[Oeva-list] I think the list would enjoy this.. Please list..

[David Buzzelli]

Your link (snopes) does not support your claim that this posting "is
mostly false" at all.  Your link references fuel consumption savings and
payback/breakeven estimates and this posting refers to layout costs,
taxes, and dealer pricing games.
 
Although you think it may be funny, it is not to many concerned
citizens.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On
Behalf Of patrick0101 at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:04 PM
To: OEVA; pusa411 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] I think the list would enjoy this.. Please
list..
 
Although this might be funny, it is mostly false.  

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/clunkers.asp 

Please keep messages to this list on topic.


On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM, PREMIUM-USA <pusa411 at gmail.com> wrote:
 
>From a real "Car Guy" out in Los Angeles , CA . 
______________________________________________________________ 
SO...you took FEDZILLA up on its offer of $4500. dollars to trade in
your old "Clunker" (interesting choice of words)?  Well, let's see who
got the best of that "deal"... 
If you traded in a clunker worth $3500, you got $4500 off for an
apparent "savings" of $1000.  You could have gotten $3,500 if you had
just traded the car in.  So you really are $1,000 ahead (depending on
your clunker's value) at this point.  Not too bad... 
  
However, you WILL have to pay taxes on the $4500 come April 15th
(something that no auto dealer will tell you).  If you are in the 30%
tax bracket, you will pay $1350 on that $4500.   
  
So, rather than save $1000, you will actually pay an extra $350. to the
feds.  In addition, you traded in a car that was most likely paid for.
Now you have 4 or 5 years of payments on a car that you did not need,
trading in a "clunker" that was costing you less to run than the
payments that you will now be making.. Even if you save $1,000. dollars
a year in gas due to better mileage, you're still gonna be in the red
for five years....hello? 
  
But wait, it gets even better:  you also got ripped off by the dealer.
For example, the month before the "cash for clunkers" program started,
every dealer here in LA was selling the Ford Focus with all the goodies
including A/C, auto transmission, power windows, etc for $12,500.
because competition was stiff due to poor sales from the stalled
economy. 
  
When "cash for clunkers" came along, they stopped discounting them  and
instead sold them at the list price of $15,500..  So, you paid $3000
more than you would have the month before.  Honda, Toyota , and Kia
played the same list price game that Ford and Chevy did.  Now let's do
the math...   
You traded in a car worth:   $3500 
You got a discount of:         $4500 
                                           --------- 
Net so far                           +$1000 
But you have to pay:            $1350 in taxes on the $4500 
                                               -------- 
Net so far:                          -$350  (that's minus...in the red) 
And you paid:                     $3000 more than the car was selling
for the month before 
                                             ----------   
Net  Loss:                          -$3350 
  
We could also add in the additional taxes (sales tax, state tax, dealer
prep, etc...) on the extra $3000 that you paid for the car, along with
the Five years of interest on the car loan; but let's just stop here
while you kick yourself.  Suffice it to say that those costs will be
much higher than any savings you get from "better mileage". 
  
So who actually made out on the deal?  FEDZILLA collected taxes on the
car along with taxes on the $4500 they "gave" you.  The car dealers made
an extra $3000 or more on every car they sold along with the kickbacks
from the manufacturers and the loan companies.  Manufacturers got to
dump lots of cars they could not give away the month before.  Lots of
good or repairable used cars got taken off the market, crushed and sold
as scrap metal to (ready for this?) CHINA !  (Look it up...) And the
poor consumer got saddled with even more debt that they cannot afford.

  
FEDZILLA'S merry men (who promised that people making less than
$250,000. would pay "not one red cent more in taxes") will make millions
in new tax revenues after convincing Joe Consumer that he was getting
$4500 in "free" money from the "government" In fact, Joe was giving away
his $3500 car and paying an additional $3350 for the privilege.
Chicago politics gone global...with an agenda. 
  
If you find errors in this math, please let me know...being a simple
guy, I'm always willing to learn new things; and if you took "advantage"
of the Clunkers deal, I have some swamp land down in Florida that's for
sale... 
  
And remember, these are the same Einsteins who want to take control of
our health care system.  Hold on to your wallet!! 



THX..
            Daniel T "Bubba" Conway 

Premium-EV


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