[Oeva-list] OT: California to outlaw black cars

Mon Mar 30 06:58:05 PDT 2009

This is interesting

--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Remy Chevalier <electrifyingtimes at hotmail.com> wrote:

California to outlaw black cars

http://www.examiner.com/x-2304-DC-Republican-Examiner~y2009m3d26-California-to-Outlaw-Black-Cars

March 26, 2009
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When the first Model T rolled off the assembly line, Henry Ford was asked 
what colors were available, to which he famously quipped, "You can get it in any 
color you want as long as it is black." A century later, California, the Mother 
of all Nanny States, is telling its citizens they can have any color they want 
as long as it is not black, or any other dark color, for that matter. 
You see, you thoughtless dark car owners are killing the planet because your car 
uses too much energy to cool the passengers. So it's light colored cars for the lot of 
you.
In a move that will likely get California's consumers in a huff, 
  impending legislation may soon restrict the paint color options for Golden 
  State residents looking for their next new vehicle. The specific 
  colors that are currently on the chopping block are all dark hues, with the 
  worst offender seemingly the most innocuous color you could think of: 
  Black. 
  What could California possibly have against these colors, you ask? 
  Apparently, the California Air Resources Board figures that the climate 
  control systems of dark colored cars need to work harder than their lighter 
  siblings – especially after sitting in the sun for a few hours. Anyone living 
  in a hot, sunny climate will tell you that this assumption is accurate, of 
  course. In fact, legislation already exists for buildings that has proven 
  successful at reducing the energy consumption of skyscrapers.
So what about a red Corvette? Too dark? How about burgundy, or are we stuck 
with pink? And what about visitors to California? Will Grandpa have to pay a sin 
tax on his navy blue Cadillac when he visits from Nevada? With all of 
California's existing restrictive fuel economy standards on large cars, and now 
color restrictions on the cars you can buy, it seems that in California you can 
buy any car you want, as long as it is one of these.

Photo credit - Ken 30684 
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Comments

RemyC 
says: 

Will 
that new law also apply to black helicopters? 
March 28, 
10:12 PM 

HI 
says: 

"Freedom 
is Number 1 on the endangered species list in California." 

what a 
terrible line - TRY HARDER NEXT TIME 
March 28, 
5:05 PM 

Okpulot 
Taha says: 

Bill 
Dupray itemizes for readers,

(1) call me a moron
(2) tell me the news 
is fake
(3) strain all logic and reason trying to rationalize the 
policy.

I will take door number 3 for $500 or a 10.75 percent retail 
sales tax.

Such a delight for me to enjoy an "ah ha!" moment. I now 
better understand your sarcasm, Bill Dupray. You are not easily 
fooled.

For readers, mostly for me, Bill is a Republican and I am a 
Democrat. Nonetheless, we provide ample room for our ante chips upon our poker 
table. Personally, I suspect Bill and I are closet Independents; we hold 
politicians, on both sides of the aisle, responsible and accountable.

I 
enjoy reading Bill's thoughts because he presents rational and reasonable 
thinking free of partisan politics. Seems we are the "Gang of Two" here in this 
congress of public opinion. I do not always agree with Bill but I do read 
carefully and do give thought to his words. I am not one to automatically 
dismiss Bill simply because he is a Republican. I would be quite the fool to do 
this.

Bill continues, "The lefties will defend silliness to the point of 
forfeiting their freedom."

Yes, sir, this is certainly true. Being fair, 
I note this behavior from both Republicans and Democrats, but this inane 
behavior does seem to be a primary sole claim of Democrats.

This past 
presidential election cycle certainly highlighted this shallow thinking on the 
part of Democrats. Your 3 items of thought are well proved to be true. Your 
first two, name calling and claiming fraud, those two I dismiss right off. Those 
are the thinkings of blithering idiots. I do not entertain blithering idiots, 
not for a moment.

Number 3, this twisting and turning of logic, this 
interests me. This is the thinking of people who can pull the wool over the eyes 
of the public, and this type of thinking, most often, causes much harm to our 
country. This concerns me, greatly. I fret these logical fallacy people will 
harm us all, but more important, will cause harm to our children and future 
generations of our children.

I could write for hours about all this 
twisted thinking on the part of both Republicans and Democrats. Instead, I will 
simply close with a current event example.

Los Angeles county recently 
made a new contract with teachers. Democrats jumped up and told the public, 
"Look! No pay raises for teachers! We are doing what you want!"

What is 
not said is this new contract includes increased benefits, such as expanded 
health insurance and increased retirement benefits.

Democrats leap up on 
their soapboxes, "See? See! We Democrats have our act together! No pay raises! 
Do not fret about those increased benefits, those are not pay raises and costs 
will not be incurred for years to come. Vote Democrat! Vote good 
thinking!"

Yeah, well, the bill for those increased benefits will come 
due when our children are making us grandparents, if not already. Those costs of 
increased benefits will drain the pocket books of our children, their children, 
right on down the line. This sets up future generations for financial 
hardship.

This well exemplifies Bill's "strain all logic and reason 
trying to rationalize the policy."

Oh shoot, a ten-TRILLION dollar 
national debt, no big deal, we will worry about this in the future. Sure. We 
will be old and age addled and our grandchildren will be cussing us.

As 
to Bill's concern about loss of freedoms, this is painfully true. Ban black 
colored cars for the most stupid of reasons. What is next? Will we ban black 
granite counter tops from our kitchens, ban black leather covered furniture, ban 
black colored guns? 

Are black stealth military aircraft to be 
banned?

I like my slinky slutty cleavage diving black dresses and my spit 
shined black 6 inch spiked heels. I like my Lady Clairol helped Raven Black 
hair. I like our glossy black lacquer '57 Chevy Bel Air show car which wins a 
lot of trophies. I like pretending to still be a teenager, dressed in black, 
riding in a right fancy black car.

Are my fantasies to be banned 
next?

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation 
March 28, 
3:33 PM 

dan 
says: 

TO 
dobl:

For those of us old enough, with cars and jobs, who the heck wants 
to spend $2,000 to repaint our cars? You still live with mommy and your skate 
board, so it doesnt bother you. 
March 28, 
12:01 AM 

Bill 
Dupray says: 

Okpulot 
- I realize it is not a hoax. What cracks me up is that when some idiot liberal 
in California dreams up an idea like this, the liberals come on a site like this 
and feel compelled to (1) call me a moron, (2) tell me the news is fake, or (3) 
strain all logic and reason trying to rationalize the policy. You never hear one 
of them say, "I am a liberal, and even I think this is an idiotic idea." I have 
heard a lot of Republicans propose stupid policies and I am happy to call them 
on it. The lefties will defend silliness to the point of forfeiting their 
freedom. 
March 27, 
10:00 PM 

Okpulot 
Taha says: 

Paul 
writes, "....solar panels are black in color...."

Correct. Solar panels 
are most often mounted upon roofs of homes, whether electric solar panels or 
water heating solar panels. Black solar panels absorb solar energy. This heat is 
transferred into attics of homes. This heats a house which prompts dwellers to 
use more air conditioning. This drives up electricity consumption resulting in 
generation of more greenhouse gases. 

Politicians are using a logic, 
"Black cars use more air conditioning." Black solar panels use more air 
conditioning. If black cars are banned, stands to the same idiocy in logic, 
black solar panels should be banned, along with black asphalt and black shoes, 
oh shoot, we should also ban my hair color, Raven Black, so people will not fry 
their brains.

A quick counter is black cars will stay warmer in winter 
thus will use heaters less which translates to less gas consumption and less 
green house gases. 

I would propose we ban black cars from roads during 
summer, and ban white cars from roads during winter. This would make sense to 
politicians, perfect sense.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation 
March 27, 
9:57 PM 

Okpulot 
Taha says: 

Bill! 
This story is not a hoax. This is real.

I visited the CARB site, looked 
at all the supporting reports from bird brained scientists, the color black is 
described, "remains an issue".

This is political code talk for, "black 
will be banned". Law will be car paint must reduce solar energy absorption by a 
set percentage amount. This is impossible to meet for the color black, and 
highly borderline for other dark colors. Black and dark colors will not comply 
with this law, those colors cannot be allowed under law.

Here is the 
deal. AB32 requires a twenty-five percent reduction in 'green house gases' by 
2020 year. However, this Assembly Bill contains incremented requirements. Part 
of this is a measured percentage reduction in car emissions within the next two 
years, approximately. Banning the color black is a part of this plan. Here in 
California, new cars which are black or dark colored, cannot be allowed to be 
sold here because of non-compliance with laws "possibly" generated under 
Assembly Bill 32.

No viable ideas have emerged so CARB and lackey 
scientists are coming up with insane ideas, I mean really stupid 
ideas.

Currently passed, auto repair shops are now required by law to 
check air pressure in tires on customer cars regardless of the type of service 
performed. 

Catch is a customer can decline this air pressure check. 
Other words, this is law but is truly voluntary on the part of car owners. This 
is a law which is not a law. Huh?

Bigger catch is estimate of CO2 
reduction through proper tire inflation is 2/10 of 1 percent. This is an 
insignificant amount compared to cumulative costs of this 
program.

Reduction of emissions through banishment of the color black for 
cars, is even less. However, costs will be high. This new type of paint, which 
has yet to be successfully formulated, will add $100 to $200 the cost of each 
car, perhaps more.

So, California has doubled the car tax and are now 
adding "back door" taxes through this tire inflation program and this reflective 
paint program. On the average, all of this will add about $500 to $750 in 
purchase price of a new car. 

Driving prices of cars up will result in 
less cars sold and more people being laid off. This, in turn, reduces tax 
revenues which, in turn, prompts government to further raise taxes.

With 
current economic conditions, people cannot afford higher prices and higher 
taxes. As is, here in California, the new car industry is all but dead. This is 
true nationwide, as well, but not as severe as in California.

A benefit 
is automotive shops are enjoying an increase in business through maintaining and 
repairing older used cars. However, this keeps less efficient cars on the road 
which defeats the purpose of AB32.

This is an endless cycle of 
idiocy.

This "black paint ban" is being claimed to be a hoax. The reason 
for this is CARB and politicians are being hammered hard for their idiocy. Tens 
of thousands of Californians are screaming and hollering at our politicians, so 
much so, most politicians now refuse to answer their telephones and email 
servers cannot deal with all the complaint email.

Politicians, select 
government people, pushed out a "news leak" this ban of black paint is a hoax to 
cover their sorry butts. Public outrage, for many reasons, is so intense, 
politicians have no choice but to lie to protect their elected 
seats.

Have you looked at how many California politicians are now being 
subjected to recall?

This claim banning black paint is a hoax, is a hoax 
perpetrated by our state government. People are so angry, politicians are back 
pedaling to get out from under this anger.

This hoax is a hoax. This is 
very typical tactic of lying thieving politicians.

Okpulot 
Taha
Choctaw Nation 
March 27, 
9:37 PM 

Sean 
O'Donnell, Baltimore Republican Examiner says: 

hahaha 
I thought this was a joke. What a complete waste of time for California's 
legislature. Black is the best color for a car too. 
March 27, 
6:36 PM 

Ken 
says: 

Does 
this Black Car ban mean Obama has to have all his cars repainted when he visits 
Calif. 
March 27, 
5:27 PM 

dobl 
says: 

Who 
cares what part of the goddamn color spectrum your expensive hunk of metal falls 
in. Outlaw black, don't... whatever. 
March 27, 
5:20 PM 

KJ 
says: 

None 
of this is true, this article is a complete lie. Take of your foil hats and get 
out of your mother's basement, you need a little sun... 
March 27, 
4:59 PM 

Walter 
says: 

Even 
for me as a European, I find this unbelievable. We all get the fact that black 
absorbs light but whatever side of the green debate you fall on, surely you can 
see this as a government gimmick? If they cared so much about the environment 
wouldn't it be more sensible to offer to offer tax incentives on lower carbon 
emission cars, I'm sure people would love cheaper cars, in this day and age. The 
sad thing is, stories like this make the whole green matter, a harder sell to 
the public 
March 27, 
4:31 PM 

geo 
says: 

really, 
the best thing to do would be to ban air conditioners in cars. I've lived 
without one for years in a hot climate. Is everyone alive today a complete 
namby-pamby?!? 
March 27, 
4:22 PM 

R 
says: 

Some 
Mennonite sects require their members to have black cars. As far as I know, none 
of those groups are in California, but will the gov grant exemptions for those 
groups (no matter how stupid the reason might be)?? 
March 27, 
4:12 PM 

Ian 
says: 

Gene, 
you are a *&%$#!! moron...you always think that this little piece of 
government legislation is o.k....then, add one more, and one more, and one more, 
until...POOF! Everyone's rights are, for all intensive purposes gone. Sheeple 
like you want all of us to look the same, eat the same things, drive the same 
things, etc.. God, spineless people like you disgust me. Anything and everything 
that this ever increasingly oppressive government of ours says, you gobble it up 
without even a moments thought or concern. 
When the day comes that you have 
ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHTS OR CHOICES WHATSOEVER BECAUSE YOUR "GOVERNMENT" KNOWS WHAT 
IS BEST FOR YOU, GIVE ME A CALL AND TELL ME HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR WONDERFUL 
GOVERNMENT THEN, YOU IMBECILE. 
March 27, 
3:38 PM 

Vincent 
says: 

This 
is both the dumbest and scariest thing I have seen happen yet. I honestly can't 
believe it's real. Disgusting use of government power. 
March 27, 
3:16 PM 

Marilyn 
says: 

This 
is so typical of these loons in government who claim that global warming is 
man-made. You can bet none of them will give up their dark-colored limos and 
SUV's. Chalk up another stupid idea from the nanny state. 
March 27, 
3:04 PM 

Gene 
says: 

This 
is scientifically sound and probably won't make a difference on the economy. 
Have some perspective. Only having one choice with the Model-T was inconvenient 
but it didn't matter. Now we have more choices than we need. I'm sure we can 
give one up from the environment. This is a pragmatic and probably temporary 
approach which is not remotely a slippery slope. 
March 27, 
2:56 PM 

Paco 
Verde says: 

What 
about the ugly factor? I don't want anyone telling me that I can't choose my car 
in Black until I never see a Yellow Hummer on the road again! 
March 27, 
2:08 PM 

Dom 
Kaufman says: 

Now, 
I'm pretty sure this is taking it waaay too far. Limiting MY choices of MY car? 
It's MY money that I am spending, if they want to tell me what to do with it? 
They can blow it out their ear. Luckily, I'm sure this legislation won't pass. 
March 27, 
1:37 PM 

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