[Oeva-list] Carey's YouTube Video

[Gene Climer]

Hi Don,
If you read Carey's website, he has a link to a YouTube video.
He shows a working prototype running and he makes certain claims.
He has is a motor driving to two generators.
He does generate a higher voltage (18V) and this results in higher current into his lightbulb.
He seems to be sincere in thinking that this is some sort of revolutionary concept.
He seems to draw conclusions from this experiment that do not make much sense to us.
His language seems to indicate that he is getting more power output than he is putting in.
Trouble is, he never bothers to compare "motor power in" versus "lamp power out".
I don't know if he understands the difference between the lamp load current, and the motor load current.
He speaks about all of it in very obtuse language.
I don't know if he is sincerely naive and ignorant of what he is actually doing, or being intentionally deceptive, or if he is just simply doing an ordinary thing and he is just thinking it is really something cool or what? For example, people have been building a 1 phase 220V AC motor to drive a 3 phase AC generator, in order to run a 3 phase piece of equipment off of 1 phase power for years. Seems like Carey thinks his concept is similar to this but novel enough in a way different than we are hearing him. 
I am leaving room for any of the above to be true, except for making more power from less.
Gino




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From: "Theoldcars at aol.com" <Theoldcars at aol.com>
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 1:17:42 PM
Subject: [Oeva-list] Smell Test?


Carey

Should you be really surprised by any of this?

You might as well had said you have invented an antigravity machine. That your device will not fall from a ten story building when pushed off. 

Then take your idea or theory and post it to an association that members make or are interested in kit or home made airplanes. That in my opinion would be a fair comparison.

Until there was an actual working example you should expect lots of rain on your parade. If you believe in it build it and everything else would follow. What you have done is put the cart before the horse and its not receiving the reception you believe it should.

Here is a link that is kind of interesting. Some recent news that somewhat relates from the National Geographic. 

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/11/1111_051111_junk_patent.html

I really do not have any more to comment. 

I wish you the best of luck.

Don





In a message dated 1/26/2010 8:13:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes:
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>Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:27:54 -0800 (PST)
>From: Carey Dahlen <carey at evergreenelectricvehicles.com>
>Subject: [Oeva-list] Smell Test?
>To: Oeva-list at oeva.org
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>Smell Test?
>I have never been attacked like this in all my life! I had to ask my self what in the hell is going on here. It has become quite clear I am not communicating effectively; this whole thing has hit a nerve, spiraling out of control.
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>I would never insult the intelligence of this worthy association.
>I see a group of people who are trying to influence positive change in the electric vehicle industry in our region. I am also. I have only been a member of this group for a short time. I?ve read your messages, Like me, I see you are all problem solvers!
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>Damage Control! In order to stop the bleeding and put an end to all this nonsense, let me make the following crystal clear! 
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>My design has absolutely nothing to do with the smoke and mirrors of so called ?Free Energy? or free energy machines period! I will not be associated with scams or be labeled as a charlatan! I am a hard working honest Christian man! 
>I have never even heard of Joseph Newman or Bruce DePalma. Nor, do I care what they do! or claim! it must be preposterous.
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>I should stop right here and let the dust settle!
>But the amount of character assignation was way over the top. A man is not a man if he does not defend himself. To imply my work is not legitimate and that I am some sort of bottom feeder seeking to steal away funding is just plain wrong!
>I am a legitimate researcher and will continue to do legitimate research!
>If anything I have been na?ve. 
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>My simple basic 3D design is based on mature electric motor and electric generator science working with-in the laws of physics and conservation.
>It takes power to make power!
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>My design is 100% about increasing output efficiency with a new frame or platform, which will allow for more options in the field of Power Generation! 
>What is wrong with a hybrid motor generator?
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>I have no disclaimer. I will back up my claims. My story is my description of how I came up with the hybrid concept. The ?Star of David? configuration accurately lays out component locations, giving designers and builders an easy overview of the expandability of the machines design.
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>To date I have followed all the rules. After conceiving my hybrid design, I began to search the web and the USPTO?s data base to see if anyone had already patented this concept. I paid my patent attorney for a professional patent searcher. The professional search came up with about a dozen similar designs but, did not exclude me from moving forward. I then built my first prototype and used the data to draft my patent application. I have paid all the required fees and my patent documents will be published by the USPTO March 2010.
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>I will have my petition filed this week with the USPTO to take advantage of the pilot program for green technologies. I am actively seeking funding to take my design to the next level, full size working models that I can use to produce the needed data to substantiate or verify my claims. That?s how the system works!
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>I realize for the most part I did not communicate properly in the beginning.
>Let the record show I was the one to introduce this new concept and shared my abstract with this group at no cost or obligation because I am excited about everything I have accomplished in this field!
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>I am Proud of all my accomplishments!
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>Sincerely,
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>Carey Dahlen, Master Electrician - General Supervising Electrician #5522S for the Great State of Oregon.
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>Carey Dahlen, CEO 
>EverGreen Electric Vehicles, LLC
>3D Propulsion, LLC?
>Website; evergreenelectricvehicles.com 
>Email; carey at evergreenelectricvehicles.com
>Business; 541-227-9063
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>Copyright ??2009 EverGreen Electric Vehicles, LLC 
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