[Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21 Skepticism vs Rudeness

Tue Jan 26 13:29:08 PST 2010

I, for one, have said I would love to be proven wrong in my skepticism, & eat crow publicly.  But I'm afraid there's little risk of that.  I see nothing like lab test results - energy in vs energy out, etc. Just bland statements that the device increases 12v to 24v - so do things for sale at Radio Shack for $7.  Talk of "SuperCharged electricity" doesn't inspire confidence, and the inventor's analogy to a radiator fan running after the car engine stops is probably more apt than he realizes - of course, it draws power from a battery.  Show us some real experimental results on the website & it might be worth a demonstration.  The guy's probably sincere, but there's no explanation of what it does & how the energy savings is achieved.  Some numbers, please.  I'd still love to be proved wrong, but I have some magnets to energize my gasoline in a drawer - they came with many promises & did nothing, as I expected.  Fortunately, I paid $2 at a garage sale, to an initial buyer who paid $150 for them.

Mark Parthemer

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> From: Jason Weitz <jason at frankencar.org>
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> Okay, I have to say something here. I fully understand that the EV community
> has been burned in the past. I fully understand that several companies and
> individuals have given us a bad reputation with the outside world, and so I
> understand that we should be careful what we claim as a community, lest more
> criticism befall us. However, does nobody else understand the difference
> between cautious skepticism and plain old rudeness? I've noticed on this
> back and forth about the 3D motor/generator as well as on other EV forums
> that the skepticism skips all decent human conversation and turns right into
> severe and low-blowing hostility. Frankly, I don't like this community
> anymore. I thought that the whole idea of being involved in the EV and
> especially DIY EV fold was that we are pushing for new and innovative
> technologies that make the world better. How do you react when someone tells
> you that EV's are impractical? You know better, so why are we so hostile to
> each other? For crying out loud, the guy's in Medford! So just civilly voice
> your skepticism and request a demonstration! There's no need to jump down
> someone's throat when they're honestly trying to make a difference.
> Furthermore, all the brilliant, "respected engineers and physicists" should
> know more than ANYBODY that science is constantly on the path of proving
> itself wrong. "Accepted Science" is the most useless kind, because if we
> accepted what we know now, we'd never learn anything new! So if you're a
> smarty-pants engineer or scientist or whatever, get the heck off your
> high-horse and go see for yourself. It absolutely amazes me that not one
> person said, "Hey that would be really amazing if it works! What a major
> step forward! Of course you can understand that I have my doubts, and I'm
> sure you know that you have to be cautious with your claims, but I'd love to
> see the machine in action for myself." It's time to stop fighting each other
> and stop being such bloody jerks just because you're so smart your head
> hardly has room for your ego. If we want to create change as a community, we
> can't allow infighting. If it were up to me, I'd boot anyone from any EV
> forum who behaved so atrociously.
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