From pinsco1 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  1 13:21:43 2009
From: pinsco1 at yahoo.com (william price)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:21:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] (no subject)
Message-ID: <278098.61907.qm@web37301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




      
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 19:12:58 2009
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:12:58 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] New Nickel-Lithium Battery
Message-ID: <8c28d7b50911031912r3e222e86s83bf86cbc84d3720@mail.gmail.com>

"Japan?s National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology
(AIST) have succeeded in making the world?s first Ni-Li battery, a
formulation that holds more than 3.5 times the energy of Li-ion batteries
and doesn?t run the risk of catching fire."

http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1037692_new-nickel-lithium-battery-has-ultra-high-energy-density

Regards,
Pat
With Great Power, Comes Great Current and High Voltage   =D~
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From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 19:50:39 2009
From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 19:50:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: EV Battery Tech Seminar
Message-ID: <694421.47605.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

 In case anyone is going down to Santa Cruz at the end of January, Electro Automotive (one of the leaders in the EV industry) is having a battery seminar.

Cheers,
Tim



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Electro Automotive <electro at cruzio.com>
To: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 5:46:51 PM
Subject: EV Battery Tech Seminar

Continuing its 18 year history of presenting educational seminars and
workshops on electric vehicles, Electro Automotive is proud to present
the EV Battery Tech Seminar.  This seminar is for
people who already have the basic level of information on EV conversions
and are looking for more technical detail on batteries.  This is
information based on firsthand research and experience - not speculation
or hype - from knowlegdeable experts with many years in their fields. The
seminar will consist of three 2-hour sessions, with breaks between and
plenty of opportunities to ask questions. The presenters represent the
highest caliber of firsthand knowledge about batteries in actual service
in electric vehicles. 

The opening segment will focus on lead acid batteries. Jim
Ramos of American Battery will speak.  Mr. Ramos has been in the
lead acid battery business for 36 years, and has been involved with
electric conversions for 30 years. For twenty years, he was a
manufacturer of lead acid batteries under his own label, researching the
internal architecture of the batteries to modify their structure and
optimize them for specific applications. He has also designed and built
battery manufacturing equipment. His client list has included major
companies such as FedEx and Waste Management. He currently supplies
batteries all over the United States, and has supplied more batteries for
EV conversions than any other battery supplier. 

The second segment will focus on lithium batteries.  Dr. Andrew Burke of the Institute of Transportation Studies at UC
Davis will speak. Since 1974, Dr. Burke?s research has involved many
aspects of electric and hybrid vehicle design, analysis, and testing. He
was a key contributor on the US Department of Energy Hybrid Test Vehicles
(HTV) project while working at the General Electric Research and
Development Center. He continued his work on electric vehicle technology,
while Professor of Mechanical Engineering at Union College and later as a
research manager with the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory (INEL).
Dr. Burke joined the research faculty of the ITS-Davis in 1994. He
directs the EV Power Systems Laboratory and performs research and teaches
graduate courses on advanced electric driveline technologies,
specializing in batteries, ultracapacitors, fuel cells and hybrid vehicle
design. Dr. Burke has authored over 80 publications on electric and
hybrid vehicle technology and applications of batteries and
ultracapacitors for electric vehicles. 

The final segment will focus on battery containment in the
vehicle.  Mike Brown of Electro Automotive will speak. Mr.
Brown has been in the electric vehicle components supply businss for
thirty years. Previous to that, he studied engineering at the University
of Wyoming, and was a dealership trained auto technician who later
operated his own auto repair shop from 1975 to 1993. At that time, he
closed the gas car shop to focus on EVs full time. He has built both gas
and electric race cars, personally built dozens of conversions, and
consulted on hundreds more. He designed and developed the Voltsrabbit and
Voltsporsche custom bolt-in conversion kits, which are still the most
complete kits available anywhere. He authored the book Convert
It, now in its third edition, which is the definitive how-to
conversion manual, used as a text in numerous high schools and
universities and supplied by the Dept. of Energy to schools participating
in the Mid-Atlantic Electic Vehicle Challenge. 

Space is limited. Advance registration is required. To register, please
send name(s), phone number & email (in case we need to contact you)
and payment to Electro Automotive, PO Box 1113, Felton, CA, 95018. Date: 
Saturday, January 30, 2010 Time: 
10:00 am - 5:30 pm Place: 
University Inn & Conference Center, 611 Ocean St., Santa Cruz, CA
95060 Cost: 
$100.00 Food: 
There will be coffee and pastries before the workshop, and a break
for lunch. There are numerous places to eat nearby. Lodgings: 
The University Inn also offers discounted room rates. Call (831)
426-7100 and mention Electro Automotive. More Info: 
Go to http://www.electroauto.com/batteryseminar.shtml , email
bill at electroauto.com, or call Electro Automotive at 831-429-1989. Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989 
http://www.electroauto.com/ electro at cruzio.com 
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since
1979



      
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 17:48:33 2009
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:48:33 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Book: Two Cents per Mile
Message-ID: <8c28d7b50911041748y3e803484qc7dd13d6385a0968@mail.gmail.com>

Two Cents per Mile
http://www.amazon.com/Two-Cents-per-Mile-President/dp/0615293913

What happened to Toyota's RAV4-EV program that produced 100% electric sports
> utility vehicles (that's right, SUV's!) that are still running, today, at a
> cost of two cents per mile? Engineer Nevres Cefo shows how Americans are
> being systematically misinformed and trapped with only one choice for their
> future transportation needs: the internal combustion engine and liquid
> fuels. Can we change the course of where we are going and how we get there?
> Yes we can, and Cefo shows you how to do it.
>

Regards,
Pat
With Great Power, Comes Great Current and High Voltage   =D~
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From gmikol at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  5 12:29:18 2009
From: gmikol at yahoo.com (Greg Mikol)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:29:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's
Message-ID: <812545.23958.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Speaking of RAV4-EV's...I was at the farmers' market last week (2 weeks ago?) and there were 4 RAV4-EV's, without license plates, parked in the PSU garage right there at the entrance off 6th.

Anybody out there know anything about that?

--Greg


      

From phil at hochstetler.com  Thu Nov  5 13:13:12 2009
From: phil at hochstetler.com (phil hochstetler)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:13:12 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's
In-Reply-To: <812545.23958.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <812545.23958.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <37a5993b0911051313t461ee70dke83c6dc6873445a8@mail.gmail.com>

A quick search with google "RAV4 PSU" turns up this:

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z15882/Toyota-Rav4.aspx

Looks like they are donated to PSU support a program called ZEV-NET
(Zero Emission Vehicle-Network Enabled Transport).
Pretty cool.  This apparently was announced in Sept. 08 so they may
have been there for a while.  Others may know more.
Thanks for the heads up.
--phil

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Greg Mikol <gmikol at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Speaking of RAV4-EV's...I was at the farmers' market last week (2 weeks ago?) and there were 4 RAV4-EV's, without license plates, parked in the PSU garage right there at the entrance off 6th.
>
> Anybody out there know anything about that?
>
> --Greg

From matwete at comcast.net  Thu Nov  5 13:51:59 2009
From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:51:59 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's
In-Reply-To: <37a5993b0911051313t461ee70dke83c6dc6873445a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <812545.23958.qm@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<37a5993b0911051313t461ee70dke83c6dc6873445a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ed01ca5e62$348b49b0$9da1dd10$@net>

Sounds like we need a guest speaker from PSU's ZEV-NET program to attend an
upcoming OEVA meeting...

-----Original Message-----
From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On
Behalf Of phil hochstetler
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:13 PM
To: Greg Mikol
Cc: OEVA
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's

A quick search with google "RAV4 PSU" turns up this:

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z15882/Toyota-Rav4.aspx

Looks like they are donated to PSU support a program called ZEV-NET
(Zero Emission Vehicle-Network Enabled Transport).
Pretty cool.  This apparently was announced in Sept. 08 so they may
have been there for a while.  Others may know more.
Thanks for the heads up.
--phil

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Greg Mikol <gmikol at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Speaking of RAV4-EV's...I was at the farmers' market last week (2 weeks
ago?) and there were 4 RAV4-EV's, without license plates, parked in the PSU
garage right there at the entrance off 6th.
>
> Anybody out there know anything about that?
>
> --Greg
_______________________________________________
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From Rick.Durst at pgn.com  Thu Nov  5 15:24:21 2009
From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:24:21 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's
Message-ID: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60BBFD7BF3E@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>

These are on loan from Toyota through a partnership with PSU. 

Portland General Electric will get one, PSU will have two and the city of Portland will get one for the Mayor's car.
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org <oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org>
To: oeva-list at oeva.org <oeva-list at oeva.org>
Sent: Thu Nov 05 12:29:18 2009
Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's

Speaking of RAV4-EV's...I was at the farmers' market last week (2 weeks ago?) and there were 4 RAV4-EV's, without license plates, parked in the PSU garage right there at the entrance off 6th.

Anybody out there know anything about that?

--Greg


      
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 00:30:49 2009
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:30:49 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Al Gore plugs electric cars on Daily Show
Message-ID: <8c28d7b50911060030y61df16cbg981c4e36447f3462@mail.gmail.com>

http://plugsandcars.blogspot.com/2009/11/al-gore-plugs-electric-cars-on-daily.html

Regards,
Pat
With Great Power, Comes Great Current and High Voltage   =D~
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From lhhg_llc at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  6 09:32:05 2009
From: lhhg_llc at yahoo.com (Bob Zedwick)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:32:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Al Gore plugs electric cars on Daily Show
In-Reply-To: <8c28d7b50911060030y61df16cbg981c4e36447f3462@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c28d7b50911060030y61df16cbg981c4e36447f3462@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <704067.94767.qm@web35508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



I wouldn't be too proud of ANYTHING AL Gore says...his film was full distortions and outright lies.  So we can't trust him about much of anything (besides being an extreme hypocrite).  EV's are great and are being readily accepted in our society but I would prefer not hearing about it from Al--it will hurt the EV's overall image.

Bob
lhhg_llc at yahoo.com




________________________________
From: "patrick0101 at gmail.com" <patrick0101 at gmail.com>
To: OEVA <oeva-list at oeva.org>
Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 12:30:49 AM
Subject: [Oeva-list] Al Gore plugs electric cars on Daily Show

http://plugsandcars.blogspot.com/2009/11/al-gore-plugs-electric-cars-on-daily.html

Regards,
Pat
With Great Power, Comes Great Current and High Voltage   =D~



      
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 19:56:07 2009
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:56:07 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] EVs on PBS' NOW
Message-ID: <8c28d7b50911091956t13a6c7dr7d7f4d1a2bc29bff@mail.gmail.com>

http://celticsolar.blogspot.com/2009/11/electric-dreams.html

Regards,
Pat
Plug-in, Turn on, Drive Off   =D~
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 21:07:54 2009
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:07:54 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's
In-Reply-To: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60BBFD7BF3E@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>
References: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60BBFD7BF3E@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>
Message-ID: <8c28d7b50911092107j61ca2a39xbf1ed77682015529@mail.gmail.com>

Rick,

Do you know who at PSU is running the program? And would they be willing to
bring one (or more) of the RAV4s to an OEVA meeting?

Regards,
Pat
Plug-In, Turn On, Drive Off      =D~


On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Rick Durst <Rick.Durst at pgn.com> wrote:

> These are on loan from Toyota through a partnership with PSU.
>
> Portland General Electric will get one, PSU will have two and the city of
> Portland will get one for the Mayor's car.
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org <oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org>
> To: oeva-list at oeva.org <oeva-list at oeva.org>
> Sent: Thu Nov 05 12:29:18 2009
> Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's
>
> Speaking of RAV4-EV's...I was at the farmers' market last week (2 weeks
> ago?) and there were 4 RAV4-EV's, without license plates, parked in the PSU
> garage right there at the entrance off 6th.
>
> Anybody out there know anything about that?
>
> --Greg
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>
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From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 22:20:01 2009
From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:20:01 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's
In-Reply-To: <8c28d7b50911092107j61ca2a39xbf1ed77682015529@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60BBFD7BF3E@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>
	<8c28d7b50911092107j61ca2a39xbf1ed77682015529@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83b7b17c0911092220q70b0f621le0ec0ef1be857db6@mail.gmail.com>

George Beard from PSU could probably help us out.

Jeff Kim
President
Shorepower Technologies
2351 NW York Street
Portland, OR 97210
Office (503) 892-7345
Mobile (503) 686-8844
Fax (503) 802-7347
jkim at shorepower.com
www.shorepower.com


On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:07 PM, <patrick0101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rick,
>
> Do you know who at PSU is running the program? And would they be willing to
> bring one (or more) of the RAV4s to an OEVA meeting?
>
> Regards,
> Pat
> Plug-In, Turn On, Drive Off      =D~
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Rick Durst <Rick.Durst at pgn.com> wrote:
>
>> These are on loan from Toyota through a partnership with PSU.
>>
>> Portland General Electric will get one, PSU will have two and the city of
>> Portland will get one for the Mayor's car.
>> Rick
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org <oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org>
>> To: oeva-list at oeva.org <oeva-list at oeva.org>
>> Sent: Thu Nov 05 12:29:18 2009
>> Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's
>>
>> Speaking of RAV4-EV's...I was at the farmers' market last week (2 weeks
>> ago?) and there were 4 RAV4-EV's, without license plates, parked in the PSU
>> garage right there at the entrance off 6th.
>>
>> Anybody out there know anything about that?
>>
>> --Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Oeva-list mailing list
>> Oeva-list at oeva.org
>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Oeva-list mailing list
>> Oeva-list at oeva.org
>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>>
>
>
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From garry at europa.com  Tue Nov 10 06:31:52 2009
From: garry at europa.com (garry painter)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:31:52 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Road Map
In-Reply-To: <83b7b17c0911092220q70b0f621le0ec0ef1be857db6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60BBFD7BF3E@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>
	<8c28d7b50911092107j61ca2a39xbf1ed77682015529@mail.gmail.com>
	<83b7b17c0911092220q70b0f621le0ec0ef1be857db6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC05BC54-53E8-4A1B-B078-807EC1BE44C4@europa.com>

Hmmm.... Is this how you punish us for not coming to the meets on  
Thursdays?


http://www.ci.corvallis.or.us/council/mail-archive/mayor/msg30266.html
PSU & Portland General Electric invite you to a special event on  
November 9 (E.V. ROAD MAP: PREPARING OREGON FOR THE INTRODUCTION OF  
ELECTRIC VEHICLES)  http://www.way2go.us/index.html

Not that I would have paid the $100 bucks to go.

Did anyone from OEVA make it to the event?

I found the above by googling George Beard PSU.

On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Jeff Kim wrote:

> George Beard from PSU could probably help us out.
>
> Jeff Kim
> President
> Shorepower Technologies
> 2351 NW York Street
> Portland, OR 97210
> Office (503) 892-7345
> Mobile (503) 686-8844
> Fax (503) 802-7347
> jkim at shorepower.com
> www.shorepower.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:07 PM, <patrick0101 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Do you know who at PSU is running the program? And would they be  
> willing to bring one (or more) of the RAV4s to an OEVA meeting?
>
> Regards,
> Pat
> Plug-In, Turn On, Drive Off      =D~
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Rick Durst <Rick.Durst at pgn.com> wrote:
> These are on loan from Toyota through a partnership with PSU.
>
> Portland General Electric will get one, PSU will have two and the  
> city of Portland will get one for the Mayor's car.
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org <oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org>
> To: oeva-list at oeva.org <oeva-list at oeva.org>
> Sent: Thu Nov 05 12:29:18 2009
> Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's
>
> Speaking of RAV4-EV's...I was at the farmers' market last week (2  
> weeks ago?) and there were 4 RAV4-EV's, without license plates,  
> parked in the PSU garage right there at the entrance off 6th.
>
> Anybody out there know anything about that?
>
> --Greg
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>
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From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 12:32:26 2009
From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:32:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: Electric Vehicle
Message-ID: <337250.41553.qm@web110503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hello OEVA folks,

 Here's another Ford Ranger EV for sale. Please contact Pat directly (see below).

Cheers,
Tim



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Patricia Rae Linn <pat at patriciaraelinn.com>
To: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 12:20:18 PM
Subject: Electric Vehicle

 
Hi Tim,
 
We are trying to sell the
following EV; any chance you can post this to your members? We?d really
appreciate it!
 
2001
Ford Ranger (detailed photos available), electric build completed in 2006,
beautiful, detailed custom job. 120v DC system, 60-mile range @ 45-50mph, 85mph
top speed, insulated/heated battery boxes, 20 deep cycle 6v batteries, new
4-year 19,000-mile battery pack will be installed 11/09, onboard 120v AC
charger plugs in anywhere, full charge overnight, cab heat and defrost for
comfortable winter driving, power brakes and steering, tow package for light
loads. Ideal commuter vehicle for any urban dweller, only 4 cents per mile to
run. Only maintenance required is a motor brush replacement at 80,000 miles.
Runs beautifully, clean, quiet. Valued at $30,000. Located South Central
Oregon. Call Max at 541-943-3353, message or fax to 541-943-3354.
 
Thanks so much!
 
Pat
____________________________________
Patricia Rae Linn
2385 S. San Miguel Dr.
Grand Junction, Colorado 81503
(970) 241-7992
Fax: (928) 563-0021
pat at patriciaraelinn.com


      
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From matwete at comcast.net  Tue Nov 10 14:54:35 2009
From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:54:35 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] early Detroit Electric delivery van (1909 or earlier)
	for sale
Message-ID: <002201ca6258$c6b56060$54202120$@net>

 

On Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/preview.php?num=yecuxde

This is extremely rare.

 

-Myles

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From john.p.christian at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 15:08:41 2009
From: john.p.christian at gmail.com (John Christian)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:08:41 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV Road Map
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Gary, Jeff, and I attended the Road Map 09 meeting. There were several
interesting presentation that covered everything from commercial electric
trucks to demographic studies on EVs, to a Nissan presentation where they
offered a little more info. I can add to any reports we get from Gary and
Jeff at tomorrow's meeting.

regards,
John

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:31 AM, garry painter <garry at europa.com> wrote:

> Hmmm.... Is this how you punish us for not coming to the meets on
> Thursdays?
>
>
> *http://www.ci.corvallis.or.us/council/mail-archive/mayor/msg30266.html*
> *PSU & Portland General Electric invite you to a special event on November
> 9 (E.V. ROAD MAP: PREPARING OREGON FOR THE INTRODUCTION OF ELECTRIC
> VEHICLES)  http://www.way2go.us/index.html*
> Not that I would have paid the $100 bucks to go.
>
> Did anyone from OEVA make it to the event?
>
> I found the above by googling George Beard PSU.
>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Jeff Kim wrote:
>
> George Beard from PSU could probably help us out.
>
> Jeff Kim
> President
> Shorepower Technologies
> 2351 NW York Street
> Portland, OR 97210
> Office (503) 892-7345
> Mobile (503) 686-8844
> Fax (503) 802-7347
> jkim at shorepower.com <jkim at shorepowercom>
> www.shorepower.com
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:07 PM, <patrick0101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Do you know who at PSU is running the program? And would they be willing
>> to bring one (or more) of the RAV4s to an OEVA meeting?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pat
>> Plug-In, Turn On, Drive Off      =D~
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Rick Durst <Rick.Durst at pgn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> These are on loan from Toyota through a partnership with PSU.
>>>
>>> Portland General Electric will get one, PSU will have two and the city of
>>> Portland will get one for the Mayor's car.
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org <oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org>
>>> To: oeva-list at oeva.org <oeva-list at oeva.org>
>>> Sent: Thu Nov 05 12:29:18 2009
>>> Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4-EV's
>>>
>>> Speaking of RAV4-EV's...I was at the farmers' market last week (2 weeks
>>> ago?) and there were 4 RAV4-EV's, without license plates, parked in the PSU
>>> garage right there at the entrance off 6th.
>>>
>>> Anybody out there know anything about that?
>>>
>>> --Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:32:21 2009
From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:32:21 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: BRAMMO introduces new price
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Pretty nice price break.

Jeff
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From cje at hevanet.com  Wed Nov 11 17:51:47 2009
From: cje at hevanet.com (Curt Erickson)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:51:47 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: BRAMMO introduces new price
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Seen this before.. ZAP went from $13k to $4k.. I might hold off. 

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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 13:26:30 2009
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:26:30 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Cal Berkeley Study on EVs
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http://bit.ly/3oqYTH

Regards,
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 01:12:39 2009
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:12:39 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA November 2009 Monthly Meeting Notes
Message-ID: <8c28d7b50911130112s278e21fds787feae3079ee544@mail.gmail.com>

These are my notes from the monthly meeting. These are not the official
minutes and they are peppered with my opinion and misconceptions. Enjoy.

=================================
Agenda:
=================================
Portland RAV4 EV Program
Navistar Electric Truck to be built in Portland
Nissan Leaf Tour Coming to Portland
EV Road Map Portland Report
Clackamas Community College Visit Report
Fund Raising Team to be formed in January
December Meeting
Oregon SAE Presentation Coming Up
Arcimoto Launch Report
General Comments
=================================

Chairman John Christian opened the meeting.

=================================
Portland RAV4 EV Program
=================================
Rick Durst presenting:

Toyota is sponsoring an EV program in Portland. Toyota has loaned 4 RAV4 EVs
to Portland State University. PSU will lend one of the RAV4 EVs to PGE and
another to the Major's Office. PSU has installed 2 small paddle induction
chargers for them. PGE will install 1 in the WTC parking garage.

Later, as part of a larger global initiative, Toyota will make 150 Plug-in
Priuses for the US, we should get at least 8 (maybe more) here in Portland.
With the PHEV Prius conversion that PGE currently has they have found that
mileage with a PHEV varies greatly with driving style (and if you plug it in
or not).

=================================
Navistar Electric Truck to be built in Portland
=================================
Rick Durst presenting:
Navistar (Link <http://ir.navistar.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=412470>)
is launching an electric truck line from here in Portland. These are class
3+ delivery truck (Sprinter Van). Another cap in Portland EV cap.

=================================
Nissan Leaf Tour Coming to Portland
=================================
Rick Durst presenting:
Nissan is taking the Leaf EV on tour (yep it is a rockstar). They are going
to 22 cities in 11 states. They will be in Portland December 17th - 23rd. We
have contacted them and they are willing to have a special OEVA meeting with
us. They are not planning details for the Portland event yet. Stay tuned.

More Leaf info:
Nissan Leaf is deploying 5000 vehicles in the US. 1000 of them in Oregon.
These will be part of an evaluation that monitors driving patterns. Pricing
and model (lease / buy - car / battery) are not yet announced or final.
Nissan is not yet taking orders. If you buy a Nissan Leaf, you will get a
charging station installed in your garage as part of this program. If you
need service upgrade, you must pay for that. If you cannot charge at home,
you maybe able to have this charger install credit applied to someplace else
(like your work).

The EV Project (http://theevproject.com/) is the joint effort to deploy
charging stations. They are first putting them in the 5 states that are
getting the 5000 Nissan Leafs.

=================================
EV Road Map Portland Report
=================================
John Christian presenting:
"The EV Road Map Oregon" was an invitation only ($99) meeting to discuss the
logistics of installing charging station in Oregon. 2200 charging stations
are planned for Oregon as part of "The EV Project" (see above). These will
be split among homes, businesses and along I-5 and other major roadways.
Many EV studies were presented. One of the lessons learned from a Japan
study was that the presents of charging stations (even if they were not
used) made people more comfortable driving an EV. Study presented showed
that 60-75% of Oregon buyers said that they would prefer an EV or PHEV if it
were the equivalent cost to a gas-only vehicle. More than 50% would pay a
10% premium for plug-in.

E-Tek is managing the grant to install charging stations in The EV Project.
The actual installers for Oregon have not yet been contracted.

Mark Perry and Tracy (?) from Nissan presented info about the Leaf. The Leaf
seats 5 full-sized adults. It is in the Camery/Maxima class. It is a new
design for electric, not a re-purposed Ultima conversion.

Charging stations can be installed outside of this program too.

=================================
Clackamas Community College Visit Report
=================================
John Christian presenting:

The new alt energy class at CCC invited OEVA to present on EVs. Ray
Blackburn brought his Yaris EV. The students were very impressed.

=================================
Fund Raising
=================================
Pat Connor presenting:

Last year our fund raising for Awareness Day happened rather last minute. We
were able to break even, but it would be nice to make some money on this
that we can spend on other EVents. We will start a sub-group and come up
with ideas. I mentioned the idea of a raffle and was informed that they are
not allowed with our non-profit status.

=================================
December Meeting
=================================
We decided to have two meetings in December. One our December social (food)
meeting on December 10th. We'll have another gathering for the Nissan Leaf,
date to be determined between Dec 17 and 23rd.

=================================
Oregon SAE Presentation
=================================
OEVA member, Bryce Nash, made a car that is electric front wheel drive and
gas rear wheel drive for about $1700 for the Grassroots Motorsports $2009
Challenge. Bryce will be presenting his Pontiac Fiero, how it was modified
and how it performed in the events drag races.

 What:    AWD Gas-Electric Hybrid Fiero for $2,009
               Presented by Mr. Bryce Nash, Daimler Trucks NA.
When:   Friday, November 20th, 2009; 11:45am ? 1:00pm
Where:  Daimler Trucks Corporate Conference Center ? Willamette East, 4555
N. Channel Ave, Portland OR. map
>><http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=8957628509360464481,45.555493,-122.702898&saddr=&daddr=45.555493,-122.702898&mra=pi&mrcr=0&sll=45.555707,-122.703&sspn=0.002862,0.004941&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16>
Off Hwy 217 & Greenburg Road ? Across from Washington Square Mall.
Cost:     $7 with current SAE membership, $8 non-members, $4 for all
students
RSVP:   By Tuesday 11/17, to Jason Wilkening for food head count.
Jason.Wilkening at Daimler.com or 503-745-9328.

=================================
Arcimoto Launch Report
=================================
Arcimoto of Eugene launched their 3 wheeled vehicle at Pioneer Courthouse
Square - John attended. It was a good launch with press and Paul Scott as a
keynote speaker. They started taking orders at that event and had several
takers. Whoaa hoo.

=================================
General Comments
=================================
Motion to have a meeting in Eugene or Salem. Great idea.
What about an Arcimoto factory tour?
John wants to promote OEVA on "social media" sites.
- OEVA is now on facebook
(Link<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Oregon-Electric-Vehicle-Association/138510433019>
)

Regards,
Pat
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From phil at hochstetler.com  Fri Nov 13 16:44:35 2009
From: phil at hochstetler.com (phil hochstetler)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:44:35 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Leaf Tour Details (NYT article)
Message-ID: <37a5993b0911131644h21022042s567d72f48a74dde7@mail.gmail.com>

Apparently, the prototype on display for the Tour will look like the
final product, but won't run.
A Nissan Virsa will be outfitted with the Leaf powertrain for
demonstration only.
Anyone know how close a Virsa is to the Leaf model?

Source:  http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/nissan-takes-leaf-electric-car-on-tour/
--phil

From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 22:03:31 2009
From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:03:31 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Leaf Tour Details (NYT article)
In-Reply-To: <37a5993b0911131644h21022042s567d72f48a74dde7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37a5993b0911131644h21022042s567d72f48a74dde7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83b7b17c0911132203q69dfc80frde572c9766a64dc8@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like Nissan will be leasing the batteries, according to CEO, Carlos
Ghosn.

http://evsandenergy.blogspot.com/2009/11/nissans-leaf-falls-gently-to-earth-in.html

Jeff Kim



On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM, phil hochstetler <phil at hochstetler.com>wrote:

> Apparently, the prototype on display for the Tour will look like the
> final product, but won't run.
> A Nissan Virsa will be outfitted with the Leaf powertrain for
> demonstration only.
> Anyone know how close a Virsa is to the Leaf model?
>
> Source:
> http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/nissan-takes-leaf-electric-car-on-tour/
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From Art.JAMES at odot.state.or.us  Thu Nov 12 10:06:00 2009
From: Art.JAMES at odot.state.or.us (JAMES Art)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:06:00 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: 2010 Mid Valley Home Show
Message-ID: <E1997F6C7C4A04468AE49F44A15E11E60715F68E@EX-SALEMREV-4.odot.state.or.us>

Here is an opportunity offering reduced registration for EV-related
exhibitors at the 2010 Mid-Valley Home show in January (see below).  If
interested, please respond directly to Dick Bond at: 
dick at homebuildersassociation.org
 

Art James
Innovative Partnerships Project Director
Oregon Department of Transportation
Direct: (503) 986-3858
Cell: (503) 369-3516

 

________________________________

From: Dick Bond [mailto:dick at homebuildersassociation.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:08 AM
To: JAMES Art
Subject: 2010 Mid Valley Home Show


I'm following up on our conversation on Sat.    As I mentioned to you we
are setting aside a special area in Columbia Hall  at the Oregon State
Fairgrounds for the 2010 Mid Valley Home Show.   Its called the "Green
Living" section.   To qualify vendors must offer "green" or sustainable
products or services.   We'd like to have something along the line of
electric vehicles cars or related products & services that would support
them.  I'd appreciate getting any leads of firms that you think might be
interested in participating.  The show is January 15-17, 2010 at the
Oregon State Fairgrounds.  We'll be using both the Americraft & Columbia
Hall venues.  The "Green Living"section will be in Columbia Hall which
is the larger of the two venues.  Corner booths,10X10 normally sell for
$600.   We're offering them in the "Green Living" section for $500.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Also ODOT would like to
participate by offering brochures or perhaps even a seminar, that can be
arranged at no cost.

 

On another subject ...  next time the Ducks go on the road,  lets hope
they take both the offense and the defense. 

 

Dick  Bond 

dick at homebuildersassociation.org

 

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From phil at hochstetler.com  Sun Nov 15 13:38:17 2009
From: phil at hochstetler.com (phil hochstetler)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:38:17 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Good hour long video on Lithium balancing (EVTV Nov.
	13th show)
Message-ID: <37a5993b0911151338i4555e360q9424f79294f1d91c@mail.gmail.com>

Jack Rickard passes on some hard earned knowledge on lithium cells and
balancing.  My take is he was relying on pack voltage to indicate and
empty pack which is a mistake.  You need per cell low voltage
detection.
I have to agree with his analysis but think a better solution is start
with very similar capacity cells and have a good low voltage
monitoring system in place.  What he does not say directly, is that
you can murder the cells on charge if you charge to 3.65/4.2*#cells
without shunt regulators you will have the same situation as the
discharge one (he avoids it by a very conservative charge voltage).

Good way to spend an hour if you are interested in lithium BMS/battery issues.

link:  http://web.me.com/mjrickard/

--phil

From nisaacs at optechsw.com  Mon Nov 16 10:16:54 2009
From: nisaacs at optechsw.com (Nathan Isaacs)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:16:54 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Charging EVs with OpConnect station
Message-ID: <003c01ca66e8$fc1d60b0$f4582210$@com>

Good day all,

 

You may remember me, I'm Nathan Isaacs with Optimization Technologies. I
gave a demonstration of our OpConnect charging stations at the October
meeting.

 

I am seeking volunteers to charge their vehicles with our OpConnect station,
located outside our offices in Beaverton. I am seeking vehicles that can be
charged at 120v or 220v. If you are interested, send me an e-mail at
nisaacs at optechsw.com and we'll work out the details.  A big thanks in
advance!

 

Sincerely,

Nathan Isaacs

Manager, Business Development

Optimization Technologies

www.opconnect.com

(503) 690-4475 x 16

(503) 810-7013 mobile

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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 23:34:49 2009
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:34:49 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Portland Charging Station Sign
Message-ID: <8c28d7b50911162334y58b70367lc15c9aff2572e6b7@mail.gmail.com>

http://projectgetready.com/docs/ev_signs.pdf
http://projectgetready.com/resources/portlands-ev-sign

Can anyone confirm that this is official and final?

Regards,
Pat
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From john.p.christian at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 11:48:47 2009
From: john.p.christian at gmail.com (John Christian)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:48:47 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting road tour
Message-ID: <a12098090911171148g3cb7a811s2b23d302bdba747e@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings OEVA members:

At this month's meeting several folks suggested that we bring an OEVA
meeting to Corvallis, Eugene, Salem, or Bend; thus making us truly the
OREGON Electric Vehicles Association. I am all for it and will be glad to
work on the logistics with you.

Who is interested and can help me get this going (for any city)?

Also, if there is anyone who knows about another city in Oregon or
Washington that we can help out by bringing in an EV presentation / meeting,
I would love to talk with you.

Thank you,
John P. Christian
OEVA Chair
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From Theoldcars at aol.com  Tue Nov 17 13:32:44 2009
From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:32:44 EST
Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting road tour
Message-ID: <cb6.5c82355a.3834707c@aol.com>

 
I have mixed feelings on this one. The closest city on this list is around 
50 miles the next two are about 75 to 120 miles. How many would be driving 
an EV any of these meetings?
 
Without seeing the response I would guess most members would use ICE 
vehicles. I like the idea but not if causes us to use more oil. Maybe I am extreme 
but I tried to eliminate my use of ICE as much as possible. 
So I am not thrilled about the idea of having meetings that would put more 
ICE vehicles on the road. 
 
Don
 
In a message dated 11/17/2009 12:00:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes:

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:48:47 -0800
From: John Christian <john.p.christian at gmail.com>
Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting road tour
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Message-ID:
<a12098090911171148g3cb7a811s2b23d302bdba747e at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Greetings OEVA members:

At this month's meeting several folks suggested that we bring an OEVA
meeting to Corvallis, Eugene, Salem, or Bend; thus making us truly the
OREGON Electric Vehicles Association. I am all for it and will be glad to
work on the logistics with you.

Who is interested and can help me get this going (for any city)?

Also, if there is anyone who knows about another city in Oregon or
Washington that we can help out by bringing in an EV presentation / meeting,
I would love to talk with you.

Thank you,
John P. Christian
OEVA Chair


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From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 18:30:24 2009
From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:30:24 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Revolutionizing Electric Transportation
In-Reply-To: <E1997F6C7C4A04468AE49F44A15E11E60715F6A7@EX-SALEMREV-4.odot.state.or.us>
References: <E1997F6C7C4A04468AE49F44A15E11E60715F6A7@EX-SALEMREV-4.odot.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <83b7b17c0911171830l139fb085icc0c8a88c774a3ce@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like a great report, but I'm not sure that I'll have time to read it
all.

Jeff Kim
President
Shorepower Technologies
2351 NW York Street
Portland, OR 97210
Office (503) 892-7345
Mobile (503) 686-8844
Fax (503) 802-7347
jkim at shorepower.com
www.shorepower.com


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: JAMES Art <Art.JAMES at odot.state.or.us>
Date: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Subject: Revolutionizing Electric Transportation
To: WARNER Chris * ODOT <Chris.WARNER at odot.state.or.us>
Cc: Richard Reinoehl <richard.reinoehl at verizon.net>, ACHTERMAN Gail <
gail.achterman at oregonstate.edu>, Alex Cuyler <Alex.cuyler at co.lane.or.us>,
ALLEN Patrick <Patrick.Allen at state.or.us>, Amy Ruiz <
Amy.ruiz at ci.portland.or.us>, Angus Duncan <angusduncan at b-e-f.org>, Annie
Gorski <agorski at cityofsalem.net>, AVERBECK Lynn <
Lynn.AVERBECK at odot.state.or.us>, Ben Altman <baltman at sfadg.com>, BERNARD
Hans * GOV <Hans.BERNARD at state.or.us>, Bill Scott <bscott at zipcar.com>, Bill
Welch <Bill.welch at eweb.org>, Bob Parker <rgp at uoregon.edu>, Bob Topping <
rtopping at chemeketa.edu>, Brad Hippert <brad.hippert at porteon.net>, BRADY Mark
<Mark.Brady at state.or.us>, BROUWER Travis <Travis.BROUWER at odot.state.or.us>,
Cam Gilmour <camgil at co.clackamas.or.us>, CAREY Virginia K <
Virginia.K.CAREY at odot.state.or.us>, Charles George <Charles.george at nike.com>,
Charlie Allcock <Charlie.Allcock at pgn.com>, Charlie Tomlinson <
mayor at council.ci.corvallis.or.us>, Cheryl Gribskov <Cheryl at oregontic.com>,
Chris Bakken <chris at synkromotive.com>, Cindy Troupe <
TROUPE.Cindy at deq.state.or.us>, Clay Neal <clay.neal at ci.portland.or.us>,
CLEMENTS Dennis L <Dennis.L.Clements at state.or.us>, COLLIER David <
David.COLLIER at state.or.us>, Curtis Coronado <gm at thelodgeatsuttlelake.com>,
Dale Garcia <dale.garcia at pgn.com>, Dan Bower <Dan.Bower at pdxtrans.org>, Dan
Blue <dan.blue at ci.gresham.or.us>, Dave Baker <dbaker at cjatc.org>, Dave
Mayfield <Dave.mayfield at coganowens.com>, David Steves <
david.steves at registerguard.com>, David Waffle <DWaffle at ci.cornelius.or.us>,
Dick Sheehy <Dick.sheehy at ch2m.com>, Don Thomson <dcthomson at cityofsalem.net>,
Duncan Wyse <dwyse at orbusinesscouncil.org>, DURRENBERGER Ed <
Ed.Durrenberger at state.or.us>, Eben Polk <epolk at co.clackamas.or.us>,
Elizabeth Dickenson <Elizabeth_dickenson at ous.edu>, Eric Schmidt <
eschmidt at aocweb.org>, ERICKSON Bruce D <Bruce.D.ERICKSON at odot.state.or.us>,
Erik Andersson <Erik.andersson at pacificorp.com>, Erik Siemers <
esiemers at bizjournals.com>, FRETWELL Kent * SSD Fleet <
Kent.Fretwell at state.or.us>, FREY Kari A <Kari.A.FREY at odot.state.or.us>,
Gabrielle Schiffer <gabrielle.m.schiffer at state.or.us>, Gary Brentano <
Gbrentano at ci.beaverton.or.us>, Gary Kanz <GKANZ at cityofsalem.net>, George
Beard <gbeard at pdx.edu>, George Cartales <georgic at ci.hillsboro.or.us>, George
Marlton <George_Marlton at ous.edu>, GITT Forrest O <
Forrest.O.GITT at odot.state.or.us>, Greg Sparks <
greg.sparks at portofportland.com>, HAMILTON Nancy J * GOV <
Nancy.J.HAMILTON at state.or.us>, James Mast <mastj at pdc.us>, Janet Lonneker <
JLonneker at forestgrove-or.gov>, Jay Rogers <Jay.rogers at pdxtrans.org>,
Jeannine Parisi <Jeannine.PARISI at eweb.org>, Jeff Baer <
jbaer at ci.portland.or.us>, Jeff Cogen <jeff.cogen at co.multnomah.or.us>, Jeff
Kim <jeff.shorepower at gmail.com>, Jim Huckestein <
Jim.Huckestein at linnbenton.edu>, Jim Mitchell <
Jim.Mitchell at ci.corvallis.or.us>, Joe Brusda <joe at mcelectricvehicles.com>,
Joe Esmonde <joe at ibew48.com>, John Christian <john.p.christian at gmail.com>,
John Hunt <jhunt at ci.portland.or.us>, John MacArthur <macarthur at pdx.edu>,
Josh Rogers <Joshua.rogers at das.state.or.us>, Joshua Proudfoot <
joshua.proudfoot at goodcompany.com>, Joshua Skov <Joshua.skov at goodcompany.com>,
Justin Fleming <Justin.fleming at oregonstate.edu>, Karen Black <
KBlack at omsi.edu>, Karl Dinger <karldi at ci.hillsboro.or.us>, Kathy Ging <
kathy at kathyging.com>, Kevin Banister <banister.kevin at gmail.com>, Kevin Toon
<ktoon at orcities.org>, KING Brian * SSD SURP <Brian.KING at state.or.us>, Kyle
Davis <Kyle.L.Davis at pacificorp.com>, LIFSEY Marjorie C <
Marjorie.C.LIFSEY at odot.state.or.us>, Linda Norris <lnorris at cityofsalem.net>,
Luanne Richey <lrichey at sdao.com>, LUTTKUS Christopher M <
Christopher.M.LUTTKUS at state.or.us>, Lynn Peterson <
lynnpet at co.clackamas.or.us>, Melissa Brandao <mbrandao at ambientemotors.com>,
Michael Clark <clark at pacificintermedia.com>, Michael Johns <
Michael.JOHNS at co.lane.or.us>, Michael Phillips <michael at watershedcom.com>,
Michele Crim <mcrim at ci.portland.or.us>, Mike Dockendorf <
drgoldwing at gmail.com>, MOLLER Debbie <Debbie.Moller at state.or.us>, NORDBERG
Dave <Dave.NORDBERG at state.or.us>, Pam Knowles <pknowles at portlandalliance.com>,
PARKER Cora R * GOV <Cora.R.PARKER at state.or.us>, Pat Egan <
pat.egan at pacificorp.com>, Paul Capell <Pcapell at deainc.com>, Paul Howard <
PVHoward at ip7.us>, Paul Owen <paulo at owenmedia.com>, PEARSON Jill L <
Jill.L.PEARSON at odot.state.or.us>, Peter Brandom <peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us>,
Peter Hurley <peter.hurley at trans.ci.portland.or.us>, Phil Ralston <
Philip.ralston at portofportland.com>, Rainmar Bartl <
bartl at ci.cannon-beach.or.us>, Randy Isaac <RIsaac at cityofsalem.net>, Randy
Wampler <randy.wampler at state.or.us>, REYNOLDS David * SSD SPO <
David.Reynolds at state.or.us>, Richard Swift <
richard.f.swift at co.multnomah.or.us>, Rick Durst <Rick.durst at pgn.com>, Riki
Lanegan <rikil at lincolncity.org>, Roger Cole <colerog at ohsu.edu>, Roger
Kuhlman <Kuhlman at salemelectric.com>, SHEPARD Elin D * FACL SW <
Elin.D.SHEPARD at state.or.us>, "SIMMONS Andrea.F" <
Andrea.F.Simmons at state.or.us>, Stephen Saltzman <stephen.saltzman at intel.com>,
STOCKS Keri <Keri.Stocks at state.or.us>, Susan Ziolko <
susanz at co.clackamas.or.us>, Ted Case <tcase at oreca.org>, Terry Hatch <
Terry at orpacneca.org>, THOMPSON Michael <Michael.THOMPSON at state.or.us>, Tim
Kutscha <tim_kutscha at yahoo.com>, Tim Melland <Expeditepdx at aol.com>, Tom
Andrews <AndrewsT at cleanwaterservices.org>, Tony Jobanek <
Tony.g.jobanek at ci.eugene.or.us>, Tony Mounts <tmounts at cityofsalem.net>,
VALENTINE Christine * GOV <Christine.Valentine at state.or.us>, WALLACE Rick <
Rick.Wallace at state.or.us>, WARNER Chris * ODOT <
Chris.WARNER at odot.state.or.us>, Warren Fish <Warren.fish at co.multnomah.or.us>,
Wes McWhorter <wes.mcwhorter at lcgpence.com>, WHITTY Jim <
Jim.WHITTY at odot.state.or.us>, Young Park <parky at trimet.org>, Cory Murman <
cmurman at inspecintl.com>, Doug Smith <dsmith at inspecintl.com>


 Yesterday, a group called the "Electrification Coalition" released a
sweeping report called the "Electrification Roadmap" outlining its vision
for the deployment of a fully integrated electric-drive transportation
system in the US. The report details the dangers of oil dependence, benefits
of electrification and describes some of the challenges facing electric cars.
It also asks for $124 billion in government incentives over the next eight
years including $13.5 billion for tax credits to build public charging
stations and $75 billion to be used to fund the consumer incentives to
purchase EVs.

The coalition includes Nissan, FedEx, Coulomb, AeroVironment, PG&E and
others.  You can download the full report (all 180 pages!!) at:
http://www.electrificationcoalition.org/index.php

The Washington Post article is at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/16/AR2009111603706.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

Art James
Innovative Partnerships Project Director
Oregon Department of Transportation
Direct: (503) 986-3858
Cell: (503) 369-3516
E-mail:    art.james at odot.state.or.us
Website: http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/HWY/OIPP/inn_ev-charging.shtml
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From AlphaWaveE at aol.com  Tue Nov 17 19:16:21 2009
From: AlphaWaveE at aol.com (AlphaWaveE at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:16:21 EST
Subject: [Oeva-list] Lower Collumbia College EVA promotion
Message-ID: <bd0.640c338e.3834c105@aol.com>

Hi my friends in OR,
 
This Thursday the 19th, We will have on display on campus, at the Student  
Center, one Gizmo, one Sparrow (thank you Paul), one Zero X, and SCORE!   
one Tesla provided by the kind gentleman from Seattle, Tom Saxton who will  
probably arrive about 12 noon.  I expect that around 1pm he will drive over  
to the automotive Technology building where he will charge up.  If you come  
during that time, I think it will be ok to go ahead and drop in briefly.   
There will be classes going on in there though during that time.
 
Also, the LCEVA is going to transition it's meetings to LCC beginning in  
December.  The first meeting is going to be Tuesday the 8th and after that,  
the rest of the meeting will be on our usually First Tuesday of the month  
starting at 6:30 for Show and Tell.
 
Have a great remainder of week.
 
Wade Patterson
(360) 425-6252
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From snipes8155 at charter.net  Tue Nov 17 20:37:01 2009
From: snipes8155 at charter.net (Linda Snipes)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:37:01 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list]  OEVA meeting road tour
Message-ID: <9481485CCBB34D688B8456D92483D999@OphirSnipes>

Hi'ya, Guys!

    This is Linda Snipes here to remind you all that, all I have at this point is an ICE to drive and I'm trying to get onboard with an EV of my own.  So, I'm driving my ICE to Portland to go to the only OEVA meeting place in the state to get an education and information with real people about something that is real important to me.  I am spreading the word around here (Gold Beach) and getting people excited and interested in the wonderful possibilities of EV vehicles.  I don't like driving my ICE anymore than I need to either, but I feel that it is a necessary evil to forward the movement. 
    I have discovered that there are 2 EV owners right here in Gold Beach.  I'll just bet that if people knew there was going to be a meeting take place in their own town (like Eugene) that more people locally, who have already changed their ICE vehicles over to EV's, would jump at the chance to drive to the temporary new meeting place to show and tell about their work.  
    I would be interested in bringing a meeting or two to Eugene, in the interest of starting a chapter there.  Thank You for your help!

                    Yours Truly, Linda Snipes.
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From richard.reinoehl at verizon.net  Tue Nov 17 20:44:50 2009
From: richard.reinoehl at verizon.net (richard.reinoehl at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:44:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 12
Message-ID: <1715970124.45279.1258519491004.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net>

Time to party!

Eat, chat, and feel good about what we?re up to in electric land.   This is our chance to visit AND eat delicious food.  We may even have some special guests, more on that later.  This is for our Thursday evening in December.

We have a $200 budget to spend on the main course, but we need some serious back-up when it comes to salads, deserts, and drinks.  So, please post to say what you?d like to bring.  If you have something special you?d prefer that isn?t a salad, desert, or drink, don?t worry ? every treat is welcome.  And, feel free to bring a guest or so.  OEVA is wide open to family and friends, especially when it comes to parties.

So, please either hit return to say what food and number of guests you?re bringing, or post me at rreinoehl9 at gmail.com.

Warmest,
Richard
Party Team



From evmail4ron at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 18 09:13:17 2009
From: evmail4ron at yahoo.com (Ron Jayasuriya)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:13:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting road tour
In-Reply-To: <cb6.5c82355a.3834707c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <235375.11346.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The idea of starting meetings in other towns may actually reduce the use of fossil fuel, because of the number of people who are starting to come to our meeting from as far away as Eugene.? 

My suggestion is that we, the oeva, help get meetings going in towns/cities where there is interest.? The idea is not for a lot of us to drive down there, but to help them get their own meeting going.? At first, it may help to take a vehicle or two down there, but even that may not be necessary, as there are some already there.? Also, there are several PHEV's that could go to Eugene using very little fuel.? If a few of us went, and carpooled in a PHEV, the fuel use would be minimal, and probably less than the amount used by the four or five people who came to our last meeting from Eugene (in more than one vehicle).

I think we should try to help them, but that's up to the group.? 
At the same time, it seems to me that they don't need our permission to get their own meeting going.

While we're on the subject, does anybody out there know what happened to the list of people interested in a Eugene meeting? 

Ron

--- On Tue, 11/17/09, Theoldcars at aol.com <Theoldcars at aol.com> wrote:

From: Theoldcars at aol.com <Theoldcars at aol.com>
Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting road tour
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:32 PM


 

I have mixed feelings on this one. The closest city on this list is around 50 miles the?next two?are about?75 to 120 miles. How many would be driving an EV?any of these?meetings?
?
Without seeing the response I would guess?most members?would use ICE vehicles. I like the idea but not if causes us to use more oil. Maybe I am extreme but I tried to eliminate my use of ICE as much as possible. 
So I am not thrilled about the idea of?having meetings that?would put more?ICE vehicles on the road. 
?
Don
?
In a message dated 11/17/2009 12:00:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes:
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:48:47 -0800
From: John Christian <john.p.christian at gmail.com>
Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting road tour
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Message-ID:
? ? <a12098090911171148g3cb7a811s2b23d302bdba747e at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Greetings OEVA members:

At this month's meeting several folks suggested that we bring an OEVA
meeting to Corvallis, Eugene, Salem, or Bend; thus making us truly the
OREGON Electric Vehicles Association. I am all for it and will be glad to
work on the logistics with you.

Who is interested and can help me get this going (for any city)?

Also, if there is anyone who knows about another city in Oregon or
Washington that we can help out by bringing in an EV presentation / meeting,
I would love to talk with you.

Thank you,
John P. Christian
OEVA Chair

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From jrab at e-m-w.com  Sun Nov 15 07:56:50 2009
From: jrab at e-m-w.com (John Benson)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:56:50 +0100
Subject: [Oeva-list] Renault display in Paris
References: <686119D3-55D4-4A2D-8139-55E2274EC7C9@invfx.com>
Message-ID: <39C460FF-04C1-4DDB-AA11-1883615424C5@e-m-w.com>

Hey there -

Tiny report from Europe... I hope in the US we have more prominent  
displays like this one from Renault in Paris, on the Champs ?lys?es.  
The showroom was packed (notice everyone trying to get in at the  
bottom right), and it wasn't a 'special' ev-ent. It was just another  
weekend. Granted, these are concept models, but they were pushing for  
2012 for getting them EV's out there. Come to think of it, there  
weren't even any other vehicles in the showroom, it was just for  
display. Anyway, they were all pretty wild concepts, so it was fun to  
see. The seats on the Zoe were like bean bag chairs, but the Eluence  
could have been any lexus type. Pretty great to see such a display in  
such a prominent place, even if it wasn't all real yet.

Cheers
JRAB


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From Art.JAMES at odot.state.or.us  Wed Nov 18 08:57:37 2009
From: Art.JAMES at odot.state.or.us (JAMES Art)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:57:37 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] [ev-cluster] Fwd: Revolutionizing Electric
	Transportation
In-Reply-To: <83b7b17c0911171830l139fb085icc0c8a88c774a3ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1997F6C7C4A04468AE49F44A15E11E60715F6A7@EX-SALEMREV-4.odot.state.or.us>
	<83b7b17c0911171830l139fb085icc0c8a88c774a3ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1997F6C7C4A04468AE49F44A15E11E60715F6B1@EX-SALEMREV-4.odot.state.or.us>

Jeff -
 
It actually is a terrific compilation of information on moving out
transportation system away from oil and toward electric propulsion.  If
you read nothing else, the 10-page executive summary gives the
highlights and summarizes the significant recommendations (some of which
the Alt Fuels Infrastructure Group might want to consider).
 
I personally don't agree with some of the positions articulated (like
their propensity toward nuclear-generated electricity) but it is as
comprehensive a report on the subject matter that I've seen.
 

Art 


________________________________

From: Jeff Kim [mailto:jeff.shorepower at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:30 PM
To: ev-cluster at googlegroups.com; oeva-list at oeva.org
Subject: [ev-cluster] Fwd: Revolutionizing Electric Transportation


Looks like a great report, but I'm not sure that I'll have time to read
it all. 

Jeff Kim
President
Shorepower Technologies
2351 NW York Street
Portland, OR 97210
Office (503) 892-7345
Mobile (503) 686-8844
Fax (503) 802-7347
jkim at shorepower.com 
www.shorepower.com



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: JAMES Art <Art.JAMES at odot.state.or.us>
Date: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Subject: Revolutionizing Electric Transportation
To: WARNER Chris * ODOT <Chris.WARNER at odot.state.or.us>
Cc: Richard Reinoehl <richard.reinoehl at verizon.net>, ACHTERMAN Gail <
gail.achterman at oregonstate.edu>, Alex Cuyler <
Alex.cuyler at co.lane.or.us>, ALLEN Patrick <Patrick.Allen at state.or.us>,
Amy Ruiz <Amy.ruiz at ci.portland.or.us>, Angus Duncan <
angusduncan at b-e-f.org>, Annie Gorski <agorski at cityofsalem.net>, AVERBECK
Lynn <Lynn.AVERBECK at odot.state.or.us>, Ben Altman <baltman at sfadg.com>,
BERNARD Hans * GOV <Hans.BERNARD at state.or.us>, Bill Scott <
bscott at zipcar.com>, Bill Welch <Bill.welch at eweb.org>, Bob Parker <
rgp at uoregon.edu>, Bob Topping <rtopping at chemeketa.edu>, Brad Hippert <
brad.hippert at porteon.net>, BRADY Mark <Mark.Brady at state.or.us>, BROUWER
Travis <Travis.BROUWER at odot.state.or.us>, Cam Gilmour <
camgil at co.clackamas.or.us>, CAREY Virginia K <
Virginia.K.CAREY at odot.state.or.us>, Charles George <
Charles.george at nike.com>, Charlie Allcock <Charlie.Allcock at pgn.com>,
Charlie Tomlinson <mayor at council.ci.corvallis.or.us>, Cheryl Gribskov <
Cheryl at oregontic.com>, Chris Bakken <chris at synkromotive.com>, Cindy
Troupe <TROUPE.Cindy at deq.state.or.us>, Clay Neal <
clay.neal at ci.portland.or.us>, CLEMENTS Dennis L <
Dennis.L.Clements at state.or.us>, COLLIER David <
David.COLLIER at state.or.us>, Curtis Coronado <
gm at thelodgeatsuttlelake.com>, Dale Garcia <dale.garcia at pgn.com>, Dan
Bower <Dan.Bower at pdxtrans.org>, Dan Blue <dan.blue at ci.gresham.or.us>,
Dave Baker <dbaker at cjatc.org>, Dave Mayfield <
Dave.mayfield at coganowens.com>, David Steves <
david.steves at registerguard.com>, David Waffle <
DWaffle at ci.cornelius.or.us>, Dick Sheehy <Dick.sheehy at ch2m.com>, Don
Thomson <dcthomson at cityofsalem.net>, Duncan Wyse <
dwyse at orbusinesscouncil.org>, DURRENBERGER Ed <
Ed.Durrenberger at state.or.us>, Eben Polk <epolk at co.clackamas.or.us>,
Elizabeth Dickenson <Elizabeth_dickenson at ous.edu>, Eric Schmidt <
eschmidt at aocweb.org>, ERICKSON Bruce D <
Bruce.D.ERICKSON at odot.state.or.us>, Erik Andersson <
Erik.andersson at pacificorp.com>, Erik Siemers <esiemers at bizjournals.com>,
FRETWELL Kent * SSD Fleet <Kent.Fretwell at state.or.us>, FREY Kari A <
Kari.A.FREY at odot.state.or.us>, Gabrielle Schiffer <
gabrielle.m.schiffer at state.or.us>, Gary Brentano <
Gbrentano at ci.beaverton.or.us>, Gary Kanz <GKANZ at cityofsalem.net>, George
Beard <gbeard at pdx.edu>, George Cartales <georgic at ci.hillsboro.or.us>,
George Marlton <George_Marlton at ous.edu>, GITT Forrest O <
Forrest.O.GITT at odot.state.or.us>, Greg Sparks <
greg.sparks at portofportland.com>, HAMILTON Nancy J * GOV <
Nancy.J.HAMILTON at state.or.us>, James Mast <mastj at pdc.us>, Janet Lonneker
<JLonneker at forestgrove-or.gov>, Jay Rogers <Jay.rogers at pdxtrans.org>,
Jeannine Parisi <Jeannine.PARISI at eweb.org>, Jeff Baer <
jbaer at ci.portland.or.us>, Jeff Cogen <jeff.cogen at co.multnomah.or.us>,
Jeff Kim <jeff.shorepower at gmail.com>, Jim Huckestein <
Jim.Huckestein at linnbenton.edu>, Jim Mitchell <
Jim.Mitchell at ci.corvallis.or.us>, Joe Brusda <
joe at mcelectricvehicles.com>, Joe Esmonde <joe at ibew48.com>, John
Christian <john.p.christian at gmail.com>, John Hunt <
jhunt at ci.portland.or.us>, John MacArthur <macarthur at pdx.edu>, Josh
Rogers <Joshua.rogers at das.state.or.us>, Joshua Proudfoot <
joshua.proudfoot at goodcompany.com>, Joshua Skov <
Joshua.skov at goodcompany.com>, Justin Fleming <
Justin.fleming at oregonstate.edu>, Karen Black <KBlack at omsi.edu>, Karl
Dinger <karldi at ci.hillsboro.or.us>, Kathy Ging <kathy at kathyging.com>,
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lnorris at cityofsalem.net>, Luanne Richey <lrichey at sdao.com>, LUTTKUS
Christopher M <Christopher.M.LUTTKUS at state.or.us>, Lynn Peterson <
lynnpet at co.clackamas.or.us>, Melissa Brandao <
mbrandao at ambientemotors.com>, Michael Clark <
clark at pacificintermedia.com>, Michael Johns <
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michael at watershedcom.com>, Michele Crim <mcrim at ci.portland.or.us>, Mike
Dockendorf <drgoldwing at gmail.com>, MOLLER Debbie <
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paulo at owenmedia.com>, PEARSON Jill L <Jill.L.PEARSON at odot.state.or.us>,
Peter Brandom <peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us>, Peter Hurley <
peter.hurley at trans.ci.portland.or.us>, Phil Ralston <
Philip.ralston at portofportland.com>, Rainmar Bartl <
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Young Park <parky at trimet.org>, Cory Murman <cmurman at inspecintl.com>,
Doug Smith <dsmith at inspecintl.com>



Yesterday, a group called the "Electrification Coalition" released a
sweeping report called the "Electrification Roadmap" outlining its
vision for the deployment of a fully integrated electric-drive
transportation system in the US. The report details the dangers of oil
dependence, benefits of electrification and describes some of the
challenges facing electric cars.  It also asks for $124 billion in
government incentives over the next eight years including $13.5 billion
for tax credits to build public charging stations and $75 billion to be
used to fund the consumer incentives to purchase EVs. 
 
The coalition includes Nissan, FedEx, Coulomb, AeroVironment, PG&E and
others.  You can download the full report (all 180 pages!!) at: 
http://www.electrificationcoalition.org/index.php 
 
The Washington Post article is at: 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/16/AR200911
1603706.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR 
 
Art James
Innovative Partnerships Project Director
Oregon Department of Transportation
Direct: (503) 986-3858
Cell: (503) 369-3516
E-mail:    art.james at odot.state.or.us 
Website: http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/HWY/OIPP/inn_ev-charging.shtml

 

 


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From Art.JAMES at odot.state.or.us  Wed Nov 18 09:02:24 2009
From: Art.JAMES at odot.state.or.us (JAMES Art)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:02:24 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Portland Charging Station Sign
In-Reply-To: <83b7b17c0911171811s29670a1t942b40425c90676d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c28d7b50911162334y58b70367lc15c9aff2572e6b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<83b7b17c0911171811s29670a1t942b40425c90676d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1997F6C7C4A04468AE49F44A15E11E60715F6B2@EX-SALEMREV-4.odot.state.or.us>

No, it is not.
 
John/George - Do you know how to get this removed from the Project Get
Ready website?
 
Art James
Innovative Partnerships Project Director
Oregon Department of Transportation
Direct: (503) 986-3858

 
________________________________

From: Jeff Kim [mailto:jeff.shorepower at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:12 PM
To: JAMES Art; Rick Durst; Oppenheim, Shoshanah; WALLACE Rick
Cc: patrick0101 at gmail.com
Subject: Fwd: [Oeva-list] Portland Charging Station Sign

Can anyone confirm if this sign is "official". 

Jeff Kim
President
Shorepower Technologies
2351 NW York Street
Portland, OR 97210
Office (503) 892-7345
Mobile (503) 686-8844
Fax (503) 802-7347
jkim at shorepower.com 
www.shorepower.com



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <patrick0101 at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Subject: [Oeva-list] Portland Charging Station Sign
To: OEVA <oeva-list at oeva.org>


http://projectgetready.com/docs/ev_signs.pdf
http://projectgetready.com/resources/portlands-ev-sign

Can anyone confirm that this is official and final?

Regards,
Pat
With Great Power, Comes Great Current and High Voltage   =D~

_______________________________________________
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Oeva-list at oeva.org
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From john.p.christian at intel.com  Wed Nov 18 10:19:42 2009
From: john.p.christian at intel.com (Christian, John P)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:19:42 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Portland Charging Station Sign
In-Reply-To: <E1997F6C7C4A04468AE49F44A15E11E60715F6B2@EX-SALEMREV-4.odot.state.or.us>
References: <8c28d7b50911162334y58b70367lc15c9aff2572e6b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<83b7b17c0911171811s29670a1t942b40425c90676d@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1997F6C7C4A04468AE49F44A15E11E60715F6B2@EX-SALEMREV-4.odot.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <AC12C1DED5AEB24FAD16EB849F87BA9D0424903151@azsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

Art,

I went to the Ready, Set, Go website and found that it is supported by the Rocky Mountain Institute. I called them and spoke to a few people explaining your concerns. I have left a voice mail with the project manager for Ready, Set, Go and expect to get a method for properly submitting your request which I will share as soon as it arrives. My goal is to connect you and the folks that maintain this web site and ensure that you have a direct link with these folks and can manage what information is distributed.

Best regards,

John P. Christian
(503) 712-8147 - desk
(503) 704-2155 - mobile


________________________________
From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of JAMES Art
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:02 AM
To: Jeff Kim; Rick Durst; Oppenheim, Shoshanah; WALLACE Rick
Cc: macarthur at pdx.edu; Oeva-list at oeva.org; gbeard at pdx.edu
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Portland Charging Station Sign

No, it is not.

John/George - Do you know how to get this removed from the Project Get Ready website?

Art James
Innovative Partnerships Project Director
Oregon Department of Transportation
Direct: (503) 986-3858
[cid:image001.jpg at 01CA6838.72501A70]
________________________________
From: Jeff Kim [mailto:jeff.shorepower at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:12 PM
To: JAMES Art; Rick Durst; Oppenheim, Shoshanah; WALLACE Rick
Cc: patrick0101 at gmail.com
Subject: Fwd: [Oeva-list] Portland Charging Station Sign
Can anyone confirm if this sign is "official".

Jeff Kim
President
Shorepower Technologies
2351 NW York Street
Portland, OR 97210
Office (503) 892-7345
Mobile (503) 686-8844
Fax (503) 802-7347
jkim at shorepower.com<mailto:jkim at shorepower.com>
www.shorepower.com<http://www.shorepower.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <patrick0101 at gmail.com<mailto:patrick0101 at gmail.com>>
Date: Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Subject: [Oeva-list] Portland Charging Station Sign
To: OEVA <oeva-list at oeva.org<mailto:oeva-list at oeva.org>>


http://projectgetready.com/docs/ev_signs.pdf
http://projectgetready.com/resources/portlands-ev-sign

Can anyone confirm that this is official and final?

Regards,
Pat
With Great Power, Comes Great Current and High Voltage   =D~

_______________________________________________
Oeva-list mailing list
Oeva-list at oeva.org<mailto:Oeva-list at oeva.org>
http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list

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From jhmacart at pdx.edu  Wed Nov 18 10:33:54 2009
From: jhmacart at pdx.edu (John MacArthur)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:33:54 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Portland Charging Station Sign
In-Reply-To: <E1997F6C7C4A04468AE49F44A15E11E60715F6B2@EX-SALEMREV-4.odot.state.or.us>
References: <8c28d7b50911162334y58b70367lc15c9aff2572e6b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<83b7b17c0911171811s29670a1t942b40425c90676d@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1997F6C7C4A04468AE49F44A15E11E60715F6B2@EX-SALEMREV-4.odot.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <4B043E12.30804@pdx.edu>

Art is correct.  It is nowhere near final.   I will talk with the RMI 
folks to remove this from the website.

___________________

John MacArthur

/Sustainable Transportation Program Manager/

*OTREC*

Oregon Transportation Research and Education Consortium

1930 SW Fourth Ave., Suite 300 | Mail: P.O. Box 751, Portland, OR 
97207-0751 |

Email: macarthur at pdx.edu <mailto:macarthur at pdx.edu>  | Tel. 503-725-2866 
| www.otrec.us <http://www.otrec.us>

 

 

 



On 11/18/2009 9:02 AM, JAMES Art wrote:
> No, it is not.
>  
> John/George - Do you know how to get this removed from the Project Get 
> Ready website?
>  
> Art James
> Innovative Partnerships Project Director
> Oregon Department of Transportation
> Direct: (503) 986-3858
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Jeff Kim [mailto:jeff.shorepower at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:12 PM
> *To:* JAMES Art; Rick Durst; Oppenheim, Shoshanah; WALLACE Rick
> *Cc:* patrick0101 at gmail.com
> *Subject:* Fwd: [Oeva-list] Portland Charging Station Sign
> Can anyone confirm if this sign is "official".
>
> Jeff Kim
> President
> Shorepower Technologies
> 2351 NW York Street
> Portland, OR 97210
> Office (503) 892-7345
> Mobile (503) 686-8844
> Fax (503) 802-7347
> jkim at shorepower.com <mailto:jkim at shorepower.com>
> www.shorepower.com <http://www.shorepower.com>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <patrick0101 at gmail.com <mailto:patrick0101 at gmail.com>>
> Date: Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:34 PM
> Subject: [Oeva-list] Portland Charging Station Sign
> To: OEVA <oeva-list at oeva.org <mailto:oeva-list at oeva.org>>
>
>
> http://projectgetready.com/docs/ev_signs.pdf
> http://projectgetready.com/resources/portlands-ev-sign
>
> Can anyone confirm that this is official and final?
>
> Regards,
> Pat
> With Great Power, Comes Great Current and High Voltage   =D~
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org <mailto:Oeva-list at oeva.org>
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>
>

From richard.reinoehl at verizon.net  Wed Nov 18 20:59:49 2009
From: richard.reinoehl at verizon.net (richard.reinoehl at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:59:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Party
Message-ID: <1153233193.125057.1258606789486.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net>


I'll be bringing a Seared Green Bean Salad and one guest.

Richard

From Theoldcars at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 11:07:07 2009
From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:07:07 EST
Subject: [Oeva-list] TheEVproject.com
Message-ID: <d69.52ca73c2.3836f15b@aol.com>

This link was sent to me by another S-10 EV owner. Did I miss this being 
post here before?
 
_http://www.theevproject.com/_ (http://www.theevproject.com/) 
 
Were on the map for 2010.
 
Don Blazer
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From Theoldcars at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 11:51:15 2009
From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:51:15 EST
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV meeting in Eugene
Message-ID: <d46.4cd605b5.3836fbb3@aol.com>

 
Hello Linda 
 
There are a lot of EV drivers in Eugene some are on the list. I can put you 
in touch with many more that are not members. I believe there is enough 
people in the Eugene area for it to start another chapter or at least for local 
OEVA meetings. Let me know and I can put you in touch with others in Eugene 
that would be a big help for you make this possible.
 
When this was first proposed it sounded like we were moving the meetings 
from Portland to other locations. If this is not the case as long as the 
meetings are on not the same days I think this is a very good thing.
 
I can drive to Eugene but I would have to charge for 5 to 6 hours with 240 
volts to make it back. Are there any other EVs that can make the trip to 
Eugene?
 
Don
 
In a message dated 11/18/2009 9:59:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes:

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:37:01 -0800
From: "Linda Snipes" <snipes8155 at charter.net>
Subject: [Oeva-list]  OEVA meeting road tour
To: <oeva-list at oeva.org>
Message-ID: <9481485CCBB34D688B8456D92483D999 at OphirSnipes>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi'ya, Guys!

This is Linda Snipes here to remind you all that, all I have at this point 
is an ICE to drive and I'm trying to get onboard with an EV of my own.  So, 
I'm driving my ICE to Portland to go to the only OEVA meeting place in the 
state to get an education and information with real people about something 
that is real important to me.  I am spreading the word around here (Gold 
Beach) and getting people excited and interested in the wonderful possibilities 
of EV vehicles.  I don't like driving my ICE anymore than I need to either, 
but I feel that it is a necessary evil to forward the movement. 
I have discovered that there are 2 EV owners right here in Gold Beach.  
I'll just bet that if people knew there was going to be a meeting take place in 
their own town (like Eugene) that more people locally, who have already 
changed their ICE vehicles over to EV's, would jump at the chance to drive to 
the temporary new meeting place to show and tell about their work.  
I would be interested in bringing a meeting or two to Eugene, in the 
interest of starting a chapter there.  Thank You for your help!

Yours Truly, Linda Snipes.


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From Theoldcars at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 13:06:38 2009
From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:06:38 EST
Subject: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 13
Message-ID: <c09.70641973.38370d5e@aol.com>

 
Hello Ron
 
Thanks for pointing this out I was not aware that drivers like Linda were 
driving hundreds of miles to Portland for a meeting. 
 
"The idea of starting meetings in other towns may actually reduce the use 
of fossil fuel, because of the number of people who are starting to come to 
our meeting from as far away as Eugene.?"
 
Anything we can do that helps reduce ICE use and promote EVs should be 
supported by the OEVA. So I agree with you.
 
Don
 
 
In a message dated 11/18/2009 9:59:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes:

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:13:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Ron Jayasuriya <evmail4ron at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] OEVA meeting road tour
To: oeva-list at oeva.org, Theoldcars at aol.com
Message-ID: <235375.11346.qm at web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

The idea of starting meetings in other towns may actually reduce the use of 
fossil fuel, because of the number of people who are starting to come to 
our meeting from as far away as Eugene.? 

My suggestion is that we, the oeva, help get meetings going in towns/cities 
where there is interest.? The idea is not for a lot of us to drive down 
there, but to help them get their own meeting going.? At first, it may help to 
take a vehicle or two down there, but even that may not be necessary, as 
there are some already there.? Also, there are several PHEV's that could go to 
Eugene using very little fuel.? If a few of us went, and carpooled in a 
PHEV, the fuel use would be minimal, and probably less than the amount used by 
the four or five people who came to our last meeting from Eugene (in more 
than one vehicle).

I think we should try to help them, but that's up to the group.? 
At the same time, it seems to me that they don't need our permission to get 
their own meeting going.

While we're on the subject, does anybody out there know what happened to 
the list of people interested in a Eugene meeting? 

Ron


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From alan at batie.org  Thu Nov 19 14:49:18 2009
From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:49:18 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV meeting in Eugene
In-Reply-To: <d46.4cd605b5.3836fbb3@aol.com>
References: <d46.4cd605b5.3836fbb3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B05CB6E.8030109@batie.org>

Theoldcars at aol.com wrote:

> There are a lot of EV drivers in Eugene some are on the list. I can put
> you in touch with many more that are not members. I believe there is
> enough people in the Eugene area for it to start another chapter or at
> least for local OEVA meetings. Let me know and I can put you in touch
> with others in Eugene that would be a big help for you make this possible.

There is a group in Corvallis that meets sporadically; when I went to
the Lane County Home Show to see the Arcimoto, they offered to have a
factory tour some evening.  That sounds like a good opportunity for a
regional meeting...

> When this was first proposed it sounded like we were moving the meetings
> from Portland to other locations. If this is not the case as long as the
> meetings are on not the same days I think this is a very good thing.

I inferred it was a one-shot/occasional thing...
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From phil at hochstetler.com  Fri Nov 20 11:06:33 2009
From: phil at hochstetler.com (phil hochstetler)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:06:33 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] 1984 mazda EV project - $300 (Beaverton Bethany)
Message-ID: <37a5993b0911201106u635ad91ck5ad00a2a1c5049de@mail.gmail.com>

Spotted on Craigslist.

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1473897622.html

From phil at hochstetler.com  Fri Nov 20 11:31:00 2009
From: phil at hochstetler.com (phil hochstetler)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:31:00 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Aptera Meltdown?
Message-ID: <37a5993b0911201131s3c6ea8b4w29c183fa4944bcdf@mail.gmail.com>

link:

http://gas2.org/2009/11/20/aptera-troubles-get-the-full-inside-story-here/

--phil

From ken at peakfoto.com  Sat Nov 21 11:31:14 2009
From: ken at peakfoto.com (Peakfoto Digital Photo Still n Video)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:31:14 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, eugene EV meeting
Message-ID: <55060B9EB9A740FABD88B8ED9A78D9AC.MAI@exovian.net>

- theres aready a group down there .....


From richard.reinoehl at verizon.net  Sat Nov 21 15:08:02 2009
From: richard.reinoehl at verizon.net (richard.reinoehl at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:08:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] eugene EV meeting
Message-ID: <20925259.6138.1258844882996.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net>


Since there's aready a group down there I'm thinking it would great to develop our relationship with them.  What sort of contact do we have with them - a name or phone number??

Richard


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From greenerwheels at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 14:18:16 2009
From: greenerwheels at gmail.com (steve boser)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:18:16 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list]  Looking for a GE Elec-Trak
Message-ID: <62256f590911221418k24dc5918j375fd025ef032125@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

I was hoping to find someone locally that has a GE Elec-Trak garden
tractor that is in need of repair that the owner would be willing to
part with. I think it would make for a nice winter project and would
be able to use it in the spring as well as make it a learning
experience.

Thanks

Steve

From pkollas at comcast.net  Mon Nov 23 12:57:06 2009
From: pkollas at comcast.net (Philip Kollas)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:57:06 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Anyone familiar with this battery-balancing system?
Message-ID: <C7303722.1BA8%pkollas@comcast.net>

Hi,

Has anyone used, or otherwise learned about first-hand, the PowerCheq
battery balancers?  I?ve looked at the info available from Grants Pass
Electric Vehicles (GPEV) as a source for my Zap Xebra pickup, but I have
little other info about this source or the brand name.  Can anyone shed any
light on this?

Here?s their link for this product:
http://shop.gpev.us/product.sc?productId=100&categoryId=3


Also, I noted on the GPEV site that they encourage volume orders at a
discount.  If anyone else is interested?and if the product is worthwhile?we
might be able to scrounge up a discount for even a couple of orders at once,
given the state of the economy.  For rough planning purposes, a six-battery
pack would need five of the PowerCheq units, which works out to about $354
for the set.  That?s for a solo order; I don?t yet know what kind of pricing
they would offer for multiple orders sent in at once.  I?ve written to them
to inquire but don?t have a reply yet.

Thoughts?

Cheers,
Philip Kollas
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From gary at whitecape.org  Mon Nov 23 13:33:45 2009
From: gary at whitecape.org (Gary Graunke)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:33:45 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Anyone familiar with this battery-balancing system?
In-Reply-To: <C7303722.1BA8%pkollas@comcast.net>
References: <C7303722.1BA8%pkollas@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B0AFFB9.5000603@whitecape.org>

Victor Tikhonov and I have both used Powercheq modules some time ago. 
Mine were beta units, and I had 50 of them for two 26-12V battery 
strings in my old S10 pickup.

I later put them in a 20 12V battery string in my Insight (which is now 
using LiFEPO4 A123 cells, so I can't use the 12V powercheqs very well).

I still have a bunch of these older units. The newer units seem to be 
the same, but have integrated two ATC automotive fuses on the + and - 
leads (but not the middle lead).

I have recommended them for the Zap, though the 2A limit seems a bit too 
small for the large AH batteries in the Zap. One could always put two in 
parallel.

They work quite well--the move charges from the batteries as they 
increase in voltage. If you are stuck, you can rest for 1/2 an hour a go 
a bit further. Normally, if you have park somewhere without charging, it 
will continue to equalize so that you go farther before the weakest 
battery runs out.

Caveats: For long strings (26 or 28 batteries), a slight bias to the + 
battery accumulates, and so the most positive battery is charged more 
than the most - one in a long string. This can unbalance your pack. 
However, it is not a problem for smaller packs such as the ZAP.

The powercheq module has no way to slow down the charger, so if the 
batteries are really out of balance, they are not powerful enough to 
shuttle the excess of a full constant current phase amperage to prevent 
overcharging. However, if your batteries are reasonably balanced to 
begin with, they will keep them that way!

I have also used Rudman regs, and I find that Powercheqs are better at 
keeping the battery below the maximum voltage (the regs wait until it 
goes up too high and then bring it back down), but the regs have many 
other advantages (especially if linked to a PFC charger to shut it 
off/slow it down).

I'm also still waiting for a Hart balancer to try that approach. I would 
also like to make a parallel system using telephone DC-DC converters to 
do the equalization more efficiently than the powercheqs (direct from 
all to lowest vs bucket brigade).

Again, I have some that I could part with if someone wants to add their 
own fuses to offer the protection. I have them connected to a 3-pin 
Molex to facilitate easy removal or replacement when working on the 
pack. I paid $40 each for them some time ago.

Summary--the powercheq modules are a simple and effective solution. 
There is no excuse why Zap should not have *some* kind of battery 
management system, and the powercheqs are an example of how easy it is 
to do a decent job protecting the batteries against overcharge and 
imbalance.

Gary

Philip Kollas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone used, or otherwise learned about first-hand, the PowerCheq 
> battery balancers? I?ve looked at the info available from Grants Pass 
> Electric Vehicles (GPEV) as a source for my Zap Xebra pickup, but I 
> have little other info about this source or the brand name. Can anyone 
> shed any light on this?
>
> Here?s their link for this product: 
> http://shop.gpev.us/product.sc?productId=100&categoryId=3 
> <http://shop.gpev.us/product.sc?productId=100&categoryId=3>
>
>
> Also, I noted on the GPEV site that they encourage volume orders at a 
> discount. If anyone else is interested?and if the product is 
> worthwhile?we might be able to scrounge up a discount for even a 
> couple of orders at once, given the state of the economy. For rough 
> planning purposes, a six-battery pack would need five of the PowerCheq 
> units, which works out to about $354 for the set. That?s for a solo 
> order; I don?t yet know what kind of pricing they would offer for 
> multiple orders sent in at once. I?ve written to them to inquire but 
> don?t have a reply yet.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheers,
> Philip Kollas
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From dannyb61 at comcast.net  Mon Nov 23 16:28:20 2009
From: dannyb61 at comcast.net (Dan Bortel)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:28:20 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Looking for a GE Elec-Trak
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1259006406.22962.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.15.1259006406.22962.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <40A4F3174842432084CF3438D53F0DD5@office1>


Steve,

There's a guy in Salem that has several of them. They are all in need of
restoration. I expect he would let one go for somewhere in the $500 range
(about the going price for dead ones now days). I can find his name and
address for you if you really want to do this.

Most of the Elek-Trak corpses I have seen out there have significant battery
corrosion problems and would need a lot of 'body work'. Also, they are old
technology as far as the controller, etc. In addition, you will probably
have well over $1000 in one to bring it back to good condition. That makes
it a collector's item, and not something you would want to do your yard work
with.

What I would suggest is that you do something more like what John Wayland
did with the 'Heavy Metal Garden Tractor'. http://www.evalbum.com/38 You can
get a large donor garden tractor for cheap and redo it with a modern
controller and motor (like an Altrex and a B&S Etek) for less money and have
a lot more power (power is good). Also it would be your own custom product. 

I have a large Sears donor setting out back that I was going to do just
that, but have never gotten around to it. It doesn't have a mowing deck, but
you can have it if you want it, and are sure you will do the conversion.

Dan Bortel

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:18:16 -0800
From: steve boser <greenerwheels at gmail.com>
Subject: [Oeva-list]  Looking for a GE Elec-Trak
To: Oeva-list at oeva.org
Message-ID:
	<62256f590911221418k24dc5918j375fd025ef032125 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi all

I was hoping to find someone locally that has a GE Elec-Trak garden
tractor that is in need of repair that the owner would be willing to
part with. I think it would make for a nice winter project and would
be able to use it in the spring as well as make it a learning
experience.

Thanks

Steve



From richard.reinoehl at verizon.net  Tue Nov 24 02:03:41 2009
From: richard.reinoehl at verizon.net (richard.reinoehl at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:03:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Information request
Message-ID: <614109489.31256.1259057021300.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net>

Folks,

If anyone knows  Carl Watkins or John Stephens please respond to Charles Marsh.  See post below.


"Hi Richard,

No, I have not heard anything from anyone else.  You are the first person I have contacted.  The main reason I am interested in the company is that they are supposed to have an exclusive marketing deal with EEStor for their new energy storage device for two and three wheeled vehicles.  I do not know if you have heard of it before, it is called an EESU.  It is a super capacitor like device that, for this application, is supposed to be 24v, store 26Ahrs , and recharge in 90 sec.   Carl Watkins heads the company and John Stephens is exec. VP.
That is all I know about them.  I tried to contact them about a week ago using their E-mail address, but did not receive a response.  If one or both of these two gentlemen are members of your organization, please let me know.  i would appreciate if they would respond to my E-mail message.   

Thanks,
 Charles Marsh <cmarsh777 at gmail.com>"

From richard.reinoehl at verizon.net  Wed Nov 25 00:56:48 2009
From: richard.reinoehl at verizon.net (richard.reinoehl at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:56:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Party - music
Message-ID: <245490779.14316.1259139408458.JavaMail.root@vms228.mailsrvcs.net>

Party

Someone suggested the possibility of some live music at our party.  We don't have the money for a band, but I understand that a few  of us do have some musical talent.  Is anyone interested in bringing an instrument to jam around a little?  I'm happy to bring a hand drum and some marimbas to help hold down the beat.  Anyone musically inclined?  No one need be a great musician, this is just for fun.  Post me privately if you wish.

Richard


From stevel at fern.com  Wed Nov 25 21:57:10 2009
From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:57:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Interesting product for wiring an EV project car.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1259092807.80037.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.9.1259092807.80037.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.0911252150500.29981@hub.fern.com>

I don't know if this has been discussed on the list... but it looks like
an interesting way to wire an EV project car.

<http://www.isispower.com/index.html>

I've not used one..

Steve L.

From ken at fivestarguitars.com  Thu Nov 26 10:50:44 2009
From: ken at fivestarguitars.com (Ken Potter)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:50:44 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Party - music
In-Reply-To: <245490779.14316.1259139408458.JavaMail.root@vms228.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <245490779.14316.1259139408458.JavaMail.root@vms228.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <ff708f790911261050s2606586ft7f8c76d61cc3685d@mail.gmail.com>

I could bring an acoustic guitar.

Ken

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:56 AM, <richard.reinoehl at verizon.net> wrote:

> Party
>
> Someone suggested the possibility of some live music at our party.  We
> don't have the money for a band, but I understand that a few  of us do have
> some musical talent.  Is anyone interested in bringing an instrument to jam
> around a little?  I'm happy to bring a hand drum and some marimbas to help
> hold down the beat.  Anyone musically inclined?  No one need be a great
> musician, this is just for fun.  Post me privately if you wish.
>
> Richard
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Oeva-list at oeva.org
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From pusa411 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 12:18:06 2009
From: pusa411 at gmail.com (PREMIUM-USA)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:18:06 -0500
Subject: [Oeva-list] ISIS System
Message-ID: <793086120911261218g85abfd4mb03723db964db72a@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice digital tech.. but at least $1200 for their goodies..

An easy way to do one off kits / designs

A HAPPY TURKEY DAY TO ALL YOUALL..  :')~~
...

THX..
            Daniel T "Bubba" Conway

Premium-Opto
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From ether_scape at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 26 19:22:35 2009
From: ether_scape at yahoo.com (S. Jain)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:22:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] RAV4 EV motor?
Message-ID: <612925.54700.qm@web43132.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

hi there- I'm new to the list so forgive me if my etiquette is incorrect. I've been contemplating an EV conversion and would like to know if anyone has seen where a RAV4 EV drivetrain could be purchased. I'm interested in the one from the stock EV, including electronics, but not necessarily batteries. Any help would be most appreciated.

thanks!
 shashi



      

From richard.reinoehl at verizon.net  Fri Nov 27 01:32:44 2009
From: richard.reinoehl at verizon.net (richard.reinoehl at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:32:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Party - music
Message-ID: <8128694.24890.1259314364913.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net>

Ken,

That would be sweet.  Anyone else musically inclined?

Richard
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I could bring an acoustic guitar.

Ken

From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 15:02:28 2009
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:02:28 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] The Great Green March
Message-ID: <8c28d7b50911271502o494e692y235b16a97efce551@mail.gmail.com>

http://greatgreenmarch.com/

A walk, bike, alt-fuel trip starting in the spring of 2011 from Portland to
D.C.

It would be cool to have an EV or two in the first leg.

Regards,
Pat
With Great Power, Comes Great Current and High Voltage   =D~
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From jerry.mcintire at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 21:18:21 2009
From: jerry.mcintire at gmail.com (Jerry McIntire)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:18:21 -0600
Subject: [Oeva-list] Looking for a GE Elec-Trak
In-Reply-To: <40A4F3174842432084CF3438D53F0DD5@office1>
References: <mailman.15.1259006406.22962.oeva-list@oeva.org>
	<40A4F3174842432084CF3438D53F0DD5@office1>
Message-ID: <a7b09a240911272118u1462d4fah233eda50f7924c0@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

They are collector's items, but they are still regularly doing yard work for
a number of people. $1000 give or take for one with a 42", three motor
mowing deck, in good running condition. Not all of them have corrosion
problems. In Wisconsin, I have a neighbor who has been using his Elec Trak
for over thirty years to mow his acre and a half. I also have a friend who
uses one on his farm almost daily. Mine has a plow blade and snow blower
along with the mower deck.

Jerry

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Dan Bortel <dannyb61 at comcast.net> wrote:

>
> Steve,
>
> There's a guy in Salem that has several of them. They are all in need of
> restoration. I expect he would let one go for somewhere in the $500 range
> (about the going price for dead ones now days). I can find his name and
> address for you if you really want to do this.
>
> Most of the Elek-Trak corpses I have seen out there have significant
> battery
> corrosion problems and would need a lot of 'body work'. Also, they are old
> technology as far as the controller, etc. In addition, you will probably
> have well over $1000 in one to bring it back to good condition. That makes
> it a collector's item, and not something you would want to do your yard
> work
> with.
>
> What I would suggest is that you do something more like what John Wayland
> did with the 'Heavy Metal Garden Tractor'. http://www.evalbum.com/38 You
> can
> get a large donor garden tractor for cheap and redo it with a modern
> controller and motor (like an Altrex and a B&S Etek) for less money and
> have
> a lot more power (power is good). Also it would be your own custom product.
>
> I have a large Sears donor setting out back that I was going to do just
> that, but have never gotten around to it. It doesn't have a mowing deck,
> but
> you can have it if you want it, and are sure you will do the conversion.
>
> Dan Bortel
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:18:16 -0800
> From: steve boser <greenerwheels at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Oeva-list]  Looking for a GE Elec-Trak
> To: Oeva-list at oeva.org
> Message-ID:
>        <62256f590911221418k24dc5918j375fd025ef032125 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi all
>
> I was hoping to find someone locally that has a GE Elec-Trak garden
> tractor that is in need of repair that the owner would be willing to
> part with. I think it would make for a nice winter project and would
> be able to use it in the spring as well as make it a learning
> experience.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 01:57:21 2009
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:57:21 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon EV News
Message-ID: <8c28d7b50911290157s6877af65g89362bf0a56d08c8@mail.gmail.com>

http://portland.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2009/09/21/story3.html

Regards,
Pat
With Great Power, Comes Great Current and High Voltage   =D~
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