could be some examples of 72V vehicles in there. Chris Brune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Susanto" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] New to EVs > The brat is around 2200lb curb weight. We're looking > to make an urban commuter where the user is in a small > town, the long end of the town is 3 miles and speed > limit is 35mph max. There is a small stretch of > highway the user will need to drive to get to work, > but can be avoided via back roads. So if I reduce the > top speed to say 35-40mph, would 72V be a decent > performer? > > The goal for the vehicle is for range, with decent > performance (say like a Geo Metro). The Brat was > selected because he does carry some dirty tools he'd > like to throw in the back. > > Cost is another concern and I'll definitely be looking > into the parts and resources you guys have given me. > > Thank you, and please keep the suggestions in. > > Andre S > > > Andre Susanto > http://www.vikingracing.net/andre > andres(AT)email(DOT)sae(DOT)org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From barnes.rick@comcast.net Fri Jun 10 05:14:45 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j5ACEjeO006211 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:14:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005061012143901400ji6o0e>; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:14:40 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:14:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c56db5$f9ed8c10$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C56D7B.4D8EB410" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <204.3557d33.2fd9e6bf@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:14:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C56D7B.4D8EB410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Dynasty 100 amp-hour AGM batteries DCS-100L are available form Interstate in Vancouver WA for $129 each. http://www.interstatebatteries.com/www_2001/content/products/specs/dcs100= l.p df#search=3D'dcs100l' =20 Rick Barnes -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Theoldcars@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:39 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries Hello Bryan =20 What voltage is your system? I don't know about any used batteries but I have found Panasonic 12 volt AGM 28 Ah batteries new for around 45 = dollars plus shipping. There number is LC X1228 they weigh 23 pounds each. = Panasonic also has other Ah AGM batteries. The price can be even lower with a = larger order. I am thinking about getting some more. =20 Don =20 In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:03:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: With no resolution in site for the replacement of the bad 90Ah Thunder = Sky cells, I'm thinking I would like to put together a small pack of lead = acid batts so I can at least get the Accord on the road and get *some* use = out of it. I figure I'll probably only be able to fit 600-800 lbs. of lead in = max, without upgrading the suspension (which I'd rather not do for a = "temporary" pack). Anyway, I'm looking for tips, suggestions, etc., for where to = check to find a source for some cheap used batteries. I'd rather not put a = bunch of money into buying new batteries that I will hopefully (keeping = fingers crossed although the outlook is not looking good) be replacing soon. Obviously I would like to get as much range as possible, but I'm not expecting too much from that small a pile of lead. Even if I could only = get 10-15 miles per charge, that would be enough for most of my daily = driving. As it is, I've put about 20 all-electric miles on the car with those = crappy TS cells (just short test drives down the street and around the neighborhood). That's just enough to whet my appetite, but I want MORE! :-) After 3 years in progress, I would really like to get the car driveable on a regular basis. -Bryan =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C56D7B.4D8EB410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
The Dynasty 100 amp-hour AGM = batteries=20 DCS-100L are available form Interstate in Vancouver WA for $129=20 each.
http://www.interstatebatteries.com/www_= 2001/content/products/specs/dcs100l.pdf#search=3D'dcs100l'
 
Rick Barnes
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On = Behalf Of=20 Theoldcars@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:39=20 AM
To: oeva-list@oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: = used=20 batteries

Hello Bryan
 
What voltage is your system? I don't know about any used = batteries but I=20 have found Panasonic 12 volt AGM 28 Ah batteries new for around 45 = dollars=20 plus shipping. There number is LC X1228 they weigh 23 pounds each. = Panasonic=20 also has other Ah AGM batteries. The price can be even lower = with a=20 larger order. I am thinking about getting some more.
 
Don
 
In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:03:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:

With no resolution in site for the replacement of the = bad 90Ah=20 Thunder Sky
cells, I'm thinking I would like to put together a = small pack=20 of lead acid
batts so I can at least get the Accord on the road = and get=20 *some* use out of
it.  I figure I'll probably only be able = to fit=20 600-800 lbs. of lead in max,
without upgrading the suspension = (which I'd=20 rather not do for a "temporary"
pack).  Anyway, I'm looking = for=20 tips, suggestions, etc., for where to check
to find a source for = some=20 cheap used batteries.  I'd rather not put a bunch
of money = into=20 buying new batteries that I will hopefully (keeping = fingers
crossed=20 although the outlook is not looking good) be replacing = soon.
Obviously I=20 would like to get as much range as possible, but I'm = not
expecting too=20 much from that small a pile of lead.  Even if I could only = get
10-15=20 miles per charge, that would be enough for most of my daily=20 driving.



As it is, I've put about 20 all-electric = miles on=20 the car with those crappy
TS cells (just short test drives down = the=20 street and around the
neighborhood).  That's just enough to = whet my=20 appetite, but I want MORE!
:-)   After 3 years in = progress, I=20 would really like to get the car
driveable on a regular=20 basis.



-Bryan
 
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C56D7B.4D8EB410-- From barnes.rick@comcast.net Fri Jun 10 05:25:05 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j5ACP5Z5008998 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barnes.rick@comcast.net) Received: from laundryroom (c-24-21-57-113.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.57.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <200506101224470150034i7te>; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:24:47 +0000 From: "Rick Barnes" To: "'Rick Barnes'" , , Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:24:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c56db7$63ec7210$6800a8c0@laundryroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C56D7C.B78D9A10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <000201c56db5$f9ed8c10$6800a8c0@laundryroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:25:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C56D7C.B78D9A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, bad link. =20 Try this: http://www.interstatebatteries.com/www_2001/content/products/specs/dcs100= l.p df =20 Rick -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Rick Barnes Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:15 AM To: Theoldcars@aol.com; oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries The Dynasty 100 amp-hour AGM batteries DCS-100L are available form Interstate in Vancouver WA for $129 each. http://www.interstatebatteries.com/www_2001/content/products/specs/dcs100= l.p df#search=3D'dcs100l' =20 Rick Barnes -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Theoldcars@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:39 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries Hello Bryan =20 What voltage is your system? I don't know about any used batteries but I have found Panasonic 12 volt AGM 28 Ah batteries new for around 45 = dollars plus shipping. There number is LC X1228 they weigh 23 pounds each. = Panasonic also has other Ah AGM batteries. The price can be even lower with a = larger order. I am thinking about getting some more. =20 Don =20 In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:03:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: With no resolution in site for the replacement of the bad 90Ah Thunder = Sky cells, I'm thinking I would like to put together a small pack of lead = acid batts so I can at least get the Accord on the road and get *some* use = out of it. I figure I'll probably only be able to fit 600-800 lbs. of lead in = max, without upgrading the suspension (which I'd rather not do for a = "temporary" pack). Anyway, I'm looking for tips, suggestions, etc., for where to = check to find a source for some cheap used batteries. I'd rather not put a = bunch of money into buying new batteries that I will hopefully (keeping = fingers crossed although the outlook is not looking good) be replacing soon. Obviously I would like to get as much range as possible, but I'm not expecting too much from that small a pile of lead. Even if I could only = get 10-15 miles per charge, that would be enough for most of my daily = driving. As it is, I've put about 20 all-electric miles on the car with those = crappy TS cells (just short test drives down the street and around the neighborhood). That's just enough to whet my appetite, but I want MORE! :-) After 3 years in progress, I would really like to get the car driveable on a regular basis. -Bryan =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C56D7C.B78D9A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Sorry, bad link.
 
Try this: http://www.interstatebatteries.com/www_2001/content/produc= ts/specs/dcs100l.pdf
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On = Behalf Of=20 Rick Barnes
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:15 = AM
To:=20 Theoldcars@aol.com; oeva-list@oeva.org
Subject: RE: = [Oeva-list] Re:=20 used batteries

The Dynasty 100 amp-hour AGM = batteries=20 DCS-100L are available form Interstate in Vancouver WA for $129=20 each.
http://www.interstatebatteries.com/www_= 2001/content/products/specs/dcs100l.pdf#search=3D'dcs100l'
 
Rick Barnes
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On = Behalf=20 Of Theoldcars@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 = 11:39=20 AM
To: oeva-list@oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] = Re: used=20 batteries

Hello Bryan
 
What voltage is your system? I don't know about any used = batteries but=20 I have found Panasonic 12 volt AGM 28 Ah batteries new for around 45 = dollars=20 plus shipping. There number is LC X1228 they weigh 23 pounds each. = Panasonic=20 also has other Ah AGM batteries. The price can be even = lower with=20 a larger order. I am thinking about getting some more.
 
Don
 
In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:03:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:

With no resolution in site for the replacement of the = bad 90Ah=20 Thunder Sky
cells, I'm thinking I would like to put together a = small=20 pack of lead acid
batts so I can at least get the Accord on the = road=20 and get *some* use out of
it.  I figure I'll probably only = be able=20 to fit 600-800 lbs. of lead in max,
without upgrading the = suspension=20 (which I'd rather not do for a "temporary"
pack).  Anyway, = I'm=20 looking for tips, suggestions, etc., for where to check
to find = a=20 source for some cheap used batteries.  I'd rather not put a=20 bunch
of money into buying new batteries that I will hopefully = (keeping=20 fingers
crossed although the outlook is not looking good) be = replacing=20 soon.
Obviously I would like to get as much range as possible, = but I'm=20 not
expecting too much from that small a pile of lead.  = Even if I=20 could only get
10-15 miles per charge, that would be enough for = most of=20 my daily driving.



As it is, I've put about 20 = all-electric=20 miles on the car with those crappy
TS cells (just short test = drives=20 down the street and around the
neighborhood).  That's just = enough=20 to whet my appetite, but I want MORE!
:-)   After 3 = years in=20 progress, I would really like to get the car
driveable on a = regular=20 basis.



-Bryan
 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C56D7C.B78D9A10-- From acid_lead@yahoo.com Fri Jun 10 11:34:21 2005 Received: from web14825.mail.yahoo.com (web14825.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.196]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j5AIYLSM002984 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:34:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acid_lead@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19992 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2005 18:34:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TunNRVgkWptvUYe5H9hEaU5dK+BtpCXBM6CUue2RBcCBvzwZPPENVGIBth3U2dgNMZtG2me6bINvmZJduevW7m75KHTx0ZB6yhOYlUkboZxg6LSEyzRD+ofMO2d9EJ1ySbuEkBXxW2OnIVSa6G8w4wl4VXu2rXAHaDNAvuQ62u0= ; Message-ID: <20050610183418.19990.qmail@web14825.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.190.88.118] by web14825.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:34:18 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT) From: George Tylinski To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Oeva-list] June 9 OEVA presentation documents X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:34:23 -0000 The papers I brought to the meeting can be found here; http://tylinski.fastmail.us/OEVA There are 2 files; Microsoft Word for the pictures, and Microsoft Excel for the table. The table is incomplete, but has a little more info than the Word document. You can click on a file and select "Open" in the dialog box to view and print them without downloading (if you have Microslop Orifice on your computer). It may take a few minutes to open the .doc file since it is large. You can also save/download them. The Word document is about 2.2 MB. I could not edit the photos on the computer I was working at or I'd have downsampled the images. Sorry... Feel free to email me if you have questions about it. George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) 73 MG Midget / Portland, OR __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From bryan@photonlight.com Fri Jun 10 14:29:49 2005 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j5ALTmtO046450 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryan@photonlight.com) Received: from officedesktop (c-67-164-61-203.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.164.61.203]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050610212435012001anuie>; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:24:36 +0000 From: "Bryan Avery" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:24:31 -0700 Organization: PhotonLight.com, Inc. Message-ID: <011101c56e02$cad27fb0$0201a8c0@officedesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0112_01C56DC8.1E73A7B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <204.3557d33.2fd9e6bf@aol.com> X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 21:29:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0112_01C56DC8.1E73A7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got one of Victor's AC systems, so 240V-336V is the recommended = voltage range with the higher voltage giving the best performance. 336V of the Panasonic 28Ah batteries would be just about right at ~650lbs. Of = course, 240V of larger capacity batteries would probably be a little bit cheaper though. With a smaller pack like this, I imagine battery balancing is = going to be even more critical than it might otherwise be, necessitating the = use of Rudman regulators / powercheqs / or some other similar device? Don, where have you found the $45 price? The best price I found with my = brief internet searches was $50 ea. + s/h in quantity from digikey, but every other site I found had them listed at around $90. At $45, that would be $1260 + shipping which is a bit more than I was hoping to pay for a = "cheap temporary" pack, but at this point it's almost worth that just to get = the car on the road finally. And of course, at the rate things have been = going with the TS cell replacement this could end up being a bit more than temporary, in which case I will probably be happier spending the money = on the brand new batteries & high voltage pack than just going with used batteries that are already near the end of their useful life. =20 Any other thoughts, advice, or things I should consider? =20 -Bryan =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of Theoldcars@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:39 AM To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries =20 Hello Bryan =20 What voltage is your system? I don't know about any used batteries but I have found Panasonic 12 volt AGM 28 Ah batteries new for around 45 = dollars plus shipping. There number is LC X1228 they weigh 23 pounds each. = Panasonic also has other Ah AGM batteries. The price can be even lower with a = larger order. I am thinking about getting some more. =20 Don =20 In a message dated 6/6/2005 12:03:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: With no resolution in site for the replacement of the bad 90Ah Thunder = Sky cells, I'm thinking I would like to put together a small pack of lead = acid batts so I can at least get the Accord on the road and get *some* use = out of it. I figure I'll probably only be able to fit 600-800 lbs. of lead in = max, without upgrading the suspension (which I'd rather not do for a = "temporary" pack). Anyway, I'm looking for tips, suggestions, etc., for where to = check to find a source for some cheap used batteries. I'd rather not put a = bunch of money into buying new batteries that I will hopefully (keeping = fingers crossed although the outlook is not looking good) be replacing soon. Obviously I would like to get as much range as possible, but I'm not expecting too much from that small a pile of lead. Even if I could only = get 10-15 miles per charge, that would be enough for most of my daily = driving. As it is, I've put about 20 all-electric miles on the car with those = crappy TS cells (just short test drives down the street and around the neighborhood). That's just enough to whet my appetite, but I want MORE! :-) After 3 years in progress, I would really like to get the car driveable on a regular basis. -Bryan =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0112_01C56DC8.1E73A7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’ve got = one of Victor’s AC systems, so 240V-336V is the recommended voltage range = with the higher voltage giving the best performance.  336V of the = Panasonic 28Ah batteries would be just about right at ~650lbs.  Of course, = 240V of larger capacity batteries would probably be a little bit cheaper though.  With a smaller pack like this, I imagine battery balancing is = going to be even more critical than it might otherwise be, necessitating the use of = Rudman regulators / powercheqs / or some other similar device?  Don, where = have you found the $45 price?  The best price I found with my brief = internet searches was $50 ea. + s/h in quantity from digikey, but every other = site I found had them listed at around $90.  At $45, that would be $1260 + shipping which is a bit more than I was hoping to pay for a “cheap temporary” pack, but at this point it’s almost worth that = just to get the car on the road finally.  And of course, at the rate things = have been going with the TS cell replacement this could end up being a bit = more than temporary, in which case I will probably be happier spending the money = on the brand new batteries & high voltage pack than just going with used = batteries that are already near the end of their useful life.

 

Any other thoughts, advice, or = things I should consider?

 

-Bryan

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: = oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On Behalf Of = Theoldcars@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:39 = AM
To: = oeva-list@oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: = used batteries

 

Hello = Bryan

 <= /font>

What voltage = is your system? I don't know about any used batteries but I have found Panasonic = 12 volt AGM 28 Ah batteries new for around 45 dollars plus shipping. There = number is LC X1228 they weigh 23 pounds each. Panasonic = also has other Ah AGM batteries. The price can be even lower with a larger order. I am = thinking about getting some more.

 <= /font>

Don

 <= /font>

In a message = dated 6/6/2005 12:03:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org = writes:


With no resolution in site for the replacement of the bad 90Ah Thunder = Sky
cells, I'm thinking I would like to put together a small pack of lead = acid
batts so I can at least get the Accord on the road and get *some* use = out of
it.  I figure I'll probably only be able to fit 600-800 lbs. of = lead in max,
without upgrading the suspension (which I'd rather not do for a "temporary"
pack).  Anyway, I'm looking for tips, suggestions, etc., for where = to check
to find a source for some cheap used batteries.  I'd rather not put = a bunch
of money into buying new batteries that I will hopefully (keeping = fingers
crossed although the outlook is not looking good) be replacing soon.
Obviously I would like to get as much range as possible, but I'm not
expecting too much from that small a pile of lead.  Even if I could = only get
10-15 miles per charge, that would be enough for most of my daily = driving.



As it is, I've put about 20 all-electric miles on the car with those = crappy
TS cells (just short test drives down the street and around the
neighborhood).  That's just enough to whet my appetite, but I want = MORE!
:-)   After 3 years in progress, I would really like to get = the car
driveable on a regular basis.



-Bryan

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------=_NextPart_000_0112_01C56DC8.1E73A7B0-- From jrab@e-m-w.com Fri Jun 10 16:16:40 2005 Received: from e-m-w.com (dhmail01.dollarhost.com [65.61.221.201]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j5ANGdlN072338 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:16:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrab@e-m-w.com) Received: from [192.168.1.2] [203.79.97.218] by e-m-w.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id AF521131009A; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:16:34 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:16:31 +1200 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] New to EVs From: John RA Benson To: Oregon EV Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008801c56d71$1f567920$800101df@corp.surepower.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:16:40 -0000 I was curious about the amp delivery potential of 6v vs 12v batteries. My Porsche used to be 20 6V US125's for 120V with a 235 amp hour rate. I was always disappointed that, despite having a controller that could use 500 amps, the most the meter would tell me was being drawn was about 350, and only momentarily. I thought it had to do more with wet cells that the voltage. The nicads seemed to deliver more, but I lost a lot of range due to only having a 100 amp pack, and they really needed to be limited to 250 amps tops for limited periods or they'd get hurt. Right now, it's sitting is storage awaiting a new pack while I'm out of the country. 12v agms of some sort seem to be in it's future. So it's more a case of higher voltage than wet or AGM when it comes to the battery for amp delivery? Thanks JRAB On 6/10/05 4:01 PM, "Chris Brune" wrote: > I might suggest that you find one of the online EV calculators. You could > use this to get an estimate of the performance based on the voltage and > motor combination that you come up with. > Try starting here: > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/8679/ev.html > > Keep in mind that the 6V batteries really probably don't want to deliver > currents over 300-400 amps. By having a low voltage system you will be > putting a higher stress on the batteries. > > Also check out www.evalbum.com There could be some examples of 72V vehicles > in there. > > Chris Brune > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andre Susanto" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] New to EVs > > >> The brat is around 2200lb curb weight. We're looking >> to make an urban commuter where the user is in a small >> town, the long end of the town is 3 miles and speed >> limit is 35mph max. There is a small stretch of >> highway the user will need to drive to get to work, >> but can be avoided via back roads. So if I reduce the >> top speed to say 35-40mph, would 72V be a decent >> performer? >> >> The goal for the vehicle is for range, with decent >> performance (say like a Geo Metro). The Brat was >> selected because he does carry some dirty tools he'd >> like to throw in the back. >> >> Cost is another concern and I'll definitely be looking >> into the parts and resources you guys have given me. >> >> Thank you, and please keep the suggestions in. >> >> Andre S >> >> >> Andre Susanto >> http://www.vikingracing.net/andre >> andres(AT)email(DOT)sae(DOT)org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list@oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From Theoldcars@aol.com Fri Jun 10 22:57:36 2005 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j5B5vZAa057546 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Theoldcars@aol.com) Received: from Theoldcars@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 6.142.470a4ced (1320) for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:57:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Theoldcars@aol.com Message-ID: <142.470a4ced.2fdbd740@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:57:20 EDT To: oeva-list@oeva.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1118469440" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 20, Issue 8 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 05:57:36 -0000 -------------------------------1118469440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Rick That is a really good price for an AGM 100Ah battery. Thank you for the information. Don Blazer In a message dated 6/10/2005 12:03:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes: The Dynasty 100 amp-hour AGM batteries DCS-100L are available form Interstate in Vancouver WA for $129 each. http://www.interstatebatteries.com/www_2001/content/products/specs/dcs100l.p df#search='dcs100l' Rick Barnes -------------------------------1118469440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 -------------------------------1118469440-- From bryan@photonlight.com Sat Jun 11 02:20:55 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.89]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j5B9Ks5C095364 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 02:20:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryan@photonlight.com) Received: from officedesktop (c-67-164-61-203.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.164.61.203]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20050611092049014002e8uje>; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:20:49 +0000 From: "Bryan Avery" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Re: Businesses Supporting EVs Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 02:20:44 -0700 Organization: PhotonLight.com, Inc. Message-ID: <004301c56e66$d8b07650$0201a8c0@officedesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <20050609173729.15957.qmail@web14828.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agora.rdrop.com id j5B9Ks5C095364 X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:20:55 -0000 > > 1. Tools and test equipment that can't be justified by an individual. > I gather that Mark M has done something in this regard? > An engine hoist would be an awesome loner item. Since it's usually only needed a couple times during the process it's hard to justify buying one as an individual, but I've already spent about $75 on engine hoist rentals on my project. Of course, being down here in Eugene, I probably wouldn't be able to take advantage of such a loaner tool program easily, but I still think it's a great idea for those closer to Portland. :-) A flat-bed trailer or auto-transport type trailer for getting cars too and from the body/welding shop is the other thing that I could see being a great money saver. I think someone's already got one though? Just my two cents. -Bryan Avery > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces@oeva.org] On > Behalf Of George Tylinski > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:37 AM > To: oeva-list@oeva.org > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Re: Businesses Supporting EVs > > If we had a budget, I would suggest 2 things: > > 1. Tools and test equipment that can't be justified by an > individual. I gather that Mark M has done something in this > regard? > > 2. Vehicle transport expenses such as hauling an EV purchased > out of town, getting to/from Woodburn an other EVents, dragging > a conversion in progress to/from shops for welding, bodywork, > etc. > > If we had a few milion$, I'd love to see an EV history museum > right here in Portland... > > [snip] > > > > What would we do if we had a budget? Conversion workshops? a > > better > > display for events? greater resources for members? > > > > > > ...Ross... > > George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) > 73 MG Midget / Portland, OR > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list@oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From bryan@photonlight.com Sat Jun 11 16:28:06 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j5BNS61J089820 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryan@photonlight.com) Received: from officedesktop (c-67-164-61-203.hsd1.or.comcast.net[67.164.61.203]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <200506112319230150030eqse>; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:19:24 +0000 From: "Bryan Avery" To: Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:19:23 -0700 Organization: PhotonLight.com, Inc. Message-ID: <004401c56edc$0163b7e0$0201a8c0@officedesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C56EA1.5504DFE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <88.28838f79.2fdbd902@aol.com> X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:28:06 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C56EA1.5504DFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I think the 336V of 28Ah batteries sounds like the way to go. = Given the same 681 pounds in a lower voltage higher Ah pack, the range should = be about the same I think, but as you suggested it might actually be more expensive this way given that the ~40Ah batteries seem to be a bit more expensive and there would be no opportunity for combining our orders for = the volume discount. As for performance, it seems that peak power from the siemens system is essentially current limited up to about the 336V range = so all else being equal, the higher voltage pack would get me the best performance possible from the drive system. =20 I'm definitely interested in getting together for the volume pricing. = With your 52 plus my 28, that gives us a total of 80 batteries for the order. = If Gary wants another 20-28 for the Insight, that would put us up to 100 easily. What did they quote you for shipping? It seems that shipping through a regular freight trucking company shouldn't be too bad with = such a large order. Since the bulk of the order is going to be yours, we = should probably just have everything shipped to you and then I can drive up and haul my bunch back down to Eugene myself.=20 =20 That's good to know about the powercheqs. I've already got a bunch of circuit boards printed & all the components for a set of the voltage-regulator circuits that Victor designed for the TS cells. I = think it may just be a matter of changing the resistor values to use the same circuit with the lead acid batteries. That would probably be the = cheapest solution since I've already got most of the components, although I'm not quite sure about how well they would interface with the PFC charger (or = if that's even necessary). The Rudman regulators I suppose would be the = most plug-and-play solution and guaranteed to do what I need. =20 -Bryan =20 -----Original Message----- From: Theoldcars@aol.com [mailto:Theoldcars@aol.com]=20 Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:05 PM To: bryan@photonlight.com Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries =20 Hello Bryan =20 With 336 volts the batteries would weigh 681 pounds. The batteries would cost you more than used batteries if you could find what you need. New though would provide years of reliable service until you find a better replacement.=20 =20 The voltage you need and the weight I think makes these your best = option. With this even when your batteries were at 10.5 volts the pack would = still have 294 volts. The other thing I have noticed is the 33 to 42 Ah = batteries cost a lot more. Some as much as double this 28 Ah price. The 28 Ah = battery must fit more applications which allow the price drop.=20 =20 If you went on the low end 240 volt pack with 20 batteries they could = only weigh 32.5 pounds. Not enough to get into the larger better priced batteries. With the higher voltage pack you would pull less Amps? With a larger Ah battery and less pack voltage you would be placing a higher = load on them this would be a reduction in range correct? Would there really = be any gain then? =20 Digi-Key 1-800-344-4539 and Fedco 1-800-542-9761 both carry the 28 Ah. I found they will try and beat one another on pricing. I would have liked = a little larger Ah battery but anything bigger than the 28 Ah will not fit = in the existing space. I have to do a buddy pack and this is the best deal = I have found on this size battery. I started with Digi-Key with a 52 = battery order and they were willing to sell them for 43.29 which is the 120 = price break they show. I contacted Fedco and they went to 41.45 for a 52 = order. They would do 100 for 39.95 so I went with them. I would be willing to = order another 52 to add to yours if it gets you the better prices. The only = other thing to watch for is shipping. Digi-Key at first was trying to charge = 1500 dollars I had them contact their shipping department and the price was = way off. =20 Gary was telling me the power cheqs are not good for leveling during a charge and I think he said some burned up. He said the Rudman regulators would be the best way to go.=20 =20 I can assure you know more about electric vehicles than I do. I just = happen to have a hundred hours searching for AGM batteries and their prices in = the 30Ah to 65Ah range. =20 Let me know if you would like to take advantage of the high quantity = pricing together. Gary might also be interested. =20 Don Blazer =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 6/10/2005 2:23:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bryan@photonlight.com writes: I've got one of Victor's AC systems, so 240V-336V is the recommended = voltage range with the higher voltage giving the best performance. 336V of the Panasonic 28Ah batteries would be just about right at ~650lbs. Of = course, 240V of larger capacity batteries would probably be a little bit cheaper though. With a smaller pack like this, I imagine battery balancing is = going to be even more critical than it might otherwise be, necessitating the = use of Rudman regulators / powercheqs / or some other similar device? Don, where have you found the $45 price? The best price I found with my = brief internet searches was $50 ea. + s/h in quantity from digikey, but every other site I found had them listed at around $90. At $45, that would be $1260 + shipping which is a bit more than I was hoping to pay for a = "cheap temporary" pack, but at this point it's almost worth that just to get = the car on the road finally. And of course, at the rate things have been = going with the TS cell replacement this could end up being a bit more than temporary, in which case I will probably be happier spending the money = on the brand new batteries & high voltage pack than just going with used batteries that are already near the end of their useful life. =20 Any other thoughts, advice, or things I should consider? =20 -Bryan =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C56EA1.5504DFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, I think the = 336V of 28Ah batteries sounds like the way to go.  Given the same 681 pounds in = a lower voltage higher Ah pack, the range should be about the same I think, but = as you suggested it might actually be more expensive this way given that the = ~40Ah batteries seem to be a bit more expensive and there would be no = opportunity for combining our orders for the volume discount.  As for performance, = it seems that peak power from the siemens system is essentially current = limited up to about the 336V range so all else being equal, the higher voltage pack = would get me the best performance possible from the drive = system.

 

I’m definitely interested in = getting together for the volume pricing.  With your 52 plus my 28, that = gives us a total of 80 batteries for the order.  If Gary wants another = 20-28 for the Insight, that would put us up to 100 easily.  What did they = quote you for shipping?  It seems that shipping through a regular freight = trucking company shouldn’t be too bad with such a large order.  Since = the bulk of the order is going to be yours, we should probably just have = everything shipped to you and then I can drive up and haul my bunch back down to = Eugene myself. =

 

That’s good to know about the = powercheqs.  I’ve already got a bunch of circuit boards printed & all the components for a set of the voltage-regulator circuits that Victor = designed for the TS cells.  I think it may just be a matter of changing the = resistor values to use the same circuit with the lead acid batteries.  That = would probably be the cheapest solution since I’ve already got most of = the components, although I’m not quite sure about how well they would interface with the PFC charger (or if that’s even necessary). =  The Rudman regulators I suppose would be the most plug-and-play solution and guaranteed to do what I need.

 

-Bryan

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Theoldcars@aol.com [mailto:Theoldcars@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:05 = PM
To: = bryan@photonlight.com
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] = Re: used batteries

 

Hello = Bryan

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With 336 = volts the batteries would weigh 681 pounds. The batteries would cost you more than = used batteries if you could find what you need. New though would provide = years of reliable service until you find a better replacement.

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The voltage = you need and the weight I think makes these your best option. With this even = when your batteries were at 10.5 volts the pack would still = have 294 volts. The other thing I have noticed is the 33 to 42 Ah batteries cost = a lot more. Some as much as double this 28 Ah price. The 28 Ah = battery must fit more applications which allow the price drop. =

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If you went = on the low end 240 volt pack with 20 batteries they could only weigh 32.5 = pounds. Not enough to get into the larger better priced batteries. With the = higher voltage pack you would pull less Amps? With a larger Ah = battery and less pack voltage you would be placing a higher load on them this = would be a reduction in range correct? Would there really be any gain = then?

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Digi-Key 1-800-344-4539 and Fedco 1-800-542-9761 both carry the 28 Ah. I = found they will try and beat one another on pricing. I would have liked a little = larger Ah battery but anything bigger than the 28 Ah will not fit in the existing = space. I have to do a buddy pack and this is the best deal I have found on this = size battery. I started with Digi-Key with a 52 battery order and they were = willing to sell them for 43.29 which is the 120 price break they show. I = contacted Fedco and they went to 41.45 for a 52 order. They would do 100 for 39.95 = so I went with them. I would be willing to order another 52 to add to yours = if it gets you the better prices. The only other thing to watch for is = shipping. Digi-Key at first was trying to charge 1500 dollars I had them contact = their shipping department and the price was way off.

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Gary was telling me the power cheqs are not good for leveling during a charge and = I think he said some burned up. He said the Rudman regulators would be the = best way to go.

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I can assure = you know more about electric vehicles than I do. I just happen to have a = hundred hours searching for AGM batteries and their prices in the 30Ah to = 65Ah range.

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Let me know = if you would like to take advantage of the high quantity pricing together. = Gary might also be interested.

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Don = Blazer

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In a message = dated 6/10/2005 2:23:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bryan@photonlight.com writes:

I’ve got one of = Victor’s AC systems, so 240V-336V is the recommended voltage range with the higher = voltage giving the best performance.  336V of the Panasonic 28Ah batteries = would be just about right at ~650lbs.  Of course, 240V of larger capacity batteries would probably be a little bit cheaper though.  With a = smaller pack like this, I imagine battery balancing is going to be even more = critical than it might otherwise be, necessitating the use of Rudman regulators / powercheqs / or some other similar device?  Don, where have you = found the $45 price?  The best price I found with my brief internet searches = was $50 ea. + s/h in quantity from digikey, but every other site I found had = them listed at around $90.  At $45, that would be $1260 + shipping which = is a bit more than I was hoping to pay for a “cheap temporary” = pack, but at this point it’s almost worth that just to get the car on the = road finally.  And of course, at the rate things have been going with the TS cell = replacement this could end up being a bit more than temporary, in which case I will probably be happier spending the money on the brand new batteries & = high voltage pack than just going with used batteries that are already near = the end of their useful life.

 

Any other thoughts, advice, or = things I should consider?

 

-Bryan

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------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C56EA1.5504DFE0-- From acid_lead@yahoo.com Sat Jun 11 19:55:34 2005 Received: from web14825.mail.yahoo.com (web14825.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.196]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with SMTP id j5C2tYLS030840 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:55:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acid_lead@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46356 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2005 02:55:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oBCXe1TPsg87INYyfm/icVy3RAjwCdtmgLM4xQKDO+4c0w/E4Gmh7WICtsevG7cAqupChNQoxZ8L5G7A94lI1WW5bz8nomc2/JB9Yq6NCs3mnlQTLKbyz4yprFdzwrfp65pqUglf7Is7lni3aqZpifh9ecpBdcymnOsSLCbDO/E= ; Message-ID: <20050612025514.46354.qmail@web14825.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.190.88.118] by web14825.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:55:14 PDT Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: George Tylinski Subject: motor hoist idea (was RE: [Oeva-list] Re: Businesses Supporting EVs) To: oeva-list@oeva.org In-Reply-To: <004201c56e66$c350d020$0201a8c0@officedesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 02:55:35 -0000 Yes, but you still have to get the hoist to and from your worksite. In my garage, I drilled 2 holes in the ceiling, on either side of a rafter, directly above the motor where I park the car. I put a 5 foot 4x4 on top of the rafter (in the attic of the garage), then threaded a chain up thru one hole and down thru the other, looping over the 4x4. The 2 ends of the chain are connected together. A ratcheting hoist (sometimes called a come-along) can then be hooked to the chain and used to lift the motor/trans. I also made a bracket that bolts to my adapter plate that the hoist can hook to. By trial and error I spaced it forward so the motor/trans sits at about a 20 degree tilt which I need to snake it in. It is easy to deploy/stow and very inexpensive if you don't count the cost of the garage. --- Bryan Avery wrote: > > > > > 1. Tools and test equipment that can't be justified by an > > individual. I gather that Mark M has done something in this > > regard? > > > > An engine hoist would be an awesome loner item. Since it's > usually only > needed a couple times during the process it's hard to justify > buying one as > an individual, but I've already spent about $75 on engine > hoist rentals on > my project. Of course, being down here in Eugene, I probably > wouldn't be > able to take advantage of such a loaner tool program easily, > but I still > think it's a great idea for those closer to Portland. :-) > > A flat-bed trailer or auto-transport type trailer for getting > cars too and > from the body/welding shop is the other thing that I could see > being a great > money saver. I think someone's already got one though? > > Just my two cents. > > > -Bryan Avery > > George Tylinski (Yahoo ID acid_lead) 73 MG Midget / Portland, OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From tony@notebene.net Mon Jun 13 19:16:54 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j5E2Grnw040891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:16:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D9036403F for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E48845F31 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42AE3E7B.2010400@notebene.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:18:35 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oeva-list@oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries References: <004401c56edc$0163b7e0$0201a8c0@officedesktop> In-Reply-To: <004401c56edc$0163b7e0$0201a8c0@officedesktop> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010800050400070402000004" X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:16:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010800050400070402000004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Though I don't need a high quantity, I do need 5 of those 28ah batteries, be happy to share the discount :-) Tony McCormick "Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" see it all at: http://www.notebene.net Bryan Avery wrote: > Yes, I think the 336V of 28Ah batteries sounds like the way to go. > Given the same 681 pounds in a lower voltage higher Ah pack, the range > should be about the same I think, but as you suggested it might > actually be more expensive this way given that the ~40Ah batteries > seem to be a bit more expensive and there would be no opportunity for > combining our orders for the volume discount. As for performance, it > seems that peak power from the siemens system is essentially current > limited up to about the 336V range so all else being equal, the higher > voltage pack would get me the best performance possible from the drive > system. > > > > I'm definitely interested in getting together for the volume pricing. > With your 52 plus my 28, that gives us a total of 80 batteries for > the order. If Gary wants another 20-28 for the Insight, that would > put us up to 100 easily. What did they quote you for shipping? It > seems that shipping through a regular freight trucking company > shouldn't be too bad with such a large order. Since the bulk of the > order is going to be yours, we should probably just have everything > shipped to you and then I can drive up and haul my bunch back down to > Eugene myself. > > > > That's good to know about the powercheqs. I've already got a bunch of > circuit boards printed & all the components for a set of the > voltage-regulator circuits that Victor designed for the TS cells. I > think it may just be a matter of changing the resistor values to use > the same circuit with the lead acid batteries. That would probably be > the cheapest solution since I've already got most of the components, > although I'm not quite sure about how well they would interface with > the PFC charger (or if that's even necessary). The Rudman regulators > I suppose would be the most plug-and-play solution and guaranteed to > do what I need. > > > > -Bryan > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Theoldcars@aol.com [mailto:Theoldcars@aol.com] > *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2005 11:05 PM > *To:* bryan@photonlight.com > *Subject:* Re: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries > > > > Hello Bryan > > > > With 336 volts the batteries would weigh 681 pounds. The batteries > would cost you more than used batteries if you could find what you > need. New though would provide years of reliable service until you > find a better replacement. > > > > The voltage you need and the weight I think makes these your best > option. With this even when your batteries were at 10.5 volts the > pack would still have 294 volts. The other thing I have noticed is the > 33 to 42 Ah batteries cost a lot more. Some as much as double this 28 > Ah price. The 28 Ah battery must fit more applications which allow the > price drop. > > > > If you went on the low end 240 volt pack with 20 batteries they could > only weigh 32.5 pounds. Not enough to get into the larger better > priced batteries. With the higher voltage pack you would pull less > Amps? With a larger Ah battery and less pack voltage you would be > placing a higher load on them this would be a reduction in range > correct? Would there really be any gain then? > > > > Digi-Key 1-800-344-4539 and Fedco 1-800-542-9761 both carry the 28 Ah. > I found they will try and beat one another on pricing. I would have > liked a little larger Ah battery but anything bigger than the 28 Ah > will not fit in the existing space. I have to do a buddy pack and this > is the best deal I have found on this size battery. I started with > Digi-Key with a 52 battery order and they were willing to sell them > for 43.29 which is the 120 price break they show. I contacted Fedco > and they went to 41.45 for a 52 order. They would do 100 for 39.95 so > I went with them. I would be willing to order another 52 to add to > yours if it gets you the better prices. The only other thing to watch > for is shipping. Digi-Key at first was trying to charge 1500 dollars I > had them contact their shipping department and the price was way off. > > > > Gary was telling me the power cheqs are not good for leveling during a > charge and I think he said some burned up. He said the Rudman > regulators would be the best way to go. > > > > I can assure you know more about electric vehicles than I do. I just > happen to have a hundred hours searching for AGM batteries and their > prices in the 30Ah to 65Ah range. > > > > Let me know if you would like to take advantage of the high quantity > pricing together. Gary might also be interested. > > > > Don Blazer > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/10/2005 2:23:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > bryan@photonlight.com writes: > > I've got one of Victor's AC systems, so 240V-336V is the > recommended voltage range with the higher voltage giving the best > performance. 336V of the Panasonic 28Ah batteries would be just > about right at ~650lbs. Of course, 240V of larger capacity > batteries would probably be a little bit cheaper though. With a > smaller pack like this, I imagine battery balancing is going to be > even more critical than it might otherwise be, necessitating the > use of Rudman regulators / powercheqs / or some other similar > device? Don, where have you found the $45 price? The best price > I found with my brief internet searches was $50 ea. + s/h in > quantity from digikey, but every other site I found had them > listed at around $90. At $45, that would be $1260 + shipping > which is a bit more than I was hoping to pay for a "cheap > temporary" pack, but at this point it's almost worth that just to > get the car on the road finally. And of course, at the rate > things have been going with the TS cell replacement this could end > up being a bit more than temporary, in which case I will probably > be happier spending the money on the brand new batteries & high > voltage pack than just going with used batteries that are already > near the end of their useful life. > > > > Any other thoughts, advice, or things I should consider? > > > > -Bryan > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Oeva-list mailing list >Oeva-list@oeva.org >http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > --------------010800050400070402000004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Though I don't need a high quantity, I do need 5 of those 28ah batteries, be happy to share the discount :-)
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Bryan Avery wrote:

Yes, I think the 336V of 28Ah batteries sounds like the way to go.  Given the same 681 pounds in a lower voltage higher Ah pack, the range should be about the same I think, but as you suggested it might actually be more expensive this way given that the ~40Ah batteries seem to be a bit more expensive and there would be no opportunity for combining our orders for the volume discount.  As for performance, it seems that peak power from the siemens system is essentially current limited up to about the 336V range so all else being equal, the higher voltage pack would get me the best performance possible from the drive system.

 

I’m definitely interested in getting together for the volume pricing.  With your 52 plus my 28, that gives us a total of 80 batteries for the order.  If Gary wants another 20-28 for the Insight, that would put us up to 100 easily.  What did they quote you for shipping?  It seems that shipping through a regular freight trucking company shouldn’t be too bad with such a large order.  Since the bulk of the order is going to be yours, we should probably just have everything shipped to you and then I can drive up and haul my bunch back down to Eugene myself.

 

That’s good to know about the powercheqs.  I’ve already got a bunch of circuit boards printed & all the components for a set of the voltage-regulator circuits that Victor designed for the TS cells.  I think it may just be a matter of changing the resistor values to use the same circuit with the lead acid batteries.  That would probably be the cheapest solution since I’ve already got most of the components, although I’m not quite sure about how well they would interface with the PFC charger (or if that’s even necessary).  The Rudman regulators I suppose would be the most plug-and-play solution and guaranteed to do what I need.

 

-Bryan

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Theoldcars@aol.com [mailto:Theoldcars@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:05 PM
To: bryan@photonlight.com
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Re: used batteries

 

Hello Bryan

 

With 336 volts the batteries would weigh 681 pounds. The batteries would cost you more than used batteries if you could find what you need. New though would provide years of reliable service until you find a better replacement.

 

The voltage you need and the weight I think makes these your best option. With this even when your batteries were at 10.5 volts the pack would still have 294 volts. The other thing I have noticed is the 33 to 42 Ah batteries cost a lot more. Some as much as double this 28 Ah price. The 28 Ah battery must fit more applications which allow the price drop.

 

If you went on the low end 240 volt pack with 20 batteries they could only weigh 32.5 pounds. Not enough to get into the larger better priced batteries. With the higher voltage pack you would pull less Amps? With a larger Ah battery and less pack voltage you would be placing a higher load on them this would be a reduction in range correct? Would there really be any gain then?

 

Digi-Key 1-800-344-4539 and Fedco 1-800-542-9761 both carry the 28 Ah. I found they will try and beat one another on pricing. I would have liked a little larger Ah battery but anything bigger than the 28 Ah will not fit in the existing space. I have to do a buddy pack and this is the best deal I have found on this size battery. I started with Digi-Key with a 52 battery order and they were willing to sell them for 43.29 which is the 120 price break they show. I contacted Fedco and they went to 41.45 for a 52 order. They would do 100 for 39.95 so I went with them. I would be willing to order another 52 to add to yours if it gets you the better prices. The only other thing to watch for is shipping. Digi-Key at first was trying to charge 1500 dollars I had them contact their shipping department and the price was way off.

 

Gary was telling me the power cheqs are not good for leveling during a charge and I think he said some burned up. He said the Rudman regulators would be the best way to go.

 

I can assure you know more about electric vehicles than I do. I just happen to have a hundred hours searching for AGM batteries and their prices in the 30Ah to 65Ah range.

 

Let me know if you would like to take advantage of the high quantity pricing together. Gary might also be interested.

 

Don Blazer

 

 

 

In a message dated 6/10/2005 2:23:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bryan@photonlight.com writes:

I’ve got one of Victor’s AC systems, so 240V-336V is the recommended voltage range with the higher voltage giving the best performance.  336V of the Panasonic 28Ah batteries would be just about right at ~650lbs.  Of course, 240V of larger capacity batteries would probably be a little bit cheaper though.  With a smaller pack like this, I imagine battery balancing is going to be even more critical than it might otherwise be, necessitating the use of Rudman regulators / powercheqs / or some other similar device?  Don, where have you found the $45 price?  The best price I found with my brief internet searches was $50 ea. + s/h in quantity from digikey, but every other site I found had them listed at around $90.  At $45, that would be $1260 + shipping which is a bit more than I was hoping to pay for a “cheap temporary” pack, but at this point it’s almost worth that just to get the car on the road finally.  And of course, at the rate things have been going with the TS cell replacement this could end up being a bit more than temporary, in which case I will probably be happier spending the money on the brand new batteries & high voltage pack than just going with used batteries that are already near the end of their useful life.

 

Any other thoughts, advice, or things I should consider?

 

-Bryan

 


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--------------010800050400070402000004-- From tony@notebene.net Mon Jun 13 23:00:54 2005 Received: from smtp.easystreet.com (smtp.easystreet.com [69.30.22.10]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j5E60r84086942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:00:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tony@notebene.net) Received: from smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (smtpdelivery.easystreet.com [206.26.36.40]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813A33640B0 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (209-162-200-230.dv0sn.easystreet.com [209.162.200.230]) by smtpdelivery.easystreet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CA3845EB7 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42AE72F0.5080403@notebene.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:02:24 -0700 From: Tony McCormick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OEVA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040009050903020708020707" Subject: [Oeva-list] DEQ ammendment blocks clean car initiave in oregon X-BeenThere: oeva-list@oeva.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Oregon Electric Vehicle Association List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 06:00:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040009050903020708020707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tell OSPIRG about your hybrid or other advanced technology car at the following web site - http://ospirg.org/OR.asp?id=304&id4=TAFsent They are trying to put together a EV/Hybrid rally in Salem in June to protest some upcoming bad DEQ legislation. -- Tony McCormick "Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword" see it all at: http://www.notebene.net Dear OSPIRG supporter, Governor Kulongoski has pledged to bring cleaner cars to Oregon this year, to cut global warming pollution by a third AND save us money at the gas pump. But as you've probably read in the paper, the big auto-makers are making a play to thwart this plan. Late last week they got an amendment attached to the Department of Environmental Quality's (DEQ) budget that blocks clean cars. We're working to convince the legislature to reject this ploy, and vote down this DEQ budget. Please take a moment to ask your state representative to vote against the DEQ budget, and any bill that blocks solutions to global warming. Then, ask you friends and family to help, by forwarding this email to them. To take action, click here or paste this link into your browser: http://ospirg.org/OR.asp?id=70&id4=ES BACKGROUND Governor Kulongoski has called for Oregon to adopt the Clean Cars program created in California. The House Budget Committee's move to block the program by adding a "rider" to the budget for the Department of Environmental Quality not only prohibits the clean cars program, it also violates the Oregon constitution. The Clean Cars program would set strong emissions standards for cars, including for global warming pollution, and require that a percentage of vehicles sold be advanced-technology or zero-emissions vehicles, such as hybrids. That means tens of thousands more advanced-technology cars and trucks for Oregonians. Detroit has the technology right now to make cleaner cars, but their availability to Oregonians is limited. Sales of hybrid-electric vehicles increased 63% in 2004 but waiting lists of six months have been reported. Thirteen different automakers manufacture standard-technology cars that meet emissions standards in California, but many of these vehicles have been made available only in states that have adopted the Clean Car regulations. Limiting global warming pollution from cars is critically important; there's now scientific consensus that global warming is starting to change Oregon. Sea levels on parts on the central and northern Oregon Coast are rising and snowpack in the Cascades is shrinking, leading to reduced river flows and less water available for irrigation, hydropower, and salmon migration. The Clean Cars program requires cars to emit 30% less global warming pollution starting in 2009. The good news is that cleaner cars are one of many ways we can reduce our global warming emissions while helping the local economy. By putting tens of thousands more advanced-technology cars on the market in Oregon, the Clean Cars program will give consumers more choices. And because the technologies that reduce global warming pollution also allow the cars to go farther on a mile of gas, Oregonians will save money at the pump. Please take a moment to ask your State Representative to vote against the DEQ budget and any bill that blocks solutions to global warming. Then, ask your friends and family to do the same, by forwarding them this email. To take action, click here or paste this link into your browser: http://ospirg.org/OR.asp?id=70&id3=OR&id4=ES& Sincerely, Maureen Kirk OSPIRG Executive Director MaureenK@ospirg.org http://www.OSPIRG.org --------------040009050903020708020707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tell OSPIRG about your hybrid or other advanced technology car at the following web site -

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They are trying to put together a EV/Hybrid rally in Salem in June to protest some upcoming bad DEQ legislation.

-- 
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Dear OSPIRG supporter,

Governor Kulongoski has pledged to bring cleaner cars to Oregon this year, to cut global warming pollution by a third AND save us money at the gas pump. But as you've probably read in the paper, the big auto-makers are making a play to thwart this plan. Late last week they got an amendment attached to the Department of Environmental Quality's (DEQ) budget that blocks clean cars. We're working to convince the legislature to reject this ploy, and vote down this DEQ budget.

Please take a moment to ask your state representative to vote against the DEQ budget, and any bill that blocks solutions to global warming. Then, ask you friends and family to help, by forwarding this email to them.

To take action, click here or paste this link into your browser:
http://ospirg.org/OR.asp?id=70&id4=ES


BACKGROUND

Governor Kulongoski has called for Oregon to adopt the Clean Cars program created in California. The House Budget Committee's move to block the program by adding a "rider" to the budget for the Department of Environmental Quality not only prohibits the clean cars program, it also violates the Oregon constitution.

The Clean Cars program would set strong emissions standards for cars, including for global warming pollution, and require that a percentage of vehicles sold be advanced-technology or zero-emissions vehicles, such as hybrids. That means tens of thousands more advanced-technology cars and trucks for Oregonians. Detroit has the technology right now to make cleaner cars, but their availability to Oregonians is limited. Sales of hybrid-electric vehicles increased 63% in 2004 but waiting lists of six months have been reported. Thirteen different automakers manufacture standard-technology cars that meet emissions standards in California, but many of these vehicles have been made available only in states that have adopted the Clean Car regulations.

Limiting global warming pollution from cars is critically important; there's now scientific consensus that global warming is starting to change Oregon. Sea levels on parts on the central and northern Oregon Coast are rising and snowpack in the Cascades is shrinking, leading to reduced river flows and less water available for irrigation, hydropower, and salmon migration. The Clean Cars program requires cars to emit 30% less global warming pollution starting in 2009.

The good news is that cleaner cars are one of many ways we can reduce our global warming emissions while helping the local economy. By putting tens of thousands more advanced-technology cars on the market in Oregon, the Clean Cars program will give consumers more choices. And because the technologies that reduce global warming pollution also allow the cars to go farther on a mile of gas, Oregonians will save money at the pump.

Please take a moment to ask your State Representative to vote against the DEQ budget and any bill that blocks solutions to global warming. Then, ask your friends and family to do the same, by forwarding them this email.

To take action, click here or paste this link into your browser:
http://ospirg.org/OR.asp?id=70&id3=OR&id4=ES&

Sincerely,

Maureen Kirk
OSPIRG Executive Director
MaureenK@ospirg.org
http://www.OSPIRG.org




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Hello Listers and Lurkers, 
Here's an EV Travelogue from this past weekend, so proceed at your leisure- if interested....

I just concluded a very EVentful weekend, beginning with the Friday delivery of 400 nicad cells to John Lussmyer on Whidbey Island.  The attractive log home holds a Cougar habitat that's bigger than my first apartment, and is home to a 70 lb purring kitten that I would've been happy to pet, if she hadn't been contentedly crunching on a chicken carcass at the moment!.... On to the EV shop. Cougar John's place is equipped with an arch-style building that could hold his entire fleet, and besides all the usual electrical paraphernalia, he's got a WWII vintage aircraft engine hoist that's perfect for straddling and lifting just about any vehicle EVer made, with it's 20-ton capacity chain hoist and elegantly simple wishbone design.  From the looks of things, Cougar should be able to show off a nicad-powered Sparrow in no time! ;-) 
 
We then rolled my much-relieved Ranger onward to Vancouver, BC for a rendezvous with Al Godfrey.  For those of you who haven't had the pleasure of meeting Al, he's the sort of  gentleman that anyone would've loved to have as a grandfather or neighbor.  From the open, yet cozy contemporary home of stone and timber overlooking the Fraser River valley that he and his wife Esther built with their own hands, to the remote-control ElecTrak that quietly grooms the lawn, the Godfrey estate oozes tranquility, until one glimpses the sinfully silver Porsche 928 lurking in the garage out back.   This immaculate car would fit in at any Porsche Concours, but the craftsmanship, fit and finish on his EV conversion would also be the envy of any amphead.  Of course, vehicular hygiene is helped a bit by the sano Siemens A/C setup from Victor and TWENTY-SIX sealed Optima blue top batteries that were so skillfully secreted away in the dark recesses of the 928, but juxtaposed against the three decades worth of groovy EV gizmos filling that old garage, the 928 looks more like it's emerging from the lair of a mad scientist than the humble workshop of a retired engineer.  
Unfortunately, some erratic battery behavior has the Porsche on a stress-free diet, and we were unable to unleash it's horses, but my EV Grin quickly reappeared with the arrival of Al's buddy from the boonies, Alan Cumberlidge, who stopped by in his handbuilt Plymouth Horizon for a battery boost before Saturday's show.  Seeing as how an overnight charge was forthcoming, we took a spirited drive around the neighborhood, showing that not only will that old Omni beat any original 25 year-old econoboxer on the road, but it will do so in silence, powered by an early "before they put the squeal in" Curtis controller.     
 
Saturday brought showers to Vancouver, but it didn't dampen the spirits of REV! participants, who put on a good showing despite the flukey weather.  What really makes this show a standout, (besides the rides in an immaculate 1912 Detroit Electric!) is the involvement at all levels of the hobby.  Electrathon racing continued in a seemingly endless cycle of circles on the short track (the winners completed 120+ laps!), while electric bicycle, scooter, and board buyers got test rides till all comers were satisfied.  Rich Rudman was there manning the charge trailer, but the Madman was a little jumpy amidst all the liquid humidity, hopping every time somebody clapped their hands or slammed a door with a quick "WHAT POPPED!"   He did get to blow off some steam by showing that Goldie brought more to the show than just a pretty face, by laying rubber all over the nice and clean electrathon track during an impromptu all-EV parade.  
 
After Saturday's excitement and a yawn-inducing trek home, Sunday brought an old friend into town.  Tom is a professor of Aeronautical Engineering and a test pilot at Mississippi State University, and though I had been telling him about this stuff for years, there's nothing like a visit to the Wayland Juice Bar to create a new EV Grin.  We stopped by John's place just in time to see the Yellow Monster unveiled.  It truly was amazing to see the handiwork that turned a junk-pile antique forklift motor into the dynamically-timed monster that will no doubt claim it's place in the NEDRA record books.  Jim Husted's moveable brush rigging operated like it had always been there, and watching that simple lever make dramatic changes in motor RPM while hooked directly to the battery without a single contactor, pot, or other controller sure made me wonder why this trick wasn't standard practice.  The Siamese Eights weren't running yet, but laid out bare in all their copper glory, in between a shining Blue Meany and the quiet White Zombie.  The "Purple Phaze" Datsun minitruck project was awaiting it's fate in a corner of the driveway, rustily oblivious to the racing reincarnation that's coming soon.  It was all a bit much for a newbie to take in, and on the way to our next engagement, Tom kept shaking his head and saying, "You kept telling me, but some things just have to be seen"...
 
Signing off, 
Jay Donnaway
Vancouver WA
1971 "Karmann Eclectric" Ghia
 
 

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Hello Listers and Lurkers, 


Here's an EV Travelogue from this past weekend, so proceed at your leisure- if interested....






I just concluded a very EVentful weekend, beginning with the Friday delivery of 400 nicad cells to John Lussmyer on Whidbey Island.  The attractive log home holds a Cougar habitat that's bigger than my first apartment, and is home to a 70 lb purring kitten that I would've been happy to pet, if she hadn't been contentedly crunching on a chicken carcass at the moment!.... On to the EV shop. Cougar John's place is equipped with an arch-style building that could hold his entire fleet, and besides all the usual electrical paraphernalia, he's got a WWII vintage aircraft engine hoist that's perfect for straddling and lifting just about any vehicle EVer made, with it's 20-ton capacity chain hoist and elegantly simple wishbone design.  From the looks of things, Cougar should be able to show off a nicad-powered Sparrow in no time! ;-) 

 


We then rolled my much-relieved Ranger onward to Vancouver, BC for a rendezvous with Al Godfrey.  For those of you who haven't had the pleasure of meeting Al, he's the sort of  gentleman that anyone would've loved to have as a grandfather or neighbor.  From the open, yet cozy contemporary home of stone and timber overlooking the Fraser River valley that he and his wife Esther built with their own hands, to the remote-control ElecTrak that quietly grooms the lawn, the Godfrey estate oozes tranquility, until one glimpses the sinfully silver Porsche 928 lurking in the garage out back.   This immaculate car would fit in at any Porsche Concours, but the craftsmanship, fit and finish on his EV conversion would also be the envy of any amphead.  Of course, vehicular hygiene is helped a bit by the sano Siemens A/C setup from Victor and TWENTY-SIX sealed Optima blue top batteries that were so skillfully secreted away in the dark recesses of the 928, but juxtaposed against the three decades worth of groovy EV gizmos filling that old garage, the 928 looks more like it's emerging from the lair of a mad scientist than the humble workshop of a retired engineer.  


Unfortunately, some erratic battery behavior has the Porsche on a stress-free diet, and we were unable to unleash it's horses, but my EV Grin quickly reappeared with the arrival of Al's buddy from the boonies, Alan Cumberlidge, who stopped by in his handbuilt Plymouth Horizon for a battery boost before Saturday's show.  Seeing as how an overnight charge was forthcoming, we took a spirited drive around the neighborhood, showing that not only will that old Omni beat any original 25 year-old econoboxer on the road, but it will do so in silence, powered by an early "before they put the squeal in" Curtis controller.     


 


Saturday brought showers to Vancouver, but it didn't dampen the spirits of REV! participants, who put on a good showing despite the flukey weather.  What really makes this show a standout, (besides the rides in an immaculate 1912 Detroit Electric!) is the involvement at all levels of the hobby.  Electrathon racing continued in a seemingly endless cycle of circles on the short track (the winners completed 120+ laps!), while electric bicycle, scooter, and board buyers got test rides till all comers were satisfied.  Rich Rudman was there manning the charge trailer, but the Madman was a little jumpy amidst all the liquid humidity, hopping every time somebody clapped their hands or slammed a door with a quick "WHAT POPPED!"   He did get to blow off some steam by showing that Goldie brought more to the show than just a pretty face, by laying rubber all over the nice and clean electrathon track during an impromptu all-EV parade.  


 


After Saturday's excitement and a yawn-inducing trek home, Sunday brought an old friend into town.  Tom is a professor of Aeronautical Engineering and a test pilot at Mississippi State University, and though I had been telling him about this stuff for years, there's nothing like a visit to the Wayland Juice Bar to create a new EV Grin.  We stopped by John's place just in time to see the Yellow Monster unveiled.  It truly was amazing to see the handiwork that turned a junk-pile antique forklift motor into the dynamically-timed monster that will no doubt claim it's place in the NEDRA record books.  Jim Husted's moveable brush rigging operated like it had always been there, and watching that simple lever make dramatic changes in motor RPM while hooked directly to the battery without a single contactor, pot, or other controller sure made me wonder why this trick wasn't standard practice.  The Siamese Eights weren't running yet, but laid out bare in all their copper glory, in between a shining Blue Meany and the quiet White Zombie.  The "Purple Phaze" Datsun minitruck project was awaiting it's fate in a corner of the driveway, rustily oblivious to the racing reincarnation that's coming soon.  It was all a bit much for a newbie to take in, and on the way to our next engagement, Tom kept shaking his head and saying, "You kept telling me, but some things just have to be seen"...


 


Signing off, 


Jay Donnaway


Vancouver WA


1971 "Karmann Eclectric" Ghia


 


 


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Looks like we have close to the 100 of the LC-X1228P. I think we can  get 
them for 39.95 each plus shipping. I will call Fedco and Digi-Key and  see what 
they will do. I will hold off ordering until we know no one else would  like 
any.
 
Bryan 28
Tony 5 
 
_http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/Panasonic_VRLA_Ove
rview.pdf_ 
(http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/Panasonic_VRLA_Overview.pdf) 
 
 
Gary you want to get in on the low price? 
 
If anyone can find a better price for this size battery I would like to see  
it. The above link will give the information on it. Is there anyone in the  
Northwest that sells this battery? Seem odd that we have to have batteries  come 
from the East when the ships are unloading on the West coast.
 
Don
 
In a message dated 6/13/2005 11:02:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:

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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:18:35 -0700
From: Tony McCormick  
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Re: used  batteries
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Though I don't need a high quantity, I do need 5 of  those 28ah 
batteries, be happy to share the discount :-)

Tony  McCormick
"Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the  Sword"
see it all at: http://www.notebene.net 

I'm definitely  interested in getting together for the volume pricing. 
>  With  your 52 plus my 28, that gives us a total of 80 batteries for 
> the  order.  If Gary wants another 20-28 for the Insight, that would 
>  put us up to 100 easily.  What did they quote you for shipping?  It  
> seems that shipping through a regular freight trucking company  
> shouldn't be too bad with such a large order.  Since the bulk of  the 
> order is going to be yours, we should probably just have  everything 
> shipped to you and then I can drive up and haul my bunch  back down to 
> Eugene myself.






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Bryan 28


Tony 5 


 


http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/p=
df/Panasonic_VRLA_Overview.pdf


 


 


Gary you want to get in on the low price? 


 


If anyone can find a better price for this size battery I would like to=
 see=20
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Northwest that sells this battery? Seem odd that we have to have batter=
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come from the East when the ships are unloading on the West coast.

 


Don


 


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Though I don't need a high quantity, I do need=
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"Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the=20
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see it all at: http://www.notebene.net 

I'm definitely=20
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I just called Fedco and they are out of stock of the LC-X1228P. Digi-Key  has 
them and will still meet the 39.95 price for 100 I can add more when I place  
the order. The shipping is 5.18 for each battery without a dock. If we can 
find  a dock to have these unloaded at it will save about 100 dollars and make 
the  cost 4.14 for shipping each battery. I am guessing but if more are ordered 
the  shipping price may come down a little per battery.
 
Anyone is wondering where the price breaks are. The ten unit price is 49.95  
and forty is 46.62 one hundred twenty 43.29 and six hundred 39.96 plus 
shipping  and the shipping is more when doing a smaller amount of batteries.
 
This price is at the 600 unit pricing.
 
Two questions 
 
Does anyone else want to get these? 
 
Is there a dock we can use to unload at?
 
Don Blazer

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This price is at the 600 unit pricing.


 


Two questions 


 


Does anyone else want to get these? 


 


Is there a dock we can use to unload at?


 


Don Blazer


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I replied to Don off-list, but just to let you all know I *have* been
paying attention...

=20

I've been thinking seriously about them. I can fit 24 in my top battery
box, but 20 would give me 466 lbs, which is how much weight I have now.

My car can go anywhere from 120V to 400V, user programmable. (Lots of
parameters, such as max currents and regen voltages).=20

I'm using 14 Hawkers now for 168V. I would like to go up to 240V to have
the horsepower of the original car.

=20

Go ahead and count me in for 25 batteries.=20

=20

Gary

=20

=20

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=20

I just called Fedco and they are out of stock of the LC-X1228P. Digi-Key
has them and will still meet the 39.95 price for 100 I can add more when
I place the order. The shipping is 5.18 for each battery without a dock.
If we can find a dock to have these unloaded at it will save about 100
dollars and make the cost 4.14 for shipping each battery. I am guessing
but if more are ordered the shipping price may come down a little per
battery.

=20

Anyone is wondering where the price breaks are. The ten unit price is
49.95 and forty is 46.62 one hundred twenty 43.29 and six hundred 39.96
plus shipping and the shipping is more when doing a smaller amount of
batteries.

=20

This price is at the 600 unit pricing.

=20

Two questions=20

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Does anyone else want to get these?=20

=20

Is there a dock we can use to unload at?

=20

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I replied to Don off-list, but just =
to let
you all know I *have* =
been paying
attention…



 



I’ve been thinking seriously =
about
them. I can fit 24 in my top battery box, but 20 would give me 466 lbs, =
which
is how much weight I have now.



My car can go anywhere from 120V to =
400V,
user programmable. (Lots of parameters, such as max currents and regen
voltages). 



I’m using 14 Hawkers now for =
168V. I
would like to go up to 240V to have the horsepower of the original =
car.



 



Go ahead and count me in for 25 =
batteries.




 



Gary



 



 















From:
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Sent: Friday, June 17, =
2005 3:12
PM

To: =
oeva-list@oeva.org

Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: =
New
Panasonic batteries LC-X1228P






 






I just called =
Fedco
and they are out of stock of the LC-X1228P. Digi-Key has them and will =
still
meet the 39.95 price for 100 I can add more when I place the order. The
shipping is 5.18 for each battery without a dock. If we can find a dock =
to have
these unloaded at it will save about 100 dollars and make the cost 4.14 =
for
shipping each battery. I am guessing but if more are ordered the =
shipping price
may come down a little per battery.









 









Anyone is =
wondering
where the price breaks are. The ten unit price is 49.95 and forty is =
46.62 one
hundred twenty 43.29 and six hundred 39.96 plus shipping and the =
shipping
is more when doing a smaller amount of =
batteries.









 









This price is =
at the
600 unit pricing.









 









Two questions =










 









Does anyone =
else want
to get these? 









 









Is there a =
dock we can
use to unload at?









 









Don =
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We have 110 to order. 
 
Last call anyone else want some of these?
 
Ralph would it be possible to have these dropped ship at your business. We  
just need a dock and someone with a pallet jack or forklift. It is one  pallet 
with a double stack of batteries. I can get them out of your way the  same day 
they arrive.
 
Don
 
In a message dated 6/17/2005 12:05:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:

Looks  like we have close to the 100 of the LC-X1228P. I think we can  get  
them for 39.95 each plus shipping. I will call Fedco and Digi-Key  and  see 
what 
they will do. I will hold off ordering until we know no  one else would  like 
any.

Bryan 28
Tony 5 


 

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We have 110 to order. 


 


Last call anyone else want some of these?


 


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Don


 


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Don,

I'll check with the boss on Monday.  When would they arrive?  I'm pretty
sure there's pallet jack handy near the dock.

Ralph


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> with a double stack of batteries. I can get them out of your way the  same day 
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Hello Ralph
 
Great and Thank you.
 
I just ordered them. They come to Digi-Key shipped 120 to a pallet so  this 
worked out just right. Any more would have taken another Pallet.
 
Bryan 32
Gary 25
Tony 5
Don 58
 
Don Blazer
 
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rmerwin@aracnet.com writes:


Don,

Todd says it's OK to have the batteries delivered to  Sure Power's loading
dock.  The shipping address is:

Sure Power  Industries, Inc,
10955 SW Avery Street
Tualatin, OR   97062

This address is not our standard mailing address, and we don't  normally
get deliveries here either, but it should work.

My work  number is 503-612-7134.  Please have the driver call me when he
knows  when he'll be arriving so I can open the door and help  unload.

Ralph





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Great and Thank you.


 


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this worked out just right. Any more would have taken another Pallet.


 


Bryan 32


Gary 25


Tony 5


Don 58


 


Don Blazer


 


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Hello all,

I just wanted to let everyone know that the PSU Mini
Baja team is having an open house this Thursday.  This
is a single rider off-highway vehicle that we designed
and build and raced against 100+ other schools.

The reason I'm mentioning it here is because I think
it would be great to see an EV version of one of
these, or a hybrid one (I have a plan, but have yet to
learn enough to know if it'll work), or modify the
design to be more street friendly before turning it to
an EV.  It would be great if some of you guys can look
at it and I can bounce ideas off.  Total weight w/o
driver currently is around 500lbs.  You can find some
info on www.vikingracing.net

For the open house this Thursday, it will be at PSU's
Science Building 2 (corner of SW 10th and Montgomery)
room 155 at 6:30pm.  The vehicle will be on display
outside.  Please let me know if you're interested so I
can get enough pop and pizza.

Thanks,

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You guys gotta see my recently arrived Jet Electravan 600. I hope to drive it over to our July monthly meeting. It looks similar to this one on the EV photo album: 

http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/011.html

 

Mine has a 96v pack of 16 Trojan T105s. The charger just has a 220V "range" style plug, no 110V capability. The charger outputs 96V at 30amps max.

I was wondering........

-where to purchase a hydrometer? any particular make/model preferred?

-can anyone suggest a 110 charger? 



 

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You guys gotta see my recently arrived Jet Electravan 600. I hope to drive it over to our July monthly meeting. It looks similar to this one on the EV photo album: 


http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/011.html


 


Mine has a 96v pack of 16 Trojan T105s. The charger just has a 220V "range" style plug, no 110V capability. The charger outputs 96V at 30amps max.


I was wondering........


-where to purchase a hydrometer? any particular make/model preferred?


-can anyone suggest a 110 charger? 




 


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Not sure about a hydrometer-I prefer sealed batteries myself.=20

=20

However, on the charger, I think for 110V Rudman's PFC20/30 is highly
recommended.  For better isolation, use double contactors (one on each
lead) between the batteries and the motor. (This is good anyway, since
it provides redundancy in case your DC motor controller fails full
throttle and you need to do a high power emergency disconnect).=20

=20

The other really good (but expensive) is the Brusa, but it drops down to
1KW on 110V from the 3KW it gets at 240V.=20

=20

While its not as critical with flooded as it is with AGM's, some
regulators for each battery is also a good investment.

=20

Looking forward to seeing you in the Electravan...

=20

Gary

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=20

You guys gotta see my recently arrived Jet Electravan 600. I hope to
drive it over to our July monthly meeting. It looks similar to this one
on the EV photo album:=20

http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/011.html

=20

Mine has a 96v pack of 16 Trojan T105s. The charger just has a 220V
"range" style plug, no 110V capability. The charger outputs 96V at
30amps max.

I was wondering........

-where to purchase a hydrometer? any particular make/model preferred?

-can anyone suggest a 110 charger?=20

=20

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Not sure about a hydrometer—I =
prefer
sealed batteries myself. 



 



However, on the charger, I think =
for 110V
Rudman’s PFC20/30 is highly recommended.  For better =
isolation, use
double contactors (one on each lead) between the batteries and the =
motor. (This
is good anyway, since it provides redundancy in case your DC motor =
controller fails
full throttle and you need to do a high power emergency disconnect). =




 



The other really good (but =
expensive) is
the Brusa, but it drops down to 1KW on 110V from the 3KW it gets at =
240V. 



 



While its not as critical with =
flooded as
it is with AGM’s, some regulators for each battery is also a good
investment.



 



Looking forward to seeing you in =
the
Electravan…



 



Gary















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Of Mark Freidberg

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2005 8:42
AM

To: =
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Subject: [Oeva-list] New =
EV in
town






 















You guys
gotta see my recently arrived Jet Electravan 600. I hope to drive =
it over
to our July monthly meeting. It looks similar to this one on the EV =
photo
album: 



http://www.austinev.org=
/evalbum/011.html



 



Mine has
a 96v pack of 16 Trojan T105s. The charger just has a 220V =
"range"
style plug, no 110V capability. The charger outputs 96V at 30amps =
max.



I was
wondering........



-where to
purchase a hydrometer? any particular make/model =
preferred?



-can
anyone suggest a 110 charger? 



 



Mark
Freidberg
























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Hello Ralph
 
The batteries should be there 6-28 or 29 next week.
 
They are to call and ask for you before they deliver.
 
Thanks again
 
Don Blazer
 
 
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The batteries should be there 6-28 or 29 next week.


 


They are to call and ask for you before they deliver.


 


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Any takers?  My car is still motorless....
--Tony

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Date: 	Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:25:55 -0700
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To: 	



Hi Anthony,
Thanks so much for your help on the Clean Cars issue. I hope we can get you
to this Clean Cars event at the Legislature. We really want to get a range
of cars there (i.e. not just hybrids). FYI, we're making some progress in
the legislature: while the House voted the wrong way and included a
provision blocking the Governor's clean cars program in their budget bill,
we got three Republicans to vote the right way, and the Senate just voted
not to block the clean cars program. But we'll have to keep pushing them to
hold the line.

We're trying to pin down the best days now for a Clean Cars event in Salem.
Our timing has changed and we're doing it a bit later. Can you let me know
which of the following days might work for you? The event would be around
noon. 

Wed 6/29
Thurs 6/30
Fri 7/1
Tues 7/5
Wed 7/6
Thurs 7/7
Fri 7/8

I hope to hear from you soon,

Jeremiah Baumann
Clean Energy Advocate
OSPIRG
p.s. I'll get in touch with the electric vehicle owners association too,
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--Tony



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Hi Anthony,
Thanks so much for your help on the Clean Cars issue. I hope we can get you
to this Clean Cars event at the Legislature. We really want to get a range
of cars there (i.e. not just hybrids). FYI, we're making some progress in
the legislature: while the House voted the wrong way and included a
provision blocking the Governor's clean cars program in their budget bill,
we got three Republicans to vote the right way, and the Senate just voted
not to block the clean cars program. But we'll have to keep pushing them to
hold the line.

We're trying to pin down the best days now for a Clean Cars event in Salem.
Our timing has changed and we're doing it a bit later. Can you let me know
which of the following days might work for you? The event would be around
noon. 

Wed 6/29
Thurs 6/30
Fri 7/1
Tues 7/5
Wed 7/6
Thurs 7/7
Fri 7/8

I hope to hear from you soon,

Jeremiah Baumann
Clean Energy Advocate
OSPIRG
p.s. I'll get in touch with the electric vehicle owners association too,
thanks for the tip.







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Would anyone (Paul?) like to contact Jeremiah?  This related to the recent Clean Cars rally posting, but I thought I should pass this along since it was feedback from our web site.

His e-mail address is:
Jeremiah Baumann 

It would be nice if someone that could either attend or be willing to try to motivate other to do so could contact him.  If anyone contacts him, please let us know.  Maybe I'll remember to let him know that we aren't able to help if noone can contact him.

Thanks for whatever anyone can do!

--
Eric Johnson

feedback:
   Hi there. I'm new to OSPIRG, directing our energy policy programs. 
One of my first priorities is getting the governor to follow through on 
his pledge to bring the California Clean Cars program to Oregon. You 
probably know that part of that program would require automakers to put 
more electric vehicles on the road.

   We're organizing a Clean Cars event at the Capitol and I'm hoping 
that OEVA would help us out. We're looking to get drivers to bring 
their cars to the Capitol for a press event with legislators on a 
weekday between June 29 and July 8.

   You can contact me by email or at 503-231-4181 ext. 310.

   Jeremiah

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I'll plan on being there!

Gary

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Hello all,

I just wanted to let everyone know that the PSU Mini
Baja team is having an open house this Thursday.  This
is a single rider off-highway vehicle that we designed
and build and raced against 100+ other schools.

The reason I'm mentioning it here is because I think
it would be great to see an EV version of one of
these, or a hybrid one (I have a plan, but have yet to
learn enough to know if it'll work), or modify the
design to be more street friendly before turning it to
an EV.  It would be great if some of you guys can look
at it and I can bounce ideas off.  Total weight w/o
driver currently is around 500lbs.  You can find some
info on www.vikingracing.net

For the open house this Thursday, it will be at PSU's
Science Building 2 (corner of SW 10th and Montgomery)
room 155 at 6:30pm.  The vehicle will be on display
outside.  Please let me know if you're interested so I
can get enough pop and pizza.

Thanks,

Andre S

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PGE continues to be supportive of our organization, and these fairs
present an opportunity to return the favor as well as promote EV
awareness.
It would be great if we can provide a vehicle or two for each event. Of
course, it helps a lot of spread the burden around as these are during
the work day for most of us.

While we still have some time, I wanted to post this information early
so we would have to time to get organized. We can discuss this at our
next meeting.

Gary

PGE 2005 TRANSPORTATION FAIR SCHEDULE

Oregon City - 50 estimated attendance
Thursday, September 15
11:30am - 1:00pm
209 Warner-Milne Rd, Oregon City
Side parking lot
Setup: 10:30am

Tualatin Customer Center (TCC) - 100 estimated attendance
Thursday, September 22
11:00am - 1:00pm
7800 SW Mohawk St, Tualatin
Upper parking lot
Setup: 10:00am

World Trade Center - 125 estimated attendance
Tuesday, October 11
Noon - 1:00pm
Two World Trade Center
Plaza area
121 SW Salmon, Portland  
Setup: 11:30am

Portland Service Center (PSC) - 75 estimated attendance
Thursday, October 13
11:30am - 1:00pm
3700 SE 17th, Portland 
Back parking lot 
Setup: 11:00am


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The OEVA resources page mentions the charging station(s) at 121 SW Salmon include a 240v 14-50r receptacle. By the way, isn't there just one station there?

http://www.oeva.org/resources/

This page gives a pictorial of what the14-50r (and others) look like:

http://www.evchargernews.com/nemaconfig.htm

Reason I ask is that my charger has a 10-50p plug (also pictured at above link) and so I'd like to wire up an adapter and wanted to confirm that the charging station receptacle is actually a 14-50r. If someone already has an adapter they'd like to sell, let me know.

2. Regarding the receptacles under the WTC pavilion brick deck where we park and charge during our Thursday evening monthly meetings, are any of those 220-240v? If so, what type are they?

3. At times other then our monthly meetings, if a driver ever needs to charge and the curbside charging station or the parking spots next to it are taken, can the EVer charge on the pavilion area?

4. At our previous monthly meetings, mention has been made of another downtown charging station possibly located in a parking garage structure in the vicinity of Portland State University. What is the address of that facility and where is the charging station located within it?

 

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The OEVA resources page mentions the charging station(s) at 121 SW Salmon include a 240v 14-50r receptacle. By the way, isn't there just one station there?


http://www.oeva.org/resources/


This page gives a pictorial of what the14-50r (and others) look like:


http://www.evchargernews.com/nemaconfig.htm


Reason I ask is that my charger has a 10-50p plug (also pictured at above link) and so I'd like to wire up an adapter and wanted to confirm that the charging station receptacle is actually a 14-50r. If someone already has an adapter they'd like to sell, let me know.


2. Regarding the receptacles under the WTC pavilion brick deck where we park and charge during our Thursday evening monthly meetings, are any of those 220-240v? If so, what type are they?


3. At times other then our monthly meetings, if a driver ever needs to charge and the curbside charging station or the parking spots next to it are taken, can the EVer charge on the pavilion area?


4. At our previous monthly meetings, mention has been made of another downtown charging station possibly located in a parking garage structure in the vicinity of Portland State University. What is the address of that facility and where is the charging station located within it?


 


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Mark,
There are two parking spaces at 1st and Salmon, with a single pole on the curb between them.  On the pole is a two-sided box with separate circuits for each parking space.  GFI-protected 240V and 120V outlets, powered eeparately under control of a 120V-OFF-240V selector switch.  Each side has its own breakers, too.

The 240V outlets are indeed 14-50's.  I bought standard 14-50s at A-Boy for my cord.  Nothing special or unusual that I know of about any of it.

And, the parking and electricity is free while charging.

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Mark Freidberg writes:
> 
> The OEVA resources page mentions the charging station(s) at 121 SW Salmon
> include a 240v 14-50r receptacle. By the way, isn't there just one station
> there?

One pole with two pairs of outlets, one pair for each parking spot.  The
outlets are a 14-50 and a standard 120v.  The power switch for each pair
allows you to choose which outlet you want powered.


> 2. Regarding the receptacles under the WTC pavilion brick deck where we
> park and charge during our Thursday evening monthly meetings, are any of
> those 220-240v? If so, what type are they?

The underground outlets are 120v only.


> 3. At times other then our monthly meetings, if a driver ever needs to
> charge and the curbside charging station or the parking spots next to it
> are taken, can the EVer charge on the pavilion area?

No.

Ralph

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I have used the charging in the Smart Park at 2nd and Jefferson.

It is on the right wall as you enter from the South on Jefferson.

After not finding it on my first drive by, I asked the attendant if he 
knew where the PGE sponsored charging was, and he then showed me the 
spot. There are some reserved spaces for maintainance vehicles nearby, 
so you might want to talk to the attendant (I think I ended up in one of 
the reserved spots).

It costs you for parking, but it's a good overflow when both spots are 
taken. This seems to happen during the week.  (This is good!).

Gary
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I met a neighbor of mine yesterday who is a civil engineer for PGE....  
I chatted a bit with him about expanding the PGE sponsored charging into 
Metro Park-n-Rides.   He thought it was a good idea.   Perhaps he and 
our other contacts could help spread the thought around in the right 
places a PGE....

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The Smart park at First and Jefferson in downtown has the same style
charging station as the 121 sw salmon site.  It is located on the first
ramp to the right near the motorcycle parking.  
 
It usually is blocked by a gas car 
(A monthly parker parks there..&%%%^%%%&^%#*(*&%^).
 I think that everytime anyone is downtown with their ev they should
pull in, get a parking slip, find out that it is blocked and then
complain...
I heard there is one in the old town/china town area in another smart
park, but have never seen it.
 
A VP at Costco said he would be willing to work with users in the area
and put in charging stations in all the COSTCO, but it would take
customers asking about it.  They have them up in the  Seattle area.
 
I heard PSU was going to put one in, but not sure if it happened.
 
I understand that the current charging stations could not be installed
now, because the Electrical Code requires the charger device to
"communicate" to the car to verify that it is connected and not just be
a dumb recepticle.  To do it, would require a waiver from the electrical
inspector.  Might want to check that out.
 
 
 
 


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The OEVA resources page mentions the charging station(s) at 121 SW
Salmon include a 240v 14-50r receptacle. By the way, isn't there just
one station there?

http://www.oeva.org/resources/

This page gives a pictorial of what the14-50r (and others) look like:

http://www.evchargernews.com/nemaconfig.htm

Reason I ask is that my charger has a 10-50p plug (also pictured at
above link) and so I'd like to wire up an adapter and wanted to confirm
that the charging station receptacle is actually a 14-50r. If someone
already has an adapter they'd like to sell, let me know.

2. Regarding the receptacles under the WTC pavilion brick deck where we
park and charge during our Thursday evening monthly meetings, are any of
those 220-240v? If so, what type are they?

3. At times other then our monthly meetings, if a driver ever needs to
charge and the curbside charging station or the parking spots next to it
are taken, can the EVer charge on the pavilion area?

4. At our previous monthly meetings, mention has been made of another
downtown charging station possibly located in a parking garage structure
in the vicinity of Portland State University. What is the address of
that facility and where is the charging station located within it?



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Mark,
There are two parking spaces at 1st and Salmon, with a single pole on
the curb between them.  On the pole is a two-sided box with separate
circuits for each parking space.  GFI-protected 240V and 120V outlets,
powered eeparately under control of a 120V-OFF-240V selector switch. 
Each side has its own breakers, too.

The 240V outlets are indeed 14-50's.  I bought standard 14-50s at A-Boy
for my cord.  Nothing special or unusual that I know of about any of
it.

And, the parking and electricity is free while charging.

--
Eric Johnson
PEVA Co-Chair



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From: Ralph Merwin 
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Questions about charging downtown
To: mark58150@yahoo.com (Mark Freidberg)
Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org
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Mark Freidberg writes:
> 
> The OEVA resources page mentions the charging station(s) at 121 SW
Salmon
> include a 240v 14-50r receptacle. By the way, isn't there just one
station
> there?

One pole with two pairs of outlets, one pair for each parking spot. 
The
outlets are a 14-50 and a standard 120v.  The power switch for each
pair
allows you to choose which outlet you want powered.


> 2. Regarding the receptacles under the WTC pavilion brick deck where
we
> park and charge during our Thursday evening monthly meetings, are any
of
> those 220-240v? If so, what type are they?

The underground outlets are 120v only.


> 3. At times other then our monthly meetings, if a driver ever needs
to
> charge and the curbside charging station or the parking spots next to
it
> are taken, can the EVer charge on the pavilion area?

No.

Ralph


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It usually is blocked by a gas car 


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 I think that everytime anyone is downtown with their ev they =
should pull in, get a parking slip, find out that it is blocked and then =
complain...


I heard there is one in the old town/china town area in =
another smart park, but have never seen it.


 


A VP at Costco said he would be willing to work with users in the =
area and put in charging stations in all the COSTCO, but it would take =
customers asking about it.  They have them up in the  Seattle =
area.


 


I heard PSU was going to put one in, but not sure if it happened.

 


I understand that the current charging stations could not be =
installed now, because the Electrical Code requires the charger device to =
"communicate" to the car to verify that it is connected and not just be a =
dumb recepticle.  To do it, would require a waiver from the electrical=
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Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:11:09 GMT
From: "Eric Johnson =
<ejts@comcast.net>" <ejts@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: =
[Oeva-list] Questions about charging downtown
To: oeva-list@oeva.org
=
Message-ID: <20050625.141141.3631.228354@webmail31.nyc.untd.com>
C=
ontent-Type: text/plain


Mark,
There are two parking spaces =
at 1st and Salmon, with a single pole on the curb between them.  On =
the pole is a two-sided box with separate circuits for each parking =
space.  GFI-protected 240V and 120V outlets, powered eeparately under =
control of a 120V-OFF-240V selector switch.  Each side has its own =
breakers, too.

The 240V outlets are indeed 14-50's.  I bought =
standard 14-50s at A-Boy for my cord.  Nothing special or unusual =
that I know of about any of it.

And, the parking and electricity is =
free while charging.

--
Eric Johnson
PEVA Co-Chair


=

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Jun =
2005 14:47:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ralph Merwin <rmerwin@aracnet.com>=

Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Questions about charging downtown
To: =
mark58150@yahoo.com (Mark Freidberg)
Cc: oeva-list@oeva.org
Message-I=
D: <200506252147.j5PLlQoP017125@onyx.spiritone.com>
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text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii

Mark Freidberg writes:
> =

> The OEVA resources page mentions the charging station(s) at 121 =
SW Salmon
> include a 240v 14-50r receptacle. By the way, isn't =
there just one station
> there?

One pole with two pairs of =
outlets, one pair for each parking spot.  The
outlets are a 14-50 =
and a standard 120v.  The power switch for each pair
allows you to =
choose which outlet you want powered.


> 2. Regarding the =
receptacles under the WTC pavilion brick deck where we
> park and =
charge during our Thursday evening monthly meetings, are any of
> =
those 220-240v? If so, what type are they?

The underground outlets =
are 120v only.


> 3. At times other then our monthly =
meetings, if a driver ever needs to
> charge and the curbside =
charging station or the parking spots next to it
> are taken, can =
the EVer charge on the pavilion area?

No.

Ralph


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Don,

The batteries have arrived are are sitting on our loading dock.  I had
expected them to come to the engineering building so they would be out
of the way, but they delivered them to the regular shipping dock.  So
we need to move these ASAP!

I can load some into my pickup, but I can't carry all of them.

Ralph
503-612-7134 (work)


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> Thanks again
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> Don Blazer
>  
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Hello Ralph

> 
 

> 
The batteries should be there 6-28 or 29 next week.

> 
 

> 
They are to call and ask for you before they deliver.

> 
 

> 
Thanks again

> 
 

> 
Don Blazer

> 
 

> 
 

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Don, Gary,

Thanks for coming by on such short notice to collect the batteries.

Ralph


Ralph Merwin writes:
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> 
> Don,
> 
> The batteries have arrived are are sitting on our loading dock.  I had
> expected them to come to the engineering building so they would be out
> of the way, but they delivered them to the regular shipping dock.  So
> we need to move these ASAP!
> 
> I can load some into my pickup, but I can't carry all of them.
> 
> Ralph
> 503-612-7134 (work)
> 
> 
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> > Hello Ralph
> >  
> > The batteries should be there 6-28 or 29 next week.
> >  
> > They are to call and ask for you before they deliver.
> >  
> > Thanks again
> >  
> > Don Blazer
> >  
> >  
> > In a message dated 6/18/2005 12:01:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
> > oeva-list-request@oeva.org writes:
> > 
> > Message:  1
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> > 
Hello Ralph

> > 
 

> > 
The batteries should be there 6-28 or 29 next week.

> > 
 

> > 
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> > 
 

> > 
Thanks again

> > 
 

> > 
Don Blazer

> > 
 

> > 
 

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Forwarded by Tony McCormick.   Since I sent the rest of the info, I thought I should follow up.
===============================================================================================


More than 1100 people asked their Representatives to stop a back door effort to block our Clean Cars program - thank you to everyone who took action!  As a result of those emails, three House Republicans voted to support the Clean Cars program against the wishes of their party and the Senate refused to include the anti-Clean Cars provision in their budget.

Now the auto industry is pulling out all the stops, pressuring the legislature to block Clean Cars any way they can.

If every Senator stands strong and refuses to change their vote, we will win this round of the campaign. Please take a moment to tell your Senator to stand up to the auto industry and vote against any bill that would block the Clean Cars program. Then ask your friends and family to do the same, by forwarding this email to them.

To take action, click here or paste this link into your browser:
http://pirg.org/alerts/route.asp?id=1109&id4=ES

            
BACKGROUND

Governor Kulongoski has called for Oregon to adopt the Clean Cars program created in California. This program would be good for the environment and good for the economy. The Clean Cars program would set strong emissions standards for cars, including for global warming pollution, and require that a percentage of vehicles sold be advanced-technology or zero-emissions vehicles, such as hybrids. That means tens of thousands more advanced-technology cars and trucks for Oregonians. Detroit has the technology right now to make cleaner cars, but their availability to Oregonians is limited.

Limiting global warming pollution from cars is critically important; there's now scientific consensus that global warming is starting to change Oregon. Sea levels on parts on the central and northern Oregon Coast are rising and snowpack in the Cascades is shrinking, leading to reduced river flows and less water available for irrigation, hydropower, and salmon migration. The Clean Cars program requires cars to emit 30% less global warming pollution starting in 2009.

Unfortunately, the auto industry is pressuring hard to stop the Governor from adopting this great program. They convinced the Oregon House of Representatives to pass a provision, tucked into the budget for the Department of Environmental Quality, prohibiting the Governor's administration from implementing the Clean Cars program. However, after more than 1,100 Oregonians emailed their legislators, three Republicans voted against that budget in the House, and the Senate refused to include a similar provision in their version of the budget.

Now the auto industry is increasing the pressure to get their provision passed any way they can. And in the final weeks of the legislative session, all sorts of deals get made behind closed doors. 

If every Senator stands strong and refuses to change their vote, we will win this round of the campaign. Please take a moment to tell your Senator to stand up to the auto industry and vote against any bill that would shut it down. Then ask your friends and family to do the same, by forwarding this email.

To take action, click here or paste this link into your browser:
http://pirg.org/alerts/route.asp?id=1109&id4=ES

Sincerely, 

Maureen Kirk
OSPIRG Executive Director
MaureenK@ospirg.org
http://www.OSPIRG.org

P.S.  Thanks again for your support.  Please feel free to share this e-mail with your family and friends.

-- 
Tony McCormick
"Drive Electric, Play Bluegrass, Learn the way of the Sword"
see it all at: http://www.notebene.net 


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This is great!
What I have to wonder is why any politician in Oregon would be against it.
I'm just ignorant of the Oregon auto industry in general - are there
manufacturers who could pull strings and shut down plants in retaliation? I
can understand the automakers wouldn't want something like this passed for
economic reasons that it might hit their pocketbooks, but what kind of
pressure can they really exert in Oregon? Or is it more of an agenda thing
to follow party line or something like that?

Just curious...

Thanks
JRAB


On 6/30/05 5:03 PM, "Tony McCormick"  wrote:

> Forwarded by Tony McCormick.   Since I sent the rest of the info, I thought I
> should follow up.
> ==============================================================================
> =================
> 
> 
> More than 1100 people asked their Representatives to stop a back door effort
> to block our Clean Cars program - thank you to everyone who took action!  As a
> result of those emails, three House Republicans voted to support the Clean
> Cars program against the wishes of their party and the Senate refused to
> include the anti-Clean Cars provision in their budget.
> 
> Now the auto industry is pulling out all the stops, pressuring the legislature
> to block Clean Cars any way they can.
> 
> If every Senator stands strong and refuses to change their vote, we will win
> this round of the campaign. Please take a moment to tell your Senator to stand
> up to the auto industry and vote against any bill that would block the Clean
> Cars program. Then ask your friends and family to do the same, by forwarding
> this email to them.
> 
> To take action, click here or paste this link into your browser:
> http://pirg.org/alerts/route.asp?id=1109&id4=ES
> 
>           
> BACKGROUND
> 
> Governor Kulongoski has called for Oregon to adopt the Clean Cars program
> created in California. This program would be good for the environment and good
> for the economy. The Clean Cars program would set strong emissions standards
> for cars, including for global warming pollution, and require that a
> percentage of vehicles sold be advanced-technology or zero-emissions vehicles,
> such as hybrids. That means tens of thousands more advanced-technology cars
> and trucks for Oregonians. Detroit has the technology right now to make
> cleaner cars, but their availability to Oregonians is limited.
> 
> Limiting global warming pollution from cars is critically important; there's
> now scientific consensus that global warming is starting to change Oregon. Sea
> levels on parts on the central and northern Oregon Coast are rising and
> snowpack in the Cascades is shrinking, leading to reduced river flows and less
> water available for irrigation, hydropower, and salmon migration. The Clean
> Cars program requires cars to emit 30% less global warming pollution starting
> in 2009.
> 
> Unfortunately, the auto industry is pressuring hard to stop the Governor from
> adopting this great program. They convinced the Oregon House of
> Representatives to pass a provision, tucked into the budget for the Department
> of Environmental Quality, prohibiting the Governor's administration from
> implementing the Clean Cars program. However, after more than 1,100 Oregonians
> emailed their legislators, three Republicans voted against that budget in the
> House, and the Senate refused to include a similar provision in their version
> of the budget.
> 
> Now the auto industry is increasing the pressure to get their provision passed
> any way they can. And in the final weeks of the legislative session, all sorts
> of deals get made behind closed doors.
> 
> If every Senator stands strong and refuses to change their vote, we will win
> this round of the campaign. Please take a moment to tell your Senator to stand
> up to the auto industry and vote against any bill that would shut it down.
> Then ask your friends and family to do the same, by forwarding this email.
> 
> To take action, click here or paste this link into your browser:
> http://pirg.org/alerts/route.asp?id=1109&id4=ES
> 
> Sincerely, 
> 
> Maureen Kirk
> OSPIRG Executive Director
> MaureenK@ospirg.org
> http://www.OSPIRG.org
> 
> P.S.  Thanks again for your support.  Please feel free to share this e-mail
> with your family and friends.


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Hi,

Dave Salzman and I attended the St. Helens River City Parade, they are
generous in giving out ribbons, the weather was good, and we had many
inquires/questions.  

The Hillsboro 4th of July Parade is this Monday.  I have signed up for up
to 5 vehicles and 6 people to be in the parade.  I have only 3 confirmed,
and 1 tentative planning to attend.  Any more wanting to be in the
parade?

I contracted Jeremiah Baumann about the OSPIRG rally in Salem and he
responded with:

We've actually decided, for strategic reasons, to postpone the event a
few weeks (despite a good number of OSPIRG members and others who
expressed interest in attending). Our new plan is to do the event once
the Governor takes the next steps to implement the Clean Cars program. 

In the meantime, I had two thoughts:
1--Does OEVA hold any kind of regular meetings? I'd be happy to do a
short presentation to update people on what exactly the program would do
and what it will take to get it implemented.
2--Is there someone from OEVA that acts as spokesperson and would write
a letter to the editor of the Oregonian? We do want to get some press
while the legislature is in session.

Paul Burkey
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I'm interested in doing an EV passenger car conversion. I've done quite =
a bit of research online and have read "Convert it", but am having a =
little trouble putting the answers together. I live near Canby. Here is =
a description of the car and what I'd like to be able to do. Is this =
realistic with current technology? What kind of money would I expect to =
need to invest out for this? What battery technology would be best. If =
if my target vehicle is not realistic (or affordable), which factors =
would need to change to make it realistic and by how much?
  a.. Compact sedan, seats 4 (Metro, Mazda 323/Protoge,  or something =
similar)
  b.. Sealed batteries (I'm worried about gassing during charging and =
that I'll forget to top them off)
  c.. Safe and simple enough to operate that my non-technical wife can =
drive it without extensive training about pulling circuit breakers, =
using fire extinguishers and monitoring several gauges, and that if she =
drives within range, she doesn't have to worry about being stranded. =
She'd be willing to learn about being light on the gas or pulse/coast =
driving, that sort of thing, but I don't want her to be scared of the =
car.
  d.. Regenerative braking (OK, this isn't absolutely necesssary but =
would be nice)
  e.. Heater that will keep my windows from fogging/icing
  f.. Air conditioning would be nice, but not a necessity
Performance characteristics: (These would be a "minimum," so imagine =
driving at night when the temperature is a (rare) 20 degrees day in =
January here in the valley, and not just when the batteries are brand =
new. But the batteries are fully-charged on a home 240V circuit.)
  a.. Can reliably do a 70 mile round-trip from here (outside of Canby) =
to most of Portland and back without recharging. There are some mild =
hills on the route, but I don't have to climb over the West Hills.
  b.. Can accelerate and brake fast enough to be safe on the I-5 portion =
of the trip (about 18 miles each way)
Once I'd select batteries, I'd want to estimate charging costs and =
battery cost/life, but I don't think I'm ready for that yet. Finally, =
I'm technically-minded, and once changed a clutch in a Maxima, but not =
extremely mechanical, so I'll probably need a kit, and possibly some =
advice/consulting. I do have some more mechanically inclined friends who =
are likely to help with things. Are there commercially available kits =
group members are familiar with that I should consider? Local businesses =
that I should visit?

Thanks in advance,
Jason

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  • Can accelerate and brake fast enough =
to be safe on=20
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It's time again for our monthly meeting.

Thursday, July 14, 2005.

All is per normal. Gathering starts at 7:00PM and the meeting starts at 7:30PM.  2 World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The streetside charging will also be available just across 1st Ave.

We should have reports on recent events.  EV Awareness Day and the NEDRA Nationals at Woodburn in September will also be of interest.

Support for EV owners should be topic of continuing interest.

Please feel free to bring both information and questions (and vehicles!).

See you there!
Eric Johnson
OEVA Co-chair


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Where to start....  You ask a lot of questions that I have heard many =
people ask.  And like most people you start with expectations that seem =
reasonable, but are probably not realistic for a first time conversion.  =
Unless you have a tremendous amount of money to spend you are not going =
to find a set of batteries that is going to get you 70 mile useable =
range.

I would recommend you look at www.evalbum.com and see what similar cars =
are using for batteries and getting for range.

For sealed lead acid systems (like Optimas) one might expect max range =
to be about 20-25 miles.  A double string of Optimas (2 times the # of =
batteries) can increase your range, but you have to find room for all =
those batteries.
For flooded batteries (golf cart batteries) I would expect the max range =
to be about 40-50 miles.  But this means you have to water the =
batteries.  And performance in my opinion isn't that great.  I did =
flooded batteries once, I won't do it again.
And when I say max range, I mean max.  Useable range is about half these =
numbers.  If you want the batteries to last.
There are more exotic batteries out there if you are willing to spend =
the money.  But I wouldn't recommend any of these to a newcomer.

Most people use DC motors.  These are the cheaper solution, but they =
also lack some features (no regenerative braking for example).
AC motor systems are real nice, but cost a bit more... See our local =
source www.metricmind.com.  Also the AC systems tend towards higher =
voltage systems which makes battery selection a bit more complicated.

Air conditioning if fairly rare in EV conversions.  It would suck to =
much of an already precious resource (battery power).  Electric heat is =
fairly common though.

A well done conversion can be driven by anyone.  A poorly done one can =
be a rolling science experiment.  I suppose the same could hold true for =
an ICE based vehicle as well.

I would highly recommend the purchase of a vehicle that has already been =
converted.  Get your feet wet and get an understanding of what to =
expect.  Check out the trading post which can be found using the EV =
album link above.  My experience has been that conversions tend to hold =
their value fairly well.  So can always resell the vehicle when you are =
ready to do your own conversion.

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Chris Brune

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jason Gingerich=20
  To: oeva-list@oeva.org=20
  Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 4:03 PM
  Subject: [Oeva-list] Conversion hopes realistic


  I'm interested in doing an EV passenger car conversion. I've done =
quite a bit of research online and have read "Convert it", but am having =
a little trouble putting the answers together. I live near Canby. Here =
is a description of the car and what I'd like to be able to do. Is this =
realistic with current technology? What kind of money would I expect to =
need to invest out for this? What battery technology would be best. If =
if my target vehicle is not realistic (or affordable), which factors =
would need to change to make it realistic and by how much?
    a.. Compact sedan, seats 4 (Metro, Mazda 323/Protoge,  or something =
similar)
    b.. Sealed batteries (I'm worried about gassing during charging and =
that I'll forget to top them off)=20
    c.. Safe and simple enough to operate that my non-technical wife can =
drive it without extensive training about pulling circuit breakers, =
using fire extinguishers and monitoring several gauges, and that if she =
drives within range, she doesn't have to worry about being stranded. =
She'd be willing to learn about being light on the gas or pulse/coast =
driving, that sort of thing, but I don't want her to be scared of the =
car.=20
    d.. Regenerative braking (OK, this isn't absolutely necesssary but =
would be nice)=20
    e.. Heater that will keep my windows from fogging/icing=20
    f.. Air conditioning would be nice, but not a necessity
  Performance characteristics: (These would be a "minimum," so imagine =
driving at night when the temperature is a (rare) 20 degrees day in =
January here in the valley, and not just when the batteries are brand =
new. But the batteries are fully-charged on a home 240V circuit.)
    a.. Can reliably do a 70 mile round-trip from here (outside of =
Canby) to most of Portland and back without recharging. There are some =
mild hills on the route, but I don't have to climb over the West Hills.=20
    b.. Can accelerate and brake fast enough to be safe on the I-5 =
portion of the trip (about 18 miles each way)
  Once I'd select batteries, I'd want to estimate charging costs and =
battery cost/life, but I don't think I'm ready for that yet. Finally, =
I'm technically-minded, and once changed a clutch in a Maxima, but not =
extremely mechanical, so I'll probably need a kit, and possibly some =
advice/consulting. I do have some more mechanically inclined friends who =
are likely to help with things. Are there commercially available kits =
group members are familiar with that I should consider? Local businesses =
that I should visit?

  Thanks in advance,
  Jason



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Where to start....  You ask a lot =
of questions=20
that I have heard many people ask.  And like most people you start =
with=20
expectations that seem reasonable, but are probably not realistic for a =
first=20
time conversion.  Unless you have a tremendous amount of money to =
spend you=20
are not going to find a set of batteries that is going to get you 70 =
mile=20
useable range.


 


I would recommend you look at www.evalbum.com and see what similar =
cars are=20
using for batteries and getting for range.


 


For sealed lead acid systems (like =
Optimas) one=20
might expect max range to be about 20-25 miles.  A double =
string of=20
Optimas (2 times the # of batteries) can increase your range, but you =
have to=20
find room for all those batteries.


For flooded batteries (golf cart =
batteries) I would=20
expect the max range to be about 40-50 miles.  But this means you =
have to=20
water the batteries.  And performance in my opinion isn't that =
great. =20
I did flooded batteries once, I won't do it again.


And when I say max range, I mean =
max.  Useable=20
range is about half these numbers.  If you want the batteries to=20
last.


There are more exotic =
batteries out there if=20
you are willing to spend the money.  But I wouldn't recommend any =
of these=20
to a newcomer.


 


Most people use DC motors.  These =
are the=20
cheaper solution, but they also lack some features (no regenerative =
braking for=20
example).


AC motor systems are real nice, but =
cost a bit=20
more... See our local source www.metricmind.com.  Also =
the AC=20
systems tend towards higher voltage systems which makes battery =
selection a bit=20
more complicated.


 


Air conditioning if fairly rare in EV=20
conversions.  It would suck to much of an already precious resource =

(battery power).  Electric heat is fairly common =
though.


 


A well done conversion can be driven by =

anyone.  A poorly done one can be a rolling science =
experiment.  I=20
suppose the same could hold true for an ICE based vehicle as =
well.


 


I would highly recommend the purchase =
of a vehicle=20
that has already been converted.  Get your feet wet and get an=20
understanding of what to expect.  Check out the trading post which =
can be=20
found using the EV album link above.  My experience has been that=20
conversions tend to hold their value fairly well.  So can always =
resell the=20
vehicle when you are ready to do your own conversion.


 


Hope this helps.


Regards,


Chris Brune


 


  
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  Jason =
Gingerich=20


  
  
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 =
4:03 PM

  
Subject: [Oeva-list] Conversion =
hopes=20
  realistic

  


  
I'm interested in doing an EV =
passenger car=20
  conversion. I've done quite a bit of research online and have read =
"Convert=20
  it", but am having a little trouble putting the answers together. I =
live near=20
  Canby. Here is a description of the car and what I'd like to be able =
to do. Is=20
  this realistic with current technology? What kind of =
money would I=20
  expect to need to invest out for this? What battery technology would =
be best.=20
  If if my target vehicle is not realistic (or affordable), =
which=20
  factors would need to change to make it realistic and by how=20
much?

  
    
    
  • 
    
    Compact sedan, seats 4 (Metro, =
Mazda=20
    323/Protoge,  or something similar)
    
    
  • Sealed batteries (I'm worried about =
gassing=20
    during charging and that I'll forget to top them off)=20
    
  • Safe and simple enough to operate =
that my=20
    non-technical wife can drive it without extensive training about =
pulling=20
    circuit breakers, using fire extinguishers and monitoring =
several=20
    gauges, and that if she drives within range, she doesn't have to =
worry about=20
    being stranded. She'd be willing to learn about being light on the =
gas or=20
    pulse/coast driving, that sort of thing, but I don't want her to be =
scared=20
    of the car.=20
    
  • Regenerative braking (OK, this isn't =
absolutely=20
    necesssary but would be nice)=20
    
  • Heater that will keep my windows =
from=20
    fogging/icing=20
    
  • Air conditioning would be nice, but =
not a=20
    necessity

  
Performance characteristics: (These =
would be a=20
  "minimum," so imagine driving at night when the temperature is a =
(rare) 20=20
  degrees day in January here in the valley, and not just when the =
batteries are=20
  brand new. But the batteries are fully-charged on a home 240V=20
  circuit.)

  
    
    
  • Can reliably do a 70 mile round-trip =
from here=20
    (outside of Canby) to most of Portland and back without recharging. =
There=20
    are some mild hills on the route, but I don't have to climb over the =
West=20
    Hills.=20
    
  • Can accelerate and brake fast enough =
to be safe=20
    on the I-5 portion of the trip (about 18 miles each =
way)

  
Once I'd select batteries, I'd want =
to estimate=20
  charging costs and battery cost/life, but I don't think I'm ready for =
that=20
  yet. Finally, I'm technically-minded, and once changed a clutch in a =
Maxima,=20
  but not extremely mechanical, so I'll probably need a kit, and =
possibly some=20
  advice/consulting. I do have some more mechanically inclined friends =
who are=20
  likely to help with things. Are there commercially available kits =
group=20
  members are familiar with that I should consider? Local businesses =
that I=20
  should visit?

  
 

  
Thanks in advance,

  
Jason

  
 

  

  


  
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Hi All

I spend a lot of time lurking I'm certainly not up to the speed most of =
you are, but I thought I could give some insight to this particular =
message from my own experience. So please forgive any technical errors I =
might impale upon you.
For the longest time I wanted to become an EV owner, spent money on =
books, built an electric bicycle and reworked a 24 volt scooter, my =
finest project was for my mother when she had terminal cancer and was =
limited on how well she could get around, I found a trashed mobility =
scooter and rebuilt and modified it better than new, it was a fairly =
late model scooter its owner must have passed away and was used as a =
backup scooter at a retirement home. It got great range and was =
driveable by anyone. I learned a lot from these projects and most =
importantly I learned that trying to estimate what the cost was going to =
be for any project should be best padded by double what you think its =
going to cost.
During the dot com boom in 2000 my companies stock soared and I found =
myself with a serious bag o money. I knew the time was right for my =
electric car, at that time I was fully committed to purchasing a =
Sparrow, had the cash was hot and ready for a bright red bird, =
unfortunately Mr. Corbin could not produce enough to meet the demand and =
to top that off most if not all had enough problems that Corbin motors =
were spending more time repairing more than they were making new.
This was becoming a big disappointment for me as the dot com had peaked =
and I needed to do something now or lose what I had, I started calling =
on a regular basis and finally one day actually got to talk to Mr. =
Corbin himself. It was a nice conversation and he pointed me to a dealer =
in Seattle that had one for sale and explained that I would have to get =
on the list and wait, but not to fear the next generation would be worth =
the wait. What he was saying in the politest way possible "You'll have =
to wait"=20
Tell that to my stock options, well the Sparrow was out and options were =
sinking, I sold what I could paid the penalties and put the money in =
savings, good thing because everything went down the tubes really =
quickly and many of my coworkers who thought I was foolish to bail out =
were left with very little.
Moving on I knew there wasn't enough to build from scratch so I started =
looking for used, and what I found was also disappointing, any Used EV =
that was worth much was sold in short order and what was left was =
peoples projects that were well failures, lots of good parts but perhaps =
poor choices of donor cars or older conversions that weren't really =
roadable any longer. I was now really disappointed. (Translation if you =
find a deal buy it because someone else win if you don't)
But not to make you give up before you even start, I can say I came =
across my car at the annual City of Eugene auto auction, a 1987 Mazda =
pickup. Took a day off and drove down to look at it, I wasn't able to =
drive it but was able to talk with the manager who headed up the =
project, it looked right and all I had to do was make the right bid. So =
I wrote my secret bid on the form, but noticed another man looking over =
my shoulder as I was writing my bid. I stuffed my bid in the box and =
walked to my car, sat down and decided I should up my bid so I walked =
back and made out another bid form for a few hundred dollars more and =
satisfied I went home, had to wait for 3 days until they called I had =
won the bid but the manager I had talked to asked me why I had put in a =
second bid, turns out my first bid lost by $50 however my second bid =
just barely beat out a second bidder.
I found a towing company that was very reasonable and had the car towed =
back to Portland, after a couple of days of checking batteries, =
connectors and all the things that let out smoke I was on the road.
The battery pack under the bed of the truck were 20 Trojan T120's and =
they had seen a couple of rough years usage,  my best range was about 20 =
miles and on average 15 miles was normal, I believe with a new pack I'd =
get 35 to 40 miles. The conversion was done by the city of Eugene =
maintenance crew and I will say as nice as any convers