From jjlitton at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 08:49:12 2010 From: jjlitton at hotmail.com (Jeff Litton) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:49:12 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Trexa Message-ID: Has anyone heard about this? What a great idea. I hope that their technology and support proves to be as solid as the idea. I could not find any info on where the company is. http://www.gizmag.com/trexa-vehicle-development-platform/14023/ http://www.trexa.com/ http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/cliff-kuang/design-innovation/almost-genius- development-platform-creating-your-own-electric-car Cheers, Jeff Litton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100201/183fb8a6/attachment.html From richard.reinoehl at verizon.net Tue Feb 2 00:06:14 2010 From: richard.reinoehl at verizon.net (richard.reinoehl at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:06:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Last meeting Message-ID: <1391170747.361451.1265097974537.JavaMail.root@vms184.mailsrvcs.net> Last meeting we were brainstorming goals to accomplishing for this year. The wealth of great ideas was rather exciting. In fact, there was around six new people attending and afterward it looked like most were lined-up waiting for Ray to take their money and sign them up (a warm welcome to you guys). Ron volunteered to write-up all the goals that we developed in order to distribute for our scrutiny. Next meeting we will be discussing and prioritize these goals, but we'll first check to see if we missed anything that someone wants included. Someone suggested "Fun" for a goal so we will start next meeting with food and drink. More on next meeting shortly, Richard From matwete at comcast.net Wed Feb 3 10:16:25 2010 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:16:25 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? Message-ID: <006601caa4fd$00a73640$01f5a2c0$@net> "report suggests is that sometimes the braking system in the Prius can stop working on bumpy and slippery roads." http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. -mt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100203/d7143ad3/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <006601caa4fd$00a73640$01f5a2c0$@net> References: <006601caa4fd$00a73640$01f5a2c0$@net> Message-ID: <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking system in the Prius can > stop > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. > > > > -mt > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From ken at peakfoto.com Thu Feb 4 12:29:21 2010 From: ken at peakfoto.com (Peakfoto Digital Photo Still n Video) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:29:21 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Message-ID: <0CBD778274CB4DC2AC1332D2E4BEC2A7.MAI@exovian.net> Any one a a good one at a reasonable price for AGM, and SLA or floddies? how about this.. http://home.comcast.net/~ddenhardt201263/desulfator/desulf.htm or http://www.batterytechsolutions.com/desulfator From matwete at comcast.net Thu Feb 4 14:35:24 2010 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:35:24 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? In-Reply-To: <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> References: <006601caa4fd$00a73640$01f5a2c0$@net> <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> Message-ID: <004201caa5ea$5a42fbb0$0ec8f310$@net> I like it--he says that while his Prius seems to have software problems linked to sudden acceleration under cruise control, he isn't worried about it because his brakes work and he has a "radar system that regulates distance from other cars by slowing it down". -mt -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of gfifield at onlinenw.com Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:46 AM To: Myles Twete Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking system in the Prius can > stop > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. > > > > -mt > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From Theoldcars at aol.com Thu Feb 4 15:08:45 2010 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:08:45 EST Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? Message-ID: <17317.5bac3a80.389cad7d@aol.com> I have had the following problem with many antilock brakes. Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or even a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel hits before another or one by itself with the brakes on. The few hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked up triggers the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops much slower because the problem the system senses is only for a couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle stopping by rapidly pulsing on all the wheels and this vastly extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the time it is reacting to an event that would not have been a control problem and I hate it. This always seems to happen at slow speeds and it always seems to do it at a critical time. Like 20 or 30 feet before your going to hit something. I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a stop I have expectations that I will come to a stop in a predictable way. Don In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: 1. Re: Prius brake problems? (gfifield at onlinenw.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: gfifield at onlinenw.com Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? To: "Myles Twete" Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org Message-ID: <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking system in the Prius can > stop > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. > > > > -mt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100204/5933b490/attachment.html From cyberdyke_1 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 4 16:23:56 2010 From: cyberdyke_1 at yahoo.com (Janet Redhawk) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:23:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? In-Reply-To: <17317.5bac3a80.389cad7d@aol.com> Message-ID: <215942.45238.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars rates a congressional inquiry? Where was congress when the Pinto was killing thousands of people? Where was congress when Firestone tires were killing thousands of people? I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has become the #1 sales car in America and now they are showing how unhappy they are about it. J --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com wrote: > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > > > > I have had the following?problem with > many?antilock brakes. > ? > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel hits > before another or one by itself with the brakes on. The few > hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked up triggers > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops much > slower because the problem the system senses is only for a > couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle stopping by > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this vastly > extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the time > it is reacting to an event that?would not have been a > control problem and I hate it. This always seems to happen > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it at > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before your > going to hit something. > ? > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a stop I > have expectations that I will come to a stop in a > predictable way. > ? > Don > ? > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > To: "Myles Twete" > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: > ? ? > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking > system in the Prius can > > stop > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. > > > > > > > > -mt > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From matwete at comcast.net Thu Feb 4 16:57:57 2010 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:57:57 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? In-Reply-To: <215942.45238.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <17317.5bac3a80.389cad7d@aol.com> <215942.45238.qm@web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01caa5fe$424f4d10$c6ede730$@net> It's not the severity of the issues or that there's these recalls, it's that evidently Toyota has preferred obfuscation, runarounds and false blames for months rather than come out and announce a problem. People have died and politicos gets pressured when people die and there's evidence that more could have been done earlier. As for conspiracy of picking on Toyota, maybe, but then I don't hear them going after VW or Subaru---both also very popular here in Portlandistan. -mt -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Janet Redhawk Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:24 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars rates a congressional inquiry? Where was congress when the Pinto was killing thousands of people? Where was congress when Firestone tires were killing thousands of people? I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has become the #1 sales car in America and now they are showing how unhappy they are about it. J --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com wrote: > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > > > > I have had the following?problem with > many?antilock brakes. > ? > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel hits > before another or one by itself with the brakes on. The few > hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked up triggers > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops much > slower because the problem the system senses is only for a > couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle stopping by > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this vastly > extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the time > it is reacting to an event that?would not have been a > control problem and I hate it. This always seems to happen > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it at > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before your > going to hit something. > ? > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a stop I > have expectations that I will come to a stop in a > predictable way. > ? > Don > ? > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > To: "Myles Twete" > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: > ? ? > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking > system in the Prius can > > stop > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. > > > > > > > > -mt > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From cyberdyke_1 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 5 09:23:26 2010 From: cyberdyke_1 at yahoo.com (Janet Redhawk) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:23:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? In-Reply-To: <001c01caa5fe$424f4d10$c6ede730$@net> Message-ID: <46579.83483.qm@web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> That's not 100% true. Yes several people have died. Toyota HAS not used obfuscation or anything else to "cover up" the problem. When the first people were killed Toyota came right out and said they were recalling all Prius' for their floor matts, and that they were looking further into the situation to see if their might be a deeper cause. If you want to talk obfuscation let's talk about Ford and the Pinto. Thousands of people were killed and Ford took the line that it wasn't their problem. Finally after YEARS of people getting killed they FINALLY relented and recalled the car. The problem: a $.50 part that isolated the tail pipe or muffler for going into the gas tank. Ford thought it was cheaper to pay all the lawsuits than to recall the cars and put on the part. This is all facts, look 'em up. Now I don't want to get into a war on this site. I just think it ludicrous for the gov't to be involved in this car problem when we've had much bigger car/auto industry problems. And before people climb onto the band wagon for the lynching maybe they should check the facts. Stepping off my soap box. J --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Myles Twete wrote: > From: Myles Twete > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 4:57 PM > It's not the severity of the issues > or that there's these recalls, it's that > evidently Toyota has preferred obfuscation, runarounds and > false blames for > months rather than come out and announce a problem.? > People have died and > politicos gets pressured when people die and there's > evidence that more > could have been done earlier.? As for conspiracy of > picking on Toyota, > maybe, but then I don't hear them going after VW or > Subaru---both also very > popular here in Portlandistan. > -mt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] > On > Behalf Of Janet Redhawk > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:24 PM > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars rates a > congressional > inquiry? > > Where was congress when the Pinto was killing thousands of > people? > Where was congress when Firestone tires were killing > thousands of people? > > I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has become the > #1 sales car in > America and now they are showing how unhappy they are about > it. > > J > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com > > wrote: > > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > >? > >? > >? > > > > I have had the following?problem with > > many?antilock brakes. > > ? > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or > > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel > hits > > before another or one by itself with the brakes on. > The few > > hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked up > triggers > > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops > much > > slower because the problem the system senses is only > for a > > couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle stopping > by > > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this vastly > > extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the > time > > it is reacting to an event that?would not have been > a > > control problem and I hate it. This always seems to > happen > > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it at > > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before your > > going to hit something. > > ? > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a stop I > > have expectations that I will come to a stop in a > > predictable way. > > ? > > Don > > ? > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org > writes: > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: "Myles Twete" > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Message-ID: > > ? ? > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking > > system in the Prius can > > > stop > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > >? > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > ? ? ? > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From stevel at fern.com Fri Feb 5 12:38:55 2010 From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:38:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Anti-lock brakes. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > I have had the following problem with many antilock brakes. > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or even a wet slick painted > area. When the one wheel hits before another or one by itself with the brakes > on. The few hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked up triggers the > antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops much slower because the problem > the system senses is only for a couple of feet. The system delays the > vehicle stopping by rapidly pulsing on all the wheels and this vastly extends > your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the time it is reacting to an event > that would not have been a control problem and I hate it. This always seems > to happen at slow speeds and it always seems to do it at a critical time. > Like 20 or 30 feet before your going to hit something. > If you'd like to see this problem, in spades, try stopping on a dry gravel road. Your stopping distance with anti-lock can be 200% of the distance needed for non-anti-lock. It's a known "feature". ;-( Steve From nisaacs at optechsw.com Fri Feb 5 13:46:22 2010 From: nisaacs at optechsw.com (Nathan Isaacs) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:46:22 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] OpConnect EV Charging Event Message-ID: <008f01caa6ac$a9a99750$fcfcc5f0$@com> Good afternoon, We'd like to invite OEVA members to come charge their vehicles with our charging station next Friday, Feb. 12, outside our offices in Beaverton. I am seeking vehicles that can be charged at 110v or 220v. If you are interested, send me an e-mail at nisaacs at optechsw.com and we'll work out the details. Sincerely, Nathan Isaacs Manager, Business Development Optimization Technologies www.opconnect.com nisaacs at optechsw.com (503) 690-4475 x 16 (503) 810-7013 mobile P Please consider the environment before printing this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100205/3e26b598/attachment.html From morbiusx1 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 5 14:48:54 2010 From: morbiusx1 at hotmail.com (mark barthemer) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:48:54 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5 "Thousands" of Pinto deaths etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: J wrote, among other things - If you want to talk obfuscation let's talk about Ford and the Pinto. Thousands of people were killed and Ford took the line that it wasn't their problem. Finally after YEARS of people getting killed they FINALLY relented and recalled the car. The problem: a $.50 part that isolated the tail pipe or muffler for going into the gas tank. Ford thought it was cheaper to pay all the lawsuits than to recall the cars and put on the part. This is all facts, look 'em up. The facts, indeed. Actually, design-related deaths were closer to 27, not "thousands," and the Pinto had better overall fatality rates than the contemporary Beetle, Datsun 1200/210 & others - it was in the middle of the pack. It was not a fifty cent part, more like $9 to $11 (I can hear the moans, but that's the analysis every manufacturer faces). And the gas tank ran into the differential, not tail pipe. See Prof Gary Schwartz, 43 Newark Law Rev. 1013. If you want to discuss this further without clogging the OEVA site, feel free to send your facts to me at my personal email address. He concludes it was neither a great car nor a horrid one. The folk memory of thousands of deaths is the disturbing thing. Corporations don't always do the right thing, but I'd rather see a discussion of an OEVA-relevant subject, like the Chevron refusal to license the batteries in the Prius and Rav4 Electric for further automotive uses - that's a scandal, and it gives support to all the snake oil peddlers who claim their brilliant ideas are suppressed by the Oil Companies. But Pinto is old news, usually poorly remembered. Mark Parthemer morbiusx1 at hotmail.com > From: oeva-list-request at oeva.org > Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5 > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:23:42 -0800 > > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > oeva-list at oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oeva-list-owner at oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Oeva-list Digest, (Peakfoto Digital Photo Still n Video) > 2. Re: Prius brake problems? (Myles Twete) > 3. Prius brake problems? (Theoldcars at aol.com) > 4. Re: Prius brake problems? (Janet Redhawk) > 5. Re: Prius brake problems? (Myles Twete) > 6. Re: Prius brake problems? (Janet Redhawk) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:29:21 -0800 > From: "Peakfoto Digital Photo Still n Video" > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, > To: > Message-ID: <0CBD778274CB4DC2AC1332D2E4BEC2A7.MAI at exovian.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Any one a a good one at a reasonable price for AGM, and SLA or floddies? > > how about this.. http://home.comcast.net/~ddenhardt201263/desulfator/desulf.htm > > or > > http://www.batterytechsolutions.com/desulfator > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:35:24 -0800 > From: "Myles Twete" > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > To: > Message-ID: <004201caa5ea$5a42fbb0$0ec8f310$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I like it--he says that while his Prius seems to have software problems > linked to sudden acceleration under cruise control, he isn't worried about > it because his brakes work and he has a "radar system that regulates > distance from other cars by slowing it down". > -mt > > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On > Behalf Of gfifield at onlinenw.com > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:46 AM > To: Myles Twete > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking system in the Prius can > > stop > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:08:45 EST > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: <17317.5bac3a80.389cad7d at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > I have had the following problem with many antilock brakes. > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or even a wet slick painted > area. When the one wheel hits before another or one by itself with the brakes > on. The few hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked up triggers the > antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops much slower because the problem > the system senses is only for a couple of feet. The system delays the > vehicle stopping by rapidly pulsing on all the wheels and this vastly extends > your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the time it is reacting to an event > that would not have been a control problem and I hate it. This always seems > to happen at slow speeds and it always seems to do it at a critical time. > Like 20 or 30 feet before your going to hit something. > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a stop I have expectations > that I will come to a stop in a predictable way. > > Don > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, > oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > To: "Myles Twete" > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking system in the Prius can > > stop > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. > > > > > > > > -mt > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100204/5933b490/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:23:56 -0800 (PST) > From: Janet Redhawk > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: <215942.45238.qm at web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars rates a congressional inquiry? > > Where was congress when the Pinto was killing thousands of people? > Where was congress when Firestone tires were killing thousands of people? > > I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has become the #1 sales car in America and now they are showing how unhappy they are about it. > > J > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com wrote: > > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had the following?problem with > > many?antilock brakes. > > ? > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or > > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel hits > > before another or one by itself with the brakes on. The few > > hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked up triggers > > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops much > > slower because the problem the system senses is only for a > > couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle stopping by > > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this vastly > > extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the time > > it is reacting to an event that?would not have been a > > control problem and I hate it. This always seems to happen > > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it at > > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before your > > going to hit something. > > ? > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a stop I > > have expectations that I will come to a stop in a > > predictable way. > > ? > > Don > > ? > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: "Myles Twete" > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Message-ID: > > ? ? > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking > > system in the Prius can > > > stop > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:57:57 -0800 > From: "Myles Twete" > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > To: > Message-ID: <001c01caa5fe$424f4d10$c6ede730$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It's not the severity of the issues or that there's these recalls, it's that > evidently Toyota has preferred obfuscation, runarounds and false blames for > months rather than come out and announce a problem. People have died and > politicos gets pressured when people die and there's evidence that more > could have been done earlier. As for conspiracy of picking on Toyota, > maybe, but then I don't hear them going after VW or Subaru---both also very > popular here in Portlandistan. > -mt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On > Behalf Of Janet Redhawk > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:24 PM > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars rates a congressional > inquiry? > > Where was congress when the Pinto was killing thousands of people? > Where was congress when Firestone tires were killing thousands of people? > > I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has become the #1 sales car in > America and now they are showing how unhappy they are about it. > > J > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com wrote: > > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had the following?problem with > > many?antilock brakes. > > ? > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or > > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel hits > > before another or one by itself with the brakes on. The few > > hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked up triggers > > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops much > > slower because the problem the system senses is only for a > > couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle stopping by > > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this vastly > > extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the time > > it is reacting to an event that?would not have been a > > control problem and I hate it. This always seems to happen > > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it at > > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before your > > going to hit something. > > ? > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a stop I > > have expectations that I will come to a stop in a > > predictable way. > > ? > > Don > > ? > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: "Myles Twete" > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Message-ID: > > ? ? > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking > > system in the Prius can > > > stop > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:23:26 -0800 (PST) > From: Janet Redhawk > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: <46579.83483.qm at web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > That's not 100% true. Yes several people have died. Toyota HAS not used obfuscation or anything else to "cover up" the problem. When the first people were killed Toyota came right out and said they were recalling all Prius' for their floor matts, and that they were looking further into the situation to see if their might be a deeper cause. > > If you want to talk obfuscation let's talk about Ford and the Pinto. Thousands of people were killed and Ford took the line that it wasn't their problem. Finally after YEARS of people getting killed they FINALLY relented and recalled the car. The problem: a $.50 part that isolated the tail pipe or muffler for going into the gas tank. Ford thought it was cheaper to pay all the lawsuits than to recall the cars and put on the part. This is all facts, look 'em up. > > Now I don't want to get into a war on this site. I just think it ludicrous for the gov't to be involved in this car problem when we've had much bigger car/auto industry problems. And before people climb onto the band wagon for the lynching maybe they should check the facts. > > Stepping off my soap box. > > J > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Myles Twete wrote: > > > From: Myles Twete > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 4:57 PM > > It's not the severity of the issues > > or that there's these recalls, it's that > > evidently Toyota has preferred obfuscation, runarounds and > > false blames for > > months rather than come out and announce a problem.? > > People have died and > > politicos gets pressured when people die and there's > > evidence that more > > could have been done earlier.? As for conspiracy of > > picking on Toyota, > > maybe, but then I don't hear them going after VW or > > Subaru---both also very > > popular here in Portlandistan. > > -mt > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > > [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] > > On > > Behalf Of Janet Redhawk > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:24 PM > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars rates a > > congressional > > inquiry? > > > > Where was congress when the Pinto was killing thousands of > > people? > > Where was congress when Firestone tires were killing > > thousands of people? > > > > I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has become the > > #1 sales car in > > America and now they are showing how unhappy they are about > > it. > > > > J > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > > > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > > > >? > > >? > > >? > > > > > > I have had the following?problem with > > > many?antilock brakes. > > > ? > > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or > > > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel > > hits > > > before another or one by itself with the brakes on. > > The few > > > hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked up > > triggers > > > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops > > much > > > slower because the problem the system senses is only > > for a > > > couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle stopping > > by > > > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this vastly > > > extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the > > time > > > it is reacting to an event that?would not have been > > a > > > control problem and I hate it. This always seems to > > happen > > > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it at > > > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before your > > > going to hit something. > > > ? > > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a stop I > > > have expectations that I will come to a stop in a > > > predictable way. > > > ? > > > Don > > > ? > > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > > > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > writes: > > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > > > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: "Myles Twete" > > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Message-ID: > > > ? ? > > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking > > > system in the Prius can > > > > stop > > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > >? > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > ? ? ? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5 > **************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100205/c1a34e08/attachment-0001.html From cyberdyke_1 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 5 14:54:37 2010 From: cyberdyke_1 at yahoo.com (Janet Redhawk) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:54:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] "Thousands" of Pinto deaths etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <432315.11921.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark, thank you for bring the facts to the discussion. I stand corrected on the number of people killed by the Pinto. J --- On Fri, 2/5/10, mark barthemer wrote: > From: mark barthemer > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5 "Thousands" of Pinto deaths etc. > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 2:48 PM > > > > > > J wrote, among other things - > If you want to talk obfuscation let's talk about > Ford and the Pinto. Thousands of people were killed and > Ford took the line that it wasn't their problem. > Finally after YEARS of people getting killed they FINALLY > relented and recalled the car. The problem: a $.50 part > that isolated the tail pipe or muffler for going into the > gas tank. Ford thought it was cheaper to pay all the > lawsuits than to recall the cars and put on the part. This > is all facts, look 'em up. > > The facts, indeed.? Actually, design-related deaths > were closer to 27, not "thousands," and the Pinto > had better overall fatality rates than the contemporary > Beetle, Datsun 1200/210 & others - it was in the middle > of the pack.? It was not a fifty cent part, more like > $9 to $11 (I can hear the moans, but that's the analysis > every manufacturer faces).? And the gas tank ran into > the differential, not tail pipe.? See Prof Gary > Schwartz, 43 Newark Law Rev. 1013.? If you want to > discuss this further without clogging the OEVA site, feel > free to send your facts to me at my personal email > address.? He concludes it was neither a great car nor a > horrid one.? The folk memory of thousands of deaths is > the disturbing thing.? Corporations don't always do > the right thing, but I'd rather see a discussion of an > OEVA-relevant subject, like the Chevron refusal to license > the batteries in the Prius and Rav4 Electric for further > automotive uses - that's a scandal, and it gives support > to all the snake oil peddlers who claim their brilliant > ideas are suppressed by the Oil Companies.? But Pinto > is old news, usually poorly remembered. > > Mark Parthemer morbiusx1 at hotmail.com > > > > From: oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5 > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:23:42 -0800 > > > > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > > oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > > oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > oeva-list-owner at oeva.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Oeva-list Digest, (Peakfoto Digital Photo > Still n Video) > > 2. Re: Prius brake problems? (Myles Twete) > > 3. Prius brake problems? (Theoldcars at aol.com) > > 4. Re: Prius brake problems? (Janet Redhawk) > > 5. Re: Prius brake problems? (Myles Twete) > > 6. Re: Prius brake problems? (Janet Redhawk) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:29:21 -0800 > > From: "Peakfoto Digital Photo Still n Video" > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, > > To: > > Message-ID: > <0CBD778274CB4DC2AC1332D2E4BEC2A7.MAI at exovian.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > > > > Any one a a good one at a reasonable price for AGM, > and SLA or floddies? > > > > how about this.. > http://home.comcast.net/~ddenhardt201263/desulfator/desulf.htm > > > > or > > > > http://www.batterytechsolutions.com/desulfator > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:35:24 -0800 > > From: "Myles Twete" > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: > > Message-ID: > <004201caa5ea$5a42fbb0$0ec8f310$@net> > > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > I like it--he says that while his Prius seems to have > software problems > > linked to sudden acceleration under cruise control, he > isn't worried about > > it because his brakes work and he has a "radar > system that regulates > > distance from other cars by slowing it down". > > -mt > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On > > Behalf Of gfifield at onlinenw.com > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:46 AM > > To: Myles Twete > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the > braking system in the Prius can > > > stop > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:08:45 EST > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Message-ID: <17317.5bac3a80.389cad7d at aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > I have had the following problem with many antilock > brakes. > > > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or even a > wet slick painted > > area. When the one wheel hits before another or one by > itself with the brakes > > on. The few hundreds of a second the wheel would have > locked up triggers the > > antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops much > slower because the problem > > the system senses is only for a couple of feet. The > system delays the > > vehicle stopping by rapidly pulsing on all the wheels > and this vastly extends > > your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the time it > is reacting to an event > > that would not have been a control problem and I hate > it. This always seems > > to happen at slow speeds and it always seems to do it > at a critical time. > > Like 20 or 30 feet before your going to hit something. > > > > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a stop I > have expectations > > that I will come to a stop in a predictable way. > > > > Don > > > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > > oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: > > > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: "Myles Twete" > > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Message-ID: > > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the > braking system in the Prius can > > > stop > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > /pipermail/attachments/20100204/5933b490/attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:23:56 -0800 (PST) > > From: Janet Redhawk > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Message-ID: > <215942.45238.qm at web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars rates > a congressional inquiry? > > > > Where was congress when the Pinto was killing > thousands of people? > > Where was congress when Firestone tires were killing > thousands of people? > > > > I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has > become the #1 sales car in America and now they are showing > how unhappy they are about it. > > > > J > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com > wrote: > > > > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had the following?problem with > > > many?antilock brakes. > > > ? > > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or > > > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel > hits > > > before another or one by itself with the brakes > on. The few > > > hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked > up triggers > > > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops > much > > > slower because the problem the system senses is > only for a > > > couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle > stopping by > > > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this > vastly > > > extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% > of the time > > > it is reacting to an event that?would not have > been a > > > control problem and I hate it. This always seems > to happen > > > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it at > > > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before your > > > going to hit something. > > > ? > > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a > stop I > > > have expectations that I will come to a stop in > a > > > predictable way. > > > ? > > > Don > > > ? > > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > > > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org > writes: > > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > > > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: "Myles Twete" > > > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Message-ID: > > > ? ? > > > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius > problems: > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the > braking > > > system in the Prius can > > > > stop > > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall > for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:57:57 -0800 > > From: "Myles Twete" > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: > > Message-ID: > <001c01caa5fe$424f4d10$c6ede730$@net> > > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > It's not the severity of the issues or that > there's these recalls, it's that > > evidently Toyota has preferred obfuscation, runarounds > and false blames for > > months rather than come out and announce a problem. > People have died and > > politicos gets pressured when people die and > there's evidence that more > > could have been done earlier. As for conspiracy of > picking on Toyota, > > maybe, but then I don't hear them going after VW > or Subaru---both also very > > popular here in Portlandistan. > > -mt > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On > > Behalf Of Janet Redhawk > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:24 PM > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars rates > a congressional > > inquiry? > > > > Where was congress when the Pinto was killing > thousands of people? > > Where was congress when Firestone tires were killing > thousands of people? > > > > I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has > become the #1 sales car in > > America and now they are showing how unhappy they are > about it. > > > > J > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com > wrote: > > > > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had the following?problem with > > > many?antilock brakes. > > > ? > > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or > > > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel > hits > > > before another or one by itself with the brakes > on. The few > > > hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked > up triggers > > > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops > much > > > slower because the problem the system senses is > only for a > > > couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle > stopping by > > > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this > vastly > > > extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% > of the time > > > it is reacting to an event that?would not have > been a > > > control problem and I hate it. This always seems > to happen > > > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it at > > > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before your > > > going to hit something. > > > ? > > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a > stop I > > > have expectations that I will come to a stop in > a > > > predictable way. > > > ? > > > Don > > > ? > > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > > > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org > writes: > > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > > > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: "Myles Twete" > > > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Message-ID: > > > ? ? > > > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius > problems: > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the > braking > > > system in the Prius can > > > > stop > > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall > for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:23:26 -0800 (PST) > > From: Janet Redhawk > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Message-ID: > <46579.83483.qm at web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > That's not 100% true. Yes several people have > died. Toyota HAS not used obfuscation or anything else to > "cover up" the problem. When the first people > were killed Toyota came right out and said they were > recalling all Prius' for their floor matts, and that > they were looking further into the situation to see if their > might be a deeper cause. > > > > If you want to talk obfuscation let's talk about > Ford and the Pinto. Thousands of people were killed and > Ford took the line that it wasn't their problem. > Finally after YEARS of people getting killed they FINALLY > relented and recalled the car. The problem: a $.50 part > that isolated the tail pipe or muffler for going into the > gas tank. Ford thought it was cheaper to pay all the > lawsuits than to recall the cars and put on the part. This > is all facts, look 'em up. > > > > Now I don't want to get into a war on this site. > I just think it ludicrous for the gov't to be involved > in this car problem when we've had much bigger car/auto > industry problems. And before people climb onto the band > wagon for the lynching maybe they should check the facts. > > > > Stepping off my soap box. > > > > J > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Myles Twete > wrote: > > > > > From: Myles Twete > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 4:57 PM > > > It's not the severity of the issues > > > or that there's these recalls, it's that > > > evidently Toyota has preferred obfuscation, > runarounds and > > > false blames for > > > months rather than come out and announce a > problem.? > > > People have died and > > > politicos gets pressured when people die and > there's > > > evidence that more > > > could have been done earlier.? As for conspiracy > of > > > picking on Toyota, > > > maybe, but then I don't hear them going after > VW or > > > Subaru---both also very > > > popular here in Portlandistan. > > > -mt > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > > > [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] > > > On > > > Behalf Of Janet Redhawk > > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:24 PM > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > > > Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars > rates a > > > congressional > > > inquiry? > > > > > > Where was congress when the Pinto was killing > thousands of > > > people? > > > Where was congress when Firestone tires were > killing > > > thousands of people? > > > > > > I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has > become the > > > #1 sales car in > > > America and now they are showing how unhappy they > are about > > > it. > > > > > > J > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > > > > > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > > > > > >? > > > >? > > > >? > > > > > > > > I have had the following?problem with > > > > many?antilock brakes. > > > > ? > > > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover > or > > > > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one > wheel > > > hits > > > > before another or one by itself with the > brakes on. > > > The few > > > > hundreds of a second the wheel would have > locked up > > > triggers > > > > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle > stops > > > much > > > > slower because the problem the system senses > is only > > > for a > > > > couple of feet. The system delays the > vehicle stopping > > > by > > > > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this > vastly > > > > extends your stopping distance. Just about > 100% of the > > > time > > > > it is reacting to an event that?would not > have been > > > a > > > > control problem and I hate it. This always > seems to > > > happen > > > > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it > at > > > > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before > your > > > > going to hit something. > > > > ? > > > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to > a stop I > > > > have expectations that I will come to a stop > in a > > > > predictable way. > > > > ? > > > > Don > > > > ? > > > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM > Pacific > > > > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > > writes: > > > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > > > > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake > problems? > > > > To: "Myles Twete" > > > > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > Message-ID: > > > > ? ? > > > > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius > problems: > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes > the braking > > > > system in the Prius can > > > > > stop > > > > > working on bumpy and slippery > roads." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius > recall for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > >? > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? ? ? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5 > > **************************************** > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich > email service. Get > it now. > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From greenerwheels at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 15:55:03 2010 From: greenerwheels at gmail.com (steve boser) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:55:03 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] How about a little irony with that hybrid Message-ID: <62256f591002051555u5ad341e4web53a1e7b1a6fbc2@mail.gmail.com> I realize how serious Toyota's situation is, and as more and more CPU's get installed in everyday items, how they interact with each other could have similar effects of a person taking multiple perscriptions, and how each drug interacts with the others. I'm sure it was completely unintentional poking at two separate industries but today there very well may be more and more truth to the poking. Think back to 1998. For a better read, try Aurthur C Clark's short story "Dial F for Frankenstein" Thanks Steve Please I am not saying the sky is falling, just thought we all could use a break If General Motors Built Cars like Microsoft... At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated: "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving twenty-five dollar cars that got 1000 miles to the gallon." In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating (supposedly by Mr. Welch himself): "Yes, but would you want your car to crash twice a day?" Then others added these comments: 1. Every time they repainted the lines on the road you would have to buy a new car. 2. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason, and you would just accept this, restart and drive on. 3. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to stop and fail and you would have to re-install the engine. For some strange reason, you would accept this too. 4. You could only have one person in the car at a time, unless you bought Car95 or CarNT . But then you would have to buy more seats. 5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast, twice as easy to drive, but would only run on five percent of the roads. 6. The Macintosh car owners would get expensive Microsoft uprgrades to their cars, which would make their cars run much slower. 7. The oil, gas and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single "general car fault" warning light. 8. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt. 9. The airbag system would say are you sure? before going off. 10. If you were involved in a crash, you would have no idea what happened. 11. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed hold of the radio antenna. 12. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither needed nor wanted them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50% or more. Moreover, GM would become the target of investigation by the Justice Department. 13. Every time GM would introduce a new model car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car. 14. You'd press the "start" button to shut off the engine. From morbiusx1 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 5 16:43:29 2010 From: morbiusx1 at hotmail.com (mark barthemer) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:43:29 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 7 Chevron Blocking of NiMH batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Janet - Thanks for the message. My mention of the refusal of Chevron (or whichever oil company that now owns the patent) to license the Ovonics NiMH traction batteries for further EV use (including plug-in hybrids and replacements for the original NiMH pack in the electric RAV-4) was not just rhetorical. I don't know if the issue has been dealt with on this site, but if ever a subject seemed ripe for a Congressional inquiry, this is it - combining as it does the rosy glow of corporation-bashing with what seems like a real instance of the strategic use of a patent solely to strangle a rival technology, with real harm to the public. I may have missed something, but I don't recall seeing this in the mainstream media - it is only the EV & alt-energy sites that have discussed it. Can we light a fire under someone, especially in an election year? Thanks for the soapbox. Mark Parthemer > From: oeva-list-request at oeva.org > Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 7 > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:55:14 -0800 > > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > oeva-list at oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oeva-list-owner at oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: "Thousands" of Pinto deaths etc. (Janet Redhawk) > 2. How about a little irony with that hybrid (steve boser) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:54:37 -0800 (PST) > From: Janet Redhawk > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] "Thousands" of Pinto deaths etc. > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: <432315.11921.qm at web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Mark, > > thank you for bring the facts to the discussion. > > I stand corrected on the number of people killed by the Pinto. > > J > > > > --- On Fri, 2/5/10, mark barthemer wrote: > > > From: mark barthemer > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5 "Thousands" of Pinto deaths etc. > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 2:48 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > J wrote, among other things - > > If you want to talk obfuscation let's talk about > > Ford and the Pinto. Thousands of people were killed and > > Ford took the line that it wasn't their problem. > > Finally after YEARS of people getting killed they FINALLY > > relented and recalled the car. The problem: a $.50 part > > that isolated the tail pipe or muffler for going into the > > gas tank. Ford thought it was cheaper to pay all the > > lawsuits than to recall the cars and put on the part. This > > is all facts, look 'em up. > > > > The facts, indeed.? Actually, design-related deaths > > were closer to 27, not "thousands," and the Pinto > > had better overall fatality rates than the contemporary > > Beetle, Datsun 1200/210 & others - it was in the middle > > of the pack.? It was not a fifty cent part, more like > > $9 to $11 (I can hear the moans, but that's the analysis > > every manufacturer faces).? And the gas tank ran into > > the differential, not tail pipe.? See Prof Gary > > Schwartz, 43 Newark Law Rev. 1013.? If you want to > > discuss this further without clogging the OEVA site, feel > > free to send your facts to me at my personal email > > address.? He concludes it was neither a great car nor a > > horrid one.? The folk memory of thousands of deaths is > > the disturbing thing.? Corporations don't always do > > the right thing, but I'd rather see a discussion of an > > OEVA-relevant subject, like the Chevron refusal to license > > the batteries in the Prius and Rav4 Electric for further > > automotive uses - that's a scandal, and it gives support > > to all the snake oil peddlers who claim their brilliant > > ideas are suppressed by the Oil Companies.? But Pinto > > is old news, usually poorly remembered. > > > > Mark Parthemer morbiusx1 at hotmail.com > > > > > > > From: oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > > Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5 > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:23:42 -0800 > > > > > > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > > > oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > > visit > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > > 'help' to > > > oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > oeva-list-owner at oeva.org > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is > > more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Re: Oeva-list Digest, (Peakfoto Digital Photo > > Still n Video) > > > 2. Re: Prius brake problems? (Myles Twete) > > > 3. Prius brake problems? (Theoldcars at aol.com) > > > 4. Re: Prius brake problems? (Janet Redhawk) > > > 5. Re: Prius brake problems? (Myles Twete) > > > 6. Re: Prius brake problems? (Janet Redhawk) > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:29:21 -0800 > > > From: "Peakfoto Digital Photo Still n Video" > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, > > > To: > > > Message-ID: > > <0CBD778274CB4DC2AC1332D2E4BEC2A7.MAI at exovian.net> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Any one a a good one at a reasonable price for AGM, > > and SLA or floddies? > > > > > > how about this.. > > http://home.comcast.net/~ddenhardt201263/desulfator/desulf.htm > > > > > > or > > > > > > http://www.batterytechsolutions.com/desulfator > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:35:24 -0800 > > > From: "Myles Twete" > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: > > > Message-ID: > > <004201caa5ea$5a42fbb0$0ec8f310$@net> > > > Content-Type: > > text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > I like it--he says that while his Prius seems to have > > software problems > > > linked to sudden acceleration under cruise control, he > > isn't worried about > > > it because his brakes work and he has a "radar > > system that regulates > > > distance from other cars by slowing it down". > > > -mt > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > > [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On > > > Behalf Of gfifield at onlinenw.com > > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:46 AM > > > To: Myles Twete > > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the > > braking system in the Prius can > > > > stop > > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:08:45 EST > > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Message-ID: <17317.5bac3a80.389cad7d at aol.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > > > > I have had the following problem with many antilock > > brakes. > > > > > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or even a > > wet slick painted > > > area. When the one wheel hits before another or one by > > itself with the brakes > > > on. The few hundreds of a second the wheel would have > > locked up triggers the > > > antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops much > > slower because the problem > > > the system senses is only for a couple of feet. The > > system delays the > > > vehicle stopping by rapidly pulsing on all the wheels > > and this vastly extends > > > your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the time it > > is reacting to an event > > > that would not have been a control problem and I hate > > it. This always seems > > > to happen at slow speeds and it always seems to do it > > at a critical time. > > > Like 20 or 30 feet before your going to hit something. > > > > > > > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a stop I > > have expectations > > > that I will come to a stop in a predictable way. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > > Standard Time, > > > oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: > > > > > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: "Myles Twete" > > > > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Message-ID: > > > > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems: > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the > > braking system in the Prius can > > > > stop > > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: > > /pipermail/attachments/20100204/5933b490/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 4 > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:23:56 -0800 (PST) > > > From: Janet Redhawk > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Message-ID: > > <215942.45238.qm at web52603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars rates > > a congressional inquiry? > > > > > > Where was congress when the Pinto was killing > > thousands of people? > > > Where was congress when Firestone tires were killing > > thousands of people? > > > > > > I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has > > become the #1 sales car in America and now they are showing > > how unhappy they are about it. > > > > > > J > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > > > > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had the following?problem with > > > > many?antilock brakes. > > > > ? > > > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or > > > > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel > > hits > > > > before another or one by itself with the brakes > > on. The few > > > > hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked > > up triggers > > > > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops > > much > > > > slower because the problem the system senses is > > only for a > > > > couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle > > stopping by > > > > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this > > vastly > > > > extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% > > of the time > > > > it is reacting to an event that?would not have > > been a > > > > control problem and I hate it. This always seems > > to happen > > > > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it at > > > > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before your > > > > going to hit something. > > > > ? > > > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a > > stop I > > > > have expectations that I will come to a stop in > > a > > > > predictable way. > > > > ? > > > > Don > > > > ? > > > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > > > > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > writes: > > > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > > > > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > To: "Myles Twete" > > > > > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > Message-ID: > > > > ? ? > > > > > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius > > problems: > > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the > > braking > > > > system in the Prius can > > > > > stop > > > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall > > for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 5 > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:57:57 -0800 > > > From: "Myles Twete" > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: > > > Message-ID: > > <001c01caa5fe$424f4d10$c6ede730$@net> > > > Content-Type: > > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > It's not the severity of the issues or that > > there's these recalls, it's that > > > evidently Toyota has preferred obfuscation, runarounds > > and false blames for > > > months rather than come out and announce a problem. > > People have died and > > > politicos gets pressured when people die and > > there's evidence that more > > > could have been done earlier. As for conspiracy of > > picking on Toyota, > > > maybe, but then I don't hear them going after VW > > or Subaru---both also very > > > popular here in Portlandistan. > > > -mt > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > > [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On > > > Behalf Of Janet Redhawk > > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:24 PM > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > > > Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars rates > > a congressional > > > inquiry? > > > > > > Where was congress when the Pinto was killing > > thousands of people? > > > Where was congress when Firestone tires were killing > > thousands of people? > > > > > > I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has > > become the #1 sales car in > > > America and now they are showing how unhappy they are > > about it. > > > > > > J > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > > > > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had the following?problem with > > > > many?antilock brakes. > > > > ? > > > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or > > > > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel > > hits > > > > before another or one by itself with the brakes > > on. The few > > > > hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked > > up triggers > > > > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops > > much > > > > slower because the problem the system senses is > > only for a > > > > couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle > > stopping by > > > > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this > > vastly > > > > extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% > > of the time > > > > it is reacting to an event that?would not have > > been a > > > > control problem and I hate it. This always seems > > to happen > > > > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it at > > > > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before your > > > > going to hit something. > > > > ? > > > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a > > stop I > > > > have expectations that I will come to a stop in > > a > > > > predictable way. > > > > ? > > > > Don > > > > ? > > > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific > > > > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > writes: > > > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > > > > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > To: "Myles Twete" > > > > > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > Message-ID: > > > > ? ? > > > > > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius > > problems: > > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes the > > braking > > > > system in the Prius can > > > > > stop > > > > > working on bumpy and slippery roads." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall > > for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 6 > > > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:23:26 -0800 (PST) > > > From: Janet Redhawk > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > Message-ID: > > <46579.83483.qm at web52601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > That's not 100% true. Yes several people have > > died. Toyota HAS not used obfuscation or anything else to > > "cover up" the problem. When the first people > > were killed Toyota came right out and said they were > > recalling all Prius' for their floor matts, and that > > they were looking further into the situation to see if their > > might be a deeper cause. > > > > > > If you want to talk obfuscation let's talk about > > Ford and the Pinto. Thousands of people were killed and > > Ford took the line that it wasn't their problem. > > Finally after YEARS of people getting killed they FINALLY > > relented and recalled the car. The problem: a $.50 part > > that isolated the tail pipe or muffler for going into the > > gas tank. Ford thought it was cheaper to pay all the > > lawsuits than to recall the cars and put on the part. This > > is all facts, look 'em up. > > > > > > Now I don't want to get into a war on this site. > > I just think it ludicrous for the gov't to be involved > > in this car problem when we've had much bigger car/auto > > industry problems. And before people climb onto the band > > wagon for the lynching maybe they should check the facts. > > > > > > Stepping off my soap box. > > > > > > J > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Myles Twete > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Myles Twete > > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 4:57 PM > > > > It's not the severity of the issues > > > > or that there's these recalls, it's that > > > > evidently Toyota has preferred obfuscation, > > runarounds and > > > > false blames for > > > > months rather than come out and announce a > > problem.? > > > > People have died and > > > > politicos gets pressured when people die and > > there's > > > > evidence that more > > > > could have been done earlier.? As for conspiracy > > of > > > > picking on Toyota, > > > > maybe, but then I don't hear them going after > > VW or > > > > Subaru---both also very > > > > popular here in Portlandistan. > > > > -mt > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > > > > [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] > > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Janet Redhawk > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:24 PM > > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > > > > > Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars > > rates a > > > > congressional > > > > inquiry? > > > > > > > > Where was congress when the Pinto was killing > > thousands of > > > > people? > > > > Where was congress when Firestone tires were > > killing > > > > thousands of people? > > > > > > > > I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has > > become the > > > > #1 sales car in > > > > America and now they are showing how unhappy they > > are about > > > > it. > > > > > > > > J > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Theoldcars at aol.com > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems? > > > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM > > > > > > > > > >? > > > > >? > > > > >? > > > > > > > > > > I have had the following?problem with > > > > > many?antilock brakes. > > > > > ? > > > > > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover > > or > > > > > even?a wet slick painted area. When the one > > wheel > > > > hits > > > > > before another or one by itself with the > > brakes on. > > > > The few > > > > > hundreds of a second the wheel would have > > locked up > > > > triggers > > > > > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle > > stops > > > > much > > > > > slower because the problem the system senses > > is only > > > > for a > > > > > couple of feet. The system delays the > > vehicle stopping > > > > by > > > > > rapidly?pulsing on all the wheels and this > > vastly > > > > > extends your stopping distance. Just about > > 100% of the > > > > time > > > > > it is reacting to an event that?would not > > have been > > > > a > > > > > control problem and I hate it. This always > > seems to > > > > happen > > > > > at slow speeds and it?always seems to do it > > at > > > > > a?critical time. Like 20 or 30?feet before > > your > > > > > going to hit something. > > > > > ? > > > > > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to > > a stop I > > > > > have expectations that I will come to a stop > > in a > > > > > predictable way. > > > > > ? > > > > > Don > > > > > ? > > > > > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM > > Pacific > > > > > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > > > writes: > > > > > 1. Re: Prius brake problems? > > > > > (gfifield at onlinenw.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > > > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) > > > > > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake > > problems? > > > > > To: "Myles Twete" > > > > > > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > > Message-ID: > > > > > ? ? > > > > > > > <58f09b40c3e99f83b91ba13b3b0a851a.squirrel at mail.onlinenw.com> > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > > > > > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius > > problems: > > > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple > > > > > > > > > > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "report suggests is that sometimes > > the braking > > > > > system in the Prius can > > > > > > stop > > > > > > working on bumpy and slippery > > roads." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius > > recall for this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -mt > > > > >? > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? ? ? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Oeva-list mailing list > > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 5 > > > **************************************** > > > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich > > email service. Get > > it now. > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:55:03 -0800 > From: steve boser > Subject: [Oeva-list] How about a little irony with that hybrid > To: Oeva-list at oeva.org > Message-ID: > <62256f591002051555u5ad341e4web53a1e7b1a6fbc2 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I realize how serious Toyota's situation is, and as more and more > CPU's get installed in everyday items, how they interact with each > other could have similar effects of a person taking multiple > perscriptions, and how each drug interacts with the others. > > I'm sure it was completely unintentional poking at two separate > industries but today there very well may be more and more truth to the > poking. > > Think back to 1998. > > For a better read, try Aurthur C Clark's short story "Dial F for Frankenstein" > > > Thanks > Steve > > Please I am not saying the sky is falling, just thought we all could use a break > > > If General Motors Built Cars like Microsoft... > > At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the > computer industry with the auto industry and stated: "If GM had kept > up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be > driving twenty-five dollar cars that got 1000 miles to the gallon." In > response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release > stating (supposedly by Mr. Welch himself): "Yes, but would you want > your car to crash twice a day?" > > Then others added these comments: > > 1. Every time they repainted the lines on the road you would have to > buy a new car. > > 2. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason, and > you would just accept this, restart and drive on. > > 3. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause > your car to stop and fail and you would have to re-install the engine. > For some strange reason, you would accept this too. > > 4. You could only have one person in the car at a time, unless you > bought Car95 or CarNT . But then you would have to buy more seats. > > 5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was > reliable, five times as fast, twice as easy to drive, but would only > run on five percent of the roads. > > 6. The Macintosh car owners would get expensive Microsoft uprgrades to > their cars, which would make their cars run much slower. > > 7. The oil, gas and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a > single "general car fault" warning light. > > 8. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt. > > 9. The airbag system would say are you sure? before going off. > > 10. If you were involved in a crash, you would have no idea what happened. > > 11. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you > out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door > handle, turned the key, and grabbed hold of the radio antenna. > > 12. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of > Rand McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither > needed nor wanted them. Attempting to delete this option would > immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50% or more. > Moreover, GM would become the target of investigation by the Justice > Department. > > 13. Every time GM would introduce a new model car buyers would have to > learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would > operate in the same manner as the old car. > > 14. You'd press the "start" button to shut off the engine. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 7 > **************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100205/38eff4ad/attachment-0001.html From climer97007 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 5 17:15:12 2010 From: climer97007 at yahoo.com (Gene Climer) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:15:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 7 Chevron Blocking of NiMH batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <554928.63520.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At the risk of sounding prejudicial, does anyone have any idea how many people were injured, burned or killed due to?Ovonics NiMH traction battery?failures during the course of engineering qualification testing and beta testing? I mean, it does not take much of a failure rate that results in injury to convince any corporation to dump a technology, no matter how good it is otherwise. And we have to realize that this data is not likely to exist in the public domain. Gino ? ________________________________ From: mark barthemer To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 4:43:29 PM Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 7 Chevron Blocking of NiMH batteries Janet - Thanks for the message.? My mention of the refusal of Chevron (or whichever oil company that now owns the patent)? to license the Ovonics NiMH traction batteries for further EV use (including plug-in hybrids and replacements for the original NiMH pack in the electric RAV-4) was not just rhetorical.? I don't know if the issue has been dealt with on this site, but if ever a subject seemed ripe for a Congressional inquiry, this is it -? combining as it does the rosy glow of corporation-bashing with what seems like a real instance of the strategic use of a patent solely to strangle a rival technology, with real harm to the public.? I may have missed something, but I don't recall seeing this in the mainstream media - it is only the EV & alt-energy sites that have discussed it.? Can we light a fire under someone, especially in an election year? Thanks for the soapbox.? Mark Parthemer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100205/96fcb9be/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Sat Feb 6 07:43:20 2010 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 07:43:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] For Sale: Electric Honda Civic DX In-Reply-To: References: <582047.13588.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <704562.86886.qm@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <750554.91072.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <212190.79852.qm@web110513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <864668.38205.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello Everyone, I hope your week went well. I'm putting my electric Civic on the market for anyone who wants to tinker but doesn't have a huge amount of time to do their own conversion. Cheers, Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------- For Sale: ELECTRIC '92 Honda Civic 4-door $8950/firm Fight rising gas prices and show your freedom from foreign oil by purchasing an all-electric vehicle! No gasoline. No oil changes. No tuneups. No emissions testing. No kidding! Costs less than those 25mph-limited neighborhood electric vehicles and goes highway speeds while seating five people with trunk space. - Netgain Warp9 motor takes the car up to 85mph top speed - Locally built Synkromotive DC-700 controller with USB interface - RPM sensor on motor tailshaft prevents over-revving motor - 144V pack with twelve Lifeline GPL 31-T AGM batteries (100Ahr each) - Batteries are 1.5 years old and have 5000 miles on them - Belktronix charger(8 amp to pack) with integrated DC-DC converter(50 amp) - Pulls 12 amps max from a standard 110VAC outlet for charging - Full shunt balancing system to keep batteries balanced and charged right - Balancers are temperature compensated and have military-grade external shunt resistors to prevent localized heating near batteries - Link-10 E-meter and PakTrakr to monitor battery health. PakTrakr has serial interface with 2MB logging memory and serial-USB cable - High quality transmission adapter plate made of aircraft-grade aluminum from ElectroAutomotive. This adapter keeps the clutch for easy motor disconnect and fast shifting. This 5-speed will never stall. - Brake system assisted by Swiss-made MES 70/6E vacuum pump - Modified suspension with coil-overs and custom springs from Ground Control - Range is 20 miles at 55 mph on freeway, more if going slower, less in cold - Best for 10 miles between charges to maintain battery life - Pioneer CD player with 50Watt per channel stereo - BONUS: Comes with HP Mini Netbook to monitor controller/PakTrakr - Extras: charging cord with timer, spare parts box, 100ft extension cord - Minor downsides: manual steering; no heater or AC; no battery heaters I'm looking for a buyer who wants to learn the inner workings of the car. I will be happy to spend time going over the details so you can maintain and upgrade your vehicle. The price is less than the cost of all the components combined and you don't have to spend countless hours doing your own conversion. I will be happy to talk to you about the pros and cons of owning this vehicle so you get an accurate picture of what's involved. I want to make sure this all-electric car meets your needs and you fully enjoy it! Full technical specs and pictures at: http://www.evalbum.com/1839 Blog with full history of the car: http://civic-ev.blogspot.com Discussion group and plans: http://groups.google.com/group/civic-ev-kit For more information, please contact Tim at (503)249-5833 or e-mail me at tim_kutscha at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Feb 4th for EV companies - Hold a race? Expand from just Portland or help other cities get groups going Garage Tour OEVA sponsored garage Increase membership Include dealerships in meeting? - Corporate members? - Speakers? - Local dealers? More Fun More Social Events Increase member participation From evmail4ron at yahoo.com Sun Feb 7 17:48:33 2010 From: evmail4ron at yahoo.com (Ron Jayasuriya) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 17:48:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Null modem/crossover cable adapter needed Message-ID: <765568.8971.qm@web110104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Here's a super geeky request for the die-hard techies out there: I am trying to connect an Agilent Data Logging device to a laptop using a 9 pin serial port. Standard DB9 connector, but... The pinout shows the following pins reversed: 2/3, 4/6, 7/8, with pins 1,5 and 9 unchanged. Yes, I am sure that I can order it, but I thought I would see if anyone has one I could use first (even if only while I wait for one to be shipped to me).? I have no idea how common these might be, but they don't sell them at Radio Shack or Frye's. If you have such an item, and will loan it to me for a few days, you will automatically be entered in the Techie of the Year contest.? Hmm, what would first prize be? Thanks for reading. Ron (503) 960-5964 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100207/ab087acd/attachment.html From gfifield at onlinenw.com Mon Feb 8 08:33:29 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 08:33:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Null modem/crossover cable adapter needed In-Reply-To: <765568.8971.qm@web110104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <765568.8971.qm@web110104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3492f050c6e50e292dc5f517e1ee976b.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> Hi Ron, You should be able to get this kind of cable almost anywhere fine electronics are sold. Norvac Electronics Inc 7940 Southwest Nimbus Avenue, Beaverton, OR 97008-6435 (503) 644-1025‎ http://www.norvac.net/ -give them a call. You didn't mention the model number of your Agilent Data Logger, are you hooking up an oscilloscope, DVM, or what? Some of these models have USB and ENET connectivity, so you may be able to use that path instead. I'll scrounge around my pile of cables to see if I have one. I do have a Belken F2N209-10 serial extender cable. DB9 Male to Female; about 10 Ft; but that won't be a Null Modem connection. Your welcome to borrow that to start if you get the following: The other thing to look for is a Null Modem adapter, that will swizzle the connections in a small adapter. Then for some reason you always come up with the wrong sex on one end and need a M-2-M or F-2-F connector adapter. Gene Fifield > Here's a super geeky request for the die-hard techies out there: > > I am trying to connect an Agilent Data Logging device to a laptop using a > 9 pin serial port. > Standard DB9 connector, but... > > The pinout shows the following pins reversed: 2/3, 4/6, 7/8, with pins 1,5 > and 9 unchanged. > > Yes, I am sure that I can order it, but I thought I would see if anyone > has one I could use first (even if only while I wait for one to be shipped > to me).? I have no idea how common these might be, but they don't sell > them at Radio Shack or Frye's. > > If you have such an item, and will loan it to me for a few days, you will > automatically be entered in the Techie of the Year contest.? Hmm, what > would first prize be? > > Thanks for reading. > > Ron > (503) 960-5964 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Mon Feb 8 12:40:51 2010 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:40:51 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon EV Promotional Video Message-ID: I am working on an Oregon promotional video on the EV Industry. We need people with recognizable EVs to drive around/near Oregon Landmarks for part of the video shoot. If you are interested in your EV having a potential to be in the video, please send me an e-mail with: -Your name -E-mail -Contact phone number -Photo of your EV. (If available) -Short Description: (Year, Make, Model, factory/conversion i.e.):1996 Geo Metro converted to electric by Solectria in Massachusetts Never had an ICE in the vehicle. If it is a conversion and has signs or graphics that make it stand out, or like a Corbin Sparrow, it "looks like" an EV, the we could possibly use it in the video. Any Factory EVs would be great, Ranger, S-10, RAV4, EV-1????, Milburn, Electric Bicycle, skateboard, unicycle........ or ?????? Please send to my e-mail rather than just replying to the whole group and use Oregon EV Video in the subject Line. Thanks, Rick.durst at pgn.com Rick Durst ________________________________________________ Rick Durst | Portland General Electric 121 SW Salmon St, 3WTC0407 | Portland, Oregon 97204 | *: 503.464-7631 | 7: 503.464-2284 | *: Rick.Durst at pgn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But, instead it reveals a hint of some fantastic developments. - This car is going into limited production "based on demand" which is sure to be extreme - even though it will be way too expensive. - In this car they are beginning to tap into some extreme EV performance advantages over ICE - specifically computer directed thrust and braking to each wheel - And redundant thrust and braking systems by using four motors + disc brakes. - Notice also, that this isn't the typical wimpy approach to EVs like an iMEV or a ThinkCity (though great cars for that category), this is a car built to address performance without the typical big business (dare I suggest "Big Oil") limiting agendas that attempt to safeguard current cash cows. This is another of the first true signs of honest competition, like GM's response to Ford's Focus EV intro at last month's Detroit Auto show where they actually said that they could and would produce an all electric Volt. I, for one, applaud healthy and open competition and I am seeing it on display here. Good indicator of things to come. Best regads, John P. Christian OEVA Chairman Please consider the environment before printing this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100208/67abf513/attachment.html From Theoldcars at aol.com Tue Feb 9 12:30:26 2010 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:30:26 EST Subject: [Oeva-list] Solectria emeter Message-ID: <120c6.6d17507b.38a31fe2@aol.com> Hello Alan You should join the Yahoo Solectria group. There are several hundred of them still running across the United States and most owners are on the list. Like most EV groups they are very helpful, supportive and have members who have just about fixed everything to come up so far. This is the email address _solectria_ev at yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:solectria_ev at yahoogroups.com) but your going to need to join first. Here is a link to do that _https://login.yahoo.com/config/login_verify2?.intl=us&.src=ygrp&.done=http%3a//groups.yahoo.com%2Fgroup%2Fsolectria_ev%2Fjoin_ (https://login.yahoo.com/config/login_verify2?.intl=us&.src=ygrp&.done=http://groups.yahoo.co m/group/solectria_ev/join) The OEVA is a great local association but is not the best source for the Solectria support or trouble shooting. Very few OEVA members have owned a Solectria or have worked on them. I have posted your question on the Solectria group list and see what the response is. Don In a message dated 2/9/2010 12:00:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: Message: 2 Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:51:27 -0800 From: Alan Batie Subject: [Oeva-list] Solectria emeter To: oeva-list at oeva.org Message-ID: <4B70794F.1030600 at batie.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I went out to go to work in my Solectria this morning and discovered the emeter display blank and the slight odor of the smoke that makes electronics work. I sniffed around a little, and since it seemed like it was just the emeter and not something "inline", I gave the car a try and it does appear to be operating normally otherwise. Now the question is, where or even if, I can replace it. Suggestions? Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Since it *is* the logical place though, I signed up with another email address and it appears that rather than replacing the emeter, all I likely need to do is replace a resistor that tried to protect a fuse (apparently unsuccessfully, as apparently the fuse needs replaced too). I won't be able to get to it until this weekend though... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5249 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100209/335a5e06/attachment.bin From gfifield at onlinenw.com Wed Feb 10 17:30:50 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:30:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] tesla at CES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From Electronic Design. Seems a little light on the technical details, and I hope you can open w/o subscribing. http://electronicdesign.com/DesktopModules/UltraVideoGallery/uvg.swf?vId=440&portalId=0 http://electronicdesign.com/DesktopModules/UltraVideoGallery/uvg.swf?vId=441&portalId=0 From richard.reinoehl at verizon.net Thu Feb 11 00:50:00 2010 From: richard.reinoehl at verizon.net (richard.reinoehl at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:50:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Tonight's meeting Message-ID: <16035739.558.1265878200953.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> Food and drink provided. OEVA Where you can have your cake and eat it too. From patrick0101 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 14:12:21 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:12:21 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Need an Charging Stations "There's an app for that" and it's free Message-ID: <8c28d7b51002111412k7576a5e7n6fe650549b013420@mail.gmail.com> There is now an iPhone app to help you find charging stations. Details below: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tom Dowling Date: Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:45 PM Subject: [S10-EV] iPhone users: Now "There's an app for that" -- and it's free. To: rav4-ev at evchargernews.com, s10-ev at evchargernews.com, EV1 Club < ev1-club at cco.caltech.edu>, ev1-ncal at evchargernews.com, ranger-ev at yahoogroups.com, ranger-ev at evchargernews.com, EVChargerNews at evchargernews.com I was going to send an announcement, but Sherry Boschert has beat me to it, and said it better than I could. The App is in the App Store now -- search on "ev charger". Jeff and I are working together to improve this app, and add new features. Jeff has done a great job! Stay tuned for future versions. The only missing Tesla charger along 101, as far as I am aware, is Goleta. The station became operational recently, and the database will be updated soon. If you know of any other missing 208-240V charging stations, please fill out the form at http://www.evchargernews.com/chargerform.txt (Note that we don't list 120V-only charging stations.) ================ An EV Driver's Favorite App Posted: 10 Feb 2010 08:07 PM PST I'm a relatively new iPhone user, but I think I've already found my favorite app of all time -- the EV Charger Finder app. Jeff Lander, who drives an electric BMW Mini, created this free app utilizing the best database of EV charging locations that exists -- Tom Dowling's evchargernews.com. Electric vehicle drivers have been contributing reports to Tom's website for years, and he maintained it as a labor of love. I'm just giddy over the elegance and ease of the iPhone application. It shows lists of charging stations by city, or by different kinds of charging stations, and tells you how far a station is from your location and which stations are working or have problems at the moment. Some quick-eyed EV drivers already noticed it's missing a few of the Tesla charging stations on California's Highway 101, but these and many, many more are sure to be added as the charging infrastructure gets built up in a big way in the coming year. The EV Charger Finder app is free, and free of advertising, too! Hooray for Tom and Jeff and the fabulous EV driving community for supporting each other's desire to drive on clean, affordable domestic electricity. -- Sherry Boschert (@sherryboschert on Twitter) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Richard, Please take a minute or two and run through the following agenda: - Intro - Brief description of the nights planning activity - Welcome new folks and visitors (make sure that someone is available after the meeting to answer questions) - Treasurers report - Dues announcement - Event report out o Activities since last meeting o Upcoming opportunities - Awareness Day planning update - Anything else I forgot - Opens Also, all you old hands in the group, please help Richard out where appropriate. For instance, someone please watch the time and start everyone heading into the meeting room at about 5 minutes until 7:00 pm. And all those things that you know I missed. Thanks and I know the meeting will be another great success, John P. Christian (503) 704-2155 - mobile -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100211/b26ab1ec/attachment.html From morbiusx1 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 12 15:11:48 2010 From: morbiusx1 at hotmail.com (mark barthemer) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:11:48 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 15 Trexa DIY EV base "skateboard" to sell for $15, 999 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Trexa has released pricing for its EV barebones platform for DIY builders - It will sell for $15,999 See http://www.gizmag.com/trexa-electric-vehicle-pricing/14119/ Cheers - mwp > From: oeva-list-request at oeva.org > Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 76, Issue 15 > To: oeva-list at oeva.org > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:00:04 -0800 > > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > oeva-list at oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oeva-list-owner at oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fwd: Need an Charging Stations "There's an app for that" and > it's free (patrick0101 at gmail.com) > 2. Nissan Leaf Ordering (patrick0101 at gmail.com) > 3. For tonight's meeting (Christian, John P) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:12:21 -0800 > From: patrick0101 at gmail.com > Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Need an Charging Stations "There's an app > for that" and it's free > To: OEVA > Message-ID: > <8c28d7b51002111412k7576a5e7n6fe650549b013420 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > There is now an iPhone app to help you find charging stations. Details > below: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tom Dowling > Date: Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:45 PM > Subject: [S10-EV] iPhone users: Now "There's an app for that" -- and it's > free. > To: rav4-ev at evchargernews.com, s10-ev at evchargernews.com, EV1 Club < > ev1-club at cco.caltech.edu>, ev1-ncal at evchargernews.com, > ranger-ev at yahoogroups.com, ranger-ev at evchargernews.com, > EVChargerNews at evchargernews.com > > I was going to send an announcement, but Sherry Boschert has beat me > to it, and said it better than I could. > > The App is in the App Store now -- search on "ev charger". > > Jeff and I are working together to improve this app, and add new features. > Jeff has done a great job! Stay tuned for future versions. > > The only missing Tesla charger along 101, as far as I am aware, is Goleta. > The station became operational recently, and the database will be updated > soon. If you know of any other missing 208-240V charging stations, please > fill out the form at > http://www.evchargernews.com/chargerform.txt > > (Note that we don't list 120V-only charging stations.) > > ================ > > > An EV Driver's Favorite App > Posted: 10 Feb 2010 08:07 PM PST > > I'm a relatively new iPhone user, but I think I've already found my > favorite app of all time -- the EV Charger Finder app. Jeff Lander, > who drives an electric BMW Mini, created this free app utilizing the > best database of EV charging locations that exists -- Tom Dowling's > evchargernews.com. Electric vehicle drivers have been contributing > reports to Tom's website for years, and he maintained it as a labor of > love. > > I'm just giddy over the elegance and ease of the iPhone application. > It shows lists of charging stations by city, or by different kinds of > charging stations, and tells you how far a station is from your > location and which stations are working or have problems at the > moment. Some quick-eyed EV drivers already noticed it's missing a few > of the Tesla charging stations on California's Highway 101, but these > and many, many more are sure to be added as the charging > infrastructure gets built up in a big way in the coming year. > > The EV Charger Finder app is free, and free of advertising, too! > Hooray for Tom and Jeff and the fabulous EV driving community for > supporting each other's desire to drive on clean, affordable domestic > electricity. > > -- Sherry Boschert (@sherryboschert on Twitter) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100211/5d6028e1/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:46:56 -0800 > From: patrick0101 at gmail.com > Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf Ordering > To: OEVA > Message-ID: > <8c28d7b51002111646y57bfad03ke3b25c5badd24ce6 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nissan Leaf purchase process has been announced. Pricing coming in April. A > $100 refundable deposit required, deliveries beg Dec. 2010. If you are in an > announced market, you can register at NissanUSA.com > > http://green.autoblog.com/2010/02/11/nissan-taking-orders-for-leaf-in-august-deliveries-begin-decemb/ > > Regards, > Pat > Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off =D~ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100211/4d5abc92/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:21:25 -0700 > From: "Christian, John P" > Subject: [Oeva-list] For tonight's meeting > To: OEVA > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > All, > > I am coming down with something and do not feel well. Normally I would ignore this and write it off but, in today's wacky world of severe Flu viruses, I think it best to avoid risking making others sick. To that end, I will leave tonight's meeting in Richard's capable hands. He already owns most of the agenda for tonight's meeting anyway. > > Richard, > > Please take a minute or two and run through the following agenda: > - Intro > - Brief description of the nights planning activity > - Welcome new folks and visitors (make sure that someone is available after the meeting to answer questions) > - Treasurers report > - Dues announcement > - Event report out > o Activities since last meeting > o Upcoming opportunities > - Awareness Day planning update > - Anything else I forgot - Opens > > Also, all you old hands in the group, please help Richard out where appropriate. For instance, someone please watch the time and start everyone heading into the meeting room at about 5 minutes until 7:00 pm. And all those things that you know I missed. > > Thanks and I know the meeting will be another great success, > > > John P. 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100212/c7a3a169/attachment.html From gfifield at onlinenw.com Sun Feb 14 19:27:20 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:27:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] INTEL INTER wanted Elec vehicle Utility Research - 574571 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3b009f599b1a0b830dc99d2668d0ff7e.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> INTEL JOB POSTING Elec vehicle Utility Research - 574571 Description Perform research in the field of electric vehicle (EV) to utility grid interface with a focus on optimization algorithms to support smart charging and vehicle-to-grid transactions of EVs. Research will be conducted into the application of optimization in a distributed fashion rather than through a hierarchical architecture with aggregators. Proposed algorithms will be tested in a simulation environment modeling an electric distribution network with various levels of EV penetration. Optimization may be for minimal cost while taking into account EV owners� charging preferences and travel requirements, and local distribution system capacity. Qualifications Candidate must have a strong background in power systems, power electronics, linear systems, control systems and optimization theory. A general knowledge of EV power train and energy storage technologies are a strong plus. Proficient in the use of Matlab/Simulink and electric circuit simulators. A strong track record in publishing technical papers or technical accomplishments in related fields is also a plus. Candidate must be self-motivated, have strong communication and team skills. Education: Ph.D. candidate in electrical engineering. Masters degree candidates with exceptional skills in the desired areas will also be considered. Job Category : General Primary Location : USA-Oregon, Hillsboro Full/Part Time : Full Time Job Type : Student/Intern Regular/Temporary : Temporary Posting Date : Feb 8, 2010 Apply Before : May 31, 2010 Business Group The mission of the Corporate Technology group is to drive Intel's technology leadership. This includes coordinating research and development among several business groups and aligning Intel's strategies and technologies with industry needs. The goal is to accelerate the convergence of computing and communications. Posting Statement : For U.S.: We will accept applications/resumes until 45 days after posting date or earlier at Intel?s discretion. http://www.intel.com/jobs/jobsearch/index_js.htm?Location=200000016&JobCategory=200000014 From AlphaWaveE at aol.com Mon Feb 15 13:11:47 2010 From: AlphaWaveE at aol.com (AlphaWaveE at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:11:47 EST Subject: [Oeva-list] Warp 11 Message-ID: <126b6.15f973d2.38ab1293@aol.com> Hi all, I have a warp 11 purchased new last year and never used. If there is someone out there who would like to use it, they can have it for $2500. Wade -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Gene Climer OEVA Sponsored Garage 503-642-2017 (Home) 503-267-1648 (Mobile) ________________________________ From: "AlphaWaveE at aol.com" To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Mon, February 15, 2010 6:22:39 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] Motor and Car Hey guys, If you want a car to go with that Warp 11 motor, I have an 88 gxl RX-7 that is ready to go to work on. $800 for the car.??? $2500 for the Warp 11. Wade Home 360) 425-6252??? Cell? 360) 560-4612 And Bubba, give me a call.? I lost your number. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100216/6aa981de/attachment.html From phil at hochstetler.com Wed Feb 17 13:16:51 2010 From: phil at hochstetler.com (phil hochstetler) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:16:51 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] 3 Tesla Employees Killed in Plane Crash Message-ID: <37a5993b1002171316v24d43957t3426b2063c9bffe3@mail.gmail.com> Sad news for Tesla today. Link: http://bit.ly/9Yrk0g --phil From patrick0101 at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 13:13:27 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:13:27 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] EDTA Conference Presentations Message-ID: <8c28d7b51002181313y311bfa28i3d03769691db34ff@mail.gmail.com> Electric Drive Transportation Association (EDTA) Conference Presentations are online http://www.electricdrive.org/index.php?ht=d/sp/i/13921/pid/13921 Regards, Pat Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off =D~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The website is http://www.portlandalliance.com/index.html and go to the Events tab and annual meeting for more information. or here is the link to go register at http://portlandorassoc.weblinkconnect.com/cwt/External/WCPages/WCEvents/EventDetail.aspx?EventID=1623 [http://www.portlandalliance.com/images/2010am_logo.gif] [http://www.portlandalliance.com/images/2010am_header.gif] [http://www.portlandalliance.com/images/2010am_speaker.gif] [http://www.portlandalliance.com/images/2010am_date.gif] Register now >> [http://www.portlandalliance.com/images/2010am_tag.gif] [http://www.portlandalliance.com/images/2010am_sponsors.gif] ________________________________ ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Jeff On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Gene Climer wrote: > Forgive me, but, tax credits? > Don't you need a problem like profits to be able to benefit from tax > credits? > Arcimoto won't likely be operating in the black for awhile. > Of course, maybe I am missing something in the details? > Gene > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "patrick0101 at gmail.com" > *To:* OEVA > *Sent:* Wed, February 24, 2010 11:13:07 PM > *Subject:* [Oeva-list] Tax Credit for Ore. EV Manufacturers > > Arcimoto, Barefoot, & Bramo could be growing soon with help from the state. > > Oregon electric vehicle manufacturers can now get up to $1.25 million in > tax credits to expand http://bit.ly/aym2Eo > > Regards, > Pat > Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off =D~ > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100225/3553e4e5/attachment.html From blaze at chargenw.com Thu Feb 25 09:06:24 2010 From: blaze at chargenw.com (Jim Blaisdell) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:06:24 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Coulomb Press Release: ChargePoint iPhone App Now Available References: <445365.47538.qm@web304.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39182419-6EB1-445E-A287-F7A899127FA0@chargenw.com> > > Hi Everyone: > > > > Coulomb today announced that the ChargePoint? iPhone App is now > available in the iTunes App Store. > > > > The ChargePoint iPhone App gives electric vehicle owners the > ability to not only easily locate ChargePoint? Networked Charging > Stations for electric vehicles anywhere in North America, but see > in real time if a charging station is currently available, in use, > or out of service. Using the iPhone or iPod Touch, drivers can use > the app to start and stop charging sessions, be notified when their > vehicle is fully charged, and get directions to stations. The > iPhone application is free and available for download here: http:// > itunes.apple.com/us/app/chargepoint/id356866743 > > > Thank you. > > > Anne Smith > > Public Relations > > Coulomb Technologies > > 408-313-8089 > > > COULOMB TECHNOLOGIES ANNOUNCES IPHONE > > APP FOR CHARGEPOINT NETWORKED CHARGING STATIONS > > > > Campbell, CA. February 23, 2010 ? Coulomb Technologies, the leader > in electric vehicle charging station infrastructure, today > announced that the ChargePoint? iPhone App is now available in the > iTunes App Store. The ChargePoint iPhone App gives electric > vehicle owners the ability to not only easily locate ChargePoint? > Networked Charging Stations for electric vehicles anywhere in North > America, but see in real time if a charging station is currently > available, in use, or out of service. Using the iPhone or iPod > Touch, drivers can use the app to start and stop charging sessions, > be notified when their vehicle is fully charged, and get directions > to stations. The iPhone application is free and available for > download here: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/chargepoint/id356866743 > > > "With Coulomb's in-place networked charging station installations, > the timing and availability of this iPhone App is perfect," said > Felix Kramer, Founder of Palo Alto-based CalCars.org, a leading > plug-in hybrid advocacy and technology demonstration non-profit, > and an advisor to Coulomb. "Plug-in vehicle drivers get a cool > tool to find charging locations and other destinations. It enables > them to boost their electric miles to save money and reduce > emissions. Any current or prospective plug-in car owner can check > out this app, then show it off to spur even more interest in > fueling our cars with cleaner, cheaper, domestic electricity." > > > Using the ChargePoint iPhone App, EV drivers can now: > > > ? Find charging stations near any specified address. > ? Get turn-by-turn directions to charging stations. > ? See the real-time availability status of charging stations: > Available, In Use, or Out of Service. > ? Start and Stop charging sessions directly from an iPhone. > ? Get directions from current location to where the vehicle is > charging. > ? Get status on current or most recent charging session (energy, > greenhouse gas savings, time). > ? Receive real-time notifications of current charging session. > > > Some features require a ChargePoint? Network driver account with an > activated ChargePass? card. To create an account, and purchase or > activate a ChargePass card, go to www.mychargepoint.net and click > Sign Up. > > > "This ChargePoint iPhone App for EV drivers is the latest > accomplishment in a year of remarkable milestones for Coulomb," > said Richard Lowenthal, CEO of Coulomb Technologies. "It was just > over a year ago that the City of San Jose became the first in the > world to install networked charging stations for EVs. Today we > have more than 120 customers and have shipped stations worldwide. > The foundation for these accomplishments is the ChargePoint > Network, powered by our advanced networking technology. The > ChargePoint iPhone App works in conjunction with our Flex Billing? > system such that after charging station owners set prices for > charging at their stations, drivers can use the iPhone App to see > those prices. Possibly the most important feature of this > application is one that can only be done with networked charging > stations - the ability to get real-time status of the station. > This way you?ll never drive to a station that is already in use or > is out of service." > > > > > About Coulomb Technologies, Inc. > Coulomb Technologies is a leader in electric vehicle charging > station infrastructure with networked charging stations installed > worldwide. Coulomb developed the ChargePoint Network, with web- > based applications for Hosts, Fleet Managers, Drivers, and > Utilities, and ChargePoint Networked Charging Stations ranging in > capability from 120 Volt to 240 Volt AC charging and up to 500 Volt > DC charging. For more information, please visit http:// > www.coulombtech.com and follow Coulomb on Twitter at http:// > twitter.com/coulombevi. Download the ChargePoint iPhone App: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/chargepoint/id356866743 > > > > > Media Contact > > Anne Smith > > Coulomb Technologies, Inc. > > 408-313-8089 > > anne at annesmithcommunications.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100225/6d0e18d1/attachment-0001.html From pusa411 at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 10:25:13 2010 From: pusa411 at gmail.com (PREMIUM-USA) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:25:13 -0500 Subject: [Oeva-list] OR Tax Credit Message-ID: <793086121002251025m49f83128tbef3a2231c4e2283@mail.gmail.com> We can hope that they are "Trade-able Credits" like Green Credits are.. Then they could sell them for 65 to 85 cents on the Dollar.. But, first they must be voted into Law.. ... THX.. Daniel T "Bubba" Conway Premium-Opto 7011 Sleret Ave. Vancouver, WA 98664 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100225/6e6b9b36/attachment.html From climer97007 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 25 12:24:48 2010 From: climer97007 at yahoo.com (Gene Climer) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:24:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] OR Tax Credit In-Reply-To: <793086121002251025m49f83128tbef3a2231c4e2283@mail.gmail.com> References: <793086121002251025m49f83128tbef3a2231c4e2283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <646224.30527.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Bubba, This sounds sort of like Cap-And-Trade. Is that sort of what this is only at the State level? Cap-And-Trade?is an aspect of our?economy that?I do not?really understand. And what I do understand?of it just seems Bizarre to me. I wonder if I could get some unemployment Tax credits? Maybe I could sell them to somenone who was employed? Then that person could use my unemployment tax credits?as a tax deduction? Sort of like having a benefactor in the old days. Hey, why not. It makes almost as much sense to me. Then again, with as little of this as I understand, maybe I should not comment... Gene ? ________________________________ From: PREMIUM-USA To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 10:25:13 AM Subject: [Oeva-list] OR Tax Credit We can hope that they are "Trade-able Credits" like Green Credits are.. Then they could sell them for 65 to 85 cents on the Dollar..? But, first they must be voted into Law.. ... THX.. ? ? ? ? ? ? Daniel T "Bubba" Conway Premium-Opto 7011 Sleret Ave. Vancouver, WA 98664 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100225/12bab513/attachment.html From pusa411 at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 13:13:00 2010 From: pusa411 at gmail.com (PREMIUM-USA) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:13:00 -0500 Subject: [Oeva-list] OR Tax Credit In-Reply-To: <646224.30527.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <793086121002251025m49f83128tbef3a2231c4e2283@mail.gmail.com> <646224.30527.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <793086121002251313x39a81fd7s8a1bb877dbcf15e5@mail.gmail.com> hmmm Well it don't matter until the ink is dry.. :')~~ ... THX.. Daniel T "Bubba" Conway Premium-Opto 7011 Sleret Ave. Vancouver, WA 98664 www.Power-Skins.com www.Premium-Opto.com www.BCGJ.com 360-931-2266 C 360-859-3289 O 360-859-3287 F On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Gene Climer wrote: > Thanks Bubba, > This sounds sort of like Cap-And-Trade. > Is that sort of what this is only at the State level? > Cap-And-Trade is an aspect of our economy that I do not really understand. > And what I do understand of it just seems Bizarre to me. > I wonder if I could get some unemployment Tax credits? > Maybe I could sell them to somenone who was employed? > Then that person could use my unemployment tax credits as a tax deduction? > Sort of like having a benefactor in the old days. > Hey, why not. > It makes almost as much sense to me. > Then again, with as little of this as I understand, maybe I should not > comment... > Gene > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* PREMIUM-USA > *To:* oeva-list at oeva.org > *Sent:* Thu, February 25, 2010 10:25:13 AM > *Subject:* [Oeva-list] OR Tax Credit > > We can hope that they are "Trade-able Credits" like Green Credits are.. > > Then they could sell them for 65 to 85 cents on the Dollar.. But, > first they must be voted into Law.. > ... > > THX.. > Daniel T "Bubba" Conway > > Premium-Opto > 7011 Sleret Ave. > Vancouver, WA 98664 > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100225/0dc9dd8a/attachment.html From matwete at comcast.net Thu Feb 25 14:13:34 2010 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:13:34 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Tax Credit for Ore. EV Manufacturers Message-ID: <00dd01cab667$c6156ca0$524045e0$@net> Woohoo! Grab what you can---free money! Like that Texas trucking company that the Oregonian headlined this week showing how they got millions in Oregon tax credits while employing virtually no one in Oregon. And the energy improvements were made to trucks where only 1-2% of their miles were documented to have been from travel in Oregon. They didn't have significant Oregon business and only put together shadow business addresses in Oregon to be able to qualify for these credits ---- yet the State gave them the tax credits. The company then sold the credits to put Oregon cash in their Texas pockets. Most or all of these vehicle energy improvements already had road payback periods of under 4years, yet our legislature decided that this company needed the credits. Pure giveaway. Companies like that and other green-washing companies have made the BETC program stink. This new bill that benefits Barefoot (and Brammo and Arcimoto?) is part of the backlash against the deficiencies with the BETC. Let's hope that these EV manufacturers don't take the money and relocate to Texas of China. But frankly, I don't see why Oregon is giving BETC tax credits to EV companies that already have product that is seeing customer growth already and energy tax credits are available to the customer. Is the idea that somehow the BETC credits will reduce the price of its product to make it more affordable? Do you believe that will happen? -mt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100225/a46d00f4/attachment.html From AlphaWaveE at aol.com Thu Feb 25 19:43:38 2010 From: AlphaWaveE at aol.com (AlphaWaveE at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:43:38 EST Subject: [Oeva-list] Competition for the Leaf Message-ID: <3b80a.17656758.38b89d6a@aol.com> Thought you guys might find this article interesting. Sounds great if it is true. I would like to know more about the motor, but it sounds like a PM motor. 440 NM of torque. Around 44kg. 600 volt Any one have more info, I would love to hear about it. Espec dimensions. Wade _http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/02/amp-equinox-20100225.html_ (http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/02/amp-equinox-20100225.html) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100226/f7ade9b9/attachment.html From climer97007 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 26 14:02:56 2010 From: climer97007 at yahoo.com (Gene Climer) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:02:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Oeva-list] Competition for the Leaf In-Reply-To: <3b80a.17656758.38b89d6a@aol.com> References: <3b80a.17656758.38b89d6a@aol.com> Message-ID: <694624.82482.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From the included link: The HVH250, in its High Torque, High Flow Cooling permanent magnet version, offers up to 160 kW peak output and 440 N?m of peak torque from a 43 kg package operating at 650 VDC. The HVH250 Standard version delivers 82 kW peak output and 325 N?m peak torque from a 33.5 kg package operating at 320 VDC. ? Link to Remy Motor Info: http://www.remyinc.com/hvh.asp ? Link to HVH250R4 motor spec PDF: http://www.remyinc.com/docs/HVH250R4.pdf ? The HVH410R2?is a real monster! Imagine a pair of these back to back in a Monster 4x4! http://www.remyinc.com/docs/HVH410R2.pdf ? Wow! I?need to?get a pair! Don't tell my wife...? ;-P ? Gene Climer ? ________________________________ From: "AlphaWaveE at aol.com" To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 7:43:38 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] Competition for the Leaf Thought you guys might find this article interesting. Sounds great if it is true.? I would like to know more about the motor, but it sounds like a PM motor.? 440 NM of torque.? Around 44kg.? 600 volt Any one have more info, I would love to hear about it.? Espec? dimensions. Wade http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/02/amp-equinox-20100225.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100226/40ae4c29/attachment.html From jony at scootonthis.com Fri Feb 26 14:54:57 2010 From: jony at scootonthis.com (Jon Youngblood) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:54:57 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Save Endangered EV Business in Portland, Oregon Message-ID: Dear Friends in our Green Community, Our Light Electric Vehicle Company directly helps our customers substantially save: Money $$$ On INSURANCE! Energy Consumption Air Quality National Wealth Stress We believe that with more people participating in our company, we can change the image of LEVs and convince the public that going electric NOW (not waiting for the $40,000 electric car - sorry Mr. Gore, but pandering to Wall St. and Detroit is not helping NOW) will save them money and improve their quality of life. Help us find: A New MEMBER/MANAGER to run, or manage, the company (see the flash animation at the top of our home page, just below the header). Investors - It's time to grow into the superstore of Electric Vehicles that can provide the PNW and the U.S. with the products and support that is unequaled. Public Education - for the industry, let the public know the rewards of LEVs and the hundreds a month it can save them. Ads for us - Free or in Exchange for Stock (Membership Units in LLC) to ensure our own survival. Labor - Invest your time and skills in exchange for Membership Units. Grant writers willing to work on speculation or in exchange for Membership Units. You to Spread The Word of our plight, and of LEVs in general. BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION! It's time to make the changes. Help us promote this industry and change people's attitudes towards using these incredibly simple and sensible devices for getting around town that cost only pennies per mile, incur no monthly insurance costs, and are fun door to door means of transportation that have the potential to revolutionize how people move about. These are NOT TOYS. And if loving and respecting your home world and your progeny is cool, then these are cool! Nerds are still welcome, but it's cool to care and it's even cooler to do something that is immediately visible to your neighbors and co-workers that you are serious about facing the greatest social issue that we may ever face. Don't let our small company die. Please Help us and our for-profit company live! So that we can help be part of the solution another day - and you along with us. We have a simple solution to a global problem, and we have over 5 years of experience doing it. Since 2004 we have struggled to provide alternatives to oil addiction by supplying clean, fully electric vehicles, "Light Electric Vehicles" or LEVs, to our community. We, the Members of Scoot On This! And Electric Bike Guys LLCs, are facing the hard truth that Green in Oregon is turning brown. Despite all of the publicity, including former vice president Al Gore's new book and the associated media coverage, and all of the millions going into advancing technology that can provide clean alternatives and reducing our oil dependence and carbon footprint, we have a technology that is ready to serve this purpose, now, today, that is fully electric, renewable, and only requires that we step outside of the carriage for a while (it's nice outside the box.), we are not reaching the people in a meaningful way . Has the free market spoken? Is "No" the final word? We, like many of our competitors in past years including Eco-Motion, who spent millions on the faith that Green was really a priority of our community, and our community's government, to change "business as usual" in response to the grave threat of human modification of the environment, we have exhausted our working capital before achieving our mission. If we cannot find a solution fast, five years of hard work and experience will be lost. Maybe it's the will of the free market. Or maybe we never had enough capital from the start. Changing years of Wall St. telling us bigger is better will not happen overnight . But with your help, it will happen. Save this valuable Portland asset or it will pass away. Other Dealers Welcome, Private or Corporate Investors, or ??. Thank you, Jon Please learn more about us, contact us for more information, or visit our web site to gain further insight into what LEVs are, and why they can achieve so many of the stated goals of our current Administration in response to Global Warming: http://www.scootonthis.com or our, as yet under-developed new site http://www.electricbikeguys.com Scoot on this logo Jon D. Youngblood - Member/Manager Scoot On This! LLC jony at scootonthis.com www.scootonthis.com 9811 SE Foster Rd. Portland, OR 97266 503-505-9279 From greenerwheels at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 17:52:56 2010 From: greenerwheels at gmail.com (steve boser) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:52:56 -0800 Subject: [Oeva-list] Save Endangered EV Business in Portland, Oregon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62256f591002261752q4138a0aj25e6af2d80a69b4d@mail.gmail.com> Hi I should probably leave this alone, but I'm an opinionated old fart, if I am wrong Jon, please correct me. What I see of your business, is a conduit for Chinese products, I don't see any innovation or any contribution other than as you pointed out "for profit" (which would be you and whoever you got to go along with you) Unlike another local company that I try to do as much business as I can afford with, I have never seen your company involved in any of the Electric Bike forums I visit on a regular basis. As best I can tell none of your vehicles are listed in the Austin EV Album. I think you will find the businesses local and outside of this area that are surviving are contributing in some way to the advancement of this industry. Be it sharing information in forums, or designing and producing new products or improvements to existing designs. If all you are doing is selling a handful of inexpensive imported bikes and scooters then, your probably doing more harm to the future of mainstreaming Electric Vehicles than good. In short any company that hopes to survive in this environment needs to Innovate or Die. That's my take on it, beyond trying to make a profit, how is your company contributing to this industry and the members of the OEVA? Steve On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jon Youngblood wrote: > Dear Friends in our Green Community, > > ?Our Light Electric Vehicle Company directly helps our customers > substantially save: > > Money > $$$ On INSURANCE! > Energy Consumption > Air Quality > National Wealth > Stress > > We believe that with more people participating in our company, we can change > the image of LEVs and convince the public that going electric NOW (not > waiting for the $40,000 electric car - sorry Mr. Gore, but pandering to Wall > St. and Detroit is not helping NOW) will save them money and improve their > quality of life. > > Help us find: > > A New MEMBER/MANAGER to run, or manage, the company (see the flash animation > at the top of our home page, just below the header). > > Investors - It's time to grow into the superstore of Electric Vehicles that > can provide the PNW and the U.S. with the ?products and support that is > unequaled. > > Public Education - for the industry, let the public know the rewards of LEVs > and the hundreds a month it can save them. > > Ads for us - Free or in Exchange for Stock (Membership Units in LLC) to > ensure our own survival. > > Labor - Invest your time and skills in exchange for Membership Units. > > Grant writers willing to work on speculation or in exchange for Membership > Units. > > You to Spread The Word of our plight, and of LEVs in general. > > > > BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION! ?It's time to make the changes. ?Help us promote > this industry and change people's attitudes towards using these incredibly > simple and sensible devices for getting around town that cost only pennies > per mile, incur no monthly insurance costs, and are fun door to door means > of transportation that have the potential to revolutionize how people move > about. ?These are NOT TOYS. ?And if loving and respecting your home world > and your progeny is cool, then these are cool! ?Nerds are still welcome, but > it's cool to care and it's even cooler to do something that is immediately > visible to your neighbors and co-workers that you are serious about facing > the greatest social issue that we may ever face. > > > > Don't let our small company die. ?Please Help us and our for-profit company > live! ? So that we can help be part of the solution another day - and you > along with us. ?We have a simple solution to a global problem, and we have > over 5 years of experience doing it. > > > > Since 2004 we have struggled to provide alternatives to oil addiction by > supplying clean, fully electric vehicles, "Light Electric Vehicles" or LEVs, > to our community. ?We, the Members of Scoot On This! And Electric Bike Guys > LLCs, are facing the hard truth that Green in Oregon is turning brown. > Despite all of the publicity, including former vice president Al Gore's new > book and the associated media coverage, and all of the millions going into > advancing technology that can provide clean alternatives and reducing our > oil dependence and carbon footprint, we have a technology that is ready to > serve this purpose, now, today, that is fully electric, renewable, and only > requires that we step outside of the carriage for a while (it's nice outside > the box.), we are not reaching the people in a meaningful way . > > > > Has the free market spoken? ?Is "No" the final word? ? We, like many of our > competitors in past years including Eco-Motion, who spent millions on the > faith that Green was really a priority of our community, and our community's > government, to change "business as usual" in response to the grave threat of > human modification of the environment, we have exhausted our working capital > before achieving our mission. ?If we cannot find a solution fast, five years > of hard work and experience will be lost. ?Maybe it's the will of the free > market. ?Or maybe we never had enough capital from the start. > > > > Changing years of Wall St. telling us bigger is better will not happen > overnight . ?But with your help, it will happen. > > > > Save this valuable Portland asset or it will pass away. ? Other Dealers > Welcome, Private or Corporate Investors, or ??. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Jon > > Please learn more about us, contact us for more information, or visit our > web site to gain further insight into what LEVs are, and why they can > achieve so many of the stated goals of our current Administration in > response to Global Warming: http://www.scootonthis.com or our, as yet > under-developed new site http://www.electricbikeguys.com > > > ?Scoot on this logo > Jon D. Youngblood - Member/Manager > ?Scoot On This! LLC > jony at scootonthis.com > www.scootonthis.com > 9811 SE Foster Rd. > Portland, OR ?97266 > 503-505-9279 > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From AlphaWaveE at aol.com Fri Feb 26 21:48:46 2010 From: AlphaWaveE at aol.com (AlphaWaveE at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:48:46 EST Subject: [Oeva-list] Competition for the Leaf Message-ID: <3c492.4a6a9f15.38ba0c3e@aol.com> You and me both. Great for Cars, planes and trucks. I would like to know the price and dimensions. Just the little HVH 250 would be great on a budget. Wade In a message dated 2/26/2010 2:02:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, climer97007 at yahoo.com writes: >From the included link: The HVH250, in its High Torque, High Flow Cooling permanent magnet version, offers up to 160 kW peak output and 440 N?m of peak torque from a 43 kg package operating at 650 VDC. The HVH250 Standard version delivers 82 kW peak output and 325 N?m peak torque from a 33.5 kg package operating at 320 VDC. Link to Remy Motor Info: _http://www.remyinc.com/hvh.asp_ (http://www.remyinc.com/hvh.asp) Link to HVH250R4 motor spec PDF: _http://www.remyinc.com/docs/HVH250R4.pdf_ (http://www.remyinc.com/docs/HVH250R4.pdf) The HVH410R2 is a real monster! Imagine a pair of these back to back in a Monster 4x4! _http://www.remyinc.com/docs/HVH410R2.pdf_ (http://www.remyinc.com/docs/HVH410R2.pdf) Wow! I need to get a pair! Don't tell my wife... ;-P Gene Climer ____________________________________ From: "AlphaWaveE at aol.com" To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 7:43:38 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] Competition for the Leaf Thought you guys might find this article interesting. Sounds great if it is true. I would like to know more about the motor, but it sounds like a PM motor. 440 NM of torque. 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