[Oeva-list] Gas Prices

bob at research13.com bob at research13.com
Mon Aug 18 15:17:45 PDT 2008

I think most would agree with me that the author's perception of a basket of goods and gas inflation are a bit off. Along with his inflation, I also think that unemployment is factored out (significantly with figures from Reagan on). 

I have a similar feeling when I see articles that suggest food prices will increase with bio fuels. It's suggested to be causal that biofuels will cause food prices to rise. Does this mean that we won't mostly buy our produce from other nations anymore and it might improve our capital accounts and reduce our need to subsidize farmers too? I'll no longer have Brazillian Tomatos. That'd be weird.

I put my Economics degree to work on the Beavers problem and they are Herbivores, so one likely did not eat your brother's fish, unless it was a Frat Boy from OSU after a bad Civil War game. Or an MIT Beaver with no Oliver Smoot to roll. 

I think that gas prices are an issue with most americans right now regardless what the author says. And I also believe that the 13% increase in Tri-Met Bus and Streetcar ridership may have something to do with the cost of driving a car and the record profits of oil companies. I also feel that we are financing our debt to foreigners, to buy oil and polluting the planet, even without the grandfathering in of PGE's Boardman coal plant. 

I also note that voting for Perot or Nader can impact elections. If a population, say California, votes a protest vote, they could even get a Hummer Driving Terminator elected. And did.

Hasta la vista baby.

P.S. Please sign me up to help with a club e-car - has that conversation moved elsewhere?

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Seeber [mailto:copperlion at copperlionslair.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 07:13 PM
Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Gas Prices

Not to be attacking anyone, but I didn't find that article very helpful or clear. I hope that the article, and possibly my take on it, sparks some civil debate and possibly some other articles to reference and make this clear. I also hope that it doesn't induce apathy or anger.

The biggest issue I see with the article is that it doesn't explain how the author(s) come up with the figures. I have a couple other issues with the article, regarding the assumptions and how average disposable income was determined, as well. 

I heard recently about how the average income figures are going up primarily due to the top 5% of the wealthiest of people increasing their incomes at an alarming rate, more than balancing out the average decline of the bottom third of the population. I am not claiming this as fact, though it wouldn't surprise me if it was. I have no references to back up my figures. My point in bringing this up, is that the figures the article uses have very little reference, and can not give you the entire picture. If the average personal income includes the wealthiest people in the U.S., who have profited greatly under the current administration, then the numbers are skewed. 

If the author(s) were talking about the median income- where 50% of working people make more money, and 50% make less- I would find this to be a more useful comparison. It would be closer to what real people have to deal with. Comparing the median to the mean average would also paint a clearer picture of the state we are in. Another comparison that would make more sense to me would be the median or mean average percentage of a person's actual income that is spent on gasoline, general transportation costs, and/or energy costs in general.

Any other suggestions?


Richard Turnock wrote: Everyday in newspapers, on the internet, on the radio and TV, we are asked to believe what someone says about global climate change or the price of gasoline. Also, we are asked to believe that the two presidential candidates each know how to govern.
My brother had a trout farm with above-ground tanks using constantly running well-water. Predators, primarily birds, threatened to eat the smaller fish so he used nets over the top. One of his employees said he saw a beaver near one of the tanks and the beaver was probably eating fish. My brother paused, looked at him and asked him what the animal looked like. He answered angrily, “I know what a beaver looks like.”
>From the LA Times:
“You may not believe it, but fuel is more affordable than it was during the early '60s.”

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