From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 00:34:54 2008 From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:34:54 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Request from matt pettigrew Message-ID: <83b7b17c0810010034o1dc3dfael9e34dd9940504f1f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Matt, I think it's great that the library has a charging station. The main issue with it is that it uses an Avcon connector which very few vehicles can use. There is an adapter available but not many people have the adapter either. Last time I was at the library I noticed that there is at least one standard outlet in the garage. Most "neighborhood electric vehicles" NEVs and other smaller vehicles such as the ZAP use standard 120VAC outlets. Signs could be added to these outlets to let EV drivers know they are available for charging. You could also add one of the charging stations our company manufacturers, that was produced for the PGE program. They have a very high visual impact. It is shown in the following links. '*Charging stations*' crop up as electric cars enter mainstream *...* KATU - Video - September 23, 2008 Free plug-in *stations* open for electric cars | Business | kgw.com *...* KGW - Video - September 22, 2008 In general, I think adding signs indicating plug-in vehicle charging is allowed will help with public awareness. Maybe even put some out in front of the building. ODOT recently developed the attached charging station sign. I'll copy them on this email to see how businesses and other entities can get these signs. Jeff Kim Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies Direct (503) 686-8844 Office (503) 892-7345 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com New contact information: 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Fax (503) 802-7347 On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Jeff Kim wrote: > >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> From: "tim_kutscha at yahoo.com" >> To: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com >> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:24:16 PM >> Subject: OEVA Contact Request from matt pettigrew >> >> matt pettigrew (pettigrw at gmail.com) has sent you (office: chair) the >> following feedback from the OEVA website: >> >> greetings, >> >> i work for the multnomah county library at the hillsdale branch. as you >> know, we have an electric vehicle charging station in our parking garage >> below the library. however, it seems as though the station hardly ever gets >> used. i was trying to think of some ways to promote the charging station so >> that various owners of electric vehicles in the area could use the station. >> my hope is that if more electric vehicle owners use the station(especially >> the zap zebra flash sedan!), then the public would be more exposed to them >> as they walk past the station. this may lead them to ask questions and >> ultimately find out about electric vehicle dealerships in the area. >> >> the great thing about this particular station is that owners of electric >> vehicles can search around on the internet(w/ their own laptop or by using a >> library computer terminal) or even watch a dvd while their vehicle is >> charging. >> >> anyway, thanks for your time. i'm just brainstorming here and seeing if >> you may able to provide me with some information or point me in the right >> direction. >> >> >> best regards, >> matt pettigrew >> >> -- >> >> -- Jeff Kim Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies Direct (503) 686-8844 Office (503) 892-7345 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com New contact information: 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Fax (503) 802-7347 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081001/671b3e3c/attachment.html From rmerwin at aracnet.com Wed Oct 1 05:41:54 2008 From: rmerwin at aracnet.com (Ralph Merwin) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 05:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Charging station at Hillsdale library branch? In-Reply-To: <8c28d7b50809302241q58f47212l37350cb5cd443a4b@mail.gmail.com> from "patrick0101@gmail.com" at Sep 30, 2008 10:41:37 PM Message-ID: <200810011241.m91Cfslc010464@onyx.spiritone.com> Note that the Avcon converters such as those sold by the EAA only convert the Avcon outlet to a 240v 15-40 connector, and that there is no neutral connection, just two hots and an earth ground. This means no 120v charging with these connectors. It would be good to convert the library's charging station to the standard station being deployed in the rest of the Portland area. Ralph patrick0101 at gmail.com writes: > > --===============2069189545== > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_Part_91946_22941752.1222839697752" > > ------=_Part_91946_22941752.1222839697752 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > There are Avcon converters that allow it to be used for other vehicles as > well. I agree that it is important that people know what type of charging > station is there: Avcon, LPI, SPI, 120V, 240V with Amp and plug type(s)... > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Tony McCormick wrote: > > > It's an Avcon. It's only good for folks that can charge using that > > setup. Dan and his production Ford ranger can but he live two blocks > > away so, not very useful for him. > > --Tony > > > > patrick0101 at gmail.com wrote: > > > I'd think it would be a good idea to make a "Welcome to EV driving" > > > package that we could give to out to new EV drivers. It could include > > > a charging station location list and an invitation to join OEVA. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Tim Kutscha > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Does anyone have ideas for Matt in how to promote awareness of > > > charging station at the Hillsdale branch of the Multnomah County > > > Library? Jeff, as charging station chair, do you have any > > > thoughts? Please respond to Matt directly. (see below) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Tim > > > OEVA Chair > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > > From: "tim_kutscha at yahoo.com " > > > > > > > To: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com > > > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:24:16 PM > > > Subject: OEVA Contact Request from matt pettigrew > > > > > > matt pettigrew (pettigrw at gmail.com ) > > > has sent you (office: chair) the following feedback from the OEVA > > > website: > > > > > > greetings, > > > > > > i work for the multnomah county library at the hillsdale branch. > > > as you know, we have an electric vehicle charging station in our > > > parking garage below the library. however, it seems as though the > > > station hardly ever gets used. i was trying to think of some ways > > > to promote the charging station so that various owners of electric > > > vehicles in the area could use the station. my hope is that if > > > more electric vehicle owners use the station(especially the zap > > > zebra flash sedan!), then the public would be more exposed to them > > > as they walk past the station. this may lead them to ask questions > > > and ultimately find out about electric vehicle dealerships in the > > > area. > > > > > > the great thing about this particular station is that owners of > > > electric vehicles can search around on the internet(w/ their own > > > laptop or by using a library computer terminal) or even watch a > > > dvd while their vehicle is charging. > > > > > > anyway, thanks for your time. i'm just brainstorming here and > > > seeing if you may able to provide me with some information or > > > point me in the right direction. > > > > > > > > > best regards, > > > matt pettigrew > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Pat > > > Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon > > -- > > Tony McCormick > > -------------------------------- > > http://www.notebene.net & > > http://www.backporchrevival.com > > > -- > Regards, > Pat > Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon > > ------=_Part_91946_22941752.1222839697752 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > >
There are Avcon converters that allow it to be used for other vehicles as well.  I agree that it is important that people know what type of charging station is there: Avcon, LPI, SPI, 120V, 240V with Amp and plug type(s)... 
>

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Tony McCormick <tony at notebene.net> wrote:
> It's an Avcon.  It's only good for folks that can charge using that
> setup.   Dan and his production Ford ranger can but he live two blocks
> away so, not very useful for him.
> --Tony
>

> patrick0101 at gmail.com wrote:
> > I'd think it would be a good idea to make a "Welcome to EV driving"
> > package that we could give to out to new EV drivers.  It could include
> > a charging station location list and an invitation to join OEVA.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Tim Kutscha <tim_kutscha at yahoo.com
>
> <mailto:tim_kutscha at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi All,
> >
> >       Does anyone have ideas for Matt in how to promote awareness of
> >     charging station at the Hillsdale branch of the Multnomah County
> >     Library?  Jeff, as charging station chair, do you have any
> >     thoughts?  Please respond to Matt directly.  (see below)
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >     Tim
> >     OEVA Chair
> >
> >     ----- Forwarded Message ----
>
>     From: "tim_kutscha at yahoo.com <mailto:tim_kutscha at yahoo.com>"
> >     <tim_kutscha at yahoo.com <mailto:tim_kutscha at yahoo.com>>
> >     To: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com <mailto:tim_kutscha at yahoo.com>
> >     Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:24:16 PM
> >     Subject: OEVA Contact Request from matt pettigrew
> >
>
>     matt pettigrew (pettigrw at gmail.com <mailto:pettigrw at gmail.com>)
> >     has sent you (office: chair) the following feedback from the OEVA
> >     website:
> >
> >     greetings,
> >
> >     i work for the multnomah county library at the hillsdale branch.
> >     as you know, we have an electric vehicle charging station in our
> >     parking garage below the library.  however, it seems as though the
> >     station hardly ever gets used.  i was trying to think of some ways
> >     to promote the charging station so that various owners of electric
> >     vehicles in the area could use the station. my hope is that if
> >     more electric vehicle owners use the station(especially the zap
> >     zebra flash sedan!), then the public would be more exposed to them
> >     as they walk past the station. this may lead them to ask questions
> >     and ultimately find out about electric vehicle dealerships in the
> >     area.
> >
> >     the great thing about this particular station is that owners of
> >     electric vehicles can search around on the internet(w/ their own
> >     laptop or by using a library computer terminal) or even watch a
> >     dvd while their vehicle is charging.
> >
> >     anyway, thanks for your time.  i'm just brainstorming here and
> >     seeing if you may able to provide me with some information or
> >     point me in the right direction.
> >
> >
> >     best regards,
> >     matt pettigrew
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Pat
> > Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon
>
--
> Tony McCormick
> --------------------------------
> http://www.notebene.net &
> http://www.backporchrevival.com
--
Regards,
Pat
Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon
>
> > ------=_Part_91946_22941752.1222839697752-- > > --===============2069189545== > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > --===============2069189545==-- > From praskal at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 08:49:58 2008 From: praskal at gmail.com (Patrick Rask) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:49:58 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EEStor and LightEVs Message-ID: <64d03b130810010849t5430d795o246babd76f957175@mail.gmail.com> For us electric bike riders: did you guys see that EEStor signed a deal with Eugene based LightEVs (Light Electric Vehicles Company) to make propulsion systems for 2 and 3 wheeled ev's. "We are planning an electric bicycle that will have a one kilowatt-hour EESU weighing less than five pounds which should provide approximately 100 miles or more of range, and we are considering a three-wheel two-passenger electric vehicle which could offer EESU options permitting ranges from about 120 miles to over 500 miles on a single charge, and a top speed of over 85 mph." http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/09/lightevs-signs.html Nice... patrick On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:07 PM, wrote: > I'd think it would be a good idea to make a "Welcome to EV driving" package > that we could give to out to new EV drivers. It could include a charging > station location list and an invitation to join OEVA. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Tim Kutscha wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Does anyone have ideas for Matt in how to promote awareness of charging >> station at the Hillsdale branch of the Multnomah County Library? Jeff, as >> charging station chair, do you have any thoughts? Please respond to Matt >> directly. (see below) >> >> Cheers, >> Tim >> OEVA Chair >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> From: "tim_kutscha at yahoo.com" >> To: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com >> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:24:16 PM >> Subject: OEVA Contact Request from matt pettigrew >> >> matt pettigrew (pettigrw at gmail.com) has sent you (office: chair) the >> following feedback from the OEVA website: >> >> greetings, >> >> i work for the multnomah county library at the hillsdale branch. as you >> know, we have an electric vehicle charging station in our parking garage >> below the library. however, it seems as though the station hardly ever gets >> used. i was trying to think of some ways to promote the charging station so >> that various owners of electric vehicles in the area could use the station. >> my hope is that if more electric vehicle owners use the station(especially >> the zap zebra flash sedan!), then the public would be more exposed to them >> as they walk past the station. this may lead them to ask questions and >> ultimately find out about electric vehicle dealerships in the area. >> >> the great thing about this particular station is that owners of electric >> vehicles can search around on the internet(w/ their own laptop or by using a >> library computer terminal) or even watch a dvd while their vehicle is >> charging. >> >> anyway, thanks for your time. i'm just brainstorming here and seeing if >> you may able to provide me with some information or point me in the right >> direction. >> >> >> best regards, >> matt pettigrew >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > > > -- > Regards, > Pat > Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Wed Oct 1 08:52:37 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA Monthly Meeting on October 9th, 7pm at World Trade Center Message-ID: <928248.65342.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello OEVA folks, It's time for another monthly meeting next Thursday, October 9th. Everyone, member or not, is welcome to attend our meetings. We'll gather as usual at 7:00PM for show-and-tell of EVs and start the meeting at 7:30PM. We meet at Two World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The street-side charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. Agenda for the general meeting: 7:30 - Welcome new people (logistics like membership, T-shirts, flyers, e-mail list) - Announcements and vote on new EV Awareness Day Chair and Webmaster - Brainstorm and survey on how get people more involved in OEVA - Review past EVents and upcoming EVents - Presentation by Patrick Connor on the latest plug-in vehicles - Updates on member EV projects 9:00 - End the meeting so we can get home or look more at EVs I'll be sending out survey soon asking how people want to get involved so that we can plan for next year. Please feel free to bring information, questions and vehicles! Non-OEVA-members are welcome to attend! Cheers, Tim Kutscha OEVA Chair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081001/7f7cfe3f/attachment-0001.html From bob at research13.com Wed Oct 1 21:29:57 2008 From: bob at research13.com (bob at research13.com) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:29:57 +0000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Reliable machine shop Message-ID: There's also a gentleman named Carl Jantz at Jantz Engineering in Poulsbo Wa. who has done adapter plates for many things and he mentioned he has also worked with the guy who did the J. James electric car on the Discovery channel. He can fabricate or machine almost anything. He's done work for Boeing and has a custom auto focus. His flyer says "For do it yourselfers, we will keep your costs down by doing only what you can't do yourself, and give you free guidance on what you can do yourself." He mentioned some availability/quick turnaround. His phone is (360) 598-2773. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Brian Newman [mailto:brian at briannewmanmusic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:26 AM To: 'Norris-York, William' Cc: Oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Reliable machine shop Bill, I highly recommend Manutek Inc. (I was a machinist there years ago) The owner, Paul Miller, is very knowledgeable with custom auto. They have an array of CNC machines and welding capabilities. -Brian Contact info: http://www.manutekmfg.com/index.html 503/630-5999 1150 NW Commerce Ct. Estacada 97023 On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Norris-York, William wrote: Where is the best machine shop to use to cut the aluminum I have for the transmission adapter plate? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list 023 On Sep ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081002/8e3541af/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Thu Oct 2 09:19:31 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Spirit of DC landing in Portland, Sunday Oct 5th 4pm at WTC Message-ID: <517703.40299.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello OEVA folks, Jerry Asher is driving The Spirit of DC, a plug-in hybrid, all around America and will be stopping in Portland this Sunday to chat with OEVA members. We'll meet Sunday, Oct. 5th at 4pm at the charging station at SW 1st and Salmon near the World Trade Center and then head out for some chips and salsa at a local place. Please come and support Jerry on his trip to raise awareness of plug-in hybrids! You can get more info on the trip at http://www.phev3a.com/ See you Sunday! Cheers, Tim Kutscha OEVA Chair ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message from Power of DC advocate, Joe Lado: I am Joe Lado. You may know me as a blogger on EVWorld, or the Daily Koz, or the Booman Tripbune or... well I like to write about EVs a lot. I don't, however, just write about plug-ins, I am a big advocate of them in very quiet ways. You will find me getting water for people like Andy Frank and Felix Kramer water when they spoke at the nation's Captitol, you will find me bringing tables, chairs and canopies to the Power of DC drag race and autocross, you will find me organizing EVs for EPA's Sustainable Design Expo, aranging EVs and plug-ins for events at the National Science Foundation, posting blogs for Chelsea Sexton as Chelsea Sexton at various blog sites and more. Helping and advocating for EVs is what I love doing. NOW I am helping Jerry Asher and his vehicle the Spirit of DC, a plug-in hybrid, with their trip all around America. Of all the things I have been involved in this is the most important EV task that I have ever been involved in. We are working to give people in every state a chance to hear and see a working plug-in vehicle. Jerry is traveling through Oregon and stopping in Portland in the next few days. He has been on the road since April. This has been a hard, long and sometime lonely trip. Much longer and harder than we imagined when we first planed it. He is going to need a place to stay, food, electricity and welcoming support. Any help getting the word out to the local media would be big help as well. We have been getting lots of media attention in the North Central region. Almost every capitol Jerry has visited has come with some king of TV news. We also have had nice events surrounding his visits, such as school alternative vehicles days, politicians such as the mayor of Spokane meeting with Jerry at the steps of the capitol. He has had a really good run lately and it has bouyed all of our spirits. We want to keep it up. Ask your club members to come out and welcome Jerry and do what they can to make his stop there comfortable. Have them come out and be a part of this historic endeavor to make plug-ins the norm in our country. Call Jerry at (202) 486-5450. You can follow his movements on the maps on our website www.phev3a.com. Thanks for listening Joseph Lado -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking perhaps your organization would be interested in being a part of this operation. It could be great plublicity for you and would help raise awareness in our community that there are choices even with the vehicles we drive. If you have any questions or comments feel free to reach me at 503-764-5032. This is my personal cell phone so call any time. thanks for your time, Rebekah Clock Thanks, Paul OEVA Onging Events Chair ____________________________________________________________ Get the shot you need with a discreet new spy camera. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m1ErOfjXoPgXP1ycR2J7s0WnTuKPJMaUEiYomikYt4M8tap/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Daimler has been testing 100 or so of the Smart EDs in London since last year and has said it will also test 100 more in Berlin soon. The tiny Smart ED will be able to travel some 90 miles on a full charge and has a top speed of about 74 miles per hour. sources: MSNBC.com, Popular Mechanics, The Times -- Regards, Pat Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081003/b32258d4/attachment.html From linc.thomas at comcast.net Fri Oct 3 15:18:45 2008 From: linc.thomas at comcast.net (linc.thomas at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:18:45 +0000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? Message-ID: <100320082218.20675.48E69A4500019EE2000050C322155688849C0E0301089BD20C020704@comcast.net> Does anybody know the details of the congressional bailout plan passed today, regarding the plug-in EV tax credit? Would it apply to homemade/kit-made EV conversions, or only to buying certain corporate-made EVs? >From http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/plenty-perks-taxpayers-savers-final/story.aspx?guid={64473848-11F3-40FC-98AC-83F26C4807D2} "There's a new tax credit aimed at purchasers of plug-in electric vehicles, such as the as-yet-unavailable GM's Chevy Volt, Kunkel said." I see the "Tax Credits" section on your Resources page ( http://www.oeva.org/resources ). Does the bailout change anything for conversions? Lincoln Thomas '86 VW Cabriolet ICE owner and future EV conversion of same. Portland From alan at batie.org Fri Oct 3 17:37:32 2008 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:37:32 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? 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Alternative Refueling Stations: The 30% credit for alternative refueling property is extended through 2010 and has been expanded to include electric vehicle recharging property. ----- Original Message ----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org To: OEVA Sent: Fri Oct 03 17:37:32 2008 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? linc.thomas at comcast.net wrote: > Does anybody know the details of the congressional bailout plan passed today, regarding the plug-in EV tax credit? There's a little more info in this link from the volt site: http://gm-volt.com/2008/10/03/along-with-wall-street-bailout-plug-in-car-tax-credit-is-passed-chevy-volt-now-7500-less/ From paburkey at juno.com Mon Oct 6 08:46:59 2008 From: paburkey at juno.com (Paul A Burkey) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Community Action's Energy Fair this Saturday! Message-ID: <20081006.084700.6028.21.paburkey@juno.com> Hi, The Community Action's Energy Fair would like to see EV's, Saturday, October 11th at Aloha High School, 18550 SW Kinnaman Rd., Beaverton. Fair runs from 9:30 am-2:00 pm. Set-up starts at 8:30 am. Thanks, Paul Burkey OEVA Ongoing Event Chair ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on getting an MBA, $200K/ year potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l7wXnSBBn7LQQVCSm9pZBECtoUk9hHooGVg0yAQ0YeSdXSZ/ From emily at arcimoto.com Mon Oct 6 11:30:02 2008 From: emily at arcimoto.com (Emily Ramage) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:30:02 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? In-Reply-To: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7AAE356B@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> References: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7AAE356B@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> Message-ID: <2d5495f90810061130n3dd21e19qaf0503f148bf041@mail.gmail.com> Here is the link to the bill: http://www.rules.house.gov/110/text/110_hr4221_text.pdf The text regarding plug-in electric vehicles is section 205 (pg 186 of pdf file). I believe that it outlines a $2,500 base credit for vehicles with at least 4 kWh of traction battery capacity, and $417 for each kWh of traction battery capacity over 4 kWh. The text regarding alternative fuel vehicle refueling property credit is section 207 (pg 197 of pdf file). On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Rick Durst wrote: > Here is part of itm > > TRANSPORTATION PROVISIONS > PHEVs: There is a new plug-in electric drive vehicle credit for passenger > vehicles and light trucks ranging from $2,500, to $7,500. > > > > Alternative Refueling Stations: The 30% credit for alternative refueling > property is extended through 2010 and has been expanded to include electric > vehicle recharging property. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > To: OEVA > Sent: Fri Oct 03 17:37:32 2008 > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? > > linc.thomas at comcast.net wrote: > > Does anybody know the details of the congressional bailout plan passed > today, regarding the plug-in EV tax credit? > > There's a little more info in this link from the volt site: > > > http://gm-volt.com/2008/10/03/along-with-wall-street-bailout-plug-in-car-tax-credit-is-passed-chevy-volt-now-7500-less/ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081006/b3ed4ac3/attachment.html From emily at arcimoto.com Mon Oct 6 11:32:13 2008 From: emily at arcimoto.com (Emily Ramage) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:32:13 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? In-Reply-To: <2d5495f90810061130n3dd21e19qaf0503f148bf041@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7AAE356B@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> <2d5495f90810061130n3dd21e19qaf0503f148bf041@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d5495f90810061132m81e9eb6t5c566a70747e3d9@mail.gmail.com> Whoops - I forgot something in my previous email about the bailout bill. It is my understanding that the credit is only available to the first 250,000 eligible claims. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Emily Ramage wrote: > Here is the link to the bill: > http://www.rules.house.gov/110/text/110_hr4221_text.pdf > > The text regarding plug-in electric vehicles is section 205 (pg 186 of pdf > file). I believe that it outlines a $2,500 base credit for vehicles with at > least 4 kWh of traction battery capacity, and $417 for each kWh of traction > battery capacity over 4 kWh. > The text regarding alternative fuel vehicle refueling property credit is > section 207 (pg 197 of pdf file). > > > > On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Rick Durst wrote: > >> Here is part of itm >> >> TRANSPORTATION PROVISIONS >> PHEVs: There is a new plug-in electric drive vehicle credit for passenger >> vehicles and light trucks ranging from $2,500, to $7,500. >> >> >> >> Alternative Refueling Stations: The 30% credit for alternative refueling >> property is extended through 2010 and has been expanded to include electric >> vehicle recharging property. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org >> To: OEVA >> Sent: Fri Oct 03 17:37:32 2008 >> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? >> >> linc.thomas at comcast.net wrote: >> > Does anybody know the details of the congressional bailout plan passed >> today, regarding the plug-in EV tax credit? >> >> There's a little more info in this link from the volt site: >> >> >> http://gm-volt.com/2008/10/03/along-with-wall-street-bailout-plug-in-car-tax-credit-is-passed-chevy-volt-now-7500-less/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081006/22e9f840/attachment.html From emily at arcimoto.com Mon Oct 6 12:20:16 2008 From: emily at arcimoto.com (Emily Ramage) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:20:16 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? In-Reply-To: <2d5495f90810061132m81e9eb6t5c566a70747e3d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7AAE356B@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> <2d5495f90810061130n3dd21e19qaf0503f148bf041@mail.gmail.com> <2d5495f90810061132m81e9eb6t5c566a70747e3d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d5495f90810061220r5d872b7fm7f200d2db104f40a@mail.gmail.com> I am sorry to spam the group - but I gave incorrect information in my last email regarding eligibility, and I don't want to spread false information. I just reread the section on eligibility, and it is a little more complicated than strictly allowing the credit for the first 250,000 vehicles. The 250,000-vehicles-sold-point determines the start of the phaseout period for the credit. I would recommend reading the bill for full details on eligibility. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Emily Ramage wrote: > Whoops - I forgot something in my previous email about the bailout bill. > It is my understanding that the credit is only available to the first > 250,000 eligible claims. > > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Emily Ramage wrote: > >> Here is the link to the bill: >> http://www.rules.house.gov/110/text/110_hr4221_text.pdf >> >> The text regarding plug-in electric vehicles is section 205 (pg 186 of pdf >> file). I believe that it outlines a $2,500 base credit for vehicles with at >> least 4 kWh of traction battery capacity, and $417 for each kWh of traction >> battery capacity over 4 kWh. >> The text regarding alternative fuel vehicle refueling property credit is >> section 207 (pg 197 of pdf file). >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Rick Durst wrote: >> >>> Here is part of itm >>> >>> TRANSPORTATION PROVISIONS >>> PHEVs: There is a new plug-in electric drive vehicle credit for passenger >>> vehicles and light trucks ranging from $2,500, to $7,500. >>> >>> >>> >>> Alternative Refueling Stations: The 30% credit for alternative refueling >>> property is extended through 2010 and has been expanded to include electric >>> vehicle recharging property. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org >>> To: OEVA >>> Sent: Fri Oct 03 17:37:32 2008 >>> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? >>> >>> linc.thomas at comcast.net wrote: >>> > Does anybody know the details of the congressional bailout plan passed >>> today, regarding the plug-in EV tax credit? >>> >>> There's a little more info in this link from the volt site: >>> >>> >>> http://gm-volt.com/2008/10/03/along-with-wall-street-bailout-plug-in-car-tax-credit-is-passed-chevy-volt-now-7500-less/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Oeva-list mailing list >>> Oeva-list at oeva.org >>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081006/068924dd/attachment.html From khallgeisler at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 13:16:09 2008 From: khallgeisler at gmail.com (Kristen Hall-Geisler) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:16:09 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? References: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7AAE356B@APEXMAIL.corp.dom><2d5495f90810061130n3dd21e19qaf0503f148bf041@mail.gmail.com><2d5495f90810061132m81e9eb6t5c566a70747e3d9@mail.gmail.com> <2d5495f90810061220r5d872b7fm7f200d2db104f40a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Or just read my latest blog post, if you have an aversion to Congress-speak (and no one would blame you if you did): http://www.goodgreencars.com/ Kristen Hall-Geisler freelance writer | Portland, Oregon 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com From: Emily Ramage Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:20 PM To: Rick Durst Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org ; alan at batie.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? I am sorry to spam the group - but I gave incorrect information in my last email regarding eligibility, and I don't want to spread false information. I just reread the section on eligibility, and it is a little more complicated than strictly allowing the credit for the first 250,000 vehicles. The 250,000-vehicles-sold-point determines the start of the phaseout period for the credit. I would recommend reading the bill for full details on eligibility. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081006/dc6e7f8c/attachment.html From nevokyay at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 14:02:07 2008 From: nevokyay at yahoo.com (Nev Okyay) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <259076.98243.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Is this credit only applicable to brand new vehicles purchased from dealerships, or can it be used for EV conversion costs as well? does anybody know? thanks, - nev --- Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: > Or just read my latest blog post, if you have an > aversion to Congress-speak (and no one would blame > you if you did): http://www.goodgreencars.com/ > > Kristen Hall-Geisler > freelance writer | Portland, Oregon > 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com > > > > From: Emily Ramage > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:20 PM > To: Rick Durst > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org ; alan at batie.org > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects > EVs? > > > I am sorry to spam the group - but I gave incorrect > information in my last email regarding eligibility, > and I don't want to spread false information. I > just reread the section on eligibility, and it is a > little more complicated than strictly allowing the > credit for the first 250,000 vehicles. The > 250,000-vehicles-sold-point determines the start of > the phaseout period for the credit. I would > recommend reading the bill for full details on > eligibility. > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From khallgeisler at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 14:06:40 2008 From: khallgeisler at gmail.com (Kristen Hall-Geisler) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:06:40 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? References: <259076.98243.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It can only be used for new vehicles built by a manufacturer. Home conversions cannot use the credit. - khg Kristen Hall-Geisler freelance writer | Portland, Oregon 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nev Okyay" Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:02 PM To: Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? > > Is this credit only applicable to brand new vehicles > purchased from dealerships, or can it be used > for EV conversion costs as well? does anybody know? > thanks, > - nev > > --- Kristen Hall-Geisler > wrote: > >> Or just read my latest blog post, if you have an >> aversion to Congress-speak (and no one would blame >> you if you did): http://www.goodgreencars.com/ >> >> Kristen Hall-Geisler >> freelance writer | Portland, Oregon >> 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com >> >> >> >> From: Emily Ramage >> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:20 PM >> To: Rick Durst >> Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org ; alan at batie.org >> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects >> EVs? >> >> >> I am sorry to spam the group - but I gave incorrect >> information in my last email regarding eligibility, >> and I don't want to spread false information. I >> just reread the section on eligibility, and it is a >> little more complicated than strictly allowing the >> credit for the first 250,000 vehicles. The >> 250,000-vehicles-sold-point determines the start of >> the phaseout period for the credit. I would >> recommend reading the bill for full details on >> eligibility. >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From nickgaladay at msn.com Mon Oct 6 21:37:06 2008 From: nickgaladay at msn.com (Nick Galaday) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:37:06 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] After market phev options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's an article about some aftermarket plug-in hybrid conversion choices. http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/10/plug-ins-arent.html ConVerdant Vehicles (New England) looks interesting. http://www.converdantvehicles.com/index.html Nick Galaday Vernonia, OR 97064-1180 ___Energy Conservation .....saves more than energy! From javabrewery at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 12:00:31 2008 From: javabrewery at yahoo.com (Sonny N.) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Futuristic looking Electric Car from Venturi Message-ID: <197371.21708.qm@web84304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/paris-motor-show-a-jolt-from-venturi/?nl=wheels&emc=wheelsa1 ? It also talks about an affordable Electric Car and a conversion kit. ? Thanks. ? Sonny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081007/e2c08cbb/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 23:45:16 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 23:45:16 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? In-Reply-To: References: <259076.98243.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810072345u488415f9g89d9cdacb69bcded@mail.gmail.com> Kristen (or anyone else), What is this part of the bill? The bill also extends the 30% clean-burning fuel property tax credit to electricity, and moves the deadline for taking the credit out a year to December 2010. Can I get a tax credit for the electricity I use to fuel my EV? On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: > It can only be used for new vehicles built by a manufacturer. Home > conversions cannot use the credit. - khg > > Kristen Hall-Geisler > freelance writer | Portland, Oregon > 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Nev Okyay" > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:02 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? > > > > > Is this credit only applicable to brand new vehicles > > purchased from dealerships, or can it be used > > for EV conversion costs as well? does anybody know? > > thanks, > > - nev > > > > --- Kristen Hall-Geisler > > wrote: > > > >> Or just read my latest blog post, if you have an > >> aversion to Congress-speak (and no one would blame > >> you if you did): http://www.goodgreencars.com/ > >> > >> Kristen Hall-Geisler > >> freelance writer | Portland, Oregon > >> 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Emily Ramage > >> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:20 PM > >> To: Rick Durst > >> Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org ; alan at batie.org > >> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects > >> EVs? > >> > >> > >> I am sorry to spam the group - but I gave incorrect > >> information in my last email regarding eligibility, > >> and I don't want to spread false information. I > >> just reread the section on eligibility, and it is a > >> little more complicated than strictly allowing the > >> credit for the first 250,000 vehicles. The > >> 250,000-vehicles-sold-point determines the start of > >> the phaseout period for the credit. I would > >> recommend reading the bill for full details on > >> eligibility. > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> Oeva-list mailing list > >> Oeva-list at oeva.org > >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -- Regards, Pat Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081007/e41487d9/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 13:41:25 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:41:25 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] After market phev options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810081341y3cc2a700q608e13d3576cd8ac@mail.gmail.com> Great article. I am giving a presentation on this topic, plug-in hybrids, at this weeks meeting. Come see it if you are interested. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Nick Galaday wrote: > Here's an article about some aftermarket plug-in hybrid conversion choices. > > http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/10/plug-ins-arent.html > > ConVerdant Vehicles (New England) looks interesting. > > http://www.converdantvehicles.com/index.html > > Nick Galaday > Vernonia, OR 97064-1180 > > ___Energy Conservation > .....saves more than energy! > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -- Regards, Pat Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081008/253ad3aa/attachment.html From tony at notebene.net Wed Oct 8 14:08:23 2008 From: tony at notebene.net (Tony McCormick) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:08:23 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? In-Reply-To: <8c28d7b50810072345u488415f9g89d9cdacb69bcded@mail.gmail.com> References: <259076.98243.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <8c28d7b50810072345u488415f9g89d9cdacb69bcded@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48ED2147.6080003@notebene.net> That is my understanding of it as least for the "charging" infrastructure. --Tony patrick0101 at gmail.com wrote: > Kristen (or anyone else), > > What is this part of the bill? > The bill also extends the 30% clean-burning fuel property tax credit > to electricity, and moves the deadline for taking the credit out a > year to December 2010. > > Can I get a tax credit for the electricity I use to fuel my EV? > > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Kristen Hall-Geisler > > wrote: > > It can only be used for new vehicles built by a manufacturer. Home > conversions cannot use the credit. - khg > > Kristen Hall-Geisler > freelance writer | Portland, Oregon > 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Nev Okyay" > > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:02 PM > To: > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects EVs? > > > > > Is this credit only applicable to brand new vehicles > > purchased from dealerships, or can it be used > > for EV conversion costs as well? does anybody know? > > thanks, > > - nev > > > > --- Kristen Hall-Geisler > > > wrote: > > > >> Or just read my latest blog post, if you have an > >> aversion to Congress-speak (and no one would blame > >> you if you did): http://www.goodgreencars.com/ > >> > >> Kristen Hall-Geisler > >> freelance writer | Portland, Oregon > >> 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com > > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Emily Ramage > >> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:20 PM > >> To: Rick Durst > >> Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org ; > alan at batie.org > >> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Congress bailout affects > >> EVs? > >> > >> > >> I am sorry to spam the group - but I gave incorrect > >> information in my last email regarding eligibility, > >> and I don't want to spread false information. I > >> just reread the section on eligibility, and it is a > >> little more complicated than strictly allowing the > >> credit for the first 250,000 vehicles. The > >> 250,000-vehicles-sold-point determines the start of > >> the phaseout period for the credit. I would > >> recommend reading the bill for full details on > >> eligibility. > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> Oeva-list mailing list > >> Oeva-list at oeva.org > >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > -- > Regards, > Pat > Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -- Tony McCormick -------------------------------- http://www.notebene.net & http://www.backporchrevival.com From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 17:16:03 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: OEVA Contact Request from Kathy Griffin Message-ID: <686790.77915.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi OEVA folks, Would anyone in Oregon City be willing to contact Kathy (see e-mail below)? Jeff, do you have suggestions for how to handle this? Cheers, Tim OEVA Chair ----- Forwarded Message ---- Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 4:19:48 PM Subject: OEVA Contact Request from Kathy Griffin Kathy Griffin (kgriffin at ci.oregon-city.or.us) has sent you (office: chair) the following feedback from the OEVA website: Do you know if any of your members live in Oregon City? We have a new electric vehicle charging station installed in cooperation with PGE that we would like to do some PR on. I can be reached at address above or at 503.496.1555. Thank you! You can hit the reply button and it will go back to the sender. ------------------------------- Remote Host: nat.ci.oregon-city.or.us Remote IP: 207.173.203.14 User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) Referer: http://www.oeva.org/contact/newcontact.shtml?chair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081008/e71eb953/attachment.html From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 16:16:33 2008 From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:16:33 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] charging stations In-Reply-To: <8D08A877EEAB144F8553A3082B5B5BE11504D0@eco-server.ecomotion.local> References: <8D08A877EEAB144F8553A3082B5B5BE11504D0@eco-server.ecomotion.local> Message-ID: <83b7b17c0810081616s45b1a132ne31af7a825c326a8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Lisa, I've had a few people ask us this, but I was waiting to see if we could get the final locations for all 12 charging stations that we will be deploying under the PGE effort. It would be great to have one at Ecomotion. There are also quite a few other interested parties. Here's what we have so far: 1. World Trade Center - SW 1st and Salmon, Downtown Portland - Installed July 29 (there is also a charging station in the parking garage below the World Trade Center) - 120 volt, 20 amp (NEMA 5-20R) and 240 volt (NEMA 14-50R), on 30 amp breaker. 2. City of Lake Oswego - 4th and A Street, in front of Shell station - September 18 - 120 volt, 20 amp to be upgraded to the SAE standard in the future. 3. OMSI - North Parking Lot - September 19 - 120 volt, 20 amp to be upgraded to the SAE standard in the future. 4. PGE Salem - not sure when it was installed - delivered September 22 - 120 volt, 20 amp to be upgraded to the SAE standard in the future. 5. PGE Tualatin - not sure when it was installed - delivered September 22 - 120 volt, 20 amp to be upgraded to the SAE standard in the future. 6. Oregon City Park N Ride - 12th and Main - October 8 - 120 volt, 20 amp to be upgraded to the SAE standard in the future. Six other Shorepower Charging Stations will be installed in the near future. There may not be "charging stations" at the Smart Parks, but I've found a couple locations on each level that have standard outlets, that I believe can be used for charging. Phil, would you like to add these to your Charging Station Google map? -- Jeff Kim Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies Direct (503) 686-8844 Office (503) 892-7345 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com New contact information: 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Fax (503) 802-7347 On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Lisa Carberry wrote: > Hi Jeff ~ do you have a current charging station location list? The one > from the OEVA website has two Smart Parks, who are denying to us that they > ever had charging stations. > > > > Thanks for your help in advance! > > > > Lisa > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081008/3ac634ef/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 19:47:11 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA participation survey Message-ID: <79264.8936.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I look forward to our meeting tomorrow. We'll be voting to instate four new officers and Patrick Connor will be giving a great presentation on plug-in hybrids. I've attached a survey below that I'm going to be passing out at the meeting. If you can't make it to the meeting, please reply to me (tim_kutscha at yahoo.com) and fill in the blanks on the form. This organization is only possible because people like you volunteer to show up at EVents and share your EV experience. See you tomorrow at 7pm! Cheers, Tim Kutscha OEVA Chair ------------------------------------------------------------------ (hopefully this won't be scrambled in your e-mail reader...) OEVA Participation Survey (please check all that apply) 1. _ I have an electric vehicle (if not, skip to next section) _ I converted a car to pure electric or plug-in hybrid _ I bought a used conversion or paid someone else to convert it _ I purchased a commercially manufactured EV or plug-in hybrid _ I will bring my EV to OEVA EVents (please fill in e-mail/neighborhood) _ I bring my EV to OEVA monthly meetings _ I will give a presentation on my EV experience (between 10 and 30 minutes) _ I will give a technical presentation on batteries, motors, EV conversion, etc... _ Other:________________________________________ 2. _ I want to help with EV awareness and education (if not skip to next section) _ I will call media contacts to let them know of upcoming events _ I have marketing or event-coordination skills to share with the OEVA _ I will serve on an EV-awareness Day sub-group to plan our major annual EVent _ I would like to facilitate the newcomers sub-group _ I will attend OEVA EVents and answer questions or hand out flyers _ I will give a presentation to other groups as requested about EVs and the OEVA _ I will answer technical questions about EV conversions (batteries, motors, etc...) _ I want to start an EV conversion garage so people can learn about conversions _ I will attend an EV-related conference and share what happened at an OEVA meeting _ Other:__________________________________________ 3. _ I want to become an OEVA officer (More people skills than EV experience required!) _ Chair _ Co-Chair _ Treasurer _ Webmaster _ EV Awareness Day Chair _ sub-group Chair Other:___________________________ 4. _ I don't have time to get that involved; I just want to show up to OEVA meetings (please print the following clearly) Name:__________________________________________________ E-mail:_________________________________________________ Phone #:________________________________________________ City or PDX Neighborhood:__________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081008/74972fa2/attachment-0001.html From phil at hochstetler.com Wed Oct 8 21:29:50 2008 From: phil at hochstetler.com (phil hochstetler) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:29:50 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] charging stations In-Reply-To: <83b7b17c0810081616s45b1a132ne31af7a825c326a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8D08A877EEAB144F8553A3082B5B5BE11504D0@eco-server.ecomotion.local> <83b7b17c0810081616s45b1a132ne31af7a825c326a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <37a5993b0810082129g349fc810yf87695c178d6661e@mail.gmail.com> Updated World Trade Center and added OMSI. The others seem hazy on location. Can we get a more exact location or street address? --phil On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Jeff Kim wrote: > Hi Lisa, > > I've had a few people ask us this, but I was waiting to see if we could get > the final locations for all 12 charging stations that we will be deploying > under the PGE effort. It would be great to have one at Ecomotion. There are > also quite a few other interested parties. Here's what we have so far: > > 1. World Trade Center - SW 1st and Salmon, Downtown Portland - > Installed July 29 (there is also a charging station in the parking garage > below the World Trade Center) - 120 volt, 20 amp (NEMA 5-20R) and 240 volt > (NEMA 14-50R), on 30 amp breaker. > 2. City of Lake Oswego - 4th and A Street, in front of Shell station - > September 18 - 120 volt, 20 amp to be upgraded to the SAE standard in the > future. > 3. OMSI - North Parking Lot - September 19 - 120 volt, 20 amp to be > upgraded to the SAE standard in the future. > 4. PGE Salem - not sure when it was installed - delivered September 22 > - 120 volt, 20 amp to be upgraded to the SAE standard in the future. > 5. PGE Tualatin - not sure when it was installed - delivered September > 22 - 120 volt, 20 amp to be upgraded to the SAE standard in the future. > 6. Oregon City Park N Ride - 12th and Main - October 8 - 120 volt, 20 > amp to be upgraded to the SAE standard in the future. > > Six other Shorepower Charging Stations will be installed in the near > future. There may not be "charging stations" at the Smart Parks, but I've > found a couple locations on each level that have standard outlets, that I > believe can be used for charging. > Phil, would you like to add these to your Charging Station Google map? > > -- > Jeff Kim > Chief Operating Officer > Shorepower Technologies > Direct (503) 686-8844 > Office (503) 892-7345 > jkim at shorepower.com > www.shorepower.com > > New contact information: > 2351 NW York Street > Portland, OR 97210 > Fax (503) 802-7347 > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Lisa Carberry wrote: > >> Hi Jeff ~ do you have a current charging station location list? The one >> from the OEVA website has two Smart Parks, who are denying to us that they >> ever had charging stations. >> >> >> >> Thanks for your help in advance! >> >> >> >> Lisa >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081008/0a497e0a/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 00:20:31 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 00:20:31 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Ford EV Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810090020u384e5bd4vee5248dec8a597fc@mail.gmail.com> While Ford has yet to announce production plans, it is developing an electric vehicle with Mazda, an industry insider tells *Ward's*. http://subscribers.wardsauto.com/ar/ford_electrification_trend_081002/wall.html -- Regards, Pat Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081009/cdf81046/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 11:24:13 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] New Officers from OEVA Meeting last night Message-ID: <456975.88742.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi OEVA folks, It was good to see many of you at the meeting last night. Big thanks to Patrick Connor for the excellent presentation on plug-in hybrids. We voted on some new officers last night to fill in for outgoing people and I'm pleased to announce that the vote was unanimous in favor of the new folks. Our new officers are the following: Treasurer - Ray Blackburn EV Awareness Day Chair - Patrick Connor Webmaster - Phil Hochstetler EV Small Business Chair (new position)- Jim Berry I wish to thank the new people for stepping up to keep this organization running. I also wish to thank our outgoing officers for all the hard work and effort they have put in over the years to make this organization great. They have put in many hours of dedication and deserve a break from running things. Those officers are: Treasurer - Rick Barnes EV Awareness Day Chair - Brad Hippert Webmaster - Ross Olson The next few years are going to prove very interesting as things evolve and more commercially available EVs come to market. I look forward to seeing y'all at the free showing of "Who Killed The Electric Car" at the Bagdad on October 26th at 5pm. Cheers, Tim Kutscha OEVA Chair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081010/d9ad0d47/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 22:53:40 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:53:40 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] San Fran Preping for Plug-ins Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810112253l77c86cdfjc986bb25c2799aa0@mail.gmail.com> http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/san-francisco-to-boost-small-wind-1141.html San Francisco also plans to equip the parking meters with plugs to deliver free power to plug-in hybrids once they're commercially available, Newsom said. The city is working on several ways to become the most fertile market for plug-in hybrids, which some companies, including General Motors, plan to bring to the market in 2010, said Wade Crowfoot, director of climate-protection initiatives for San Francisco. "We're trying to become the first city or region in America to do this," Newsom said, adding that he would love to get to the top of Project Better Place's list. "We're desperately seeking their attention." -- Regards, Pat Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081011/19bcaaa5/attachment.html From paburkey at juno.com Tue Oct 14 08:47:05 2008 From: paburkey at juno.com (Paul A Burkey) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:47:05 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Event at Home Depot Science Park Dr. October 25 and 26 from 9am-4pm Message-ID: <20081014.090321.6028.26.paburkey@juno.com> Hi, My name is Anita Nelson and I am a Lead Generator for the Home Depot on Science Park Dr. We are having an Eco-Options, Saving Energy Event October 25 and 26 from 9am-4pm. I am writing this to see if you would like to participate and bring an electric vehicle in the store for our customers to view and find out information about. Some of our vendors are going to be here all day and some are doing a 2 of 4 hour time block, whichever works easiest for them. Please let me know if you would like to participate or have any further questions. If you can't attend, any brochures you could give to hand out to customers would be helpful. Please call me at 503-526-8426, ext. 126. It is not my direct line, but it is the best way to get a hold of me. Thank you for your time. Anita Nelson Lead Generator Home Depot #4001 name = Anita Nelson office = eventschair ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275yqTHvSYtdf65m0PvqIfBKDc50m6Rm1rC6CQQCT57i5b/ From tony at notebene.net Tue Oct 14 12:59:01 2008 From: tony at notebene.net (Tony McCormick) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:59:01 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Event at Home Depot Science Park Dr. October 25 and 26 from 9am-4pm In-Reply-To: <20081014.090321.6028.26.paburkey@juno.com> References: <20081014.090321.6028.26.paburkey@juno.com> Message-ID: <48F4FA05.3040208@notebene.net> Ask them for a donation to the OEVA in exchange. --Tony Paul A Burkey wrote: > Hi, My name is Anita Nelson and I am a Lead Generator for the Home Depot > on Science Park Dr. We are having an Eco-Options, Saving Energy Event > October 25 and 26 from 9am-4pm. I am writing this to see if you would > like to participate and bring an electric vehicle in the store for our > customers to view and find out information about. Some of our vendors are > going to be here all day and some are doing a 2 of 4 hour time block, > whichever works easiest for them. Please let me know if you would like to > participate or have any further questions. If you can't attend, any > brochures you could give to hand out to customers would be helpful. > Please call me at 503-526-8426, ext. 126. It is not my direct line, but > it is the best way to get a hold of me. > Thank you for your time. > > Anita Nelson > Lead Generator > Home Depot #4001 > name = Anita Nelson > office = eventschair > ____________________________________________________________ > Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275yqTHvSYtdf65m0PvqIfBKDc50m6Rm1rC6CQQCT57i5b/ > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > -- Tony McCormick -------------------------------- http://www.notebene.net & http://www.backporchrevival.com From oeva_treas at verizon.net Tue Oct 14 17:49:24 2008 From: oeva_treas at verizon.net (OEVA Treasurer) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:49:24 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Event at Home Depot Science Park Dr. October 25 and 26 from 9am-4pm In-Reply-To: <48F4FA05.3040208@notebene.net> References: <20081014.090321.6028.26.paburkey@juno.com> <48F4FA05.3040208@notebene.net> Message-ID: <000601c92e5f$df401720$9dc04560$@net> It would be great if Home Depot would just print a whole bunch of the EAA flyers, and donate anything left over to the OEVA. This way we both benefit. Here is the link to the flyers: http://eaaev.org/Flyers/index.html Also, as always, I encourage someone in the group to develop a ONE PAGE handout which has that link, and more.... Those EAA flyers are available from the EAA for $0.08 each. As you can see this is a burden for the OEVA. For example, if a person grabs all 7 flyers, why this is $0.56. A hundred people stroll by and there goes $56. My 2 cents..... Rick Barnes Ex OEVA Treas Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Tony McCormick Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:59 PM To: Paul A Burkey Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Event at Home Depot Science Park Dr. October 25 and 26 from 9am-4pm Ask them for a donation to the OEVA in exchange. --Tony Paul A Burkey wrote: > Hi, My name is Anita Nelson and I am a Lead Generator for the Home Depot > on Science Park Dr. We are having an Eco-Options, Saving Energy Event > October 25 and 26 from 9am-4pm. I am writing this to see if you would > like to participate and bring an electric vehicle in the store for our > customers to view and find out information about. Some of our vendors are > going to be here all day and some are doing a 2 of 4 hour time block, > whichever works easiest for them. Please let me know if you would like to > participate or have any further questions. If you can't attend, any > brochures you could give to hand out to customers would be helpful. > Please call me at 503-526-8426, ext. 126. It is not my direct line, but > it is the best way to get a hold of me. > Thank you for your time. > > Anita Nelson > Lead Generator > Home Depot #4001 > name = Anita Nelson > office = eventschair > ____________________________________________________________ > Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m275yqTHvSYtdf65m0PvqIfBK Dc50m6Rm1rC6CQQCT57i5b/ > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > -- Tony McCormick -------------------------------- http://www.notebene.net & http://www.backporchrevival.com _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From nevokyay at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 09:39:20 2008 From: nevokyay at yahoo.com (Nev Okyay) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] marine batteries for EVs.. Message-ID: <860188.40237.qm@web55101.mail.re4.yahoo.com> In the case of car batteries (lead-acid type), if they are discharged closer to zero percent level, it is not possible to bring them back to life and they would have to be thrown away. If true, this would explain the reluctance of most people not willing to go less then 60-70% discharge level. A reliable source told me that in the case of marine batteries, it is possible to go down to zero percent level and bring the battery back to life up to 20 (twenty times). I think this feature would make them better choice for EV conversions. I haven't talked to anybody in the club using this type of battery. Does anybody have any experience with marine batteries? thanks, -nev From djpaslin at verizon.net Wed Oct 15 14:24:12 2008 From: djpaslin at verizon.net (Paslin, Daniel) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:24:12 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Event at Home Depot Science Park Dr. October 25 and 26 from 9am-4pm (Tony McCormick) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F65F7C.1030101@verizon.net> Hi everyone, I have attended a few of your meetings and have been monitoring the mailing list. The Home Depot mentioned here is right in my neighborhood so it would be easy for me to bring my EV to this event for one of the "shifts." I have a 2007 model ZENN Neighborhood Electric Vehicle. However, I'm not especially knowledgeable about EVs and would feel more comfortable at such an event if I had someone from OEVA with more experience to accompany me. I have not spoken with Ms. Nelson yet as I was hoping to hear from someone in OEVA leadership first to discuss this since while I've attended a few OEVA meetings, I'm not (yet) a member and don't feel right about representing OEVA to the public on my own. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Dan Paslin djpaslin at verizon.net oeva-list-request at oeva.org wrote: > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > oeva-list at oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oeva-list-owner at oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Event at Home Depot Science Park Dr. October 25 and 26 > from 9am-4pm (Tony McCormick) > 2. Re: Event at Home Depot Science Park Dr. October 25 and 26 > from 9am-4pm (OEVA Treasurer) > 3. marine batteries for EVs.. (Nev Okyay) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:59:01 -0700 > From: Tony McCormick > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Event at Home Depot Science Park Dr. October > 25 and 26 from 9am-4pm > To: Paul A Burkey > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: <48F4FA05.3040208 at notebene.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Ask them for a donation to the OEVA in exchange. > --Tony > > Paul A Burkey wrote: > >> Hi, My name is Anita Nelson and I am a Lead Generator for the Home Depot >> on Science Park Dr. We are having an Eco-Options, Saving Energy Event >> October 25 and 26 from 9am-4pm. I am writing this to see if you would >> like to participate and bring an electric vehicle in the store for our >> customers to view and find out information about. Some of our vendors are >> going to be here all day and some are doing a 2 of 4 hour time block, >> whichever works easiest for them. Please let me know if you would like to >> participate or have any further questions. If you can't attend, any >> brochures you could give to hand out to customers would be helpful. >> Please call me at 503-526-8426, ext. 126. It is not my direct line, but >> it is the best way to get a hold of me. >> Thank you for your time. >> >> Anita Nelson >> Lead Generator >> Home Depot #4001 >> name = Anita Nelson >> office = eventschair >> ____________________________________________________________ >> From tony at notebene.net Wed Oct 15 18:22:25 2008 From: tony at notebene.net (Tony McCormick) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] marine batteries for EVs.. In-Reply-To: <860188.40237.qm@web55101.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <860188.40237.qm@web55101.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F69751.40309@notebene.net> Marine or "deep Cycle" batteries are the only recommended type of battery to use for EV's. 'car batteries' aka starter batteries will not work for very long for the reasons you listed. The price difference is large. --Tony Nev Okyay wrote: > In the case of car batteries (lead-acid type), if > they are discharged closer to zero percent level, it > is not possible to bring them back to life and they > would have to be thrown away. If true, this would > explain the reluctance of most people not willing > to go less then 60-70% discharge level. > > A reliable source told me that in the case of marine > batteries, it is possible to go down to zero percent > level and bring the battery back to life up to 20 > (twenty times). I think this feature would make > them better choice for EV conversions. > > I haven't talked to anybody in the club using this > type of battery. Does anybody have any experience > with marine batteries? > > thanks, > -nev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > -- Tony McCormick -------------------------------- http://www.notebene.net & http://www.backporchrevival.com From stevel at fern.com Wed Oct 15 19:05:34 2008 From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] marine batteries for EVs.. In-Reply-To: <48F69751.40309@notebene.net> References: <860188.40237.qm@web55101.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <48F69751.40309@notebene.net> Message-ID: > Nev Okyay wrote: > > In the case of car batteries (lead-acid type), if > > they are discharged closer to zero percent level, it > > is not possible to bring them back to life and they > > would have to be thrown away. If true, this would > > explain the reluctance of most people not willing > > to go less then 60-70% discharge level. > > > > A reliable source told me that in the case of marine > > batteries, it is possible to go down to zero percent > > level and bring the battery back to life up to 20 > > (twenty times). I think this feature would make > > them better choice for EV conversions. > > > > I haven't talked to anybody in the club using this > > type of battery. Does anybody have any experience > > with marine batteries? > > > > thanks, > > -nev A quick look at the depth of discharge vs cycle life of a representative battery will show why you don't want to take your batteries down by more than about %50. From patrick0101 at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 00:05:13 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:05:13 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Portland's Project Get Ready Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810160005v7e4ed1f8o78807ab2042c0519@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone heard about Portland's Project Get Ready? I'd like to find out more about it (who is running it, for starters). I read a lot about plug-in cars and a recent article talking about methods of accelerating market adoption said that they would like to start programs like "Portland's Project Get Ready" in 20 other cities. Here are some of the ideas that they listed for incentives that Project Get Ready is considering: o Discounted off-peak green electricity for the life of the vehicle o Free downtown parking o Free vehicle registration, a sales tax exemption, and environmental waiver to eliminate emissions testing o HOV lane driving, free road tolls o Free home charger installation (including smart meters) o State tax credit o Free public charging at muni lots, as well as free parking o Discounts on solar panel o Three "seed" sponsor companies would create financial incentives for their employees to buy PHEVs and provide free workplace charging It seems like OEVA would be a good partner for this effort. -- Regards, Pat If it is going to take a war to get the US out of this depression, shouldn't we pick the right fight? WAR ON WARMING -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm i China , again, and the comon sizing seems to be 6.5kw ac motor and controller @ 48vdc pack THX.. www.Premium-Opto.com Premium-USA Info = PUSA411 WanWorks-USA = WWU Daniel T Conway WWU 7011 Sleret Ave. Vancouver, WA 98664 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Tim OEVA Chair ----- Original Message ---- From: DANIEL T CONWAY PREMIUM-USA To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:17:46 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] MOTOR SIZING Hey guys, what is the optimal motor sizing.. I'm i China , again, and the comon sizing seems to be 6.5kw ac motor and controller @ 48vdc pack THX.. www.Premium-Opto.com Premium-USA Info = PUSA411 WanWorks-USA = WWU Daniel T Conway WWU 7011 Sleret Ave. Vancouver, WA 98664 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081017/cd25be7d/attachment.html From barnes.rick at verizon.net Sat Oct 18 23:42:36 2008 From: barnes.rick at verizon.net (Rick Barnes) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:42:36 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: ev's Message-ID: <000601c931b5$dfe66630$9fb33290$@rick@verizon.net> OEVA: Any advice for Vern? Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: vern beatty [mailto:beatty0814 at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:55 PM To: Subject: ev's Hi Mr. Barnes, I don't have an electric car. But I am very interested in building one. Could you provide me with any enthusiasts or repetable agentcies I could contact. I live in Portland oregon. Thank You. Vern. From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 08:50:02 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 08:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: ev's Message-ID: <286625.33290.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Vern, Have you visited the OEVA website at www.oeva.org? On the FAQ page, there are answers to your questions. The links page shows local conversion shops and the national Electric Auto Association has a ton of information on how to convert a vehicle. I would also attend one of our monthly meetings. The next one is in downtown Portland the second Thursday in November. See www.oeva.org for the address and directions. Cheers, Tim Kutscha OEVA Chair ----- Original Message ---- From: Rick Barnes To: oeva-list at oeva.org Cc: beatty0814 at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:42:36 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: ev's OEVA: Any advice for Vern? Rick Barnes Aloha, OR -----Original Message----- From: vern beatty [mailto:beatty0814 at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:55 PM To: Subject: ev's Hi Mr. Barnes, I don't have an electric car. But I am very interested in building one. Could you provide me with any enthusiasts or repetable agentcies I could contact. I live in Portland oregon. Thank You. Vern. _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081019/9c27c1d1/attachment.html From nevokyay at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 12:26:26 2008 From: nevokyay at yahoo.com (Nev Okyay) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] source for EV conversion projects.. Message-ID: <195982.7532.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I think most people in the club buy their aluminum plate from Alaskan copper and brass. I was quoted about $120 for a plate 16" by 16" (0.5" thickness). There are about a dozen or so scrapyards around portland and I have probably called every one of them. None of them will sell metals to individuals except for one: Bobs Metals, 503-295-3636, exit 306B off I-5 North. They sell aluminum $2 per pound. If you can find something that will work for you, you definitely would save some money. I also saw tons of wire of all shapes and colors. They didn't charge me for a small piece of wire. Note that selection varies depending when you go there. They bail the wires and ship them out periodically. The guy there told me that they sell 3 phase motors by the pound ( 60 to 70 cents per pound). I saw a huge pile of motors in big bins. I said to him that most probably will not work. He says that they test the motors and they will guarantee a functional motor. If it doesn't work, they will replace it. I bought my 15HP motor from CL for $200. The same motor would have cost me about $60 to $70 from Bobs Metals, but I didn't know they sold motors by the pound at the time. Note that the stuff you might buy there will not look brand new, perhaps with dents and dings. Needless to say that I don't have any business relationship with them except for being a happy customer. - nev __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nevokyay at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 13:22:06 2008 From: nevokyay at yahoo.com (Nev Okyay) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] DC to 3 phase AC inverter/controller In-Reply-To: <000c01c92f1e$8b3069e0$a1913da0$@rick@verizon.net> Message-ID: <829652.12934.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I have spent fair amount of time googling to find a DC to 3 phase inverter/controller. I wanted to share the following info with the group hoping that it will be useful to somebody. These units are called interchangably 'inverters' , 'motor controllers', VFDs 'variable frequency drives', or simply 'drives'. If you search for inverters you will find either very low power ones that work off of the cigarette lighters, or huge ones designed for solar panels starting from $17K and up. But as Rick Barnes have keenly observed and pointed out to me earlier, some inverters will work with DC input if you derate them. :) I started looking into Hitachi drives. Normally these drives work with 2 phase or 3 phase input power, however unadvertised feature of these drives is that they can be wired to work with DC input without derating them operating close to %95 efficiency. I haven't seen anybody using Hitachi drives in the evalbum projects. L200P series drives operate up to 10HP motors, L300P series drives operate 15HP and above. There are many models in each category but all can be divided into low voltage ones (200V input voltage) and high voltage ones (400V input). AC motors have the following features: 1. Very low cost and easy availability. (please see my previous message). 2. You can spin the motor forward or backward. 3. Dynamic breaking. 4. Regenerative power. 5. Not a big deal, but no need to worry about replacing brushes. Of course the biggest disadvantage for 3 phase AC motors is that the drive for them is very expensive. For example, for 15HP motor (11KW) the brand new Hitachi drive was $925 from ebay. 10HP Hitachi drive little over $600. But these drives are like computers, always new models coming out that are smaller, lighter, with more features, and cheaper. The case in point is X200 series of drives that are equal to L200P series, but they have more features and are cheaper. 10HP version is little over $550 from ebay brand new. As a reference, here is a document showing different connection options for DC input. Hitachi Application Note: Powering inverters from a DC supply. http://support.automationdirect.com/docs/hitachi_dcpower.pdf User guide for L300P. L300P series inverter instruction manual. http://www.driveswarehouse.com/documentation/Hitachi/L300PM.pdf Although I don't have the batteries yet, I can confirm that the Hitachi unit L300P low voltage version works fine with DC input. I used a xformer to convert 110V to 220V AC and used a bridge diode rectifier and a capacitor to convert that to DC (~ 320V). Hitachi low voltage units work with any DC input from 200V +/- 10% upto 400V +/- 10V - nev --- Rick Barnes wrote: > Cool! > > I recommend deep cycle batteries (golf cart > batteries). You will not get > very good life from the marine batteries. > > Rick > --- deleted ---- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 14:17:27 2008 From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:17:27 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: A New Experience - Driving Pleasure Without Emissions: the MINI E. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83b7b17c0810201417q38f9f5an6ece124fcfcbfd9d@mail.gmail.com> Maybe I won't have to build one now.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- WOODCLIFF LAKE, N.J., Oct 18, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- The BMW Group will be the world's first manufacturer of premium automobiles to deploy a fleet of some 500 all-electric vehicles for private use in daily traffic. The MINI E will be powered by a 150 kW (204 hp) electric motor fed by a high-performance rechargeable lithium-ion battery, transferring its power to the front wheels via a single-stage helical gearbox nearly without a sound and entirely free of emissions. Specially engineered for automobile use, the battery technology will have a range of more than 240 kilometers, or 150 miles. The MINI E will initially be made available to select private and corporate customers as part of a pilot project in the US states of California, New York and New Jersey. The possibility of offering the MINI E in Europe as well is currently being considered. The MINI E will give its world premiere at the Los Angeles Auto Show on November 19 and 20, 2008. The MINI E's electric drive train produces a peak torque of 220 Newton meters, delivering seamless acceleration to 100 km/h (62 mph) in 8.5 seconds. Top speed is electronically limited to 152 km/h (95 mph). Featuring a suspension system tuned to match its weight distribution, the MINI E sports the brand's hallmark agility and outstanding handling. By introducing the MINI E, the BMW Group is underscoring the resolve with which it works towards reducing energy consumption and emissions in road traffic. The BMW Group is drawing on its unique technological expertise in the field of drive systems to develop a vehicle concept enabling zero emissions without renouncing the joy of driving. Putting some 500 cars on the road under real daily traffic conditions will make it possible to gain widely applicable hands-on experience. Evaluating these findings will generate valuable know-how, which will be factored into the engineering of mass-produced vehicles. The BMW Group aims to start series production of all-electric vehicles over the medium term as part of its Number ONE strategy. The development of innovative concepts for mobility in big-city conurbations within the scope of "project i" has a similar thrust, as its objective also includes making use of an all-electric power train. The energy storage unit: cutting-edge lithium-ion technology engineered specifically for use in the MINI. Based on the current MINI, the car will initially be available as a two-seater. The space taken up by back-seat passengers in the series model has been reserved for the lithium-ion battery. When in use in the zero-emissions MINI, the battery unit combines high output with ample storage capacity and a small footprint with power ratios that are unrivalled in this field of application so far. The lithium-ion storage unit will have a maximum capacity of 35 kilowatt hours (kWh) and transmit energy to the electric motor as direct current at a nominal 380 volts. The rechargeable battery is made up of 5,088 cells grouped into 48 modules. These modules are packaged into three battery elements that are compactly arranged inside the MINI E. The energy storage unit's basic components are based on the technological principle that has proven itself in practice in power supplies for mobile phones and portable computers. The MINI E's lithium-ion battery can be plugged into all standard power outlets. Its charge time is strongly dependent on the voltage and amperage of the electricity flowing through the grid. In the USA, users can recharge a battery that has been completely drained within a very short period of time using a wallbox that will ship with every MINI E. The wallbox will be installed in the customer's garage, enable higher amperage, and thus provide for extremely short charging times. Wallboxes fully recharge batteries after a mere two-and-a-half hours. Driven by electricity: reliably, affordably and free of emissions. A full recharge draws a maximum of 28 kilowatt hours of electricity from the grid. Based on the car's range, a kilowatt hour translates into 5.4 miles. Besides the benefit of zero-emissions driving, the MINI E thus offers significant economic advantages over a vehicle powered by a conventional internal combustion engine as well. The heavy-duty battery delivers its power to an electric motor, which transforms it into thrilling agility. Mounted transversely under the MINI E's bonnet, the drive train unleashes its full thrust from a dead standstill. This provides for the car's fascinating launch capability. The MINI E's intense driving experience is augmented by its dynamic deceleration potential, which is also directly coupled to the accelerator pedal. As soon as the driver releases the gas pedal, the electric motor acts as a generator. This results in braking force, and the power recovered from the kinetic energy is fed back to the battery. This interaction ensures extremely comfortable drives - especially at medium speed with constant, but marginal, variation. In city traffic, some 75 percent of all deceleration can be done without the brakes. Making substantial use of this energy recuperation feature extends the car's range by up to 20 percent. Signature MINI agility in a new guise. Weighing in at 1,465 kilograms (3.230 lbs), the MINI E has an even weight distribution. Minor modifications made to the suspension ensure safe handling at all times. The Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) system has been adapted to this model's specific wheel loads. The MINI E's brake system comes with a newly developed electric underpressure pump. Its Electrical Power Assisted Steering (EPS) is the same as the one used in mass-produced MINIs. Both brake and steering assistance react to driving conditions and are thus extremely efficient. Even the air conditioning's electrical compressor only operates if desired or necessary. Design: unmistakably MINI, undoubtedly new. At first glance, the MINI E is obviously an iteration of the brand. But its design, which is the blueprint for the zero-emissions two-seater, has been complemented by a number of visual cues that point to its revolutionary drive concept. All of the units produced for the pilot project will have the same paintwork and bear a serial number on their front fenders. The MINI E's coachwork sports an exclusive combination of metallic Dark Silver on all panels but the roof, which is clad in Pure Silver. What distinguishes the zero-emissions MINI is a specially designed logo in Interchange Yellow, depicting a stylized power plug in the shape of an "E" set against the silver backdrop. It has been applied to the roof, in smaller dimensions to the front and back, to the charger port lid, the dashboard trim, and - combined with the MINI logo - to the door jamb, in slightly modified form. The color of the roof edges, mirror housings, interior style cues and seat seams will match the logo's yellow tone as well. Moreover, the central gauge and the battery level indicator behind the wheel of the MINI E, which replaces the MINI's rev counter, feature yellow lettering against a dark grey background. The battery level is displayed in percentage figures. The central gauge includes an LED display indicating power consumption in red and power recuperation in green. MINI E customers will be part of a pioneering mission. A 500-unit, limited-production MINI E series will be manufactured through the end of 2008. The project will thus attain an order of magnitude that clearly exceeds the size of currently comparable test series. Putting the MINI E on the road on a daily basis will be a pioneering feat to which both the drivers and engineers of the first zero-emissions MINI will contribute as a team. MINI E customers will join forces with BMW Group experts to assist in the project's scientific evaluation. MINI E engineers accord high importance to staying in touch with the drivers on a regular basis, as this will help them analyze driver behavior besides vehicle characteristics in order to gain the most accurate and realistic picture of the demands placed on a vehicle with a purely electrical drive in the select usage areas. Special charging station and full service for every MINI E. The cars will change hands based on a one-year lease with an extension option. Monthly lease installments will cover any required technical service including all necessary maintenance and the replacement of wearing parts. At the end of the lease, all of the automobiles belonging to the project will be returned to the BMW Group's engineering fleet where they will be subjected to comparative tests. The MINI E's lithium-ion battery can be charged using a wallbox provided to MINI customers. Only lockable garages or similar buildings will qualify as homebases and power stations for the MINI E. Maintenance by qualified specialists. The electric drive's high-voltage technology requires that maintenance work be done by qualified personnel using special tools that are not included in MINI service partners' standard toolboxes. In light of this, a service base will be set up on both coasts, staffed by service engineers that are specially trained to perform maintenance and repair work on the MINI E's electrical components. In the event of drive malfunction, these experts will provide professional support at the customer's local MINI dealer or the service base's specially equipped workshop. Technical inspections will take place after 3,000 miles (just under 5,000 kilometers) and at least after six months. Production in Oxford and Munich. The MINI E has already gone through the major phases of product development for mass-produced vehicles and passed numerous crash tests on the way. Aspects investigated besides passenger protection were the impact of collision forces on the lithium-ion battery and finding a non-hazardous location for it in the car. The MINI E's energy storage unit emerged completely unscathed from all of the crash tests mandated by US standards, which are especially high. Production of the approximately 500 cars will take place at the company's Oxford and Munich sites and is scheduled for completion before the end of 2008. MINI's UK plant will be responsible for manufacturing the entire vehicle with the exception of the drive components and the lithium-ion battery, with the brand's series models rolling off its assembly lines concurrently. The units will then be transferred to a specially equipped manufacturing complex situated on BMW plant premises where the electric motor, battery units, performance electronics and transmission will be integrated. To download photos and technical specifications for the MINI E, please visit the BMW Group PressClub at www.press.bmwgroup.com. MINI in the US MINI is an independent brand of the BMW Group. In the United States, MINI USA operates as a business unit of BMW of North America, LLC which has been present in the United States since 1975. Rolls-Royce Motor Cars NA, LLC began distributing vehicles in 2003. The BMW Group in the United States has grown to include marketing, sales, and financial service organizations for the BMW brand of motor vehicles, including motorcycles, the MINI brand, and the Rolls-Royce brand of Motor Cars; DesignworksUSA, an industrial design firm in California; a technology office in Silicon Valley and various other operations throughout the country. BMW Manufacturing Co., LLC in South Carolina is part of BMW Group's global manufacturing network and is the exclusive manufacturing plant for all Z4 models, X5 Sports Activity Vehicles and X6 Sport Activity Coupes. The BMW Group sales organization is represented in the U.S. through networks of 338 BMW passenger car centers, 335 BMW Sports Activity Vehicle centers, 142 BMW motorcycle retailers, 83 MINI passenger car dealers, and 30 Rolls-Royce Motor Car dealers. BMW (US) Holding Corp., the BMW Group's sales headquarters for North, Central and South America, is located in Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey. Information about BMW Group products is available to consumers via the Internet at: www.bmwgroupna.com www.bmwusa.com. www.bmwmotorcycles.com www.miniusa.com www.rolls-roycemotorcars.com SOURCE The BMW Group http://www.bmwgroupna.com Copyright (C) 2008 PR Newswire. All rights reserved http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/new-experience---driving-pleasure/story.aspx?guid=%7B42612B5A-3EF0-4425-A323-4F479652C413%7D&dist=hppr -- Jeff Kim Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies Direct (503) 686-8844 Office (503) 892-7345 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com New contact information: 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Fax (503) 802-7347 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <83b7b17c0810201417q38f9f5an6ece124fcfcbfd9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <83b7b17c0810201417q38f9f5an6ece124fcfcbfd9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48FCFFE2.80302@notebene.net> .... will initially be made available to select private and corporate customers as part of a pilot project in the US states of California, I suggest you keep with your current plan :-) --Tony Jeff Kim wrote: > Maybe I won't have to build one now.... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > WOODCLIFF LAKE, N.J., Oct 18, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- The BMW > Group From larry at energyventuresllc.com Mon Oct 20 15:42:03 2008 From: larry at energyventuresllc.com (larry) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:42:03 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] vfd's and ac Message-ID: <48FD093B.1020509@energyventuresllc.com> For those interested in using VFD's on straight DC it's really not a big deal to bypass the rectifiers by going directly to either the brake buss or go to the capacitor buss They are both on the DC side of the rectifiers That eliminates the derating problem Hitachi is real open and easy hookup Allen Bradley on small units is bit of a pain Yaskawa is another good one that's easy to work with Just remember that if you are running a 240 or 480 VAC you need 240 or 480 times 1.414 to get proper peak to peak voltages I have several VFD's in the field running large AC irrigation pumps directly off of the PV My largest is on a tree farm in Borrego California It uses a 250 HP Allen Bradley and works fine if you program it correctly It's 480 volts so I had to violate code a bit in going over 600vac open circuit but big deal. As for AC motors I don't know why you would want to build your own with a VFD since Curtis makes a great inverter up to about 500 amps at 130 volts such as the 1238 I buy my motors in lower voltage 180 frame from HiPerformanceGolfCars.com Bill and Bryan custom wind a great motor and at $3200 for motor and inverter and instrumentation it's a bargain compared to using a VFD The algorithims are not the same as a dedicated traction inverter VFD's in an auto application are pretty funky I did use them when building Air Conditioning units on my EV's but as a driver it's pretty bad I now have a 1999 RAV4 PHEV with the AC drive just about ready to roll out the door Just waiting on my LiFe batteries to arrive Still has the gas motor and tranny but also will drive up to 20 miles on pure sunshine electrons From william.norris-york at intel.com Mon Oct 20 13:41:48 2008 From: william.norris-york at intel.com (Norris-York, William) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] source for EV conversion projects.. In-Reply-To: <195982.7532.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <195982.7532.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4911F71203A09E4D9981D27F9D830858032E0E40@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> I bought my aluminum adapter plate from Alaskan copper and brass for $65 (15" x 15" x 0.5") . . . it was a remnant. They quoted me a custom cut same size would have been about $90. Bill -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Nev Okyay Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:26 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] source for EV conversion projects.. I think most people in the club buy their aluminum plate from Alaskan copper and brass. I was quoted about $120 for a plate 16" by 16" (0.5" thickness). There are about a dozen or so scrapyards around portland and I have probably called every one of them. None of them will sell metals to individuals except for one: Bobs Metals, 503-295-3636, exit 306B off I-5 North. They sell aluminum $2 per pound. If you can find something that will work for you, you definitely would save some money. I also saw tons of wire of all shapes and colors. They didn't charge me for a small piece of wire. Note that selection varies depending when you go there. They bail the wires and ship them out periodically. The guy there told me that they sell 3 phase motors by the pound ( 60 to 70 cents per pound). I saw a huge pile of motors in big bins. I said to him that most probably will not work. He says that they test the motors and they will guarantee a functional motor. If it doesn't work, they will replace it. I bought my 15HP motor from CL for $200. The same motor would have cost me about $60 to $70 from Bobs Metals, but I didn't know they sold motors by the pound at the time. Note that the stuff you might buy there will not look brand new, perhaps with dents and dings. Needless to say that I don't have any business relationship with them except for being a happy customer. - nev __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From patrick0101 at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 22:11:00 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:11:00 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Spirit of DC in Portland Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810202211l1cdf1e58n837567069ec0718e@mail.gmail.com> Earlier this monthly Jerry and his plug-in hybrid stopped and visited with some of the OEVA folks. Here is the local news report video: http://celticsolar.blogspot.com/2008/10/spirit-of-dc-in-portland.html Thanks for posting this scottlrainey. -- Regards, Pat If it is going to take a war to get the US out of this depression, shouldn't we pick the right fight? WAR ON WARMING -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081020/16a8f0e9/attachment.html From danieleyk at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 17:31:31 2008 From: danieleyk at yahoo.com (Daniel Eyk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Conversion Source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <646133.63318.qm@web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A previous poster mentioned getting some material from Bob's Metals and that motors are available there. I had to be in Portland today and went by Bob's Metals and they do have several bins with mainly AC motors in them, but you can sort through them if you know what you are looking for. The man I talked to knew about Nev, I hope I have it spelled correctly, and said he bought some plate aluminum. He indicated that he might have a forklift motor and would have to look to see if it is still on the ground. He said he would start to pull out the electric motors from the forklifts as it sounded like enough people might be interested in buying them to be worth it. He had some motors from welder generators as well. Also, there were some industrial DC motors there and looked huge and heavy. Maybe someone could comment on these motors as to the possibilities to use them and maybe what voltage ranges they might have. I think that this might be a good source for someone on a limited budget for motors. Hope this helps. Dan Eyk Daniel Eyk Vancouver, Wa. Electric S-10 project E-15 project E8M --- On Tue, 10/21/08, oeva-list-request at oeva.org wrote: > From: oeva-list-request at oeva.org > Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 19 > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 12:00 PM > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > oeva-list at oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oeva-list-owner at oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fwd: A New Experience - Driving Pleasure Without > Emissions: the MINI E. (Tony McCormick) > 2. vfd's and ac (larry) > 3. Re: source for EV conversion projects.. (Norris-York, > William) > 4. Spirit of DC in Portland (patrick0101 at gmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:02:10 -0700 > From: Tony McCormick > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Fwd: A New Experience - Driving > Pleasure > Without Emissions: the MINI E. > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: <48FCFFE2.80302 at notebene.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > .... will initially be made available to select private and > corporate > customers as part of a pilot project in the US states of > California, > I suggest you keep with your current plan :-) > --Tony > > Jeff Kim wrote: > > Maybe I won't have to build one now.... > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > WOODCLIFF LAKE, N.J., Oct 18, 2008 /PRNewswire via > COMTEX/ -- The BMW > > Group > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:42:03 -0700 > From: larry > Subject: [Oeva-list] vfd's and ac > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: <48FD093B.1020509 at energyventuresllc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > For those interested in using VFD's on straight DC > it's really not a big > deal to bypass the rectifiers by going directly to either > the brake buss > or go to the capacitor buss > They are both on the DC side of the rectifiers > That eliminates the derating problem > Hitachi is real open and easy hookup > Allen Bradley on small units is bit of a pain > Yaskawa is another good one that's easy to work with > Just remember that if you are running a 240 or 480 VAC you > need 240 or > 480 times 1.414 to get proper peak to peak voltages > > I have several VFD's in the field running large AC > irrigation pumps > directly off of the PV > My largest is on a tree farm in Borrego California > It uses a 250 HP Allen Bradley and works fine if you > program it correctly > It's 480 volts so I had to violate code a bit in going > over 600vac open > circuit but big deal. > > As for AC motors I don't know why you would want to > build your own with > a VFD since Curtis makes a great inverter up to about 500 > amps at 130 > volts such as the 1238 > I buy my motors in lower voltage 180 frame from > HiPerformanceGolfCars.com > Bill and Bryan custom wind a great motor and at $3200 for > motor and > inverter and instrumentation it's a bargain compared to > using a VFD > The algorithims are not the same as a dedicated traction > inverter > VFD's in an auto application are pretty funky > I did use them when building Air Conditioning units on my > EV's but as a > driver it's pretty bad > > I now have a 1999 RAV4 PHEV with the AC drive just about > ready to roll > out the door > Just waiting on my LiFe batteries to arrive > Still has the gas motor and tranny but also will drive up > to 20 miles on > pure sunshine electrons > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:41:48 -0700 > From: "Norris-York, William" > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] source for EV conversion > projects.. > To: Nev Okyay , > "oeva-list at oeva.org" > > Message-ID: > <4911F71203A09E4D9981D27F9D830858032E0E40 at orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I bought my aluminum adapter plate from Alaskan copper and > brass for $65 (15" x 15" x 0.5") . . . it was > a remnant. They quoted me a custom cut same size would have > been about $90. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Nev Okyay > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:26 PM > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: [Oeva-list] source for EV conversion projects.. > > > I think most people in the club buy their aluminum > plate from Alaskan copper and brass. I was quoted > about $120 for a plate 16" by 16" (0.5" > thickness). > > There are about a dozen or so scrapyards around > portland and I have probably called every one of > them. None of them will sell metals to individuals > except for one: Bobs Metals, 503-295-3636, exit 306B > off I-5 North. > > They sell aluminum $2 per pound. If you can find > something that will work for you, you definitely would > save some money. > > I also saw tons of wire of all shapes and colors. > They didn't charge me for a small piece of > wire. Note that selection varies depending when > you go there. They bail the wires and ship > them out periodically. > > The guy there told me that they sell 3 phase motors > by the pound ( 60 to 70 cents per pound). I saw > a huge pile of motors in big bins. I said to him > that most probably will not work. He says that > they test the motors and they will guarantee a > functional motor. If it doesn't work, they will > replace it. > > I bought my 15HP motor from CL for $200. The > same motor would have cost me about $60 to $70 > from Bobs Metals, but I didn't know they sold > motors by the pound at the time. > > Note that the stuff you might buy there will not look > brand new, perhaps with dents and dings. > > Needless to say that I don't have any business > relationship with them except for being a happy > customer. > > - nev > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:11:00 -0700 > From: patrick0101 at gmail.com > Subject: [Oeva-list] Spirit of DC in Portland > To: OEVA > Message-ID: > <8c28d7b50810202211l1cdf1e58n837567069ec0718e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Earlier this monthly Jerry and his plug-in hybrid stopped > and visited with > some of the OEVA folks. Here is the local news report > video: > > http://celticsolar.blogspot.com/2008/10/spirit-of-dc-in-portland.html > > Thanks for posting this scottlrainey. > > -- > Regards, > Pat > If it is going to take a war to get the US out of this > depression, shouldn't > we pick the right fight? > WAR ON WARMING > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > /pipermail/attachments/20081020/16a8f0e9/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 19 > ***************************************** From nevokyay at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 20:52:37 2008 From: nevokyay at yahoo.com (Nev Okyay) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] PbA cost NiMH performance In-Reply-To: <8c28d7b50810162356q39f3b003u27865043bd53632@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <749174.2825.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> This is a great idea, but when I looked for super capacitors they are mostly rated at 2 volts. Does anybody know if any super capacitors are available rated at something like 15v so they can be hooked up to the regular 12V batteries? --- patrick0101 at gmail.com wrote: > Adding a small ultra-capacitor to Lead Acid > batteries can significantly > increase their lifespan and performance for little > additional cost. > > http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24504678-29277,00.html > > "During lab tests the UltraBattery lasted four times > as long as the best > lead-acid batteries, while producing 50 per cent > more power." > > -- > Regards, > Pat > If it is going to take a war to get the US out of > this depression, shouldn't > we pick the right fight? > WAR ON WARMING > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From spot at flashdog.com Tue Oct 21 21:00:18 2008 From: spot at flashdog.com (Dan Anolik) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:00:18 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Avcon chargers and new PGE charging stations Message-ID: <78BBE16F-5049-4633-A41A-B78DEFB01B00@flashdog.com> I have a 1999 Ford Ranger with an Avcon charging connector. I'm happy to hear about PGEs new charging stations, but I'm wondering what it will take to connect my Avcon system to one of those. Here's a link to PGEs limited 'fact sheet' on the new chargers: http://www.portlandgeneral.com/about_pge/current_issues/pdf/charging_station_fact_sheet.pdf Sorry if this topic has already been discussed, but couldn't find anything on it in the archives. On a related note- does anyone know where I can buy another Avcon PCS (the wall portion of the charging system)? They seem to be a hard-to- find collectors items these days. thanks! Dan From nevokyay at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 21:03:55 2008 From: nevokyay at yahoo.com (Nev Okyay) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] vfd's and ac In-Reply-To: <48FD093B.1020509@energyventuresllc.com> Message-ID: <602837.67498.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Larry- thanks for the info below. when I was looking for inverters I remember that Curtis made only DC motor controllers. At least that's what I saw from the evalbum web site. I guess you are right that they do make AC motor controllers as well. Again, when I was looking for AC motor controllers I saw two 3 phase AC controllers: Siemens controller which required a Siemens motor, and azure controller from Italy. There was hardly any documentation on the azure. On the Hitachi drives I still haven't figured out how to wire for the regenerative power. There are two terminals to connect a load resistor and that's where the controller is supposed to dump the regenerative power. The second possibility is that the regenerative power appears on the DC bus and if the voltage is greater then the battery voltage, it automatically charges the battery. Does anybody know how this is supposed to work? thanks --- larry wrote: > > For those interested in using VFD's on straight DC > it's really not a big > deal to bypass the rectifiers by going directly to > either the brake buss > or go to the capacitor buss > They are both on the DC side of the rectifiers > That eliminates the derating problem > Hitachi is real open and easy hookup > Allen Bradley on small units is bit of a pain > Yaskawa is another good one that's easy to work with > Just remember that if you are running a 240 or 480 > VAC you need 240 or > 480 times 1.414 to get proper peak to peak voltages > > I have several VFD's in the field running large AC > irrigation pumps > directly off of the PV > My largest is on a tree farm in Borrego California > It uses a 250 HP Allen Bradley and works fine if you > program it correctly > It's 480 volts so I had to violate code a bit in > going over 600vac open > circuit but big deal. > > As for AC motors I don't know why you would want to > build your own with > a VFD since Curtis makes a great inverter up to > about 500 amps at 130 > volts such as the 1238 > I buy my motors in lower voltage 180 frame from > HiPerformanceGolfCars.com > Bill and Bryan custom wind a great motor and at > $3200 for motor and > inverter and instrumentation it's a bargain compared > to using a VFD > The algorithims are not the same as a dedicated > traction inverter > VFD's in an auto application are pretty funky > I did use them when building Air Conditioning units > on my EV's but as a > driver it's pretty bad > > I now have a 1999 RAV4 PHEV with the AC drive just > about ready to roll > out the door > Just waiting on my LiFe batteries to arrive > Still has the gas motor and tranny but also will > drive up to 20 miles on > pure sunshine electrons > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From patrick0101 at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 22:51:34 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:51:34 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon Zero Emission Law? Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810212251r4b382578jc314d61f68ae6332@mail.gmail.com> "Automakers are under the gun from states, too. California's zero-emissions vehicle program mandates nearly 60,000 plug-in cars be sold in the state between 2012 and 2014. Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, Maryland, New Jersey, New Mexico, *Oregon*, Rhode Island and Vermont have adopted similar requirements, and other states will follow." from here Does anyone know about the the Oregon version of this law? How many vehicles by what year... Any pointers? Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Pat If it is going to take a war to get the US out of this depression, shouldn't we pick the right fight? WAR ON WARMING -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081021/845034af/attachment.html From bob at research13.com Wed Oct 22 11:28:38 2008 From: bob at research13.com (bob at research13.com) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:28:38 +0000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon Zero Emission Law? Message-ID: Maybe Rich George at PGE could help with the current status of Oregon's law. I do not know him but saw him quoated on a legal blog regarding charging stations. The anal retentive part of my analyst background makes me want to nit pick the quote you show as "plug in" because it was downgraded in CA from the original "plug in" batteries or hydrogen cell cars. Plug in was reduced to be a "plug in hybrid" which is of course also not a mainstream vision (you can't go and buy that at GM, Ford or Chysler). I also would nit pick "zero emissions" as that 60,000 in CA is among 25 million registered vehicles in CA and not doing much to "zero out emissions." On a positive note 60,000 vehicles would help with some green house gas mitigation. I would also find it more reasonable if we talked about "clean emission" (instead of "zero") vehicles because plug in hybrids do use gas and on average we use a lot of coal (50%) and nuclear (20%) in the US to make electricity. Since we have cleaner electric fuel options than the national average, I hope our "plug in" law is better too. Seems that just having more plug in hybrid transformation shops in Oregon is a job creating vision. Could we drop electric motors into new Chevy Aveos and send them to CA? Could we have a tax rebate program if you converted your gas car motor to electric? (which could work like the solar water heat rebate). Or couldn't we just take the toyota hybrids that are brand new and coming through the port of Portland and put A123 batteries in them with a pig tail and sell them to the other states? I know it is more difficult than this, sure as there is a coal fired electric plant within eyesight of our Senators and Congress Capital Hill in Washington DC and senators vote for Ethanol. Isn't it ironic that Ethanol is literally "corny?" Also interesting to me is that our Congress funded millions into diesel hybrid technology among our domestic car makers and Honda and Toyota saw that huge investment and that is what led Toyota and Honda to build hybrids. Bob -----Original Message----- From: patrick0101 at gmail.com [mailto:patrick0101 at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:51 PM To: 'OEVA' Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon Zero Emission Law? "Automakers are under the gun from states, too. California's zero-emissions vehicle program mandates nearly 60,000 plug-in cars be sold in the state between 2012 and 2014. Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, Maryland, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont have adopted similar requirements, and other states will follow." from here Does anyone know about the the Oregon version of this law? How many vehicles by what year... Any pointers? Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Pat If it is going to take a war to get the US out of this depression, shouldn't we pick the right fight? WAR ON WARMING -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081022/572443da/attachment-0001.html From larry at energyventuresllc.com Wed Oct 22 11:39:58 2008 From: larry at energyventuresllc.com (larry) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:39:58 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] caps and inverters Message-ID: <48FF737E.80703@energyventuresllc.com> In answer to Nev Okaya a couple of things One the Azure inverter is manufactured in Massachusetts. It's the Solectria and essentially the same inverter now sold for PV systems Two most commercial Ultra Caps are nominal 2.5vdc with a max of 2.7vdc BTW for anyone interested I have a 72volt pack of 2700Farad's for sale Used only in some testing Larry From gunterhausfrau at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 14:24:54 2008 From: gunterhausfrau at yahoo.com (dan p) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] scrap metal Message-ID: <594157.84230.qm@web53701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I saw a post about scrapyards not selling to individuals? I've purchased tons (litterally) from Clackamas Steel (including a decomissioned 1 ton bomb, but that is another story) I haven't been there in a while, but they have had lots of used for cheep and quite a bit of new. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=clackamas+steel&fb=1&cid=13142272627946112888&li=lmd&z=14&t=m From patrick0101 at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 15:40:02 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:40:02 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Charging Connector Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810221540p5d59729bu56193fe0be4f4fa3@mail.gmail.com> Want to see a picture of the new connector that was standardized for next gen plug-in cars? http://patrick0101.blogspot.com/2008/10/charging-connector.html -- Regards, Pat If it is going to take a war to get the US out of this depression, shouldn't we pick the right fight? WAR ON WARMING -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081022/23b692e1/attachment.html From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Thu Oct 23 08:10:15 2008 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:10:15 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Calling all Electric Cars Govenor's Speech Oct 27th 9:30 a.m. Message-ID: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7B5E76A0@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> Short notice, but high profile media eventm Monday Oct 27th at OHSU South Waterfront. Major media has been invited. *Timing: the event is slated to start at 10:30, but vehicles need to be there by 9:30. The speaking slate is the Govenor, Peggy Fowler and Mark Edlen. At 11:15, a tour of the ohsu facility. The Govenor will announce his Transportation legislative package Please call or e-mail me ASAP at 971-226-3502 or Rick.durst at pgn.com if you are interested in attending with your Plug In vehicle. You don't need to call if you will attend without your vehicle Not sure how much room we will have or exactly where the vehicles will be. We are looking for nice looking vehicles, so I won't be bringing my, not to show worthy, Ford Escort But I will bring PGE's Solectria. From gary.graunke at intel.com Thu Oct 23 08:51:28 2008 From: gary.graunke at intel.com (Graunke, Gary) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:51:28 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Calling all Electric Cars Govenor's Speech Oct 27th 9:30 a.m. In-Reply-To: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7B5E76A0@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> References: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7B5E76A0@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> Message-ID: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E972903819CE4@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> I'll be happy to bring either the Insight (or the Hybrids Plus Prius). Do you have the address or cross streets? Gary -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Rick Durst Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:10 AM To: 'oeva-list at oeva.org'; 'kuhlman at salemelectric.com'; 'jkim at shorepower.com'; 'david at hotlipspizza.com'; 'buzzduell at mcco.biz' Subject: [Oeva-list] Calling all Electric Cars Govenor's Speech Oct 27th 9:30 a.m. Short notice, but high profile media eventm Monday Oct 27th at OHSU South Waterfront. Major media has been invited. *Timing: the event is slated to start at 10:30, but vehicles need to be there by 9:30. The speaking slate is the Govenor, Peggy Fowler and Mark Edlen. At 11:15, a tour of the ohsu facility. The Govenor will announce his Transportation legislative package Please call or e-mail me ASAP at 971-226-3502 or Rick.durst at pgn.com if you are interested in attending with your Plug In vehicle. You don't need to call if you will attend without your vehicle Not sure how much room we will have or exactly where the vehicles will be. We are looking for nice looking vehicles, so I won't be bringing my, not to show worthy, Ford Escort But I will bring PGE's Solectria. _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 09:26:21 2008 From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:26:21 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Calling all Electric Cars Govenor's Speech Oct 27th 9:30 a.m. In-Reply-To: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7B5E76A0@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> References: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7B5E76A0@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> Message-ID: <83b7b17c0810230926m72e37023p2be9f46f33ed6c@mail.gmail.com> Rick, I can bring at least one of the following: PHEV Prius, ZAP PK truck, VW Jetta conversion. Let me know which one(s) you want there. Jeff On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Rick Durst wrote: > > Short notice, but high profile media eventm > Monday Oct 27th at OHSU South Waterfront. > Major media has been invited. > > *Timing: the event is slated to start at 10:30, but vehicles need to be > there by 9:30. > The speaking slate is the Govenor, Peggy Fowler and Mark Edlen. > At 11:15, a tour of the ohsu facility. > The Govenor will announce his Transportation legislative package > > Please call or e-mail me ASAP at 971-226-3502 or Rick.durst at pgn.com if you > are interested in attending with your Plug In vehicle. You don't need to > call if you will attend without your vehicle > > Not sure how much room we will have or exactly where the vehicles will be. > We are looking for nice looking vehicles, so I won't be bringing my, not to > show worthy, Ford Escort But I will bring PGE's Solectria. > > -- Jeff Kim Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies Direct (503) 686-8844 Office (503) 892-7345 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com New contact information: 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Fax (503) 802-7347 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Major media has been invited. *Timing: the event is slated to start at 10:30, but vehicles need to be there by 9:30. The speaking slate is the Govenor, Peggy Fowler and Mark Edlen. At 11:15, a tour of the ohsu facility. The Govenor will announce his Transportation legislative package Please call or e-mail me ASAP at 971-226-3502 or Rick.durst at pgn.com if you are interested in attending with your Plug In vehicle. You don't need to call if you will attend without your vehicle Not sure how much room we will have or exactly where the vehicles will be. We are looking for nice looking vehicles, so I won't be bringing my, not to show worthy, Ford Escort But I will bring PGE's Solectria. From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Thu Oct 23 15:32:25 2008 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:32:25 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: The Public Is Invited - Oregon City Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Station Unveiling - 11:00 AM on October 28, 2008 Message-ID: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7B59994A@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> Let's bring some cars to support Marko in the Fiamp...!!!!! ________________________________________________ Rick Durst | Portland General Electric 121 SW Salmon St, 3WTC0407 | Portland, Oregon 97204 | *: 503.464-7631 | 7: 503.464-2284 | *: Rick.Durst at pgn.com ________________________________ From: Kathy Griffin [mailto:kgriffin at ci.oregon-city.or.us] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:08 PM To: Rick Durst; Dale Garcia; Annette Mattson; Elizabeth Paul; Elaina Medina; Kregg Arntson; Dennis.L.Clements at state.or.us; Eugenem at co.clackamas.or.us; johnp at hugheselectrical.com; smillhauser at ci.oswego.or.us; Laura Butler; Nancy Kraushaar; Nancy Busch; Alice Norris; Kathy Griffin; Gary.wiggins at fourniergroup.net; tedwards at nietc.org; bilquistmrsj at yahoo.com; tim_kutscha at yahoo.com; evmarko at hotmail.com; Managers; PublicWorks; Planning; colin; Alice Norris; Damon Mabee; Trent Tidwell; Daphne Wuest; Doug Neeley; karenb at co.clackamas.or.us Subject: The Public Is Invited - Oregon City Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Station Unveiling - 11:00 AM on October 28, 2008 [ChargingStationAgenda%20OC%20Final.jpg] Kathy Griffin Administrative Assistant Public Works Department City of Oregon City P. 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Name: ChargingStationAgenda OC Final.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65569 bytes Desc: ChargingStationAgenda OC Final.jpg Url : /pipermail/attachments/20081023/10e6f53d/attachment-0001.jpg From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Oct 24 00:30:52 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:30:52 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: The Public Is Invited - Oregon City Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Station Unveiling - 11:00 AM on October 28, 2008 In-Reply-To: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7B59994A@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> References: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7B59994A@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810240030x62b6ed32ye6534bef96979f66@mail.gmail.com> Way to go Marko!! If you do speak at the event, remember to hit the big 3 points, Electrically powered transportation is Cleaner, Cheaper and Domestic. So it pollutes less, costs less and improves national security. Plus it is fun! Good luck. On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Rick Durst wrote: > Let's bring some cars to support Marko in the Fiamp...!!!!! > > > *________________________________________________* > *Rick Durst** *| Portland General Electric > 121 SW Salmon St, 3WTC0407 | Portland, Oregon 97204 | (: 503.464-7631 | 7 > : 503.464-2284 | *: Rick.Durst at pgn.com > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Kathy Griffin [mailto:kgriffin at ci.oregon-city.or.us] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:08 PM > *To:* Rick Durst; Dale Garcia; Annette Mattson; Elizabeth Paul; Elaina > Medina; Kregg Arntson; Dennis.L.Clements at state.or.us; > Eugenem at co.clackamas.or.us; johnp at hugheselectrical.com; > smillhauser at ci.oswego.or.us; Laura Butler; Nancy Kraushaar; Nancy Busch; > Alice Norris; Kathy Griffin; Gary.wiggins at fourniergroup.net; > tedwards at nietc.org; bilquistmrsj at yahoo.com; tim_kutscha at yahoo.com; > evmarko at hotmail.com; Managers; PublicWorks; Planning; colin; Alice Norris; > Damon Mabee; Trent Tidwell; Daphne Wuest; Doug Neeley; > karenb at co.clackamas.or.us > *Subject:* The Public Is Invited - Oregon City Electric Vehicle (EV) > Charging Station Unveiling - 11:00 AM on October 28, 2008 > > > > Kathy Griffin > Administrative Assistant > Public Works Department > City of Oregon City > P. O. Box 3040 > Oregon City, Oregon 97045 > 503.496.1555 > 503.657.7892 fax > *kgriffin at ci.oregon-city.or.us*** > > *"A great city is that which has the greatest men and women." * Walt > Whitman > > Public Records Law Disclosure > This e-mail is a public record of the City of Oregon City and is subject to > public disclosure unless exempt from disclosure under Oregon Public Records > Law. This email is subject to the State Retention Schedule. > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -- Regards, Pat If it is going to take a war to get the US out of this depression, shouldn't we pick the right fight? WAR ON WARMING -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081024/e46fbe14/attachment.html From kuhlman at salemelectric.com Fri Oct 24 12:07:01 2008 From: kuhlman at salemelectric.com (Roger Kuhlman) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:07:01 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Calling all Electric Cars Governor's Speech Oct 27th 9:30 a.m. In-Reply-To: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7B5E76A0@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> References: <9ECCD1FF821C4247B03C280FE8EBAEE36E7B5E76A0@APEXMAIL.corp.dom> Message-ID: Rick, I will not be bringing the Salem Electric PHEV to this meeting on Monday. I just got a voice mail from Hybrids-Plus that they have been told by the battery manufacture to ground all their vehicles until the battery packs have been replaced. Roger Kuhlman -----Original Message----- From: Rick Durst [mailto:Rick.Durst at pgn.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:10 AM To: 'oeva-list at oeva.org'; Roger Kuhlman; 'jkim at shorepower.com'; 'david at hotlipspizza.com'; 'buzzduell at mcco.biz' Subject: Calling all Electric Cars Govenor's Speech Oct 27th 9:30 a.m. Short notice, but high profile media eventm Monday Oct 27th at OHSU South Waterfront. Major media has been invited. *Timing: the event is slated to start at 10:30, but vehicles need to be there by 9:30. The speaking slate is the Govenor, Peggy Fowler and Mark Edlen. At 11:15, a tour of the ohsu facility. The Govenor will announce his Transportation legislative package Please call or e-mail me ASAP at 971-226-3502 or Rick.durst at pgn.com if you are interested in attending with your Plug In vehicle. You don't need to call if you will attend without your vehicle Not sure how much room we will have or exactly where the vehicles will be. We are looking for nice looking vehicles, so I won't be bringing my, not to show worthy, Ford Escort But I will bring PGE's Solectria. From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 14:16:21 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Attend the table at "Who Killed The Electric Car" event on Sunday? Message-ID: <744561.41020.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Just a friendly reminder that there's a free showing of "Who Killed the Electric Car" at the Bagdad Theater on Sunday. Doors open at 4:15, movie starts at 5:00. Rick Durst from PGE, Tim Kutscha from OEVA, Jeff Kim from Shorepower and Buzz Duell from MCEV will answer questions on a panel after the movie. The OEVA will have a small table there with cards and flyers. Would someone please be willing to attend the table after the movie gets out for less than an hour? I'll be answering questions and showing the electric 914, so I'm unable to be at the table. http://www.solaroregon.org/events/who-killed-the-electric-car-free-showing-10-26-08-portland Cheers, Tim Kutscha OEVA Chair -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081024/a40a5248/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Sat Oct 25 01:30:38 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:30:38 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Frontline HEAT Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810250130n42e91053t81cd3aad011a36b4@mail.gmail.com> PBS' Frontline just aired a 2 hour documentary called *HEAT*. Chapter 7 is about transportation, it discusses the EV1, Volt, why Japan made hybrids, and ethanol. Here is the link to watch chapter 7 online: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/heat/view/7.html I would recommend watching the entire thing if you can. -- Regards, Pat If it is going to take a war to get the US out of this depression, shouldn't we pick the right fight? WAR ON WARMING -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081025/34197964/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Sat Oct 25 22:00:41 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:00:41 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4 EV coming to PSU Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810252200m7b71eec4m92b2f56c8fb61001@mail.gmail.com> *http://tinyurl.com/62e6gy *Toyota refurbished four 2002-2003 RAV4 EVs and is donating them to Portland State University. The RAV4 EVs will shuttle VIPs to and from mass transit. -- Regards, Pat If it is going to take a war to get the US out of this depression, shouldn't we pick the right fight? WAR ON WARMING -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081025/43bbd283/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 23:55:00 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:55:00 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] First Pictures of the Tesla Model S Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810262355k222ec69fmc19361536cde2070@mail.gmail.com> This is not the half Roadster, half Prius joke picture that was going around a while ago. The December issue of Road & Track has the rendering of what the Model S may look like. http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=10&article_id=7201 -- Regards, Pat If it is going to take a war to get the US out of this depression, shouldn't we pick the right fight? WAR ON WARMING -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081027/ccc02d9d/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 20:42:06 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] New NEV company in Massachusetts: Sunmotor Message-ID: <628794.63078.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I just got notice about a new company called SunMotor in Massachusetts that is making NEVs. The website and some specs are listed below. Please contact Russell for further info. Cheers, Tim OEVA Chair ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "BullRPD at aol.com" To: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:29:47 PM Subject: Re: Contact Request from OEVA website Hi Tim, It is a Neighborhood Electrical Vehicle. The speed is set at 25 Miles per hour. So it will not be allowed on the freeway for now. The car will be available in November, with a delivery date of 2-3 months after purchase. Please check out our website for pictures and specifications. The purchase price is still being worked out. If you have any questions after viewing our website, please call me or send me an email. www.sunmotor.us Thanks Russell Durham bullrpd at aol.com cell # 617-966-1017 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081027/a898547c/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 20:39:52 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Fuel Film Message-ID: <959490.96684.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello OEVA Members, I don't know if the 139KB will go through, but I'll try. There will be a free sneak preview of the movie "Fuel" at Fox Tower Stadium 10 in Portland on October 29th at 7pm. Based on the trailer (see links below), it looks like it's emphasis is on biodiesel. Admission is by guest list only. If you'd like to attend, please send an e-mail to the address below, say that your from the Oregon Electric Vehicle Association and hopefully they'll add you to the list. Cheers, Tim Kutscha Chair, OEVA ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Christopher Luttkus Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:43:41 PM Subject: Fwd: Fuel Film Hi, My name is Peter and I'm with the documentary Fuel, which won Sundance in January. We've heard a lot of great things about your organization and your commitment to the environment. We are doing a FREE Word of Mouth screening of the documentary in Portland on October 29, 2008. Given your dedication to environmental issues, we would love to have you and members to join us at this screening. Josh Tickell, the director of Fuel, and a leading expert on alternative fuels, will be on hand to introduce the film. Please send an email to fuelstreetteam at gmail.com with the full names of those who would like to attend so I can be sure to have everyone on our guestlist. I would also like to talk with you about partnering with us in getting the word out to the Portland community about the importance of alternative fuels, and the actions individuals can take to make our world a healthier place, in advance of Fuel's release on November 14, 2008. Please give me a call at 1.714.622.0858 or shoot me an email at fuelstreetteam at gmail.com so we can discuss how we might work together. For more information on our documentary and cause, go to www.thefuelfilm.com Thanks so much for your interest, Change your fuel?.change the world Attached image is all the information you need about the screening. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyway, I thought I'd get some guidance from the group on message size; the list default is 40k, this particular message was 200k. I'm inclined to put 100k as the list setting given modern realities. Anything bigger should still be sent as a link to the web site instead in most cases, IMHO, but would like to see what people think... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm of the "just say no" to html in email school. :-) Steve From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 12:16:11 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] New Electric Car Manufacturer in the Southwest Message-ID: <639873.815.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I just received this from the "contact us" form on the webpage. Just FYI. Cheers, Tim OEVA Chair --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Press Release For Immediate Release: October 28, 2008 Long Range All Electric SUV LA Electric Motors, Rio Rancho, NM, distributor of all electric automobiles announces today their total electric SUV. It is one out of the line of electric cars they have available from their online showroom. Providing vehicles that are more stylish than the average electric cars on the market and for the ecologically-minded customers that want to save money from the ever flocculating gas prices. The 5 seat model ?Testament? expands your driving distance with it?s Lithium-ion batteries, known for getting 2 to 4 times more power than the lead acid batteries. The Testament is highway ready with speeds past 70mph and driving range over 350 miles per charge. All electric vehicles generally cost about one-tenth as much to drive and maintain as typical gas-powered vehicles. Looking to cut emissions LA Electric Motors has a lineup of low-speed all electric vehicles: The 2dr Spike, 2dr Tegra and the 4dr Electric. LA Electric Motors is giving us a whole new way at looking not only on the way we drive,but what we drive. Carrying a line of safe, affordable and more pleasant to look at, all electric vehicles. 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Today's Topics: 1. Administrivia: Message size query (Alan Batie) 2. Re: Administrivia: Message size query (Steve's Account) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:02:54 -0700 From: Alan Batie Subject: [Oeva-list] Administrivia: Message size query To: OEVA Message-ID: <4906C72E.6020603 at batie.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I little bit of administrivia: I've been letting a few larger messages through that seemed relevant, but the biofuel film message was borderline. I went ahead and allowed it because most of the relevant information was actually in the image, though it's uncertain if any of us would actually be able to attend. These sorts of things are usually more flexible than they let on though. Anyway, I thought I'd get some guidance from the group on message size; the list default is 40k, this particular message was 200k. I'm inclined to put 100k as the list setting given modern realities. Anything bigger should still be sent as a link to the web site instead in most cases, IMHO, but would like to see what people think... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3263 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20081028/fe6774bd/attachment-0001.bin ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve's Account" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Administrivia: Message size query To: Alan Batie Cc: OEVA Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Alan Batie wrote: > Anyway, I thought I'd get some guidance from the group on message > size; the list default is 40k, this particular message was 200k. I'm > inclined to put 100k as the list setting given modern realities. > Anything bigger should still be sent as a link to the web site instead > in most cases, IMHO, but would like to see what people think... I'd prefer a smaller size and filtering html to just plain text.. You can always post a url if you want to refer to some html document. I'm of the "just say no" to html in email school. :-) Steve ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 60, Issue 29 ***************************************** From oeva_treas at verizon.net Tue Oct 28 18:34:22 2008 From: oeva_treas at verizon.net (OEVA Treasurer) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:34:22 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Administrivia: Message size query In-Reply-To: <4906C72E.6020603@batie.org> References: <4906C72E.6020603@batie.org> Message-ID: <000f01c93966$7aa37570$6fea6050$@net> Alan: Jeez-o-Pete. Please remove all restrictions on file size, attachments, etc. This is a big pain in the you-know-what. Or at least make some sort of text only option for the people with dial up. (I think most everyone no longer uses a phone modem to connect to the Internet, do they?) Hey you with the phone modem: at the library they have Internet for free. Thanks, Rick Barnes Ex Treasurer Aloha, or -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Alan Batie Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:03 AM To: OEVA Subject: [Oeva-list] Administrivia: Message size query I little bit of administrivia: I've been letting a few larger messages through that seemed relevant, but the biofuel film message was borderline. I went ahead and allowed it because most of the relevant information was actually in the image, though it's uncertain if any of us would actually be able to attend. These sorts of things are usually more flexible than they let on though. Anyway, I thought I'd get some guidance from the group on message size; the list default is 40k, this particular message was 200k. I'm inclined to put 100k as the list setting given modern realities. Anything bigger should still be sent as a link to the web site instead in most cases, IMHO, but would like to see what people think... From spot at flashdog.com Tue Oct 28 21:35:09 2008 From: spot at flashdog.com (Dan Anolik) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:35:09 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Administrivia: Message size query In-Reply-To: <4906C72E.6020603@batie.org> References: <4906C72E.6020603@batie.org> Message-ID: I agree with those guidelines. Even though I have a broadband connection, I prefer keeping mailing list content simple, and using URLs to large attachments. and that's my humble opinion, Dan On Oct 28, 2008, at 1:02 AM, Alan Batie wrote: > I little bit of administrivia: I've been letting a few larger > messages through that seemed relevant, but the biofuel film message > was borderline. I went ahead and allowed it because most of the > relevant information was actually in the image, though it's > uncertain if any of us would actually be able to attend. These > sorts of things are usually more flexible than they let on though. > > Anyway, I thought I'd get some guidance from the group on message > size; the list default is 40k, this particular message was 200k. > I'm inclined to put 100k as the list setting given modern > realities. Anything bigger should still be sent as a link to the > web site instead in most cases, IMHO, but would like to see what > people think... > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From tony at notebene.net Tue Oct 28 22:00:52 2008 From: tony at notebene.net (Tony McCormick) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:00:52 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Administrivia: Message size query In-Reply-To: <4906C72E.6020603@batie.org> References: <4906C72E.6020603@batie.org> Message-ID: <4907EE04.50900@notebene.net> I prefer a small size, simple email for lists. Links to material on the web are more than sufficient. --Tony Alan Batie wrote: > I little bit of administrivia: I've been letting a few larger messages > through that seemed relevant, but the biofuel film message was > borderline. I went ahead and allowed it because most of the relevant > information was actually in the image, though it's uncertain if any of > us would actually be able to attend. These sorts of things are > usually more flexible than they let on though. > > Anyway, I thought I'd get some guidance from the group on message > size; the list default is 40k, this particular message was 200k. I'm > inclined to put 100k as the list setting given modern realities. > Anything bigger should still be sent as a link to the web site instead > in most cases, IMHO, but would like to see what people think... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -- Tony McCormick -------------------------------- http://www.notebene.net & http://www.backporchrevival.com From patrick0101 at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 22:11:07 2008 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Administrivia: Message size query In-Reply-To: <4906C72E.6020603@batie.org> References: <4906C72E.6020603@batie.org> Message-ID: <8c28d7b50810282211u67ef2585tdd4541ed0b1b7ff4@mail.gmail.com> gmail accounts are free and current have 7.2GB of storage (and growing). I'd like to see the size bumped up to 1MB for messages. The days of 2400 BUAD modem are long past. Let people convey their message in whatever form they see best. I'd prefer to just see the message, rather than a link. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 1:02 AM, Alan Batie wrote: > I little bit of administrivia: I've been letting a few larger messages > through that seemed relevant, but the biofuel film message was borderline. > I went ahead and allowed it because most of the relevant information was > actually in the image, though it's uncertain if any of us would actually be > able to attend. These sorts of things are usually more flexible than they > let on though. > > Anyway, I thought I'd get some guidance from the group on message size; the > list default is 40k, this particular message was 200k. I'm inclined to put > 100k as the list setting given modern realities. Anything bigger should > still be sent as a link to the web site instead in most cases, IMHO, but > would like to see what people think... > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -- Regards, Pat If it is going to take a war to get the US out of this depression, shouldn't we pick the right fight? WAR ON WARMING -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081028/c6be7315/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 08:21:21 2008 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: Oregon City Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Station Unveiling - October 28, 2008 Message-ID: <262278.4109.qm@web110512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, There was another unveiling of an EV charging station in Oregon city yesterday. Go Marko! Cheers, Tim ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Kathy Griffin Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:15:15 PM Subject: Oregon City Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Station Unveiling - October 28, 2008 The City has a page up on its web site with some information and a PowerPoint presentation of this morning's unveiling. You can access it at http://www.ci.oregon-city.or.us/public-works/ElectricVehicleEVChargingStation.html. Thanks to everyone who showed up! Kathy Griffin Administrative Assistant Public Works Department City of Oregon City P. O. Box 3040 Oregon City, Oregon 97045 503.496.1555 503.657.7892 fax kgriffin at ci.oregon-city.or.us "A great city is that which has the greatest men and women." Walt Whitman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081029/922b385d/attachment-0001.html From richardturnock at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 10:07:15 2008 From: richardturnock at comcast.net (Richard Turnock) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:07:15 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Better Place business model Message-ID: <663405D6410244848D2CA4DD2251B236@RichardPC> Electric car ownership, charging stations, and tax benefits for electric car purchases are some of the elements of the movement by individuals, business and the governor's most recent announcement. I've been hoping for a breakthrough in support of electric cars for decades. I was the guy in the Portland General Electric PR department lucky enough to be responsible for driving the yellow Sparrow to events. I coordinated the PGE electric go-kart program for high school students for five years. There was always something missing: we need to wait for better batteries, we need to wait for someone to install charging stations, we need to.well you get the idea. Then Better Place comes along and Shai Agassi has the idea of putting a computer into each electric car and when charging the car also connects to a server on a network that records the electricity used and meters it like cell phone minutes. My hand hits my forehead! That's it! Use existing batter technology, any plug-in electric vehicle and install charging stations and battery exchange centers. In one wave of the keyboard, he made all the issues, barriers and problems go away. Well, not all. The one key element that Israel, Denmark and Australia seem to have in common is a boundary with limit distance for travel. Australia is a large continent however the population is primarily within 100 miles of the coast and near the big cities. Hawaii would be a good prospect. What about Oregon? We have a boundary that almost no other state has-the Urban Growth Boundary. Why not define the UGB for Portland as the electric car boundary and invite Better Place to partner with us? Each UGB within Oregon could do the same. Please tell me someone else already thought of this and we are already moving in this direction. Richard Turnock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081029/030768c1/attachment.html From khallgeisler at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 10:08:02 2008 From: khallgeisler at gmail.com (Kristen Hall-Geisler) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:08:02 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon City charging station post Message-ID: <4A3AEB4E26F94C659D618CFA049DCDAE@SivaLaptop> Hi all -- Hot off the keyboard -- a new post about the Oregon City unveiling of the EV charging station yesterday, with pictures. As always, I had way more info and images than I could fit into a blog post, but I think it gets the idea across. www.GoodGreenCars.com - khg Kristen Hall-Geisler freelance writer | Portland, Oregon 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Storage on the end users site isn't without limit. And, while it's not a big deal on this list, because, presumedly folks driving electric vehicles can ACTUALLY see to drive, some lists are used by folks with screen reading software to convert text to voice which has trouble with mime/html.. (Although there ARE vision problems that preclude reading that don't preclude driving!) (And.. why else do you think they put braille on the drive up ATM? :-) ) And .. last but not least, for most emails, MIME/html adds NOTHING to the content of the email. Just say no to HTML mail! Steve From pettigrw at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 12:57:15 2008 From: pettigrw at yahoo.com (Matt Pettigrew) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging @ hillsdale branch library Message-ID: <138026.10879.qm@web90401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ...hello... I'm trying to recruit people who live in the Hillsdale community to bring their electric vehicles in to the Hillsdale branch library where they can charge their vehicles in the parking garage and also take advantage of the resources that the library has to offer.? As of now, we have one standard outlet which is underneath a fire extinguisher in the first parking space on the left as you enter the parking garage.? Usually there is an orange cone where the parking space is located.? Also, facilities is in the process of installing another standard outlet where the current EV charging station(outdated AVCON charger which few EV's use) is located.? My hope is to get at least one electric vehicle per week into the library with the goal of exposing these cars to people in the parking garage.? Thanks, Matt Pettigrew ? ?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081030/1f5cc195/attachment.html From danieleyk at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 13:19:10 2008 From: danieleyk at yahoo.com (Daniel Eyk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Plug In Station In Salem Message-ID: <121031.20386.qm@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just received this info from my sister who lives in Salem and works for the State of Oregon and thought it would be helpful to the OEVA group. Daniel Eyk PGE opens rechargingstation for cars in Salem Salem ? Portland General Electric has built a recharging station for plug-in electric vehicles at its northeast Salem facility. The plug-in station, equipped with two plugs, is located at 4245 Kale St. NE. The Salem station is one of five that the Oregon electric utility has opened. The others are located at: -Oregon Museum of Science and Industry, 1945 SE Water Ave., Portland. -City of Lake Oswego, A Avenue, just west of Second Street. -PGE office at 121 SW Salmon St., Portland. -PGE office at Two World Trade Center garage, Portland. During the rollout of the plug-in stations, PGE is not charging drivers to recharge their all-electric vehicles. ? Don Currie Page 1 of 1 www.statesmanjournal.com | Printer-friendly article page 10/30/2008 http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081029/COMMUNITIE... Daniel Eyk Vancouver, Wa. Electric S-10 project E-15 project E8M From nevokyay at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 11:36:24 2008 From: nevokyay at yahoo.com (Nev Okyay) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Reliable machine shop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <175487.72086.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> For those of us who live on the west side, I recommend Joe Strasburg, 503-693-8578. He did a good job on my adaptor plate and he has very reasonable rates. At least you may want to get a quote for your project. His address: 1495 NW Hobbs, Cornelius 97113 Nev --- bob at research13.com wrote: > There's also a gentleman named Carl Jantz at Jantz > Engineering in Poulsbo Wa. who has done adapter > plates for many things and he mentioned he has also > worked with the guy who did the J. James electric > car on the Discovery channel. He can fabricate or > machine almost anything. He's done work for Boeing > and has a custom auto focus. His flyer says "For do > it yourselfers, we will keep your costs down by > doing only what you can't do yourself, and give you > free guidance on what you can do yourself." He > mentioned some availability/quick turnaround. His > phone is (360) 598-2773. > > Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Newman > [mailto:brian at briannewmanmusic.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:26 AM > To: 'Norris-York, William' > Cc: Oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Reliable machine shop > > Bill, > I highly recommend Manutek Inc. (I was a machinist > there years ago) The owner, Paul Miller, is very > knowledgeable with custom auto. They have an array > of CNC machines and welding capabilities. > -Brian > > Contact info: > http://www.manutekmfg.com/index.html > 503/630-5999 > 1150 NW Commerce Ct. Estacada 97023 > On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Norris-York, William > wrote: > > Where is the best machine shop to use to cut the > aluminum I have for the transmission adapter plate? > > Thanks, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > 023 On Sep ? > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From innercom at peak.org Fri Oct 31 20:37:13 2008 From: innercom at peak.org (David Hazen) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:37:13 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Insurance for motorcycle EV's Message-ID: <0B1EB70F-3917-4F67-B62B-82A38BF891D9@peak.org> Progressive Insurance has a little-known category for 3-wheel motorcycle EV's that was discovered by a patient and persistent insurance agent just south of Eugene in Creswell. He was first set on his mission to find this category by Mark Murphy, designer of the Bug-E and Gizmo. I just finished my scratch-built "assembled" vehicle and I am now insured at the outrageous cost of $96 per year for 100/300 liability, comp and collision. If you are in the market for insurance, this guy is fun to work with! If he can't insure you directly, he will work with your local Progressive agent. John Clow Creswell Insurance 541-895-9125 jclow at centurytel.net David David Hazen innercom at peak.org Construction of the XP-Humm-E Lane Electric Vehicle Association "There is no energy crisis, there is a crisis in ignorance." --- R. Buckminster Fuller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20081031/b654d6e1/attachment.html