[Oeva-list] charging locations & Hybrids

Theoldcars at aol.com Theoldcars at aol.com
Mon Sep 5 13:38:58 PDT 2005


 
I believe Ralph is correct on this information. It is the same as what I  
have heard and it makes sense.
 
Rick I would like any information of a contact person at Costco your  talking 
about. 
 
About Hybrids. I think the best thing to do is shoot them on sight!
 
Just kidding 
 
Hybrids are making better use of a depleting resource. Any thing that helps  
us send less money to the people who want to kill us, balance of  trade, less 
pollution cannot be a bad thing. And with just adding a  larger battery and 
charger to could be driving almost all electric for short  trips.
 
I have no problems with Hybrids except one issue. They are confusing the  
public and even most the owners of them. Now 99.9 percent of the  public do not 
understand what an electric car is. Other than that I think  it is a big step 
in the right direction. If someone is plugged in I would be  overjoyed to see 
that they are using the grid. I would be happy lose a  parking spot to anyone 
charging no matter what else have as a power source in  the vehicle. It happens 
to me every time I go down town during the weekdays in.  I am disappointed I 
cannot charge but happy to see that someone else is driving  electric and that 
is good enough for me.
 
I would just like to see more places to charge both 110 and 220.
 
Don Blazer
 
 
 
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1. Re: Re: Oeva-list  Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2 (Ralph  Merwin)


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Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:43:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ralph Merwin  <rmerwin at aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest,  Vol 23, Issue 2
To: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst)
Cc:  oeva-list at oeva.org
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Rick Durst writes:
> 
> A  couple of issues.     
> We need 120v and 240 volt plugin  locations.  The EAA charger like at
> the WTC, I am told no longer  meets code, as current electrical code
> requires the charger to  communicate with the car.  This "Safety" issue
> was probably added  to discourage home conversions and add to the price
> of  conversions.  We would need to get a variance.   

The  requirement is not about "communication", but that "all parts made
live be  inaccessible".  This means that any metal pin or socket that
carries  AC voltage must be physically covered or enclosed when the
mating pieces  are removed.  This also applies to electric vehicle
charging stations  only.  RV outlets are legal, 120v or 240v.

The inductive approach  has no exposed metal parts, so there are no parts
to cover or  enclose.  They are always covered.

The conductive handle sold  under the name Avcon solves the problem with
a sliding cover on the handle  and another in the vehicle inlet.  The
covers cannot be moved without  pressing little release buttons, a casual
observer would not be able to  access the metal parts.

Note that a 120v outlet with GFI meets code, so  at a minimum a station
could have a couple of GFI protected 120v  outlets.  Not the best but
far better than what we have  now.


> If the plug in hybrids come to pass, we will need to  figure out how to
> exclude them from EV parking spots, maybe make sure  spots are designated
> EV not plug in Hybrid..., since they don't really  need to plug in at all
> of the prime locations.  Thoughts on  this??

A plug-in hybrid would be welcome (in my opinion), but would get  a
parking ticket since the meter readers are trained to look up  a
vehicle's registered fuel type and ticket any that are not  registered
as electric and any of those that are not actively  charging.  The DMV
would need a new fuel type that indicated partially  electric, and the
meter readers would need to be trained to allow that type  too.

Ralph




From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org on behalf of Rick Durst
Sent: Fri  9/2/2005 12:51 PM
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] Re:  Oeva-list Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2


COSTCO Charging Locations:

I  have contacted COSTCO in the past about putting in charging stations at 
their  locations.  They are willing to do so, will not charge for parking or the 
 electricity, but they want to see the involvement of either the local 
utility,  or a big enough group to make the publicity and use of the locations worth 
their  efforts.

I am not sure if the VP is still in charge of it that I worked  with, but 
with some digging, I can get his contact info.  He is the proud  owner of a GM 
EV-1 which he (at one point would loan to me if I paid the  transportation 
to/from Kirkland, Wa.)

Charging locations and a mapquest  link would be excellent. 

A couple of issues.     
We  need 120v and 240 volt plugin locations.  The EAA charger like at the 
WTC,  I am told no longer meets code, as current electrical code requires the 
charger  to communicate with the car.  This "Safety" issue was probably added to  
discourage home conversions and add to the price of conversions.  We would  
need to get a variance.   

If the plug in hybrids come to pass,  we will need to figure out how to 
exclude them from EV parking spots, maybe make  sure spots are designated EV not 
plug in Hybrid..., since they don't really need  to plug in at all of the prime 
locations.  Thoughts on  this??
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