[Oeva-list] Prius brake problems?

Fri Feb 5 09:23:26 PST 2010

That's not 100% true.  Yes several people have died.  Toyota HAS not used obfuscation or anything else to "cover up" the problem.  When the first people were killed Toyota came right out and said they were recalling all Prius' for their floor matts, and that they were looking further into the situation to see if their might be a deeper cause.

If you want to talk obfuscation let's talk about Ford and the Pinto.  Thousands of people were killed and Ford took the line that it wasn't their problem.  Finally after YEARS of people getting killed they FINALLY relented and recalled the car.  The problem: a $.50 part that isolated the tail pipe or muffler for going into the gas tank.  Ford thought it was cheaper to pay all the lawsuits than to recall the cars and put on the part.  This is all facts, look 'em up.

Now I don't want to get into a war on this site.  I just think it ludicrous for the gov't to be involved in this car problem when we've had much bigger car/auto industry problems.  And before people climb onto the band wagon for the lynching maybe they should check the facts.

Stepping off my soap box.

J

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, Myles Twete <matwete at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Myles Twete <matwete at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems?
> To: oeva-list at oeva.org
> Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 4:57 PM
> It's not the severity of the issues
> or that there's these recalls, it's that
> evidently Toyota has preferred obfuscation, runarounds and
> false blames for
> months rather than come out and announce a problem. 
> People have died and
> politicos gets pressured when people die and there's
> evidence that more
> could have been done earlier.  As for conspiracy of
> picking on Toyota,
> maybe, but then I don't hear them going after VW or
> Subaru---both also very
> popular here in Portlandistan.
> -mt
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org
> [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Janet Redhawk
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:24 PM
> To: oeva-list at oeva.org
> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems?
> 
> Can I just ask why this problem with Toyota cars rates a
> congressional
> inquiry?
> 
> Where was congress when the Pinto was killing thousands of
> people?
> Where was congress when Firestone tires were killing
> thousands of people?
> 
> I think the big 3 are ticked off that Toyota has become the
> #1 sales car in
> America and now they are showing how unhappy they are about
> it.
> 
> J
> 
> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Theoldcars at aol.com
> <Theoldcars at aol.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Theoldcars at aol.com
> <Theoldcars at aol.com>
> > Subject: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems?
> > To: oeva-list at oeva.org
> > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:08 PM
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > I have had the following problem with
> > many antilock brakes. 
> >  
> > Every time you go over a wet manhole cover or
> > even a wet slick painted area. When the one wheel
> hits
> > before another or one by itself with the brakes on.
> The few
> > hundreds of a second the wheel would have locked up
> triggers
> > the antilock brakes to kick in. The vehicle stops
> much
> > slower because the problem the system senses is only
> for a
> > couple of feet. The system delays the vehicle stopping
> by
> > rapidly pulsing on all the wheels and this vastly
> > extends your stopping distance. Just about 100% of the
> time
> > it is reacting to an event that would not have been
> a
> > control problem and I hate it. This always seems to
> happen
> > at slow speeds and it always seems to do it at
> > a critical time. Like 20 or 30 feet before your
> > going to hit something. 
> >  
> > I am not a tailgater but when I am coming to a stop I
> > have expectations that I will come to a stop in a
> > predictable way.
> >  
> > Don
> >  
> > In a message dated 2/4/2010 12:00:17 PM Pacific
> > Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org
> writes:
> > 1. Re: Prius brake problems?
> > (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
> > 
> > 
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:46:03 -0800 (PST)
> > From: gfifield at onlinenw.com
> > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Prius brake problems?
> > To: "Myles Twete" <matwete at comcast.net>
> > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org
> > Message-ID:
> >    
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> > 
> > Apple's co-founder Wozniak's Prius problems:
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100203/bs_afp/usjapanautotoyotarecallapple
> > 
> > http://bit.ly/9z3VJr
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > "report suggests is that sometimes the braking
> > system in the Prius can
> > > stop
> > > working on bumpy and slippery roads."
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.mibz.com/5265-new-trouble-for-toyota-prius-brake-problems.html
> > >
> > > Toyota's now looking at a Prius recall for this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -mt
> >  
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