[Oeva-list] charging locations & Hybrids
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Theoldcars at aol.com
Mon Sep 5 13:38:58 PDT 2005
I believe Ralph is correct on this information. It is the same as what I
have heard and it makes sense.
Rick I would like any information of a contact person at Costco your talking
About Hybrids. I think the best thing to do is shoot them on sight!
Hybrids are making better use of a depleting resource. Any thing that helps
us send less money to the people who want to kill us, balance of trade, less
pollution cannot be a bad thing. And with just adding a larger battery and
charger to could be driving almost all electric for short trips.
I have no problems with Hybrids except one issue. They are confusing the
public and even most the owners of them. Now 99.9 percent of the public do not
understand what an electric car is. Other than that I think it is a big step
in the right direction. If someone is plugged in I would be overjoyed to see
that they are using the grid. I would be happy lose a parking spot to anyone
charging no matter what else have as a power source in the vehicle. It happens
to me every time I go down town during the weekdays in. I am disappointed I
cannot charge but happy to see that someone else is driving electric and that
is good enough for me.
I would just like to see more places to charge both 110 and 220.
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1. Re: Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2 (Ralph Merwin)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:43:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ralph Merwin <rmerwin at aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2
To: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst)
Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org
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Rick Durst writes:
> A couple of issues.
> We need 120v and 240 volt plugin locations. The EAA charger like at
> the WTC, I am told no longer meets code, as current electrical code
> requires the charger to communicate with the car. This "Safety" issue
> was probably added to discourage home conversions and add to the price
> of conversions. We would need to get a variance.
The requirement is not about "communication", but that "all parts made
live be inaccessible". This means that any metal pin or socket that
carries AC voltage must be physically covered or enclosed when the
mating pieces are removed. This also applies to electric vehicle
charging stations only. RV outlets are legal, 120v or 240v.
The inductive approach has no exposed metal parts, so there are no parts
to cover or enclose. They are always covered.
The conductive handle sold under the name Avcon solves the problem with
a sliding cover on the handle and another in the vehicle inlet. The
covers cannot be moved without pressing little release buttons, a casual
observer would not be able to access the metal parts.
Note that a 120v outlet with GFI meets code, so at a minimum a station
could have a couple of GFI protected 120v outlets. Not the best but
far better than what we have now.
> If the plug in hybrids come to pass, we will need to figure out how to
> exclude them from EV parking spots, maybe make sure spots are designated
> EV not plug in Hybrid..., since they don't really need to plug in at all
> of the prime locations. Thoughts on this??
A plug-in hybrid would be welcome (in my opinion), but would get a
parking ticket since the meter readers are trained to look up a
vehicle's registered fuel type and ticket any that are not registered
as electric and any of those that are not actively charging. The DMV
would need a new fuel type that indicated partially electric, and the
meter readers would need to be trained to allow that type too.
From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org on behalf of Rick Durst
Sent: Fri 9/2/2005 12:51 PM
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] Re: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2
COSTCO Charging Locations:
I have contacted COSTCO in the past about putting in charging stations at
their locations. They are willing to do so, will not charge for parking or the
electricity, but they want to see the involvement of either the local
utility, or a big enough group to make the publicity and use of the locations worth
I am not sure if the VP is still in charge of it that I worked with, but
with some digging, I can get his contact info. He is the proud owner of a GM
EV-1 which he (at one point would loan to me if I paid the transportation
to/from Kirkland, Wa.)
Charging locations and a mapquest link would be excellent.
A couple of issues.
We need 120v and 240 volt plugin locations. The EAA charger like at the
WTC, I am told no longer meets code, as current electrical code requires the
charger to communicate with the car. This "Safety" issue was probably added to
discourage home conversions and add to the price of conversions. We would
need to get a variance.
If the plug in hybrids come to pass, we will need to figure out how to
exclude them from EV parking spots, maybe make sure spots are designated EV not
plug in Hybrid..., since they don't really need to plug in at all of the prime
locations. Thoughts on this??
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