From 101.travel at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 14:18:11 2009 From: 101.travel at gmail.com (.) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:18:11 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] purchase rebates or tax cuts Message-ID: <56631d070902021418x34f6b5bbyf1cf6906bf20f9e6@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know if there are any tax credits, cuts or rebates for purchasing or converting a electric vehicle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090202/38834f01/attachment.html From Linda.S.CORNELL at odot.state.or.us Mon Feb 2 15:49:03 2009 From: Linda.S.CORNELL at odot.state.or.us (CORNELL Linda S * Lyn) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:49:03 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] purchase rebates or tax cuts In-Reply-To: <56631d070902021418x34f6b5bbyf1cf6906bf20f9e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The person requesting the info doesn't say if they are an individual or a business, so I'm responding to both. According to the OR DOE, there are some electric vehicles tax incentives. Go onto their websites: For individuals: http://www.oregon.gov/ENERGY/TRANS/hybridcr.shtml Look on the right hand column for "Alternative Fuel Vehicles or Charging/Fueling Systems:" under this is a pdf application form link and other info. For Businesses: http://www.oregon.gov/ENERGY/TRANS/transhm.shtml Lyn Cornell ODOT Research Coordinator 200 Hawthorne Ave SE, Suite B-240 Salem, OR 97301 Phone: 503 986-2853 Fax: 503 986-2844 ODOT ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of . Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:18 PM To: Oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] purchase rebates or tax cuts Does anyone know if there are any tax credits, cuts or rebates for purchasing or converting a electric vehicle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090202/96b0beb0/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 19:32:05 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:32:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] For Sale: Electric 1975 Porsche 914 Message-ID: <143180.10466.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> For Sale: Electric 1975 Porsche 914 Get ready for a global-warming summer and high gas prices by getting your very own electric convertible Porsche! Only 2 cents a mile electricity costs! http://www.evalbum.com/1137 http://914ev.blogspot.com Fully restored car with new paint (red) and upholstery (tan/red) Enhanced with custom wheels, CD stereo and aluminum seat adjuster handles Custom steering wheel, rebuilt VDO clock, and fog lights Front turn signals are European style and all rear lights are super-bright LEDs Brakes upgraded with BMW 325i calipers for better stopping Newly rebuilt transmission with new synchro rings 70 mph top speed and 50 mile range (expect to drive 25 miles at 50% DOD) 914 AC kit from Electro Automotive installed: AC24 motor with DMOC445 controller Zivan NG3 charger with dual charge settings IOTA DLS-45 DC-DC PakTrakr with serial logging Integrated hair dryers for defrost Tachometer works Oil and Alternator light show controller status Vehicle uses 18 8-volt US8VGC-HC batteries, but you can change them if desired. Batteries are two years old and still have 20 driving miles to a charge, but could use replacement for longer term use. Car has 9,000 EV miles on it. Selling for $20,000 AS-IS or $25,000 with new batteries, firm Contact Tim: (tim_kutscha at yahoo.com) if interested I'll bring this to the OEVA meeting next week on February 12th From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 21:53:58 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:53:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: [Corvallisevclub] Solar Car mailing list Message-ID: <951886.88124.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I wanted to forward a message from the Corvallis EV club about the e-mail list for the solar car that came to Portland awhile ago. Cheers, Tim OEVA Chair ----- Forwarded Message ---- To: Corvallis EV Club List Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 8:25:16 PM Subject: [Corvallisevclub] Solar Car mailing list A mailing list has been created for those who want to follow the travails and travels of Marcelo and his xof1. If you want to be on the list you can mail your request to "Laurie Flarity-White" BTW, the latest news is that he broke a tie-rod in Redway Calif. I don't know if that is fixed yet. -- Allen Brown From frodus17 at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 14:04:57 2009 From: frodus17 at gmail.com (frodus17 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:04:57 +0000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Batteries available Message-ID: <0016e64652fa701dbd04621efa33@google.com> I have a quantity of 13 18Ah panasonic SLA's available for sale. I bought them a couple months ago thinking they'd fit in my motorcycle conversion, and they're just shy of about 1/2". I have decided to get a pack of lithium for my bike and sell these to someone locally if possible. They are brand new in the box, have been trickle charged since I got them. link to datasheet: http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/Panasonic_VRLA_LC-X1228P_LC-X1228AP.pdf link to my discharge curve at 50A. The 100A curve started to smoke my battery cables on our test fixture. http://pics.evfr.net/displayimage.php?album=26&pos=1 I'd like to get $40 each obo. Will sell individually in pairs. Thanks Travis Gintz Portland, OR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090204/afbdbc39/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 22:18:05 2009 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:18:05 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Incentives for 2 & 3 Wheeler EVs Message-ID: <8c28d7b50902042218t161c638dtfab4d23aa7580d48@mail.gmail.com> If you are interested in the federal plug-in vehicle tax credit for 2 & 3 wheel EVs, here is your chance to make your voice heard. If you are thinking about a Vetrix, an Aptera or the new two seater Sparrow (NMG), you might want to read this. From Persu Mobility: Last fall Congress approved consumer tax credits of up to $7500 for plug-in cars. Unfortunately the lawmakers left out the most affordable and available solution: 2 and 3 wheeled plug-in vehicles. This year Persu Mobility, along with Plug In America and a team of entrepreneurial plug-in vehicle companies from coast to coast has worked with Senators Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), John Kerry (D-MA), Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), and Bill Nelson (D-FL) to get critical plug-in vehicle tax credit language into the upcoming stimulus bill. We are very close to success. But now our efforts are threatened - we hear that the consumer tax credits for 2 and 3 wheeled plug-ins may get removed from the stimulus bill. We need your help - we will do most of the work. Please take just a moment to click through the link below and send a strong message to your representatives in Congress and the President telling them that you want plug-in electric vehicles to be successful along with the truly green jobs they can create. Show Washington just how serious you are about wanting affordable plug-in vehicles on the road now: http://www.pluginamerica.org/stimulus-2-3wheel It is time to ask Congress to advance the next generation of transportation options. Each and every voice they hear will make a difference. Let us do the work for you - Just click the link below and in less than a minute you can get your message to Congress about this key issue: http://www.pluginamerica.org/stimulus-2-3wheel Thank you! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090204/ee92b1a6/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 22:34:09 2009 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:34:09 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Incentives for 2 & 3 Wheeler EVs In-Reply-To: <8c28d7b50902042218t161c638dtfab4d23aa7580d48@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c28d7b50902042218t161c638dtfab4d23aa7580d48@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c28d7b50902042234p3134680dk528cd4dec2c9422c@mail.gmail.com> I just got an update. If you want to sign the petition that includes plug-in conversions too, then use this link instead. http://www.pluginamerica.com/stimulus Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:18 PM, wrote: > If you are interested in the federal plug-in vehicle tax credit for 2 & 3 > wheel EVs, here is your chance to make your voice heard. If you are thinking > about a Vetrix, an Aptera or the new two seater Sparrow (NMG), you might > want to read this. From Persu Mobility: > > Last fall Congress approved consumer tax credits of up to $7500 for plug-in > cars. Unfortunately the lawmakers left out the most affordable and available > solution: 2 and 3 wheeled plug-in vehicles. > > This year Persu Mobility, along with Plug In America and a team of > entrepreneurial plug-in vehicle companies from coast to coast has worked > with Senators Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), John Kerry (D-MA), > Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), and Bill Nelson (D-FL) to get critical plug-in > vehicle tax credit language into the upcoming stimulus bill. We are very > close to success. > > But now our efforts are threatened - we hear that the consumer tax credits > for 2 and 3 wheeled plug-ins may get removed from the stimulus bill. > > We need your help - we will do most of the work. Please take just a moment > to click through the link below and send a strong message to your > representatives in Congress and the President telling them that you want > plug-in electric vehicles to be successful along with the truly green jobs > they can create. Show Washington just how serious you are about wanting > affordable plug-in vehicles on the road now: > > http://www.pluginamerica.org/stimulus-2-3wheel > > It is time to ask Congress to advance the next generation of transportation > options. Each and every voice they hear will make a difference. > > Let us do the work for you - Just click the link below and in less than a > minute you can get your message to Congress about this key issue: > > http://www.pluginamerica.org/stimulus-2-3wheel Thank you! > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090204/86460919/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 13:54:55 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:54:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA Monthly Meeting, Thurs. Feb. 12th Message-ID: <818310.32826.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello OEVA folks, It's time for another monthly meeting next Thursday, February 12th. Everyone, member or not, is welcome to attend our meetings. We'll gather as usual at 7:00PM for show-and-tell of EVs and start the meeting at 7:30PM. We meet at Two World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The street-side charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. Agenda for the general meeting: 7:30 - Welcome new people (logistics like membership, T-shirts, flyers, e-mail list) - Announcements (Claire Luton working on EV Insurance) - Review past EVents and upcoming EVents - More details of EV Awareness Day - Updates on member EV projects 8:15 - Break into subgroups Michael Drewry or Tim Kutscha will host the newcomers group Patrick Connor will host the EV Awareness Day group 9:00 - End the meeting so we can get home or look more at EVs Please feel free to bring information, questions and vehicles! Non-OEVA-members are welcome to attend! Cheers, Tim Kutscha OEVA Chair From AlphaWaveE at aol.com Fri Feb 6 14:20:36 2009 From: AlphaWaveE at aol.com (AlphaWaveE at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:20:36 EST Subject: [Oeva-list] Zero X motorcycle Message-ID: Hi all, I will bring a Zero X to the OEVA meeting next Thursday. I will have a few flyers if anyone is intersted. Wade Patterson **************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090206/3b563866/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 11:22:43 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:22:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Does anyone want a free spring compressor? Message-ID: <354862.46782.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I'm cleaning out my one-car garage and have a large spring compressor that I don't need anymore. If anyone wants it, please let me know (tim_kutscha at yahoo dot com) and I'll bring it to the Thursday meeting. Note: it won't work for springs on smaller imports like Hondas. The fingers are too big to fit between the coils, but I'm sure it will work fine for larger springs. Here's a picture: http://civic-ev.blogspot.com/2008/07/strut-compressor-tool.html Cheers, Tim From nickgaladay at msn.com Tue Feb 10 16:25:14 2009 From: nickgaladay at msn.com (Nick) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:25:14 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Toyota's EV Message-ID: Here's is Toyota's EV planned for release in 2012. Why so long? The only problem with this thing is WHY 2012? If they could have this out by July they might even save their year! 50 miles at 70 mph. O.K., so let's see it! http://behindthewheelnews.toyota.com/?id=154 &cid=DB-D3-2F-0C-D7-63-36-32-14-A2-E6-93-0E-F3-6B-75&mid=DB-7B-AC-9A-52-D6-5 C-DE-14-8B-3F-AB-B2-47-A3-DC&fname=Nick&siteid=em_200902_RLA_btw_gen_segJ&ur l=feature_text Nick Galaday, Vernonia, OR Energy conservation-- saves more than energy! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090210/03e5bdda/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 2743 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20090210/03e5bdda/attachment.jpe From Danilo_Reyes at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 17:57:46 2009 From: Danilo_Reyes at hotmail.com (D@nil0) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:57:46 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Help, We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced. We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end of the aftermarked parts market. as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail anyways to help get this bill to fail. Your state could be next!!!! URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if alternatives are available that "decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles." The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling resistance calculation. We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186 H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority reserved to the federal government. H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as tire inflation and overloading of vehicles. H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to aftermarket products. H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to consumers based on the subjective determination of government regulators. DON'T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition to H.B. 2186. Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt Phone: 503/986-1440 Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.us Oregon House Environment and Water Committee Representative Ben Cannon - Chair Phone: 503/986-1446 Email: rep.bencannon at state.or.us Representative Jules Bailey Phone: 503/986-1442 Email: rep.juleskopelbailey at state.or.us Representative Phil Barnhart Phone: 503/986-1411 Email: rep.philbarnhart at state.or.us Representative Cliff Bentz Phone: 503/986-1460 Email: rep.cliffbentz at state.or.us Representative Deborah Boone Phone: 503/986-1432 Email: rep.deborahboone at state.or.us Representative Vic Gilliam Phone: 503/986-1418 Email: rep.vicgilliam at state.or.us Representative Bob Jenson Phone: 503/986-1458 Email: rep.bobjenson at state.or.us Representative Jefferson Smith Phone: 503/986-1447 Email: rep.jeffersonsmith at state.or.us from this web site: http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 2743 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20090210/180a47e4/attachment-0001.jpe From khallgeisler at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 21:34:23 2009 From: khallgeisler at gmail.com (Kristen Hall-Geisler) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:34:23 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill References: Message-ID: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> I'm not sure why EVers would want to stop this; here's the text of the bill: http://landru.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measures/hb2100.dir/hb2186.intro.html Maybe I've missed a subtlety you guys have picked up on. - khg Kristen Hall-Geisler freelance writer | Portland, Oregon 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com From: D at nil0 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill Help, We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced. We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end of the aftermarked parts market. as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail anyways to help get this bill to fail. Your state could be next!!!! URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if alternatives are available that "decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles." The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling resistance calculation. We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186 H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority reserved to the federal government. H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as tire inflation and overloading of vehicles. H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to aftermarket products. H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to consumers based on the subjective determination of government regulators. DON'T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition to H.B. 2186. Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt Phone: 503/986-1440 Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.us Oregon House Environment and Water Committee Representative Ben Cannon - Chair Phone: 503/986-1446 Email: rep.bencannon at state.or.us Representative Jules Bailey Phone: 503/986-1442 Email: rep.juleskopelbailey at state.or.us Representative Phil Barnhart Phone: 503/986-1411 Email: rep.philbarnhart at state.or.us Representative Cliff Bentz Phone: 503/986-1460 Email: rep.cliffbentz at state.or.us Representative Deborah Boone Phone: 503/986-1432 Email: rep.deborahboone at state.or.us Representative Vic Gilliam Phone: 503/986-1418 Email: rep.vicgilliam at state.or.us Representative Bob Jenson Phone: 503/986-1458 Email: rep.bobjenson at state.or.us Representative Jefferson Smith Phone: 503/986-1447 Email: rep.jeffersonsmith at state.or.us from this web site: http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please reply to ken at fivestarguitars.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090210/be526eba/attachment.html From danilo_reyes at hotmail.com Wed Feb 11 07:33:09 2009 From: danilo_reyes at hotmail.com (danilo reyes) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:33:09 +0000 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill In-Reply-To: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> References: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> Message-ID: Hi,All of the consumers should want to stop this especially EVers and Hot Roders and hobbyists who like to modify cars. Don't you tell me that you like to user those nice tires that the hybrids and electrics use in your car? Well you won't be able to. How about all those parts you buy to make your car electric? Well the guy who sells them sells other aftermarket parts, if he is not able to sell them; he won't be able to maintain his business.I'm just trying to bring attention to this. just my 2 cents. Danilo Reyes From: khallgeisler at gmail.comTo: oeva-list at oeva.orgDate: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:34:23 -0800Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill I'm not sure why EVers would want to stop this; here's the text of the bill: http://landru.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measures/hb2100.dir/hb2186.intro.html Maybe I've missed a subtlety you guys have picked up on. - khg Kristen Hall-Geislerfreelance writer | Portland, Oregon503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com From: D at nil0 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill Help,We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced.We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end of the aftermarked parts market.as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail anyways to help get this bill to fail.Your state could be next!!!!URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if alternatives are available that ?decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles.? The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling resistance calculation. We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority reserved to the federal government.H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as tire inflation and overloading of vehicles.H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to aftermarket products.H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc.H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to consumers based on the subjective determination of government regulators.DON?T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition to H.B. 2186. Oregon House Speaker Dave HuntPhone: 503/986-1440Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.usOregon House Environment and Water CommitteeRepresentative Ben Cannon ? ChairPhone: 503/986-1446Email: rep.bencannon at state.or.usRepresentative Jules BaileyPhone: 503/986-1442Email: rep.juleskopelbailey at state.or.usRepresentative Phil BarnhartPhone: 503/986-1411Email: rep.philbarnhart at state.or.usRepresentative Cliff BentzPhone: 503/986-1460Email: rep.cliffbentz at state.or.usRepresentative Deborah BoonePhone: 503/986-1432Email: rep.deborahboone at state.or.usRepresentative Vic GilliamPhone: 503/986-1418Email: rep.vicgilliam at state.or.usRepresentative Bob JensonPhone: 503/986-1458Email: rep.bobjenson at state.or.usRepresentative Jefferson SmithPhone: 503/986-1447Email: rep.jeffersonsmith at state.or.usfrom this web site:http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 _______________________________________________Oeva-list mailing listOeva-list at oeva.orghttp://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090211/97f55992/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2743 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20090211/97f55992/attachment-0001.jpg From bstewert at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 09:15:22 2009 From: bstewert at gmail.com (Bob Stewert) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:15:22 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill In-Reply-To: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> References: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> Message-ID: <0B98B3AC-EA63-4121-AB7C-CF7CF3B258AF@gmail.com> I would support anything that would help me see real blue sky and breathe fresh air again. I've felt this way for the last 50 years. Bob Stewert On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: > I'm not sure why EVers would want to stop this; here's the text of > the bill: http://landru.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measures/hb2100.dir/ > hb2186.intro.html > > Maybe I've missed a subtlety you guys have picked up on. - khg > > Kristen Hall-Geisler > freelance writer | Portland, Oregon > 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com > > > > > From: D at nil0 > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57 PM > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill > > > Help, > > We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced. > We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end of > the aftermarked parts market. > > as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail > anyways to help get this bill to fail. > > Your state could be next!!!! > > > URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT > Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts > At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker > of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the > sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if > alternatives are available that ?decrease greenhouse gas emissions > from motor vehicles.? The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket > tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to > implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling > resistance calculation. > > We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and > Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information > Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186 > > H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority > reserved to the federal government. > > > H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, > handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling > resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract > consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as > tire inflation and overloading of vehicles. > > > H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment > manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts > OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to > aftermarket products. > > > H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either > personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes > including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. > > > H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and > could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to > consumers based on the subjective determination of government > regulators. > DON?T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House > Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition > to H.B. 2186. > > Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt > Phone: 503/986-1440 > Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.us > > Oregon House Environment and Water Committee > > Representative Ben Cannon ? Chair > Phone: 503/986-1446 > Email: rep.bencannon at state.or.us > > Representative Jules Bailey > Phone: 503/986-1442 > Email: rep.juleskopelbailey at state.or.us > > Representative Phil Barnhart > Phone: 503/986-1411 > Email: rep.philbarnhart at state.or.us > > Representative Cliff Bentz > Phone: 503/986-1460 > Email: rep.cliffbentz at state.or.us > > Representative Deborah Boone > Phone: 503/986-1432 > Email: rep.deborahboone at state.or.us > > Representative Vic Gilliam > Phone: 503/986-1418 > Email: rep.vicgilliam at state.or.us > > Representative Bob Jenson > Phone: 503/986-1458 > Email: rep.bobjenson at state.or.us > > Representative Jefferson Smith > Phone: 503/986-1447 > Email: rep.jeffersonsmith at state.or.us > > > > > > from this web site: > > http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090211/5c039bfa/attachment.html From bstewert at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 09:20:31 2009 From: bstewert at gmail.com (Bob Stewert) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:20:31 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill In-Reply-To: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> References: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> Message-ID: I would support anything that would help me see real blue sky and breathe fresh air again. I've felt this way for the last 50 years. Bob Stewert On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: > I'm not sure why EVers would want to stop this; here's the text of > the bill: http://landru.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measures/hb2100.dir/ > hb2186.intro.html > > Maybe I've missed a subtlety you guys have picked up on. - khg > > Kristen Hall-Geisler > freelance writer | Portland, Oregon > 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com > > > > > From: D at nil0 > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57 PM > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill > > > Help, > > We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced. > We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end of > the aftermarked parts market. > > as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail > anyways to help get this bill to fail. > > Your state could be next!!!! > > > URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT > Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts > At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker > of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the > sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if > alternatives are available that ?decrease greenhouse gas emissions > from motor vehicles.? The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket > tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to > implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling > resistance calculation. > > We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and > Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information > Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186 > > H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority > reserved to the federal government. > > > H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, > handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling > resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract > consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as > tire inflation and overloading of vehicles. > > > H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment > manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts > OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to > aftermarket products. > > > H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either > personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes > including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. > > > H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and > could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to > consumers based on the subjective determination of government > regulators. > DON?T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House > Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition > to H.B. 2186. > > Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt > Phone: 503/986-1440 > Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.us > > Oregon House Environment and Water Committee > > Representative Ben Cannon ? Chair > Phone: 503/986-1446 > Email: rep.bencannon at state.or.us > > Representative Jules Bailey > Phone: 503/986-1442 > Email: rep.juleskopelbailey at state.or.us > > Representative Phil Barnhart > Phone: 503/986-1411 > Email: rep.philbarnhart at state.or.us > > Representative Cliff Bentz > Phone: 503/986-1460 > Email: rep.cliffbentz at state.or.us > > Representative Deborah Boone > Phone: 503/986-1432 > Email: rep.deborahboone at state.or.us > > Representative Vic Gilliam > Phone: 503/986-1418 > Email: rep.vicgilliam at state.or.us > > Representative Bob Jenson > Phone: 503/986-1458 > Email: rep.bobjenson at state.or.us > > Representative Jefferson Smith > Phone: 503/986-1447 > Email: rep.jeffersonsmith at state.or.us > > > > > > from this web site: > > http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090211/d75935b6/attachment-0001.html From jrab at e-m-w.com Wed Feb 11 09:33:10 2009 From: jrab at e-m-w.com (John Benson) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:33:10 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill In-Reply-To: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> References: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> Message-ID: I'm not sure what the problem is really either? (d) Restrictions and prohibitions on the sale and distribution of after-market motor vehicle parts, including but not limited to tires, if alternatives are available that decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles; That's all is says about aftermarket. Sounds like a good thing. If there are alternatives, aftermarkets need to provide them. Does Les Schwab sell LRR tires as a first choice? Not generally. Sorta like saying pharmacies need to sell generics. Well, yeah, except the generics are the fuel efficient options. Most of the time, autoparts stores don't sell Jack that's fuel efficient, except for garbage "magic solutions" and fuel additives. Nothing in this about having to sell GM products or non-aftermarket products as far as I read it, but I'm not a lawyer. Potentially, that means maybe autoparts stores would have to sell Zilla's (if they were manufactured again)? Yahoo! JRAB On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: > I'm not sure why EVers would want to stop this; here's the text of > the bill: http://landru.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measures/hb2100.dir/hb2186.intro.html > > Maybe I've missed a subtlety you guys have picked up on. - khg > > Kristen Hall-Geisler > freelance writer | Portland, Oregon > 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com > > > > > From: D at nil0 > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57 PM > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill > > > Help, > > We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced. > We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end of > the aftermarked parts market. > > as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail > anyways to help get this bill to fail. > > Your state could be next!!!! > > > URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT > Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts > At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker > of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the > sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if > alternatives are available that ?decrease greenhouse gas emissions > from motor vehicles.? The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket > tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to > implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling > resistance calculation. > > We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and > Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information > Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186 > > H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority reserved > to the federal government. > > > H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, > handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling > resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract > consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as tire > inflation and overloading of vehicles. > > > H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment > manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM- > selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to > aftermarket products. > > > H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either > personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes > including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. > > > H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and > could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to > consumers based on the subjective determination of government > regulators. > DON?T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House > Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition > to H.B. 2186. > > Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt > Phone: 503/986-1440 > Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.us > > Oregon House Environment and Water Committee > > Representative Ben Cannon ? Chair > Phone: 503/986-1446 > Email: rep.bencannon at state.or.us > > Representative Jules Bailey > Phone: 503/986-1442 > Email: rep.juleskopelbailey at state.or.us > > Representative Phil Barnhart > Phone: 503/986-1411 > Email: rep.philbarnhart at state.or.us > > Representative Cliff Bentz > Phone: 503/986-1460 > Email: rep.cliffbentz at state.or.us > > Representative Deborah Boone > Phone: 503/986-1432 > Email: rep.deborahboone at state.or.us > > Representative Vic Gilliam > Phone: 503/986-1418 > Email: rep.vicgilliam at state.or.us > > Representative Bob Jenson > Phone: 503/986-1458 > Email: rep.bobjenson at state.or.us > > Representative Jefferson Smith > Phone: 503/986-1447 > Email: rep.jeffersonsmith at state.or.us > > > > > > from this web site: > > http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090211/550e8a6e/attachment.html From Danilo_Reyes at hotmail.com Wed Feb 11 10:05:21 2009 From: Danilo_Reyes at hotmail.com (D@nil0) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:05:21 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill References: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> Message-ID: I'm in this list because of the same reason. We all want to see a better and cleaner world. What I do not want is to have my freedom compromised by mandatory governmental procedures and regulations. As it has been in the past these rules are going to be applied to all aftermarket parts, even the ones that are good for the environment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Stewert To: Kristen Hall-Geisler Cc: OEVA Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill I would support anything that would help me see real blue sky and breathe fresh air again. I've felt this way for the last 50 years. Bob Stewert On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: I'm not sure why EVers would want to stop this; here's the text of the bill: http://landru.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measures/hb2100.dir/hb2186.intro.html Maybe I've missed a subtlety you guys have picked up on. - khg Kristen Hall-Geisler freelance writer | Portland, Oregon 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com From: D at nil0 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill Help, We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced. We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end of the aftermarked parts market. as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail anyways to help get this bill to fail. Your state could be next!!!! URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if alternatives are available that ?decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles.? The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling resistance calculation. We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186 H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority reserved to the federal government. H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as tire inflation and overloading of vehicles. H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to aftermarket products. H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to consumers based on the subjective determination of government regulators. DON?T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition to H.B. 2186. Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt Phone: 503/986-1440 Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.us Oregon House Environment and Water Committee Representative Ben Cannon ? Chair Phone: 503/986-1446 Email: rep.bencannon at state.or.us Representative Jules Bailey Phone: 503/986-1442 Email: rep.juleskopelbailey at state.or.us Representative Phil Barnhart Phone: 503/986-1411 Email: rep.philbarnhart at state.or.us Representative Cliff Bentz Phone: 503/986-1460 Email: rep.cliffbentz at state.or.us Representative Deborah Boone Phone: 503/986-1432 Email: rep.deborahboone at state.or.us Representative Vic Gilliam Phone: 503/986-1418 Email: rep.vicgilliam at state.or.us Representative Bob Jenson Phone: 503/986-1458 Email: rep.bobjenson at state.or.us Representative Jefferson Smith Phone: 503/986-1447 Email: rep.jeffersonsmith at state.or.us from this web site: http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090211/f4eaef3a/attachment-0001.html From Danilo_Reyes at hotmail.com Wed Feb 11 10:23:58 2009 From: Danilo_Reyes at hotmail.com (D@nil0) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:23:58 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill References: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> Message-ID: I disagree, What do you mean that aftermarket do not sell Jack that is fuel efficient? OEM cars have restrictions that are there just because they need to satisfy a wide variety of customers. Example of this is noise levels and ride quality (from tires, exhaust, air intake etc) Some customers are willing to sacrifice some of that comfort for practicability. Most would do it themselves and some of us already do it. The car would improve a few miles per gallon if you install a good brand intake and exhaust. There are a few other modifications you can do in addition to that, and there are a few cars that the improvement would be much better than others. For another example, do you know that it is illegal to modify a car to E85? without entering in a debate if it is green or not, the way the law stands now, it is not legal. I would love to be able to have a renewable fuel and not having to pay the other countries as much as we do now while at the same time reducing the carbon footprint. (Not counting the extra horsepower I will have.) Well I guess everyone have their own opinions. For me, this regulation will do more harm than good. DR ----- Original Message ----- From: John Benson To: Kristen Hall-Geisler Cc: OEVA Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill I'm not sure what the problem is really either? (d) Restrictions and prohibitions on the sale and distribution of after-market motor vehicle parts, including but not limited to tires, if alternatives are available that decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles; That's all is says about aftermarket. Sounds like a good thing. If there are alternatives, aftermarkets need to provide them. Does Les Schwab sell LRR tires as a first choice? Not generally. Sorta like saying pharmacies need to sell generics. Well, yeah, except the generics are the fuel efficient options. Most of the time, autoparts stores don't sell Jack that's fuel efficient, except for garbage "magic solutions" and fuel additives. Nothing in this about having to sell GM products or non-aftermarket products as far as I read it, but I'm not a lawyer. Potentially, that means maybe autoparts stores would have to sell Zilla's (if they were manufactured again)? Yahoo! JRAB On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: I'm not sure why EVers would want to stop this; here's the text of the bill: http://landru.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measures/hb2100.dir/hb2186.intro.html Maybe I've missed a subtlety you guys have picked up on. - khg Kristen Hall-Geisler freelance writer | Portland, Oregon 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com From: D at nil0 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill Help, We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced. We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end of the aftermarked parts market. as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail anyways to help get this bill to fail. Your state could be next!!!! URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if alternatives are available that ?decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles.? The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling resistance calculation. We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186 H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority reserved to the federal government. H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as tire inflation and overloading of vehicles. H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to aftermarket products. H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to consumers based on the subjective determination of government regulators. DON?T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition to H.B. 2186. Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt Phone: 503/986-1440 Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.us Oregon House Environment and Water Committee Representative Ben Cannon ? Chair Phone: 503/986-1446 Email: rep.bencannon at state.or.us Representative Jules Bailey Phone: 503/986-1442 Email: rep.juleskopelbailey at state.or.us Representative Phil Barnhart Phone: 503/986-1411 Email: rep.philbarnhart at state.or.us Representative Cliff Bentz Phone: 503/986-1460 Email: rep.cliffbentz at state.or.us Representative Deborah Boone Phone: 503/986-1432 Email: rep.deborahboone at state.or.us Representative Vic Gilliam Phone: 503/986-1418 Email: rep.vicgilliam at state.or.us Representative Bob Jenson Phone: 503/986-1458 Email: rep.bobjenson at state.or.us Representative Jefferson Smith Phone: 503/986-1447 Email: rep.jeffersonsmith at state.or.us from this web site: http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090211/f8a515bd/attachment.html From alan at batie.org Wed Feb 11 10:36:34 2009 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:36:34 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill In-Reply-To: References: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> Message-ID: <49931AB2.9040503@batie.org> John Benson wrote: > I'm not sure what the problem is really either? > > (d) Restrictions and prohibitions on the sale and distribution > of after-market motor vehicle parts, including but not limited to > tires, if alternatives are available that decrease greenhouse gas > emissions from motor vehicles; The problem is that the legislature isn't defining what those restrictions and prohibitions are going to be. If EQC makes rules that only ban the egregious offenders, fine. If it makes rules that are too draconian, it's counter productive and becomes another black mark against "environmentalists", who already have a bad reputation in a lot of quarters for badly handled regulations. And it's a solution for a problem that doesn't really exist: the after market parts that are actually a problem, are such a small part of the problem that's it's not going to make one whit of difference. It's "feel good" legislation that makes them look like they're doing something while just creating red tape and solving nothing. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From cje at hevanet.com Wed Feb 11 14:58:02 2009 From: cje at hevanet.com (cje at hevanet.com) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:58:02 GMT Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill Message-ID: <200902112258.n1BMw2KU069302@broadway.hevanet.com> My two cents.. it's a crummy idea to have mileage or "greenness" be the only kind of upgrade car parts can be allowed to have.. heck, putting a trailer hitch on your truck makes it heavier and reduces your mileage. Would trailer hitches be illegal? Curt Lurkin' > > > > I disagree, > > > > What do you mean that aftermarket do not sell Jack that is fuel > efficient? > > OEM cars have restrictions that are there just because they need to > satisfy a wide variety of customers. Example of this is noise levels and > ride quality (from tires, exhaust, air intake etc) > > Some customers are willing to sacrifice some of that comfort for > practicability. Most would do it themselves and some of us already do > it. > > > > The car would improve a few miles per gallon if you install a good brand > intake and exhaust. There are a few other modifications you can do in > addition to that, and there are a few cars that the improvement would be > much better than others. > > > > > > For another example, do you know that it is illegal to modify a car to > E85? without entering in a debate if it is green or not, the way the law > stands now, it is not legal. I would love to be able to have a renewable > fuel and not having to pay the other countries as much as we do now > while at the same time reducing the carbon footprint. (Not counting the > extra horsepower I will have.) > > > > Well I guess everyone have their own opinions. > > For me, this regulation will do more harm than good. > > > > DR > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Benson > To: Kristen Hall-Geisler > Cc: OEVA > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill > > > I'm not sure what the problem is really either? > > > (d) Restrictions and prohibitions on the sale and distribution > of after-market motor vehicle parts, including but not limited to > tires, if alternatives are available that decrease greenhouse gas > emissions from motor vehicles; > > > That's all is says about aftermarket. > > > Sounds like a good thing. If there are alternatives, aftermarkets need > to provide them. Does Les Schwab sell LRR tires as a first choice? Not > generally. Sorta like saying pharmacies need to sell generics. Well, > yeah, except the generics are the fuel efficient options. Most of the > time, autoparts stores don't sell Jack that's fuel efficient, except for > garbage "magic solutions" and fuel additives. Nothing in this about > having to sell GM products or non-aftermarket products as far as I read > it, but I'm not a lawyer. Potentially, that means maybe autoparts stores > would have to sell Zilla's (if they were manufactured again)? Yahoo! > > > JRAB > > > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: > > > I'm not sure why EVers would want to stop this; here's the text of > the bill: > http://landru.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measures/hb2100.dir/hb2186.intro.htm l> > > Maybe I've missed a subtlety you guys have picked up on. - khg > > Kristen Hall-Geisler > freelance writer | Portland, Oregon > 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com > > > > > > From: D at nil0 > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57 PM > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill > > > > Help, > > We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced. > We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end of > the aftermarked parts market. > > as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail > anyways to help get this bill to fail. > > Your state could be next!!!! > > > URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT > Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts > At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker > of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the sale > and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if alternatives are > available that ?decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor > vehicles.? The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket tires and > would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to implement > enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling resistance > calculation. > > We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and > Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information > Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186 > > H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority reserved > to the federal government. > > > H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, > handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling resistance > rating. In addition, this program could easily distract consumers from > focusing on more important safety issues such as tire inflation and > overloading of vehicles. > > > H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment > manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts > OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to > aftermarket products. > > > H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either > personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes > including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. > > > H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and > could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to > consumers based on the subjective determination of government > regulators. > DON?T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House > Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition to > H.B. 2186. > > Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt > Phone: 503/986-1440 > Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.us > > Oregon House Environment and Water Committee > > Representative Ben Cannon ? 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We were planning on comming down last month but the floods on I5 kept us from making it. We are running LiFFePo4 with one of Synkromotives Beta controllers. See ya there Dave Kois Powered By DC, LLC From richardturnock at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 16:44:28 2009 From: richardturnock at comcast.net (Richard Turnock) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:44:28 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] toyota prius Message-ID: I read the article on the car page of the Sunday Oregonian about hybrid vehicles. For the new Toyota Prius PHEV they said the car would go ONE mile on electricity only. [Place sarcastic remark here] Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090211/358c7a2a/attachment.html From bstewert at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 19:17:41 2009 From: bstewert at gmail.com (Bob Stewert) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:17:41 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill In-Reply-To: References: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> Message-ID: <71FBAB01-729A-4069-81F8-79AB2DE355E5@gmail.com> Danilo, Good answer. However, I believe most of the world doesn't care at all. I recently was on a drive trip from NYC to N. Carolina. I saw so much waste, lack of care, garbage on the roads, the air was filthy. Employees in fast food restaurants, gas stations and motels gave me puzzled looks when I asked something as simple as where are the glass/plastic recycling bins. Cigarette butts/trash all over sidewalks from NYC to small towns. Even some of our "educated friends" don't care. In Charlotte, NC (a modern city in the South) I counted 6 Prius cars in 5 days. Here in Portland I can see 6 Prius' in 6 min. sometimes. Just scanning the bill, it seems there are 1000 better ways to spend the time, money and effort. For example, rather than paying 5% more for green energy from PGE (like we do), you should have to pay 5% more for dirty energy. Rather than pay $1 for a can of coke and then give 5? back for the can, you should have to pay $2 up front, then get $1 back for the can. It's not worth the 5? to most people. So it seems to me you either have to make the thing financially attractive, or cram it down your throat with a gov law. Since most people want the lowest price, you see what's left. I don't think it will pass. Bob On Feb 11, 2009, at 10:05 AM, D at nil0 wrote: > I'm in this list because of the same reason. > We all want to see a better and cleaner world. > What I do not want is to have my freedom compromised by mandatory > governmental procedures and regulations. > As it has been in the past these rules are going to be applied to > all aftermarket parts, even the ones that are good for the > environment. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Stewert > To: Kristen Hall-Geisler > Cc: OEVA > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill > > I would support anything that would help me see real blue sky and > breathe fresh air again. I've felt this way for the last 50 years. > Bob Stewert > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: > >> I'm not sure why EVers would want to stop this; here's the text of >> the bill:http://landru.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measures/hb2100.dir/ >> hb2186.intro.html >> >> Maybe I've missed a subtlety you guys have picked up on. - khg >> >> Kristen Hall-Geisler >> freelance writer | Portland, Oregon >> 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com >> >> >> >> >> From: D at nil0 >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57 PM >> To: oeva-list at oeva.org >> Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill >> >> >> Help, >> >> We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced. >> We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end of >> the aftermarked parts market. >> >> as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail >> anyways to help get this bill to fail. >> >> Your state could be next!!!! >> >> >> URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT >> Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts >> At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker >> of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit >> the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if >> alternatives are available that ?decrease greenhouse gas emissions >> from motor vehicles.? The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket >> tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to >> implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling >> resistance calculation. >> >> We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and >> Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact >> Information Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. >> 2186 >> >> H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority >> reserved to the federal government. >> >> >> H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, >> handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling >> resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract >> consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as >> tire inflation and overloading of vehicles. >> >> >> H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original >> equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially >> exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are >> superior to aftermarket products. >> >> >> H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either >> personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes >> including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. >> >> >> H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and >> could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to >> consumers based on the subjective determination of government >> regulators. >> DON?T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House >> Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition >> to H.B. 2186. >> >> Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt >> Phone: 503/986-1440 >> Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.us >> >> Oregon House Environment and Water Committee >> >> Representative Ben Cannon ? Chair >> Phone: 503/986-1446 >> Email: rep.bencannon at state.or.us >> >> Representative Jules Bailey >> Phone: 503/986-1442 >> Email: rep.juleskopelbailey at state.or.us >> >> Representative Phil Barnhart >> Phone: 503/986-1411 >> Email: rep.philbarnhart at state.or.us >> >> Representative Cliff Bentz >> Phone: 503/986-1460 >> Email: rep.cliffbentz at state.or.us >> >> Representative Deborah Boone >> Phone: 503/986-1432 >> Email: rep.deborahboone at state.or.us >> >> Representative Vic Gilliam >> Phone: 503/986-1418 >> Email: rep.vicgilliam at state.or.us >> >> Representative Bob Jenson >> Phone: 503/986-1458 >> Email: rep.bobjenson at state.or.us >> >> Representative Jefferson Smith >> Phone: 503/986-1447 >> Email: rep.jeffersonsmith at state.or.us >> >> >> >> >> >> from this web site: >> >> http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090211/b6cd9321/attachment-0001.html From jrab at e-m-w.com Wed Feb 11 21:09:50 2009 From: jrab at e-m-w.com (John Benson) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:09:50 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill In-Reply-To: References: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> Message-ID: <2633E04B-E646-4D44-9E95-BD944193DC93@e-m-w.com> By "dont sell Jack" was shorthand for: I should have said the parts that are promoted are generally, "Get more horsepower with..." or "Bigger badder bla bla bla". I'm making a pretty gross stereotype for that stuff though I'll admit. NEVER have I gone in to get a new oil filter and been told "This one is going to help your fuel efficiency" or at Les Schwab, "here's an option: These tires will improve your MPG" . New brand intake and exhaust? They'll sell the cheaper one, not the more fuel efficient one. If you are looking for something specific, then this law as worded isn't going to prevent you from getting it, but it might encourage aftermarket to provide something more efficient. If there's a reg to say, you must buy this one because it will increase efficiency, that's good. Like the feds telling the auto manufactures the need to put catalytic converters on cars. Everyone whined about that one, and it cost more, but the air is cleaner because of it. And people still drive guzzlers. Reality? The wording is so general that it would take the supreme court to enforce it. There is nothing that defines restrictions or prohibitions, or how it would be enforced. It seems pretty much like legislative pandering to show that they are doing something. I just read Alan's mail that came after yours and would have to agree with him. jrab On Feb 11, 2009, at 10:23 AM, D at nil0 wrote: > > > > I disagree, > > What do you mean that aftermarket do not sell Jack that is fuel > efficient? > OEM cars have restrictions that are there just because they need to > satisfy a wide variety of customers. Example of this is noise levels > and ride quality (from tires, exhaust, air intake etc) > Some customers are willing to sacrifice some of that comfort for > practicability. Most would do it themselves and some of us already > do it. > > The car would improve a few miles per gallon if you install a good > brand intake and exhaust. There are a few other modifications you > can do in addition to that, and there are a few cars that the > improvement would be much better than others. > > > For another example, do you know that it is illegal to modify a car > to E85? without entering in a debate if it is green or not, the way > the law stands now, it is not legal. I would love to be able to have > a renewable fuel and not having to pay the other countries as much > as we do now while at the same time reducing the carbon footprint. > (Not counting the extra horsepower I will have.) > > Well I guess everyone have their own opinions. > For me, this regulation will do more harm than good. > > DR > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Benson > To: Kristen Hall-Geisler > Cc: OEVA > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill > > I'm not sure what the problem is really either? > > (d) Restrictions and prohibitions on the sale and distribution > of after-market motor vehicle parts, including but not limited to > tires, if alternatives are available that decrease greenhouse gas > emissions from motor vehicles; > > That's all is says about aftermarket. > > Sounds like a good thing. If there are alternatives, aftermarkets > need to provide them. Does Les Schwab sell LRR tires as a first > choice? Not generally. Sorta like saying pharmacies need to sell > generics. Well, yeah, except the generics are the fuel efficient > options. Most of the time, autoparts stores don't sell Jack that's > fuel efficient, except for garbage "magic solutions" and fuel > additives. Nothing in this about having to sell GM products or non- > aftermarket products as far as I read it, but I'm not a lawyer. > Potentially, that means maybe autoparts stores would have to sell > Zilla's (if they were manufactured again)? Yahoo! > > JRAB > > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: > >> I'm not sure why EVers would want to stop this; here's the text of >> the bill: http://landru.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measures/hb2100.dir/hb2186.intro.html >> >> Maybe I've missed a subtlety you guys have picked up on. - khg >> >> Kristen Hall-Geisler >> freelance writer | Portland, Oregon >> 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com >> >> >> >> >> From: D at nil0 >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57 PM >> To: oeva-list at oeva.org >> Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill >> >> >> Help, >> >> We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced. >> We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end of >> the aftermarked parts market. >> >> as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail >> anyways to help get this bill to fail. >> >> Your state could be next!!!! >> >> >> URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT >> Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts >> At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker >> of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to prohibit the >> sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if >> alternatives are available that ?decrease greenhouse gas emissions >> from motor vehicles.? The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket >> tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to >> implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling >> resistance calculation. >> >> We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and >> Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact Information >> Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186 >> >> H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority >> reserved to the federal government. >> >> >> H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, >> handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling >> resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract >> consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as >> tire inflation and overloading of vehicles. >> >> >> H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment >> manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts >> OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to >> aftermarket products. >> >> >> H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either >> personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes >> including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. >> >> >> H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and >> could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to >> consumers based on the subjective determination of government >> regulators. >> DON?T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the House >> Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his opposition >> to H.B. 2186. >> >> Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt >> Phone: 503/986-1440 >> Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.us >> >> Oregon House Environment and Water Committee >> >> Representative Ben Cannon ? Chair >> Phone: 503/986-1446 >> Email: rep.bencannon at state.or.us >> >> Representative Jules Bailey >> Phone: 503/986-1442 >> Email: rep.juleskopelbailey at state.or.us >> >> Representative Phil Barnhart >> Phone: 503/986-1411 >> Email: rep.philbarnhart at state.or.us >> >> Representative Cliff Bentz >> Phone: 503/986-1460 >> Email: rep.cliffbentz at state.or.us >> >> Representative Deborah Boone >> Phone: 503/986-1432 >> Email: rep.deborahboone at state.or.us >> >> Representative Vic Gilliam >> Phone: 503/986-1418 >> Email: rep.vicgilliam at state.or.us >> >> Representative Bob Jenson >> Phone: 503/986-1458 >> Email: rep.bobjenson at state.or.us >> >> Representative Jefferson Smith >> Phone: 503/986-1447 >> Email: rep.jeffersonsmith at state.or.us >> >> >> >> >> >> from this web site: >> >> http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdropcom/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdropcom/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090211/061ec52c/attachment-0001.html From garry at europa.com Thu Feb 12 06:24:55 2009 From: garry at europa.com (garry painter) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:24:55 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill In-Reply-To: <71FBAB01-729A-4069-81F8-79AB2DE355E5@gmail.com> References: <474C41BEBB62432C8450716CF71636FB@SivaLaptop> <71FBAB01-729A-4069-81F8-79AB2DE355E5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06DEC9F5-7EA8-4F7C-B4BC-6182B25C9E69@europa.com> .."However, I believe most of the world doesn't care at all"... Bob More often than not, it looks that way. I was down in Alabama a few years ago and noticed there were no sidewalks, no crosswalks, no pedestrian signals at traffic lights. I asked my sister, "Why don't they have sidewalks here?" She said it was because no one walks anywhere. They all drive. About a year ago, my nephew in Texas sent out a family wide email that sounded a bit frantic. It was about the necessity to become self sustaining. In the email, he listed off nearly everything we take for granted, as things we had to do. (recycling, mass transit, bike paths, efficient vehicles, etc, etc.) I thought he was a bit nuts. Why was he telling everyone that we need to do all that, when we are already doing all that? Then it hits you; "He ain't from around these parts" Maybe this new law is aimed at the buying habits of recent immigrants to Oregon, who may not understand how we think here. "Bad Timmy! No you may not put a dual quad manifold with 1500 cfm carburetors on your new Prius!" On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:17 PM, Bob Stewert wrote: > Danilo, > Good answer. However, I believe most of the world doesn't care at > all. I recently was on a drive trip from NYC to N. Carolina. I > saw so much waste, lack of care, garbage on the roads, the air was > filthy. Employees in fast food restaurants, gas stations and > motels gave me puzzled looks when I asked something as simple as > where are the glass/plastic recycling bins. Cigarette butts/trash > all over sidewalks from NYC to small towns. Even some of our > "educated friends" don't care. In Charlotte, NC (a modern city in > the South) I counted 6 Prius cars in 5 days. Here in Portland I > can see 6 Prius' in 6 min. sometimes. > > Just scanning the bill, it seems there are 1000 better ways to > spend the time, money and effort. For example, rather than paying > 5% more for green energy from PGE (like we do), you should have to > pay 5% more for dirty energy. Rather than pay $1 for a can of coke > and then give 5? back for the can, you should have to pay $2 up > front, then get $1 back for the can. It's not worth the 5? to most > people. > > So it seems to me you either have to make the thing financially > attractive, or cram it down your throat with a gov law. Since most > people want the lowest price, you see what's left. I don't think > it will pass. > Bob > > > On Feb 11, 2009, at 10:05 AM, D at nil0 wrote: > >> I'm in this list because of the same reason. >> We all want to see a better and cleaner world. >> What I do not want is to have my freedom compromised by mandatory >> governmental procedures and regulations. >> As it has been in the past these rules are going to be applied to >> all aftermarket parts, even the ones that are good for the >> environment. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bob Stewert >> To: Kristen Hall-Geisler >> Cc: OEVA >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill >> >> I would support anything that would help me see real blue sky and >> breathe fresh air again. I've felt this way for the last 50 years. >> Bob Stewert >> >> >> On Feb 10, 2009, at 9:34 PM, Kristen Hall-Geisler wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure why EVers would want to stop this; here's the text >>> of the bill:http://landru.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measures/ >>> hb2100.dir/hb2186.intro.html >>> >>> Maybe I've missed a subtlety you guys have picked up on. - khg >>> >>> Kristen Hall-Geisler >>> freelance writer | Portland, Oregon >>> 503.975.0306 | kristenhallgeisler.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: D at nil0 >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:57 PM >>> To: oeva-list at oeva.org >>> Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill >>> >>> >>> Help, >>> >>> We need to stop this. As a new bill is soon to be introduced. >>> We need all to send emails and letters as this could be the end >>> of the aftermarked parts market. >>> >>> as you said even if you aren't from Oregon, please send an e-mail >>> anyways to help get this bill to fail. >>> >>> Your state could be next!!!! >>> >>> >>> URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT >>> Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts >>> At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon >>> Speaker of the House has introduced legislation (H.B. 2186) to >>> prohibit the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle >>> parts if alternatives are available that ?decrease greenhouse gas >>> emissions from motor vehicles.? The bill is primarily focused on >>> aftermarket tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality >>> Commission to implement enforcement regulations, likely based on >>> a rolling resistance calculation. >>> >>> We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and >>> Members of the Environment and Water Committee (Contact >>> Information Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to >>> H.B. 2186 >>> >>> H.B. 2186 would regulate vehicle fuel economy, an authority >>> reserved to the federal government. >>> >>> >>> H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, >>> handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling >>> resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily >>> distract consumers from focusing on more important safety issues >>> such as tire inflation and overloading of vehicles. >>> >>> >>> H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original >>> equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program >>> essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that >>> they are superior to aftermarket products. >>> >>> >>> H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either >>> personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes >>> including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. >>> >>> >>> H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and >>> could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to >>> consumers based on the subjective determination of government >>> regulators. >>> DON?T DELAY! Please contact Oregon Speaker Dave Hunt and the >>> House Environment and Water Committee immediately to urge his >>> opposition to H.B. 2186. >>> >>> Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt >>> Phone: 503/986-1440 >>> Email: rep.davehunt at state.or.us >>> >>> Oregon House Environment and Water Committee >>> >>> Representative Ben Cannon ? Chair >>> Phone: 503/986-1446 >>> Email: rep.bencannon at state.or.us >>> >>> Representative Jules Bailey >>> Phone: 503/986-1442 >>> Email: rep.juleskopelbailey at state.or.us >>> >>> Representative Phil Barnhart >>> Phone: 503/986-1411 >>> Email: rep.philbarnhart at state.or.us >>> >>> Representative Cliff Bentz >>> Phone: 503/986-1460 >>> Email: rep.cliffbentz at state.or.us >>> >>> Representative Deborah Boone >>> Phone: 503/986-1432 >>> Email: rep.deborahboone at state.or.us >>> >>> Representative Vic Gilliam >>> Phone: 503/986-1418 >>> Email: rep.vicgilliam at state.or.us >>> >>> Representative Bob Jenson >>> Phone: 503/986-1458 >>> Email: rep.bobjenson at state.or.us >>> >>> Representative Jefferson Smith >>> Phone: 503/986-1447 >>> Email: rep.jeffersonsmith at state.or.us >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> from this web site: >>> >>> http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62515 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Oeva-list mailing list >>> Oeva-list at oeva.org >>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Oeva-list mailing list >>> Oeva-list at oeva.org >>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090212/368fcfc0/attachment-0001.html From Wendy.Marshall at ci.gresham.or.us Thu Feb 12 07:31:28 2009 From: Wendy.Marshall at ci.gresham.or.us (Marshall, Wendy) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:31:28 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] The South In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Those who have always lived in Oregon may not have a grasp of how most Americans think, as Bob and Garry have had a chance to witness. I moved here from Virginia 8 years ago and never looked back. Recycling bin = garbage can. I never once walked to a store. Everyone drives a big redneck truck. MAX is the name of your nephew. I recently sent home a copy of the Gresham Outlook article on my converted Prius. My family (North Carolina) never even responded...they think I have become some Birkenstock-wearin' tree-huggin' hippie freak. I take that as a compliment! We should all stop and take the time to appreciate all the eco-friendly options we are lucky to have in Oregon. wendy -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of oeva-list-request at oeva.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:26 AM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 64, Issue 12 Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list at oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request at oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-owner at oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill (garry painter) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:24:55 -0800 From: garry painter Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon's new AFTERMARKET bill To: OEVA Message-ID: <06DEC9F5-7EA8-4F7C-B4BC-6182B25C9E69 at europa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" .."However, I believe most of the world doesn't care at all"... Bob More often than not, it looks that way. I was down in Alabama a few years ago and noticed there were no sidewalks, no crosswalks, no pedestrian signals at traffic lights. I asked my sister, "Why don't they have sidewalks here?" She said it was because no one walks anywhere. They all drive. About a year ago, my nephew in Texas sent out a family wide email that sounded a bit frantic. It was about the necessity to become self sustaining. In the email, he listed off nearly everything we take for granted, as things we had to do. (recycling, mass transit, bike paths, efficient vehicles, etc, etc.) I thought he was a bit nuts. Why was he telling everyone that we need to do all that, when we are already doing all that? Then it hits you; "He ain't from around these parts" Maybe this new law is aimed at the buying habits of recent immigrants to Oregon, who may not understand how we think here. "Bad Timmy! No you may not put a dual quad manifold with 1500 cfm carburetors on your new Prius!" On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:17 PM, Bob Stewert wrote: > Danilo, > Good answer. However, I believe most of the world doesn't care at > all. I recently was on a drive trip from NYC to N. Carolina. I > saw so much waste, lack of care, garbage on the roads, the air was > filthy. Employees in fast food restaurants, gas stations and > motels gave me puzzled looks when I asked something as simple as > where are the glass/plastic recycling bins. Cigarette butts/trash > all over sidewalks from NYC to small towns. Even some of our > "educated friends" don't care. In Charlotte, NC (a modern city in > the South) I counted 6 Prius cars in 5 days. Here in Portland I > can see 6 Prius' in 6 min. sometimes. > > Just scanning the bill, it seems there are 1000 better ways to > spend the time, money and effort. For example, rather than paying > 5% more for green energy from PGE (like we do), you should have to > pay 5% more for dirty energy. Rather than pay $1 for a can of coke > and then give 5? back for the can, you should have to pay $2 up > front, then get $1 back for the can. It's not worth the 5? to most > people. > > So it seems to me you either have to make the thing financially > attractive, or cram it down your throat with a gov law. Since most > people want the lowest price, you see what's left. I don't think > it will pass. > Bob From roylemeur at hotmail.com Thu Feb 12 18:12:34 2009 From: roylemeur at hotmail.com (Roy LeMeur) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:12:34 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational IV July 24 and July 25 Message-ID: Forwarded from the EVDL Chip Gribben futurev at radix.net wrote: Hello EV Drag Racing Fans!! To accommodate the many vehicle owners who are planning to come out to the biggest Wayland Invitational yet, we have moved the event back to July 24 and 25. This is your personal invite! The "Wayland Invitational IV" electric drag racing EVent will be held at Portland International Raceway (PIR). Come see what electric power is all about as NEDRA (National Electric Drag Racing Association) hosts one of the hottest electric vehicle racing events of the year. Electric vehicles (EV) from the newest production cars including the Tesla and Tango, to 11 second street rides, to all-out drag 7 second bikes and rails will be pushing the EV performance envelope for 1/4 mile acceleration prowess. AUTISM AWARENESS This year's race has a special purpose as well, as NEDRA helps to raise funds for a wonderful, bright young boy with autism. Curtis 'Junior' Cottengim needs a service dog to keep him calm and safe, but at $13,000 it's something this Portland family needs some help with. An optional fee at the gate plus local business and corporate sponsorship can help make this dream a reality. Going green doesn't mean slow, dull, & boring! Join us in cheering on the world's quickest and most powerful tire shredding pure battery powered cars, trucks, and motor cycles as they mix it up with the gassers in two nights of heads up drag racing fun! WHO WILL BE RACING Here is a partial list of who will be attending. 1) Bill Dube and the KillaCycle 2) John Wayland and the infamous White Zombie 3) Eva Hakansson's and her frisky ElectroCat street bike 4) Mike Willmon and his Crazy Horse Pinto 5) Tesla owners with at least 2 Teslas. There could be up to 8 6) Rick Woodbury with Tango 7) Michael Kadie will be bringing his awesome Cobra 2.S.S.I.C 8) Mike Schwartz's Green Tea Model T 9) Ken Koch may bring his fantastic '32 Ford with "Berube Built" dual GE Motors 10) Otmar Ebenhoech's LiIon Insight . . . . and more! EVs ON DISPLAY In addition to EVs racing we will have a variety of EVs on display as well. TRACK INFORMATION Portland International Raceway Gates opens at 6:00 pm both Friday and Saturday There is charging available. PIR will allow us to tap directly into the mains for virtually unlimited charging capability. No generators needed. $8 adult admissions, 6 to 12 free with paid adult. All Racers $22. Gates open at 6pm. Directions to Portland International Raceway- http://www.portlandraceway.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=87 FRIDAY, JULY 24 At the Wayland Juice Bar, folks will be arriving all day and working on race vehicles and socializing until it is time to hustle to the track (opens at 6pm). Please contact John Wayland if you need directions to the Wayland residence- jw at plasmaboyracing.com After the race, gather at the Shari's diner adjacent to the track for a late meal and more socializing. SATURDAY, JULY 25 Brunch/EV display/show-and-tell at the Village Inn at 10301 SE Stark Street, on the corner of SE Stark and SE 103rd Drive in NE Portland. Folks start to gather around 8am. Usually continues till almost lunchtime. All EVs are welcome to be on display at this EVent. After the breakfast, gather at the Wayland Juice Bar, again working on race vehicles and socializing till it is time to hustle to the track (gates open at 6pm). SUNDAY, JULY 26 Some folks usually get together for another breakfast and more talk at the Village Inn on Sunday morning. SEE YOU THERE!!! If you would like to race or bring your EV for display let us know CONTACT: Roy LeMeur Wayland Invitational Chairman roylemeur at hotmail.com 360-528-0468 http://www.nedra.com ~~~~~~ Roy LeMeur _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 From chris.hansen at intel.com Fri Feb 13 10:38:08 2009 From: chris.hansen at intel.com (Hansen, Chris) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:38:08 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Adaptor plate for Ford Escort In-Reply-To: <20090123.184642.5124.0.cheryljardine@juno.com> References: <20090123.184642.5124.0.cheryljardine@juno.com> Message-ID: <435959ED7AEDF04EB5EB69F30857181303280D2EC4@azsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> At the December meeting, someone mentioned to me that they knew someone local that had made adaptor plates for a Ford Escort ('91). Haven't bought the motor yet but am leaning towards the FB1-4001A. Or should I just buy the adaptor kit online? Thanks - Chris From glassphoto at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 12:07:29 2009 From: glassphoto at gmail.com (Micheal Drewry) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:07:29 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] PFC 20 charger configuration question Message-ID: <43e1e6a70902131207r4216883dr206ed8923f04540a@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, it was good to see so many people at last nights meeting. For those of you who have had experience with PFC chargers, can someone help me out? I got my charger installed and it appears to be working but there is one option I have questions about. There is a timer function that turns the charger off after a period of time from 0 (never) to I think around 260 minutes. The manual did not give any recommended time setting. It was set to the first setting for 10 minutes. What are you using? Any other recommendations for using this charger? Thanks for any advice you an offer, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gary Micheal Drewry wrote: > Hi All, it was good to see so many people at last nights meeting. > > For those of you who have had experience with PFC chargers, can someone help > me out? I got my charger installed and it appears to be working but there > is one option I have questions about. There is a timer function that turns > the charger off after a period of time from 0 (never) to I think around 260 > minutes. The manual did not give any recommended time setting. It was set > to the first setting for 10 minutes. What are you using? Any other > recommendations for using this charger? > > Thanks for any advice you an offer, > Mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Feb 13 23:53:20 2009 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:53:20 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] EVs in Road & Track Message-ID: <8c28d7b50902132353o1b9341a1x26a21c0c77a6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> This months Road & Track magazine is out; it features a total BEV'fest with features and videos of the Roadster, RAV4, AC Propulsion eBox, Mitsubishi i MiEV, Wrightspeed X1, MINI-e and Dodge EV Online article at: Road&Track >From PlanetTesla Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090215/9063368f/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 13:55:44 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:55:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Forwarded article about NY postal service Message-ID: <557030.62551.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Here's an editorial article I received that you might be interested in regarding converting postal service vehicles to electric. Cheers, Tim OEVA Chair ----- Forwarded Message ---- Hi Folks: Did you see this New York Times op-ed piece? What did you think? Would you consider mentioning this article or posting a link to the op-ed on the website? http://www.prc.gov/prc-docs/library/refdesk/techpapers/goldway/Plugging%20in%20the%20Postal%20Service%20NYTimes%20Op%20Ed%20RYG%20209.pdf Michael Ravnitzky Special Assistant to Commissioner Ruth Goldway Postal Regulatory Commission 901 New York Avenue N.W. Suite 200 Washington, DC 20268 phone: 202-789-6812 fax: 202-789-6883 email: michael.ravnitzky at prc.gov From cje at hevanet.com Mon Feb 16 06:09:30 2009 From: cje at hevanet.com (cje at hevanet.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:09:30 GMT Subject: [Oeva-list] Forwarded article about NY postal service Message-ID: <200902161409.n1GE9UVs046750@broadway.hevanet.com> And charge the trucks off solar panels on the roof? Like, while they're parked there.. at night? Just sayin'. Curt > Hi All, > > Here's an editorial article I received that you might be interested in regarding converting postal service vehicles to electric. > > Cheers, > Tim > OEVA Chair From patrick0101 at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 10:44:46 2009 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:44:46 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Forwarded article about NY postal service In-Reply-To: <200902161409.n1GE9UVs046750@broadway.hevanet.com> References: <200902161409.n1GE9UVs046750@broadway.hevanet.com> Message-ID: <8c28d7b50902161044h57f132d5q82afb40c42e7ed47@mail.gmail.com> The trucks don't have to be charged on the literal electrons that the PV system makes. In fact, it is better if they don't. The PV system supplies power to the grid during the day (when it needs it most). This helps stabilize the grid and it allows the PV owner to sell power at peak rates. Then by charging at night, EVs use power when there is a surplus. Nighttime also tends to be when it is windiest. So large scale overnight charging would allow for more wind turbine power generation. So even if they could store the power and use it directly in the trucks, I would argue that grid-tied solar powered-EV charging is more of a net benefit. Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:09 AM, wrote: > And charge the trucks off solar panels on the roof? Like, while they're > parked there.. at night? > > Just sayin'. > > Curt > > > > Hi All, > > > > Here's an editorial article I received that you might be interested > in regarding > converting postal service vehicles to electric. > > > > Cheers, > > Tim > > OEVA > Chair > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090216/3bcd4c20/attachment.html From mikalson2002 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 12:45:44 2009 From: mikalson2002 at yahoo.com (Julie Mikalson) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:45:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] (Sale at) EcoMotion Message-ID: <273145.11179.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow, check out the current discounts at EcoMotion.? http://eco-motion.com/en_US/events.asp? ? Perhaps email this one to friends who have been considering it? ? I was discouraged to read the quote in the CS Monitor article saying? EcoMotion thinks they _saturated_ their _market_ early?? Doubt THAT one, very much... IMO, most folks still don't even know they exist. ? Let's help move this inventory...by getting the Link to people leaning that way, and perhaps invite them to meet us for a closer?look.? Tax Preparers might be ?interested also, as they often help Clients plan timin of purchases to take advantage of Rebates and Credits. ? Jules ? 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090218/9bee66ed/attachment.html From cyberdyke_1 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 07:09:19 2009 From: cyberdyke_1 at yahoo.com (Janet Redhawk) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:09:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <56631d070902180446g256690f5ia66e3807c3d7f45a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66951.89112.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I want to ask a couple questions as I'm nearing the start of my conversion. If I went with DC motor for less expensive conversion, how hard would it be to switch to AC later down the road when I had more money? How likely do you think it would be for me to find a "free" used DC motor in the PDX area? How many folks use "used" batteries on their vehicles? How many folks have a "heater" on their batteries for winter driving? thanks J From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 07:45:43 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:45:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Newbie questions References: <66951.89112.qm@web52612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <107323.99161.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Janet, If you switch from a DC to an AC motor, you'd probably have to replace the motor, the controller and the adapter plate but you could keep the batteries if the voltage was high enough for the AC system. AC systems typically require higher voltages (200-300V) to run well, especially for heavier vehicles. The other gotcha is that most controllers for DC motors typically require *lower* voltages (120-156V) at higher current, so you may have some hassles there with batteries too. Regarding a "free" DC motor, you might be able to find a used forklift motor in a local salvage yard, but it may not be powerful enough for your application. As I vaguely recall, you were interested in converting a Jeep or something similar. Forklift motors are powerful, but not fast (ever see a forklift going down the freeway?), so your vehicle might only be good around town. In my opinion, used batteries are much more hassle than they are worth. A used pack is typically unbalanced and doesn't have the capacity that you might be looking for. If you have lots of time and not a lot of money, you might be able to acquire more batteries than you need and analyze each one to pick out the used ones that would work for you. Given all the other things to worry about, I wouldn't do it, but perhaps other folks have some opinions. I've never used a battery heater in either of my conversions, but I do park my vehicle in the garage. Remember, its a learning process. Best wishes with your conversion. Cheers, Tim OEVA Chair ----- Original Message ---- From: Janet Redhawk To: Oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:09:19 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] Newbie questions Hi, I want to ask a couple questions as I'm nearing the start of my conversion. If I went with DC motor for less expensive conversion, how hard would it be to switch to AC later down the road when I had more money? How likely do you think it would be for me to find a "free" used DC motor in the PDX area? How many folks use "used" batteries on their vehicles? How many folks have a "heater" on their batteries for winter driving? thanks J From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Wed Feb 18 08:28:52 2009 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:28:52 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Sweden's McDonald's Restaurants Reveal Plans For EV Charging Station Network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: These stations don't meet our charging requirements and do not meet US Electric codes. European standards for 240 volts are quite different than the US. Rick TMR News and Features Want Fries With That? McDonald's Unveils Plans For EV Charging Stations Feb 19th, 2009 * No comments * Link to Article * by Tony O'Kane [http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/mcdonalds_chargingstation.jpg] Since the invention of the drive thru, fast food and cars have been inextricably linked. However, it appears that Sweden's numerous McDonald's fast food outlets are about to deepen that relationship, with the announcement that several charging stations for electric cars will be set up in restaurant car parks across the country. That's right, while you fuel up on post-mix cola and heaping mounds of saturated fat delicious, delicious burgers, your tree-hugging automobile can munch on a few electrons too. Elforsk, a division of Swedish energy supplier Svensk Energi and the Swedish national grid, will oversee the running of the charging station network while McDonald's will purchase the charging stations themselves. Each station will carry a single and three-phase electrical outlet and supply 230 volts, 16 amps. Charging time for the average plug-in electric vehicle is estimated at between 30-45 minutes - more than enough time to scoff a few half-pounders. 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Hours are: Friday, March 27 Hours: Noon - 9:00 pm Saturday, March 28 Hours: 11:00 am - 9:00 pm Sunday, March 29 Hours 11:00 am - 5:00 pm We would like to have two volunteers for every two hours during the show. Thanks, Paul Burkey Ongoing Events Chair ____________________________________________________________ Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLaWxsUfCU7vgQathJiE0qbpKORZnIIcxPszJCDlkadfVIS5CRBY0/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090218/56a9f622/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 22:15:46 2009 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:15:46 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Need volunteers for the booth at the Better Living Show! In-Reply-To: <20090218.220015.3444.7.paburkey@juno.com> References: <20090218.220015.3444.7.paburkey@juno.com> Message-ID: <8c28d7b50902182215w1d721847q57483efde8f656e5@mail.gmail.com> I'll be there Saturday 4-9. Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Paul A Burkey wrote: > Hi All, > > Need volunteers for the booth at the Better Living Show! > On March 27-29th the OEVA has a booth at the Better Living Show at the > Portland EXPO Center. > Hours are: > * > > Friday, March 27 > > Hours: Noon - 9:00 pm > > Saturday, March 28 > > Hours: 11:00 am - 9:00 pm > > Sunday, March 29 > > Hours 11:00 am - 5:00 pm > > > *We would like to have two volunteers for every two hours during the show. > > Thanks, > Paul Burkey > > Ongoing Events Chair > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nothing like a bunch of concepts based on "new" technology. http://electricandhybridcars.com/index.php/pages/electriccarnews.html Has anyone else heard of this battery? Is it on the market yet? I can't find a source for actual purchase of this battery type. This is just a heads up for you all with potential new tech. Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <499D8937.7010902@notebene.net> I saw this on the net about 6 (or more) years ago. The lack of any real information or availability at the time lead me to thing it was a hoax or (at least) a dead end. But what do I know? :-) --Tony Sean McCann wrote: > "new" battery. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanadium_redox_battery > > "The main advantages of the vanadium redox battery are that it can > offer almost unlimited capacity simply by using larger and larger > storage tanks, *it can be left completely discharged for long periods > with no ill effects*, it can be recharged simply by replacing the > electrolyte if no power source is available to charge it, and if the > electrolytes are accidentally mixed the battery suffers no permanent > damage." > > Pretty interesting. > > It looks like Subaru may be using this battery in it's "Potential" > electric car. Nothing like a bunch of concepts based on "new" > technology. > > http://electricandhybridcars.com/index.php/pages/electriccarnews.html > > Has anyone else heard of this battery? Is it on the market yet? I > can't find a source for actual purchase of this battery type. This is > just a heads up for you all with potential new tech. > > > Sean > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From mark58150 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 08:37:58 2009 From: mark58150 at yahoo.com (Mark Freidberg) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:37:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] I was looking at new EVs being developed and I was drawn toward this... Message-ID: <48262.40928.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Sean, ? An interesting chemistry, but its energy density--the amount?of energy storable per unit weight--is too low to be of much value for on-road EVs. ? Mark ? --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Sean McCann wrote: From: Sean McCann Subject: [Oeva-list] I was looking at new EVs being developed and I was drawn toward this... To: oeva-list at oeva.org Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 8:10 AM "new" battery. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanadium_redox_battery "The main advantages of the vanadium redox battery are that it can offer almost unlimited capacity simply by using larger and larger storage tanks, it can be left completely discharged for long periods with no ill effects, it can be recharged simply by replacing the electrolyte if no power source is available to charge it, and if the electrolytes are accidentally mixed the battery suffers no permanent damage." Pretty interesting. It looks like Subaru may be using this battery in it's "Potential" electric car.? Nothing like a bunch of concepts based on "new" technology. http://electricandhybridcars.com/index.php/pages/electriccarnews.html Has anyone else heard of this battery?? Is it on the market yet?? I can't find a source for actual purchase of this battery type.? This is just a heads up for you all with potential new tech. Sean _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090219/98dcc7d4/attachment-0001.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 08:40:11 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:40:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] I was looking at new EVs being developed and I was drawn toward this... References: Message-ID: <63531.26395.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Sean, It looks like the energy density for the Vanadium Redox battery isn't that great, perhaps causing some issues for EVs that are weight and space sensitive. I've recently been researching lithium-ion batteries and ran into these sobering articles about the lack of lithium supply for a world of electric vehicles. The .PDF paper discusses a possible future with zinc-air batteries. http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/01/30/beyond-peak-oil-are-we-facing-peak-lithium/ http://tyler.blogware.com/lithium_shortage.pdf Cheers, Tim ________________________________ From: Sean McCann To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:10:38 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] I was looking at new EVs being developed and I was drawn toward this... "new" battery. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanadium_redox_battery "The main advantages of the vanadium redox battery are that it can offer almost unlimited capacity simply by using larger and larger storage tanks, it can be left completely discharged for long periods with no ill effects, it can be recharged simply by replacing the electrolyte if no power source is available to charge it, and if the electrolytes are accidentally mixed the battery suffers no permanent damage." Pretty interesting. It looks like Subaru may be using this battery in it's "Potential" electric car. Nothing like a bunch of concepts based on "new" technology. http://electricandhybridcars.com/index.php/pages/electriccarnews.html Has anyone else heard of this battery? Is it on the market yet? I can't find a source for actual purchase of this battery type. This is just a heads up for you all with potential new tech. Sean From chris.hansen at intel.com Thu Feb 19 09:40:35 2009 From: chris.hansen at intel.com (Hansen, Chris) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:40:35 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Warp vs ADC In-Reply-To: <63531.26395.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <63531.26395.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <435959ED7AEDF04EB5EB69F308571813032827B905@azsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Wondering if there are any great reasons to chose a warp9 motor over the somewhat equivalent FB1-4001 ADC? I have read that the mounting is the same so that an adaptor for the ADC will work for a warp9 motor. Correct? Can someone recommend a good warp9 vendor that also can supply the adaptor? Thanks - Chris From gary.graunke at intel.com Thu Feb 19 10:23:22 2009 From: gary.graunke at intel.com (Graunke, Gary) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:23:22 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Warp vs ADC In-Reply-To: <435959ED7AEDF04EB5EB69F308571813032827B905@azsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <63531.26395.qm@web110511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <435959ED7AEDF04EB5EB69F308571813032827B905@azsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E972915E4F1E3@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Mike Brown at www.electroauto.com may have the motor, and, if he does, he probably has the adaptor plate. KTA services may also carry the motor, but the adaptor plate is less likely. Gary -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Hansen, Chris Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:41 AM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Warp vs ADC Wondering if there are any great reasons to chose a warp9 motor over the somewhat equivalent FB1-4001 ADC? I have read that the mounting is the same so that an adaptor for the ADC will work for a warp9 motor. Correct? Can someone recommend a good warp9 vendor that also can supply the adaptor? Thanks - Chris _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From cheryljardine at juno.com Fri Feb 20 09:39:47 2009 From: cheryljardine at juno.com (cheryljardine at juno.com) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:39:47 GMT Subject: [Oeva-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: <20090220.093947.5634.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> I have a 2002 Ford Think for sale for $3500. It is in very good condition and has always been garaged. It has the rain curtain and a new charger, otherwise all original parts. It will need new batteries later this year. call 503-788-9428 it is in SE Portland. Thanks Cheryl ____________________________________________________________ Become a religous scholar today. Click here for more information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOlOyoWtKEmfQzGHYTuyGQiuthMGGuRQ32UGhFOGT2HNlF2Kbm1Dy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090220/54767fc6/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 10:16:25 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:16:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] BP5-12 batteries available for educational use Message-ID: <773408.19642.qm@web110509.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, I recently got a free industrial UPS from a friend full of good BB BP5-12 batteries. I have 50 extra that I'd like to give away to a robotics or EV educational program. This might work for an electric bicycle. Here's a link: http://www.batteryprice.com/bp5-1212v5ahleadacidbattery.aspx If you can convince me that you have an educational use for these, let me know and we can schedule a time for you to pick them up. Please let me know if you can use less than 50 batteries in case I get multiple requests so I can divide up the batch for more educational uses. Thanks! Cheers, Tim OEVA Chair From jdaschel at embarqmail.com Sun Feb 22 11:51:03 2009 From: jdaschel at embarqmail.com (Joanne Daschel) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:51:03 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Earth Day presenter wanted in Lincoln City Message-ID: <015301c99526$e5c9e700$0202a8c0@SonyVAIO> Hello OEVA members, I am a mostly-silent member of this list who owns an EV but is not so knowledgeable on the nuts and bolts as many of you. I was just informed that there will be an Earth Day event (actually April 18 since that's the closest Saturday) in our town, with the theme this year on "alternative transportation." This event is held annually, sponsored by the city and several agencies like the watershed improvement council. One year we had a fellow speak on biodiesel from Green Eye Autos in Eugene, who was very interesting... but no one talked about EVs! This year we volunteered to bring our 1980 Electravan, but they are still looking for a presenter on electric vehicles, and might offer space for an informational display. If any of you have a presentation you would be willing to do for this event, please let me know and I can put you in touch with the organizers for more specific information. Thanks in advance, Joanne Daschel Lincoln City OR jdaschel at embarqmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090222/94cd1f66/attachment.html From frodus17 at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 14:18:07 2009 From: frodus17 at gmail.com (Travis Gintz) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:18:07 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Tyco Kilovac Contactors - EV200 Message-ID: I figured I'd ask anyone on the list locally if they're interested in going in on some of the EV200 contactors on ebay. If we get 5 contactors, they're 54 a piece, if we get 10 they're 49.50, if we get 25, they're 36 each. Onesie twosie they're $63. I don't want to profit, just pay what I pay, we're just saving by doing a group buy. Shipping is free. I know Bob Simpson wants a few, but I figured we'd ask. I can bring them to the next meeting. These have the economizer. Good for voltages on the contacts of 12-900V, 500A continuous, 2000A break, 1.7W holding current at 12V, and no back EMF (no diode needed). datasheet: http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/datasheets/ev200.pdf Let me know, we want to order some this week. At this price, they'd be good to have a few extra. -- Travis Gintz 1986 Honda VFR DC conversion Http://blog.evfr.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090222/673eaf68/attachment.html From 101.travel at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 21:37:47 2009 From: 101.travel at gmail.com (.) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:37:47 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] MOTOR SIZE Message-ID: <56631d070902222137p6aa6df1fsbbcb3991a11e88cb@mail.gmail.com> Want to ask the experts in our group I have a choice of 3 engines which one would be the best one for a smart size car 2 SEATER 48V 4KW DC MOTOR 72V 6.5KW AC MOTOR 120V 8.5KW AC MOTOR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090222/dc7d6dea/attachment.html From frodus17 at gmail.com Sun Feb 22 21:37:51 2009 From: frodus17 at gmail.com (Travis Gintz) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:37:51 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Tyco Kilovac Contactors - EV200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh yeah, since its local, cash, check at the meeting or paypal in advance. Total right now: 5 On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Travis Gintz wrote: > I figured I'd ask anyone on the list locally if they're interested in going > in on some of the EV200 contactors on ebay. > If we get 5 contactors, they're 54 a piece, if we get 10 they're 49.50, if > we get 25, they're 36 each. Onesie twosie they're $63. I don't want to > profit, just pay what I pay, we're just saving by doing a group buy. > Shipping is free. > > I know Bob Simpson wants a few, but I figured we'd ask. I can bring them to > the next meeting. > > > These have the economizer. Good for voltages on the contacts of 12-900V, > 500A continuous, 2000A break, 1.7W holding current at 12V, and no back EMF > (no diode needed). > > datasheet: > http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/datasheets/ev200.pdf > > Let me know, we want to order some this week. At this price, they'd be good > to have a few extra. > > -- > Travis Gintz > 1986 Honda VFR DC conversion > Http://blog.evfr.net/ > -- Travis Gintz 1986 Honda VFR DC conversion Http://blog.evfr.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090222/417042ba/attachment.html From gary at whitecape.org Sun Feb 22 22:14:16 2009 From: gary at whitecape.org (Gary Graunke) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:14:16 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] MOTOR SIZE In-Reply-To: <56631d070902222137p6aa6df1fsbbcb3991a11e88cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <56631d070902222137p6aa6df1fsbbcb3991a11e88cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A23EB8.6060502@whitecape.org> These all seem way too small. My Honda Insight weights 1800 lbs, and uses an average (not peak) 10KW (14 HP) to go at freeway speeds. You may need use proportionally less if the smart car is lighter, but then again you may want to go up a hill or accelerate! The peak rating on my motor is 26.2 KW, or 37 HP. Unless you want to be an NEV, you should have considerably more power to move with traffic and go up hills. Gary . wrote: > Want to ask the experts in our group > > I have a choice of 3 engines which one would be the best one for a smart > size car 2 SEATER > 48V 4KW DC MOTOR > > 72V 6.5KW AC MOTOR > > 120V 8.5KW AC MOTOR > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From tony at notebene.net Mon Feb 23 12:39:02 2009 From: tony at notebene.net (Tony) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:39:02 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] MOTOR SIZE In-Reply-To: <49A23EB8.6060502@whitecape.org> References: <56631d070902222137p6aa6df1fsbbcb3991a11e88cb@mail.gmail.com> <49A23EB8.6060502@whitecape.org> Message-ID: <49A30966.3040307@notebene.net> I ran my 2200 lb Renault on a 48Volt Prestolite at 102V at freeway speeds for years, I did not try and climb Sylvan hill with that however. I *did* burn that motor up and replace it with a 7in ADC 72 Volt and it runs great on 120Volts. --Tony Gary Graunke wrote: > These all seem way too small. > > My Honda Insight weights 1800 lbs, and uses an average (not peak) 10KW > (14 HP) to go at freeway speeds. You may need use proportionally less if > the smart car is lighter, but then again you may want to go up a hill or > accelerate! > > The peak rating on my motor is 26.2 KW, or 37 HP. > > Unless you want to be an NEV, you should have considerably more power to > move with traffic and go up hills. > > Gary > > > . wrote: > >> Want to ask the experts in our group >> >> I have a choice of 3 engines which one would be the best one for a smart >> size car 2 SEATER >> 48V 4KW DC MOTOR >> >> 72V 6.5KW AC MOTOR >> >> 120V 8.5KW AC MOTOR >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Mon Feb 23 12:45:47 2009 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:45:47 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan EV News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From the Chattanooga Times. ________________________________ Tuesday, Feb. 17, 2009 , 12:00 a.m. Nissan to launch electric car inTennessee [http://media.timesfreepress.com/img/staff/2007/Mike-Pare-photo.jpg] By: Mike Pare A top Nissan official in the U.S. said Monday that Tennessee is one of the first locations where it will sell its new all-electric car after it arrives in late 2010. Also, the company eventually would like to make the car and its batteries in Smyrna, Tenn., and the Chattanooga area is in line for electric refueling infrastructure for the new vehicle, said Mark Perry, director of product planning and strategy for Nissan North America. "Tennessee will be a launch market," said Mr. Perry, additionally mentioning Oregon and Sonoma County, Calif. The car will seat five and be in the size range of a Sentra or Versa, he told the Chattanooga Engineers Club. "It will have 100 miles of pure battery range," Mr. Perry said. He said Toyota's 2010 Prius hybrid electric gets about 10 miles range on pure battery, while the planned Chevy Volt will get 40. Mr. Perry said the Nissan, running on a lithium ion battery pack, won't be a test model. "We're ready to go mass production and mass sales," he said. The Nissan official said that while the cost for a conventional vehicle of similar size may range from $28,000 to $30,000, the federal government is offering a tax credit of up to $7,500 on the electric. There also will be other steps to lower the buyer's initial costs. He said maintenance costs will be about $1,350 lower annually for the pure electric vehicle than a conventional car. "The pay back is immediate," Mr. Perry said. He estimated the cost to "fill the tank" in the Tennessee Valley at about 90 cents, and it will take about four to eight hours to do so at a residence. Mr. Perry said plans are to get that time frame down to four hours in 2012. Jim Frierson, who directs the Advanced Transportation Technology Institute in Chattanooga, said Nissan's plans are "music to our ears." He said the drive for putting electric vehicles on the road is "the space race of the decade." In terms of recharging infrastructure, plans are to start in the Nashville-Murfreesboro-Franklin area. Nissan's USA headquarters are located in Franklin. Then, plans are to gain infrastructure in Knoxville and Chattanooga and eventually into North Carolina, Mr. Perry said. While the car will be made in Japan at first, Mr. Perry said the company likes to produce vehicles where they're purchased. http://timesfreepress.com/news/2009/feb/17/nissan-launch-electric-car-tennessee/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090223/1d94fcf5/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't want to >> profit, just pay what I pay, we're just saving by doing a group buy. >> Shipping is free. >> >> I know Bob Simpson wants a few, but I figured we'd ask. I can bring them >> to the next meeting. >> > >> >> These have the economizer. Good for voltages on the contacts of 12-900V, >> 500A continuous, 2000A break, 1.7W holding current at 12V, and no back EMF >> (no diode needed). >> >> datasheet: >> http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/datasheets/ev200.pdf >> >> Let me know, we want to order some this week. At this price, they'd be >> good to have a few extra. >> >> -- >> Travis Gintz >> 1986 Honda VFR DC conversion >> Http://blog.evfr.net/ >> > > > > -- > Travis Gintz > 1986 Honda VFR DC conversion > Http://blog.evfr.net/ > -- Travis Gintz 1986 Honda VFR DC conversion Http://blog.evfr.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Travis Gintz wrote: I figured I'd ask anyone on the list locally if they're interested in >> going in on some of the EV200 contactors on ebay. >> If we get 5 contactors, they're 54 a piece, if we get 10 they're 49.50, if >> we get 25, they're 36 each. Onesie twosie they're $63. I don't want to >> profit, just pay what I pay, we're just saving by doing a group buy. >> Shipping is free. **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090224/7c73e44c/attachment.html From glassphoto at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 13:58:44 2009 From: glassphoto at gmail.com (Micheal Drewry) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:58:44 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Tyco Kilovac Contactors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43e1e6a70902241358ye2e5a0arc69a51dbbee4ec7b@mail.gmail.com> At that price you could count me in for 2 for sure. Mike Drewry On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:55 PM, wrote: > Hello Travis > > If we can get the price down to 36.00 dollars each I would buy 10 or 12. I > don't need that many but this should get us a group buy price. > > Don > > In a message dated 2/24/2009 12:00:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: > > 1. Re: Tyco Kilovac Contactors - EV200 (Travis Gintz) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:24:15 -0800 > From: Travis Gintz > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Tyco Kilovac Contactors - EV200 > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > So far we've got 7, plus some maybe's > > I'm putting the drop dead date for this at Thursday Feb 26th (so I can get > them shipped friday). > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Travis Gintz wrote: > > I figured I'd ask anyone on the list locally if they're interested in > >> going in on some of the EV200 contactors on ebay. > >> If we get 5 contactors, they're 54 a piece, if we get 10 they're 49.50, > if > >> we get 25, they're 36 each. Onesie twosie they're $63. I don't want to > >> profit, just pay what I pay, we're just saving by doing a group buy. > >> Shipping is free. > > > ------------------------------ > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your > neighborhood today > . > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090224/48f4571a/attachment.html From tony at notebene.net Wed Feb 25 01:14:26 2009 From: tony at notebene.net (Tony) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:14:26 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] MOTOR SIZE In-Reply-To: <56631d070902242317g7379cc75s47589379ddd58a9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <56631d070902222137p6aa6df1fsbbcb3991a11e88cb@mail.gmail.com> <49A23EB8.6060502@whitecape.org> <49A30966.3040307@notebene.net> <56631d070902242317g7379cc75s47589379ddd58a9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A50BF2.3080703@notebene.net> From 30-40 depending on temp, etc. I never needed more than about 15 miles due to being able to charge at work. --Tony . wrote: > Tony what type of range do you get with the 72v motor running it at 120v > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Tony > wrote: > > I ran my 2200 lb Renault on a 48Volt Prestolite at 102V at freeway > speeds for years, I did not try and climb Sylvan hill with that > however. I *did* burn that motor up and replace it with a 7in ADC 72 > Volt and it runs great on 120Volts. > --Tony > > Gary Graunke wrote: > > These all seem way too small. > > > > My Honda Insight weights 1800 lbs, and uses an average (not > peak) 10KW > > (14 HP) to go at freeway speeds. You may need use proportionally > less if > > the smart car is lighter, but then again you may want to go up a > hill or > > accelerate! > > > > The peak rating on my motor is 26.2 KW, or 37 HP. > > > > Unless you want to be an NEV, you should have considerably more > power to > > move with traffic and go up hills. > > > > Gary > > > > > > . wrote: > > > >> Want to ask the experts in our group > >> > >> I have a choice of 3 engines which one would be the best one > for a smart > >> size car 2 SEATER > >> 48V 4KW DC MOTOR > >> > >> 72V 6.5KW AC MOTOR > >> > >> 120V 8.5KW AC MOTOR > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Oeva-list mailing list > >> Oeva-list at oeva.org > >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > -- > WE WANT TO PUT AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE IN YOUR DRIVWAY THIS YEAR > http://101travel.tripod.com/ From Theoldcars at aol.com Wed Feb 25 21:37:05 2009 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:37:05 EST Subject: [Oeva-list] Tyco Kilovac Contactors Message-ID: I wanted to let anyone who might be interested know I went ahead and bought them. They are 34 dollars each and the shipping was free. This was a great deal found by Travis. I wanted to give a big thank you to Travis for putting this information out. So if you want them you can contact either Travis or Don. It sounds like they might be in late next week. If my business is convenient for you could pick up there or at the next OEVA meeting. I believe Travis will be at the OEVA meeting and I might make it as well. Here is the shop information. West Hills Collision Center 8300 SW Barbur Blvd. Portland, Oregon 97219 Monday-Friday 7:30 to 5:30 Ask for Don Blazer. In a message dated 2/24/2009 12:00:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list at oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request at oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-owner at oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tyco Kilovac Contactors - EV200 (Travis Gintz) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:24:15 -0800 From: Travis Gintz Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Tyco Kilovac Contactors - EV200 To: oeva-list at oeva.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So far we've got 7, plus some maybe's I'm putting the drop dead date for this at Thursday Feb 26th (so I can get them shipped friday). On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Travis Gintz wrote: > Oh yeah, since its local, cash, check at the meeting or paypal in advance. > > Total right now: 5 > > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Travis Gintz wrote: > >> I figured I'd ask anyone on the list locally if they're interested in >> going in on some of the EV200 contactors on ebay. >> If we get 5 contactors, they're 54 a piece, if we get 10 they're 49.50, if >> we get 25, they're 36 each. Onesie twosie they're $63. I don't want to >> profit, just pay what I pay, we're just saving by doing a group buy. >> Shipping is free. >> >> I know Bob Simpson wants a few, but I figured we'd ask. I can bring them >> to the next meeting. >> > >> >> These have the economizer. Good for voltages on the contacts of 12-900V, >> 500A continuous, 2000A break, 1.7W holding current at 12V, and no back EMF >> (no diode needed). >> >> datasheet: >> http://relays.tycoelectronics.com/datasheets/ev200.pdf >> >> Let me know, we want to order some this week. At this price, they'd be >> good to have a few extra. >> >> -- >> Travis Gintz >> 1986 Honda VFR DC conversion >> Http://blog.evfr.net/ **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090226/4b3997df/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 23:53:17 2009 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:53:17 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Electrathon, March 7th Message-ID: <8c28d7b50902252353r2998ef28if5e5b148aae7495f@mail.gmail.com> http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2009/02/mt_hood_will_host_electric_car.html Next month, Mt. Hood Community College is hosting a slightly unusual car race. Electrathon America is a race, all right, but the event won't include any engine cranking. Instead, racers will speed around the track using small electric cars. ...competition starts at 11 a.m., March 7, but you can get there early to watch the practice rounds. They start at 9 a.m. Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090225/9631a587/attachment.html From mark58150 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 16:40:53 2009 From: mark58150 at yahoo.com (Mark Freidberg) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:40:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Contact Info Request Message-ID: <583567.2509.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone with contact info. for Lon Gillis who spoke briefly at the January monthly meeting, please?email me offlist. Thanks. ? Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090226/cf814f4c/attachment.html From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 23:28:05 2009 From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:28:05 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: earth day EV demonstration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83b7b17c0902282328j3ec4c27emf3fc4696ceda11dc@mail.gmail.com> Would anyone in the group be willing to have an EV available for an EWEB event on Earth Day in Eugene? Please see the email below and contact Jeanine. Jeff Kim President & Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Office (503) 892-7345 Mobile (503) 686-8844 Fax (503) 802-7347 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: PARISI Jeannine Date: Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:31 PM Subject: earth day EV demonstration To: "jkim at shorepower.com" Hi Jeff, As I mentioned to you at the Governor's Task Team meeting, I was interested in setting up a demo course in one of the EWEB parking lots to show off some EVs. Didn't hear back from the events coordinator at the association - do you have any other contacts I could try (maybe closer to Eugene?) Thanks for your help, Jeannine (541) 684-5814 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090228/160f6a38/attachment.html