From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 21:07:51 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:07:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: solar powered car in China Message-ID: <171160.9133.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Here's an article I received from the contact's page. Not sure if the car is crashworthy, but I like the price :) Cheers, Tim ----- Forwarded Message ---- Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 4:36:08 PM Subject: Contact Request from OEVA website A friend of alternative energy (nojh at hotmail.com) has sent you (office: chair) the following feedback from the OEVA website: BELIEVE IT OR NOT a solar powered car is on sale in China. Shown at the 29th (!) Zhejiang International Bicycles and Electric-powered Cars Exhibition in Hangzhou, eastern China, the vehicle is a cheap and dirty clean way to get around. According to an engineer, the solar cells can absorb 95 percent of the solar energy coming in, although they can only convert 14 to 17 percent into electricity to recharge the batteries. Recharging time? About 30 hours to get the maximum 150 km (90 mi) range. However, if you're in a hurry, you can always get energy for 5 km in just one hour. Around 10 units have been produced thus far by Zhejiang 001 Group. The sticker price is quite a bargain for a solar NEV: 38,000 yuan (US$5,560). If you think this car is familiar, that's because it looks like a Chery QQ (which is itself a Daewoo Matiz clone) that was made into an electric model by DianZi. More information available in today's Huffington Post Newspaper online at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/solar-powered-cars-on-sal_n_135338.html From chris.hansen at intel.com Mon Mar 2 10:27:41 2009 From: chris.hansen at intel.com (Hansen, Chris) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:27:41 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV battery supplier in OR In-Reply-To: <171160.9133.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <171160.9133.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <435959ED7AEDF04EB5EB69F308571813032858AA96@azsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> Are there any EV battery suppliers here in OR/PDX for an on-street conversion. I'm talking about 100Ahr+ 12V or 6V batteries. Haven't decided on flooded or AGM yet, but am designing for a 120V system. From nickgaladay at msn.com Mon Mar 2 13:47:52 2009 From: nickgaladay at msn.com (Nick) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:47:52 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Bad Boy Buggy Message-ID: Does anyone know anything about the Bad Boy Buggy made in Mississippi? I could just visit Green Car Co. in Bellevue to test one but I'd like to save the drive up there. It's a 4wd electric golf cart designed for hunting and other slow motion ATV types of uses. Nick Galaday Vernonia, OR 97064 Energy conservation-- saves more than energy! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090302/46847305/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ford made 7500 of these electric cars in 2001-2 and then sold the company back to Norway, where they still are manufactured. It goes 26 miles per hour (there is a speed controller which can be reset so that it can go 37 mph). It has six batteries and can go 25 miles per charge with good batteries. My batteries need to be replaced in the near future and it currently goes 10-12 miles on a charge. The new batteries will cost -1800. It is registered in Oregon with tags that are good till 8/09. It has all the original equipment except for a new charger. It shows 2200 miles now but was used previously as a golf cart in a gated community and the former owner said he drove it back and forth to the golf course 2 times a week for a total of 7 miles each trip, for 4 years. It plugs into any standard outlet. I had it trailered up here from California for $300 extra and put a rain cover on it which cost $500. Everything is in good shape in the car. There was a crack in the fiberglass fender when I bought it which you cannot see. There is also a scratch on one rear fender and a small cut in the passenger seat which was repaired. Please call me at 503-788-9428 so we can make a time for you to see it. It has been examined by an electric car mechanic and there are no problems. > It is licensed and registered in Oregon and is legal on any road posted 35 or less as the speed limit. It has seat belts, turn signals, lights front and rear, mirror, all the things that it needs to be legal. Have fun driving again. Some Specs: - charges on 110 volt - curb weight = 1,400 lbs - overall length = 114 inches - overall width = 57 inches- overall height = 68 inches (minivan height) - wheelbase = 78 inches - maintenance free gel batteries Spare Parts readily available, CHECK ON EBAY MOTORS TO FIND THESE FOR $5-8000 AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR SHIPPING - IT IS ALREADY HERE. 503-788-9428 You may notice on tthe ebay listings that they list very low or no miles. Actually they should be saying unknown miles. The dash has an instrument called the Cluster which shows the miles. If you push a button on the cluster the miles are reset to zero. If you put in a new cluster the miles are shown as zero. On my car I know what the miles really are. Also, the more you use the car and then plug it in when not used, the longer the batteries last. you can see pictures on portland craigslist ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMPaEkcBPjMOBDwyp1QezNhuU9LHV5pYyo4H01zIXr8eWTFooDEPm/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090303/c8232773/attachment-0001.html From carladamaris at spiritone.com Tue Mar 3 11:23:30 2009 From: carladamaris at spiritone.com (Carla Grant) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:23:30 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] for thinkNEV $3300 firm Message-ID: <706A026C-B9F4-4860-8433-9F0CC08F25E5@spiritone.com> You know of an electric car mechanic? Do tell. From patrick0101 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 16:53:07 2009 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:53:07 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] 32.7 Million Electric Cars by 2015 Message-ID: <8c28d7b50903031653h1b5464b8q9c96f4f787d98d82@mail.gmail.com> Happy Square Root Day > 32.7 Million Electric Cars by 2015 - 3/3/09 > > A new report called ?Worldwide Nanotechnology Electric Vehicle Market > Shares Strategies and Forecasts? has been put out by Electronic.ca > Publications, the electronic industry market research and knowledge network. > > Electric vehicles will represent a shift in the vehicle market. Car > companies positioning themselves to this market will likely succeed. Others > who only want to modify existing designs to electric vehicles will not be as > successful. > In 2008 there were 685 electric vehicles on the market and the report > suggested it will reach 32.7 million by 2015 due to the growing demand for > electric vehicles. Lithium battery technology advanced with cell phone and > PC demand will provide the technology for powering electric vehicles. > > Nanotechnology thin film lithium-ion batteries should grow fast due to > their ability to deliver power more efficiently. The development of thin > film lithium-battery technology will help the future of electric cars. > Unlike other batteries, thin film solid-state batteries show very high cycle > life. Thin cathodes batteries have been cycled over 45,000 times with very > limited loss in capacity retaining 95% of its original capacity according to > the report. > > Via http://www.beyondfossilfuel.com/electric/2015_030309.html > This report is obviously very optimistic about xEV adoption. But even if they are only half right, that is a lot of plug-in cars by 2015. Regards, Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are others who merely try to migrate existing styles and designs to electric vehicles. Buggy whips come to mind." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090304/8cc09901/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 10:35:18 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:35:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA Monthly Meeting - March 12th - Sign up for Better Living Show Message-ID: <682601.57041.qm@web110514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello OEVA folks, It's time for another monthly meeting next Thursday, March 12th. Everyone, member or not, is welcome to attend our meetings. We'll gather as usual at 7:00PM for show-and-tell of EVs and start the meeting at 7:30PM. We meet at Two World Trade Center at 1st and Salmon in SW Portland. The courtyard will be open to display vehicles and provide some charging. The street-side charging will also be available just across 1st Ave. The Better Living Show is coming up quickly on March 27-29. PLEASE SIGN UP TO ATTEND THE TABLE. We'll have sign-up sheets at the meeting for all three days. Please sign up for a two-hour slot or more so we can all participate in sharing how wonderful electric vehicles are! Hours for the show are at http://www.betterlivingshow.org Gary Graunke has graciously offered to present his EV101 lecture at this meeting. Agenda for the general meeting: 7:30 - Welcome new people (logistics like membership, T-shirts, flyers, e-mail list) - Announcements (sign up for Better Living Show) - Review past EVents and upcoming EVents - EV 101 Presentation by Gary Graunke - Updates on member EV projects 9:00 - End the meeting so we can get home or look more at EVs Please feel free to bring information, questions and vehicles! Non-OEVA-members are welcome to attend! Cheers, Tim Kutscha OEVA Chair From cheryljardine at juno.com Thu Mar 5 15:55:24 2009 From: cheryljardine at juno.com (Cheryl M Jardine) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:55:24 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] fird think has been sold Message-ID: <20090305.155525.5608.1.cheryljardine@juno.com> ford think has been sold. cheryl ____________________________________________________________ Find success and happiness with drug and alcohol rehabilitation. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTJWRXJMTEiCTDUJsxWgIEpIr5YB08RmtO0dIBtyT1uOqCuSSb0mha/ From sunpower at clearwire.net Thu Mar 5 17:08:16 2009 From: sunpower at clearwire.net (Patrick) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:08:16 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] electric conversion for sale References: <56631d070902180446g256690f5ia66e3807c3d7f45a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005a01c99df8$09906cc0$0401a8c0@cavebox> I have a 1981 Plymouth Horizon built by Jet Industries in the earlu 80's. It has the original controler by GE, 120 volt pack (20-6volt ) I replaced the original GE motor with a 9" advanced DC . It has a ceramic heater that works as well as a gas heater that doesn't. I need a 9" motor for another project. If anyone is interested I'm Pat Box and I line in Medford. ----- Original Message ----- From: . To: Oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:46 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] electric conversion for sale Do we have any members that want to sell there converted vehicle ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition, it ensures that Oregon will be able to reduce global warming pollution from the transportation sector while accommodating future growth. If you want to support the bill you can Ask Your Legislator to Support the Jobs and Transportation Act by clicking here: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/587/t/8265/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=651 You can read the text of the bill here: http://www.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measpdf/hb2100.dir/hb2120.intro.pdf Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm working on recurting a team in the Central Point, Medford,Phoenix, Talent, and Ashland area. Im wondering if there are any other members down here that might be Interested. Patrick Box -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090308/b902e02e/attachment.html From sunpower at clearwire.net Sun Mar 8 23:05:37 2009 From: sunpower at clearwire.net (Patrick) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:05:37 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Shunt Motor Message-ID: <001e01c9a07d$1325cb90$0401a8c0@cavebox> Does anyone have an 8" or 9" shunt wound motor? I need some rejen braking. Patrick Box -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090308/94e15a99/attachment.html From paburkey at juno.com Tue Mar 10 07:28:11 2009 From: paburkey at juno.com (Paul A Burkey) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:28:11 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Help at the Better Living Show Message-ID: <20090310.085244.1564.8.paburkey@juno.com> Hi, Need volunteers for the booth at the Better Living Show! On March 27-29th the OEVA has a booth at the Better Living Show at the Portland EXPO Center. Hours are: Friday, March 27 Hours: Noon - 9:00 pm Saturday, March 28 Hours: 11:00 am - 9:00 pm Sunday, March 29 Hours 11:00 am - 5:00 pm We would like to have two volunteers for every two hours during the show. Those that have volunteered to help at the Better Living Show and times are below: Friday March 27th Tim Kutscha all day William Price Noon Fri - 5PM Tony Tyler any time 101.travel at gmail.com some time each day Saturday March 28th Paul Burkey 11 AM to 3 PM Daniel Eyk after 10 AM Pat 4PM - 9PM Jeff Kim? Tony Tyler any time 101.travel at gmail.com some time each day Sunday March 29th Gary Graunke William Price Tony Tyler any time 101.travel at gmail.com some time each day Thank you, Paul Burkey Ongoing Events Chair ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmTrGY7FPqdYfF6N3ywA08wwwEpj3rHwIm4PGdZCcyLzATUp5Y0/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090310/8eff1dea/attachment.html From Theoldcars at aol.com Wed Mar 11 17:00:45 2009 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:00:45 EDT Subject: [Oeva-list] EV200 Contactors Message-ID: I have had a few people come by and pick these up and that is still doable. I was wondering if anyone wanted them and was going to be at the meeting? Personal check or cash 34 dollars for each one. Let me know and either myself or Travis will be there. Just need to know the number to bring. Don Blazer West Hills collision center 8300 SW Barbur Blvd. Portland, Oregon 97219 **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090311/c0116d09/attachment.html From oeva_treas at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 12:41:11 2009 From: oeva_treas at yahoo.com (Ray Blackburn) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Last nights meeting. Message-ID: <966372.21820.qm@web111107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> That was a very interesting presentation from Gary Graunke at last nights meeting.? It helped me alot as I don't know much about EV's and how they work. ? I have some questions. ? I was wanting to recap some of the info.? Is there a website that might point out the basics in the slide presentation? ? The Tesla you drove, did it have adjustable regen braking?? Is adjustable regen braking advisable on AC conversions?? Perhaps the Tesla regen braking is tied to how much brake is applied if it does not have an adjustment? ? If you get 10% extended range out of regen braking does it take 10% off your engine life?? What takes place in the AC?electric motor to make it go from producing power to the wheels to producing power to the pack during the regen braking process?? Sorry if you covered this and I missed it.? A few members needed to pay dues during your presentation. ? ? Comments from the people who developed and built my car about lithium batteries.? Do they sound right? ? If not using the car, the batteries should be stored at 75%. ? The batteries have 1,500 cycles if discharched 100 miles.? 2,500 cycles if discharched 50 miles on average. ? Do not leave the batteries at the 40% level for more than a day. ? When charging at 220? the Battery Management Screen should be charging cells with in? 2 thousandths Volts.? If the cells are not charging within 2 thousandths and are 10 thousandths apart the car should be unplugged and charged with 110. ? If the car is being stored and the power switches shut off the batteries can completely freeze and it will not harm them.? For use after freezing they recommend waiting while the battery warmers bring the batteries up to operating tempature. ? The voltage on any cell?should not go below 2.5 volts. ? When the BMS screen reads 0 miles left for range I still have approx. 20% of the pack left. ? The part of the presentation?about 33 KWh = 1 gal of gas was interesting as I calculate I am getting 100 miles to the gallon with my 35 KWh pack.? Also that regen breaking does take more life off the engine.? I went to Mr Kraunke's website http://ev.whitecape.org/?and saw how he deshelled those Dewalt batteries and preped them for use in the Insight EV,?that was pretty neat.? Thanks again Mr Kraunke. Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090313/3992b9dc/attachment.html From william.norris-york at intel.com Sat Mar 14 11:29:41 2009 From: william.norris-york at intel.com (Norris-York, William) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:29:41 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Question about advancing a NetGain motor Message-ID: <4911F71203A09E4D9981D27F9D83085814F8A2E1@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> If I am looking at the face of the drive end of the motor, and the motor turns counterclockwise when facing it like that, do I advance to the CCWDE mark or the CWDE mark? I am assuming the CCWDE (Counter Clockwise Drive End) mark but I want to make sure that if I am looking at the face of the drive end, that is the right way to face it to determine if the motor is turning counter clockwise or clockwise. Thanks, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090314/94a0376a/attachment.html From richardturnock at comcast.net Sat Mar 14 12:53:19 2009 From: richardturnock at comcast.net (Richard Turnock) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:53:19 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] kWh to gallons of gasoline Message-ID: <13E78AA0129248D69C064DF32F647BCD@RichardPC> http://www.e-grp.com/Resources/Conversion_Table/Conversion_Table.html 1 million BTU = 8 gallons of gasoline 10,000 BTU = 2.93 kWh Divide BTU by BTU, multiply by 2.93 and divide by 8 36.6 kWh = 1 gallon of gasoline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090314/6f8492dc/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 13:03:41 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Question about advancing a NetGain motor References: <4911F71203A09E4D9981D27F9D83085814F8A2E1@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <30962.56473.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Bill, Here's a link to a blog entry I made for rotating the brushes on a Netgain Warp9 motor. My motor had to turn CW(clockwise) from the drive end, so make sure things are lining up with the OTHER markings than those shown in the drawing. Most Netgain motors are shipped configured for CCW (counter-clockwise) advance. Let me know if you have questions. http://civic-ev.blogspot.com/2008/08/rotating-brushes-on-warp9-motor.html Cheers, Tim ________________________________ From: "Norris-York, William" To: "oeva-list at oeva.org" Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:29:41 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] Question about advancing a NetGain motor If I am looking at the face of the drive end of the motor, and the motor turns counterclockwise when facing it like that, do I advance to the CCWDE mark or the CWDE mark? I am assuming the CCWDE (Counter Clockwise Drive End) mark but I want to make sure that if I am looking at the face of the drive end, that is the right way to face it to determine if the motor is turning counter clockwise or clockwise. Thanks, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Australia Beijing Berlin Canada Germany Hawaii Indianapolis Ireland Israel Japan (2) New Zealand Norway Portugal Oregon San Jose Switzerland Texas 28 US States Have Charging System Sales Office Regards, Pat If you drive like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090315/fac055e5/attachment.html From philnlynn at comcast.net Sun Mar 15 23:08:33 2009 From: philnlynn at comcast.net (philnlynn at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Oeva-list] It is finished Message-ID: <791620302.9100771237183713528.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I have been following these pages for the past 2 years. You all have been very helpful and informative. I never had had anything to contribute but now after 21 months, I finished my electric motorcycle. Friday I drove it to school and ran some errands. After 11 miles if ran out of battery and I stopped at a garage sale to "borrow" some electricity. 20 minutes later I had enough for the trip home. The range should improve after the batteries have been cycled a few times. There are picture and the story of how it was put together at the Austin EV websight. http://www.evalbum.com/2487 Thanks for your all your help and encouragement. Phil Baus Vancouver, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090316/629b73aa/attachment.html From pkollas at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 13:05:57 2009 From: pkollas at comcast.net (Philip Kollas) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:05:57 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] MIT research: Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries Message-ID: Did anyone else hear the NPR Science Friday broadcast on 3-13-09, in which an MIT professor of materials & engineering talked about their discovery? He said they had found that tweaking lithium with iron phosphate (iron phosphate being the same material that battery giant BYD is now going with for their rechargeable cars) made for a much-quicker recharge time as well as greater acceleration. The recharge time went from hours down to about a minute. If this is true and the new material can be incorporated into an affordable technology for EV batteries, it seems we would have overcome one of the common objections to EVs (lengthy recharge time). Thanks, Philip Kollas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090316/14e3c622/attachment.html From gary.graunke at intel.com Mon Mar 16 14:04:21 2009 From: gary.graunke at intel.com (Graunke, Gary) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:04:21 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] MIT research: Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729164C5097@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> My A123 cells *already* can charge in 15 minutes, per manufacturers recommendations for fast charge (the slow charge is 45 minutes). The only issue is getting a 40KW charger to charge them. This has the same service as my entire house (200A). And if I put in 4 more batteries (adding to the 6 I have already) to get to 100 mile range, I would need more like 56KW. So the batteries already can handle level 3 charging, but the level 3 is a bit further down the road. Gary ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Philip Kollas Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:06 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] MIT research: Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries Did anyone else hear the NPR Science Friday broadcast on 3-13-09, in which an MIT professor of materials & engineering talked about their discovery? He said they had found that tweaking lithium with iron phosphate (iron phosphate being the same material that battery giant BYD is now going with for their rechargeable cars) made for a much-quicker recharge time as well as greater acceleration. The recharge time went from hours down to about a minute. If this is true and the new material can be incorporated into an affordable technology for EV batteries, it seems we would have overcome one of the common objections to EVs (lengthy recharge time). Thanks, Philip Kollas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090316/88336a73/attachment.html From AlphaWaveE at aol.com Mon Mar 16 14:14:31 2009 From: AlphaWaveE at aol.com (AlphaWaveE at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:14:31 EDT Subject: [Oeva-list] battery recharge Message-ID: March 16, 2009 Researchers have developed a new advanced Lithium Ion battery that will allow mobile phone and laptop computers to be fully charged in seconds. Electric car batteries may be charged in as little as five minutes, removing one of the main barriers to wider uptake of EVs. Solar and wind power generation could also benefit as better batteries could be used to store surplus energy. _MIT_ (http://www.gizmag.com/tag/mit) researchers Byoungwoo Kang & Gerbrand Ceder have discovered a way to make a lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) battery charge and discharge about as fast as a supercapacitor. In a typical lithium ion cell when a current is applied to charge the cell, lithium ions move away from the cathode compound and are trapped at the anode storage medium. When the battery discharges producing current, those ions travel back to the cathode medium and in so doing produce current flow. Speed of charging in typical lithium-ion cells is slowed by virtue of the fact that it takes time for the lithium ion to move off the cathode material. Various techniques have been tried to increase that speed including the nanoparticle doping strategy that A123 Systems uses. The scientists noted that lithium iron phosphate forms a lattice that creates small tunnels through which the lithium ions flow, but that although the cathode seemed ideal it still took some time for those ions to travel. The novel solution they devised was to create a lithium phosphate glassy surface to coat these tunnels. This glassy surface acts as a speedway that rapidly transports the lithium ions on and off the cathode. Extremely high rates can be achieved, at a 200C rate (corresponding to an 18 second total discharge) more than 100mAh g can be achieved, and a capacity of 60mAh g is obtained at a 400C rate (9 sec to full discharge). Such discharge rates are two orders of magnitude larger than those used in today?s lithium ion batteries. Typical power rates for lithium ion battery materials are in the range of 0.5 to 2 kW/kg. The specific power observed for the modified LiFePO4 (170kWkg at a 400C rate and 90kWkg at a 200C rate) is two orders of magnitude higher. At this point the researchers have only tested the cells to 50 cycles but have noted no degradation. The a small prototype cell can be fully charged in 10 to 20 seconds, compared with six minutes for cells made in the standard way. This new ability to charge and discharge lithium-ion batteries within seconds blurs the distinction between batteries and ultracapacitors. Besides being able to charge one?s cellphone in seconds, this will have a major impact on electric cars. If electric grid power was available, an electric car with a 15kWh battery could be charged in five minutes. This would require the delivery of 180 kw of energy in that time frame. Two companies have already licensed the technology one of which includes A123 Systems. Because it involves a new approach to manufacturing lithium-ion battery materials, rather than a new material, it could be ready within two to three years. Paul Evans off of gizmag Wade **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090316/a83325ae/attachment.html From matwete at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 21:42:55 2009 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:42:55 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] MIT research: Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries In-Reply-To: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729164C5097@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729164C5097@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <007b01c9a6ba$d79f29b0$86dd7d10$@net> Gary- You need a home dump pack then.obviates the need to suck multi-KW power from your grid. -Myles From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Graunke, Gary Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:04 PM To: Philip Kollas; oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] MIT research: Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries My A123 cells *already* can charge in 15 minutes, per manufacturers recommendations for fast charge (the slow charge is 45 minutes). The only issue is getting a 40KW charger to charge them. This has the same service as my entire house (200A). And if I put in 4 more batteries (adding to the 6 I have already) to get to 100 mile range, I would need more like 56KW. So the batteries already can handle level 3 charging, but the level 3 is a bit further down the road. Gary _____ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Philip Kollas Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:06 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] MIT research: Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries Did anyone else hear the NPR Science Friday broadcast on 3-13-09, in which an MIT professor of materials & engineering talked about their discovery? He said they had found that tweaking lithium with iron phosphate (iron phosphate being the same material that battery giant BYD is now going with for their rechargeable cars) made for a much-quicker recharge time as well as greater acceleration. The recharge time went from hours down to about a minute. If this is true and the new material can be incorporated into an affordable technology for EV batteries, it seems we would have overcome one of the common objections to EVs (lengthy recharge time). Thanks, Philip Kollas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090316/3746bbcb/attachment-0001.html From gary at whitecape.org Mon Mar 16 22:15:06 2009 From: gary at whitecape.org (Gary Graunke) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:15:06 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] MIT research: Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries In-Reply-To: <007b01c9a6ba$d79f29b0$86dd7d10$@net> References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729164C5097@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> <007b01c9a6ba$d79f29b0$86dd7d10$@net> Message-ID: <49BF31DA.70202@whitecape.org> Overnight charging at 120V works for me in practice--I used that for a while. I only need 240V on weekends (mostly) when I've been driving a lot during the day and need to drive in the evening. Most of the fast charging I do is on the road. If I don't have charging at my destination, I need to charge up a bit before returning home. So I need the level 3 or dump packs or an ability to change packs somewhere on the road. Perhaps the equivalent of a gas station. We don't know what the level 3 charging connector would look like, but I have some 350A anderson connectors that would work just fine for a long time. I would even upgrade the wiring from the 4GA to 2/0, anderson connector from 175 to 350, and fuses from 50A to 300A. Bring it on!!! Gary Myles Twete wrote: > Gary- > > > > You need a home dump pack then.obviates the need to suck multi-KW power from > your grid. > > > > -Myles > > > > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On > Behalf Of Graunke, Gary > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:04 PM > To: Philip Kollas; oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] MIT research: Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries > > > > My A123 cells *already* can charge in 15 minutes, per manufacturers > recommendations for fast charge (the slow charge is 45 minutes). > > > > The only issue is getting a 40KW charger to charge them. This has the same > service as my entire house (200A). > > And if I put in 4 more batteries (adding to the 6 I have already) to get to > 100 mile range, I would need more like 56KW. > > > > So the batteries already can handle level 3 charging, but the level 3 is a > bit further down the road. > > > > Gary > > > > _____ > > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On > Behalf Of Philip Kollas > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:06 PM > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: [Oeva-list] MIT research: Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries > > > > Did anyone else hear the NPR Science Friday broadcast on 3-13-09, in which > an MIT professor of materials & engineering talked about their discovery? > He said they had found that tweaking lithium with iron phosphate (iron > phosphate being the same material that battery giant BYD is now going with > for their rechargeable cars) made for a much-quicker recharge time as well > as greater acceleration. The recharge time went from hours down to about a > minute. > > If this is true and the new material can be incorporated into an affordable > technology for EV batteries, it seems we would have overcome one of the > common objections to EVs (lengthy recharge time). > > Thanks, Philip Kollas > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From greenerwheels at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 23:50:19 2009 From: greenerwheels at gmail.com (steve boser) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:50:19 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] MIT research: Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62256f590903162350o44f8bb99m49759de6a601a581@mail.gmail.com> I listened to part of it, I was thinking to myself is this really something all that new? I thought this was the material A123 is using in their batteries. Thanks Steve 2009/3/16 Philip Kollas > Did anyone else hear the NPR Science Friday broadcast on 3-13-09, in > which an MIT professor of materials & engineering talked about their > discovery? He said they had found that tweaking lithium with iron phosphate > (iron phosphate being the same material that battery giant BYD is now going > with for their rechargeable cars) made for a much-quicker recharge time as > well as greater acceleration. The recharge time went from hours down to > about a minute. > > If this is true and the new material can be incorporated into an affordable > technology for EV batteries, it seems we would have overcome one of the > common objections to EVs (lengthy recharge time). > > Thanks, Philip Kollas > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090316/1421ec72/attachment.html From gary.graunke at intel.com Wed Mar 18 09:22:14 2009 From: gary.graunke at intel.com (Graunke, Gary) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:22:14 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Last nights meeting. In-Reply-To: <966372.21820.qm@web111107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <966372.21820.qm@web111107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729165963AC@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> The presentation is on my website (you can't see it from the home page but can download it directly): http://ev.whitecape.org/EV101.ppt . I don't know if the Tesla has user adjustable regenerative braking-only that it was turned up quite a bit. Except for the freeway offramp, I could use regen braking to do most of the work. The AC/BLDC motors will last an extremely long time-perhaps 1 million miles (twice as long as some diesels). If they are overheating, regen may produce more heat. But a properly cooled motor will not suffer just because it is used as a generator. On the other hand, on a DC motor, the brushes will wear out faster. They should be advanced in timing to be a motor and retarded to be a generator. Unless you move the brushes (that's asking for trouble), they usually end up top-dead-center as a compromise and thus wear out faster. Each battery chemistry will have it's own parameters. For laptops connected to the wall, 40% SOC is optimal for longest battery life. If you are not connected, it may be well to go to 75% to give some self-discharge time. You don't want them to run all the way down (NiCD batteries can do this, but no others). This sounds reasonable-maybe erroring on the side of conservative. I suspect that the 110V charge reduces the charge current to the point that the shunts can equalize them without burning up. Ideally, the 240V charger should also do this with appropriate feedback from the BMS, but this seems to be lacking. If you have let them sit for a while without charging, an equalization charge at 110 would be a good idea the first time. Then you can resume normal operation. Your batteries are really good batteries-they set the electric record for the race to the top of Pike's Peak some years ago. Gary ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Ray Blackburn Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:41 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Last nights meeting. That was a very interesting presentation from Gary Graunke at last nights meeting. It helped me alot as I don't know much about EV's and how they work. I have some questions. I was wanting to recap some of the info. Is there a website that might point out the basics in the slide presentation? The Tesla you drove, did it have adjustable regen braking? Is adjustable regen braking advisable on AC conversions? Perhaps the Tesla regen braking is tied to how much brake is applied if it does not have an adjustment? If you get 10% extended range out of regen braking does it take 10% off your engine life? What takes place in the AC electric motor to make it go from producing power to the wheels to producing power to the pack during the regen braking process? Sorry if you covered this and I missed it. A few members needed to pay dues during your presentation. Comments from the people who developed and built my car about lithium batteries. Do they sound right? If not using the car, the batteries should be stored at 75%. The batteries have 1,500 cycles if discharched 100 miles. 2,500 cycles if discharched 50 miles on average. Do not leave the batteries at the 40% level for more than a day.. When charging at 220 the Battery Management Screen should be charging cells with in 2 thousandths Volts. If the cells are not charging within 2 thousandths and are 10 thousandths apart the car should be unplugged and charged with 110. If the car is being stored and the power switches shut off the batteries can completely freeze and it will not harm them. For use after freezing they recommend waiting while the battery warmers bring the batteries up to operating tempature. The voltage on any cell should not go below 2.5 volts. When the BMS screen reads 0 miles left for range I still have approx. 20% of the pack left. The part of the presentation about 33 KWh = 1 gal of gas was interesting as I calculate I am getting 100 miles to the gallon with my 35 KWh pack. Also that regen breaking does take more life off the engine. I went to Mr Kraunke's website http://ev.whitecape.org/ and saw how he deshelled those Dewalt batteries and preped them for use in the Insight EV, that was pretty neat. Thanks again Mr Kraunke. Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090318/d9f4206c/attachment.html From gary.graunke at intel.com Wed Mar 18 09:35:59 2009 From: gary.graunke at intel.com (Graunke, Gary) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:35:59 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] kWh to gallons of gasoline In-Reply-To: <13E78AA0129248D69C064DF32F647BCD@RichardPC> References: <13E78AA0129248D69C064DF32F647BCD@RichardPC> Message-ID: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97291659642A@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> I got my data from the DOE document justifying the tax credits for EV and hybrids. While a KWH is a very well defined quantity, a US gallon of gasoline is not. It contains whatever waste products the refinery wants us to burn... Looks like I'm getting the equivalent of 36.6 * 6 = 219 miles per gallon in that case... All these folks are stuck in the mindset of burning something to create electricity. Obviously the electricity created from solar and wind is much more valuable than the same energy (unless you happen to want all the heat, too, and are doing co-generation). The regs also considered that you would only get 12 KWH if you burned the gas to create electricity. So that would only be 72 mpg-about the same as the Honda EPA sticker at 70 mpg. Gary 36986 Federal Register / Vol. 65, No. 113 / Monday, June 12, 2000 / Rules and Regulations Monday, June 12, 2000 Part V Department of Energy Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy 10 CFR Part 474 Electric and Hybrid Vehicle Research, Development, and Demonstration Program; Petroleum-Equivalent Fuel Economy Calculation; Final Rule ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Richard Turnock Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:53 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] kWh to gallons of gasoline http://www.e-grp.com/Resources/Conversion_Table/Conversion_Table.html 1 million BTU = 8 gallons of gasoline 10,000 BTU = 2.93 kWh Divide BTU by BTU, multiply by 2.93 and divide by 8 36.6 kWh = 1 gallon of gasoline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090318/1571d77b/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 13:52:06 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Newspaper interview for Clark County? Message-ID: <174821.29601.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, It looks like someone below is looking for an EV owner in Vancouver to interview for a newspaper article. If you own an EV in Vancouver, would you please reply to Linda below (and myself so I know she received a contact)? Thanks! Tim OEVA Chair ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "tim_kutscha at yahoo.com" To: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:13:06 AM Subject: Contact Request from OEVA website Linda Anderson (lacommunications at earthlink.net) has sent you (office: chair) the following feedback from the OEVA website: I am writing a column for Clark Public Utilities in Vancouver for the local newspaper on plug-in vehicles and I'd like to interview you or someone from Vancouver. Can you please tell when to call you or whomever? Thank you for your time. Linda Anderson From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 21:49:38 2009 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Forwarded article Message-ID: <611920.85496.qm@web110510.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi All, Here's an article that was sent to me via the contact form on the website. Enjoy. Cheers, Tim ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "tim_kutscha at yahoo.com" To: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:46:31 PM Subject: Contact Request from OEVA website JOHN NELSON, PEACE ACTIVIST (nojh at hotmail.com) has sent you (office: chair) the following feedback from the OEVA website: Obama unveils $2.4-billion grant program to aid electric cars In Pomona, Obama visits an electric-vehicle testing center and announces a program for companies to compete for grant money. He pledges to put a million plug-in hybrid vehicles on the road by 2015. By Maeve Reston 3:42 PM PDT, March 19, 2009 Reporting from Pomona -- On the second day of his tour of Southern California, President Obama highlighted his environmental jobs agenda with a visit to an electric-vehicle testing facility in Pomona, where he announced a $2.4-billion competitive grant program to make the electric vehicles more widely available. Obama's appearance at the Edison International facility, about 30 miles from downtown Los Angeles, was part of a broader push for his $3.5-trillion budget, which he has been selling to voters at campaign-style town halls Wednesday and today in Orange County and Los Angeles. Later today, he will make an appearance on " The Tonight Show with Jay Leno." Hybrid car sales go from 60 to 0 at... Photos: Hybrids on the marketObama denounces culture of greed in 'Tonight Show' appearance Sales of natural gas vehicles evaporate He alluded to recent criticism by Republicans -- some of whom have said his plans are too costly and in some cases misguided -- when he described the California trip as a welcome reprieve from Washington. He joked to his audience in his opening remarks at Edison that it was "always nice to get out of Washington for a little bit, recharge your batteries." In his low-key speech before about 100 Edison employees and students from nearby Village Academy High School, Obama highlighted his recovery plan, which he says would create 400,000 jobs in California, and expressed concern about the "devastating impact" of the foreclosure crisis on the state. But he focused primarily on his proposals to create new jobs in green technologies and to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil, noting that the U.S. is importing more oil than it was on Sept. 11, 2001. "Even as our economy has been transformed by new forms of technology, our electric grid looks largely the same as it did half a century ago," Obama said. "So we have a choice to make. We can remain one of the world's leading importers of foreign oil, or we can make the investments that would allow us to become the world's leading exporter of renewable energy." The president renewed his commitment to doubling the country's supply of renewable energy over the next few years -- including spending $11 billion upgrading the nation's power grid to ease the delivery of renewable energy across the country, and $15 million to help develop green technologies such as solar and wind power, and new coal technologies. As a receptive audience of engineers and workers cheered his plans, Obama pledged to put a million plug-in hybrid vehicles on the road by 2015, and highlighted his offer of up to $7,500 in tax credits for Americans who purchase electric vehicles. The new $2.4-billion grant program, which would be part of his recovery program, would ask companies to compete for federal money to increase the manufacturing of batteries and parts used in the electric cars. Before speaking to the crowd gathered on the factory floor of the Electric Vehicle Technical Center this morning, the president spent about 20 minutes touring the facility with Edison International's CEO and a top engineer. After viewing the company's model for a "garage of the future" -- where an electric car battery would be charged each night with energy drawn from solar panels on the garage roof -- Obama toured the battery-testing center and questioned engineers about what government could do to help advance the technology. From dabrown at ieee.org Thu Mar 19 21:50:48 2009 From: dabrown at ieee.org (Dan Brown) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:50:48 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Help needed to build battery cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003a01c9a917$708a17d0$519e4770$@org> I have to swap in a replacement battery. The only battery I could find that is available locally (and may work) has different posts that won't work with the copper bar connecters in the car. Hence, I need to make a 4 inch cable to with an L post connector on one end and a screw down connector on the other. Questions: What type of end connectors do I need? (I have some cable, but not sure of the size) Does someone have tools for cutting/crimping the cable and could help me make the cable? Thanks, Dan 503.329.7797 From gary.graunke at intel.com Fri Mar 20 07:45:11 2009 From: gary.graunke at intel.com (Graunke, Gary) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:45:11 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Help needed to build battery cable In-Reply-To: <003a01c9a917$708a17d0$519e4770$@org> References: <003a01c9a917$708a17d0$519e4770$@org> Message-ID: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97291DE902DA@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Dan, It's usually not good to have mixed batteries, but sometimes it's unavoidable when some have to be replaced. Even different ages of the same battery can make it harder to keep them balanced when charging in series. A really good battery management system can balance them, though, so this is a good test. Determine how many Amps you are drawing. Lower voltage packs draw higher current, and end up using 4/0 (0000) gauge wire. Higher voltage packs draw less current, and so get by with less, often 2 gauge. Google "wire gauge table" to get a table of wire sizes and the current limits. You'll need to find a connector that matches the battery post diameter as well as the wire gauge. I you use crimp connectors, I have a tool that you can borrow. It only takes a few seconds. Gary -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Dan Brown Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:51 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Help needed to build battery cable I have to swap in a replacement battery. The only battery I could find that is available locally (and may work) has different posts that won't work with the copper bar connecters in the car. Hence, I need to make a 4 inch cable to with an L post connector on one end and a screw down connector on the other. Questions: What type of end connectors do I need? (I have some cable, but not sure of the size) Does someone have tools for cutting/crimping the cable and could help me make the cable? Thanks, Dan 503.329.7797 _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From dabrown at ieee.org Fri Mar 20 19:30:25 2009 From: dabrown at ieee.org (Dan Brown) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:30:25 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Help needed to build battery cable In-Reply-To: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97291DE902DA@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <003a01c9a917$708a17d0$519e4770$@org> <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97291DE902DA@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <003901c9a9cd$0148d530$03da7f90$@org> Thanks, Gary. I've been made aware of the dangers/disasters of mixing batteries. However, in my pack of 18, 1 has died and 1 is marginal. I can get a 1.5 year old (new) battery for $80. Sort of like insurance. If I can get another 6-8 months out of this pack for $80, then I'm ahead [since then the next great LiXXX battery will be widely available then at reasonable prices ;) ] If not, I'm going to have to replace the entire pack anyway and I'm only out an additional $80; white noise when dealing with 18 batteries. At least it sort of makes sense to me (but I'm a noob). Dan -----Original Message----- From: Graunke, Gary [mailto:gary.graunke at intel.com] Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:45 AM To: dabrown at ieee.org; oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: RE: [Oeva-list] Help needed to build battery cable Dan, It's usually not good to have mixed batteries, but sometimes it's unavoidable when some have to be replaced. Even different ages of the same battery can make it harder to keep them balanced when charging in series. A really good battery management system can balance them, though, so this is a good test. Determine how many Amps you are drawing. Lower voltage packs draw higher current, and end up using 4/0 (0000) gauge wire. Higher voltage packs draw less current, and so get by with less, often 2 gauge. Google "wire gauge table" to get a table of wire sizes and the current limits. You'll need to find a connector that matches the battery post diameter as well as the wire gauge. I you use crimp connectors, I have a tool that you can borrow. It only takes a few seconds. Gary -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Dan Brown Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:51 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Help needed to build battery cable I have to swap in a replacement battery. The only battery I could find that is available locally (and may work) has different posts that won't work with the copper bar connecters in the car. Hence, I need to make a 4 inch cable to with an L post connector on one end and a screw down connector on the other. Questions: What type of end connectors do I need? (I have some cable, but not sure of the size) Does someone have tools for cutting/crimping the cable and could help me make the cable? Thanks, Dan 503.329.7797 _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From kennethcanon at webtv.net Sat Mar 21 09:47:55 2009 From: kennethcanon at webtv.net (kennethcanon at webtv.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:47:55 GMT Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: Please take a look Message-ID: Salem news runs an article about Larry dye and electrcwheelsinc.com KEN -----Original Message----- From: Larry Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:38 PM To: Howard Collins, H-line Global, H-Line Customer Service, Vivian Wood, Steve Isom, Richard Pine, Mark Higley, kevindye at bellsouth.net, Kevin Cameron, kennethcanon at webtv.net, Joey Ricciardi @ Work, Jim, gail at atchesonexpress.com, Dye, Johnnie B, Donna Ellenberger, Dennis, DelanaB at aol.com, Dave T, Chris, cathyrider at comcast.net, Brad Atcheson, Bob Yancey, Bob Rosinski w/EVCA Subject: Please take a look http://www.salem-news.com/articles/march202009/elec_wheels_3-20-09.php Larry Dye Electric Wheels Inc. 1555 12th ST SE #110 Salem, OR 97306 phone (503) 485-0588 fax (503) 485-0590 www.electricwheelsinc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20090324.093843.2736.1.paburkey@juno.com> Hi, Those that have volunteered to help at the Better Living Show and times are below: Friday March 27th 12-1: Tim K, William Price 1-3: Tim K, William Price 3-5: Tim K, William Price 5-7: Tim K, Ray Blackburn 7-9: Tim K, Ray Blackburn Tony Tyler any time? 101.travel at gmail.com some time each day? Saturday March 28th 11-1: Paul Burkey, Paul Albertson, Daniel Eyk after 10 AM 1-3: Paul Burkey, Daniel Eyk 3-5: Paul Burkey, Pat 5-7: Pat, 7-9: Pat, Jeff Kim? Tony Tyler any time? 101.travel at gmail.com some time each day? Sunday March 29th 11-1: Gary Graunke, William Price 1-3: Gary Graunke, William Price 3-5: Gary Graunke, William Price 5-7: Gary Graunke, William Price 7-9: Gary Graunke, William Price Tony Tyler any time? 101.travel at gmail.com some time each day? Thank you, Paul Burkey Ongoing Events Chair ____________________________________________________________ Click to compare mortgage rates. No obligation, quick and easy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIsOcxbhSfLSQuEnIioyllpYtEDFMEWiFOGZ0p3SWRHp2ti8R4XT6/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090324/d82d2431/attachment.html From danieleyk at yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 13:39:49 2009 From: danieleyk at yahoo.com (Daniel Eyk) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Volunteers For Better Living Show Message-ID: <244618.5901.qm@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paul, somehow I have placed in a slot from 1 PM to 3 PM and already have a commnitment for that time slot for Saturday, March 28th, that I have to complete. I could come in earlier on Satuday and work till about 11 AM when I would have to leave for the other commitment. I could be there as early as 9 or 9:30. Sorry about the mix up, but I have been committed for the other time slot for almost 2 months and don't feel free to back out of it. I could also swing by on my way home in the afternoon in case you need help Saturday afternoon. Daniel Eyk Vancouver, Wa. Electric S-10 project E-15 project E8M --- On Tue, 3/24/09, oeva-list-request at oeva.org wrote: > From: oeva-list-request at oeva.org > Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 22 > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 12:00 PM > Send Oeva-list mailing list > submissions to > ??? oeva-list at oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ??? http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > ??? oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ??? oeva-list-owner at oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ???1. Need volunteers for the booth at the > Better Living Show! > ? ? ? (Paul A Burkey) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:38:40 -0700 > From: Paul A Burkey > Subject: [Oeva-list] Need volunteers for the booth at the > Better > ??? Living Show! > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: <20090324.093843.2736.1.paburkey at juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, > > Those that have volunteered to help at the Better Living > Show and times > are below: > Friday March 27th > 12-1: Tim K, William Price > ? 1-3: Tim K, William Price? ? ? ? > ??? > ? 3-5: Tim K, William Price > ? 5-7: Tim K, Ray Blackburn > ? 7-9: Tim K, Ray Blackburn > Tony Tyler? any time? > 101.travel at gmail.com > some time each day?? > ? ? ? > Saturday March 28th??? > 11-1: Paul Burkey, Paul Albertson, Daniel Eyk after 10 AM > ? 1-3: Paul Burkey, Daniel Eyk? ? ? > ? ??? > ? 3-5: Paul Burkey, Pat > ? 5-7: Pat, > ? 7-9: Pat, > Jeff Kim? > Tony Tyler? any time? > 101.travel at gmail.com > some time each day?? > > Sunday March 29th? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? > 11-1: Gary Graunke, William Price > ? 1-3: Gary Graunke, William Price? ? ? > ? ??? > ? 3-5: Gary Graunke, William Price > ? 5-7: Gary Graunke, William Price > ? 7-9: Gary Graunke, William Price > Tony Tyler? any time? > 101.travel at gmail.com > some time each day?? > > Thank you, > Paul Burkey > Ongoing Events Chair > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to compare mortgage rates.? No obligation, quick > and easy. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIsOcxbhSfLSQuEnIioyllpYtEDFMEWiFOGZ0p3SWRHp2ti8R4XT6/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > /pipermail/attachments/20090324/d82d2431/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 22 > ***************************************** > From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 01:21:31 2009 From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:21:31 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Volunteers For Better Living Show In-Reply-To: <244618.5901.qm@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <244618.5901.qm@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83b7b17c0903250121x55b923a8t8f526a1d4073eb57@mail.gmail.com> I can fill in whenever needed. Looks like we need help Saturday evening. You can put down for 5-9 or 1-3. I may also be there Sunday evening, if we can move the vehicles out. Jeff Kim President & Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies Synkromotive 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Office (503) 892-7345 Mobile (503) 686-8844 Fax (503) 802-7347 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Daniel Eyk wrote: > > Paul, somehow I have placed in a slot from 1 PM to 3 PM and already have a > commnitment for that time slot for Saturday, March 28th, that I have to > complete. I could come in earlier on Satuday and work till about 11 AM when > I would have to leave for the other commitment. I could be there as early as > 9 or 9:30. Sorry about the mix up, but I have been committed for the other > time slot for almost 2 months and don't feel free to back out of it. I could > also swing by on my way home in the afternoon in case you need help Saturday > afternoon. > > Daniel Eyk > Vancouver, Wa. > > Electric S-10 project > E-15 project > E8M > > > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, oeva-list-request at oeva.org < > oeva-list-request at oeva.org> wrote: > > > From: oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 22 > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 12:00 PM > > Send Oeva-list mailing list > > submissions to > > oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > > to > > oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > oeva-list-owner at oeva.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > > specific > > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Need volunteers for the booth at the > > Better Living Show! > > (Paul A Burkey) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:38:40 -0700 > > From: Paul A Burkey > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Need volunteers for the booth at the > > Better > > Living Show! > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Message-ID: <20090324.093843.2736.1.paburkey at juno.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Hi, > > > > Those that have volunteered to help at the Better Living > > Show and times > > are below: > > Friday March 27th > > 12-1: Tim K, William Price > > 1-3: Tim K, William Price > > > > 3-5: Tim K, William Price > > 5-7: Tim K, Ray Blackburn > > 7-9: Tim K, Ray Blackburn > > Tony Tyler any time? > > 101.travel at gmail.com > > some time each day? > > > > Saturday March 28th > > 11-1: Paul Burkey, Paul Albertson, Daniel Eyk after 10 AM > > 1-3: Paul Burkey, Daniel Eyk > > > > 3-5: Paul Burkey, Pat > > 5-7: Pat, > > 7-9: Pat, > > Jeff Kim? > > Tony Tyler any time? > > 101.travel at gmail.com > > some time each day? > > > > Sunday March 29th > > > > > > 11-1: Gary Graunke, William Price > > 1-3: Gary Graunke, William Price > > > > 3-5: Gary Graunke, William Price > > 5-7: Gary Graunke, William Price > > 7-9: Gary Graunke, William Price > > Tony Tyler any time? > > 101.travel at gmail.com > > some time each day? > > > > Thank you, > > Paul Burkey > > Ongoing Events Chair > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Click to compare mortgage rates. No obligation, quick > > and easy. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIsOcxbhSfLSQuEnIioyllpYtEDFMEWiFOGZ0p3SWRHp2ti8R4XT6/ > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > /pipermail/attachments/20090324/d82d2431/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 22 > > ***************************************** > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090325/31d29e98/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 18:20:47 2009 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:20:47 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Plug-in Hybrid Boat Message-ID: <8c28d7b50903251820j30586f09q6bf7c6a81bd5254e@mail.gmail.com> http://www.beyondfossilfuel.com/electric/aptera_032409.html Aptera Launches Hybrid Electric Wake Boat - 3/24/09 Chris Anthony, co-founder and Chief of Composite Operations of Aptera is also the CEO of Epic Boats.? Epic Boats makes great wake boats and has just announced the launch of their first electric hybrid boat called the EPIC 23e.? The boat is a plug in hybrid with what the company calls a Flux Propulsion EVO 8.1 Marine Drive System.? This new system allows for an all electric operation using lithium ion batteries for over four hours, then switching over to the gas powered generator that recharges the batteries.? This would be considered a serial hybrid vehicle where the gas powered generator is not helping propel the vehicle.? According to EPIC, this system will allow for a 50% reduction in fuel consumption, which will result in a 50% drop in CO2 and a 90% drop in carbon monoxide inhaled by a skier behind the boat. The 22 foot EPIC 23e will have the equivalent of 375 horses. Hopefully it will hit the water in July of 2009.? The price will be around $150,000, but they hope to bring that down to the $75,000 range by 2012. Regards, Pat If you water ski like there is no tomorrow, it may become self-fulfilling From patrick0101 at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 23:22:43 2009 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:22:43 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Interstate 5 May Be First 'Green Freeway' Message-ID: <8c28d7b50903252322t774412abo60feb51b9b684fc3@mail.gmail.com> http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/2614/69/ The governors of California, Oregon and Washington are working together to turn Interstate 5 into the nation's first green freeway. They want to turn the heavily-traveled highway into one that caters to alternative-fuel and electric vehicles with biodiesel, ethanol, hydrogen and compressed natural gas filling stations, as well as battery charging and swapping stations conveniently located along the road's 1,382 miles. 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Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEFLR6OFe0LxXj2pQ4Tx0rFMSLOonU1lGfNcTP7N6jwlBILy8akMY/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090326/c3509a02/attachment.html From brian at briannewmanmusic.com Thu Mar 26 08:15:03 2009 From: brian at briannewmanmusic.com (Brian Newman) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:15:03 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] 82rd Avenue of Roses Parade, and Carnival In-Reply-To: <20090326.071627.1320.12.paburkey@juno.com> References: <20090326.071627.1320.12.paburkey@juno.com> Message-ID: When is the event? On Mar 26, 2009, at 7:16 AM, Paul A Burkey wrote: > Hi, > > Any one else interested in the 82rd Avenue of Roses Parade, and > Carnival? > Rick Durst from PGE and I are planning to attend. > We also have the Clark Public Utilities Home & Garden Fair the same > day! > > Thank you, > Paul Burkey > Ongoing Events Chair > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Enhance your image with these great corporate branding solutions! > Click now! > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gary ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Kim Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:22 AM To: Daniel Eyk Cc: paburkey at juno.com; oeva-list at oeva.org; 101.travel at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Volunteers For Better Living Show I can fill in whenever needed. Looks like we need help Saturday evening. You can put down for 5-9 or 1-3. I may also be there Sunday evening, if we can move the vehicles out. Jeff Kim President & Chief Operating Officer Shorepower Technologies Synkromotive 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Office (503) 892-7345 Mobile (503) 686-8844 Fax (503) 802-7347 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Daniel Eyk > wrote: Paul, somehow I have placed in a slot from 1 PM to 3 PM and already have a commnitment for that time slot for Saturday, March 28th, that I have to complete. I could come in earlier on Satuday and work till about 11 AM when I would have to leave for the other commitment. I could be there as early as 9 or 9:30. Sorry about the mix up, but I have been committed for the other time slot for almost 2 months and don't feel free to back out of it. I could also swing by on my way home in the afternoon in case you need help Saturday afternoon. Daniel Eyk Vancouver, Wa. Electric S-10 project E-15 project E8M --- On Tue, 3/24/09, oeva-list-request at oeva.org > wrote: > From: oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 22 > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 12:00 PM > Send Oeva-list mailing list > submissions to > oeva-list at oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > to > oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oeva-list-owner at oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Need volunteers for the booth at the > Better Living Show! > (Paul A Burkey) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:38:40 -0700 > From: Paul A Burkey > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Need volunteers for the booth at the > Better > Living Show! > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: <20090324.093843.2736.1.paburkey at juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, > > Those that have volunteered to help at the Better Living > Show and times > are below: > Friday March 27th > 12-1: Tim K, William Price > 1-3: Tim K, William Price > > 3-5: Tim K, William Price > 5-7: Tim K, Ray Blackburn > 7-9: Tim K, Ray Blackburn > Tony Tyler any time? > 101.travel at gmail.com > some time each day? > > Saturday March 28th > 11-1: Paul Burkey, Paul Albertson, Daniel Eyk after 10 AM > 1-3: Paul Burkey, Daniel Eyk > > 3-5: Paul Burkey, Pat > 5-7: Pat, > 7-9: Pat, > Jeff Kim? > Tony Tyler any time? > 101.travel at gmail.com > some time each day? > > Sunday March 29th > > > 11-1: Gary Graunke, William Price > 1-3: Gary Graunke, William Price > > 3-5: Gary Graunke, William Price > 5-7: Gary Graunke, William Price > 7-9: Gary Graunke, William Price > Tony Tyler any time? > 101.travel at gmail.com > some time each day? > > Thank you, > Paul Burkey > Ongoing Events Chair > ____________________________________________________________ > Click to compare mortgage rates. 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090326/dd32c34a/attachment-0001.html From paburkey at juno.com Thu Mar 26 21:54:55 2009 From: paburkey at juno.com (Paul A Burkey) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:54:55 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] April 25th, 82rd Avenue of Roses Parade, and Carnival Message-ID: <20090326.220728.1320.15.paburkey@juno.com> Hi, Any one else interested in the 82rd Avenue of Roses Parade at 9 AM, and Carnival on April 25th? http://eastportplaza.com/?q=node/2. Rick Durst from PGE and I are planning to attend. We also have the Clark Public Utilities Home & Garden Fair the same day! April 24,25 & 26, Place is the Clark County Fairgrounds. They are planning on a 40 x 40 tent for a covered display area, and one of our solar contractors will bring a sample of a carport with pv?s on the roof for charging electric vehicles. He plans to have it operational. http://www.clarkpublicutilities.com/community/hgif/hgif/index_html Friday, April 24: 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. Saturday, April 25: 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. Sunday, April 26: 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Thank you, Paul Burkey Ongoing Events Chair ____________________________________________________________ Click now for great information on the latest in cancer treatment! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMhcRCTY9loExyl3FDNY0LguLNAvFXJTF4AiyYq2t7VqcWKGDv14k/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090326/70cf9c02/attachment.html From pinsco1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 09:31:27 2009 From: pinsco1 at yahoo.com (william price) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] 82nd Ave Parade Message-ID: <425369.29065.qm@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How long is the parade ?? Burnside to Clackamas ?? Charging available ?? How many cars do you want ? Will you let a Citi-Car 32 mph be part ??? Thanks , Bill Price -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090327/c3a25cac/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 10:33:14 2009 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:33:14 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla Model S - The wait is over! Message-ID: <8c28d7b50903271033y48a4a78ft35e6dc5051982d97@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Elon Musk Date: Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:31 AM Subject: Model S - The wait is over! To: patrick0101 at gmail.com *Model S is here!* * Just moments ago, we took the wraps off the Model S,* an all electric family sedan that carries seven people and travels 300 miles per charge. We also launched a web site and began taking orders for this historic vehicle, which will likely be world's first mass-produced, highway-capable EV. The Model S , which carries its charger onboard, can be recharged from any 120V, 240V or 480V outlet, with the latter taking only 45 minutes. By recharging their car while they stop for a meal, drivers can go from LA to New York in approximately the same time as a gasoline car. Moreover, the floor-mounted battery pack is designed to be changed out in less time than it takes to fill a gas tank, allowing for the possibility of battery-pack swap stations. The floor-mounted powertrain also results in unparalleled cargo room and versatility, as the volume under the front hood becomes a second trunk. Combining that with a four-bar linkage hatchback rear trunk and flat folding rear seats, the Model S can accommodate a 50-inch television, mountain bike *and* surfboard simultaneously. This packaging efficiency gives the Model S more trunk space than any other sedan on the market and more than most SUVs. "Model S doesn't compromise on performance, efficiency or utility -- it's truly the only car you need," said Tesla CEO, Chairman and Product Architect Elon Musk. "Tesla is relentlessly driving down the cost of electric vehicle technology, and this is just the first of many mainstream cars we're developing." Tesla expects to start Model S production in late 2011. The company believes it is close to receiving $350 million in federal loans to build the Model S assembly plant in California from the Dept of Energy's Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing Program. *Building on Proven Technology* Tesla is the only production automaker already selling highway-capable EVs in North America or Europe. With 0-60 mph in 3.9 seconds, the Roadster outperforms almost all sports cars in its class yet is six times as energy efficient as gas guzzlers and delivers 244 miles per charge. Tesla has delivered nearly 300 Roadsters, and nearly 1,000 more customers are on the waitlist. Teslas do not require routine oil changes, and they have far fewer moving (and breakable) parts than internal combustion engine vehicles. They qualifyfor federal and state tax credits, rebates, sales tax exemptions, free parking, commuter-lane passes and other perks. Model S costs roughly $5 to drive 230 miles ? a bargain even if gasoline were $1 per gallon. The anticipated base price of the Model S is $49,900 after a federal tax credit of $7,500. The company has not released options pricing. Three battery pack choices will offer a range of 160, 230 or 300 miles per charge. But the anticipated sticker price doesn't tell the full story. Model S costs half as much as a Roadster, and it's a better value than much cheaper cars. The ownership cost of Model S, if you were to lease and then account for the much lower cost of electricity vs. gasoline at a likely future cost of $4 per gallon, is similar to a gasoline car with a sticker price of about $35,000. That's why we're positive this car will be the preferred choice of savvy consumers. The standard Model S does 0-60 mph in under six seconds and will have an electronically limited top speed of 130 mph, with sport versions expected to achieve 0-60 mph acceleration well below five seconds. A single-speed gearbox delivers effortless acceleration and responsive handling. A 17-inch touchscreen with in-car 3G connectivity allows passengers to listen to Pandora Radio or consult Google Maps, or check their state of charge remotely from their iPhone or laptop. Tesla is taking reservations onlineand at showrooms in California. Tesla will open a store in Chicago this spring and plans to open stores in London, New York, Miami, Seattle, Washington DC and Munich later this year. *We're certain you'll be hearing a lot more about Tesla in the weeks and months ahead, and we look forward to seeing you at the stores we're opening soon! Elon* Tesla Motors 1050 Bing Street San Carlos, CA 94070 United States You are subscribed to this newsletter as patrick0101 at gmail.com. Please click here to modify your message preferences or to unsubscribe from any future mailings. We will respect all unsubscribe requests. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090327/e5cae05b/attachment.html From tony at notebene.net Fri Mar 27 15:13:39 2009 From: tony at notebene.net (Tony) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:13:39 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla Model S - The wait is over! In-Reply-To: <8c28d7b50903271033y48a4a78ft35e6dc5051982d97@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c28d7b50903271033y48a4a78ft35e6dc5051982d97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CD4F93.40605@notebene.net> at $49,900 and and delivery in 2011, I'd say the wait is NOT over... --Tony patrick0101 at gmail.com wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Elon Musk* > > Date: Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:31 AM > Subject: Model S - The wait is over! > To: patrick0101 at gmail.com > > > *Model S is here!* > > * Just moments ago, we > took the wraps off the Model S,* an all electric family sedan that > carries seven people and travels 300 miles per charge. We also > launched a web site and began taking orders > for this historic > vehicle, which will likely be world's first mass-produced, > highway-capable EV. > > The Model S , which > carries its charger onboard, can be recharged from any 120V, 240V or > 480V outlet, with the latter taking only 45 minutes. By recharging > their car while they stop for a meal, drivers can go from LA to New > York in approximately the same time as a gasoline car. Moreover, the > floor-mounted battery pack is designed to be changed out in less time > than it takes to fill a gas tank, allowing for the possibility of > battery-pack swap stations. > > The floor-mounted powertrain also results in unparalleled cargo room > and versatility, as the volume under the front hood becomes a second > trunk. Combining that with a four-bar linkage hatchback rear trunk and > flat folding rear seats, the Model S can accommodate a 50-inch > television, mountain bike *and* surfboard simultaneously. This > packaging efficiency gives the Model S more trunk space than any other > sedan on the market and more than most SUVs. > > "Model S doesn't > compromise on performance, efficiency or utility -- it's truly the > only car you need," said Tesla CEO, Chairman and Product Architect > Elon Musk. "Tesla is relentlessly driving down the cost of electric > vehicle technology, and this is just the first of many mainstream cars > we're developing." > > Tesla expects to start Model S production in late 2011. The company > believes it is close to receiving $350 million in federal loans to > build the Model S assembly plant in California from the Dept of > Energy's Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing Program. > > *Building on Proven Technology* > > Tesla is the only production automaker already selling highway-capable > EVs in North America or Europe. With 0-60 mph in 3.9 seconds, the > Roadster outperforms almost all sports cars in its class yet is six > times as energy efficient > as gas guzzlers and > delivers 244 miles per charge. Tesla has delivered nearly 300 > Roadsters, and nearly 1,000 more customers are on the waitlist > . > > Teslas do not require routine oil changes, and they have far fewer > moving (and breakable) parts than internal combustion engine vehicles. > They qualify for > federal and state tax credits, rebates, sales tax exemptions, free > parking, commuter-lane passes and other perks. Model S costs roughly > $5 to drive 230 miles ? a bargain even if gasoline were $1 per gallon. > > The anticipated base price of the Model S is $49,900 after a federal > tax credit of $7,500. The company has not released options pricing. > Three battery pack choices will offer a range of 160, 230 or 300 miles > per charge. > > But the anticipated > sticker price doesn't tell the full story. Model S costs half as much > as a Roadster, and it's a better value than much cheaper cars. The > ownership cost of Model S, if you were to lease and then account for > the much lower cost of electricity vs. gasoline at a likely future > cost of $4 per gallon, is similar to a gasoline car with a sticker > price of about $35,000. That's why we're positive this car will be the > preferred choice of savvy consumers. > > The standard Model S does 0-60 mph in under six seconds and will have > an electronically limited top speed of 130 mph, with sport versions > expected to achieve 0-60 mph acceleration well below five seconds. A > single-speed gearbox delivers effortless acceleration and responsive > handling. A 17-inch touchscreen with in-car 3G connectivity allows > passengers to listen to Pandora Radio or consult Google Maps, or check > their state of charge remotely from their iPhone or laptop. > > Tesla is taking reservations online > and at showrooms in > California. Tesla will open a store in Chicago this spring and plans > to open stores in > London, New York, Miami, Seattle, Washington DC and Munich later this > year. > > *We're certain you'll be hearing a lot more about Tesla in the weeks > and months ahead, and we look forward to seeing you at the stores > we're opening soon! > > Elon* > Tesla Motors > 1050 Bing Street > San Carlos, CA 94070 > United States > > > You are subscribed to this newsletter as patrick0101 at gmail.com > . Please click here > to modify your > message preferences or to unsubscribe from any future mailings. We > will respect all unsubscribe requests. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From nickgaladay at msn.com Fri Mar 27 16:07:59 2009 From: nickgaladay at msn.com (Nick) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:07:59 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Need interstate carrier to ship golf cart thingy Message-ID: I'm having a devil of a time finding a serious cost effective carrier to bring my eBay'd Bad Boy Buggy (golf cart thing) from TN to Oregon. Any suggestions? All the eBay recommended vendors reneged on their quotes. Very dissappointing. Nick Galaday Vernonia Energy conservation-- saves more than energy! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Quick #22 link to MAX...or 15, 71,?or #?12 to other areas. (?www.Tri-Met.org ) ? Just let me know if that can help your plans. ? Julie M. RE: ???1. April 25th, 82rd Avenue of Roses Parade, and Carnival ? ? ? (Paul A Burkey) ???2. 82nd Ave Parade (william price) _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090327/985f67a7/attachment.html From dannyb61 at comcast.net Sat Mar 28 13:59:57 2009 From: dannyb61 at comcast.net (bortel) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:59:57 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Need interstate carrier to ship golf cart thingy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4079F5172A014C1B9A643F5258160ADC@server> Try this guy. I've used him to transport Sparrows across country and he is very reasonable. Company: Herman Baker Trucking Name: Herman Baker Phone: (740) 395-1924 Alternate Phone: (740) 384-0864 Email Address: hermanbakertrucking at hotmail.com ******************************************************************* Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:07:59 -0700 From: "Nick" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Need interstate carrier to ship golf cart thingy To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm having a devil of a time finding a serious cost effective carrier to bring my eBay'd Bad Boy Buggy (golf cart thing) from TN to Oregon. Any suggestions? All the eBay recommended vendors reneged on their quotes. Very dissappointing. Nick Galaday Vernonia Energy conservation-- saves more than energy! From dabrown at ieee.org Sat Mar 28 17:23:52 2009 From: dabrown at ieee.org (Dan Brown) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:23:52 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012101c9b004$a4195090$ec4bf1b0$@org> Hello Nick, Did you try uship.com? They take your information on what shipping you need and send it out for bids to numerous contractors. You then get to decide which shippers you want to deal with based on schedule, price, etc. Regards, Dan ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:07:59 -0700 From: "Nick" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Need interstate carrier to ship golf cart thingy To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm having a devil of a time finding a serious cost effective carrier to bring my eBay'd Bad Boy Buggy (golf cart thing) from TN to Oregon. Any suggestions? All the eBay recommended vendors reneged on their quotes. Very dissappointing. Nick Galaday Vernonia Energy conservation-- saves more than energy! From mark58150 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 29 11:32:00 2009 From: mark58150 at yahoo.com (mark58150 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Need interstate carrier to ship golf cart thingy Message-ID: <553237.71528.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nick, ? I used Kiwi's Karriers twice?and found the service and price to be very good: www.kiwiskarriers.com ? Mark ? ?? ? --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Dan Brown wrote: From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 26 To: oeva-list at oeva.org, nickgaladay at msn.com Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:23 PM Hello Nick, Did you try uship.com?? They take your information on what shipping you need and send it out for bids to numerous contractors.? You then get to decide which shippers you want to deal with based on schedule, price, etc. Regards, Dan ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:07:59 -0700 From: "Nick" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Need interstate carrier to ship golf cart ??? thingy To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm having a devil of a time finding a serious cost effective carrier to bring my eBay'd Bad Boy Buggy (golf cart thing) from TN to Oregon.? Any suggestions?? All the eBay recommended vendors reneged on their quotes. Very dissappointing. ???Nick Galaday ? ???Vernonia ? ? ? ? Energy conservation-- ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???saves more than energy! _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rik 866-769-2452 Aaall States Auto Transport Don Blazer West Hills Collision Center In a message dated 3/28/2009 12:00:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:07:59 -0700 From: "Nick" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Need interstate carrier to ship golf cart thingy To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm having a devil of a time finding a serious cost effective carrier to bring my eBay'd Bad Boy Buggy (golf cart thing) from TN to Oregon. Any suggestions? All the eBay recommended vendors reneged on their quotes. Very dissappointing. Nick Galaday Vernonia Energy conservation-- saves more than energy! **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090329/c280971d/attachment.html From cyberdyke_1 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 06:58:05 2009 From: cyberdyke_1 at yahoo.com (Janet Redhawk) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] OT: California to outlaw black cars In-Reply-To: <3D74CF93AD1845EBB073D39197021F43@toshibauser> Message-ID: <607079.92613.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is interesting --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Remy Chevalier wrote: California to outlaw black cars http://www.examiner.com/x-2304-DC-Republican-Examiner~y2009m3d26-California-to-Outlaw-Black-Cars ? March 26, 2009 #yiv379926575 .examiners_body img{padding:5px;} When the first Model T rolled off the assembly line, Henry Ford was asked what colors were available, to which he famously quipped, "You can get it in any color you want as long as it is black." A century later, California, the Mother of all Nanny States, is telling its citizens they can have any color they want as long as it is not black, or any other dark color, for that matter. You see, you thoughtless dark car owners are killing the planet because your car uses too much energy to cool the passengers. So it's light colored cars for the lot of you. In a move that will likely get California's consumers in a huff, impending legislation may soon restrict the paint color options for Golden State residents looking for their next new vehicle. The specific colors that are currently on the chopping block are all dark hues, with the worst offender seemingly the most innocuous color you could think of: Black. What could California possibly have against these colors, you ask? Apparently, the California Air Resources Board figures that the climate control systems of dark colored cars need to work harder than their lighter siblings ? especially after sitting in the sun for a few hours. Anyone living in a hot, sunny climate will tell you that this assumption is accurate, of course. In fact, legislation already exists for buildings that has proven successful at reducing the energy consumption of skyscrapers. So what about a red Corvette? Too dark? How about burgundy, or are we stuck with pink? And what about visitors to California? Will Grandpa have to pay a sin tax on his navy blue Cadillac when he visits from Nevada? With all of California's existing restrictive fuel economy standards on large cars, and now color restrictions on the cars you can buy, it seems that in California you can buy any car you want, as long as it is one of these. ? Photo credit - Ken 30684 Freedom is Number 1 on the endangered species list in California. Author: Bill Dupray Bill Dupray is an examiner from Washington DC, District_Of_Columbia. You can see Bill's articles on Bill's Home Page. My Bio Subscribe to Email Add Bill to Favorite Examiners Find out more about Bill:Bill Dupray is a recovering lawyer who skewers politicians and the liberal media over breakfast and serves them up all day long at the Examiner and at his blog, www.patriotroom.com . ? ? Comments RemyC says: Will that new law also apply to black helicopters? March 28, 10:12 PM HI says: "Freedom is Number 1 on the endangered species list in California." what a terrible line - TRY HARDER NEXT TIME March 28, 5:05 PM Okpulot Taha says: Bill Dupray itemizes for readers, (1) call me a moron (2) tell me the news is fake (3) strain all logic and reason trying to rationalize the policy. I will take door number 3 for $500 or a 10.75 percent retail sales tax. Such a delight for me to enjoy an "ah ha!" moment. I now better understand your sarcasm, Bill Dupray. You are not easily fooled. For readers, mostly for me, Bill is a Republican and I am a Democrat. Nonetheless, we provide ample room for our ante chips upon our poker table. Personally, I suspect Bill and I are closet Independents; we hold politicians, on both sides of the aisle, responsible and accountable. I enjoy reading Bill's thoughts because he presents rational and reasonable thinking free of partisan politics. Seems we are the "Gang of Two" here in this congress of public opinion. I do not always agree with Bill but I do read carefully and do give thought to his words. I am not one to automatically dismiss Bill simply because he is a Republican. I would be quite the fool to do this. Bill continues, "The lefties will defend silliness to the point of forfeiting their freedom." Yes, sir, this is certainly true. Being fair, I note this behavior from both Republicans and Democrats, but this inane behavior does seem to be a primary sole claim of Democrats. This past presidential election cycle certainly highlighted this shallow thinking on the part of Democrats. Your 3 items of thought are well proved to be true. Your first two, name calling and claiming fraud, those two I dismiss right off. Those are the thinkings of blithering idiots. I do not entertain blithering idiots, not for a moment. Number 3, this twisting and turning of logic, this interests me. This is the thinking of people who can pull the wool over the eyes of the public, and this type of thinking, most often, causes much harm to our country. This concerns me, greatly. I fret these logical fallacy people will harm us all, but more important, will cause harm to our children and future generations of our children. I could write for hours about all this twisted thinking on the part of both Republicans and Democrats. Instead, I will simply close with a current event example. Los Angeles county recently made a new contract with teachers. Democrats jumped up and told the public, "Look! No pay raises for teachers! We are doing what you want!" What is not said is this new contract includes increased benefits, such as expanded health insurance and increased retirement benefits. Democrats leap up on their soapboxes, "See? See! We Democrats have our act together! No pay raises! Do not fret about those increased benefits, those are not pay raises and costs will not be incurred for years to come. Vote Democrat! Vote good thinking!" Yeah, well, the bill for those increased benefits will come due when our children are making us grandparents, if not already. Those costs of increased benefits will drain the pocket books of our children, their children, right on down the line. This sets up future generations for financial hardship. This well exemplifies Bill's "strain all logic and reason trying to rationalize the policy." Oh shoot, a ten-TRILLION dollar national debt, no big deal, we will worry about this in the future. Sure. We will be old and age addled and our grandchildren will be cussing us. As to Bill's concern about loss of freedoms, this is painfully true. Ban black colored cars for the most stupid of reasons. What is next? Will we ban black granite counter tops from our kitchens, ban black leather covered furniture, ban black colored guns? Are black stealth military aircraft to be banned? I like my slinky slutty cleavage diving black dresses and my spit shined black 6 inch spiked heels. I like my Lady Clairol helped Raven Black hair. I like our glossy black lacquer '57 Chevy Bel Air show car which wins a lot of trophies. I like pretending to still be a teenager, dressed in black, riding in a right fancy black car. Are my fantasies to be banned next? Okpulot Taha Choctaw Nation March 28, 3:33 PM dan says: TO dobl: For those of us old enough, with cars and jobs, who the heck wants to spend $2,000 to repaint our cars? You still live with mommy and your skate board, so it doesnt bother you. March 28, 12:01 AM Bill Dupray says: Okpulot - I realize it is not a hoax. What cracks me up is that when some idiot liberal in California dreams up an idea like this, the liberals come on a site like this and feel compelled to (1) call me a moron, (2) tell me the news is fake, or (3) strain all logic and reason trying to rationalize the policy. You never hear one of them say, "I am a liberal, and even I think this is an idiotic idea." I have heard a lot of Republicans propose stupid policies and I am happy to call them on it. The lefties will defend silliness to the point of forfeiting their freedom. March 27, 10:00 PM Okpulot Taha says: Paul writes, "....solar panels are black in color...." Correct. Solar panels are most often mounted upon roofs of homes, whether electric solar panels or water heating solar panels. Black solar panels absorb solar energy. This heat is transferred into attics of homes. This heats a house which prompts dwellers to use more air conditioning. This drives up electricity consumption resulting in generation of more greenhouse gases. Politicians are using a logic, "Black cars use more air conditioning." Black solar panels use more air conditioning. If black cars are banned, stands to the same idiocy in logic, black solar panels should be banned, along with black asphalt and black shoes, oh shoot, we should also ban my hair color, Raven Black, so people will not fry their brains. A quick counter is black cars will stay warmer in winter thus will use heaters less which translates to less gas consumption and less green house gases. I would propose we ban black cars from roads during summer, and ban white cars from roads during winter. This would make sense to politicians, perfect sense. Okpulot Taha Choctaw Nation March 27, 9:57 PM Okpulot Taha says: Bill! This story is not a hoax. This is real. I visited the CARB site, looked at all the supporting reports from bird brained scientists, the color black is described, "remains an issue". This is political code talk for, "black will be banned". Law will be car paint must reduce solar energy absorption by a set percentage amount. This is impossible to meet for the color black, and highly borderline for other dark colors. Black and dark colors will not comply with this law, those colors cannot be allowed under law. Here is the deal. AB32 requires a twenty-five percent reduction in 'green house gases' by 2020 year. However, this Assembly Bill contains incremented requirements. Part of this is a measured percentage reduction in car emissions within the next two years, approximately. Banning the color black is a part of this plan. Here in California, new cars which are black or dark colored, cannot be allowed to be sold here because of non-compliance with laws "possibly" generated under Assembly Bill 32. No viable ideas have emerged so CARB and lackey scientists are coming up with insane ideas, I mean really stupid ideas. Currently passed, auto repair shops are now required by law to check air pressure in tires on customer cars regardless of the type of service performed. Catch is a customer can decline this air pressure check. Other words, this is law but is truly voluntary on the part of car owners. This is a law which is not a law. Huh? Bigger catch is estimate of CO2 reduction through proper tire inflation is 2/10 of 1 percent. This is an insignificant amount compared to cumulative costs of this program. Reduction of emissions through banishment of the color black for cars, is even less. However, costs will be high. This new type of paint, which has yet to be successfully formulated, will add $100 to $200 the cost of each car, perhaps more. So, California has doubled the car tax and are now adding "back door" taxes through this tire inflation program and this reflective paint program. On the average, all of this will add about $500 to $750 in purchase price of a new car. Driving prices of cars up will result in less cars sold and more people being laid off. This, in turn, reduces tax revenues which, in turn, prompts government to further raise taxes. With current economic conditions, people cannot afford higher prices and higher taxes. As is, here in California, the new car industry is all but dead. This is true nationwide, as well, but not as severe as in California. A benefit is automotive shops are enjoying an increase in business through maintaining and repairing older used cars. However, this keeps less efficient cars on the road which defeats the purpose of AB32. This is an endless cycle of idiocy. This "black paint ban" is being claimed to be a hoax. The reason for this is CARB and politicians are being hammered hard for their idiocy. Tens of thousands of Californians are screaming and hollering at our politicians, so much so, most politicians now refuse to answer their telephones and email servers cannot deal with all the complaint email. Politicians, select government people, pushed out a "news leak" this ban of black paint is a hoax to cover their sorry butts. Public outrage, for many reasons, is so intense, politicians have no choice but to lie to protect their elected seats. Have you looked at how many California politicians are now being subjected to recall? This claim banning black paint is a hoax, is a hoax perpetrated by our state government. People are so angry, politicians are back pedaling to get out from under this anger. This hoax is a hoax. This is very typical tactic of lying thieving politicians. Okpulot Taha Choctaw Nation March 27, 9:37 PM Sean O'Donnell, Baltimore Republican Examiner says: hahaha I thought this was a joke. What a complete waste of time for California's legislature. Black is the best color for a car too. March 27, 6:36 PM Ken says: Does this Black Car ban mean Obama has to have all his cars repainted when he visits Calif. March 27, 5:27 PM dobl says: Who cares what part of the goddamn color spectrum your expensive hunk of metal falls in. Outlaw black, don't... whatever. March 27, 5:20 PM KJ says: None of this is true, this article is a complete lie. Take of your foil hats and get out of your mother's basement, you need a little sun... March 27, 4:59 PM Walter says: Even for me as a European, I find this unbelievable. We all get the fact that black absorbs light but whatever side of the green debate you fall on, surely you can see this as a government gimmick? If they cared so much about the environment wouldn't it be more sensible to offer to offer tax incentives on lower carbon emission cars, I'm sure people would love cheaper cars, in this day and age. The sad thing is, stories like this make the whole green matter, a harder sell to the public March 27, 4:31 PM geo says: really, the best thing to do would be to ban air conditioners in cars. I've lived without one for years in a hot climate. Is everyone alive today a complete namby-pamby?!? March 27, 4:22 PM R says: Some Mennonite sects require their members to have black cars. As far as I know, none of those groups are in California, but will the gov grant exemptions for those groups (no matter how stupid the reason might be)?? March 27, 4:12 PM Ian says: Gene, you are a *&%$#!! moron...you always think that this little piece of government legislation is o.k....then, add one more, and one more, and one more, until...POOF! Everyone's rights are, for all intensive purposes gone. Sheeple like you want all of us to look the same, eat the same things, drive the same things, etc.. God, spineless people like you disgust me. Anything and everything that this ever increasingly oppressive government of ours says, you gobble it up without even a moments thought or concern. When the day comes that you have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHTS OR CHOICES WHATSOEVER BECAUSE YOUR "GOVERNMENT" KNOWS WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU, GIVE ME A CALL AND TELL ME HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR WONDERFUL GOVERNMENT THEN, YOU IMBECILE. March 27, 3:38 PM Vincent says: This is both the dumbest and scariest thing I have seen happen yet. I honestly can't believe it's real. Disgusting use of government power. March 27, 3:16 PM Marilyn says: This is so typical of these loons in government who claim that global warming is man-made. You can bet none of them will give up their dark-colored limos and SUV's. Chalk up another stupid idea from the nanny state. March 27, 3:04 PM Gene says: This is scientifically sound and probably won't make a difference on the economy. Have some perspective. Only having one choice with the Model-T was inconvenient but it didn't matter. Now we have more choices than we need. I'm sure we can give one up from the environment. This is a pragmatic and probably temporary approach which is not remotely a slippery slope. March 27, 2:56 PM Paco Verde says: What about the ugly factor? I don't want anyone telling me that I can't choose my car in Black until I never see a Yellow Hummer on the road again! March 27, 2:08 PM Dom Kaufman says: Now, I'm pretty sure this is taking it waaay too far. Limiting MY choices of MY car? It's MY money that I am spending, if they want to tell me what to do with it? They can blow it out their ear. Luckily, I'm sure this legislation won't pass. March 27, 1:37 PM __._,_.___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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