From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Mon Dec 1 08:36:20 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:36:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] People with EVs in Corvallis? Message-ID: <344167.78532.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Does anyone know of folks in Corvallis with EVs? It looks like there's a January event there regarding clean energy. I'll give Ravi Otmar's contact info, but Otmar might be really swamped. Cheers, Tim ----- Forwarded Message ---- Ravi Sinha (ravi at choicesolarcorp.com) has sent you (office: chair) the following feedback from the OEVA website: Can you give me a call soon. I'm the Chair of the the Clean Energy SIG for Oregon for TiE Oregon. But the reason I'm writing is that in January in Corvallis I'm creating an event to give youth a closeup look into Electric Cars. It will be a fun evening with live music, food, and a few electric vehicles the attendees can touch, get a ride in, etc. I'm working with the Chamber of Benton County to get this set up. Please contact me at 503-799-2293 to get some of your ideas, connections, etc. Best Regards, Ravi Chairman Choice Solar Corp. www.choicesolarcorp.com From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 19:36:29 2008 From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:36:29 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Contact Request from OEVA website In-Reply-To: <200812012305.mB1N5AWE045923@agora.rdrop.com> References: <200812012305.mB1N5AWE045923@agora.rdrop.com> Message-ID: <83b7b17c0812011936w646211bei8860921eb77dbdcd@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have an answer for Walt? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:05 PM Subject: Contact Request from OEVA website To: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com Walt (walt222 at bluefrog.com) has sent you (office: chargingchair) the following feedback from the OEVA website: What do the first and second set of batteries cost in Whalen's electric car in the OPB video? You can hit the reply button and it will go back to the sender. ------------------------------- Remote Host: 70-11-229-13.pools.spcsdns.net Remote IP: 70.11.229.13 User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) Referer: http://www.oeva.org/contact/newcontact.shtml?chargingchair -- Jeff Kim President & Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Office (503) 892-7345 Mobile (503) 686-8844 Fax (503) 802-7347 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081201/be307ae9/attachment.html From matwete at comcast.net Mon Dec 1 22:30:50 2008 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:30:50 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Contact Request from OEVA website In-Reply-To: <83b7b17c0812011936w646211bei8860921eb77dbdcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <200812012305.mB1N5AWE045923@agora.rdrop.com> <83b7b17c0812011936w646211bei8860921eb77dbdcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006201c95447$882e80d0$988b8270$@net> That's an interesting question.but to translate, is the question what the price diff is between Hawkers and Lithium A123's? From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Kim Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:36 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Cc: walt222 at bluefrog.com Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Contact Request from OEVA website Anyone have an answer for Walt? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:05 PM Subject: Contact Request from OEVA website To: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com Walt (walt222 at bluefrog.com) has sent you (office: chargingchair) the following feedback from the OEVA website: What do the first and second set of batteries cost in Whalen's electric car in the OPB video? You can hit the reply button and it will go back to the sender. ------------------------------- Remote Host: 70-11-229-13.pools.spcsdns.net Remote IP: 70.11.229.13 User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) Referer: http://www.oeva.org/contact/newcontact.shtml?chargingchair -- Jeff Kim President & Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Office (503) 892-7345 Mobile (503) 686-8844 Fax (503) 802-7347 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081201/37149c55/attachment.html From canemah at mac.com Mon Dec 1 23:48:37 2008 From: canemah at mac.com (jim pecore) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:48:37 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <43B7E081-8961-4303-8D3B-6DE73F61A8EF@mac.com> thank-you From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 07:50:07 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:50:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Cost of John Wayland's batteries References: <200812012305.mB1N5AWE045923@agora.rdrop.com> <83b7b17c0812011936w646211bei8860921eb77dbdcd@mail.gmail.com> <006201c95447$882e80d0$988b8270$@net> Message-ID: <543441.68155.qm@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Walt, Have you tried contacting John Wayland directly to ask this question? His e-mail from his website is jw at plasmaboyracing.com It's possible that since he was sponsored by both Hawker and A123 that he got them for "free" to advertise them. Cheers, Tim OEVA Chair ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walt (walt222 at bluefrog.com) has sent you (office: chargingchair) the following feedback from the OEVA website: What do the first and second set of batteries cost in Whalen's electric car in the OPB video? From oregongreenproject at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 11:51:42 2008 From: oregongreenproject at gmail.com (OregonGreen Project) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:51:42 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Seeking recommends to configure a fleet of electric delivery vehicles - Message-ID: <380ca08b0812021151w3c599610tfd7dbdbfba045e32@mail.gmail.com> What consultants, electric motor makers, battery makers, vehicle companies, etc. would you suggest for small pick up trucks and vans to deliver local goods (non-freeway) using slower two lane roads and highways. Thank you for your thoughts. David 503-781-2286 cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081202/724c8149/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 12:01:37 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:01:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Seeking recommends to configure a fleet of electric delivery vehicles - References: <380ca08b0812021151w3c599610tfd7dbdbfba045e32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <996577.7508.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi David, I think there are many possibilities here. A few questions for you: - What is the expected range of these delivery trucks between charges? - Can you get by with NEV (neighborhood vehicle) speed limits of 25 MPH max? - Are you looking for more, expensive, longer lasting vehicles or cheaper, short-lasting vehicles? If you can put up with the 25 MPH speed limit, there are trucks already out there. If you're looking to convert existing trucks, perhaps you could contact some of the folks on our links page: http://www.oeva.org/links/ (look at Local EV parts and Shops) Cheers, Tim OEVA Chair ________________________________ From: OregonGreen Project To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 11:51:42 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] Seeking recommends to configure a fleet of electric delivery vehicles - What consultants, electric motor makers, battery makers, vehicle companies, etc. would you suggest for small pick up trucks and vans to deliver local goods (non-freeway) using slower two lane roads and highways. Thank you for your thoughts. David 503-781-2286 cell From patrick0101 at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 22:02:46 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:02:46 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Cost of John Wayland's batteries In-Reply-To: <543441.68155.qm@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <200812012305.mB1N5AWE045923@agora.rdrop.com> <83b7b17c0812011936w646211bei8860921eb77dbdcd@mail.gmail.com> <006201c95447$882e80d0$988b8270$@net> <543441.68155.qm@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c28d7b50812022202u4797f50ep74b6e6beb175a639@mail.gmail.com> I think he is sponsored by the manufacturers. If so his cost would be zero. Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Tim Kutscha wrote: > Walt, > > Have you tried contacting John Wayland directly to ask this question? His > e-mail from his website is jw at plasmaboyracing.com > It's possible that since he was sponsored by both Hawker and A123 that he > got them for "free" to advertise them. > > Cheers, > Tim > OEVA Chair > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Walt (walt222 at bluefrog.com) has sent > you (office: chargingchair) the following feedback from the OEVA website: > > What do the first and second set of batteries cost in Whalen's electric car > in > the OPB video? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081202/16cbf095/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 08:15:42 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:15:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA Monthly Meeting on December 11th, 7pm at World Trade Center - bring snacks Message-ID: <729267.9860.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello OEVA folks, It's time for another monthly meeting on the second Thursday, December 11th. Everyone, member or not, is welcome to attend our meetings. With many folks gone or busy for the holidays, this meeting will be much more informal. We'll gather as usual at 7:00PM for show-and-tell of EVs and just hang out and share some snacks. Perhaps we'll have group tours of each of the cars. We meet at Two World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The street-side charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. There is no agenda this month. I'll encourage each EV owner to give a ten-minute tour of their vehicle to the whole group and then people can disperse and chat with EV owners to ask further questions. If you are able and willing, please bring a snack to share. I will provide plates, cups and napkins. If you'd like some guidance, here are some ideas: Last names starting with: Food: A-G Fruit or vegetables H-R Chips-like snack and/or dip S-Z non-alcoholic beverage (we don't have a liquor license :) Please feel free to bring information, questions and vehicles! Non-OEVA-members are welcome to attend! Cheers, Tim Kutscha OEVA Chair From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 08:27:16 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:27:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Videos of open-source Civic first drive Message-ID: <153755.32257.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, As many of you know, I've been working on an open-source design for a Honda Civic EV conversion kit. I took the car out for a quick test drive around the block last Sunday. While there are still quite a few issues to resolve, I did take some videos of the drive: http://civic-ev.blogspot.com/2008/12/movies-of-first-test-run.html If I can get the charging system fully working this weekend, maybe I can get this beast to the meeting next Thursday :) Cheers, Tim http://civic-ev.blogspot.com http://groups.google.com/group/civic-ev-kit From pusa411 at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 20:50:49 2008 From: pusa411 at gmail.com (DANIEL T CONWAY PREMIUM-USA) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:50:49 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Hawaii Goes Electric.. 1st EV State Message-ID: <793086120812032050w2406355dq8250956ccda4dcda@mail.gmail.com> I grew up in HI.. They get it.. 1st state to have 100% charging station coverage.. http://hawaii.gov/gov/news/releases/2008/governor-lingle-and-better-place-announce THX.. Daniel T Conway Premium-USA 7011 Sleret Ave. Vancouver, WA 98664 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081203/fcea2d7d/attachment.html From Wendy.Marshall at ci.gresham.or.us Fri Dec 5 14:34:31 2008 From: Wendy.Marshall at ci.gresham.or.us (Marshall, Wendy) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:34:31 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] City of Gresham Charging Station Message-ID: City of Gresham will be unveiling our new charging station on Tuesday, December 16 at 11:00 am!!! We are located at 1333 NW Eastman Parkway. You are all invited to attend. If you or someone you know with an EV lives in Gresham, we are especially interested in having you here...please let me know. 503.358.7882 thanx wendy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081205/8a1d1da1/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 18:58:07 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:58:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Shop for suspension work - post-EV conversion? Message-ID: <664946.64805.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, I'm almost finished with the open-source Civic project and need to get a front-end alignment done and replace a CV joint boot. Anyone have any recommendations for auto-shops in NE PDX that will do this work post-EV conversion? My biggest concern is that I'd like to drive it into the shop garage and over the lift because I don't want anyone over-revving the DC motor (it doesn't have a rev-limiter just yet). Perhaps a non-dealer Honda repair place with a small garage would be best for this? Any suggestions? See you all tomorrow night at WTC for an informal hang-out and snacks at 7pm. I've got the napkins, plates and cups. You bring the snacks to share. Cheers, Tim OEVA Chair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081210/16b75c8c/attachment.html From Elaina.Medina at pgn.com Tue Dec 9 16:41:42 2008 From: Elaina.Medina at pgn.com (Elaina Medina) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:41:42 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] PGE and Gresham Celebrate New Charging Station Message-ID: <6F1AEA185753F44689494009E294F062012D2FD89C3D@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> You are invited to join PGE and Gresham as we celebrate Gresham's new plug-in charging station Tuesday, Dec. 16 at 11 a.m. The City of Gresham is unveiling the city's first Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Station as part of Portland General Electric's new network of charging stations in the region. Gresham is the third city government in Oregon to install a plug-in station and the eighth location in PGE's growing network. The EV charging station provides the general public the opportunity to recharge their electric vehicles with renewable energy from PGE. There is no charge to use the station. Drivers simply park their cars at the Gresham City Hall station and plug in their vehicles the same way a household appliance plugs into the wall. Gresham City Councilors will invite plug-in electric vehicle owners to plug in to the station. Gresham resident Wendy Marshall will demonstrate how the plug-in station works using her converted electric Toyota Prius. PGE representatives will talk about the new network of electrical charging stations in the Portland metro area. The unveil will be on Tuesday, Dec. 16, from 11 to 11:40 a.m. At 11 a.m., Gresham resident Wendy Marshall will arrive in her electric car, plug in and kick off the launch of the new charging station at Gresham City Hall, 1333 NW Eastman Parkway. Elaina Medina Public Information Specialist Portland General Electric 503.464.8790 (office) 503.251.4099 (after hours) www.portlandgeneral.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081209/df087dcb/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 19:03:22 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:03:22 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Will Intel make EV batteries? Message-ID: <8c28d7b50812131903t4451d86ck3724946729576aa0@mail.gmail.com> http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/2380/69/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081213/552920b9/attachment.html From matwete at comcast.net Sat Dec 13 20:23:28 2008 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:23:28 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Plea for help in finding OEVA Treasurer Archives In-Reply-To: <153755.32257.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <153755.32257.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c95da3$b7acb010$27061030$@net> Fellow OEVA members- This week the OEVA Board was informed that the OEVA Treasurer Archives were inadvertently left in the regular meeting room at the PGE building after the NOVEMBER OEVA meeting. The information was in a brown paper bag. IF ANY OF YOU have any information about this, if you saw the bag, or best, if you HAVE the bag or know where it is, please let someone on the OEVA Board know---or email this list. The Board was notified of this loss on Friday, after the DEC Meeting. Since we want to find this information and correct this situation, I'm jumping in here to inform you all. Please, if you know anything, please help here. OEVA Board Email: oeva-board at googlegroups.com Thanks. -Myles Twete (I have no stake in this---just doing what seems right here...) From patrick0101 at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 02:14:58 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:14:58 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Solar Powered EV Driving Message-ID: <8c28d7b50812140214q2dc90ff3l22c076b0dd1a8726@mail.gmail.com> *http://tinyurl.com/6rsrg7* I wrote a story about EV driving and solar power for the Solar Power Rocks blog (they did a little editing). The two pictures are from OEVA events. The first one has Gary's Insight on the left and Paul's Sparrow in the background. The second picture is of my S-10 Electric with a nice OEVA sign placement. Enjoy, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081214/9153017b/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 09:27:46 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:27:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Plea for help in finding OEVA Treasurer Archives References: <153755.32257.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <002401c95da3$b7acb010$27061030$@net> Message-ID: <331658.25902.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello OEVA members, Thanks to Myles for sending out the request for information. I would have sent this out sooner if my internet connection hadn't been down over the weekend. Myles is correct in that a brown paper bag containing all of the OEVA Treasury records, including all the personal information people wrote down on their membership forms, was left at the end of the November OEVA meeting. We learned about this at the December meeting last Thursday. If anyone saw this bag or has any information about it, please reply back to the oeva-list at oeva e-mail list or e-mail a board member. You can contact the board through the "contacts" page on the OEVA website or send e-mail to me at tim_kutscha at yahoo dot com. If you send e-mail to oeva-board at googlegroups dot com, it will probably bounce back. While this is a tragic, unfortunate incident, this is by no means devastating for the organization. Rest assured that I'm working with our current treasurer, Ray Blackburn to quickly remedy the situation. For those of you who paid your membership dues through PayPal, you probably received a notice saying that your membership was canceled. For security reasons, the OEVA_Treas e-mail and PayPal account have been closed and the records saved. Rest assured that we have a list of the canceled memberships and will keep track of them until we can get a new PayPal account started. Again, please send any information you have about the whereabouts of the records sack to myself (tim_kutscha at yahoo dot com) or this list. If you don't feel comfortable contacting me or the list, please contact Gary Graunke at . Thank you for your patience and understanding as we work to remedy this situation. Cheers, Tim Kutscha OEVA Chair ----- Original Message ---- From: Myles Twete To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:23:28 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] Plea for help in finding OEVA Treasurer Archives Fellow OEVA members- This week the OEVA Board was informed that the OEVA Treasurer Archives were inadvertently left in the regular meeting room at the PGE building after the NOVEMBER OEVA meeting. The information was in a brown paper bag. IF ANY OF YOU have any information about this, if you saw the bag, or best, if you HAVE the bag or know where it is, please let someone on the OEVA Board know---or email this list. The Board was notified of this loss on Friday, after the DEC Meeting. Since we want to find this information and correct this situation, I'm jumping in here to inform you all. Please, if you know anything, please help here. OEVA Board Email: oeva-board at googlegroups.com Thanks. -Myles Twete (I have no stake in this---just doing what seems right here...) From Theoldcars at aol.com Sun Dec 14 14:05:58 2008 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:05:58 EST Subject: [Oeva-list] Will Intel make EV batteries? Message-ID: Thanks for the link Pat I would have never associated Intel with battery manufacturing. Personally I think it is great. Intel is a huge help to Oregon's economy. Already established as a high quality manufacturer it would be really exciting if they chose to do this. If you ask me this is where most of our 750 billion bail out budget should go. Assisting US companies develop technology here that is going to have profound effects in the long run. Don In a message dated 12/14/2008 12:00:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/2380/69 **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081214/ebf3f549/attachment.html From mikalson2002 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 16:04:27 2008 From: mikalson2002 at yahoo.com (Julie Mikalson) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:04:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] my mid-Mult County 110 Charging site (near airport, w/great Transit) Message-ID: <508227.46328.qm@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Friends, ? NEW in 97220: ? ?Charging with long-term parking? option. ? About time more of you knew about my Gateway/Parkrose/PDX area?Property. ? It has a Garage with 110 power, and an adjacent?long *Covered* Carport. This can be a good EV Park-N-Ride location if you are planning a major Shopping Trip at Gateway, using?PDX Airport,?or visiting Adventist Hospital. ? I-84, I-205, and several?good Public Transit modes are near. ? I?work from this?home office?most days, at 4004 NE 105th Ave, at the corner of NE Shaver Street in peaceful?Parkrose -?Portland, OR ?97220?- ? I'd like?to?post a?note indoors for?Housemates? when visitors are expected on the property. I?can be reached at home # most days, 503-255-0592 or my?Cell #?weekends and when away: 503-809-9697. ? Use www.TriMet.org - or ask me for Transit suggestions?to link up.? ? Please call before your?first visit ?(unless an _Emergency_) or let me know you may be likely ot use the service at some time. I'm still new to?Parkrose neighborhood, and do?frequent event hosting. Courtesy is?always appreciated. ? I'd like to?post a list of Visitors/Vehicles - that you may refer to when you?Charging?- so Housemates and neighbors may know to be cordial, and you'll also know who else may be here.? ? Your Alternate?Charging?equipment is welcome. ? Extras: ? Scooters and Bikes can be stored at the Garage. Travel plan help.? We can?add?Bike Storage?hooks, and get regular users a Garage Key.? ? Fridge access, occaisional overnite guest room, and?workspace with DSL, all possible soon. Ok to use Garden Furniture, harvest a Fruit snack (and nuts) from Trees, in season, when Charging.??Do chase the squirrels.?(It seems to energize them...) ? More power to?ya, ? Jules ? aka Online: pdxJules ? PS:? Garage & Covered 110 Charging?Bay? may?be upgraded to Solar DC/battery backup, (with AC Grid option)?in the future. If you are able to?donate a Used PV Panel, Inverter, and/or storage batteries, email me. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081214/28fe0093/attachment.html From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Mon Dec 15 13:11:33 2008 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:11:33 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Gresham Charging Station Unveilling cancelled for tomorrow Message-ID: FYI, I received this message from the City of Gresham. ------------------------------------------------- Hi All, Thank you for your support of Gresham's Electric Vehicle Charging Station project. Due to inclement weather, we have decided to cancel the EV charging station event scheduled for tomorrow December 16th. We do not have plans to reschedule the event at this time. The charging station installation is complete - however, we are waiting for weather conditions to improve so that we may apply paint striping to define the parking spaces. Once the striping is in, we will make the station available to the public. Thank you. Dan ______________________________ Daniel Blue Program Manager Recycling and Solid Waste Program City of Gresham ________________________________________________ Rick Durst | Portland General Electric 121 SW Salmon St, 3WTC0407 | Portland, Oregon 97204 | (: 503.464-7631 | 7: 503.464-2284 | *: Rick.Durst at pgn.com -----Original Message----- From: Elaina Medina Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:59 PM To: Public Policy; Rick Durst; Deane Funk; Brianne Hyder; Dale Garcia; Thor Hinckley; Michael Porter; Dwayne Cain; Joe Barra; Nelle Nix; Kregg Arntson; Charlie Allcock Subject: Gresham Charging Station Unveil This event is canceled. From khallgeisler at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 11:39:15 2008 From: khallgeisler at gmail.com (Kristen Hall-Geisler) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:39:15 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] EVs in the winter? Message-ID: Hi all -- I'm curious about driving EVs in winter weather like we've had here in Portland recently. How do they fare? Better, worse, or the same as an ICE? Do they start okay on frigid mornings? Do they get the same number of miles per charge as usual? Have you guys been commuting in your EVs this week, or have you gotten out the conventional vehicles while the roads are nasty and the temps are low? I've been test driving hybrids lately for GoodGreenCars.com, and it seems like when the weather turned bad, the car's fuel economy got worse. It made me wonder about straight-up EVs and their winter performance, so I figured I'd ask the folks on the list for their experiences. - khg Kristen Hall-Geisler freelance writer | Portland, Oregon 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081217/a2c1b0ed/attachment.html From alan at batie.org Wed Dec 17 13:14:04 2008 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:14:04 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] EVs in the winter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49496B9C.8000301@batie.org> Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: > I've been test driving hybrids lately for GoodGreenCars.com, and it > seems like when the weather turned bad, the car's fuel economy got > worse. It made me wonder about straight-up EVs and their winter > performance, so I figured I'd ask the folks on the list for their > experiences. - khg I've noticed the substantial decrease in mileage with my Escape Hybrid when it gets cold as well; as for my EV, there is a noticeable drop in battery performance, but the main problem isn't EV related at all: the Geo Metro my Solectria is based on is just plain crap on slick roads. Maybe it's the high mileage tires it has, but if it so much as looks slick, you have to be super gentle to keep from spinning out where the Escape (which in itself is a lot worse than my previous Explorer used to be) barely notices a difference. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3263 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20081217/cdcca794/attachment.bin From freeridelectric at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 13:16:00 2008 From: freeridelectric at yahoo.com (Ray Blackburn) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:16:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Paypal is open. Message-ID: <966904.50228.qm@web59803.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Members. ??????? We now have Paypal back up in the Members area of the OEVA website.? I am very sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused members.? Please send any inquires to me at OEVA_Treas at yahoo.com.? Thank you for your patients. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????The New OEVA Treasurer.? Ray Blackburn? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081217/061d2b2f/attachment.html From pusa411 at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 13:51:20 2008 From: pusa411 at gmail.com (DANIEL T CONWAY PREMIUM-USA) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:51:20 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] ICE Message-ID: <793086120812171351v67175553h5765762991075a0@mail.gmail.com> ICE - Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles.. Are not as efficient vs. warm weather operation because two main reasons: 1) Extended warm-up time.. A) ICE's take more time to reach operating temperatures and are less efficient during the warm-up. B) Added idle time for clearing windows of snow and ice and fog. 2) Engines draw more air because it is denser in cold temperatures and therefore automatically add more fuel to maintain the air fuel ratio. IE. most speed records are set on cold days or in the early morning. I am curious as well, about the efficiency of an EV, since most of them use lead acid batteries which are not very efficient below 55? F. THX.. Daniel T Conway Premium-USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081217/8e927c01/attachment.html From brian at briannewmanmusic.com Thu Dec 18 17:22:50 2008 From: brian at briannewmanmusic.com (Brian Newman) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:22:50 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] EVs in the winter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50ab46e4b2501045565424002392fe61@briannewmanmusic.com> Kristen, My Zap car handles pretty well in the snow - at least a little snow. The batteries do get cold and range gets noticeably shorter. Example: In the summer, 14 miles used approx 14 volts. Just today, 8 miles used 13.8 volts. That's somewhere like 40% less range. I use it for short runs (less than 5-8 miles) anyway, so driving habits have not really changed. -Brian On Dec 17, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: > Hi all -- > > ? > I'm curious about driving EVs in winter weather like we've had here in > Portland recently. How do they fare? Better, worse, or the same as an > ICE? Do they start okay on frigid mornings? Do they get the same > number of miles per charge as usual? Have you guys been commuting in > your EVs this week, or have you gotten out the conventional vehicles > while the roads are nasty and the temps are low? > > ? > I've been test driving hybrids lately for GoodGreenCars.com, and it > seems like when the weather turned bad, the car's fuel economy got > worse. It made me wonder about straight-up EVs and their winter > performance, so I figured I'd ask the folks on the list for their > experiences. - khg > > ? > ? > Kristen Hall-Geisler > > freelance writer | Portland, Oregon > > 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com > > ?_______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2094 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20081218/a6ca0880/attachment.bin From gary at whitecape.org Thu Dec 18 19:36:37 2008 From: gary at whitecape.org (Gary Graunke) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:36:37 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] EVs in the winter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494B16C5.4050906@whitecape.org> Hi, I don't drive my Insight EV in the snow just because there is a higher risk of accidents--I take my "store bought" car in the ice and snow. I spent a half year of my spare time converting it, and almost that much again building my 6 batteries from 230 cells each. Doing it again would be much quicker, and by now I could probably just buy batteries like everyone else. However, I still drive my EV to work even in cold weather. They are better than ICE in cold weather, except that having a heat engine when it is cold gives you lots of "free" heat (normally wasted) which you might appreciate. They don't have to warm up (though you might have battery heaters that would change this a bit)--I don't. The electric motor does not have to warm up to "start"--it just works. You may use some heat to defrost the windows or yourself. I have a 2KW heater, and my car uses 10KW for freeway driving. If you have lead batteries with no insulation or heater, they will lose half their capacity in cold weather. So your range is half or less (due to using some for heat in your electric heater). NiCd batteries don't care at all. Li Ion will lose some power, and that may cause them to lose capacity if you are marginal on the power to begin with. But these don't change the efficiency much. Plowing through slush will lose efficiency equally well for ICE and EV vehicles. Headwinds are equally bad for both. So it's a matter of having enough range to cover extra losses from rain, slush, or wind. Using A123 LiFePO4 cells, I get pretty much the same range in the cold. I drove 30 miles last new years eve, and have the voltage and temperature log. However, it does not log the watt-hours so you get the WH/mi data. I did notice the voltage drop a bit more in the cold when I went over a large hill. The batteries lose some power, but the A123's have more than ample power and are really stiff (minimal voltage drop under load) even in the cold. For your hybrid, turn off the defrost and heat while idling, so the engine shuts off as it does in normal weather. Remember that 10% of the fuel in winter is ethanol for air pollution purposes, and that has about 60% of the same energy per gallon. So you have about 4% less energy per gallon. Actually, in the last few days people have been driving slower and accelerating and stopping more gradually. If they did this all the time, they would be much better mileage even with ICE vehicles. We EV folks often do this to get our range up so we get where we want to go. Gary Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: > Hi all -- > > I'm curious about driving EVs in winter weather like we've had here in Portland recently. How do they fare? Better, worse, or the same as an ICE? Do they start okay on frigid mornings? Do they get the same number of miles per charge as usual? Have you guys been commuting in your EVs this week, or have you gotten out the conventional vehicles while the roads are nasty and the temps are low? > > I've been test driving hybrids lately for GoodGreenCars.com, and it seems like when the weather turned bad, the car's fuel economy got worse. It made me wonder about straight-up EVs and their winter performance, so I figured I'd ask the folks on the list for their experiences. - khg > > > Kristen Hall-Geisler > freelance writer | Portland, Oregon > 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From Wendy.Marshall at ci.gresham.or.us Fri Dec 19 08:45:02 2008 From: Wendy.Marshall at ci.gresham.or.us (Marshall, Wendy) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:45:02 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration Message-ID: I had a Prius converted to plug-in. Based on a tip from Mark, I made sure to have DMV change the fuel type on the registration. They refused to change the fuel type from HYBRID to PHEV. Gary, Jeff, anyone else with a PHEV conversion, did you have the same experience? I assume that statistics on EVs are collected from DMV data. I think it is important that this info is disseminated properly so the statistics on EV ownership reflect the growing demand. wendy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081219/159d51ef/attachment.html From AlphaWaveE at aol.com Fri Dec 19 09:18:07 2008 From: AlphaWaveE at aol.com (AlphaWaveE at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:18:07 EST Subject: [Oeva-list] Warp 9 for sale Message-ID: Any one interested in starting a ev conversion, I have one standard warp 9 motor for sale. For Oregon residents the cost is $1750 plus $125 (shipping to Kelso) plus $20 for delivery to the greater Portland area (if you don't want to drive up to Kelso to get it). For Washington residents, $1750 for motor plus $125 (shipping to Kelso), free delivery within 15 miles of Kelso and pro rated after that. Tax for local pickup (7.8%) is $146.25; will vary depending on point of sale. Have a great day. Wade dba Alpha Wave Electric (360) 425-6252 (360) 560-4612 **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081219/76de55aa/attachment.html From gary.graunke at intel.com Fri Dec 19 09:22:44 2008 From: gary.graunke at intel.com (Graunke, Gary) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:22:44 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97290ECF76BA@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> I don't know that DMV has a category for PHEV, so they probably just stay with hybrid. It might take a lot of changes to add new types: paper forms, computer software, etc. This might be something for the DMV to consider. Does some state agency want to keep track of PHEV's, and is it worth the cost of changes to DMV. Gary ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Marshall, Wendy Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:45 AM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration I had a Prius converted to plug-in. Based on a tip from Mark, I made sure to have DMV change the fuel type on the registration. They refused to change the fuel type from HYBRID to PHEV. Gary, Jeff, anyone else with a PHEV conversion, did you have the same experience? I assume that statistics on EVs are collected from DMV data. I think it is important that this info is disseminated properly so the statistics on EV ownership reflect the growing demand. wendy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081219/75d1d013/attachment-0001.html From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 09:46:02 2008 From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:46:02 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration In-Reply-To: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97290ECF76BA@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97290ECF76BA@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <83b7b17c0812190946i26485467ndbb6aa689813626f@mail.gmail.com> I think it's worthwhile to have a designation for PHEVs, but I'm not sure if the state will want to change all the forms, etc, as Gary pointed out, especially since there are probably only about 5 PHEVs in Oregon at this time. The reason it may be important is in the case where we park in an "plug-in parking only" space, such as the one in front of the World Trade Center charging station. If there is no designation for PHEVs, we could be ticketed as a regular hybrid. Perhaps we should just register PHEVs as EVs, since they are essentially EVs with an ICE range extender. Jeff On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Graunke, Gary wrote: > I don't know that DMV has a category for PHEV, so they probably just stay > with hybrid. > > > > It might take a lot of changes to add new types: paper forms, computer > software, etc. > > > > This might be something for the DMV to consider. Does some state agency > want to keep track of PHEV's, and is it worth the cost of changes to DMV. > > > > Gary > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] *On > Behalf Of *Marshall, Wendy > *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2008 8:45 AM > *To:* oeva-list at oeva.org > *Subject:* [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration > > > > I had a Prius converted to plug-in. Based on a tip from Mark, I made sure > to have DMV change the fuel type on the registration. They refused to > change the fuel type from HYBRID to PHEV. > > Gary, Jeff, anyone else with a PHEV conversion, did you have the same > experience? I assume that statistics on EVs are collected from DMV data. I > think it is important that this info is disseminated properly so the > statistics on EV ownership reflect the growing demand. > > wendy > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -- Jeff Kim President & Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Office (503) 892-7345 Mobile (503) 686-8844 Fax (503) 802-7347 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081219/b884e250/attachment.html From alan at batie.org Fri Dec 19 09:50:28 2008 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:50:28 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration In-Reply-To: <83b7b17c0812190946i26485467ndbb6aa689813626f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97290ECF76BA@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> <83b7b17c0812190946i26485467ndbb6aa689813626f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494BDEE4.90600@batie.org> Jeff Kim wrote: > The reason it may be important is in the case where we park in an > "plug-in parking only" space, such as the one in front of the World > Trade Center charging station. If there is no designation for PHEVs, we > could be ticketed as a regular hybrid. If you're plugged in, they would have a hard time with that... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3263 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20081219/a4d2b1fb/attachment.bin From Wendy.Marshall at ci.gresham.or.us Fri Dec 19 10:21:08 2008 From: Wendy.Marshall at ci.gresham.or.us (Marshall, Wendy) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:21:08 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration In-Reply-To: <83b7b17c0812190946i26485467ndbb6aa689813626f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97290ECF76BA@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> <83b7b17c0812190946i26485467ndbb6aa689813626f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There is an entry for "Other" with a write-in space; no changes needed to all their red-tape. ________________________________ From: Jeff Kim [mailto:jeff.shorepower at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:46 AM To: Graunke, Gary Cc: Marshall, Wendy; oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration I think it's worthwhile to have a designation for PHEVs, but I'm not sure if the state will want to change all the forms, etc, as Gary pointed out, especially since there are probably only about 5 PHEVs in Oregon at this time. The reason it may be important is in the case where we park in an "plug-in parking only" space, such as the one in front of the World Trade Center charging station. If there is no designation for PHEVs, we could be ticketed as a regular hybrid. Perhaps we should just register PHEVs as EVs, since they are essentially EVs with an ICE range extender. Jeff On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Graunke, Gary wrote: I don't know that DMV has a category for PHEV, so they probably just stay with hybrid. It might take a lot of changes to add new types: paper forms, computer software, etc. This might be something for the DMV to consider. Does some state agency want to keep track of PHEV's, and is it worth the cost of changes to DMV. Gary ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Marshall, Wendy Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:45 AM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration I had a Prius converted to plug-in. Based on a tip from Mark, I made sure to have DMV change the fuel type on the registration. They refused to change the fuel type from HYBRID to PHEV. Gary, Jeff, anyone else with a PHEV conversion, did you have the same experience? I assume that statistics on EVs are collected from DMV data. I think it is important that this info is disseminated properly so the statistics on EV ownership reflect the growing demand. wendy _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -- Jeff Kim President & Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Office (503) 892-7345 Mobile (503) 686-8844 Fax (503) 802-7347 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081219/a9ce06bc/attachment-0001.html From bob at research13.com Fri Dec 19 10:23:52 2008 From: bob at research13.com (bob at research13.com) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:23:52 +0000 Subject: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration Message-ID: I think that demand for more fuel efficient vehicles, EVs and PHEVs, will be underestimated for some time. DMV in my humble opinion is not where I'd go for reliable data either. They are most reliable at producing lines and paper numbers. One reason demand for PHEVs/EVs is underestimated is that awareness is still pretty low of what an EV/PHEV/NEV is and can do. Don't forget that most households do not have an EV zealot living there and do not Tivo "Living with Ed." Bucky Fuller and David Aaker (branding guru) say that awareness comes first. First people have to be aware and understand what new technology means to them and then comes the demand. Right now we are still on the bleeding edge & thanks for your leadership demand is coming :). Demand is more than half driven by emotions too. So if you want others to buy EV/PHEV talk about what gives you "pride" in your decisions and what makes you "trust" you made the right decision. Pride and trust are a couple top emotion triggers for purchases. I also like the idea of getting Dire Straits to produce a song called I want my EV (instead of MTV). In other states and countries with greater parking and toll issues, parking privilidges and HOV lanes are typically handled by electronic passes or by putting a sticker right on the car (not pretty). With the electronic passes, if you do not have a valid pass a camera takes a photo of you. You could probably use this same technology with a charging station. Although I'm guessing a robo cop charging station is a great idea to spur demand. Parking is an emotionally charged issue even before you add in a charging station. I worked on research for "smart park" garages back when the Association for Portland Progress ran downtown garages and it was amazing how people would drive around and around the block looking for parking when the street meter was the same cost as the wide open garage nearby. Again, people were not aware that the price was the same (and in the case of the garage you also could park out of the rain/weather not waste gas driving around). Similarly, people in the general population don't factor out the costs of oil changes, stopping at gas stations, replacing motors, etc. They worry about having to replace lead acid batteries every 18,000 miles with lead acid and don't know about better technologies that are on the way. People similarly don't buy Hybrids because they still think the batteries cost $15,000. And, costs are not realistically better if you don't do the work yourself over buying a Kia Rio or something with parts from around the world. Please prove me wrong. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kim [mailto:jeff.shorepower at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 09:46 AM To: 'Graunke, Gary' Cc: 'Marshall, Wendy', oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration I think it's worthwhile to have a designation for PHEVs, but I'm not sure if the state will want to change all the forms, etc, as Gary pointed out, especially since there are probably only about 5 PHEVs in Oregon at this time. The reason it may be important is in the case where we park in an "plug-in parking only" space, such as the one in front of the World Trade Center charging station. If there is no designation for PHEVs, we could be ticketed as a regular hybrid. Perhaps we should just register PHEVs as EVs, since they are essentially EVs with an ICE range extender. Jeff On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Graunke, Gary wrote: I don't know that DMV has a category for PHEV, so they probably just stay with hybrid. It might take a lot of changes to add new types: paper forms, computer software, etc. This might be something for the DMV to consider. Does some state agency want to keep track of PHEV's, and is it worth the cost of changes to DMV. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------ From:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Marshall, Wendy Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:45 AM To:oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration I had a Prius converted to plug-in. Based on a tip from Mark, I made sure to have DMVchange the fuel type on the registration. Theyrefused to change the fuel type fromHYBRID to PHEV. Gary, Jeff, anyone else with a PHEV conversion, did you have the same experience?I assume that statistics on EVs are collected from DMV data. I think it is important that this info isdisseminated properly so the statistics on EV ownership reflect the growing demand. wendy _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -- Jeff Kim President & Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Office (503) 892-7345 Mobile (503) 686-8844 Fax (503) 802-7347 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081219/259acf05/attachment.html From matwete at comcast.net Fri Dec 19 12:06:52 2008 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:06:52 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Kids' idea of electricity In-Reply-To: <83b7b17c0812190946i26485467ndbb6aa689813626f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97290ECF76BA@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> <83b7b17c0812190946i26485467ndbb6aa689813626f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007d01c96215$5655ab20$03010160$@net> Taken from a list of what Kids Write About the Sea: "Some fish are dangerous. Jellyfish can sting. Electric eels can give you a shock. They have to live in caves under the sea where I think they have to plug them selves into chargers. (Christopher age 7)" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081219/1fe96abc/attachment.html From tony at notebene.net Fri Dec 19 12:35:36 2008 From: tony at notebene.net (Tony McCormick) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:35:36 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] PHEV Registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494C0598.5030200@notebene.net> They probably don't have PHEV as a selection in their SW yet. --Tony Marshall, Wendy wrote: > > I had a Prius converted to plug-in. Based on a tip from Mark, I made > sure to have DMV change the fuel type on the registration. They > refused to change the fuel type from HYBRID to PHEV. > > Gary, Jeff, anyone else with a PHEV conversion, did you have the same > experience? I assume that statistics on EVs are collected from DMV > data. I think it is important that this info is disseminated properly > so the statistics on EV ownership reflect the growing demand. > > wendy > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From chris.hansen at intel.com Fri Dec 19 13:42:28 2008 From: chris.hansen at intel.com (Hansen, Chris) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:42:28 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] registering an ICE converted to EV vehicle in OR Message-ID: <435959ED7AEDF04EB5EB69F3085718130319EA652B@azsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Hi everyone, Just joined the group. Missed the December meeting due to work travel. I'll show up in January. I am converting my Ford Escort from ICE to an EV this winter. Any tips on getting such a vehicle registered with DMV and an insurance company? I called DMV a few times and they were very confused. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081219/f88ef75b/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 12:21:09 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:21:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Link to book on historical EVs Message-ID: <441150.59123.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just for fun: http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks5/ev1922/index.html Cheers, Tim From patrick0101 at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 00:41:52 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:41:52 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Ford Ranger EVs for Sale Message-ID: <8c28d7b50812230041g7a4fa118lc5cc881cfb78709f@mail.gmail.com> 3 Ford Ranger EVs for sale in Bellevue WA. http://www.thegreencarco.com/ Click on Current Inventory, then electric. Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081223/d3687a0d/attachment.html From sailingfu59 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 11:20:05 2008 From: sailingfu59 at yahoo.com (t birch) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:20:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <678045.97191.qm@web46212.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi all!? The green car co of bellvue wa also has a 2009 prius with hypomotion conversion lithium ion battery pack no price listed.? I think its the one they were trying to auction for plug in america and the reserve was never met at something around $42,000.00?? I'd love to have it if I could afford it?!? Oh well just thought someone might want to know. ??????????????????????????????????????????????? Tracy Birch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081223/03daa63e/attachment.html From galanbryant at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 12:11:22 2008 From: galanbryant at yahoo.com (g bryant) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:11:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <678045.97191.qm@web46212.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <978593.11274.qm@web35102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Those PHEVs seem to be slowly getting off the ground. We're set to take delivery of a 2009 Prius next month and have purchased a battery pack from Hymotion to be installed at this Bellevue shop probably next month -- for maybe $4000 less than this car. Probably our Prius won't be as loaded as the one in Bellevue. ?Last time I looked, it seemed as though fewer than 50 of these PHEV have been sold to date in the U.S. and Canada. ? Looking forward to driving my first 30-40 miles as an EV each day. Gregg Bryant Vancouver --- On Tue, 12/23/08, t birch wrote: From: t birch Subject: [Oeva-list] (no subject) To: "oregon electric" Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 2:20 PM Hi all!? The green car co of bellvue wa also has a 2009 prius with hypomotion conversion lithium ion battery pack no price listed.? I think its the one they were trying to auction for plug in america and the reserve was never met at something around $42,000.00?? I'd love to have it if I could afford it?!? Oh well just thought someone might want to know. ??????????????????????????????????????????????? Tracy Birch _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081223/a14a8d58/attachment.html From Danilo_Reyes at hotmail.com Tue Dec 23 14:44:55 2008 From: Danilo_Reyes at hotmail.com (D@nil0) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:44:55 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <978593.11274.qm@web35102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <678045.97191.qm@web46212.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <978593.11274.qm@web35102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They reported a price of 156K for the conversion on the seattke cars!!! http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/environment/archives/124335.asp From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of g bryant Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:11 PM To: oregon electric; sailingfu59 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] (no subject) Those PHEVs seem to be slowly getting off the ground. We're set to take delivery of a 2009 Prius next month and have purchased a battery pack from Hymotion to be installed at this Bellevue shop probably next month -- for maybe $4000 less than this car. Probably our Prius won't be as loaded as the one in Bellevue. Last time I looked, it seemed as though fewer than 50 of these PHEV have been sold to date in the U.S. and Canada. Looking forward to driving my first 30-40 miles as an EV each day. Gregg Bryant Vancouver --- On Tue, 12/23/08, t birch wrote: From: t birch Subject: [Oeva-list] (no subject) To: "oregon electric" Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 2:20 PM Hi all! The green car co of bellvue wa also has a 2009 prius with hypomotion conversion lithium ion battery pack no price listed. I think its the one they were trying to auction for plug in america and the reserve was never met at something around $42,000.00 I'd love to have it if I could afford it?! Oh well just thought someone might want to know. Tracy Birch _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081223/bb49141f/attachment.html From galanbryant at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 16:17:49 2008 From: galanbryant at yahoo.com (g bryant) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:17:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <594485.7502.qm@web35105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> for 13 cars, I think it was... --- On Tue, 12/23/08, D at nil0 wrote: From: D at nil0 Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] (no subject) To: galanbryant at yahoo.com, "'oregon electric'" , sailingfu59 at yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 5:44 PM They reported a price of 156K for the conversion on the seattke cars!!! ? http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/environment/archives/124335.asp ? From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of g bryant Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:11 PM To: oregon electric; sailingfu59 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] (no subject) ? Those PHEVs seem to be slowly getting off the ground. We're set to take delivery of a 2009 Prius next month and have purchased a battery pack from Hymotion to be installed at this Bellevue shop probably next month -- for maybe $4000 less than this car. Probably our Prius won't be as loaded as the one in Bellevue. ?Last time I looked, it seemed as though fewer than 50 of these PHEV have been sold to date in the U.S. and Canada. ? Looking forward to driving my first 30-40 miles as an EV each day. Gregg Bryant Vancouver --- On Tue, 12/23/08, t birch wrote: From: t birch Subject: [Oeva-list] (no subject) To: "oregon electric" Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 2:20 PM Hi all!? The green car co of bellvue wa also has a 2009 prius with hypomotion conversion lithium ion battery pack no price listed.? I think its the one they were trying to auction for plug in america and the reserve was never met at something around $42,000.00?? I'd love to have it if I could afford it?!? Oh well just thought someone might want to know. ??????????????????????????????????????????????? Tracy Birch ? _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081223/bac9deae/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 14:52:39 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:52:39 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Sherwood Police go EV Message-ID: <8c28d7b50812271452r5552ad8blec924e3fdd817d24@mail.gmail.com> http://www.sherwoodgazette.com/news/story.php?story_id=123034332547055500 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081227/a97f6f09/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 08:45:22 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:45:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Interview with OEVA on KBOO website Message-ID: <785280.97398.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I hope your Christmas week went well. It looks like KBOO posted an interview with the OEVA on their website (see below). Phil, would you please add this link somewhere on the OEVA website? Happy New Year, Tim OEVA Chair ----- Forwarded Message ---- Stephanie Potter (spottalot at earthlink.net) has sent you (office: chair) the following feedback from the OEVA website: Hi . . .Just wanted to let you know the KBOO website is more organized (and so am I) and I just managed to get the OEVA interview from 11/06 up on KBOO's website: http://kboo.fm/node/10996 Feel free to link it to anything you like, and maybe we can do it again sometime! Thanks, Stephanie From patrick0101 at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 13:55:01 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:55:01 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] BYD Delays US & UK Sales Message-ID: <8c28d7b50812281355q7ca0f014lc0a3987c271ff32e@mail.gmail.com> http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/12/27/chinas-byd-delays-european-and-us-sales-a-year-to-2011/ I wonder if this will impact the Oregon PHEV pilot too. Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081228/e03db6bc/attachment.html From oeva_treas at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 22:51:42 2008 From: oeva_treas at yahoo.com (Ray Blackburn) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:51:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] What a great interview! References: Message-ID: <181890.80502.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> What a great interview Stephanie Potter from KBOO put together.? It's like a mini "Who Killed the Electric Car?"? interview.? This interview is?geared a little more towards the EV enthusiast with a local flair. ?I blew this off as spam because it was from 2006, better late than never.? Actually I did not listen to it until Tim posted it to this board because I am computer re tarted.? The information is just as pertinent now as it was two years ago.? Great interview with names and titles before?and?after comments and a good back ground beat.? I emailed Stephanie Potter and thanked her.???Ray. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:45:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Kutscha Subject: [Oeva-list] Interview with OEVA on KBOO website To: oeva-list at oeva.org Message-ID: <785280.97398.qm at web110502.mail.gq1..yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi All, ? I hope your Christmas week went well.? It looks like KBOO posted an interview with the OEVA on their website (see below). Phil, would you please add this link somewhere on the OEVA website? Happy New Year, Tim OEVA Chair ----- Forwarded Message ---- Stephanie Potter (spottalot at earthlink.net) has sent you (office: chair) the following feedback from the OEVA website: Hi . . .Just wanted to let you know the KBOO website is more organized (and so am I) and I just managed to get the OEVA interview from 11/06 up on KBOO's website:? http://kboo.fm/node/10996 Feel free to link it to anything you like, and maybe we can do it again sometime! Thanks, Stephanie ? ? ? ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 62, Issue 19 ***************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081228/599245bc/attachment.html From bob at research13.com Mon Dec 29 09:25:00 2008 From: bob at research13.com (bob at research13.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:25:00 +0000 Subject: [Oeva-list] BYD Delays US & UK Sales Message-ID: Rather than a bail out ICE producers, should our legislators spur on Tesla's sedans or other electric production in Oregon too? What if we were building American Electric cars good enough to export to world? Seems like we should write our increasingly green lawmakers and suggest that they support green automobile production in Oregon. The pen is mightier than the sword. I did not see that Jeff Merkley has his official contact through the Senatorial website yet, nor does his campaign website have a good contact option. Mekley campaigned as supporting environmentally friendly options and job creation. I believe Senator Wyden's contact info is below: http://wyden.senate.gov/contact/ -----Original Message----- From: patrick0101 at gmail.com [mailto:patrick0101 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 01:55 PM To: 'OEVA' Subject: [Oeva-list] BYD Delays US & UK Sales http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/12/27/chinas-byd-delays-european-and-us-sales-a-year-to-2011/ I wonder if this will impact the Oregon PHEV pilot too. Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081229/a3ecf5d9/attachment.html From bob at research13.com Mon Dec 29 09:31:26 2008 From: bob at research13.com (bob at research13.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:31:26 +0000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Sherwood Police go EV Message-ID: It would be great if EZ-go started making vehicles for civilian usage too. They ought to have the know how since they own EZ-Go, Cessna and Bell Helicopters. They also just bought Lancair aircraft in Bend Oregon. -----Original Message----- From: patrick0101 at gmail.com [mailto:patrick0101 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 02:52 PM To: 'OEVA' Subject: [Oeva-list] Sherwood Police go EV http://www.sherwoodgazette.com/news/story.php?story_id=123034332547055500 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081229/386d976b/attachment.html From sailingfu59 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 14:03:56 2008 From: sailingfu59 at yahoo.com (t birch) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:03:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] lead acid ford ranger Message-ID: <320112.68416.qm@web46209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi all! Just a quick question on a ford ranger ev for sale in seattle that has lead acid batteries. If the batteries need to be replaced and their are 39 lead acid 8v batteries,? do you have to replace them with 8v batteries in order for it to run or do you have to go to some kind of nightmare conversion in order to have it still run???? Thanks? Tracy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081229/10f15d96/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 22:27:14 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:27:14 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] BYD Delays US & UK Sales In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c28d7b50812292227q17875e6dr7ceed3cd42bd2972@mail.gmail.com> I agree that directly bailing out the big three is not the way to go. In his "While Detroit Slept" piece Thomas Friedman said that it is like bailing out typewriters on the verge of the Internet. Why not use incentives? They stimulates the market and incentives can be used to mold consumer behavior. If we just give the money to the big three they are going to keep doing the same thing. As soon as gas prices dropped, sales of gas hogs jumped right back up. I would like to be MPG based incentives in addition to plug-in incentives. This seems more fair to me since it would not require the government to pick the companies (old or new). While at the same time it encourages innovation and supports consumer choice. Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:25 AM, wrote: > Rather than a bail out ICE producers, should our legislators spur on > Tesla's sedans or other electric production in Oregon too? What if we were > building American Electric cars good enough to export to world? Seems like > we should write our increasingly green lawmakers and suggest that they > support green automobile production in Oregon. The pen is mightier than the > sword. I did not see that Jeff Merkley has his official contact through the > Senatorial website yet, nor does his campaign website have a good contact > option. Mekley campaigned as supporting environmentally friendly options and > job creation. I believe Senator Wyden's contact info is below: > > http://wyden.senate.gov/contact/ > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* patrick0101 at gmail.com [mailto:patrick0101 at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, December 28, 2008 01:55 PM > *To:* 'OEVA' > *Subject:* [Oeva-list] BYD Delays US & UK Sales > > > http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/12/27/chinas-byd-delays-european-and-us-sales-a-year-to-2011/ > > I wonder if this will impact the Oregon PHEV pilot too. > > Regards, > Pat > If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081229/6a347a90/attachment.html From oeva_treas at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 22:49:05 2008 From: oeva_treas at yahoo.com (Ray Blackburn) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:49:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Tuffer times for EV's and alternative energy. Message-ID: <389707.79771.qm@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It is all about the?money.? They will only build what they can sell.? EZ-Go would sell hwy EV's if they sold like Cessna's and Bell?Helicopters.? In my opinion 90% of all Americans are motivated? to change if it effects there wallet in a positive nature.? Sure if kids are?choking on pollution that is motivation for change but short of that it is money.? The government?gives incentives but it is not enough.? What really kills the EV is?inexpensive gas.??Main stream Americans will look harder at EV's when gas is high.? Now with the down economy and low gas prices main stream people have much less reason to?consider?EV's as a mode of transportation. What might work is to put a?floor on gas prices.? Use the funds between the floor and the real price of gas to fund olny green projects like EV's?, solar panels, electricity infrastructure and so on.? Oil needs to become less attractive to mainstream people.? If something like this were implemented now, we could get a leg up on things. When it becomes apparent to the mainstream?population via exsorbdent gas prices that they need EV's massed produced, we would not be so far behind. ? As it is now, we have these peaks and?lows of both funding and?awareness for EV's and alternative energy that ebb and flow with the price?and or demand of fossil fuels.? ? Oh yea thanks for the info.? I wrote the Senator.?? ?Ray.? Rather than a bail out ICE producers, should our legislators spur on Tesla's sedans or other electric production in Oregon too? What if we were building American Electric cars good enough to export to world? Seems like we should write our increasingly green lawmakers and suggest that they support green automobile production in Oregon.. The pen is mightier than the sword. I did not see that Jeff Merkley has his official contact through the Senatorial website yet, nor does his campaign website have a good contact option. Mekley campaigned as supporting environmentally friendly options and job creation. I believe Senator Wyden's contact info is below: It would be great if EZ-go started making vehicles for civilian usage too. They ought to have the know how since they own EZ-Go, Cessna and Bell Helicopters. They also just bought Lancair aircraft in Bend Oregon. -----Original Message----- From: patrick0101 at gmail.com [mailto:patrick0101 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 02:52 PM To: 'OEVA' Subject: [Oeva-list] Sherwood Police go EV http://www.sherwoodgazette.com/news/story.php?story_id=123034332547055500 ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081229/6e7abd8c/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 23:11:41 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:11:41 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Tuffer times for EV's and alternative energy. In-Reply-To: <389707.79771.qm@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <389707.79771.qm@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c28d7b50812292311p4fdaf11cxaae1164665cc2b5d@mail.gmail.com> A gas tax would be a tough thing for Americans to swallow. However, to quote Friedman again: "A gas tax reduces gasoline demand and keeps dollars in America, dries up funding for terrorists and reduces the clout of Iran and Russia at a time when Obama will be looking for greater leverage against petro-dictatorships. It reduces our current account deficit, which strengthens the dollar. It reduces U.S. carbon emissions driving climate change, which means more global respect for America. And it increases the incentives for U.S. innovation on clean cars and clean-tech. Which one of these things wouldn't we want? A gasoline tax "is not just win-win; it's win, win, win, win, win," says the Johns Hopkins author and foreign policy specialist Michael Mandelbaum. "A gasoline tax would do more for American prosperity and strength than any other measure Obama could propose." Regards, Pat On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Ray Blackburn wrote: > It is all about the money. They will only build what they can sell. EZ-Go > would sell hwy EV's if they sold like Cessna's and Bell Helicopters. In my > opinion 90% of all Americans are motivated to change if it effects there > wallet in a positive nature. Sure if kids are choking on pollution that is > motivation for change but short of that it is money. The government gives > incentives but it is not enough. What really kills the EV is inexpensive > gas. Main stream Americans will look harder at EV's when gas is high. Now > with the down economy and low gas prices main stream people have much less > reason to consider EV's as a mode of transportation. > > What might work is to put a floor on gas prices. Use the funds between > the floor and the real price of gas to fund olny green projects like EV's , > solar panels, electricity infrastructure and so on. Oil needs to become > less attractive to mainstream people. If something like this were > implemented now, we could get a leg up on things. When it becomes apparent > to the mainstream population via exsorbdent gas prices that they need EV's > massed produced, we would not be so far behind. > > As it is now, we have these peaks and lows of both funding and awareness > for EV's and alternative energy that ebb and flow with the price and or > demand of fossil fuels. > > Oh yea thanks for the info. I wrote the Senator. Ray. > ------------------------------ > > Rather than a bail out ICE producers, should our legislators spur on > Tesla's sedans or other electric production in Oregon too? What if we were > building American Electric cars good enough to export to world? Seems like > we should write our increasingly green lawmakers and suggest that they > support green automobile production in Oregon. The pen is mightier than the > sword. I did not see that Jeff Merkley has his official contact through the > Senatorial website yet, nor does his campaign website have a good contact > option. Mekley campaigned as supporting environmentally friendly options and > job creation. I believe Senator Wyden's contact info is below: > > It would be great if EZ-go started making vehicles for civilian usage too. > They ought to have the know how since they own EZ-Go, Cessna and Bell > Helicopters. They also just bought Lancair aircraft in Bend Oregon. > -----Original Message----- > From: patrick0101 at gmail.com [mailto:patrick0101 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 02:52 PM > To: 'OEVA' > Subject: [Oeva-list] Sherwood Police go EV > > http://www.sherwoodgazette.com/news/story.php?story_id=123034332547055500 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081229/702a2959/attachment-0001.html From matwete at comcast.net Tue Dec 30 00:47:34 2008 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:47:34 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Tuffer times for EV's and alternative energy. In-Reply-To: <8c28d7b50812292311p4fdaf11cxaae1164665cc2b5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <389707.79771.qm@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8c28d7b50812292311p4fdaf11cxaae1164665cc2b5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701c96a5b$42d12220$c8736660$@net> Uh, so I missed it.what part of the 45cents per gallon or so that we now pay as gas tax is too hard for Americans to swallow? -MT From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of patrick0101 at gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:12 PM To: Ray Blackburn Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Tuffer times for EV's and alternative energy. A gas tax would be a tough thing for Americans to swallow. However, to quote Friedman again: "A gas tax reduces gasoline demand and keeps dollars in America, dries up funding for terrorists and reduces the clout of Iran and Russia at a time when Obama will be looking for greater leverage against petro-dictatorships. It reduces our current account deficit, which strengthens the dollar. It reduces U.S. carbon emissions driving climate change, which means more global respect for America. And it increases the incentives for U.S. innovation on clean cars and clean-tech. Which one of these things wouldn't we want? A gasoline tax "is not just win-win; it's win, win, win, win, win," says the Johns Hopkins author and foreign policy specialist Michael Mandelbaum. "A gasoline tax would do more for American prosperity and strength than any other measure Obama could propose." Regards, Pat On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Ray Blackburn wrote: It is all about the money. They will only build what they can sell. EZ-Go would sell hwy EV's if they sold like Cessna's and Bell Helicopters. In my opinion 90% of all Americans are motivated to change if it effects there wallet in a positive nature. Sure if kids are choking on pollution that is motivation for change but short of that it is money. The government gives incentives but it is not enough. What really kills the EV is inexpensive gas. Main stream Americans will look harder at EV's when gas is high. Now with the down economy and low gas prices main stream people have much less reason to consider EV's as a mode of transportation. What might work is to put a floor on gas prices. Use the funds between the floor and the real price of gas to fund olny green projects like EV's , solar panels, electricity infrastructure and so on. Oil needs to become less attractive to mainstream people. If something like this were implemented now, we could get a leg up on things. When it becomes apparent to the mainstream population via exsorbdent gas prices that they need EV's massed produced, we would not be so far behind. As it is now, we have these peaks and lows of both funding and awareness for EV's and alternative energy that ebb and flow with the price and or demand of fossil fuels. Oh yea thanks for the info. I wrote the Senator. Ray. _____ Rather than a bail out ICE producers, should our legislators spur on Tesla's sedans or other electric production in Oregon too? What if we were building American Electric cars good enough to export to world? Seems like we should write our increasingly green lawmakers and suggest that they support green automobile production in Oregon. The pen is mightier than the sword. I did not see that Jeff Merkley has his official contact through the Senatorial website yet, nor does his campaign website have a good contact option. Mekley campaigned as supporting environmentally friendly options and job creation. I believe Senator Wyden's contact info is below: It would be great if EZ-go started making vehicles for civilian usage too. They ought to have the know how since they own EZ-Go, Cessna and Bell Helicopters. They also just bought Lancair aircraft in Bend Oregon. -----Original Message----- From: patrick0101 at gmail.com [mailto:patrick0101 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 02:52 PM To: 'OEVA' Subject: [Oeva-list] Sherwood Police go EV http://www.sherwoodgazette.com/news/story.php?story_id=123034332547055500 _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081230/802f3326/attachment.html From cje at hevanet.com Tue Dec 30 06:24:45 2008 From: cje at hevanet.com (cje at hevanet.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:24:45 GMT Subject: [Oeva-list] Tuffer times for EV's and alternative energy. Message-ID: <200812301424.mBUEOjhX052408@broadway.hevanet.com> I do know that during summer when gas was $4+, one of the presidential campaign ideas was a "tax holiday" on gas. That was popular in some circles. Curt Erickson Lurkin' > Uh, so I missed it.what part of the 45cents per gallon or so that we now pay > as gas tax is too hard for Americans to swallow? > > -MT From pusa411 at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 07:01:50 2008 From: pusa411 at gmail.com (DANIEL T CONWAY PREMIUM-USA) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:01:50 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 62, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <793086120812300701m60449cav42783ec165b2d015@mail.gmail.com> A gas tax of 40 cents a gallon would yeild approximately 240 BILLION Dollars a year, according to some, that could be used for EV's and high CO2 Fuel alternatives.. To soften the effect on the economy it could start at 20 cents ie ~$2 a gallon now and ramp up 2 cents a week until you hit a minimum base for gasoline of $3 a gallon for regular.... THX.. Daniel T Conway Premium-USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081230/13eed2fb/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 20:47:21 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:47:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Is my lead-acid battery pack dead? Message-ID: <113477.66394.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I think I finally killed my first battery pack and would like to hear from some folks who have been around awhile to confirm if this is true. Here's what I've got: - 8600 miles driven - typically plugged in twice a day to initiate a charge sequence - 18 8-v flooded golf cart batteries (USBattery 8VGCHC) (144V pack) - Zivan NG3 charger The Zivan charger does bulk charging up to 171.6 volts and then holds that voltage until the current comes down. Recently, I've found that the pack never gets above 170 volts during bulk charge even though the pack is "boiling" rather vigorously. Each battery is sitting around 9.4-9.5V during bulk charge. I wake up in the morning now and find that its 40 degrees outside but the pack is at 80 degrees due to heat generation from bulk charge. I've also heard that the Zivan chargers tend to kill battery packs due to over charging. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I can still drive around and get to work but I bet my batteries are going quickly. Cheers, Tim P.S. Anyone interested in a pile of limited capacity 8V flooded batteries for cheap in case I need a new pack? They all seem to have aged equally. From gary.graunke at intel.com Wed Dec 31 10:25:07 2008 From: gary.graunke at intel.com (Graunke, Gary) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:25:07 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Is my lead-acid battery pack dead? In-Reply-To: <113477.66394.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <113477.66394.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97290EEAF4BC@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Tim, Clearly you have some thermal runaway with at least some of the batteries. This will cause a CV/CC charger to overcharge the rest of the pack, if it doesn't have a time, thermal, or AH limit to also shut it off. Of course, monitoring individual battery (or even cell) voltages to slow down/shut off the charger would also help--this is a requirement for all but flooded cells. It looks like it is a good idea for them as well! I had this with some old hawkers that I ran for a while. Some batteries will actually drop in voltage and then heat up while charging. This may prevent your pack from reaching the CV point. Usually for many reasons a few batteries will suffer reduced AH, and thus greater depth-of-discharge (DOD) as well as more overcharging. This is self-reinforcing, so those batteries will die first. But with a good BMS/charger, they won't take out the rest of the pack. As a rule, a good lead pack of adequate size and power (30% of vehicle weight is batteries) can get about 15000 miles, if you keep the usual DOD to 50%, don't leave them sitting uncharged, etc. But most of us don't get it right the first time, and do worse. (Sometimes we do much worse in the case total lack of battery management. Unfortunately, there are commercial products out there with no BMS, and the manufacturer has no clue about caring for batteries and even gives customers bad advice!). Now might be a good time to look at the packtracker data (does it follow charging as well?). Getting your battery management system to work with aging batteries is a good exercise *before* you buy a new pack. If it can handle unmatched batteries, it will do fine with a shiny new pack of fairly equal batteries (except perhaps for manufacturing defects/variances). If you have more detailed data, that would be worth looking at. It's also interesting to note how many KWH your pack was, and your usual miles driven (or KWH consumed) between charges. The batteries are pretty much the only maintenance item on an EV. But it is easy to ignore them. With a good BMS, you can check on them once in a good while. Not only will it extend the life of all the batteries, it will alert you when the first battery dies (or just loses enough capacity to limit your range) and prevent it from taking out the rest of the pack. Gary -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Tim Kutscha Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:47 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Is my lead-acid battery pack dead? Hi All, I think I finally killed my first battery pack and would like to hear from some folks who have been around awhile to confirm if this is true. Here's what I've got: - 8600 miles driven - typically plugged in twice a day to initiate a charge sequence - 18 8-v flooded golf cart batteries (USBattery 8VGCHC) (144V pack) - Zivan NG3 charger The Zivan charger does bulk charging up to 171.6 volts and then holds that voltage until the current comes down. Recently, I've found that the pack never gets above 170 volts during bulk charge even though the pack is "boiling" rather vigorously. Each battery is sitting around 9.4-9.5V during bulk charge. I wake up in the morning now and find that its 40 degrees outside but the pack is at 80 degrees due to heat generation from bulk charge. I've also heard that the Zivan chargers tend to kill battery packs due to over charging. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I can still drive around and get to work but I bet my batteries are going quickly. Cheers, Tim P.S. Anyone interested in a pile of limited capacity 8V flooded batteries for cheap in case I need a new pack? They all seem to have aged equally. _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 14:15:00 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:15:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA Monthly Meeting on January 8th, 7pm at World Trade Center References: <729267.9860.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <437234.96636.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello OEVA folks, It's time for another monthly meeting next Thursday, January 8th. Everyone, member or not, is welcome to attend our meetings. We'll gather as usual at 7:00PM for show-and-tell of EVs and start the meeting at 7:30PM. We meet at Two World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The street-side charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. Agenda for the general meeting: 7:30 - Welcome new people (logistics like membership, T-shirts, flyers, e-mail list) - Announcements - Review past EVents and upcoming EVents - Updates on member EV projects 8:15 - Break into subgroups Newcomers - Michael or Tim EV Awareness Day - Patrick Meet local EV small-businesses - Ron or Jim 9:00 - End the meeting so we can get home or look more at EVs I heard through the grapevine that there's a chance a newly converted RAV4 EV with lithium-ion batteries and a Synkromotive controller might show up. Please feel free to bring information, questions and vehicles! Non-OEVA-members are welcome to attend! Cheers, Tim Kutscha OEVA Chair From ragee at wbcable.net Wed Dec 31 16:25:56 2008 From: ragee at wbcable.net (Robert Agee) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:25:56 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] local members Message-ID: <001301c96ba7$835647b0$6500a8c0@T6520> Is there any members around the McMinnville area? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081231/768a212a/attachment.html From AlphaWaveE at aol.com Wed Dec 31 19:36:47 2008 From: AlphaWaveE at aol.com (AlphaWaveE at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:36:47 EST Subject: [Oeva-list] Lower Columbia Electric Vehicle Association Message-ID: Hi All, In case any of you out there are interested, the LCEVA is meeting next Tuesday, Jan. 06/09. 6:30 for Show and Tell and 7:00 for the meeting. I plan on bringing my electric quad to the meeting and if anyone else wishes to bring something, that would be great. Wade **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081231/62785793/attachment.html From AlphaWaveE at aol.com Wed Dec 31 19:42:30 2008 From: AlphaWaveE at aol.com (AlphaWaveE at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:42:30 EST Subject: [Oeva-list] LCEVA Message-ID: Hi all, Please accept my apologies. LCEVA meets in Longview Washington at the Cowlitz PUD, address 961 12th Av. Any questions, call Wade Patterson (360) 425-6252, or cell (360) 560-4612 or David Nelson at (360) 901-6466 Happy New Year Wade **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081231/2b080f2b/attachment.html