[Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 75, Issue 28 "Simulation software for 3D concept"

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From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On
Behalf Of Carey Dahlen
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:52 AM
To: mark barthemer
Cc: Oeva-list at oeva.org
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 75,Issue 28 "Simulation
software for 3D concept"

Thank you for spelling out! I will work towards providing the data and
will report back, what ever the data shows. 
I have located a local PE who I plan to contact. Hopefully he can either
set me straight, or help me be able to communicate to you correctly. 
"3D" stands for the three independent, mechanically interconnected,
rotor diameters, capable of altering speed, torque, frequency.
Thank you

Carey Dahlen, CEO 
EverGreen Electric Vehicles, LLC
3D Propulsion, LLC 
Website; evergreenelectricvehicles.com 
Email; carey at evergreenelectricvehicles.com
<http://us.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=carey@evergreenelectricvehic
les.com> 
Business; 541-227-9063

Copyright C 2009 EverGreen Electric Vehicles, LLC 
All Rights Reserved.

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, mark barthemer <morbiusx1 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: mark barthemer <morbiusx1 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 75, Issue 28 "Simulation
software for 3D concept"
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 1:40 PM

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> 1. Re: Carey's YouTube Video (Gene Climer)
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> Carey -

With all due respect, the last thing your undefined 'concept' needs is
simulation software.  Simply publish your lab work, if any - energy in,
energy out, simple concepts like this.  Then, put up a video that shows
the gizmo increasing power, or whatever you claim it does.  The YouTube
shot proves nothing.  A valid experiment is more convincing than a dozen
simulations, especially here, where you have so far shown nothing of
substance.  As before, I wish you well - I'd love to see someone,
preferably American, tap into zero-point energy, dark energy or
whatever, but you show no evidence of having done so.    Best Wishes
(really!)   - Mark

PS - Calling the thing "3D' doesn't help, from a marketing perspective,
since that's what we live in.  What does it relate to?
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:40:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Gene Climer <climer97007 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Carey's YouTube Video
> To: carey at evergreenelectricvehicles.com, Theoldcars at aol.com
> Cc: Oeva-list at oeva.org
> Message-ID: <212070.54204.qm at web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Carey,
> What do you want to simulate?
> I have an Analog Spice tool available.
> Gino
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Carey Dahlen <carey at evergreenelectricvehicles.com>
> To: Theoldcars at aol.com
> Cc: Oeva-list at oeva.org
> Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 6:19:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Carey's YouTube Video
> 
> 
> Hello,
> ? Does anyone have access to simulation software that would work for
my 3D concept?
> Thanks, Carey =D~~~~~
> 
> 
> Carey Dahlen, CEO 
> EverGreen Electric Vehicles, LLC
> 3D Propulsion, LLC?
> Website; evergreenelectricvehicles.com 
> Email; carey at evergreenelectricvehicles.com
> Business; 541-227-9063
> 
> Copyright ??2009 EverGreen Electric Vehicles, LLC 
> All Rights Reserved.
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Theoldcars at aol.com <Theoldcars at aol.com> wrote:
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> 
> >From: Theoldcars at aol.com <Theoldcars at aol.com>
> >Subject: [Oeva-list] Carey's YouTube Video
> >To: oeva-list at oeva.org
> >Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:31 PM
> >
> >
> >Hello Jason
> >
> >I agree with Gino's post below.
> >
> >Although I did not look at the video before. What I was implying by
building a prototype is one that substantiates the claims. As already
pointed out by someone else. Being able to disconnect the battery and
the motor still runs would be one example. If the claim is this is a
more efficient motor then show the data proving this. The exact same
motor without the change and one with the change showing?power in and
power out amps and voltage.
> >
> >I watch the Video it shows nothing of substance. If your going to be
a?come up?with a new invention that is going to radically change the
world as we know it. Should it be that hard to show with a prototype
that?proves the results.?
> >
> >Don
> >
> >In a message dated 1/26/2010 3:43:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes:
> >
> >
> >Jason
> >
> >PPS Don, I don't know if you looked at the website at all, but he
does have
> >a prototype. Why not contact him (respectfully) and request a
viewing?
> >
> >Hi Don,
> >If you read Carey's?website, he has a link to a YouTube video.
> >He shows a working prototype running and he makes certain claims.
> >He has is a motor driving to two generators.
> >He does generate a higher voltage (18V) and?this results in?higher
current into his lightbulb.
> >He seems to be sincere in thinking that this is some sort of
revolutionary concept.
> >He seems to draw conclusions from this experiment that do not make
much sense to us.
> >His language seems to indicate?that he?is getting more power output
than he is putting in.
> >Trouble is, he never bothers to compare "motor power in" versus "lamp
power out".
> >I don't know if he?understands the difference between the lamp load
current, and the motor load current.
> >He speaks about all of it in?very?obtuse language.
> >I don't know if he is sincerely naive and?ignorant of what he is
actually doing, or being intentionally deceptive, or?if he is just
simply doing an ordinary thing and he is just?thinking it is really
something cool or what? For example, people have been building?a 1 phase
220V AC motor to drive a 3 phase AC generator, in order to run a 3 phase
piece of equipment off of 1 phase power for years. Seems like?Carey
thinks his concept is similar?to this but novel enough in a way
different than we are hearing him. 
> >I am leaving room?for any of the above to be true, except for making
more power from less.
> >Gino
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