From oeva_treas at yahoo.com Thu Jul 1 10:00:23 2010 From: oeva_treas at yahoo.com (Ray Blackburn) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 10:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fast charger to be install in WA on I5. Message-ID: <603639.73151.qm@web111114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The state of Washington is hoping to turn the interstate 5 corridor that runs from Canadian border to Oregon into the nation's first electric highway. The state plans to take bids from charging station manufacturers this summer and select a contractor to do the installations in the fall. The state may want to reconsider the maximum 80-mile span between charging stations, though. Mainstream EVs like the Nissan Leaf and next year's Ford Focus Electric will only have a nominal range of 100 miles. At night, in the cold or in other non-ideal conditions the range will be considerably less. Level 3 stations will generally also not fully charge a battery. This is done to prevent over-charging and damaging the battery. That means the available range will be reduced further, so the charge stations should really be no more than 50 miles apart.? http://green.autoblog.com/2010/06/30/interstate-5-in-washington-to-become-electric-highway/#comments ?Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100701/e7398be8/attachment.html From naomi.serviss at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 15:05:18 2010 From: naomi.serviss at gmail.com (naomi serviss) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 15:05:18 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] journalist query Message-ID: Dear OEVA Members, I am a journalist working on a story for a Portland online news magazine that will launch in July. We have a strong focus on innovation, the environment and sustainable energy. I'm trying to put together a story focusing on people who are trying to make the break with gasoline-fueled transportation. If you would like to be included in this story I would be happy to speak with you about your involvement. Thank you for your consideration. Best, Naomi Serviss -- Naomi Serviss Entertainment and Features Writer Enzyme Media enzyme-media.com cell (503) 961-3264 From alan at batie.org Thu Jul 1 21:17:42 2010 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:17:42 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fast charger to be install in WA on I5. In-Reply-To: <603639.73151.qm@web111114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <603639.73151.qm@web111114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C2D6866.9070105@batie.org> On 7/1/10 10:00 AM, Ray Blackburn wrote: > so the charge stations should really be no more than 50 miles > apart. That's why I would like to see them at all the rest stops, which are about that distance apart... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have used them before. The most recent time I went to Les Schwab and they used one of their tires. I think it is a little larger, but I do run 40 psi. Mine still runs fine as produced. Still get 55 mpg, and have over 160,000 miles, 10 years old. Not bad ... Nick Galaday Vernonia, OR 97064 Energy conservation-- saves more than energy! Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:51:29 EDT From: AlphaWaveE at aol.com Subject: [Oeva-list] Honda Insight tires To: oeva-list at oeva.org Message-ID: <1228e.527ac292.395ba8c1 at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi guys, Anyone remember some posts a couple months ago discussing newer, possibly better tires for the Honda Insight? And if you have links to great outlets, I would appreciate it. thanks, Wade -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100701/a69cf6c8/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100704/4e129008/attachment.html From oeva_treas at yahoo.com Mon Jul 5 10:52:35 2010 From: oeva_treas at yahoo.com (Ray Blackburn) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] I want You to get off your Gas. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <322140.15627.qm@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Pat, great pics.? Excellent poster on the back of the S10?Chevy PU.? Uncle Sam saying, "I want?You to get off?your Gass." Actualy that would have made a great t-shirt. ?Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. ________________________________ From: "oeva-list-request at oeva.org" To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Sun, July 4, 2010 12:00:05 PM Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 4 Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to ??? oeva-list at oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? oeva-list-request at oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at ??? oeva-list-owner at oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Pictures: OEVA in Hillsboro Independence Day Parade ? ? ? (patrick0101 at gmail.com) ? 2. Awareness Day 2010 (patrick0101 at gmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:02:24 -0700 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com Subject: [Oeva-list] Pictures: OEVA in Hillsboro Independence Day ??? Parade To: OEVA Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Five patriotic members of the OEVA were in the Hillsboro Independence Day parade today. http://fb.me/ynFlJqco Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100703/e5b9f5a7/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 09:01:00 -0700 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com Subject: [Oeva-list] Awareness Day 2010 To: OEVA Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Awareness Day at Pioneer Courthouse Square is less than one week away. We need more EVs to be there. Please let me know if you plan to be there on the 10th. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100704/4e129008/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 4 **************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100705/bfc41c2a/attachment.html From dimakukushkin at gmail.com Mon Jul 5 11:56:59 2010 From: dimakukushkin at gmail.com (D K) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 11:56:59 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] I want You to get off your Gas. In-Reply-To: <322140.15627.qm@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <322140.15627.qm@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I support! Infact, I wouldn't mind such sticker on my car, on passenger door. Probably 1 foot square size. Can someone give a hint on where/how much it would be to print one? I would put one on car prior to Awareness day. Dmitry (silver electric Fiero) On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Ray Blackburn wrote: > Pat, great pics. Excellent poster on the back of the S10 Chevy PU. > Uncle Sam saying, "I want You to get off your Gass." > > Actualy that would have made a great t-shirt. > > Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "oeva-list-request at oeva.org" > *To:* oeva-list at oeva.org > *Sent:* Sun, July 4, 2010 12:00:05 PM > *Subject:* Oeva-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 4 > > Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to > oeva-list at oeva.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oeva-list-request at oeva.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oeva-list-owner at oeva.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Pictures: OEVA in Hillsboro Independence Day Parade > (patrick0101 at gmail.com) > 2. Awareness Day 2010 (patrick0101 at gmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:02:24 -0700 > From: patrick0101 at gmail.com > Subject: [Oeva-list] Pictures: OEVA in Hillsboro Independence Day > Parade > To: OEVA > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Five patriotic members of the OEVA were in the Hillsboro Independence Day > parade today. > http://fb.me/ynFlJqco > > Regards, > Pat > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? 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In-Reply-To: References: <322140.15627.qm@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks. That graphic is from FOIL http://www.joinfoil.org/ Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:56 AM, D K wrote: > I support! > Infact, I wouldn't mind such sticker on my car, on passenger door. Probably > 1 foot square size. > Can someone give a hint on where/how much it would be to print one? I would > put one on car prior to Awareness day. > > Dmitry > (silver electric Fiero) > > > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Ray Blackburn wrote: > >> Pat, great pics. Excellent poster on the back of the S10 Chevy PU. >> Uncle Sam saying, "I want You to get off your Gass." >> >> Actualy that would have made a great t-shirt. >> >> Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "oeva-list-request at oeva.org" >> *To:* oeva-list at oeva.org >> *Sent:* Sun, July 4, 2010 12:00:05 PM >> *Subject:* Oeva-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 4 >> >> Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to >> oeva-list at oeva.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> oeva-list-request at oeva.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> oeva-list-owner at oeva.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Pictures: OEVA in Hillsboro Independence Day Parade >> (patrick0101 at gmail.com) >> 2. Awareness Day 2010 (patrick0101 at gmail.com) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:02:24 -0700 >> From: patrick0101 at gmail.com >> Subject: [Oeva-list] Pictures: OEVA in Hillsboro Independence Day >> Parade >> To: OEVA >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Five patriotic members of the OEVA were in the Hillsboro Independence Day >> parade today. >> http://fb.me/ynFlJqco >> >> Regards, >> Pat >> Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? 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Simple Choice On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:56 AM, D K wrote: > I support! > Infact, I wouldn't mind such sticker on my car, on passenger door. Probably > 1 foot square size. > Can someone give a hint on where/how much it would be to print one? I would > put one on car prior to Awareness day. > > Dmitry > (silver electric Fiero) > > > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Ray Blackburn wrote: > >> Pat, great pics. Excellent poster on the back of the S10 Chevy PU. >> Uncle Sam saying, "I want You to get off your Gass." >> >> Actualy that would have made a great t-shirt. >> >> Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "oeva-list-request at oeva.org" >> *To:* oeva-list at oeva.org >> *Sent:* Sun, July 4, 2010 12:00:05 PM >> *Subject:* Oeva-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 4 >> >> Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to >> oeva-list at oeva.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> oeva-list-request at oeva.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> oeva-list-owner at oeva.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Pictures: OEVA in Hillsboro Independence Day Parade >> (patrick0101 at gmail.com) >> 2. Awareness Day 2010 (patrick0101 at gmail.com) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 21:02:24 -0700 >> From: patrick0101 at gmail.com >> Subject: [Oeva-list] Pictures: OEVA in Hillsboro Independence Day >> Parade >> To: OEVA >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Five patriotic members of the OEVA were in the Hillsboro Independence Day >> parade today. >> http://fb.me/ynFlJqco >> >> Regards, >> Pat >> Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? 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Bob On Jul 5, 2010, at 11:19 PM, phil hochstetler wrote: > Another pretty graphic is at: > > http://gas2.org/files/2010/06/gasprices.jpg > > --phil > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From oeva_treas at yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 12:22:44 2010 From: oeva_treas at yahoo.com (Ray Blackburn) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 12:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Latest sponsors update list attached Message-ID: <217473.37480.qm@web111109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sorry Phil, people keep changing their order,? lucky most of the changes have been for higher sponsorships.??I sent out for logos for you and Jeff and got three responses for logos so far which I have forwarded on to you and Jeff. ?Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can talk about what you drive, how you acquired or made it, what part of EV driving is important to you (environment, national security/independence, performance, economy...) and why. I just ask that you not say anything that could get our group into legal trouble. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100706/78e5281b/attachment.html From climer97007 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 7 07:15:35 2010 From: climer97007 at yahoo.com (Gene Climer) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 07:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Fast Charging! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <342204.77879.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 3 Minutes for 50% Charging, 5 Minutes for 70%: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/BMBB/message/705 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100707/f21e7f21/attachment.html From jrenoe at formancetech.com Wed Jul 7 07:54:16 2010 From: jrenoe at formancetech.com (Josh Renoe) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:54:16 -0400 Subject: [Oeva-list] Why I Drive an EV? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Who are the speakers? Josh From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of patrick0101 at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:55 PM To: OEVA Subject: [Oeva-list] Why I Drive an EV? For EV Awareness Day (this Saturday) we are going to have a stage and PA system setup for our speakers. The speakers will take the stage at 1:00. After the formal speakers are done, we'll still have the stage and PA system from 11:00 till 3:00. If you are a member and you would like to take the stage and talk EVs (for a duration not to exceed 5 minutes), let me know I we can make it happen, either before or after the sponsors. You can talk about what you drive, how you acquired or made it, what part of EV driving is important to you (environment, national security/independence, performance, economy...) and why. I just ask that you not say anything that could get our group into legal trouble. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100707/ab9a4e24/attachment.html From cheryljardine at juno.com Wed Jul 7 09:50:44 2010 From: cheryljardine at juno.com (cheryljardine at juno.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:50:44 GMT Subject: [Oeva-list] upgrafing golf carts to LSV's Message-ID: <20100707.095044.12140.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Is anyone in town who is upgrading golf carts to LSV's? Thanks, Cheryl ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Soaring 3000% Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner Is! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c34b0969226d1b09a3st03duc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100707/0f3aa3e6/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Wed Jul 7 09:56:16 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Smart EV Message-ID: If you would like to drive a Smart EV, they will be in Hillsboro tomorrow from 1-4PM for test drives. You must be licensed and insured. The event is at the Intel Jones farm campus. Address: 2111 NE 25th Ave, Hillsboro, OR 97124 Google Map: http://bit.ly/cvkJLm This car will also be at our monthly meeting from 7:00-7:30PM tomorrow night. Display only, no test drives. It will also be at Awareness Day, but only until 10:30AM when they have to leave for a press event. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100707/93d3f4ba/attachment.html From trevor at arcimoto.com Wed Jul 7 10:04:35 2010 From: trevor at arcimoto.com (Trevor Steele) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:04:35 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Why I Drive an EV? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, If anyone has any testimonials about why they drive an EV, the Drive Oregon group would love to get them in writing. There are so many reasons for making the switch, and getting first hand accounts of why people do it can help some of the Oregon companies out in attracting outside funding. Please send these stories to me- trevor at arcimoto.com. I will make sure they are able to be used appropriately and strategically. Thanks, - Trevor On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:54 PM, wrote: > For EV Awareness Day (this Saturday) we are going to have a stage and PA > system setup for our speakers. The speakers will take the stage at 1:00. > > After the formal speakers are done, we'll still have the stage and PA > system from 11:00 till 3:00. If you are a member and you would like to take > the stage and talk EVs (for a duration not to exceed 5 minutes), let me know > I we can make it happen, either before or after the sponsors. You can talk > about what you drive, how you acquired or made it, what part of EV driving > is important to you (environment, national security/independence, > performance, economy...) and why. I just ask that you not say anything that > could get our group into legal trouble. > > Regards, > Pat > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -- Trevor Steele Director of Government Relations | Arcimoto, LLC www.arcimoto.com trevor at arcimoto.com (t) 541.683.6293 (c) 541.954.0065 Driving change. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100707/49954ee9/attachment.html From mbutts at ieee.org Wed Jul 7 20:40:51 2010 From: mbutts at ieee.org (Mike Butts) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 20:40:51 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] =?windows-1252?q?=22Steinmetz=92s_electric_before_the?= =?windows-1252?q?_Steinmetz_Electric=22?= Message-ID: "While Edison and Tesla take credit for many of the advances in understanding and applying electricity around the turn of the century, Steinmetz seems to be the real hero to many electrical engineers. Unlike Edison, Steinmetz formulated a more scientific and less scattershot approach to problem solving, and unlike Tesla, Steinmetz never became a nucleus for free energy crackpot ideas. Born a hunchback, Steinmetz couldn?t easily drive a car, but he did enjoy being driven in one, so he purchased the 1914 Detroit Electric, a Model 48 Duplex Drive Brougham. It wasn?t an unusual choice for Steinmetz, a scientist in the employ of General Electric and a member of Union College?s electrical engineering faculty for a couple decades. Edison himself owned one, as did Henry Ford." Some very nice photos.....you could drive from the front or back seats! http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2010/07/07/steinmetzs-electric-before-the-steinmetz-electric/ --Mike PS: There's a story about Steinmetz here: http://inventors.about.com/od/astartinventions/a/Steinmetz.htm He had worked on a very complex system at GE that was broken. No one could fix it no matter how hard the technicians tried. So they got Steinmetz back. He traced the systems and found the malfunctioning part and marked it with a piece of chalk. Charles Steinmetz submitted a bill for $10,000. The GE managers were taken back and asked for an itemized invoice. It said: Making chalk mark $1 Knowing where to place it $9,999 --- Mike Butts mbutts at ieee.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100707/4807e7eb/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Thu Jul 8 22:47:40 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 22:47:40 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Saturday @ Pioneer Courthouse Square Message-ID: The big event is this Saturday!! Get your EVs ready! The official start is at 9:30AM. We'll start loading vehicles into the square at 9:00AM. If you are bringing a trailer or support vehicles, you'll need to park them off the square. All the participating vehicles must be propelled, at least partially, by plugging them in (BEV or PHEV). Standard hybrids or other alt fuels are not enough to qualify. Here is a list of the open air parking lots near by: 1) SW 3rd Ave &SW Ash St 2) NW Glisan St & NW 11th Ave 3) SW Salmon St & SW 17th Ave (City) 4) NW 14th Ave & NW Irving St There are Smart Park parking structures near by too. These are pay parking lots from Smart Park and the City, the city lot is $7 per day. The smart park rate should be similar. If you use two parking spots (e.g., for a trailer), you will need to pay for both spaces. Put the paystub for the trailer in the window of the tow vehicle. This is where parking enforcement will be looking for it. Additionally, there is free parking in the area near NW 23rd & York St. This is not as close to the square, but it is free. Our treasurer and good Samaritan, Ray, has volunteered to people back and forth as needed. Just call my cell number 503.621.4552. I hope to see you there. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100708/495fa5e2/attachment.html From gary.graunke at intel.com Fri Jul 9 09:29:44 2010 From: gary.graunke at intel.com (Graunke, Gary) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:29:44 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station Message-ID: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729A53BC4D7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Time to get those J1772 kits on our cars.... The Coulomb charging station at Hillsboro Civic Center (180 NE Main St) is now J1772. Gary From: Peter Brandom [mailto:peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:30 PM To: Graunke, Gary; paburkey Cc: Bob Reitmajer; Karl Dinger; Toni Plunkett Subject: Civic Center EV Charging Station Gary/Paul, You may have already noticed, but I wanted to alert you that we have upgraded the charging station on Main St to L2 with J1772 plug. Please pass along to your OEVA colleagues and let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Peter Peter C. Brandom Project Manager II - Sustainability City of Hillsboro -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/d433a424/attachment.html From jrab at e-m-w.com Fri Jul 9 09:39:44 2010 From: jrab at e-m-w.com (John RA Benson) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:39:44 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station In-Reply-To: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729A53BC4D7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729A53BC4D7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <88D9C3DE-B28A-40A1-8945-CA15CB9493E0@e-m-w.com> Can it be there is actually a standard evolving? So where does one buy a kit and how much does it cost? jrab On Jul 9, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Graunke, Gary wrote: > Time to get those J1772 kits on our cars?. > > The Coulomb charging station at Hillsboro Civic Center (180 NE Main St) is now J1772. > > Gary > > From: Peter Brandom [mailto:peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us] > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:30 PM > To: Graunke, Gary; paburkey > Cc: Bob Reitmajer; Karl Dinger; Toni Plunkett > Subject: Civic Center EV Charging Station > > Gary/Paul, > > You may have already noticed, but I wanted to alert you that we have upgraded the charging station on Main St to L2 with J1772 plug. Please pass along to your OEVA colleagues and let me know if you have any questions. > > Thanks, > Peter > > Peter C. Brandom > Project Manager II - Sustainability > City of Hillsboro > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/3cf21f80/attachment.html From Dick-Burnham at hoffmancorp.com Fri Jul 9 09:53:20 2010 From: Dick-Burnham at hoffmancorp.com (Dick Burnham) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:53:20 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station In-Reply-To: <88D9C3DE-B28A-40A1-8945-CA15CB9493E0@e-m-w.com> Message-ID: <170F1529B91249449A690E7E1DAA5CD9068FDD9856@HCC-TOWER.Hoffmancorp.com> Hey EV parts suppliers on the OEVA List - Opportunity is KNOCKING! How about a group purchase here? Dick ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of John RA Benson Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:40 AM To: Graunke, Gary Cc: oregon electric Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station Can it be there is actually a standard evolving? So where does one buy a kit and how much does it cost? jrab On Jul 9, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Graunke, Gary wrote: Time to get those J1772 kits on our cars.... The Coulomb charging station at Hillsboro Civic Center (180 NE Main St) is now J1772. Gary From: Peter Brandom [mailto:peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:30 PM To: Graunke, Gary; paburkey Cc: Bob Reitmajer; Karl Dinger; Toni Plunkett Subject: Civic Center EV Charging Station Gary/Paul, You may have already noticed, but I wanted to alert you that we have upgraded the charging station on Main St to L2 with J1772 plug. Please pass along to your OEVA colleagues and let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Peter Peter C. Brandom Project Manager II - Sustainability City of Hillsboro _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ________________________________ --Disclaimer--Hoffman--Corporation-- This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Although steps have been taken to check for viruses, the recipient(s) should also check to ensure messages are virus free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/2078a2a3/attachment-0001.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 11:30:24 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:30:24 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station In-Reply-To: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729A53BC4D7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729A53BC4D7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: Wow. Is that the first one in the US? Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Graunke, Gary wrote: > Time to get those J1772 kits on our cars?. > > > > The Coulomb charging station at Hillsboro Civic Center (180 NE Main St) is > now J1772. > > > > Gary > > > > *From:* Peter Brandom [mailto:peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:30 PM > *To:* Graunke, Gary; paburkey > *Cc:* Bob Reitmajer; Karl Dinger; Toni Plunkett > *Subject:* Civic Center EV Charging Station > > > > Gary/Paul, > > > > You may have already noticed, but I wanted to alert you that we have > upgraded the charging station on Main St to L2 with J1772 plug. Please pass > along to your OEVA colleagues and let me know if you have any questions. > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > *Peter C. Brandom* > > Project Manager II - Sustainability > > City of Hillsboro > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/7fb285ef/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 11:54:29 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:54:29 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Press Advisory Message-ID: Here is the Press Advisory that is going out today: ** * Oregon Electric Vehicle Association Awareness Day Saturday at Pioneer Courthouse Square WHO: The Oregon Electric Vehicle Association, a nonprofit association of electric vehicle enthusiasts that promote electric vehicle education. WHAT: The Oregon Electric Vehicle Association (OEVA) will hold its annual Awareness Day brought to you by Portland General Electric (PGE) in downtown Portland. The square is filled with electric vehicles including electric cars, trucks, motorcycles, scooters, electric drag racers and boats, along with charging station displays. WHEN: Saturday, July 10, 2010 from 9:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Guest speakers from PGE, Portland Development Commission and Plug-In America will take the stage at 1 p.m. WHERE: Pioneer Courthouse Square, Portland WHY: To educate the public and promote the advancement and adoption of electric vehicles in Oregon * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/8aa8732a/attachment.html From phil.hochstetler at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 11:57:16 2010 From: phil.hochstetler at gmail.com (phil hochstetler) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:57:16 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station In-Reply-To: References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729A53BC4D7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: Nope, The first Level 2 public J1772 charging station in the world went operational on Monday, May 3, some 10 miles from Sacramento Airport in Woodside, CA. --phil On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:30 AM, wrote: > Wow. Is that the first one in the US? > Regards, > Pat > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice > > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Graunke, Gary > wrote: >> >> Time to get those J1772 kits on our cars?. >> >> >> >> The Coulomb charging station at Hillsboro Civic Center (180 NE Main St) is >> now J1772. >> >> >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> From: Peter Brandom [mailto:peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us] >> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:30 PM >> To: Graunke, Gary; paburkey >> Cc: Bob Reitmajer; Karl Dinger; Toni Plunkett >> Subject: Civic Center EV Charging Station >> >> >> >> Gary/Paul, >> >> >> >> You may have already noticed, but I wanted to alert you that we have >> upgraded the charging station on Main St to L2 with J1772 plug.? Please pass >> along to your OEVA colleagues and let me know if you have any questions. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> Peter C. Brandom >> >> Project Manager II - Sustainability >> >> City of Hillsboro >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > From chris at darkstarpro.com Fri Jul 9 11:57:48 2010 From: chris at darkstarpro.com (chris at darkstarpro.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 14:57:48 -0400 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station Message-ID: <380-22010759185748291@M2W104.mail2web.com> I'm a bit surprised about the announcement. I'll get some pictures this weekend and get them posted. I've actually started looking into trying to put together a couple of different kits, one for adding J1772 to a vehicle, and another for converting a 120/240 outlet to J1772 for compliant vehicles. It looks like right now, J1772 plugs and sockets are pretty much impossible to purchase unless you buy in quantity, so my kit plans are on hold until availability is better. If anyone knows where I could buy them without forking out almost $1,000 I'm all ears! :-) Sincerely, Chris Arnesen Original Message: ----------------- From: Dick Burnham Dick-Burnham at hoffmancorp.com Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 09:53:20 -0700 To: jrab at e-m-w.com, gary.graunke at intel.com, oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station Hey EV parts suppliers on the OEVA List - Opportunity is KNOCKING! How about a group purchase here? Dick ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of John RA Benson Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:40 AM To: Graunke, Gary Cc: oregon electric Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station Can it be there is actually a standard evolving? So where does one buy a kit and how much does it cost? jrab On Jul 9, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Graunke, Gary wrote: Time to get those J1772 kits on our cars.... The Coulomb charging station at Hillsboro Civic Center (180 NE Main St) is now J1772. Gary From: Peter Brandom [mailto:peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:30 PM To: Graunke, Gary; paburkey Cc: Bob Reitmajer; Karl Dinger; Toni Plunkett Subject: Civic Center EV Charging Station Gary/Paul, You may have already noticed, but I wanted to alert you that we have upgraded the charging station on Main St to L2 with J1772 plug. Please pass along to your OEVA colleagues and let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Peter Peter C. Brandom Project Manager II - Sustainability City of Hillsboro _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list ________________________________ --Disclaimer--Hoffman--Corporation-- This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Although steps have been taken to check for viruses, the recipient(s) should also check to ensure messages are virus free. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 11:59:53 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:59:53 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station In-Reply-To: References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729A53BC4D7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: Is this the first in Oregon? Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:57 AM, phil hochstetler < phil.hochstetler at gmail.com> wrote: > Nope, The first Level 2 public J1772 charging station in the world > went operational on Monday, May 3, some 10 miles from Sacramento > Airport in Woodside, CA. > --phil > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:30 AM, wrote: > > Wow. Is that the first one in the US? > > Regards, > > Pat > > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Graunke, Gary > > wrote: > >> > >> Time to get those J1772 kits on our cars?. > >> > >> > >> > >> The Coulomb charging station at Hillsboro Civic Center (180 NE Main St) > is > >> now J1772. > >> > >> > >> > >> Gary > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Peter Brandom [mailto:peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us] > >> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:30 PM > >> To: Graunke, Gary; paburkey > >> Cc: Bob Reitmajer; Karl Dinger; Toni Plunkett > >> Subject: Civic Center EV Charging Station > >> > >> > >> > >> Gary/Paul, > >> > >> > >> > >> You may have already noticed, but I wanted to alert you that we have > >> upgraded the charging station on Main St to L2 with J1772 plug. Please > pass > >> along to your OEVA colleagues and let me know if you have any questions. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> > >> > >> Peter C. Brandom > >> > >> Project Manager II - Sustainability > >> > >> City of Hillsboro > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Oeva-list mailing list > >> Oeva-list at oeva.org > >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/d04a4ba7/attachment.html From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 12:16:23 2010 From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 12:16:23 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station In-Reply-To: References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729A53BC4D7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: I like to think we (Shorepower) had the first prototype in Oregon, but I believe this it the first one installed in Oregon or Washington (NW). Jeff Kim President Shorepower Technologies 2351 NW York Street Portland, OR 97210 Office (503) 892-7345 Mobile (503) 686-8844 Fax (503) 802-7347 jkim at shorepower.com www.shorepower.com On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:59 AM, wrote: > Is this the first in Oregon? > > Regards, > Pat > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice > > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:57 AM, phil hochstetler < > phil.hochstetler at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Nope, The first Level 2 public J1772 charging station in the world >> went operational on Monday, May 3, some 10 miles from Sacramento >> Airport in Woodside, CA. >> --phil >> >> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:30 AM, wrote: >> > Wow. Is that the first one in the US? >> > Regards, >> > Pat >> > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Graunke, Gary >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Time to get those J1772 kits on our cars?. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The Coulomb charging station at Hillsboro Civic Center (180 NE Main St) >> is >> >> now J1772. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Peter Brandom [mailto:peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us] >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:30 PM >> >> To: Graunke, Gary; paburkey >> >> Cc: Bob Reitmajer; Karl Dinger; Toni Plunkett >> >> Subject: Civic Center EV Charging Station >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Gary/Paul, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You may have already noticed, but I wanted to alert you that we have >> >> upgraded the charging station on Main St to L2 with J1772 plug. Please >> pass >> >> along to your OEVA colleagues and let me know if you have any >> questions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Peter C. Brandom >> >> >> >> Project Manager II - Sustainability >> >> >> >> City of Hillsboro >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Oeva-list mailing list >> >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Oeva-list mailing list >> > Oeva-list at oeva.org >> > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5249 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100709/99dd45d5/attachment.bin From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Fri Jul 9 15:08:36 2010 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:08:36 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station In-Reply-To: References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729A53BC4D7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: First in Oregon for a J-1772 compliant with the new style connector ________________________________________________ Rick Durst | Portland General Electric 121 SW Salmon St, 3WTC0407 | Portland, Oregon 97204 | *: 503.464-7631 | 7: 503.464-2284 | *: Rick.Durst at pgn.com ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of patrick0101 at gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 12:00 PM To: phil hochstetler Cc: OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station Is this the first in Oregon? Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:57 AM, phil hochstetler > wrote: Nope, The first Level 2 public J1772 charging station in the world went operational on Monday, May 3, some 10 miles from Sacramento Airport in Woodside, CA. --phil On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:30 AM, > wrote: > Wow. Is that the first one in the US? > Regards, > Pat > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice > > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Graunke, Gary > > wrote: >> >> Time to get those J1772 kits on our cars.... >> >> >> >> The Coulomb charging station at Hillsboro Civic Center (180 NE Main St) is >> now J1772. >> >> >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> From: Peter Brandom [mailto:peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us] >> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:30 PM >> To: Graunke, Gary; paburkey >> Cc: Bob Reitmajer; Karl Dinger; Toni Plunkett >> Subject: Civic Center EV Charging Station >> >> >> >> Gary/Paul, >> >> >> >> You may have already noticed, but I wanted to alert you that we have >> upgraded the charging station on Main St to L2 with J1772 plug. Please pass >> along to your OEVA colleagues and let me know if you have any questions. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> Peter C. Brandom >> >> Project Manager II - Sustainability >> >> City of Hillsboro >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/e3d8550d/attachment-0001.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 16:06:39 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 16:06:39 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Awareness Day 2010 Message-ID: Awareness Day is TOMORROW!!!! I hope to see you there. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/2c1996ea/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 16:09:48 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 16:09:48 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] What Drive Us Message-ID: The "What Drives Us" podcast has just advertised our Awareness Day Event in their facebook status. What a nice thing for them to do. If you're anywhere near Portland Oregon this weekend be sure to stop by Pioneer Square and check out the future of personal transportation (something we love) Oregon Electric Vehicle Association will be exhibiting EVs there on Saturday. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=183669&id=138510433019&saved#!/whatdrivesus Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/a5593def/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 16:33:51 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 16:33:51 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Free Parking for EVAD Tomorrow Message-ID: The folks at Con-way Freight have been kind enough to donate the use of their parking lot on NW 21st Ave & NW Pettygrove St, Portland, OR 97209 for our Awareness Day Event. The lot has security and will be free. We have section A in the lot all to ourselves. Only licensed & insured vehicles and trailers can be parked here. If you damage the property, you (and your insurance) are responsible for this damage. Here is the link to the map with the lot location. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=NW+21st+Ave+%26+NW+Pettygrove+St,+Portland,+Multnomah,+Oregon+97209&ie=UTF8&hl=en&cd=1&geocode=FSnGtgIdD9Sv-A&split=0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=23.875,57.630033&hq=&hnear=NW+21st+Ave+%26+NW+Pettygrove+St,+Portland,+Multnomah,+Oregon&ll=45.52914,-122.689991&spn=0.01192,0.01929&z=16 Ray has been there and checked out the lot and will be available to shuttle you to and from this lot as needed. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/ba289a2c/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 17:35:40 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 17:35:40 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] What Drive Us In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not only did the What Drives Us guys plug Awareness Day on facebook, they also gave us a big plug near the end of their current show. http://whatdrives.us/podcast/episode-23 They mention EVAD at the 1:13:00 mark. They are funny and informative shows. Enjoy! Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:09 PM, wrote: > The "What Drives Us" podcast has just advertised our Awareness Day Event in > their facebook status. What a nice thing for them to do. > > If you're anywhere near Portland Oregon this weekend be sure to stop by > Pioneer Square and check out the future of personal transportation > (something we love) Oregon Electric Vehicle Association will > be exhibiting EVs there on Saturday. > > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=183669&id=138510433019&saved#!/whatdrivesus > > Regards, > Pat > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/de43d139/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 18:21:14 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:21:14 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Awareness Day 2010 on Twitter Message-ID: Awareness Day was just tweeted by EnzymeMedia and retweeted by CelticSolarBlog: http://twitter.com/EnzymeMedia/statuses/18159583669 Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/c913f788/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 20:45:02 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 20:45:02 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Plug-in America Message-ID: Plug-in America Posted a facebook status about our Awareness Day Event tomorrow: http://www.facebook.com/pluginamerica?ref=ts If you are on facebook, please "like" it. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100709/9684d5c7/attachment.html From Theoldcars at aol.com Fri Jul 9 22:43:58 2010 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 01:43:58 EDT Subject: [Oeva-list] J1772 charging Message-ID: <1a64.7df57f65.3969629e@aol.com> Hello Everyone I know price is a concern but how many would be interested in getting set up for J1772 charging? Someone brought up a group buy so I though I would run this by Tom Dowling as well the OEVA members. Not sure what we can do on pricing but I would be willing to help put together a group buy. I am on several EV lists and some of them might be interested? I think we could get together with the other chapters of the EAA? Tom you have any ideas? Is it to soon to get reasonable pricing? What kind of volume are we going to need? Thank you Don Blazer In a message dated 7/9/2010 3:10:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: Message: 3 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 14:01:16 -0700 From: Alan Batie Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station To: oeva-list at oeva.org Message-ID: <4C378E1C.2060300 at batie.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On 7/9/10 11:57 AM, chris at darkstarpro.com wrote: > It looks like right now, J1772 plugs and sockets are pretty much impossible > to purchase unless you buy in quantity, so my kit plans are on hold until > availability is better. If anyone knows where I could buy them without > forking out almost $1,000 I'm all ears! :-) What kind of quantity and cost are we talking about? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100710/a550dfec/attachment-0001.html From twd at twdowling.com Sat Jul 10 00:42:55 2010 From: twd at twdowling.com (Thomas W. Dowling) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 00:42:55 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] J1772 charging In-Reply-To: <1a64.7df57f65.3969629e@aol.com> References: <1a64.7df57f65.3969629e@aol.com> Message-ID: <00cb01cb2003$83be7940$8b3b6bc0$@com> Don, I don't know if volume will make a significant difference. I think we will be buying a fairly large quantity from the manufacturer. This is an OEM item, normally sold to GM, Nissan, etc., so 1,000 is a small order. For California drivers, there is some adapter and inlet funding from the California Energy Commission, so there will be a big buy that we can add to. We don't expect to be able to get UL-listed inlets until September or October. We have most of the engineering done, but we haven't decided who is going to do the assembly. If any of you have suggestions for an assembler, let me know. The assembler does not have to be in California. I'm guessing that the inlet alone will be in the $200-$275 range, and a complete adapter might add $100 or so to that. Are drivers thinking of putting J1772 inlets on their cars, or do they intend to use a J1772 to 14-50 adapter? For the Ranger EV, we have in mind to create a J1772 to Avcon "claw" adapter. That way, drivers don't need to modify their cars, and they can continue to use Avcon charging at home. The Avcon "claw" would be at the end of a short cable, about 18" to 20" long. The J1772 inlet would then be just below the bumper. Can we get a rough count of how many inlets your group would purchase, broken down by the three types mentioned above - all level 2, 208-240V, 32A. (The UL-listed connector is actually rated 30A.) 1) J1772 to 14-50 adapter 2) J1772 inlet only, with wiring, for vehicle installation 3) J1772 inlet to Avcon claw, for Ranger EV. 4) Another item some folks might be interested in is a J1772 extension cable - J1772 to inlet to J1772 connector, about 20' long. This would be at least $500. It could be used to charge when a charging station is blocked. The standard cables will be 20' or 25' long, so there may not be much call for this item. Any interest? Tom Dowling From: Theoldcars at aol.com [mailto:Theoldcars at aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:44 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Cc: twd at twdowling.com Subject: J1772 charging Hello Everyone I know price is a concern but how many would be interested in getting set up for J1772 charging? Someone brought up a group buy so I though I would run this by Tom Dowling as well the OEVA members. Not sure what we can do on pricing but I would be willing to help put together a group buy. I am on several EV lists and some of them might be interested? I think we could get together with the other chapters of the EAA? Tom you have any ideas? Is it to soon to get reasonable pricing? What kind of volume are we going to need? Thank you Don Blazer In a message dated 7/9/2010 3:10:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: Message: 3 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 14:01:16 -0700 From: Alan Batie Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station To: oeva-list at oeva.org Message-ID: <4C378E1C.2060300 at batie.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On 7/9/10 11:57 AM, chris at darkstarpro.com wrote: > It looks like right now, J1772 plugs and sockets are pretty much impossible > to purchase unless you buy in quantity, so my kit plans are on hold until > availability is better. If anyone knows where I could buy them without > forking out almost $1,000 I'm all ears! :-) What kind of quantity and cost are we talking about? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100710/bedba8a1/attachment.html From craig at chattertonclan.com Sat Jul 10 14:51:26 2010 From: craig at chattertonclan.com (Craig Chatterton) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:51:26 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV awareness day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for putting on the EV awareness day. I first heard about it last year; this was the first year I planned early enough to attend it. It was really great seeing all the different EV vehicles. Unfortunately I got there too late to see the Tesla or the Leaf (note to self: go earlier in the day next year!) It was difficult getting detailed info on most of the cars. I wish they all had those EVCar fact sheets on them. Most of the time I could find the owner and ask him though I'm looking forward to going next year, and someday demo my own EV! Thanks again for putting it on. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From rolson at gmail.com Sat Jul 10 16:22:27 2010 From: rolson at gmail.com (R Olson) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:22:27 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV awareness day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DC8212F-38BB-43F7-9DCD-20CB219066AF@gmail.com> Agreed! I haven't attended a meeting or an EVA Day in a couple of years and wow, I was blown away by the size of the event. Congratulations to everyone who put in the hard work of making it happen. Very impressive. ...Ross... -- -- I'm sorry if this e-mail is very short or seems terse. It is coming from my cell phone. On Jul 10, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Craig Chatterton wrote: > Thank you for putting on the EV awareness day. I first heard about it last year; this was the first year I planned early enough to attend it. It was really great seeing all the different EV vehicles. Unfortunately I got there too late to see the Tesla or the Leaf (note to self: go earlier in the day next year!) > > It was difficult getting detailed info on most of the cars. I wish they all had those EVCar fact sheets on them. Most of the time I could find the owner and ask him though > > I'm looking forward to going next year, and someday demo my own EV! Thanks again for putting it on. > > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From mdeleon231 at gmail.com Sat Jul 10 20:05:37 2010 From: mdeleon231 at gmail.com (Michael deLeon) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 20:05:37 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV awareness day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a recent subscriber to this list who is just starting my first EV conversion, I wanted to echo the thanks. Seeing so many vehicles side by side was a real treat, and I got some important questions answered talking to the owners. Thanks again to the folks who organized this event and put thier personal time to help spread the awareness. I talked to (I think) more than one person who was displaying a car for thei first time this Saturday, having been merely a spectator the year before. I hope to be able to contribute with a conversion of my own next year! Will also try to share some of my photos of the event, as soon as I have time to upload and sort though them ... Michael deLeon On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Craig Chatterton wrote: > Thank you for putting on the EV awareness day. ?I first heard about it last year; this was the first year I planned early enough to attend it. ?It was really great seeing all the different EV vehicles. ?Unfortunately I got there too late to see the Tesla or the Leaf (note to self: go earlier in the day next year!) > > It was difficult getting detailed info on most of the cars. ?I wish they all had those EVCar fact sheets on them. ?Most of the time I could find the owner and ask him though > > I'm looking forward to going next year, and someday demo my own EV! ?Thanks again for putting it on. > > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From patrick0101 at gmail.com Sat Jul 10 22:21:22 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:21:22 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV awareness day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd like to thank everyone that was there today, EV drivers, speakers, & sponsors. You all made this a great day. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Michael deLeon wrote: > As a recent subscriber to this list who is just starting my first EV > conversion, I wanted to echo the thanks. Seeing so many vehicles side > by side was a real treat, and I got some important questions answered > talking to the owners. > > Thanks again to the folks who organized this event and put thier > personal time to help spread the awareness. I talked to (I think) > more than one person who was displaying a car for thei first time this > Saturday, having been merely a spectator the year before. I hope to > be able to contribute with a conversion of my own next year! > > Will also try to share some of my photos of the event, as soon as I > have time to upload and sort though them ... > > Michael deLeon > > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Craig Chatterton > wrote: > > Thank you for putting on the EV awareness day. I first heard about it > last year; this was the first year I planned early enough to attend it. It > was really great seeing all the different EV vehicles. Unfortunately I got > there too late to see the Tesla or the Leaf (note to self: go earlier in the > day next year!) > > > > It was difficult getting detailed info on most of the cars. I wish they > all had those EVCar fact sheets on them. Most of the time I could find the > owner and ask him though > > > > I'm looking forward to going next year, and someday demo my own EV! > Thanks again for putting it on. > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100710/c2f39193/attachment.html From chris at darkstarpro.com Sat Jul 10 23:22:32 2010 From: chris at darkstarpro.com (Chris Arnesen) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:22:32 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Civic Center EV Charging Station In-Reply-To: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729A53BC4D7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E9729A53BC4D7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: <4C396328.9030202@darkstarpro.com> Got a picture of the new charging station and posted it on my flickr account. You don't need to use your card to authorize and remove the J1772 connector, so hopefully there isn't too much vandalism. I also posted pictures of the parking signs nearby... http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkstarpdx/sets/72157624468027738/ Sincerely, Chris Arnesen On 7/9/2010 9:29 AM, Graunke, Gary wrote: > > Time to get those J1772 kits on our cars.... > > The Coulomb charging station at Hillsboro Civic Center (180 NE Main > St) is now J1772. > > Gary > > *From:* Peter Brandom [mailto:peterb at ci.hillsboro.or.us] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:30 PM > *To:* Graunke, Gary; paburkey > *Cc:* Bob Reitmajer; Karl Dinger; Toni Plunkett > *Subject:* Civic Center EV Charging Station > > Gary/Paul, > > You may have already noticed, but I wanted to alert you that we have > upgraded the charging station on Main St to L2 with J1772 plug. > Please pass along to your OEVA colleagues and let me know if you have > any questions. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > *Peter C. Brandom* > > Project Manager II - Sustainability > > City of Hillsboro > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100710/11ff1d56/attachment.html From chris at darkstarpro.com Sat Jul 10 23:20:10 2010 From: chris at darkstarpro.com (Chris Arnesen) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:20:10 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV awareness day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C39629A.8090408@darkstarpro.com> Hey Everyone, I've uploaded all the photos I took at the EV Awareness Day and posted them to my flickr account. Please feel free to enjoy them and save them for your personal use. If you're interested in using my images in any public capacity, please send me an email requesting permission along with a short description of the project it will be used for. Thanks! http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkstarpdx/sets/72157624467961958/ Sincerely, Chris Arnesen On 7/10/2010 10:21 PM, patrick0101 at gmail.com wrote: > I'd like to thank everyone that was there today, EV drivers, speakers, > & sponsors. You all made this a great day. > > Regards, > Pat > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice > > > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Michael deLeon > wrote: > > As a recent subscriber to this list who is just starting my first EV > conversion, I wanted to echo the thanks. Seeing so many vehicles side > by side was a real treat, and I got some important questions answered > talking to the owners. > > Thanks again to the folks who organized this event and put thier > personal time to help spread the awareness. I talked to (I think) > more than one person who was displaying a car for thei first time this > Saturday, having been merely a spectator the year before. I hope to > be able to contribute with a conversion of my own next year! > > Will also try to share some of my photos of the event, as soon as I > have time to upload and sort though them ... > > Michael deLeon > > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Craig Chatterton > > wrote: > > Thank you for putting on the EV awareness day. I first heard > about it last year; this was the first year I planned early enough > to attend it. It was really great seeing all the different EV > vehicles. Unfortunately I got there too late to see the Tesla or > the Leaf (note to self: go earlier in the day next year!) > > > > It was difficult getting detailed info on most of the cars. I > wish they all had those EVCar fact sheets on them. Most of the > time I could find the owner and ask him though > > > > I'm looking forward to going next year, and someday demo my own > EV! Thanks again for putting it on. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100710/99fdfaec/attachment-0001.html From dimakukushkin at gmail.com Mon Jul 12 08:02:13 2010 From: dimakukushkin at gmail.com (D K) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:02:13 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV awareness day In-Reply-To: <4C39629A.8090408@darkstarpro.com> References: <4C39629A.8090408@darkstarpro.com> Message-ID: Hi all! Thank you for all activists who put this event together, was happy to participate. I have shot a small video for youtube, starting with myself getting to event. There are some comments in russian, but you won't loose much without it. *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w6-jtC3d5Q* ** Dmitry On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Chris Arnesen wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > I've uploaded all the photos I took at the EV Awareness Day and posted them > to my flickr account. Please feel free to enjoy them and save them for your > personal use. If you're interested in using my images in any public > capacity, please send me an email requesting permission along with a short > description of the project it will be used for. Thanks! > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkstarpdx/sets/72157624467961958/ > > Sincerely, > Chris Arnesen > > > On 7/10/2010 10:21 PM, patrick0101 at gmail.com wrote: > > I'd like to thank everyone that was there today, EV drivers, speakers, & > sponsors. You all made this a great day. > > Regards, > Pat > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice > > > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Michael deLeon wrote: > >> As a recent subscriber to this list who is just starting my first EV >> conversion, I wanted to echo the thanks. Seeing so many vehicles side >> by side was a real treat, and I got some important questions answered >> talking to the owners. >> >> Thanks again to the folks who organized this event and put thier >> personal time to help spread the awareness. I talked to (I think) >> more than one person who was displaying a car for thei first time this >> Saturday, having been merely a spectator the year before. I hope to >> be able to contribute with a conversion of my own next year! >> >> Will also try to share some of my photos of the event, as soon as I >> have time to upload and sort though them ... >> >> Michael deLeon >> >> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Craig Chatterton >> wrote: >> > Thank you for putting on the EV awareness day. I first heard about it >> last year; this was the first year I planned early enough to attend it. It >> was really great seeing all the different EV vehicles. Unfortunately I got >> there too late to see the Tesla or the Leaf (note to self: go earlier in the >> day next year!) >> > >> > It was difficult getting detailed info on most of the cars. I wish they >> all had those EVCar fact sheets on them. Most of the time I could find the >> owner and ask him though >> > >> > I'm looking forward to going next year, and someday demo my own EV! >> Thanks again for putting it on. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100713/07eaad1a/attachment.html From stefanieknowlton at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 09:39:50 2010 From: stefanieknowlton at gmail.com (Stefanie Knowlton) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:39:50 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] seeking ev drivers in Salem area for story Message-ID: I'm working on a story for the Statesman Journal about the electric car-charging stations going in along I-5, including Salem. Do you live in the Salem area or drive through that area on your way to Eugene or Portland? I wanted to talk to folks who would use these stations most often. Thank you for your help. Thank you, Stefanie Knowlton Statesman Journal From alan at batie.org Tue Jul 13 23:00:14 2010 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:00:14 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: [seva] Wayland Invitational Message-ID: <4C3D526E.1010406@batie.org> Odd that this is coming to us via Seattle, but... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fw: [seva] Wayland Invitational Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:56:18 -0700 From: Donald Meyer To: CC: Laura & Don Meyer I don't know how to send this out. Could it be posted for the OEVA mailing list? Don Meyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Saxton" To: "SEVA" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:49 PM Subject: [seva] Wayland Invitational > Here's the press release for the Wayland Invitational... > > http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/events.php > > The full text is quoted below. > > Tom > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Hot Rod Electric Cars Return to Portland International Raceway > > PORTLAND, OR (JULY 11, 2010) John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland, of Plasma Boy > Racing, Inc., and NEDRA (National Electric Drag Racing Association), are > pleased to announce the Wayland Invitational V at Portland International > Raceway (PIR), July 23rd and 24th, 2010 starting at 6:00 pm. > > Come witness the groundbreaking technology of the electric car revolution > at > the Wayland Invitational V. High performance electric vehicles (EVs), > including a group of Tesla Roadsters and street legal electric conversions > will be setting new EV performance benchmarks in the 1/4 mile drag. > > Wayland and his electric drag car 'White Zombie' are celebrated for > breaking > through barriers in the electric car world. This year, the Zombie comes > back > to the track more potent than ever, powered by its new Dow/Kokam lithium > battery pack. The pumped-up Zombie should leave the 11's far behind, > blasting down the track to be the first street legal electric car to run a > 10 second 1/4 mile! > > Our mission at Plasma Boy Racing, Inc., is to educate, inform, and > demonstrate to the public that electric cars can be exhilarating as well > as > environmentally responsible. Going green doesn't mean slow, dull, and > boring! Join us in the excitement of watching the world's quickest and > most > powerful, tire smoking, all battery powered cars as they go head to head > with conventional gasoline and diesel vehicles in two nights of drag > racing > entertainment! > > The event will take place on July 23rd and 24th, 2010. PIR's gates open at > 6:00 pm, both Friday and Saturday. Admission is $8.00 for adults, $5.00 > for > children ages 6 to 12, and for children 5 and under the event is free. All > racers will pay a $25.00 entrance fee. If you have not raced at PIR > before, > the track charges a $20.00 racer registration fee which is good for two > years. > > Portland International Raceway is located at West Delta Park - 1940 N. > Victory Boulevard, Portland, Oregon 97217. For more information on the > raceway, go to PIR's website at www.portlandraceway.com. > > The traditional Electric Breakfast & EV Show & Shine will be held on > Saturday morning the 24 of July at the Village Inn restaurant located at > 10301 S.E. Stark Street, on the corner of S.E. Stark and S.E. 103rd Drive > in > East Portland. People start to arrive around 8:00 am, and the show > continues > until noon. All EVs are more than welcome to join the display at our > Electric Breakfast & EV Show & Shine. > > For more information on John Wayland and Plasma Boy Racing, Inc., please > visit www.plasmaboyracing.com and for more information on NEDRA, please > visit www.nedra.com. > > CONTACT: Marissa Wayland Event/PR Coordinator rissa at plasmaboyracing.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Visit the SEVA website at http://www.seattleeva.org > Our New Forums are at http://www.seattleeva.org/smf > If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to > list2008 at seattleeva.org with a subject of: unsubscribe seva > This message was built for dhmeng=att.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2992 - Release Date: 07/09/10 18:36:00 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5249 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100713/b9d40701/attachment.bin From climer97007 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 00:01:16 2010 From: climer97007 at yahoo.com (Gene Climer) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational In-Reply-To: <4C3D526E.1010406@batie.org> References: <4C3D526E.1010406@batie.org> Message-ID: <414645.78223.qm@web32204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Somebody needs to?make sure Marissa Wayland is a member of the OEVA. I would assume that she is??? And make sure she is on?our mailing list??? And that we are on her mailing list??? BTW, did John bring his Datsun to the really big shoe we just had? And an idea for next year, maybe we could get a portable Dyno? With the right Dyno, you can run a 1/4 mile simulated run. It would be very cool to run EV Dyno runs. Especially with someone like John there to draw in the crowd. My brainstorms for the day... Gene Climer PS: Just got hired at Cascade Microtech! ________________________________ From: Alan Batie To: OEVA Cc: dhmeng at att.net Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 11:00:14 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: [seva] Wayland Invitational Odd that this is coming to us via Seattle, but... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fw: [seva] Wayland Invitational Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:56:18 -0700 From: Donald Meyer To: CC: Laura & Don Meyer I don't know how to send this out.? Could it be posted for the OEVA mailing list? Don Meyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Saxton" To: "SEVA" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:49 PM Subject: [seva] Wayland Invitational > Here's the press release for the Wayland Invitational... > >? http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/events.php > > The full text is quoted below. > >? ? Tom > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Hot Rod Electric Cars Return to Portland International Raceway > > PORTLAND, OR (JULY 11, 2010)? John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland, of Plasma Boy > Racing, Inc., and NEDRA (National Electric Drag Racing Association), are > pleased to announce the Wayland Invitational V at Portland International > Raceway (PIR), July 23rd and 24th, 2010 starting at 6:00 pm. > > Come witness the groundbreaking technology of the electric car revolution > at > the Wayland Invitational V. High performance electric vehicles (EVs), > including a group of Tesla Roadsters and street legal electric conversions > will be setting new EV performance benchmarks in the 1/4 mile drag. > > Wayland and his electric drag car 'White Zombie' are celebrated for > breaking > through barriers in the electric car world. This year, the Zombie comes > back > to the track more potent than ever, powered by its new Dow/Kokam lithium > battery pack. The pumped-up Zombie should leave the 11's far behind, > blasting down the track to be the first street legal electric car to run a > 10 second 1/4 mile! > > Our mission at Plasma Boy Racing, Inc., is to educate, inform, and > demonstrate to the public that electric cars can be exhilarating as well > as > environmentally responsible. Going green doesn't mean slow, dull, and > boring! Join us in the excitement of watching the world's quickest and > most > powerful, tire smoking, all battery powered cars as they go head to head > with conventional gasoline and diesel vehicles in two nights of drag > racing > entertainment! > > The event will take place on July 23rd and 24th, 2010. PIR's gates open at > 6:00 pm, both Friday and Saturday. Admission is $8.00 for adults, $5.00 > for > children ages 6 to 12, and for children 5 and under the event is free. All > racers will pay a $25.00 entrance fee. If you have not raced at PIR > before, > the track charges a $20.00 racer registration fee which is good for two > years. > > Portland International Raceway is located at West Delta Park - 1940 N. > Victory Boulevard, Portland, Oregon 97217. For more information on the > raceway, go to PIR's website at www.portlandraceway.com. > > The traditional Electric Breakfast & EV Show & Shine will be held on > Saturday morning the 24 of July at the Village Inn restaurant located at > 10301 S.E. Stark Street, on the corner of S.E. Stark and S.E. 103rd Drive > in > East Portland. People start to arrive around 8:00 am, and the show > continues > until noon. All EVs are more than welcome to join the display at our > Electric Breakfast & EV Show & Shine. > > For more information on John Wayland and Plasma Boy Racing, Inc., please > visit www.plasmaboyracing.com and for more information on NEDRA, please > visit www.nedra.com. > > CONTACT:? Marissa Wayland Event/PR Coordinator rissa at plasmaboyracing.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Visit the SEVA website at http://www.seattleeva.org > Our New Forums are at http://www.seattleeva.org/smf > If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to > list2008 at seattleeva.org with a subject of: unsubscribe seva > This message was built for dhmeng=att.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2992 - Release Date: 07/09/10 18:36:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100714/615bc2cb/attachment.html From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com Wed Jul 14 11:15:11 2010 From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla testing a prototype for Toyota Message-ID: <467590.57636.qm@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I don't know if this is old news, but it looks like Tesla is developing a prototype for Toyota: http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/tesla-says-it-is-testing-an-electric-car-prototype-for-toyota/?nl=automobiles&emc=wheelsema1 Cheers, Tim From nickgaladay at msn.com Wed Jul 14 11:48:26 2010 From: nickgaladay at msn.com (Nick) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:48:26 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Looking for a good NEV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm looking for an NEV to cruise between the three hardware stores in town.... Can anyone suggest a good local source or perhaps offer up one of their own? Please contact me directly if you can help. Nick Galaday Vernonia, OR Energy conservation-- ???? saves more than energy! From garry at europa.com Wed Jul 14 15:46:25 2010 From: garry at europa.com (garry painter) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:46:25 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla testing a prototype for Toyota In-Reply-To: <467590.57636.qm@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <467590.57636.qm@web110501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <278D9A3B-097E-48AE-B31D-58D4156D4FC0@europa.com> Shhhhh!!!!!!! "On Monday, Bloomberg Businessweek reported that the next steps ? to build Toyota electric vehicle prototypes with Tesla power trains ? are being undertaken very quickly and quietly." You shouldn't be spreading such information around too much. At least, not before I put in the order in the morning with my stock broker. =8) ps. just kidding. I don't have a stock broker. On Jul 14, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Tim Kutscha wrote: > I don't know if this is old news, but it looks like Tesla is > developing a > prototype for Toyota: > > http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/tesla-says-it-is-testing- > an-electric-car-prototype-for-toyota/?nl=automobiles&emc=wheelsema1 > > > Cheers, > Tim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100714/434283bf/attachment.html From blaze at chargenw.com Thu Jul 15 12:20:32 2010 From: blaze at chargenw.com (Jim Blaisdell) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:20:32 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] HILLSBORO LEVEL 2 STATION Message-ID: The Level 2 Coulomb ChargePoint Station at the Hillsboro Civic Center is now provisioned on the ChargePoint network and fully functional. I believe this is the first commercially deployed J1772 in the state. The station supports both levels 1 & 2. Currently the station is free of charge, courtesy of the City of Hillsboro. Hillsboro will be installing an additional 15 stations within the next couple of months. Jim Blaisdell Charge Northwest Coulomb, Chargepoint Distributors 22322 NE 157th St Woodinville, WA 98077 253-304-5625 cell 253-265-0919 office http://www.chargenw.com/ > P Please consider the environment before printing this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jason Weitz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100716/95f99917/attachment.html From cje at hevanet.com Fri Jul 16 18:42:29 2010 From: cje at hevanet.com (cje at hevanet.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:42:29 GMT Subject: [Oeva-list] Looking for a good NEV Message-ID: <201007170142.o6H1gTRC043626@broadway.hevanet.com> If it was me I'd look for a ZAP truck. more utility than a NEV. I got one a year and a half ago and I'm happy with it, for what it is anyway - - slow and bouncy. But cool nonetheless. My .02. If you want, you're welcome to come look at mine, I've thought about selling it in the past (but not very hard). So this is, like, no pressure or anything, but feel free to contact me if you'd like. (And even if you're not into ZAPs I'm always happy to show it off.) I check my other email more often --- erickson.curt at gmail.com and I live on the east side. Yours Curt Erickson > I'm looking for an NEV to cruise between the three hardware stores in > town.... Can anyone suggest a good local source or perhaps offer up one of > their own? Please contact me directly if you can help. > > Nick Galaday > Vernonia, OR > > Energy conservation-- > ???? saves more than energy! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From jbillsnews at flickfx.com Fri Jul 16 19:29:13 2010 From: jbillsnews at flickfx.com (J Bills) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:29:13 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Looking for a good NEV In-Reply-To: <201007170142.o6H1gTRC043626@broadway.hevanet.com> References: <201007170142.o6H1gTRC043626@broadway.hevanet.com> Message-ID: there's that one that's been on craigslist for a bit: http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1843043411.html guess it all depends on your speed/range/price needs On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:42 PM, wrote: > If it was me I'd look for a ZAP truck. more utility than a NEV. I got > one a year and a half ago and I'm happy with it, for what it is anyway - > - slow and bouncy. But cool nonetheless. > > My .02. > > If you want, you're welcome to come look at mine, I've thought about > selling it in the past (but not very hard). So this is, like, no > pressure or anything, but feel free to contact me if you'd like. (And > even if you're not into ZAPs I'm always happy to show it off.) I check > my other email more often --- erickson.curt at gmail.com and I live on the > east side. > > Yours > Curt Erickson > > > > > I'm looking for an NEV to cruise between the three hardware stores in > > town.... Can anyone suggest a good local source or perhaps offer up > one of > > their own? Please contact me directly if you can help. > > > > Nick Galaday > > Vernonia, OR > > > > Energy conservation-- > > saves more than energy! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oeva-list mailing list > > Oeva-list at oeva.org > > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100716/f506fca5/attachment.html From mhodgert at bethel.k12.or.us Sat Jul 17 02:46:39 2010 From: mhodgert at bethel.k12.or.us (Hodgert, Mike) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:46:39 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Da Vinci Days this weekend - Corvallis References: <4C40BB4A.9040405@batie.org> Message-ID: There are also TOTALLY ELECTRIC ONE PERSON VEHICLES THAT RACE. These are called Electrathon Vehicles. They use up to 72 pounds of non liquid (gel-glass-mat) lead/acid batteries and travel to see who can go the farthest in one hour. Today, Friday, we did a street race with several corners and a large hill over some very rough streets. Tomorrow, Saturday, we will be racing at Reser stadium parking lot. Cars will start to arrive about 8:30 with practice to follow around 10:00 and the race goes from 11:00 to noon. Hope to see many of you there. Mike Hodgert--Electrathon America president and teacher at Willamette High School in Eugene--home of the world's largest fleet of Electrathon vehicles. I am also making my own 48 volts 55 mph street legal vehicle. -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org on behalf of Alan Batie Sent: Fri 7/16/10 1:04 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Da Vinci Days this weekend - Corvallis On 7/16/10 11:47 AM, J Bills wrote: > This weekend in Corvallis is "Da Vinci Days" which, among other things, > features a parade with EVs: > > http://www.davincidays.org/races--revelry/graand-kinetic-challenge/leo%27s-kinetic-parade > > looks fun! Note that while the Kinetic Sculptures are human powered, there will be EVs in the parade, and the KS races are a *lot* of fun (particularly the mud bog Sunday morning)... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100717/738a1084/attachment.html From Theoldcars at aol.com Sat Jul 17 12:49:42 2010 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:49:42 EDT Subject: [Oeva-list] Looking for a good NEV Message-ID: <5cf19.4fa4f158.39736356@aol.com> Hello Nick Or anyone else who is interested in buying an EV. You might consider an OEM 1997 or 1998 S-10 EV. These are far superior to an NEV. Depending on your choice of battery and year I can put one together a 1997 for around 12,000 in lead or a 1998 NiMH for 16,000 to 19,000 range. Here are a few links for more information. _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S-10_EV_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S-10_EV) This is a great link to find out about the S-10 and any other full speed EV. _http://avt.inel.gov/fsev.shtml_ (http://avt.inel.gov/fsev.shtml) Don In a message dated 7/14/2010 12:05:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:48:26 -0700 From: "Nick" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Looking for a good NEV To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm looking for an NEV to cruise between the three hardware stores in town.... Can anyone suggest a good local source or perhaps offer up one of their own? Please contact me directly if you can help. Nick Galaday Vernonia, OR Energy conservation-- ???? saves more than energy! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100718/4190fc70/attachment.html From jrenoe at formancetech.com Sun Jul 18 00:22:37 2010 From: jrenoe at formancetech.com (Josh Renoe) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:22:37 -0400 Subject: [Oeva-list] adaptor plate? In-Reply-To: <782811.49474.qm@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <782811.49474.qm@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David Boyd... Synkromotive.com From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Reid Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:35 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] adaptor plate? Does anyone know a local person to build a transmission adaptor plate? Thanks, Bruce bruce_reid8 at yahoo.com 503-317-6176 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100718/be61e23e/attachment.html From climer97007 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 08:03:11 2010 From: climer97007 at yahoo.com (Gene Climer) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] adaptor plate? In-Reply-To: References: <782811.49474.qm@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <777042.51710.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This guy is in Clackamas and makes engine adapters for Samarai's. Maybe you can twist his arm? http://www.acmeadapters.com/ Gino ________________________________ From: Josh Renoe To: Bruce Reid ; "oeva-list at oeva.org" Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 12:22:37 AM Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] adaptor plate? David Boyd? Synkromotive.com ? From:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Reid Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:35 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] adaptor plate? ? Does anyone know a local person to build a transmission adaptor plate? Thanks, Bruce bruce_reid8 at yahoo.com 503-317-6176 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100718/cd895237/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 20:08:02 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:08:02 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Electrification Coalition Video Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__UO4S6TlmQ Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100718/69663c8a/attachment.html From bdcosbo at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 18:44:08 2010 From: bdcosbo at hotmail.com (Bill & Debi Osborn) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:44:08 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] adaptor plate Message-ID: You can have an adaptor plate and coupler made by Keith at Dutchman Motorsports. http://www.dutchmanaxles.com/ They also are local distributor of Netgain Motors. Located off 82nd near the Portland Airport. Bill Re: adaptor plate? by climer97007 Jul 18, 2010; 08:03am :: Rate this Message: (use ratings to moderate[?]) Reply (Restricted by the Administrator) | Show Only this Message Some parts of this message have been removed. Learn more about Nabble's security policy. This guy is in Clackamas and makes engine adapters for Samarai's. Maybe you can twist his arm? http://www.acmeadapters.com/ Gino From: Josh Renoe To: Bruce Reid ; "oeva-list at ..." Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 12:22:37 AM Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] adaptor plate? David Boyd? Synkromotive.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100719/9dfac977/attachment.html From davew at teleport.com Tue Jul 20 10:39:53 2010 From: davew at teleport.com (Dave Wert) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:39:53 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Observations: What will it be like to own an electric car in 2011? Message-ID: <6A8C2E1124714BCAB65AD9B4D43AEA31@MediaComputer> http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=what-will-it-be-like-to-o wn-an-elec-2010-07-12 From john.p.christian at gmail.com Tue Jul 20 15:49:09 2010 From: john.p.christian at gmail.com (John Christian) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:49:09 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great news - thnaks Naomi, John Christian OEVA Chair On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Naomi Serviss wrote: > Hi John, > Enzymepdx.com went live today and I wanted to let you know, since the OEVA > story has prominent play with some great pictures. I thought you'd like to > share it with your members. Hope you enjoy it and again, it was a pleasure > meeting you and your colleagues. > > I'm sending a direct link to the story, please check the site out and leave > comments (good ones, preferably!)..... > > http://www.enzymepdx.com/2010/electric-cars-in-portland/ > > > Be well. > > Best, > Naomi Serviss > > -- > Naomi Serviss > Staff Writer > Enzyme Media > enzyme-media.com > -- John P. Christian OEVA Chairman Please consider the environment before printing this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100720/9aabffe3/attachment.html From hhaynes at minetfiber.com Tue Jul 20 17:37:19 2010 From: hhaynes at minetfiber.com (Howard) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:37:19 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] salem article Message-ID: <00cf01cb286c$e0a0e190$a1e2a4b0$@com> http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20100720/GREEN/7200335/Couple-s-elec tric-truck-draws-questions-from-the-curious Front page artlcle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100720/1f51538a/attachment.html From mhodgert at bethel.k12.or.us Wed Jul 21 08:51:30 2010 From: mhodgert at bethel.k12.or.us (Hodgert, Mike) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:51:30 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] PART WANTED References: <4C39629A.8090408@darkstarpro.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I am making a 48 volt street legal and am in need of a part. My forward motor system is set up with a 'free wheel' system so the car can coast like a bike and hopefully travel farther per charge like most Electrathon Vehicles do. The challenge with this was designing a reverse system. My solution was to have a pivot with a small 12 volt starter motor that has a small rubber wheel that is pressed into the rear tire. The problem is the starter motor has too high of RPM and starts off at full speed. This does not allow the friction wheel to work well and slips until the rear wheel gets up to speed. Then the rear wheel moves too fast once it catches up to the friction wheel and I am going faster than I want to. What I am looking for is an old fashion speed controller for a golf cart. They used to come with a huge variable resistor block. As the resistance is reduced the motor speed increased. I know these are very inefficient and turn power into heat but since I will not use it much I think I can modify it easily it will work well for this set up. This is the easiest and cheapest method that I have been able to come up with to solve this problem. Over the years we have had a few of these old golf carts with these speed controllers donated but I have recycled all of them. If anyone has an old speed controller they would be willing to sell, or has any ideas where to get one, please let me know as soon as possible. 'mhodgert at bethel.k12.or.us' Thank you, Mike Hodgert Teacher at Willamette High School-Eugene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100721/7234cf24/attachment.html From nickgaladay at msn.com Wed Jul 21 17:29:26 2010 From: nickgaladay at msn.com (Nick) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:29:26 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Latest Leaf debris Message-ID: I'm not in the group eligible for the free "charger" as underwritten by the DOE, for my new Leaf. I got an email inviting me to spend $100 to have someone come out and give me an estimate to provide and install the Nissan required "charger" (actually, it's little more than a UL 240 VAC 30 Amp switch with an SAE J-1772 cord - and maybe some over-current and GFCI protection, maybe. Both of the actual Level I & Level II chargers are onboard the Leaf. I haven't decided to go ahead and buy a Leaf yet and I'd be out a nonrefundable $100. So here's the skinny according to Royal Moore Nissan, the customer service folks at Nissan, and AeroVironment. According to the Nissan gal there is no option but to have AeroVironment install the "Home Docking Station" for an average installed price of $2,200. She then forwarded me to someone at AeroVironment who allowed as the device itself would run around $800 but they can't sell it that way. It has to be installed by them to meet the Nissan requirement. Apparently it requires a factory service tool to "program" it. The AV gal did allow as I'm not the only person trying to buy the docking station uninstalled and that perhaps more options may become available by the time I need to commit to placing my Leaf order. She did say there was no hurry; I didn't need to have the estimate done before I decide to order my Leaf. Nick & Beverly Galaday headshot2 1109 Roseview Hts. Ave. Vernonia, OR 97064 Home: (503) 429-8910 Cell: (503) 886-9086 Energy conservation-- saves more than energy! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100721/753aa0dd/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 37141 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100721/753aa0dd/attachment-0003.jpe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This causes the rear wheel to lock up.? The controller is programmable.? I just need to find someone who has the connectors and computer software.? If you know of anyone or can point me in the right direction, I would really appreciate the help. Thanks in advance Phil Baus Vancouver, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100722/6d1c56f0/attachment.html From matwete at comcast.net Thu Jul 22 08:54:21 2010 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:54:21 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Sevcon Controller In-Reply-To: <1551195766.249314.1279811610420.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <490379969.249206.1279811483451.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1551195766.249314.1279811610420.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <003301cb29b6$27325db0$75971910$@net> You might want to also make sure you used a large enough wire gauge between your controller and the battery to ensure minimal drop in the cables. From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of philnlynn at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:14 AM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] Sevcon Controller Last year I converted a Honda CX 500 to an electric motorcycle. There is a continuing problem with the Sevcon Multipak 4Q controller. If I decelerate too quickly, the regeneration will cause the controller to shut down due to over-voltage. This causes the rear wheel to lock up. The controller is programmable. I just need to find someone who has the connectors and computer software. If you know of anyone or can point me in the right direction, I would really appreciate the help. Thanks in advance Phil Baus Vancouver, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100722/cb0147c1/attachment.html From schristie at mind.net Thu Jul 22 13:41:59 2010 From: schristie at mind.net (schristie at mind.net) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:41:59 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf deployment... Message-ID: <54794.1279831319@mind.net> OEVA Members... A curious notion struck me today after I received my notification that I would be receiving an in-home charging station at no-cost. This is an amazing development in a relatively short period of time. Did any of us think we'd be here five years ago? I didn't... I have been on the OEVA list for two to three years, initially going so far as to buying a vehicle for conversion and subsequently selling it after realizing that I didn't really have the time to spend on both the learning and tooling (I read enough stories of others who caught the bug). So to my surprise, there actually will be hundreds of these commercially produced EVs on the road and we will thankfully make gasoline usage seem utterly arcane (and I do think my propane powered line trimmer contributes to this cause). There will come a day when hundreds of community members who have never heard of OEVA are driving around without any regard for the foundation that OEVA has laid for this cause! The nerve... What will OEVA members do when dreams are finally realized and electric vehicles roam the land? What will this highly focused group of people do when we are paying of highway taxes by GPS reporting systems, paying excise fees to 'fill our battery packs', and converting an ICE to electric will be more of a hobby than a social commentary? There will soon come a day when the market is filled with Volts, Leafs, Teslas, Focus', etc... I would hope we find something meaningful to talk about (not that talking about 1772 cord ends aren't interesting). I have enjoyed the social advocacy that all this has implied! So, as everyone else finally gets a clue, maybe we can shift to an alternative social cause. My vote is for Solar Powered vehicles (AKA OSPA). It that doesn't fit I would also propose PPTO (Propane Powered Trimmers of Oregon). Scott From patrick0101 at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 13:59:01 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:59:01 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf Message-ID: Those Reservationists who were eligible to fill out a survey for a free charger during the Nissan LEAF sign up process as part of the US Government sponsored "EV Project" should be receiving a message today from their partner, ECOtality, via a Nissan email. This communication will detail the results of their evaluation of your eligibility for the unit. If you were offered and have taken the survey, but have not received this email by tomorrow, please call 1-866 NO GAS EV (664-2738) or chat online on the LEAF website. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100722/24bd8a92/attachment.html From ether_scape at yahoo.com Thu Jul 22 14:01:22 2010 From: ether_scape at yahoo.com (S. Jain) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <623240.52051.qm@web43140.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I received an email stating they need to ask me some more questions. Any hints as to what they'd like to hear to guarantee a free charger? :) ________________________________ From: "patrick0101 at gmail.com" To: OEVA Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 1:59:01 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf Those Reservationists who were eligible to fill out a survey for a free charger during the Nissan LEAF sign up process as part of the US Government sponsored "EV Project" should be receiving a message today from their partner, ECOtality, via a Nissan email. This communication will detail the results of their evaluation of your eligibility for the unit. If you were offered and have taken the survey, but have not received this email by tomorrow, please call 1-866 NO GAS EV (664-2738) or chat online on the LEAF website. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100722/e101f82a/attachment.html From chris at darkstarpro.com Thu Jul 22 16:07:22 2010 From: chris at darkstarpro.com (chris at darkstarpro.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:07:22 -0400 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf Message-ID: <380-22010742223722883@M2W124.mail2web.com> Yep, I received the same email. My guess was that it was because I want to have it installed outdoors in my carport. We'll see! Sincerely, Chris Arnesen Original Message: ----------------- From: S. Jain ether_scape at yahoo.com Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:01:22 -0700 (PDT) To: patrick0101 at gmail.com, oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf I received an email stating they need to ask me some more questions. Any hints as to what they'd like to hear to guarantee a free charger? :) ________________________________ From: "patrick0101 at gmail.com" To: OEVA Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 1:59:01 PM Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf Those Reservationists who were eligible to fill out a survey for a free charger during the Nissan LEAF sign up process as part of the US Government sponsored "EV Project" should be receiving a message today from their partner, ECOtality, via a Nissan email. This communication will detail the results of their evaluation of your eligibility for the unit. If you were offered and have taken the survey, but have not received this email by tomorrow, please call 1-866 NO GAS EV (664-2738) or chat online on the LEAF website. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From matwete at comcast.net Thu Jul 22 18:32:16 2010 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:32:16 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf deployment... In-Reply-To: <54794.1279831319@mind.net> References: <54794.1279831319@mind.net> Message-ID: <007e01cb2a06$e2ab7950$a8026bf0$@net> Interesting times these... As I've been a member and involved in the OEVA since 1993, I recall thinking back in those days that we were within 2-5 years of being irrelevant. It has amazed me that 17 years later we are not yet irrelevant. Though it does feel somewhat more likely that we will be within the next 5 year window, I have to laugh. You speak of "hundreds of these commercial produced EV's" as if that alone will cause EV's to stick. I have news: There were many thousands of commercial EV's on the streets---not last decade or the one before---but in the 2 decade timeframe from 1900-1920. It happened---and chargers were delivered with cars (1917-1923 Milburn Light Electrics) before. Also there were networks of charging stations. It didn't help. The electric car died---though commercial electrics lived on longer. The big difference between then and now: Increased speed and performance with modern electrics; The economics of electrics generally; the environmentalism of going electric and a perception of broader level of commitments to it. Range was about the same with electrics back then vs most of today's electrics: Most electric car makes back then got 60-100 mile range on PbA or NiFe battery packs---albeit at 20-30mph. Anyway, keep hope alive and keep working it. Maybe we will still succeed in becoming irrelevant as an organization, unlike our Portland EV forefathers (NELA EV branch chapter) in 1915 who worked to popularize EV's, held an EV parade in December of 1915 and lost the battle to gas cars not long after. Of course, the trolleys also lost later only to have a new age in the 21st century. -Myles Twete 1920 Milburn Light Electric: www.evalbum.com/348 1911 Hupp-Yeats Electric: www.evalbum.com/1018 P.S. - Don't forget the EV drag races tomorrow night and Saturday night at PIR. -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of schristie at mind.net Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:42 PM To: OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf deployment... OEVA Members... A curious notion struck me today after I received my notification that I would be receiving an in-home charging station at no-cost. This is an amazing development in a relatively short period of time. Did any of us think we'd be here five years ago? I didn't... I have been on the OEVA list for two to three years, initially going so far as to buying a vehicle for conversion and subsequently selling it after realizing that I didn't really have the time to spend on both the learning and tooling (I read enough stories of others who caught the bug). So to my surprise, there actually will be hundreds of these commercially produced EVs on the road and we will thankfully make gasoline usage seem utterly arcane (and I do think my propane powered line trimmer contributes to this cause). There will come a day when hundreds of community members who have never heard of OEVA are driving around without any regard for the foundation that OEVA has laid for this cause! The nerve... What will OEVA members do when dreams are finally realized and electric vehicles roam the land? What will this highly focused group of people do when we are paying of highway taxes by GPS reporting systems, paying excise fees to 'fill our battery packs', and converting an ICE to electric will be more of a hobby than a social commentary? There will soon come a day when the market is filled with Volts, Leafs, Teslas, Focus', etc... I would hope we find something meaningful to talk about (not that talking about 1772 cord ends aren't interesting). I have enjoyed the social advocacy that all this has implied! So, as everyone else finally gets a clue, maybe we can shift to an alternative social cause. My vote is for Solar Powered vehicles (AKA OSPA). It that doesn't fit I would also propose PPTO (Propane Powered Trimmers of Oregon). Scott _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From alan at batie.org Thu Jul 22 19:17:09 2010 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:17:09 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C48FBA5.7000104@batie.org> On 7/22/10 1:59 PM, patrick0101 at gmail.com wrote: > Those Reservationists who were eligible to fill out a survey for a free > charger during the Nissan LEAF sign up process as part of the US > Government sponsored "EV Project" should be receiving a message today > from their partner, ECOtality, via a Nissan email. Indeed, I got my acceptance today. I'm looking forward to finding out what make an 220V outlet worth $2k, though I'm guessing it's the fact that it's a low volume device with the fancy monitoring system. I have to admit, that is a nice feature, though I'd rather have the monitoring in the car and logging to my server at home so it captures data from when I'm *not* charging at home as well. I'm curious what it would cost to have a basic 1772 plug ala the L6-20 plug I have now for comparison... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5249 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100722/b5f99342/attachment-0001.bin From gfifield at onlinenw.com Thu Jul 22 20:28:31 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf In-Reply-To: <380-22010742223722883@M2W124.mail2web.com> References: <380-22010742223722883@M2W124.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Hi I got the teaser that I may still qualify. " additional information is still needed to see if you meet the criteria for your home charging unit and installation as part of the U.S. government's EV Project. ECOtality will contact you in the next few weeks to review your survey responses and schedule an in-home assessment, as needed, to complete the review process. thank you for deciding to be part of the gasoline-free future." Gene Fifield > Yep, I received the same email. My guess was that it was because I want to > have it installed outdoors in my carport. We'll see! > > Sincerely, > Chris Arnesen > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: S. Jain ether_scape at yahoo.com > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:01:22 -0700 (PDT) > To: patrick0101 at gmail.com, oeva-list at oeva.org > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf > > > I received an email stating they need to ask me some more questions. Any > hints > as to what they'd like to hear to guarantee a free charger? :) > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "patrick0101 at gmail.com" > To: OEVA > Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 1:59:01 PM > Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf > > Those Reservationists who were eligible to fill out a survey for a free > charger > during the Nissan LEAF sign up process as part of the US Government > sponsored > "EV Project" should be receiving a message today from their partner, > ECOtality, > via a Nissan email. This communication will detail the results of their > evaluation of your eligibility for the unit. If you were offered and have > taken > the survey, but have not received this email by tomorrow, please call > 1-866 > NO > GAS EV (664-2738) or chat online on the LEAF website. > > Regards, > Pat > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From carey at evergreenelectricvehicles.com Fri Jul 23 05:57:55 2010 From: carey at evergreenelectricvehicles.com (Carey Dahlen) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 05:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Sevcon Controller In-Reply-To: <1551195766.249314.1279811610420.JavaMail.root@sz0038a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <723522.78988.qm@web1208.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Phil, Modern racing motorcycles use a "slipper clutch" to avoid the rear wheel lock you are experiencing. They are adjustable. --- On Thu, 7/22/10, philnlynn at comcast.net wrote: From: philnlynn at comcast.net Subject: [Oeva-list] Sevcon Controller To: oeva-list at oeva.org Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 8:13 AM #yiv506232811 p {margin:0;} Last year?I converted a Honda CX 500 to an electric motorcycle.? There is a?continuing problem with the Sevcon Multipak 4Q controller.? If I decelerate too quickly, the regeneration will cause the controller to shut down due to over-voltage.? This causes the rear wheel to lock up.? The controller is programmable.? I just need to find someone who has the connectors and computer software.? If you know of anyone or can point me in the right direction, I would really appreciate the help. ? Thanks in advance ? Phil Baus Vancouver, WA -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100723/bddeab7c/attachment.html From gfifield at onlinenw.com Fri Jul 23 07:49:01 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf In-Reply-To: References: <380-22010742223722883@M2W124.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <0975a9247fcac70bb98601d9687b99e9.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> I asked for mine to be installed in my free-standing garage. I told them I had a sub-panel out there. I'm rural; outside the UGB; so that might have some influence. My commute answer was rather short at the time ~ 8 miles. My commute now is 22 miles. We shall see about the free charger; if it isn't free; that is a deal breaker. Gene Fifield > Hi I got the teaser that I may still qualify. > > " additional information is still needed to see if you meet the criteria > for your home charging unit and installation as part of the U.S. > government's EV Project. ECOtality will contact you in the next few weeks > to review your survey responses and schedule an in-home assessment, as > needed, to complete the review process. thank you for deciding to be part > of the gasoline-free future." > > Gene Fifield > >> Yep, I received the same email. My guess was that it was because I want >> to >> have it installed outdoors in my carport. We'll see! >> >> Sincerely, >> Chris Arnesen >> >> Original Message: >> ----------------- >> From: S. Jain ether_scape at yahoo.com >> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:01:22 -0700 (PDT) >> To: patrick0101 at gmail.com, oeva-list at oeva.org >> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf >> >> >> I received an email stating they need to ask me some more questions. Any >> hints >> as to what they'd like to hear to guarantee a free charger? :) >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "patrick0101 at gmail.com" >> To: OEVA >> Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 1:59:01 PM >> Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf >> >> Those Reservationists who were eligible to fill out a survey for a free >> charger >> during the Nissan LEAF sign up process as part of the US Government >> sponsored >> "EV Project" should be receiving a message today from their partner, >> ECOtality, >> via a Nissan email. This communication will detail the results of their >> evaluation of your eligibility for the unit. If you were offered and >> have >> taken >> the survey, but have not received this email by tomorrow, please call >> 1-866 >> NO >> GAS EV (664-2738) or chat online on the LEAF website. >> >> Regards, >> Pat >> Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - >> http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From patrick0101 at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 09:50:39 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:50:39 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf deployment... In-Reply-To: <54794.1279831319@mind.net> References: <54794.1279831319@mind.net> Message-ID: Scott, Converting vehicles still has a long future in the OEVA. I see the "store bought" EVs only adding to what the OEVA does and our members, not subtracting from it. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:41 PM, wrote: > > OEVA Members... > > A curious notion struck me today after I received my notification that I > would be receiving an in-home > charging station at no-cost. This is an amazing development in a > relatively short period of time. > Did any of us think we'd be here five years ago? I didn't... > > I have been on the OEVA list for two to three years, initially going so far > as to buying a vehicle for > conversion and subsequently selling it after realizing that I didn't really > have the time to spend on > both the learning and tooling (I read enough stories of others who caught > the bug). > > So to my surprise, there actually will be hundreds of these commercially > produced EVs on the road and > we will thankfully make gasoline usage seem utterly arcane (and I do think > my propane powered line > trimmer contributes to this cause). There will come a day when hundreds of > community members who have > never heard of OEVA are driving around without any regard for the > foundation that OEVA has laid for > this cause! The nerve... > > What will OEVA members do when dreams are finally realized and electric > vehicles roam the land? What > will this highly focused group of people do when we are paying of highway > taxes by GPS reporting > systems, paying excise fees to 'fill our battery packs', and converting an > ICE to electric will be > more of a hobby than a social commentary? There will soon come a day when > the market is filled with > Volts, Leafs, Teslas, Focus', etc... > > I would hope we find something meaningful to talk about (not that talking > about 1772 cord ends aren't > interesting). I have enjoyed the social advocacy that all this has > implied! So, as everyone else > finally gets a clue, maybe we can shift to an alternative social cause. > > My vote is for Solar Powered vehicles (AKA OSPA). It that doesn't fit I > would also propose PPTO > (Propane Powered Trimmers of Oregon). > > Scott > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100723/ac3cc433/attachment.html From alan at batie.org Fri Jul 23 11:37:41 2010 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:37:41 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf In-Reply-To: <0975a9247fcac70bb98601d9687b99e9.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> References: <380-22010742223722883@M2W124.mail2web.com> <0975a9247fcac70bb98601d9687b99e9.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> Message-ID: <4C49E175.8000608@batie.org> On 7/23/10 7:49 AM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: > We shall see about the free charger; if it isn't free; that is a deal > breaker. My understanding is that this expensive thing is so because it's got all the monitoring stuff in it for their study. The actual charger is in the car, and if you don't want to do the study or didn't qualify, then all you need is a J1772 plug. The question is, how much is such a basic setup? I'm guessing it's not as cheap and simple as just sticking another 220V outlet in my garage (which cost about $150 as I recall), but I don't know if J1772 is just a plug, or is there some sort of extra sensing. I'm guessing it has at least some sort of ground fault system, is there more? I'm thinking it would be wise to have something that plugs into standard (several of them ;-) ) 220V outlets; didn't someone post here a week or so ago that something like that was coming out for a few hundred? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The report also finds that because of higher-volume domestic manufacturing, the cost of advanced batteries could be cut in half by the end of 2013, dramatically driving down the cost of an electric vehicle and greatly expanding the domestic market. However, these advances could be jeopardized by the Senate's failure to enact strong clean energy and climate measures. Apollo Alliance Weekly Update [ media at apolloalliance.org ] Nick Galaday Vernonia, OR 97064 Energy conservation-- ???? saves more than energy! From gfifield at onlinenw.com Fri Jul 23 19:01:41 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf In-Reply-To: <4C49E175.8000608@batie.org> References: <380-22010742223722883@M2W124.mail2web.com> <0975a9247fcac70bb98601d9687b99e9.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> <4C49E175.8000608@batie.org> Message-ID: I believe that there is serial communications that must go on between the Nissan Leaf and the J1772 box. This includes some negotiations on powering the circuit and protocal for things like the plug is kicked out or there is a power failure, etc. Why this all has to cost so much is beyond me, but some software guy must get paid and all that SAE committe work and UL approval etc. Somehow I don't think they are going to let you buy a NISSAN Leaf without an approve charger sitting in your garage. Gene > On 7/23/10 7:49 AM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: > >> We shall see about the free charger; if it isn't free; that is a deal >> breaker. > > My understanding is that this expensive thing is so because it's got all > the monitoring stuff in it for their study. The actual charger is in > the car, and if you don't want to do the study or didn't qualify, then > all you need is a J1772 plug. The question is, how much is such a basic > setup? I'm guessing it's not as cheap and simple as just sticking > another 220V outlet in my garage (which cost about $150 as I recall), > but I don't know if J1772 is just a plug, or is there some sort of extra > sensing. I'm guessing it has at least some sort of ground fault system, > is there more? I'm thinking it would be wise to have something that > plugs into standard (several of them ;-) ) 220V outlets; didn't someone > post here a week or so ago that something like that was coming out for a > few hundred? > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From galaday at verizon.net Fri Jul 23 16:36:27 2010 From: galaday at verizon.net (Bev) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:36:27 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Leaf chargers Message-ID: <005501cb2abf$df657700$9e306500$@net> Here ya go. Punch into "Charging Dock" at this website. This is the charging station that AeroVironment will install for, on average, $2,200. I'm told the charger equipment only price would be only $800 if they sold them that way. The one provided under the DOE program, for those of you so privileged, is possibly the next model up, the "Smart Charging Dock". I just bristle at spending $1,400 to install what amounts to little more than a switch with a J1772 cord on it when I'm an electrician! This website lets you download data sheets that should explain a lot. http://evsolutions.avinc.com/products/at_home/ Nick Galaday Vernonia, OR 97064 Energy conservation-- saves more than energy! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100723/4e2f9c0c/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here ends your moment of historical grounding- -mt -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Alan Batie Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 7:31 PM To: OEVA Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf On 7/23/10 7:01 PM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: > Somehow I don't think they are going to let you buy a NISSAN Leaf > without an approve charger sitting in your garage. An EV without a home charger is pretty pointless (well, "a really big nuisance" at least), and since the Committee That Be decided that 1772 is the standard, it's what we're all going to want because that's what the public infrastructure will be in those cases where we need/want to use it. So I'll grouse about the cost and bend over, that battle was lost a few years ago... From gfifield at onlinenw.com Fri Jul 23 21:08:59 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Leaf chargers In-Reply-To: <005501cb2abf$df657700$9e306500$@net> References: <005501cb2abf$df657700$9e306500$@net> Message-ID: <360a2680c9c32fed79e0dc9b4fabe85a.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> Thanks Nick, I looked at the Smart Charging doc Specifications and here is what is says: "The Smart Charging Dock is designed to communicate with the grid and turn consumers? homes into grid-connected smart charging hubs ? charging when energy consumption is low, and delaying the charge when energy demand is high. The Smart Charging Dock is designed to charge automatically, or be pre-programmed by the utility or consumer for more optimal power draw. All Smart Charging Docks are installed by one of our independent certified licensed electricians who also secure permits, facilitate inspection, and perform on-site consumer orientation and training." On the positive side for me is the fact that both units only require 30 Amps, so I'm good to go on that point. Gene Fifield > > > > Here ya go. Punch into "Charging Dock" at this website. This is the > charging station that AeroVironment will install for, on average, $2,200. > I'm told the charger equipment only price would be only $800 if they sold > them that way. The one provided under the DOE program, for those of you > so > privileged, is possibly the next model up, the "Smart Charging Dock". I > just bristle at spending $1,400 to install what amounts to little more > than > a switch with a J1772 cord on it when I'm an electrician! This website > lets > you download data sheets that should explain a lot. > > http://evsolutions.avinc.com/products/at_home/ > > > > Nick Galaday > > Vernonia, OR 97064 > > Energy conservation-- > > saves more than energy! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From nscale7 at aol.com Fri Jul 23 23:26:24 2010 From: nscale7 at aol.com (nscale7 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 02:26:24 -0400 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf Message-ID: <8CCF91046509BEF-1388-A448@webmail-m078.sysops.aol.com> On 7/23/10 7:01 PM, gfifield at ... wrote: >Somehow I don't think they are going to let you buy a NISSAN Leaf without an approved charger sitting in your garage. ----------------------------- Why not? Under the federal EV Project that?s understandable, but eventually anyone will be able to walk into a dealership and buy a Leaf. Nissan?s objective is to make money; if you?ve got the cash but don?t want a home charger (or at least Nissan?s charger), why wouldn?t they still take your money for the car? If you buy a NGV, automakers don?t force you to have a home natural gas filling station, why would EVs be different? EVs and home chargers come as a package for convenience, but consumers should have the option to have the car and charger be from different vendors, or even to omit the home charger entirely if that is their choice. Nissan touts the ability for fast chargers to bring the battery to 80% in 28 minutes; combined with a 100 mile range and public chargers at workplaces and shopping centers, the home charger could almost be considered superfluous. Yes not having a home charger is not optimal, and yes the fast-charger will degrade the battery if overused, but if that is how the owner wants to use it, what right does Nissan have to refuse? They can say it would void the warranty, but they can?t prohibit you from doing it. Remember, these are lithium batteries; leaving them partially discharged overnight will not cause damage, unlike lead acid. GM has even said publicly that the Volt would never need to be plugged in if the user does not wish to, and that doing so will not impact the lifespan of the batteries. -Chase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100724/64062826/attachment.html From jrab at e-m-w.com Sat Jul 24 04:35:22 2010 From: jrab at e-m-w.com (John RA Benson) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:35:22 +0200 Subject: [Oeva-list] Leaf chargers In-Reply-To: <360a2680c9c32fed79e0dc9b4fabe85a.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> References: <005501cb2abf$df657700$9e306500$@net> <360a2680c9c32fed79e0dc9b4fabe85a.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> Message-ID: > charging when energy consumption is low, and delaying the charge when energy demand is > high. "Smart"? The utility's energy demand or personal? I guess this means you'll have to walk to work in hot weather when everyone has the ac on? New Yorkers wouldn't have been able to charge adequately for the past month? Neat way to satisfy the "ev's will use up all our electricity and overload the grid!" whiners. Now let's add those smart monitors to computer's and TV's lousy power factor power supplies, refrigerators and all AC units. If it's a good idea for the "driving appliance", it should be good for everything else too. Hard to win - now when the cars aren't charged up completely, the naysayers will say 'told you so, takes too long to charge, bla bla bla.". jrab On Jul 24, 2010, at 6:08 AM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: > Thanks Nick, > > I looked at the Smart Charging doc Specifications and here is what is says: > "The Smart Charging Dock is designed to communicate with the grid and turn > consumers? homes into grid-connected smart charging hubs ? charging when > energy consumption is low, and delaying the charge when energy demand is > high. The Smart Charging Dock is designed to charge automatically, or be > pre-programmed by the utility or consumer for more optimal power draw. All > Smart Charging Docks are installed by one of our independent certified > licensed electricians who also secure permits, facilitate inspection, and > perform on-site consumer orientation and training." > > On the positive side for me is the fact that both units only require 30 > Amps, so I'm good to go on that point. > > Gene Fifield > >> >> >> >> Here ya go. Punch into "Charging Dock" at this website. This is the >> charging station that AeroVironment will install for, on average, $2,200. >> I'm told the charger equipment only price would be only $800 if they sold >> them that way. The one provided under the DOE program, for those of you >> so >> privileged, is possibly the next model up, the "Smart Charging Dock". I >> just bristle at spending $1,400 to install what amounts to little more >> than >> a switch with a J1772 cord on it when I'm an electrician! This website >> lets >> you download data sheets that should explain a lot. >> >> http://evsolutions.avinc.com/products/at_home/ >> >> >> >> Nick Galaday >> >> Vernonia, OR 97064 >> >> Energy conservation-- >> >> saves more than energy! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Sat Jul 24 09:27:51 2010 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:27:51 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf Message-ID: According to Nissan, you can opt out of buying a charger, but not for the EV Project. Rick Durst, Program Manager Portland General Electric Energy Information Services and Electric Vehicles 503-464-7631 phone 503-464-2284 fax ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org To: Oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Fri Jul 23 23:26:24 2010 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf On 7/23/10 7:01 PM, gfifield at ... wrote: >Somehow I don't think they are going to let you buy a NISSAN Leaf without an approved charger sitting in your garage. ----------------------------- Why not? Under the federal EV Project that?s understandable, but eventually anyone will be able to walk into a dealership and buy a Leaf. Nissan?s objective is to make money; if you?ve got the cash but don?t want a home charger (or at least Nissan?s charger), why wouldn?t they still take your money for the car? If you buy a NGV, automakers don?t force you to have a home natural gas filling station, why would EVs be different? EVs and home chargers come as a package for convenience, but consumers should have the option to have the car and charger be from different vendors, or even to omit the home charger entirely if that is their choice. Nissan touts the ability for fast chargers to bring the battery to 80% in 28 minutes; combined with a 100 mile range and public chargers at workplaces and shopping centers, the home charger could almost be considered superfluous. Yes not having a home charger is not optimal, and yes the fast-charger will degrade the battery if overused, but if that is how the owner wants to use it, what right does Nissan have to refuse? They can say it would void the warranty, but they can?t prohibit you from doing it. Remember, these are lithium batteries; leaving them partially discharged overnight will not cause damage, unlike lead acid. GM has even said publicly that the Volt would never need to be plugged in if the user does not wish to, and that doing so will not impact the lifespan of the batteries. -Chase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100724/de1b2884/attachment.html From stevel at fern.com Sat Jul 24 13:50:42 2010 From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: gfifield at onlinenw.com writes: > > I looked at the Smart Charging doc Specifications and here is what is says: > "The Smart Charging Dock is designed to communicate with the grid and turn > consumers? homes into grid-connected smart charging hubs ? charging when > energy consumption is low, and delaying the charge when energy demand is > high. The real winner here is the power company. 1) instead of spending your transportation fuel dollars with the gas station, you spend it with them. 2) The power company gets to tell you how much "fuel" you can have, and when. 3) The power company gets to avoid buying/using peak power generation fuel and plant. (And more importantly, they don't have to buy/build/permit new peak power generating capability!) According to a recent statistic, the top 10% of the power the power company generates, costs them 80% of the money they get from you. If they can shave that 10%, they get to pocket the profits! The 100 mile range quoted, depends on a specific driving profile. Let's say, for them moment that All you driving is on the optimum range curve. An ICE can easily do 400 miles in a day of driving. (At 55 mph, its less than 8 hours.) In that distance there will be one stop for gas, taking roughly 15 minutes. An equvilent trip by EV would start out with 100 mile range, in the morning, drive probably 80 miles, before looking for a place to charge. Stopping for an 80% charge... (If you are number one in line, 35 minutes. If you are number 4 in line, common enough at gas stations, it's two and a half hours!). Now you have an 80 percent charge, so you will probably start looking for a charging station after 60 miles. Lets say for the sake of argument, you are number one at each charging station. 80 miles, 35 minutes charge, 60 miles, 35 minutes charge, 60 miles, 35 minutes charge, 60 miles. So.. 320 miles and about the same about of driving time. Assuming your hotel has a charging station waiting for you, you can repeat this the next day.. Assuming that everything works out perfectly, you can expect an extra day on the road for every 4 days. And that assumes you never roll up to the charging station and somebody is already lined up for an 8 hour charge! Or even that you arn't number 4 in line for an 80% charge... or heaven forbid that the power company shorts your 8 hour charge while you sleep at the hotel. With gas stations, there is some competition for price. I'm not sure who will set the price at a road side charging station. You may ask "why only 60 miles?".. well.. look at your experience with an ICE.. Do you start looking for gas with just 5 miles left in the tank? Especially in an area where you don't know what's available for fuel? I'm not sure that EV charging stations will be "right on the highway". With real estate costs being what they are, near highway interchanges, it's likely that charging stations will be at "truck stop" sized facilities, which are sometimes a mile or so off the road. With an EV parked for more than twice as long as a car parks at a gas pump, the number of "pumps" dedicated to EV's will not be nearly as large as the number of gas pumps. In my opinion, EV's will only displace a small number of ICE miles... and probably very few ICE "units" because it's likely that families will have "one of each". With a 32 mile (each way) commute, a Leaf would be marginal at best. (Now if they could get it to 200 miles, on a short charge!.. :-) ) Steve From alan at batie.org Sat Jul 24 19:47:33 2010 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:47:33 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C4BA5C5.6040808@batie.org> On 7/24/10 1:50 PM, Steve's Account wrote: > You may ask "why only 60 miles?".. well.. look at your experience with an > ICE.. Do you start looking for gas with just 5 miles left in the tank? > Especially in an area where you don't know what's available for fuel? That's why I think interstate rest stops are the perfect place for lvl3 chargers: they're perfectly spaced at 50+/- miles, and a half charge will only take about 10-15 minutes. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5249 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100724/05ad3c43/attachment.bin From gfifield at onlinenw.com Sat Jul 24 20:18:00 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77e9ff7f4f12e6e4870a9861c2db2432.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> Hi Steve, I can't disagree with your analysis. However I'm still thinking that this range anxiety can be overcome with smartphone or internet appliances combined with GPS. I believe your the analysis of long distance travel is accurate, within any realistic infrastructure improvements over the next year or two. My wife often brings up this vacation issue. I'll have to hide your email from her! ; ) But seriously folks. I believe that using a RCE, I just heard this term (Remote Combustion Engine), could be good for the grid and power companies and the environment. This doesn't bother me, (unless it is ENRON.) Grid balancing using EVs is probably a great way to handle the problem of integrating wind-power into the grid. With this experiment, the EV Project will expose all of your issues. Let's get them up front and in our faces. . .Then we can change/lobby-for what needs to be changed. It is unrealistic to expect the unbridled range of ICE in reasonably priced EVs. I think we have been oversold on conflating "freedom" with an ICE. (I detect this theme in your scenario.) It is only because the infrastructure has been built around this "freedom" model. Imagine if the ICE never had been invented, the electric vehicles in the early 20th century would have flourished and a whole infrastructure around electric transportation would have been created? Every parking meter is a charging station? Maybe the recharge model is wrong, and the battery exchange is right. Maybe a trolley power system becomes the solution. Maybe the mass transit or rail model with one way E-Zip cars is the solution for your long trips? I have rather low expectation on battery life and degradation. I expect that NISSAN will assume this risk in their warranty model. (The survey I just took explored this extensively; I expect this is part of the delay; figuring out the warranty details.) During that warranty time I expect that battery technology and charging diversity will be improving. So after a few years I expect the range to be 80 miles with 60 miles being a comfort level before recharging. If it is less than that I expect a replacement battery covered by warranty. For Daily Commuting. My worst commute was up to Camas, WA for 46 miles one way. My expectation is that in such a commute I have access to a Level 2 charger at both ends. So for me I still think that we are headed in the right direction. Away from oil and toward renewable energy. Away from war and toward creativity. Gene Fifield > gfifield at onlinenw.com writes: >> >> I looked at the Smart Charging doc Specifications and here is what is >> says: >> "The Smart Charging Dock is designed to communicate with the grid and >> turn >> consumers? homes into grid-connected smart charging hubs ? charging when >> energy consumption is low, and delaying the charge when energy demand is >> high. > > The real winner here is the power company. > > 1) instead of spending your transportation fuel dollars with the > gas station, you spend it with them. > > 2) The power company gets to tell you how much "fuel" you can have, and > when. > > 3) The power company gets to avoid buying/using peak power generation fuel > and plant. (And more importantly, they don't have to buy/build/permit new > peak power generating capability!) > > According to a recent statistic, the top 10% of the power the power > company generates, costs them 80% of the money they get from you. If > they can shave that 10%, they get to pocket the profits! > > The 100 mile range quoted, depends on a specific driving profile. Let's > say, for them moment that All you driving is on the optimum range curve. > > An ICE can easily do 400 miles in a day of driving. (At 55 mph, its less > than 8 hours.) In that distance there will be one stop for gas, taking > roughly 15 minutes. > > An equvilent trip by EV would start out with 100 mile range, in the > morning, > drive probably 80 miles, before looking for a place to charge. Stopping > for > an 80% charge... (If you are number one in line, 35 minutes. If you are > number > 4 in line, common enough at gas stations, it's two and a half hours!). Now > you have an 80 percent charge, so you will probably start looking for a > charging station after 60 miles. Lets say for the sake of argument, you > are number one at each charging station. > > 80 miles, 35 minutes charge, 60 miles, 35 minutes charge, 60 miles, 35 > minutes > charge, 60 miles. So.. 320 miles and about the same about of driving time. > > Assuming your hotel has a charging station waiting for you, you can repeat > this the next day.. > > Assuming that everything works out perfectly, you can expect an extra day > on the road for every 4 days. > > And that assumes you never roll up to the charging station and somebody is > already lined up for an 8 hour charge! Or even that you arn't number 4 in > line for an 80% charge... or heaven forbid that the power company shorts > your 8 hour charge while you sleep at the hotel. > > With gas stations, there is some competition for price. I'm not sure who > will set the price at a road side charging station. > > You may ask "why only 60 miles?".. well.. look at your experience with an > ICE.. Do you start looking for gas with just 5 miles left in the tank? > Especially in an area where you don't know what's available for fuel? > > I'm not sure that EV charging stations will be "right on the highway". > With real estate costs being what they are, near highway interchanges, > it's > likely that charging stations will be at "truck stop" sized facilities, > which > are sometimes a mile or so off the road. With an EV parked for more than > twice > as long as a car parks at a gas pump, the number of "pumps" dedicated to > EV's > will not be nearly as large as the number of gas pumps. > > In my opinion, EV's will only displace a small number of ICE miles... and > probably very few ICE "units" because it's likely that families will have > "one of each". > > With a 32 mile (each way) commute, a Leaf would be marginal at best. (Now > if they could get it to 200 miles, on a short charge!.. :-) ) > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From richard at hamje.net Sun Jul 25 14:33:41 2010 From: richard at hamje.net (Richard Hamje) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:33:41 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations. Message-ID: <28C9B6A7AB1B4573BD8593C2C5D8DAD3@RichardPC> In my opinion, EV's will only displace a small number of ICE miles... and probably very few ICE "units" because it's likely that families will have"one of each". I don't disagree that many families will have one of each. However, the EV would be the preferred car for all but long commutes or road trips because it is so much cheaper to operate. So while the units displacement may be small, the miles displaced is likely to be disproportionately larger. The Bureau of Transportation Statistics reports that 78% of Americans drive less than 20 miles one-way per weekday, 51% less than 10 miles. The average total miles driven is now about 10,000 (has been declining recently), or about 27.4 miles per day which works out to 137 miles per workweek assuming a similar amount of driving on weekends. This works out to a 13.7 mile one-way trip per weekday which is consistent with the first statistics. All of this driving is easily done with an EV. Without the detailed trip data, it's not possible to tell what percentage of all trips would be outside the range of an EV, but guessing from the above numbers it might be around 20%. So, if the EV is the preferred vehicle in the driveway, and if 80% of all trips can be done with the EV, we'd expect to see ICE-driven mileage drop by a huge amount - from around 10,000 miles per year to perhaps 2,000. Best of all, the short trips being displaced are the least efficient for an IC and most efficient for an EV. So what if you drive the ICE car on a few road trips every year? This is the best and most efficient use for an ICE - and the money required to build and charge EVs for this purpose could probably be better used elsewhere in the energy infrastructure (home solar charging?). No vehicle (ICE or EV) is perfect for every purpose. You wouldn't plow fields with a minivan or commute on a farm tractor. My personal belief is that "range anxiety" is an artifice being promoted by powerful organizations with a big stake in the ICE world. IMHO, Richard Richard Hamje 822 SE 45th Avenue Portland, OR 97215 503-805-8829 richard at hamje.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100725/ff618353/attachment.html From swedish.god at gmail.com Sun Jul 25 14:39:00 2010 From: swedish.god at gmail.com (Ken B) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:39:00 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational V results? Message-ID: Does anyone have a link to the results? Thanks, KB From mhodgert at bethel.k12.or.us Sun Jul 25 15:41:16 2010 From: mhodgert at bethel.k12.or.us (Hodgert, Mike) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations. References: <28C9B6A7AB1B4573BD8593C2C5D8DAD3@RichardPC> Message-ID: Richard, Well said!!! I agree. Mike -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org on behalf of Richard Hamje Sent: Sun 7/25/10 2:33 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations. In my opinion, EV's will only displace a small number of ICE miles... and probably very few ICE "units" because it's likely that families will have"one of each". I don't disagree that many families will have one of each. However, the EV would be the preferred car for all but long commutes or road trips because it is so much cheaper to operate. So while the units displacement may be small, the miles displaced is likely to be disproportionately larger. The Bureau of Transportation Statistics reports that 78% of Americans drive less than 20 miles one-way per weekday, 51% less than 10 miles. The average total miles driven is now about 10,000 (has been declining recently), or about 27.4 miles per day which works out to 137 miles per workweek assuming a similar amount of driving on weekends. This works out to a 13.7 mile one-way trip per weekday which is consistent with the first statistics. All of this driving is easily done with an EV. Without the detailed trip data, it's not possible to tell what percentage of all trips would be outside the range of an EV, but guessing from the above numbers it might be around 20%. So, if the EV is the preferred vehicle in the driveway, and if 80% of all trips can be done with the EV, we'd expect to see ICE-driven mileage drop by a huge amount - from around 10,000 miles per year to perhaps 2,000. Best of all, the short trips being displaced are the least efficient for an IC and most efficient for an EV. So what if you drive the ICE car on a few road trips every year? This is the best and most efficient use for an ICE - and the money required to build and charge EVs for this purpose could probably be better used elsewhere in the energy infrastructure (home solar charging?). No vehicle (ICE or EV) is perfect for every purpose. You wouldn't plow fields with a minivan or commute on a farm tractor. My personal belief is that "range anxiety" is an artifice being promoted by powerful organizations with a big stake in the ICE world. IMHO, Richard Richard Hamje 822 SE 45th Avenue Portland, OR 97215 503-805-8829 richard at hamje.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100725/0534e79a/attachment.html From Theoldcars at aol.com Sun Jul 25 15:56:52 2010 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:56:52 EDT Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations Message-ID: Electric power companies may increase their profits but would that really be a bad thing? Would we rather have electric providers increase their rates because of poor energy management? IMO it is far better to keep the development of power here in the United States. The United Sates should reduce imports and oil would be a good place to start. Utility power companies are going to need profits to improve the power supply. I would much rather have this situation then oil companies making record profits that will never be used to make us less dependent on oil. I view a vehicle like a tool. You use the one that fits your needs and gets the job done. The vast majority of people are driving local and their daily trips are less than 50 miles. So the tool most drivers need is for local transportation. If you only drive 300 miles a week 50 weeks of the year is it really necessary to have a vehicle with 2800 miles in one week? An ICE may go 400 miles with a 15 minute stop but is that what most drivers would do? No lunch or going to the restrooms for 6 or 7 hours straight? If you have a family or many other people in the car that is far less likely to happen. If I had a 400 mile trip to stop for four thirty minutes charges I would use that time improve the quality of the trip. A four hundred mile trip daily trip. For most people this would be done while on vacation or a rushed weekend. The best tool would be to just rent an ICE in the size and style that meets your requirements. Regardless of how far you drive on a two week vacation. For most people long trips are a very small amount of the overall miles traveled in one year. Its important to keep in mind the vast majority of the public driving is done local. So using a limited expensive dirty resource would not be using the best tool for the job. The Leaf could have been built with more range. It would have increased the cost to have a larger pack for range that most people would not use on a daily basis. It makes sense not to have a vehicle with far more range then your going to use daily. For many that would be 40 miles or less and the Leaf or Volt becomes a very good option. Unless your needs exceed the capability of the Leaf there really is no need for range anxiety a couple of times out of a year of driving. The United States has five percent of the worlds population yet uses 25 percent of the worlds oil. I don't agree the answer is to just to keep going into deeper debt and pass this on to the next generation. There are other solutions and we owe it to our nation and our children to use them if possible. In 2003 I really did not know the capabilities of an EV but I wanted to find out. In the past 6 years I have driven well over 60,000 miles all electric. The vast majority of these miles were with an S-10 with 50 miles of range with no three phase fast charging. In 2004 I stopped driving a 2000 Tahoe with 40,000 miles and in 2010 it still has 40,000 miles. In 2004 I put the vehicle on insurance storage and did not sell it. Looking back I would advise anyone to just sell their ICE and rent. What I lost in the depreciation alone would have more than paid for any rental. If anyone does get an EV and keep your old car just remember you might not use it very much anymore. Anyone else have any stories of daily EV use? Don In a message dated 7/25/2010 12:00:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve's Account" Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations. To: oeva-list at oeva.org Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed gfifield at onlinenw.com writes: > > I looked at the Smart Charging doc Specifications and here is what is says: > "The Smart Charging Dock is designed to communicate with the grid and turn > consumers? homes into grid-connected smart charging hubs ? charging when > energy consumption is low, and delaying the charge when energy demand is > high. The real winner here is the power company. 1) instead of spending your transportation fuel dollars with the gas station, you spend it with them. 2) The power company gets to tell you how much "fuel" you can have, and when. 3) The power company gets to avoid buying/using peak power generation fuel and plant. (And more importantly, they don't have to buy/build/permit new peak power generating capability!) According to a recent statistic, the top 10% of the power the power company generates, costs them 80% of the money they get from you. If they can shave that 10%, they get to pocket the profits! The 100 mile range quoted, depends on a specific driving profile. Let's say, for them moment that All you driving is on the optimum range curve. An ICE can easily do 400 miles in a day of driving. (At 55 mph, its less than 8 hours.) In that distance there will be one stop for gas, taking roughly 15 minutes. An equvilent trip by EV would start out with 100 mile range, in the morning, drive probably 80 miles, before looking for a place to charge. Stopping for an 80% charge... (If you are number one in line, 35 minutes. If you are number 4 in line, common enough at gas stations, it's two and a half hours!). Now you have an 80 percent charge, so you will probably start looking for a charging station after 60 miles. Lets say for the sake of argument, you are number one at each charging station. 80 miles, 35 minutes charge, 60 miles, 35 minutes charge, 60 miles, 35 minutes charge, 60 miles. So.. 320 miles and about the same about of driving time. Assuming your hotel has a charging station waiting for you, you can repeat this the next day.. Assuming that everything works out perfectly, you can expect an extra day on the road for every 4 days. And that assumes you never roll up to the charging station and somebody is already lined up for an 8 hour charge! Or even that you arn't number 4 in line for an 80% charge... or heaven forbid that the power company shorts your 8 hour charge while you sleep at the hotel. With gas stations, there is some competition for price. I'm not sure who will set the price at a road side charging station. You may ask "why only 60 miles?".. well.. look at your experience with an ICE.. Do you start looking for gas with just 5 miles left in the tank? Especially in an area where you don't know what's available for fuel? I'm not sure that EV charging stations will be "right on the highway". With real estate costs being what they are, near highway interchanges, it's likely that charging stations will be at "truck stop" sized facilities, which are sometimes a mile or so off the road. With an EV parked for more than twice as long as a car parks at a gas pump, the number of "pumps" dedicated to EV's will not be nearly as large as the number of gas pumps. In my opinion, EV's will only displace a small number of ICE miles... and probably very few ICE "units" because it's likely that families will have "one of each". With a 32 mile (each way) commute, a Leaf would be marginal at best. (Now if they could get it to 200 miles, on a short charge!.. :-) ) Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100725/23497a45/attachment-0001.html From Theoldcars at aol.com Sun Jul 25 16:37:30 2010 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 19:37:30 EDT Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations Message-ID: I could not agree with Richard more. Having an EV with about 20 miles of range I found was only limiting for personal trips than for transportation to work. When I upgraded to a NiMH with 40 to 50 miles of range it really took care of just about all my driving needs with range to spare. I also have a RAV4 EV with 90 to 100 miles of range but its full range is hardly ever used. I think Nissan made a good move limiting the Leaf's range to 80 to 100 miles. To keep costs down so more people can afford to buy an EV. All I can say to an ICE driver is don't dismiss how much driving you can do with an EV with 30 or 40 miles of range for local use. For some people this might replace all their ICE miles. Many seem to scoff at the idea of 30 to 40 miles but it not any where near as limiting as most ICE drivers believe it to be. Don In a message dated 7/25/2010 3:57:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:33:41 -0700 From: "Richard Hamje" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations. To: Message-ID: <28C9B6A7AB1B4573BD8593C2C5D8DAD3 at RichardPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In my opinion, EV's will only displace a small number of ICE miles... and probably very few ICE "units" because it's likely that families will have"one of each". I don't disagree that many families will have one of each. However, the EV would be the preferred car for all but long commutes or road trips because it is so much cheaper to operate. So while the units displacement may be small, the miles displaced is likely to be disproportionately larger. The Bureau of Transportation Statistics reports that 78% of Americans drive less than 20 miles one-way per weekday, 51% less than 10 miles. The average total miles driven is now about 10,000 (has been declining recently), or about 27.4 miles per day which works out to 137 miles per workweek assuming a similar amount of driving on weekends. This works out to a 13.7 mile one-way trip per weekday which is consistent with the first statistics. All of this driving is easily done with an EV. Without the detailed trip data, it's not possible to tell what percentage of all trips would be outside the range of an EV, but guessing from the above numbers it might be around 20%. So, if the EV is the preferred vehicle in the driveway, and if 80% of all trips can be done with the EV, we'd expect to see ICE-driven mileage drop by a huge amount - from around 10,000 miles per year to perhaps 2,000. Best of all, the short trips being displaced are the least efficient for an IC and most efficient for an EV. So what if you drive the ICE car on a few road trips every year? This is the best and most efficient use for an ICE - and the money required to build and charge EVs for this purpose could probably be better used elsewhere in the energy infrastructure (home solar charging?). No vehicle (ICE or EV) is perfect for every purpose. You wouldn't plow fields with a minivan or commute on a farm tractor. My personal belief is that "range anxiety" is an artifice being promoted by powerful organizations with a big stake in the ICE world. 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100726/fc465725/attachment.html From matwete at comcast.net Mon Jul 26 07:35:14 2010 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:35:14 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational V results? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003001cb2ccf$c33899b0$49a9cd10$@net> I saw the Zombie do an 11.7sec run.that may have been its best for this year. I don't know if any other electrics came close to that. -Myles From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of patrick0101 at gmail.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 1:29 AM To: Ken B Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational V results? and pictures or video? On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Ken B wrote: Does anyone have a link to the results? Thanks, KB _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100726/aa6c7955/attachment.html From jbillsnews at flickfx.com Mon Jul 26 10:15:39 2010 From: jbillsnews at flickfx.com (J Bills) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:15:39 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational V results? In-Reply-To: <003001cb2ccf$c33899b0$49a9cd10$@net> References: <003001cb2ccf$c33899b0$49a9cd10$@net> Message-ID: I was there this weekend - the interesting thing on that 11.7 run is the controller cut out and it coasted much of the 2nd half of the run as the driver toggled the ignition and "rebooted" it! There's about a 1-2 second delay as the Zilla starts back up. So you can imagine what kind of times it might pull when they work out the controller interference and start getting clean runs! It took off like a rocket on that 11.7! Wayland was pouring over the stats, and all signs pointed to 10 second run potential if you subtract out the controller issues. Otmar believed new cable runs and some shielding that will help isolate the Zilla from the ludicrously high voltage side might do the trick. I believe the paper quoted a 355v pack, but it seemed to set up around 390-some with a full surface charge. Yowza! Worth a mention that they blew the motor Friday night! To quote the Bonj, the Siamese 8 went down in a blaze of glory. Literally, a shower of sparks. ha ha ha, "we blow things up so you don't have to." After a late night effort from the crew, true to it's name, the Zombie rose from the dead and all of the Saturday runs were done with the new Siamese 9. There were definitely some other EVs blasting off - Mike's Pinto had a pretty good Saturday after working out some problems on Friday. The lean, mean electric dragster (was his name Dave?) had some nice kick to it. And there was some hot Tesla on Tesla action. Was my first time out at the races, and it was an exciting weekend to say the least! I thought it was especially funny that Saturday was diesel "league night," and many of the rest of the cars were SUPER pollutive and the thick black smoke was dowsing the crowd. Might have some photos I can get up. Carol seemed to be the track photographer and she was shooting all weekend - I'll track down the link tonight from home if no one else has posted it by then. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Myles Twete wrote: > I saw the Zombie do an 11.7sec run?that may have been its best for this > year. > > I don?t know if any other electrics came close to that. > > > > -Myles > > > > *From:* oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] *On > Behalf Of *patrick0101 at gmail.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 1:29 AM > *To:* Ken B > *Cc:* oeva-list at oeva.org > *Subject:* Re: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational V results? > > > > and pictures or video? > > > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Ken B wrote: > > Does anyone have a link to the results? > > Thanks, > > KB > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unless you were pedal-to-the-metal at 8 grand (when it sounded like an F-16) it otherwise sounded like a Singer sewing machine - whirrrrrrrr. That's the real reason the Wankel never made it. Have you ever noticed a biker at a traffic light? He might be riding the smoothest and quietest bike in the world, but he still sits there gunning the engine - vroom - vroom, for no possible reason. Listen to him go through the gears; he gives it an extra blast between gears, again for no reason - like he's clearing its throat. This noise / vibration galaxy of sensations is visceral and is seated in the reptile brain. Just like the baseball card I used to put in my bicycle spokes. Watch me go in my electric car - Hmmmmmm! There is hope for these folks however. My brother-in-law has an electric boat. He's bought a CD of muscle car sounds he plays at full volume as he tools around his Arkansas fishing lake. Nick Galaday Vernonia, OR Energy conservation-- saves more than energy! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100726/4bc329b2/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 2743 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100726/4bc329b2/attachment.jpe From stevel at fern.com Mon Jul 26 14:24:00 2010 From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Theoldcars at aol.com writes: > Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations > [snip] > All I can say to an ICE driver is don't dismiss how much driving you can do > with an EV with 30 or 40 miles of range for local use. For some people this > might replace all their ICE miles. Many seem to scoff at the idea of 30 to > 40 miles but it not any where near as limiting as most ICE drivers believe > it to be. > > Don My commute measures 32 miles, each way... and my employer has already decided that they arn't willing to install charging stations, due to liability concerns. All but about 3.7 miles are at 55 MPH. (with about 2 miles on interstate, with a mandatory minimum speed of 40 MPH.) If I do ANYTHING but drive to and from work, I believe I'd be into the "marginal" battery state of charge. (And combining trips is one of the ways I minimize driving now!) I'm actually surprized to see the few number of miles the statistics you quote, say people drive. It's certinly not my experience. I wonder.. Will AAA tow a EV with a dead battery to a charging station? Steve From jray3 at aol.com Mon Jul 26 14:23:31 2010 From: jray3 at aol.com (jray3 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:23:31 -0400 Subject: [Oeva-list] All Wayland Invitational photo albums (three, so far) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCFB1FEE298396-8A0-3172@webmail-m052.sysops.aol.com> by Carol, the track photographer http://picasaweb.google.com/PIRPhotogal/PIRWaylandInvitationalVElectricRacingFridayJuly232010#5497416484993883506 By Tim Ritchey, Tacoma EVA Vice President http://showcasenwphoto.zenfolio.com/p355154171/e33005046#h6f32979 By Steve Lough, SEVA President http://picasaweb.google.com/stevenslough1206/WalandDrags2010#slideshow/5498275722513808722 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100726/0dd31c7e/attachment.html From john.p.christian at intel.com Mon Jul 26 15:28:05 2010 From: john.p.christian at intel.com (Christian, John P) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:28:05 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational V results? In-Reply-To: <003001cb2ccf$c33899b0$49a9cd10$@net> References: <003001cb2ccf$c33899b0$49a9cd10$@net> Message-ID: <7C88852EF6F99F4EB538472FCFEBE22201345248E5@orsmsx509.amr.corp.intel.com> Greetings fellow EV fans, I went to the Wayland event on Saturday night with a few family members and met John from the White Zombie Team. He reported that the much fabled new battery pack may have contributed to the demise of the two 10" DC brushed motors on Friday night. Also that someone stopped by afterwards and contributed two 9" brushed motors which they were working to install and test for some runs on Saturday night. We stayed until about 9:15 and the only EV we saw run was the White Zombie. Although there were at least two Tesla Roadsters, a Karman Gaia EV, and one purpose built EV dragster there in the pseudo-EV compound - and probable several others. Since it was my sons first time there it wasn't exactly the great intro to EV competition that I had hoped for, nor was it anywhere near the caliper of last year's race - in terms of EV participation. However it could have been for a number of reasons like; my timing, being there on the second night of racing instead of the first, the heat, or just bad luck. While there I met Steve Lough, current president of the SEVA. He had some great stories about his EV experience over the years. He had one of the first EV dealerships in the NW back in the '70s. His group is actively assisting current EV infrastructure planning efforts - help decide where charging stations should be placed. I also ran into Tim and Bubba, so overall, it was all good. Regards, John P. Christian OEVA Chair * +1(503) 704-2155 -Mobile P please consider the environment... From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Myles Twete Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:35 AM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational V results? I saw the Zombie do an 11.7sec run...that may have been its best for this year. I don't know if any other electrics came close to that. -Myles From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of patrick0101 at gmail.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 1:29 AM To: Ken B Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational V results? and pictures or video? On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Ken B > wrote: Does anyone have a link to the results? Thanks, KB _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100726/5ba459f5/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13203 bytes Desc: image001.png Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100726/5ba459f5/attachment-0001.png From stevel at fern.com Mon Jul 26 17:22:01 2010 From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] The real EV pushback. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > From: "Nick" > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] The real EV pushback > > Though the herein initiated EV fans can't imagine someone continuing to > choose to drive / buy an ICE once the Leaf (etc.) is readily available, > considering an EV operates for 1/4th the cost of an ICE, there will indeed > be pushback; and it's not "range anxiety". I had a new '93 Mazda RX-7. 4.7 > seconds 0-60. I once set the cruise control at 160 mph on I-84 early one > summer morning on my way to Spokane. It outperformed exotic sports cars > costing much more. So why in the world would someone buy a Ferrari when > they could get my RX-7 (10 pounds per horsepower, did I mention that) for > 1/4th the cost? Testosterone.! Simple as that. My RX-7 had a Wankel > engine (albeit 255 hp dual rotor - dual blower). Unless you were > pedal-to-the-metal at 8 grand (when it sounded like an F-16) it otherwise > sounded like a Singer sewing machine - whirrrrrrrr. That's the real reason > the Wankel never made it. [snip] Well.. actually, he did. My father worked with Wankel when he came to the US. For a time, my dad was a research engineer with Worthington, and Wankel was trying to license his engine for various purposes. They tried using it as a steam engine. It worked fairly well.. but they always had problems with the apex seals. To my knowledge, nothing in the steam engine development ever escaped the lab. The early car development that Wankel participated in was the NSU Prinz Spider, which was the first production development, in 1958. Wankel had an interesting design method. He put a roll of white butcher paper on one side of his desk, and a crank on the other.. He'd start working on one side, and when he got to the far edge, he'd turn the crank, and continue. My dad spent a lot of time pouring over those notes, trying to resolve the issues with the seals. I think an interesting parallel between the EV vs ICE can be seen in the propane/butane/NG fueled vehicles. There we have a fairly cheap, and available fuel, with a "better" polution profile than gasoline or deisel that has been available for MANY years. And yet it has failed, in the US to become a major player in the "over the road" market. Largely, in my opinion, due to limited range and lack of refueling capability. (Coupled with a bizare taxing structure, in some states.) (And yes, I did run a propane fueled vehicle for several years.. so I know first hand, how this process works.) You would think that propane (using propane as a generic for propane/butane/ NG) would have gone like gang busters.. The engine is the "same" as an ICE engine.. .The mechanics all have the basics.. with a bit of additional knowledge about fuel vaporizers, and mixers, the ability to get one serviced was a "no brainer". Propane and butane fuel distribution was/is well established. The existance of off the shelf parts to do conversions and a network of dealers prepared to do the work was in place. A limited fueling network was established, with people skilled in supplying the fuel.. There is a ready source of fuel from US sources. (In fact, the fuel was readily available during the "gas crisis" of the 1970's, if you needed an incentive to convert your vehicle.) And yet.. in spite of all this, propane fueled over the road vehicles never caught on. I find the parallels between the EV's and propane fueled vehicles to be at least "interesting". One of the common threads between the two developments, is that "rabid fans" of a given technology can make them work. But.. most people arn't "rabid fans" of their car.. They just want it to work, and be convienent and reliable. And even in times of severe fuel stress, like the "gas crisis" of the 1970's, folks will sit in line for gas, before they switch to something less convienent. Steve From Dick-Burnham at hoffmancorp.com Mon Jul 26 17:39:56 2010 From: Dick-Burnham at hoffmancorp.com (Dick Burnham) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:39:56 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] J1772 Connectors Message-ID: <170F1529B91249449A690E7E1DAA5CD90692E1CA23@HCC-TOWER.Hoffmancorp.com> Looks like J1772's are starting to hit the market. I ran into Dave Kois at the EV drag races this weekend and he noted that he has them for sale on his website now. http://currentevtech.com/Battery-Chargers/J1772-Connector-c56/ I haven't looked beyond his website to see if others have them but if he has found a way to do it, I imagine others will follow. This is not intended to be an advertisement - just info. Dick ________________________________ --Disclaimer--Hoffman--Corporation-- This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Although steps have been taken to check for viruses, the recipient(s) should also check to ensure messages are virus free. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100726/4d319e3e/attachment.html From shuffman at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 18:19:27 2010 From: shuffman at gmail.com (Sam Huffman) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations. In-Reply-To: <28C9B6A7AB1B4573BD8593C2C5D8DAD3@RichardPC> References: <28C9B6A7AB1B4573BD8593C2C5D8DAD3@RichardPC> Message-ID: The math below is faulty; you are confusing "trips" with "miles". Even assuming the quoted 'trip percentage' is correct (which sounds optimistic to me), bear in mind that 20% of trips are long trips (more miles), and 80% are short trips (fewer miles). In other words, the 80% of trips suitable for an EV include the 5-mile drive to starbucks, or the 10-mile drive to work. The 20% of trips that are appropriate for an ICE are the 400 mile roundtrip to Seattle, or the 2000 mile roundtrip to San Francisco. So the overall drop in ICE miles will still be small, even if more trips occur with the EV. sam On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Richard Hamje wrote: > In my opinion, EV's will only displace a small number of ICE miles... and > probably very few ICE "units" because it's likely that families will > have"one of each". > > I don't disagree that many families will have one of each. However, the EV > would be the preferred car for all but long commutes or road trips because > it is so much cheaper to operate. So while the units displacement may be > small, the miles displaced is likely to be disproportionately larger. > > The Bureau of Transportation Statistics reports that 78% of Americans drive > less than 20 miles one-way per weekday, 51% less than 10 miles. The average > total miles driven is now about 10,000 (has been declining recently), or > about 27.4 miles per day which works out to 137 miles per workweek assuming > a similar amount of driving on weekends. This works out to a 13.7 mile > one-way trip per weekday which is consistent with the first statistics. All > of this driving is easily done with an EV. > > Without the detailed trip data, it's not possible to tell what percentage > of all trips would be outside the range of an EV, but guessing from the > above numbers it might be around 20%. > > So, if the EV is the preferred vehicle in the driveway, and if 80% of all > trips can be done with the EV, we'd expect to see ICE-driven mileage drop by > a huge amount - from around 10,000 miles per year to perhaps 2,000. Best of > all, the short trips being displaced are the least efficient for an IC and > most efficient for an EV. > > So what if you drive the ICE car on a few road trips every year? This is > the best and most efficient use for an ICE - and the money required to build > and charge EVs for this purpose could probably be better used elsewhere in > the energy infrastructure (home solar charging?). No vehicle (ICE or EV) is > perfect for every purpose. You wouldn't plow fields with a minivan or > commute on a farm tractor. My personal belief is that "range anxiety" is > an artifice being promoted by powerful organizations with a big stake in the > ICE world. > > IMHO, > Richard > > > Richard Hamje > 822 SE 45th Avenue > Portland, OR 97215 > 503-805-8829 > richard at hamje.net > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100726/743bf8d1/attachment.html From oeva_treas at yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 19:53:09 2010 From: oeva_treas at yahoo.com (Ray Blackburn) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] 650 EV miles in 4 days Message-ID: <744789.56902.qm@web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I did not make it to the NEDRA drag races this year.? I took my EV to John Day OR from Portland OR.? By the way has any of those?Tesla drivers learned how to cut a light on the tree off the line yet?? Last year, they could not cut? a light to save their lives. Say what you want about EV's and that they must be kept in town.??I?could have taken?either of the V8's I own to John Day and towed my EV?but I look at it?this way.? I paid my self a 100 dollars instead of the oil economy.? Yes, I spent approx 14 hours on the road?waiting for my EV to charge so I could go on.??I paid myself? $7.14 per hour to wait for my?batteries to fill with electrons, I would much rather have the $7.14 per hour to spend on things here in America than contribute to the oil economy.? When/if gas goes to 4-5 dollars and beyond people may reevaluate what is convenient and what is not.??It may just be more convenient to take the EV on the road trip and pocket the cash you?would other wise use to support the oil economy.?? I went to?John Day?to promote EV's at a energy fair, their were many?people interested in EV's there and they were surprized mine made it on it's own power that far.??My question is???Will?there be any Leafs making the trip next year?? I?expect it is to much trouble for most? My trip:? Left?Thurs July 22 at?8:30?Am, went 30 miles?up the Gorge and turned around and came back.? Charge two hours, left again with my clothes bag at approx 12 - 12:30 PM.??Arrived in The Dalles at approx 3:00 PM? Charge 6 hours at?The Dalles, left?The Dalles at 9:30 PM, arrived in Fossil at 12:30 AM.? The receptacle that was installed was incorrect.? Waited/slept?and? ate, then met a electrician at the receptacle at 8:30 AM on Friday morning, instead of changing the receptacle we hack sawed my plug, now it fits two different receptacles a 14-50P and?one other.? Started charging in Fossil approx 8:30 AM Friday morning.? I wanted a full charge because from Fossil to John Day is approx 104 miles.? Left?Fossil?approx 2:30 PM, arrived at John Day at approx 6:00 PM with 40 miles range left, during this last leg of the trip I did stop to?swim in the John Day river and went off the highway to look at a fossil bed and wound up talking to a Forest Ranger for a half hour about EV's.? The return trip was much easier as I?knew the places to charge and my plug was modified to fit all receptacles immediately.? A link to the event?here.?http://www.solwest.org/fair.htm#additions 650 EV miles in 4 days and it was actually fun, I learned much about the towns I?spent 6 - 7 hours charging in and exposed many people in those towns to EV's.? Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100726/bd67ebfa/attachment.html From nscale7 at aol.com Mon Jul 26 20:19:49 2010 From: nscale7 at aol.com (nscale7 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:19:49 -0400 Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations Message-ID: <8CCFB51B47D53C6-72C-5F88@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> stevel at fern.com writes: >my employer has already decided that they aren't willing to install charging stations, due to liability concerns. This is not an uncommon problem. In fact, it seems to be standard operating procedure. I think that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic as long as it is optional; from what I?ve seen most employers are highly resistant to workplace charging. PCC refuses to install chargers, PSU refuses to install chargers, even the BPA, which stands to gain from EVs, refuses to install charging stations. If employers that stand to gain from EVs, like the BPA, or that are nationally renowned for their sustainability, like PSU, won?t allow workplace charging stations, what does that tell us about the rest of the employers in the city? Portland State University, nationally renowned for their sustainability and actively researching EVs, refuses to install charging stations for faculty and students, because they claim the reserved spaces would be used less often than the rest of the spaces in the garage, causing them to lose money, as much as $300 a month per EV space. For an institution whose annual budget is in the hundreds of millions, and that just spent nearly half a million dollars to plant twelve trees in the urban center plaza, $300 a month is a pretty poor excuse. Further, that the spaces they?ve already reserved for PSU?s Xebras, Plug-In Prius, and RAV4 EVs sit empty half the time, and so could theoretically be made available to students during the day, is apparently irrelevant. The Bonneville Power Administration refuses to install charging stations because they claim it would be an illegal use of government resources, akin to using public money to buy gas for a private car (although BPA does exactly that all the time, in addition to giving away free bus passes.) Portland Community College, which offers EV technician training in their automotive program, basically said the same thing. That other government entities like ODOT, OHSU, Multnomah County, and the Cities of Portland, Hillsboro, Gresham, etc. have established legal precedent to the contrary is apparently irrelevant. I suspect the bottom line is not that employers are unable to provide charging for legal or liability reasons, it?s simply that they don?t want to, no way, no how; Thus my belief that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic so long as it is optional. In this case, perhaps what is needed is a change to the building codes to require EV charging for buildings over a certain size, much as handicapped and bicycle parking are required, not optional. The city of Vancouver, BC now requires 10% of spaces in new residential parking garages to support EV charging; perhaps we could convince the City of Portland to adopt similar codes. The Portland city council recently passed a resolution to support electric vehicles, (Available here: http://www.portlandonline.com/shared/cfm/image.cfm?id=309915 ) and an amendment to the building codes requiring EV charging on new construction would be a straightforward way for the council to put that resolution into action. Of course, lobbying for code changes might conflict with our non-profit status, so it may require some creativity. >I wonder.. Will AAA tow a EV with a dead battery to a charging station? Yes. If AAA will tow a bicycle with a flat tire, why wouldn?t they tow an EV? Remember, AAA wants to make money, and providing customers with needed services is the way you make money. They may even eventually develop an emergency charge (EmergiCharge?) truck with a built in fast-charger, running off of batteries or a gas generator. It wouldn?t have to recharge you fully, or even to 80%; just enough to get to a real charging station under your own power, and two or three minutes of fast-charge would give you several miles of range with which to do so. Sort of like how they don?t fill the tank if you run out of gas, just a gallon or two to get you to a gas station. Of course, ultimately the plan is to populate the entire world with charging stations, so you?d never be more than, say, a half-mile from one, but that won?t be realized for a while yet, and in the meantime AAA can make some money. -Chase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <8CCFB5EC4358780-72C-69EA@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> stevel at fern.com writes: > [with propane] we have a fairly cheap, and available fuel, with a "better" pollution profile than gasoline or diesel, that has been available for MANY years. And yet it has failed, in the US to become a major player in the "over the road" market. Largely, in my opinion, due to limited range and lack of refueling capability. Range is far greater than in an EV, and hundreds of thousands of possible refueling stations exist. The U-haul shop down the street from my house sells propane into any size tank you have, even a car. The hardware store does as well, as do many gas stations. My house is plumbed for natural gas, I could refuel a CNG car at home just like an EV. Fueling is not the problem. >The existence of off-the-shelf parts to do conversions and a network of dealers prepared to do the work was in place. This is the problem. The reason CNG / LPG never caught on is because this network of conversion shops does not exist, because of the EPA and the Clean Air Act. EV conversions are thriving, with thousands of them nationwide, because EVs are exempt from the Clean Air Act. Meanwhile, there are effectively no CNG or LPG conversions, despite, as you mentioned, being far less expensive in parts and labor and requiring far less modification to the vehicle than an EV conversion. The reason is the Clean Air Act regulates every modification made to a combustion engine to prevent tampering with pollution controls. The mechanics that do CNG / LPG conversions must purchase the appropriate EPA permits. The actual cost of a CNG / LPG conversion in parts and labor is only a few hundred, far less than an EV conversion, but the cost of the EPA permit is ultimately added to the price of the conversion, because those permits are pricey. The permits cost $10,000 each, are engine and model specific, and must be renewed annually. If a conversion shop wanted to convert, for example, a four-cylinder 2009 Ford F-150 to CNG, they would need a $10,000 dollar permit. If they also wanted to do conversions on the six-cylinder version of that same truck, they would need another, separate $10,000 permit. If they also wanted to do conversions on the extended-cab version of that same truck, that would require another two permits, one for the four-cylinder extended-cab, and one for the six-cylinder extended-cab. All totaled, to be allowed to perform CNG conversions on all versions of that one truck (four or six-cylinder, extended or regular-cab,) would require permits totaling $40,000, and that?s only for the 2009 model year. If they also wanted to convert the 2008 or 2010 versions, that?s a completely different set of permits, and those permits are only good for one year, and so must be purchased annually. The result? There are effectively no CNG or LPG conversions on the road, and those that do exist are wildly expensive because the owner was willing/crazy enough to pay not only for the parts and labor, but also for the EPA permit. Meanwhile, production CNG vehicles are few and mostly limited to commercial/industrial vehicles like garbage trucks and busses; Currently only Honda offers a CNG passenger car, and only in certain markets. The lack of production vehicles crippled the electric vehicle field, but electric vehicles exist today largely because the ?rabid fans? you speak of built conversions, demonstrating there was demand for them. While the lack of production EVs was crippling, the lack of production CNG vehicles was fatal, because the EPA ensured there could be no conversions, regardless of how many ?rabid fans? there were of the technology. For more on CNG / LPG vehicles and EPA licensing, see this article: http://gas2.org/2009/07/31/natural-gas-conversions-could-cost-a-couple-hundred/ = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/cf2658c8/attachment.html From Theoldcars at aol.com Tue Jul 27 00:03:20 2010 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:03:20 EDT Subject: [Oeva-list] 650 EV miles in 4 days Message-ID: <25207.4fa6baca.397fdeb8@aol.com> Hello Ray 162 miles a day average is impressive with 240 charging. When I review the possibilities of taking a trip like this I usually start thinking of increasing range. Like adding a second charger and loading a pack in the bed or cargo area. Maybe even towing a small trailer with a second pack of batteries. Three phase charging if available would eliminate the need for a larger pack. I enjoyed the story and it sounds like you had a great road trip. Don In a message dated 7/26/2010 8:20:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:53:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ray Blackburn Subject: [Oeva-list] 650 EV miles in 4 days To: oeva-list at oeva.org Message-ID: <744789.56902.qm at web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I did not make it to the NEDRA drag races this year.? I took my EV to John Day OR from Portland OR.? By the way has any of those?Tesla drivers learned how to cut a light on the tree off the line yet?? Last year, they could not cut? a light to save their lives. Say what you want about EV's and that they must be kept in town.??I?could have taken?either of the V8's I own to John Day and towed my EV?but I look at it?this way.? I paid my self a 100 dollars instead of the oil economy.? Yes, I spent approx 14 hours on the road?waiting for my EV to charge so I could go on.??I paid myself? $7.14 per hour to wait for my?batteries to fill with electrons, I would much rather have the $7.14 per hour to spend on things here in America than contribute to the oil economy.? When/if gas goes to 4-5 dollars and beyond people may reevaluate what is convenient and what is not.??It may just be more convenient to take the EV on the road trip and pocket the cash you?would other wise use to support the oil economy.?? I went to?John Day?to promote EV's at a energy fair, their were many?people interested in EV's there and they were surprized mine made it on it's own power that far.??My question is???Will?there be any Leafs making the trip next year?? I?expect it is to much trouble for most? My trip:? Left?Thurs July 22 at?8:30?Am, went 30 miles?up the Gorge and turned around and came back.? Charge two hours, left again with my clothes bag at approx 12 - 12:30 PM.??Arrived in The Dalles at approx 3:00 PM? Charge 6 hours at?The Dalles, left?The Dalles at 9:30 PM, arrived in Fossil at 12:30 AM.? The receptacle that was installed was incorrect.? Waited/slept?and? ate, then met a electrician at the receptacle at 8:30 AM on Friday morning, instead of changing the receptacle we hack sawed my plug, now it fits two different receptacles a 14-50P and?one other.? Started charging in Fossil approx 8:30 AM Friday morning.? I wanted a full charge because from Fossil to John Day is approx 104 miles.? Left?Fossil?approx 2:30 PM, arrived at John Day at approx 6:00 PM with 40 miles range left, during this last leg of the trip I did stop to?swim in the John Day river and went off the highway to look at a fossil bed and wound up talking to a Forest Ranger for a half hour about EV's.? The return trip was much easier as I?knew the places to charge and my plug was modified to fit all receptacles immediately.? A link to the event?here.?http://www.solwest.org/fair.htm#additions 650 EV miles in 4 days and it was actually fun, I learned much about the towns I?spent 6 - 7 hours charging in and exposed many people in those towns to EV's.? Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/9a2d72a1/attachment.html From jbillsnews at flickfx.com Tue Jul 27 00:29:28 2010 From: jbillsnews at flickfx.com (J Bills) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 00:29:28 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational V results? In-Reply-To: <7C88852EF6F99F4EB538472FCFEBE22201345248E5@orsmsx509.amr.corp.intel.com> References: <003001cb2ccf$c33899b0$49a9cd10$@net> <7C88852EF6F99F4EB538472FCFEBE22201345248E5@orsmsx509.amr.corp.intel.com> Message-ID: >>Carol seemed to be the track photographer and she was shooting all weekend - I'll track down the link tonight from home if no one else has posted it by then.<< http://picasaweb.google.com/PIRPhotogal On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Christian, John P < john.p.christian at intel.com> wrote: > Greetings fellow EV fans, > > > > I went to the Wayland event on Saturday night with a few family members and > met John from the White Zombie Team. He reported that the much fabled new > battery pack may have contributed to the demise of the two 10? DC brushed > motors on Friday night. Also that someone stopped by afterwards and > contributed two 9? brushed motors which they were working to install and > test for some runs on Saturday night. > > > > We stayed until about 9:15 and the only EV we saw run was the White Zombie. > Although there were at least two Tesla Roadsters, a Karman Gaia EV, and one > purpose built EV dragster there in the pseudo-EV compound ? and probable > several others. Since it was my sons first time there it wasn?t exactly the > great intro to EV competition that I had hoped for, nor was it anywhere near > the caliper of last year?s race ? in terms of EV participation. However it > could have been for a number of reasons like; my timing, being there on the > second night of racing instead of the first, the heat, or just bad luck. > > > > While there I met Steve Lough, current president of the SEVA. He had some > great stories about his EV experience over the years. He had one of the > first EV dealerships in the NW back in the ?70s. His group is actively > assisting current EV infrastructure planning efforts ? help decide where > charging stations should be placed. I also ran into Tim and Bubba, so > overall, it was all good. > > > > Regards, > > > > John P. Christian > > *OEVA Chair* > > *(** +1(503) 704-2155 -Mobile*** > > *P** **please consider the environment?* > > > > *From:* oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] *On > Behalf Of *Myles Twete > *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 7:35 AM > *To:* oeva-list at oeva.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational V results? > > > > I saw the Zombie do an 11.7sec run?that may have been its best for this > year. > > I don?t know if any other electrics came close to that. > > > > -Myles > > > > *From:* oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] *On > Behalf Of *patrick0101 at gmail.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 1:29 AM > *To:* Ken B > *Cc:* oeva-list at oeva.org > *Subject:* Re: [Oeva-list] Wayland Invitational V results? > > > > and pictures or video? > > > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Ken B wrote: > > Does anyone have a link to the results? > > Thanks, > > KB > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/b392600e/attachment-0001.html From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Tue Jul 27 06:04:33 2010 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:04:33 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] PSU EV charging considerations Message-ID: As far as PSU is concerned, this isn't true, I am involved with a PSU project that is aimed at establishing the best access and siting locations on campus for Electric Vehicle Service Equipment (EVSE) and plans are being finalized with the parties involved. Many organizations are also reconsidering Public EV charging locations, as a result of ARRA grants. Payment mechanisms will be available from most manufacturers, so places won't be giving away electricity. Many of these outdated concerns are going away, now that EVs are on a comeback. By this time next year, there will be over 1000 publicly available EVSE locations around Oregon. More than 1 for every 2 EVs on the road. Rick Rick Durst, Program Manager Portland General Electric Energy Information Services and Electric Vehicles 503-464-7631 phone 503-464-2284 fax ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org To: Oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Mon Jul 26 20:19:49 2010 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations stevel at fern.com writes: >my employer has already decided that they aren't willing to install charging stations, due to liability concerns. This is not an uncommon problem. In fact, it seems to be standard operating procedure. I think that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic as long as it is optional; from what I?ve seen most employers are highly resistant to workplace charging. PCC refuses to install chargers, PSU refuses to install chargers, even the BPA, which stands to gain from EVs, refuses to install charging stations. If employers that stand to gain from EVs, like the BPA, or that are nationally renowned for their sustainability, like PSU, won?t allow workplace charging stations, what does that tell us about the rest of the employers in the city? Portland State University, nationally renowned for their sustainability and actively researching EVs, refuses to install charging stations for faculty and students, because they claim the reserved spaces would be used less often than the rest of the spaces in the garage, causing them to lose money, as much as $300 a month per EV space. For an institution whose annual budget is in the hundreds of millions, and that just spent nearly half a million dollars to plant twelve trees in the urban center plaza, $300 a month is a pretty poor excuse. Further, that the spaces they?ve already reserved for PSU?s Xebras, Plug-In Prius, and RAV4 EVs sit empty half the time, and so could theoretically be made available to students during the day, is apparently irrelevant. The Bonneville Power Administration refuses to install charging stations because they claim it would be an illegal use of government resources, akin to using public money to buy gas for a private car (although BPA does exactly that all the time, in addition to giving away free bus passes.) Portland Community College, which offers EV technician training in their automotive program, basically said the same thing. That other government entities like ODOT, OHSU, Multnomah County, and the Cities of Portland, Hillsboro, Gresham, etc. have established legal precedent to the contrary is apparently irrelevant. I suspect the bottom line is not that employers are unable to provide charging for legal or liability reasons, it?s simply that they don?t want to, no way, no how; Thus my belief that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic so long as it is optional. In this case, perhaps what is needed is a change to the building codes to require EV charging for buildings over a certain size, much as handicapped and bicycle parking are required, not optional. The city of Vancouver, BC now requires 10% of spaces in new residential parking garages to support EV charging; perhaps we could convince the City of Portland to adopt similar codes. The Portland city council recently passed a resolution to support electric vehicles, (Available here: http://www.portlandonline.com/shared/cfm/image.cfm?id=309915 ) and an amendment to the building codes requiring EV charging on new construction would be a straightforward way for the council to put that resolution into action. Of course, lobbying for code changes might conflict with our non-profit status, so it may require some creativity. >I wonder.. Will AAA tow a EV with a dead battery to a charging station? Yes. If AAA will tow a bicycle with a flat tire, why wouldn?t they tow an EV? Remember, AAA wants to make money, and providing customers with needed services is the way you make money. They may even eventually develop an emergency charge (EmergiCharge?) truck with a built in fast-charger, running off of batteries or a gas generator. It wouldn?t have to recharge you fully, or even to 80%; just enough to get to a real charging station under your own power, and two or three minutes of fast-charge would give you several miles of range with which to do so. Sort of like how they don?t fill the tank if you run out of gas, just a gallon or two to get you to a gas station. Of course, ultimately the plan is to populate the entire world with charging stations, so you?d never be more than, say, a half-mile from one, but that won?t be realized for a while yet, and in the meantime AAA can make some money. -Chase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/4effd002/attachment.html From john.p.christian at intel.com Tue Jul 27 08:06:37 2010 From: john.p.christian at intel.com (Christian, John P) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:06:37 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] 650 EV miles in 4 days In-Reply-To: <744789.56902.qm@web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <744789.56902.qm@web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7C88852EF6F99F4EB538472FCFEBE2220136618D5F@orsmsx509.amr.corp.intel.com> Hey Ray, This is fantastic and I applaud your efforts. I should have my Leaf by this time next year and I will make that same trip with you then. It should be even easier as there is the higher risk of seeing more infrastructure in place by then. We need to start shifting our focus on finding some fun ways to enjoy our EVs while continuing the education efforts like this one. As we move into the next phase of EV evolution let's keep it interesting. Thanks so much. John P. Christian OEVA Chair * +1(503) 704-2155 -Mobile P please consider the environment... From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Ray Blackburn Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:53 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] 650 EV miles in 4 days I did not make it to the NEDRA drag races this year. I took my EV to John Day OR from Portland OR. By the way has any of those Tesla drivers learned how to cut a light on the tree off the line yet? Last year, they could not cut a light to save their lives. Say what you want about EV's and that they must be kept in town. I could have taken either of the V8's I own to John Day and towed my EV but I look at it this way. I paid my self a 100 dollars instead of the oil economy. Yes, I spent approx 14 hours on the road waiting for my EV to charge so I could go on. I paid myself $7.14 per hour to wait for my batteries to fill with electrons, I would much rather have the $7.14 per hour to spend on things here in America than contribute to the oil economy. When/if gas goes to 4-5 dollars and beyond people may reevaluate what is convenient and what is not. It may just be more convenient to take the EV on the road trip and pocket the cash you would other wise use to support the oil economy. I went to John Day to promote EV's at a energy fair, their were many people interested in EV's there and they were surprized mine made it on it's own power that far. My question is? Will there be any Leafs making the trip next year? I expect it is to much trouble for most? My trip: Left Thurs July 22 at 8:30 Am, went 30 miles up the Gorge and turned around and came back. Charge two hours, left again with my clothes bag at approx 12 - 12:30 PM. Arrived in The Dalles at approx 3:00 PM Charge 6 hours at The Dalles, left The Dalles at 9:30 PM, arrived in Fossil at 12:30 AM. The receptacle that was installed was incorrect. Waited/slept and ate, then met a electrician at the receptacle at 8:30 AM on Friday morning, instead of changing the receptacle we hack sawed my plug, now it fits two different receptacles a 14-50P and one other. Started charging in Fossil approx 8:30 AM Friday morning. I wanted a full charge because from Fossil to John Day is approx 104 miles. Left Fossil approx 2:30 PM, arrived at John Day at approx 6:00 PM with 40 miles range left, during this last leg of the trip I did stop to swim in the John Day river and went off the highway to look at a fossil bed and wound up talking to a Forest Ranger for a half hour about EV's. The return trip was much easier as I knew the places to charge and my plug was modified to fit all receptacles immediately. A link to the event here. http://www.solwest.org/fair.htm#additions 650 EV miles in 4 days and it was actually fun, I learned much about the towns I spent 6 - 7 hours charging in and exposed many people in those towns to EV's. Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/84ef9d78/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13203 bytes Desc: image001.png Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100727/84ef9d78/attachment-0001.png From oeva_treas at yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 08:56:50 2010 From: oeva_treas at yahoo.com (Ray Blackburn) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] EV convoy to John Day in 2011. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <752591.20706.qm@web111106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you,??John P. Christian. The organizers of the Solwest?event in John Day?realy would appreciate having a Leaf there next year.? I told them I would try and get some one to bring there Leaf.? Even if there are no charging stations?where we are going, the organizers of the event will reach out to the small cities we will be traveling through and find us places to charge.? The?Leaf will need a few more places than my car but we will make sure every place we stop has the correct connection a month before the trip.? They want the Leaf there, so they will?find volunteers that will allow us to charge on their property where we need to.? It will just take a bit of planning.? More?Leafs would be even better on the trip.? We could have a EV convoy.? We may have to stagger our EV's so we don't clog up charging places/stations with many EV's.??Thanks again John, if it is just you and I we will have great fun.? By the way my math was wrong with the return trip I was only paying myself half of $7.14, $3.57 is correct, I would need gas to go to $6 per gallon to get paid ?the $7.14 per hour waiting to charge (or faster charging), that would ordinarily go to the oil economy. ?Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. ________________________________ From: "oeva-list-request at oeva.org" To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 8:06:44 AM Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 40 Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to ??? oeva-list at oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? oeva-list-request at oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at ??? oeva-list-owner at oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: PSU EV charging considerations (Rick Durst) ? 2. Re: 650 EV miles in 4 days (Christian, John P) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:04:33 -0700 From: Rick Durst Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] PSU EV charging considerations To: "'nscale7 at aol.com'" ,??? "'Oeva-list at oeva.org'" ??? Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As far as PSU is concerned, this isn't true, I am involved with a PSU project that is aimed at establishing the best access and siting locations on campus for Electric Vehicle Service Equipment (EVSE) and plans are being finalized with the parties involved. Many organizations are also reconsidering Public EV charging locations, as a result of ARRA grants. Payment mechanisms will be available from most manufacturers, so places won't be giving away electricity. Many of these outdated concerns are going away, now that EVs are on a comeback. By this time next year, there will be over 1000 publicly available EVSE locations around Oregon. More than 1 for every 2 EVs on the road. Rick Rick Durst, Program Manager Portland General Electric Energy Information Services and Electric Vehicles 503-464-7631 phone 503-464-2284 fax ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org To: Oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Mon Jul 26 20:19:49 2010 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations stevel at fern.com writes: >my employer has already decided that they aren't willing to install charging >stations, due to liability concerns. This is not an uncommon problem. In fact, it seems to be standard operating procedure. I think that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic as long as it is optional; from what I?ve seen most employers are highly resistant to workplace charging. PCC refuses to install chargers, PSU refuses to install chargers, even the BPA, which stands to gain from EVs, refuses to install charging stations. If employers that stand to gain from EVs, like the BPA, or that are nationally renowned for their sustainability, like PSU, won?t allow workplace charging stations, what does that tell us about the rest of the employers in the city? Portland State University, nationally renowned for their sustainability and actively researching EVs, refuses to install charging stations for faculty and students, because they claim the reserved spaces would be used less often than the rest of the spaces in the garage, causing them to lose money, as much as $300 a month per EV space. For an institution whose annual budget is in the hundreds of millions, and that just spent nearly half a million dollars to plant twelve trees in the urban center plaza, $300 a month is a pretty poor excuse. Further, that the spaces they?ve already reserved for PSU?s Xebras, Plug-In Prius, and RAV4 EVs sit empty half the time, and so could theoretically be made available to students during the day, is apparently irrelevant. The Bonneville Power Administration refuses to install charging stations because they claim it would be an illegal use of government resources, akin to using public money to buy gas for a private car (although BPA does exactly that all the time, in addition to giving away free bus passes.) Portland Community College, which offers EV technician training in their automotive program, basically said the same thing. That other government entities like ODOT, OHSU, Multnomah County, and the Cities of Portland, Hillsboro, Gresham, etc. have established legal precedent to the contrary is apparently irrelevant. I suspect the bottom line is not that employers are unable to provide charging for legal or liability reasons, it?s simply that they don?t want to, no way, no how; Thus my belief that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic so long as it is optional. In this case, perhaps what is needed is a change to the building codes to require EV charging for buildings over a certain size, much as handicapped and bicycle parking are required, not optional. The city of Vancouver, BC now requires 10% of spaces in new residential parking garages to support EV charging; perhaps we could convince the City of Portland to adopt similar codes. The Portland city council recently passed a resolution to support electric vehicles, (Available here: http://www.portlandonline.com/shared/cfm/image.cfm?id=309915 ) and an amendment to the building codes requiring EV charging on new construction would be a straightforward way for the council to put that resolution into action. Of course, lobbying for code changes might conflict with our non-profit status, so it may require some creativity. >I wonder.. Will AAA tow a EV with a dead battery to a charging station? Yes. If AAA will tow a bicycle with a flat tire, why wouldn?t they tow an EV? Remember, AAA wants to make money, and providing customers with needed services is the way you make money. They may even eventually develop an emergency charge (EmergiCharge?) truck with a built in fast-charger, running off of batteries or a gas generator. It wouldn?t have to recharge you fully, or even to 80%; just enough to get to a real charging station under your own power, and two or three minutes of fast-charge would give you several miles of range with which to do so. Sort of like how they don?t fill the tank if you run out of gas, just a gallon or two to get you to a gas station. Of course, ultimately the plan is to populate the entire world with charging stations, so you?d never be more than, say, a half-mile from one, but that won?t be realized for a while yet, and in the meantime AAA can make some money. -Chase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/4effd002/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:06:37 -0700 From: "Christian, John P" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] 650 EV miles in 4 days To: Ray Blackburn ,??? "oeva-list at oeva.org" ??? Message-ID: ??? <7C88852EF6F99F4EB538472FCFEBE2220136618D5F at orsmsx509.amr.corp.intel.com> ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Ray, This is fantastic and I applaud your efforts. I should have my Leaf by this time next year and I will make that same trip with you then. It should be even easier as there is the higher risk of seeing more infrastructure in place by then. We need to start shifting our focus on finding some fun ways to enjoy our EVs while continuing the education efforts like this one. As we move into the next phase of EV evolution let's keep it interesting. Thanks so much. John P. Christian OEVA Chair * +1(503) 704-2155 -Mobile P please consider the environment... From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Ray Blackburn Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:53 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] 650 EV miles in 4 days I did not make it to the NEDRA drag races this year.? I took my EV to John Day OR from Portland OR.? By the way has any of those Tesla drivers learned how to cut a light on the tree off the line yet?? Last year, they could not cut? a light to save their lives. Say what you want about EV's and that they must be kept in town.? I could have taken either of the V8's I own to John Day and towed my EV but I look at it this way.? I paid my self a 100 dollars instead of the oil economy.? Yes, I spent approx 14 hours on the road waiting for my EV to charge so I could go on.? I paid myself? $7.14 per hour to wait for my batteries to fill with electrons, I would much rather have the $7.14 per hour to spend on things here in America than contribute to the oil economy.? When/if gas goes to 4-5 dollars and beyond people may reevaluate what is convenient and what is not.? It may just be more convenient to take the EV on the road trip and pocket the cash you would other wise use to support the oil economy.? I went to John Day to promote EV's at a energy fair, their were many people interested in EV's there and they were surprized mine made it on it's own power that far.? My question is?? Will there be any Leafs making the trip next year?? I expec t it is to much trouble for most? My trip:? Left Thurs July 22 at 8:30 Am, went 30 miles up the Gorge and turned around and came back.? Charge two hours, left again with my clothes bag at approx 12 - 12:30 PM.? Arrived in The Dalles at approx 3:00 PM? Charge 6 hours at The Dalles, left The Dalles at 9:30 PM, arrived in Fossil at 12:30 AM.? The receptacle that was installed was incorrect.? Waited/slept and? ate, then met a electrician at the receptacle at 8:30 AM on Friday morning, instead of changing the receptacle we hack sawed my plug, now it fits two different receptacles a 14-50P and one other.? Started charging in Fossil approx 8:30 AM Friday morning.? I wanted a full charge because from Fossil to John Day is approx 104 miles.? Left Fossil approx 2:30 PM, arrived at John Day at approx 6:00 PM with 40 miles range left, during this last leg of the trip I did stop to swim in the John Day river and went off the highway to look at a fossil bed and wound up talking to a Forest Ranger for a half hour about EV's .? The return trip was much easier as I knew the places to charge and my plug was modified to fit all receptacles immediately.? A link to the event here. http://www.solwest.org/fair.htm#additions 650 EV miles in 4 days and it was actually fun, I learned much about the towns I spent 6 - 7 hours charging in and exposed many people in those towns to EV's. Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/84ef9d78/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I'm in town, and I actually have my Leaf in my hot little hands, I think an EV convoy would be a great way to educate folks in a hands-on way. Wendy From: Ray Blackburn [mailto:oeva_treas at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:57 AM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] EV convoy to John Day in 2011. Thank you, John P. Christian. The organizers of the Solwest event in John Day realy would appreciate having a Leaf there next year. I told them I would try and get some one to bring there Leaf. Even if there are no charging stations where we are going, the organizers of the event will reach out to the small cities we will be traveling through and find us places to charge. The Leaf will need a few more places than my car but we will make sure every place we stop has the correct connection a month before the trip. They want the Leaf there, so they will find volunteers that will allow us to charge on their property where we need to. It will just take a bit of planning. More Leafs would be even better on the trip. We could have a EV convoy. We may have to stagger our EV's so we don't clog up charging places/stations with many EV's. Thanks again John, if it is just you and I we will have great fun. By the way my math was wrong with the return trip I was only paying myself half of $7.14, $3.57 is correct, I would need gas to go to $6 per gallon to get paid the $7.14 per hour waiting to charge (or faster charging), that would ordinarily go to the oil economy. Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. ________________________________ From: "oeva-list-request at oeva.org" To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 8:06:44 AM Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 40 Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to oeva-list at oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oeva-list-request at oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at oeva-list-owner at oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: PSU EV charging considerations (Rick Durst) 2. Re: 650 EV miles in 4 days (Christian, John P) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:04:33 -0700 From: Rick Durst > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] PSU EV charging considerations To: "'nscale7 at aol.com'" >, "'Oeva-list at oeva.org'" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As far as PSU is concerned, this isn't true, I am involved with a PSU project that is aimed at establishing the best access and siting locations on campus for Electric Vehicle Service Equipment (EVSE) and plans are being finalized with the parties involved. Many organizations are also reconsidering Public EV charging locations, as a result of ARRA grants. Payment mechanisms will be available from most manufacturers, so places won't be giving away electricity. Many of these outdated concerns are going away, now that EVs are on a comeback. By this time next year, there will be over 1000 publicly available EVSE locations around Oregon. More than 1 for every 2 EVs on the road. Rick Rick Durst, Program Manager Portland General Electric Energy Information Services and Electric Vehicles 503-464-7631 phone 503-464-2284 fax ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > To: Oeva-list at oeva.org > Sent: Mon Jul 26 20:19:49 2010 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations stevel at fern.com> writes: >my employer has already decided that they aren't willing to install charging stations, due to liability concerns. This is not an uncommon problem. In fact, it seems to be standard operating procedure. I think that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic as long as it is optional; from what I?ve seen most employers are highly resistant to workplace charging. PCC refuses to install chargers, PSU refuses to install chargers, even the BPA, which stands to gain from EVs, refuses to install charging stations. If employers that stand to gain from EVs, like the BPA, or that are nationally renowned for their sustainability, like PSU, won?t allow workplace charging stations, what does that tell us about the rest of the employers in the city? Portland State University, nationally renowned for their sustainability and actively researching EVs, refuses to install charging stations for faculty and students, because they claim the reserved spaces would be used less often than the rest of the spaces in the garage, causing them to lose money, as much as $300 a month per EV space. For an institution whose annual budget is in the hundreds of millions, and that just spent nearly half a million dollars to plant twelve trees in the urban center plaza, $300 a month is a pretty poor excuse. Further, that the spaces they?ve already reserved for PSU?s Xebras, Plug-In Prius, and RAV4 EVs sit empty half the time, and so could theoretically be made available to students during the day, is apparently irrelevant. The Bonneville Power Administration refuses to install charging stations because they claim it would be an illegal use of government resources, akin to using public money to buy gas for a private car (although BPA does exactly that all the time, in addition to giving away free bus passes.) Portland Community College, which offers EV technician training in their automotive program, basically said the same thing. That other government entities like ODOT, OHSU, Multnomah County, and the Cities of Portland, Hillsboro, Gresham, etc. have established legal precedent to the contrary is apparently irrelevant. I suspect the bottom line is not that employers are unable to provide charging for legal or liability reasons, it?s simply that they don?t want to, no way, no how; Thus my belief that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic so long as it is optional. In this case, perhaps what is needed is a change to the building codes to require EV charging for buildings over a certain size, much as handicapped and bicycle parking are required, not optional. The city of Vancouver, BC now requires 10% of spaces in new residential parking garages to support EV charging; perhaps we could convince the City of Portland to adopt similar codes. The Portland city council recently passed a resolution to support electric vehicles, (Available here: http://www.portlandonline.com/shared/cfm/image.cfm?id=309915 ) and an amendment to the building codes requiring EV charging on new construction would be a straightforward way for the council to put that resolution into action. Of course, lobbying for code changes might conflict with our non-profit status, so it may require some creativity. >I wonder.. Will AAA tow a EV with a dead battery to a charging station? Yes. If AAA will tow a bicycle with a flat tire, why wouldn?t they tow an EV? Remember, AAA wants to make money, and providing customers with needed services is the way you make money. They may even eventually develop an emergency charge (EmergiCharge?) truck with a built in fast-charger, running off of batteries or a gas generator. It wouldn?t have to recharge you fully, or even to 80%; just enough to get to a real charging station under your own power, and two or three minutes of fast-charge would give you several miles of range with which to do so. Sort of like how they don?t fill the tank if you run out of gas, just a gallon or two to get you to a gas station. Of course, ultimately the plan is to populate the entire world with charging stations, so you?d never be more than, say, a half-mile from one, but that won?t be realized for a while yet, and in the meantime AAA can make some money. -Chase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/4effd002/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:06:37 -0700 From: "Christian, John P" > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] 650 EV miles in 4 days To: Ray Blackburn >, "oeva-list at oeva.org" > Message-ID: <7C88852EF6F99F4EB538472FCFEBE2220136618D5F at orsmsx509.amr.corp.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Ray, This is fantastic and I applaud your efforts. I should have my Leaf by this time next year and I will make that same trip with you then. It should be even easier as there is the higher risk of seeing more infrastructure in place by then. We need to start shifting our focus on finding some fun ways to enjoy our EVs while continuing the education efforts like this one. As we move into the next phase of EV evolution let's keep it interesting. Thanks so much. John P. Christian OEVA Chair * +1(503) 704-2155 -Mobile P please consider the environment... From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Ray Blackburn Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:53 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] 650 EV miles in 4 days I did not make it to the NEDRA drag races this year. I took my EV to John Day OR from Portland OR. By the way has any of those Tesla drivers learned how to cut a light on the tree off the line yet? Last year, they could not cut a light to save their lives. Say what you want about EV's and that they must be kept in town. I could have taken either of the V8's I own to John Day and towed my EV but I look at it this way. I paid my self a 100 dollars instead of the oil economy. Yes, I spent approx 14 hours on the road waiting for my EV to charge so I could go on. I paid myself $7.14 per hour to wait for my batteries to fill with electrons, I would much rather have the $7.14 per hour to spend on things here in America than contribute to the oil economy. When/if gas goes to 4-5 dollars and beyond people may reevaluate what is convenient and what is not. It may just be more convenient to take the EV on the road trip and pocket the cash you would other wise use to support the oil economy. I went to John Day to promote EV's at a energy fair, their were many people interested in EV's there and they were surprized mine made it on it's own power that far. My question is? Will there be any Leafs making the trip next year? I expec t it is to much trouble for most? My trip: Left Thurs July 22 at 8:30 Am, went 30 miles up the Gorge and turned around and came back. Charge two hours, left again with my clothes bag at approx 12 - 12:30 PM. Arrived in The Dalles at approx 3:00 PM Charge 6 hours at The Dalles, left The Dalles at 9:30 PM, arrived in Fossil at 12:30 AM. The receptacle that was installed was incorrect. Waited/slept and ate, then met a electrician at the receptacle at 8:30 AM on Friday morning, instead of changing the receptacle we hack sawed my plug, now it fits two different receptacles a 14-50P and one other. Started charging in Fossil approx 8:30 AM Friday morning. I wanted a full charge because from Fossil to John Day is approx 104 miles. Left Fossil approx 2:30 PM, arrived at John Day at approx 6:00 PM with 40 miles range left, during this last leg of the trip I did stop to swim in the John Day river and went off the highway to look at a fossil bed and wound up talking to a Forest Ranger for a half hour about EV's . The return trip was much easier as I knew the places to charge and my plug was modified to fit all receptacles immediately. A link to the event here. http://www.solwest.org/fair.htm#additions 650 EV miles in 4 days and it was actually fun, I learned much about the towns I spent 6 - 7 hours charging in and exposed many people in those towns to EV's. 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/41d07e2a/attachment-0001.html From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Tue Jul 27 09:14:41 2010 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:14:41 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Volt now for sale. $41,000 Message-ID: Just announced at Plug in 2010 But only available in Ca, NY, NJ, Ct, Tx, Michigan, Wash DC Getmyvolt.com $41,000 less tax credits. Or lease for $2500 down and $350 monthly for 3 years 8 year 100,000 mile warranty Includes 5 years of Onstar and smart car apps. Rick Durst Rick Durst, Program Manager Portland General Electric Energy Information Services and Electric Vehicles 503-464-7631 phone 503-464-2284 fax From alan at batie.org Tue Jul 27 09:29:59 2010 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:29:59 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] The real EV pushback. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C4F0987.30707@batie.org> On 7/26/10 5:22 PM, Steve's Account wrote: > And yet.. in spite of all this, propane fueled over the road vehicles never > caught on. I remember hearing and thinking about that option when I was in college; for me it was a combination of being too good and not good enough: It was good enough that you thought of it as a primary vehicle, not a second local commuter car, but not something you would risk going cross country with because you couldn't be sure of getting fuel, and the advantages weren't enough to be worth the risk. There was some incentive a, and a brief flurry of activity, but the game has changed with fossil fuels and there's a lot more push all around to move away from them. To me, EVs are enough better that, when I could afford it, I got one as a second car, and with the Leaf, good enough to be my primary car with a cheap gas car as the secondary vehicle (I plan to get a used Ranger or Tacoma to use for hauling stuff, and going where there's no EV infrastructure when needed). Time will tell if this is a flash in the pan or the bleeding edge of the future... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5249 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100727/066c91fa/attachment.bin From alan at batie.org Tue Jul 27 09:38:32 2010 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:38:32 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] The real EV pushback. In-Reply-To: <8CCFB5EC4358780-72C-69EA@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCFB5EC4358780-72C-69EA@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C4F0B88.6080501@batie.org> On 7/26/10 9:53 PM, nscale7 at aol.com wrote: > Range is far greater than in an EV, and hundreds of thousands of > possible refueling stations exist. The U-haul shop down the street from > my house sells propane into any size tank you have, even a car. Actually, they won't, as a general rule: they're not allowed to unless they handle the vehicle fuel tax. Granted, it's been 35 years since I worked at the gas station with U-haul and propane, but I doubt propane fueled cars have gained enough market share to cause that situation to change much...though it probably *is* easier to find the places that you can fuel up at now... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5249 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100727/75b77d35/attachment.bin From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Tue Jul 27 10:40:02 2010 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:40:02 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Ecotality announcement Message-ID: ECOtality - a renewable energy development company ECOtality Introduces Blink The First Smart, Interactive, Iconic EV Chargers and Network Intelligent, Connected National EV Infrastructure Offers Products for Residential, Utility and Retail Customers Plug-In 2010, SAN FRANCISCO - Tuesday, July 27, 2010 - ECOtality, Inc. (NASDAQ:ECTY ), a leader in clean electric transportation and storage technologies, today unveiled its flagship electric vehicle charging stations: Blink . The first truly smart chargers to hit the market, the Blink Level 2 charging stations will be available in two models?one, an in-home residential wall-mount unit and the second, a commercial stand-alone charger. They are designed to be the centerpiece of the rich EV charging infrastructure system that will pave the way to long-term success in the adoption of electric vehicles in the United States and around the world. ?Blink is more than a place to plug in a car?it is the fulcrum between the driver, car, home and utility. This high level of interactivity built into our system sets Blink chargers apart from anything else on the market and is key to driving consumer EV adoption,? said Jonathan Read, CEO of ECOtality. ?Never before has consumer demand been so high and the market potential so large for EVs. By introducing a charger that is simply smarter and really connected, ECOtality and our partners are setting a new industry standard.? ECOtality worked with global innovation firm frog design to set a new precedent for electric vehicle chargers. ?We are thrilled to partner with ECOtality to design and bring to market the Blink family of EV chargers,? said Paul Bradley, executive creative director for frog design. ?Blink adds a human touch to complex technology. The design has a familiar graphic and functional simplicity that will help to integrate electric vehicles into consumers? lives, and represents a new icon for a smart EV ecosystem.? The chargers offer significant improvements over previous charging stations and are well positioned in a market that is expected to grow to $1.5 billion by 2015, according to a recent Pike Research report on the electric vehicle equipment supply industry. Blink?s robust, interactive, networked platform communicates directly with the major stakeholders in EV adoption: consumers, utilities and points of installation, such as retailers. Additionally, the chargers work in conjunction with smart grid systems, and their integrated communication capabilities will be a key part of utilities? demand response solution. The first Blink charging stations will be installed in Fall 2010 as part of The EV Project. As project manager of The EV Project, ECOtality will deploy nearly 15,000 charging stations in 16 cities across six U.S. states, as well as the District of Columbia. The $230 million public-private initiative is funded in part with a $114.8 million grant from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA). ?We?re at a pivotal point propelled by large government investment in The EV Project and unparalleled consumer demand. We?re drawing on our years of experience to provide a product that exceeds consumer expectations and facilitates widespread adoption of electric driving,? said ECOtality North America President Don Karner. ?We?ve taken the lessons learned from our over two decades of electric vehicle infrastructure experience and applied them to create a charging infrastructure network that emphasizes station location, charger communication and user experience. Blink solves the issues targeting key transportation corridors, overcoming consumer concerns.? Charging Your EV at Home Blink was designed to emulate drivers? habits and integrate seamlessly into their lifestyle. Drivers will pull up to their home, garage or carport, plug in their car?and walk away. The Blink Level 2 charger delivers a full charge in two to six hours, can be programmed to charge the car when electricity rates are the lowest, and will link to participating utilities and be controlled remotely through smart phone and web applications. Charging Your EV on the Go Just as Blink home chargers were designed to integrate easily with drivers? existing lifestyles, an extensive amount of consumer behavior analysis and market research guided both the design and location decisions for the commercial chargers. EV drivers will simply travel to their normal destinations?movie theaters, shopping malls, coffee shops and retailers?pull up and charge. The Blink system is fully interactive with color touch screens delivering information, third-party media and connectivity to network headquarters. Through its ability to operate a national network, as well as enterprise networks, Blink will provide an array of applications for monetization of the charging space for host and network operator alike. Both Level 2 units are connected to 240V AC circuits and Underwriters Laboratories (UL), a partner in The EV Project, is currently in the process of testing the units to certify them to UL?s uncompromising safety requirements. Additional information about the units is included in the product spec sheets, available for download on the new Blink website: www.blinknetwork.com . Rick Durst Rick Durst, Program Manager Portland General Electric Energy Information Services and Electric Vehicles 503-464-7631 phone 503-464-2284 fax From pusa411 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 11:02:25 2010 From: pusa411 at gmail.com (PREMIUM-USA) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:02:25 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] The Real EV Pushback.... Message-ID: Alan has a good point, at some in time we Electric Adopters are going to have to pay Road Taxes... Hmm, how is that going to work, at around $0.45 per gallon. I'd gladly do a separate meter on my Level III... :')~~ ... THX.. Daniel T "Bubba" Conway Premium-USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/d4519502/attachment.html From oeva_treas at yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 14:42:03 2010 From: oeva_treas at yahoo.com (Ray Blackburn) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <205846.44079.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Wendy,? they say it is the last weekend in July every year so?July 29th - 31st, 2011.? You don't have to be there all three days, I will be.??They have much room for tents, I pitched a tent and?inflated my air bed and was very comfy Fri and Sat nights. Their are a few motels that are a couple blocks away from the fair grounds.? Their is a RV park in the fair grounds so charging multiple?EV's would not be a problem, though we should not all plug in at once.? My thoughts are if?a convoy does happen we should travel in pairs.? If there are a odd number making the trip I will be happy to travel alone.??I bought one of my charging hosts dinner on the way their and breakfast on the way back in The Dalles.? He said to let him know if we needed 480 charging.? I don't know?exactly how he will get 480 volts out of his house lines but if he says he can do it he probably can.?I know?Gary?Graunke has a way to charge his Insight in 2 hours(special charger).? If we had very many people doing this we may get ambitious and try to find two places in each town with 220v and the connection we need.? It will be interesting and fun to see just how many stops will have to be made with the Leaf.??When I was driving at 9:30 PM their was no one else on the roads once you left 84 E, it was easy to go a bit slower and let the car work out the inclines instead of me working the car.? You can not travel that fast on the roads especially at night?as they are curvy and there are many deer in this part of Oregon.? Many more than I ever see traveling the coast range.? One deer did try to become a hood ornament on my car, luckly?I was only going 50 mph, all my camping gear in the back of the Yaris slid forward as I slammed my brakes on.??Ye - haw! ?Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. ________________________________ From: "oeva-list-request at oeva.org" To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 9:13:36 AM Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 42 Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to ??? oeva-list at oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? oeva-list-request at oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at ??? oeva-list-owner at oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: EV convoy to John Day in 2011. (Marshall, Wendy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:13:28 -0700 From: "Marshall, Wendy" Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV convoy to John Day in 2011. To: "'Ray Blackburn'" ,??? "oeva-list at oeva.org" ??? Message-ID: ??? <60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C346E1470C4 at JUNGLE.gresham.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Do we have a date for the 2011 event?? If I'm in town, and I actually have my Leaf in my hot little hands, I think an EV convoy would be a great way to educate folks in a hands-on way. Wendy From: Ray Blackburn [mailto:oeva_treas at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:57 AM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] EV convoy to John Day in 2011. Thank you,? John P. Christian. The organizers of the Solwest event in John Day realy would appreciate having a Leaf there next year.? I told them I would try and get some one to bring there Leaf.? Even if there are no charging stations where we are going, the organizers of the event will reach out to the small cities we will be traveling through and find us places to charge.? The Leaf will need a few more places than my car but we will make sure every place we stop has the correct connection a month before the trip.? They want the Leaf there, so they will find volunteers that will allow us to charge on their property where we need to.? It will just take a bit of planning.? More Leafs would be even better on the trip.? We could have a EV convoy.? We may have to stagger our EV's so we don't clog up charging places/stations with many EV's.? Thanks again John, if it is just you and I we will have great fun.? By the way my math was wrong with the return trip I was only paying myself half of $7.14, $3.57 is corr ect, I would need gas to go to $6 per gallon to get paid? the $7.14 per hour waiting to charge (or faster charging), that would ordinarily go to the oil economy. Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. ________________________________ From: "oeva-list-request at oeva.org" To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 8:06:44 AM Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 40 Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to ? ? oeva-list at oeva.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? oeva-list-request at oeva.org You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? oeva-list-owner at oeva.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Oeva-list digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: PSU EV charging considerations (Rick Durst) ? 2. Re: 650 EV miles in 4 days (Christian, John P) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:04:33 -0700 From: Rick Durst > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] PSU EV charging considerations To: "'nscale7 at aol.com'" >,? ? "'Oeva-list at oeva.org'" ? ? > Message-ID: ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As far as PSU is concerned, this isn't true, I am involved with a PSU project that is aimed at establishing the best access and siting locations on campus for Electric Vehicle Service Equipment (EVSE) and plans are being finalized with the parties involved. Many organizations are also reconsidering Public EV charging locations, as a result of ARRA grants. Payment mechanisms will be available from most manufacturers, so places won't be giving away electricity. Many of these outdated concerns are going away, now that EVs are on a comeback. By this time next year, there will be over 1000 publicly available EVSE locations around Oregon. More than 1 for every 2 EVs on the road. Rick Rick Durst, Program Manager Portland General Electric Energy Information Services and Electric Vehicles 503-464-7631 phone 503-464-2284 fax ________________________________ From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org > To: Oeva-list at oeva.org > Sent: Mon Jul 26 20:19:49 2010 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations stevel at fern.com> writes: >my employer has already decided that they aren't willing to install charging >stations, due to liability concerns. This is not an uncommon problem. In fact, it seems to be standard operating procedure. I think that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic as long as it is optional; from what I?ve seen most employers are highly resistant to workplace charging. PCC refuses to install chargers, PSU refuses to install chargers, even the BPA, which stands to gain from EVs, refuses to install charging stations. If employers that stand to gain from EVs, like the BPA, or that are nationally renowned for their sustainability, like PSU, won?t allow workplace charging stations, what does that tell us about the rest of the employers in the city? Portland State University, nationally renowned for their sustainability and actively researching EVs, refuses to install charging stations for faculty and students, because they claim the reserved spaces would be used less often than the rest of the spaces in the garage, causing them to lose money, as much as $300 a month per EV space. For an institution whose annual budget is in the hundreds of millions, and that just spent nearly half a million dollars to plant twelve trees in the urban center plaza, $300 a month is a pretty poor excuse. Further, that the spaces they?ve already reserved for PSU?s Xebras, Plug-In Prius, and RAV4 EVs sit empty half the time, and so could theoretically be made available to students during the day, is apparently irrelevant. The Bonneville Power Administration refuses to install charging stations because they claim it would be an illegal use of government resources, akin to using public money to buy gas for a private car (although BPA does exactly that all the time, in addition to giving away free bus passes.) Portland Community College, which offers EV technician training in their automotive program, basically said the same thing. That other government entities like ODOT, OHSU, Multnomah County, and the Cities of Portland, Hillsboro, Gresham, etc. have established legal precedent to the contrary is apparently irrelevant. I suspect the bottom line is not that employers are unable to provide charging for legal or liability reasons, it?s simply that they don?t want to, no way, no how; Thus my belief that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic so long as it is optional. In this case, perhaps what is needed is a change to the building codes to require EV charging for buildings over a certain size, much as handicapped and bicycle parking are required, not optional. The city of Vancouver, BC now requires 10% of spaces in new residential parking garages to support EV charging; perhaps we could convince the City of Portland to adopt similar codes. The Portland city council recently passed a resolution to support electric vehicles, (Available here: http://www.portlandonline.com/shared/cfm/image.cfm?id=309915 ) and an amendment to the building codes requiring EV charging on new construction would be a straightforward way for the council to put that resolution into action. Of course, lobbying for code changes might conflict with our non-profit status, so it may require some creativity. >I wonder.. Will AAA tow a EV with a dead battery to a charging station? Yes. If AAA will tow a bicycle with a flat tire, why wouldn?t they tow an EV? Remember, AAA wants to make money, and providing customers with needed services is the way you make money. They may even eventually develop an emergency charge (EmergiCharge?) truck with a built in fast-charger, running off of batteries or a gas generator. It wouldn?t have to recharge you fully, or even to 80%; just enough to get to a real charging station under your own power, and two or three minutes of fast-charge would give you several miles of range with which to do so. Sort of like how they don?t fill the tank if you run out of gas, just a gallon or two to get you to a gas station. Of course, ultimately the plan is to populate the entire world with charging stations, so you?d never be more than, say, a half-mile from one, but that won?t be realized for a while yet, and in the meantime AAA can make some money. -Chase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/4effd002/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:06:37 -0700 From: "Christian, John P" > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] 650 EV miles in 4 days To: Ray Blackburn >,? ? "oeva-list at oeva.org" ? ? > Message-ID: ? ? <7C88852EF6F99F4EB538472FCFEBE2220136618D5F at orsmsx509.amr.corp.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Ray, This is fantastic and I applaud your efforts. I should have my Leaf by this time next year and I will make that same trip with you then. It should be even easier as there is the higher risk of seeing more infrastructure in place by then. We need to start shifting our focus on finding some fun ways to enjoy our EVs while continuing the education efforts like this one. As we move into the next phase of EV evolution let's keep it interesting. Thanks so much. John P. Christian OEVA Chair * +1(503) 704-2155 -Mobile P please consider the environment... From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Ray Blackburn Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:53 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] 650 EV miles in 4 days I did not make it to the NEDRA drag races this year.? I took my EV to John Day OR from Portland OR.? By the way has any of those Tesla drivers learned how to cut a light on the tree off the line yet?? Last year, they could not cut? a light to save their lives. Say what you want about EV's and that they must be kept in town.? I could have taken either of the V8's I own to John Day and towed my EV but I look at it this way.? I paid my self a 100 dollars instead of the oil economy.? Yes, I spent approx 14 hours on the road waiting for my EV to charge so I could go on.? I paid myself? $7.14 per hour to wait for my batteries to fill with electrons, I would much rather have the $7.14 per hour to spend on things here in America than contribute to the oil economy.? When/if gas goes to 4-5 dollars and beyond people may reevaluate what is convenient and what is not.? It may just be more convenient to take the EV on the road trip and pocket the cash you would other wise use to support the oil economy.? I went to John Day to promote EV's at a energy fair, their were many people interested in EV's there and they were surprized mine made it on it's own power that far.? My question is?? Will there be any Leafs making the trip next year?? I expec t it is to much trouble for most? My trip:? Left Thurs July 22 at 8:30 Am, went 30 miles up the Gorge and turned around and came back.? Charge two hours, left again with my clothes bag at approx 12 - 12:30 PM.? Arrived in The Dalles at approx 3:00 PM? Charge 6 hours at The Dalles, left The Dalles at 9:30 PM, arrived in Fossil at 12:30 AM.? The receptacle that was installed was incorrect.? Waited/slept and? ate, then met a electrician at the receptacle at 8:30 AM on Friday morning, instead of changing the receptacle we hack sawed my plug, now it fits two different receptacles a 14-50P and one other.? Started charging in Fossil approx 8:30 AM Friday morning.? I wanted a full charge because from Fossil to John Day is approx 104 miles.? Left Fossil approx 2:30 PM, arrived at John Day at approx 6:00 PM with 40 miles range left, during this last leg of the trip I did stop to swim in the John Day river and went off the highway to look at a fossil bed and wound up talking to a Forest Ranger for a half hour about EV's .? The return trip was much easier as I knew the places to charge and my plug was modified to fit all receptacles immediately.? A link to the event here. http://www.solwest.org/fair.htm#additions 650 EV miles in 4 days and it was actually fun, I learned much about the towns I spent 6 - 7 hours charging in and exposed many people in those towns to EV's. Ray Blackburn OEVA Treasurer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/84ef9d78/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/296c334f/attachment-0001.html From alan at batie.org Tue Jul 27 17:10:06 2010 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:10:06 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. In-Reply-To: <205846.44079.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <205846.44079.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C4F755E.3000508@batie.org> I was thinking it would be entertaining to see if the Leaf could make it over the Cascades from Portland, but it's 134 miles from Corvallis to Bend (where I have a nephew). If I could charge in Sweet Home (30ish miles from Corvallis), which is basically the last town before Sisters, and if that was enough to make it over the pass... I might not need much of a charge by the time I got back down the other side ;-) (well, except for conversion losses and the fact that the high desert is a lot higher than the valley --- now on the way back...). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5249 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100727/51c6518b/attachment.bin From gfifield at onlinenw.com Tue Jul 27 19:26:45 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Letter I recieved today. Message-ID: I received this email today. Hi Gene, thanks for reserving your 100% electric Nissan LEAF?. We just wanted to let you know you'll be able to order your new Nissan LEAF in December 2010. We'll send you an e-mail when it's time to work with a dealer to pick your car's color, review options and get a quote. As you can imagine, the response for the Nissan LEAF has been tremendous. The Nissan LEAF order period will be staggered by state, and the timing of your reservation will hold your place. As a result, orders from states with an infrastructure to support electric driving - either in place or planned - will be taken first. But no matter where you live, you'll be among the first in your area to get a LEAF. For more information available to Nissan LEAF reservation holders, please click here. From gfifield at onlinenw.com Tue Jul 27 20:22:29 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. In-Reply-To: <4C4F755E.3000508@batie.org> References: <205846.44079.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C4F755E.3000508@batie.org> Message-ID: <701780c34ed960d6d7b2f9f97156fc25.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> I was thinking that Google maps or Google Earth should be able to be used to calculate the amount of elevation gain and drop, factor in the efficiency of regenerative braking down hill and come up with a decent estimate for your trip. In fact this should be something that already exists for ICE. Of course your model of car, your driving style, the amount of extra weight your are carrying and the condition of the road and tires, might all be inputs to this calculation. Gene > I was thinking it would be entertaining to see if the Leaf could make it > over the Cascades from Portland, but it's 134 miles from Corvallis to > Bend (where I have a nephew). If I could charge in Sweet Home (30ish > miles from Corvallis), which is basically the last town before Sisters, > and if that was enough to make it over the pass... I might not need > much of a charge by the time I got back down the other side ;-) (well, > except for conversion losses and the fact that the high desert is a lot > higher than the valley --- now on the way back...). > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From patrick0101 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 21:50:52 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:50:52 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Letter I recieved today. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got the same email with an October order date. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wrote: > > I received this email today. > > Hi Gene, thanks for reserving your 100% electric Nissan LEAF?. We just > wanted to let you know you'll be able to order your new Nissan LEAF in > December 2010. > > We'll send you an e-mail when it's time to work with a dealer to pick your > car's color, review options and get a quote. > > As you can imagine, the response for the Nissan LEAF has been tremendous. > The Nissan LEAF order period will be staggered by state, and the timing of > your reservation will hold your place. > > As a result, orders from states with an infrastructure to support electric > driving - either in place or planned - will be taken first. But no matter > where you live, you'll be among the first in your area to get a LEAF. > > For more information available to Nissan LEAF reservation holders, please > click here. > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/58fedda8/attachment.html From ether_scape at yahoo.com Tue Jul 27 21:53:00 2010 From: ether_scape at yahoo.com (S. Jain) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Letter I recieved today. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <821668.93791.qm@web43133.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My email said September.. ________________________________ From: "patrick0101 at gmail.com" To: OEVA Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 9:50:52 PM Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Nissan Letter I recieved today. I got the same email with an October order date. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wrote: >I received this email today. > >Hi Gene, thanks for reserving your 100% electric Nissan LEAF?. We just >wanted to let you know you'll be able to order your new Nissan LEAF in >December 2010. > >We'll send you an e-mail when it's time to work with a dealer to pick your >car's color, review options and get a quote. > >As you can imagine, the response for the Nissan LEAF has been tremendous. >The Nissan LEAF order period will be staggered by state, and the timing of >your reservation will hold your place. > >As a result, orders from states with an infrastructure to support electric >driving - either in place or planned - will be taken first. But no matter >where you live, you'll be among the first in your area to get a LEAF. > >For more information available to Nissan LEAF reservation holders, please >click here. > > >_______________________________________________ >Oeva-list mailing list >Oeva-list at oeva.org >http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/5b2d93cb/attachment.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 22:11:04 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:11:04 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA now 501(c)(3) Message-ID: Fellow OEVA members, I am happy to announce that the OEVA is now has 501(c)(3) tax status! We started this pursuit in 2009 and it has been a long maze of government paperwork to make it to this goal. Special thanks goes to our Treasurer Ray Blackburn for all of his hard work to make this day happen. While we cannot offer any tax advise, you should know that your donations now may be tax deductible. This status is retroactive to June 25th. Contributions to are deductible under section 170 of the tax code. The OEVA is also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devises, transfers, or gifts under section 2055, 2106 or 2522. Check with your tax advisor for your applicability. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/b79597ba/attachment-0001.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 22:16:07 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:16:07 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Gary at Plug-in 2010 Message-ID: > > Gary Graunke of the Oregon Electric Vehicle Association checks out > offerings at the ALTe store exhibit at the Plug-In 2010 conference in San > Jose. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/27/BUMA1EKNEO.DTL Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/8edca906/attachment.html From alan at batie.org Tue Jul 27 23:12:59 2010 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:12:59 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Letter I recieved today. In-Reply-To: <821668.93791.qm@web43133.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <821668.93791.qm@web43133.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C4FCA6B.6050309@batie.org> On 7/27/10 9:53 PM, S. Jain wrote: > My email said September.. So did mine; from the web site, some of it is by state, but I would expect all of us to be in the first crop, so it must be how fast we jumped on the web site: Nissan LEAF? launch schedule august * Arizona * California * Oregon * Tennessee * Washington september * Hawaii * Texas december * Alabama * Dist. of Columbia * Florida * Georgia * Maryland * North Carolina * South Carolina * Virginia fall/winter (2011) * remaining 36 states It's a good thing I'd decided to go Leaf instead of Volt: The Volt will initially be available to customers in California, New York, Washington, D.C., Texas, Michigan, Connecticut and New Jersey, but will be available nationwide in about 12-18 months from start of production this winter. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While we cannot offer any tax advise, you should know?that your donations now may be tax deductible. This?status is retroactive to June 25th.?Contributions to are deductible under section 170 of?the tax code. The OEVA is also qualified to receive?tax deductible bequests, devises, transfers, or gifts?under section 2055, 2106 or 2522. Check with your tax?advisor for your applicability.? Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100727/a0c55935/attachment.html From nickgaladay at msn.com Wed Jul 28 00:02:38 2010 From: nickgaladay at msn.com (Nick) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 00:02:38 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: 'Contact Us' Form information inquiry... Message-ID: I sent this to Oregon AAA: Member Question/Comment: Can I call AAA to come tow me to a public "Level III" charge site, or give me an emergency roadside Level III charge, if I run out of range in my electric Nissan Leaf, or other similar "plug-in electric" car? This question has been asked by members of the OEVA (Oregon Electric Vehicle Association) http://www.oeva.org/ And here's their answer: From: aaaers [mailto:aaaers1 at aaaoregon.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:59 PM To: NickGaladay at MSN.com Subject: RE: 'Contact Us' Form information inquiry... Mr. Galaday, Thank you for your inquiry. AAA is certainly looking into options to provide service to these vehicles. Currently we are capable of providing the towing service to a charging station within the scope of your membership. I see that you live in Vernonia and have the basic membership. You should consider the Plus membership which affords members up to 100 miles of towing. Basic includes towing within the city of the disablement or three miles, additional miles of towing would be provided at $3.75 per mile. The technology for providing mobile battery boosts is currently not fully developed, but we are very interested in providing this service in the future. Please let us know if you have more specific questions about your membership and benefits. Another point to keep in mind is that each member has four service calls available per membership year. Subsequent service during the membership year can still be provided by paying a surcharge of $45. There are many considerations to taking into account. Please feel free to contact us to discuss this further. Lindy aaaers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100728/91782428/attachment-0001.html From nscale7 at aol.com Wed Jul 28 04:47:40 2010 From: nscale7 at aol.com (nscale7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:47:40 -0400 Subject: [Oeva-list] PSU EV charging considerations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CCFC61D1787870-2054-2005@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com> Rick Durst wrote: >I am involved with a PSU project that is aimed at establishing the best access and siting locations on [the PSU] campus for Electric Vehicle Service Equipment (EVSE) and plans are being finalized with the parties involved. Yet it seems to me like the time to figure ?best access and site? would have been when the EVSE for the RAV4 EVs was installed. Or if not then, certainly the time would have been when they installed EVSE for PSU?s new Xebras. The point I was making was that since they have already been installing EVSEs for other users they could have easily installed one more for the public, or made the ones they have already installed available for public use during the day when they are unoccupied. That they have done neither can easily be interpreted as a general unwillingness to provide public charging. Remember, I first requested EV charging two years ago, long before PSU?s RAV4 EVs arrived, long before PSU?s Xebras, and not only am I still waiting, I?ve graduated! I am very surprised to hear that PSU is working with you to move forward with public charging when the director of Transportation And Parking Services (TAPS) said to me not three months ago that they would be ?very unlikely to install charging stations when only one student actually has such a vehicle.? I doubt the number of PSU students and faculty with EVs has significantly increased in that time; In fact, the number has declined by one since I now have my bachelor?s degree. Ironic if TAPS installs it now that (to my knowledge) the only private EV that would have used it has left. Which of course brings up another issue with workplace charging; how much use must the EVSE receive to reasonably amortize the cost of it?s installation? If a company has to spend ($5,000? $15,000?) to install charging equipment, how many times must it be used befor the fee paid per use recoups the equipment and installation costs? If a charger is likely to be lightly used, if for example a company has only one employee with an EV, than might the long payback period cause a host to decide to forgo EVSE altogether? As an example, the AVCON at the Hillsdale Library has been used enough to fully recharge a Ranger EV less than three times; that?s $1000 per full charge just in the cost of the EVSE, more if installation costs are added. While with the EV Project the EVSE is free so amortization doesn?t matter, afterward when site hosts must bear the full cost of future installations (minus the tax credit) it becomes a major consideration, and yet I?ve found nothing in the literature that discusses this. Note: For those who have never visited it, the Hillsdale Library?s AVCON can talk, and says that it has dispensed 84kWh. The Ranger EV has a battery capacity of 33kWH, so 84/33= less than three full charges. Of course, the number of individual uses is likely higher as most opportunity charges are only partial, not full charges. I like that the AVCONs talk about themselves; sort of like how the City Hall station has the meter bolted to it so you can see how much it?s been used, but with that one you have to factor out the Shorepower station?s nighttime lighting. But I digress. >By this time next year, there will be over 1000 publicly available EVSE locations around Oregon. >More than 1 for every 2 EVs on the road More than one for every EV -currently- on the road, sure, but by then there will be 1000 Leafs and 500? iMievs, plus Smart EDs, Th!nk Cities, and Plug-In Priuses running around, just to name a few. The year after that there will be another 40,000 Leafs running around as Nissan gets into full production, and another 40,000 Leafs the year after that, and so on, although of course not all of those Leafs will be in Portland. I know 1000 stations sounds like a lot, but California already has over 300 and one need only review the EVCN ?I was there? reports to know that arriving to find public charging stations in use by another EV is a common problem. Fortunately most locations there have at least two units (1 AVCON & 1 Inductive,) but still. I expect that this problem will be particularly acute at the level 3 fast chargers as that technology comes online because of their rarity (due to cost) and the typical motorist?s preference for them over the ?slow? chargers, but even level 2 stations will have overcrowding as the number of EVs increases year after year. Are there any plans to have the number of public charging stations keep pace with the number of EVs? Perhaps a long term measure like an electricity surcharge to fund new public charging stations? Or my previous suggestion of mandating EVSE in building codes like Vancouver, BC? -Chase Oh, and sorry for the really long posts. *smiles apologetically* -----Original Message----- From: Rick Durst To: 'nscale7 at aol.com' ; 'Oeva-list at oeva.org' Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:04 am Subject: Re: PSU EV charging considerations As far as PSU is concerned, this isn't true, I am involved with a PSU project that is aimed at establishing the best access and siting locations on campus for Electric Vehicle Service Equipment (EVSE) and plans are being finalized with the parties involved. Many organizations are also reconsidering Public EV charging locations, as a result of ARRA grants. Payment mechanisms will be available from most manufacturers, so places won't be giving away electricity. Many of these outdated concerns are going away, now that EVs are on a comeback. By this time next year, there will be over 1000 publicly available EVSE locations around Oregon. More than 1 for every 2 EVs on the road. Rick Rick Durst, Program Manager Portland General Electric Energy Information Services and Electric Vehicles 503-464-7631 phone 503-464-2284 fax From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org To: Oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Mon Jul 26 20:19:49 2010 Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] EV charging considerations stevel at fern.com writes: >my employer has already decided that they aren't willing to install charging stations, due to liability concerns. This is not an uncommon problem. In fact, it seems to be standard operating procedure. I think that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic as long as it is optional; from what I?ve seen most employers are highly resistant to workplace charging. PCC refuses to install chargers, PSU refuses to install chargers, even the BPA, which stands to gain from EVs, refuses to install charging stations. If employers that stand to gain from EVs, like the BPA, or that are nationally renowned for their sustainability, like PSU, won?t allow workplace charging stations, what does that tell us about the rest of the employers in the city? Portland State University, nationally renowned for their sustainability and actively researching EVs, refuses to install charging stations for faculty and students, because they claim the reserved spaces would be used less often than the rest of the spaces in the garage, causing them to lose money, as much as $300 a month per EV space. For an institution whose annual budget is in the hundreds of millions, and that just spent nearly half a million dollars to plant twelve trees in the urban center plaza, $300 a month is a pretty poor excuse. Further, that the spaces they?ve already reserved for PSU?s Xebras, Plug-In Prius, and RAV4 EVs sit empty half the time, and so could theoretically be made available to students during the day, is apparently irrelevant. The Bonneville Power Administration refuses to install charging stations because they claim it would be an illegal use of government resources, akin to using public money to buy gas for a private car (although BPA does exactly that all the time, in addition to giving away free bus passes.) Portland Community College, which offers EV technician training in their automotive program, basically said the same thing. That other government entities like ODOT, OHSU, Multnomah County, and the Cities of Portland, Hillsboro, Gresham, etc. have established legal precedent to the contrary is apparently irrelevant. I suspect the bottom line is not that employers are unable to provide charging for legal or liability reasons, it?s simply that they don?t want to, no way, no how; Thus my belief that the expectation that charging can be done at workplaces is wildly over optimistic so long as it is optional. In this case, perhaps what is needed is a change to the building codes to require EV charging for buildings over a certain size, much as handicapped and bicycle parking are required, not optional. The city of Vancouver, BC now requires 10% of spaces in new residential parking garages to support EV charging; perhaps we could convince the City of Portland to adopt similar codes. The Portland city council recently passed a resolution to support electric vehicles, (Available here: http://www.portlandonline.com/shared/cfm/image.cfm?id=309915 ) and an amendment to the building codes requiring EV charging on new construction would be a straightforward way for the council to put that resolution into action. Of course, lobbying for code changes might conflict with our non-profit status, so it may require some creativity. >I wonder.. Will AAA tow a EV with a dead battery to a charging station? Yes. If AAA will tow a bicycle with a flat tire, why wouldn?t they tow an EV? Remember, AAA wants to make money, and providing customers with needed services is the way you make money. They may even eventually develop an emergency charge (EmergiCharge?) truck with a built in fast-charger, running off of batteries or a gas generator. It wouldn?t have to recharge you fully, or even to 80%; just enough to get to a real charging station under your own power, and two or three minutes of fast-charge would give you several miles of range with which to do so. Sort of like how they don?t fill the tank if you run out of gas, just a gallon or two to get you to a gas station. Of course, ultimately the plan is to populate the entire world with charging stations, so you?d never be more than, say, a half-mile from one, but that won?t be realized for a while yet, and in the meantime AAA can make some money. -Chase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100728/2689ce15/attachment-0001.html From chris at darkstarpro.com Wed Jul 28 05:46:20 2010 From: chris at darkstarpro.com (Chris Arnesen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 05:46:20 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Letter I recieved today. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C50269C.4070404@darkstarpro.com> Put me down as receiving the same letter, except with it stating September 2010. Sincerely, Chris Arnesen On 7/27/2010 7:26 PM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: > I received this email today. > > Hi Gene, thanks for reserving your 100% electric Nissan LEAF?. We just > wanted to let you know you'll be able to order your new Nissan LEAF in > December 2010. > > We'll send you an e-mail when it's time to work with a dealer to pick your > car's color, review options and get a quote. > > As you can imagine, the response for the Nissan LEAF has been tremendous. > The Nissan LEAF order period will be staggered by state, and the timing of > your reservation will hold your place. > > As a result, orders from states with an infrastructure to support electric > driving - either in place or planned - will be taken first. But no matter > where you live, you'll be among the first in your area to get a LEAF. > > For more information available to Nissan LEAF reservation holders, please > click here. > From nscale7 at aol.com Wed Jul 28 06:44:57 2010 From: nscale7 at aol.com (nscale7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:44:57 -0400 Subject: [Oeva-list] The real EV pushback. In-Reply-To: <4C4F0B88.6080501@batie.org> References: <8CCFB5EC4358780-72C-69EA@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> <4C4F0B88.6080501@batie.org> Message-ID: <8CCFC72334FBF25-2054-3CD4@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com> alan at batie.org wrote: >Actually, they won't [sell Propane for cars,] as a general rule: they're not allowed to unless they handle the vehicle fuel tax. Huh. I was not aware that there was a vehicle fuel tax on CNG / LPG. The U-haul place is listed on the U.S. Department of Energy?s Alternative Fuel Data Center, (linked from OEVA?s Charging page,) so I just kind of assumed you could pull up and buy alternative fuels there. So if I had a CNG vehicle and a home filling station, how does that work tax wise, do you know? pusa411 at gmail.com wrote: >Alan has a good point, at some in time we Electric Adopters are going to have to pay Road Taxes... >Hmm, how is that going to work, at around $0.45 per gallon. > I'd gladly do a separate meter on my Level III... :')~~ Yes, eventually EVs will pay road taxes. Although if anyone complains that you don?t pay your fair share already, just point out that the majority of road improvements (60%) are paid for by your property and income taxes, not gas taxes. Puts the argument of bicyclists not paying their share in gas taxes in a different perspective, doesn?t it? Ever wonder why the Pearl District or the South Waterfront have such nice roads? Development fees and property taxes (as urban renewal) on the new condos, not a penny of gas tax involved. Also, a large chunk of the Portland Streetcar was paid for by those condo owners as well, which is only fair as they are the ones who benefit most. The Streetcar, of course, is a very different kind of electric vehicle, but it's battery is so small it's range is only 200 feet. *smirk* It?s good that you?d be willing to have a separate meter on your charger, because that?s already required in parts of California, as is the special EV billing schedule; you can?t get the building permit to install the charger without it. It is entirely possible the same will be required in Oregon eventually. It?s good if you charge at night when it?s cheap, but if you have to charge during the day the cost is brutal. As for taxes, one idea that I?ve heard is to eliminate the gas tax and private auto insurance, and pay a per-mile tax. The tax would cover road maintenance, as well as any insurance claims from collisions, the benefit being that there would no longer be any uninsured motorists because it was paid for through taxes, while the huge profits the insurance companies have would stay in the motorist?s pocket. Expressing it as a per mile tax would also encourage people to drive fewer miles, even though the actual cost of car ownership per mile would be largely unchanged from what it is today. While that particular idea is unlikely to happen for a variety of reasons, some form of per-mile road tax is almost inevitable as vehicles become increasingly fuel efficient, undermining the very concept of the gas tax, which now only pays for 40% of our roads, and that percentage is declining rapidly, particularly with all the stimulus spending on roads. -Chase -----Original Message----- From: Alan Batie To: oeva-list at oeva.org Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 9:38 am Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] The real EV pushback. On 7/26/10 9:53 PM, nscale7 at aol.com wrote: > Range is far greater than in an EV, and hundreds of thousands of possible refueling stations exist. The U-haul shop down the street from my house sells propane into any size tank you have, even a car. Actually, they won't, as a general rule: they're not allowed to unless hey handle the vehicle fuel tax. Granted, it's been 35 years since I orked at the gas station with U-haul and propane, but I doubt propane ueled cars have gained enough market share to cause that situation to hange much...though it probably *is* easier to find the places that you an fuel up at now... _______________________________________________ eva-list mailing list eva-list at oeva.org ttp://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100728/c72de20f/attachment.html From garry at europa.com Wed Jul 28 07:04:55 2010 From: garry at europa.com (garry painter) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:04:55 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. In-Reply-To: <701780c34ed960d6d7b2f9f97156fc25.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> References: <205846.44079.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C4F755E.3000508@batie.org> <701780c34ed960d6d7b2f9f97156fc25.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> Message-ID: If you have a GPS, or could borrow one, you can upload the data from that trip to chargecar.org. They will tell you how much energy the trip will consume. Just go to their homepage: http://chargecar.org/home Then click on the "SHARE" link. Once that is done, you click on the "DATA" link. You will see a map of the US. Click on the "push pin" in Oregon. Then select your trip data. As an example, you can check my trip stats to work one day: http://chargecar.org/data/333 Click on the "If I had an electric car..." link. There it tells you that my 10.13 mile trip to work would have consumed 2.32 kwh. If I had an electric car of course. Garry ps. and they have graphs! I always wished John Wayland would carry a gps on his little trips around PIR and upload his data. The website's purpose is to gather data for "commutes to and from work". It would be fun to see the reaction of the people running the study. "What the hell does that guy do for a living? Drag racing?" :) On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:22 PM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: > I was thinking that Google maps or Google Earth should be able to > be used > to calculate the amount of elevation gain and drop, factor in the > efficiency of regenerative braking down hill and come up with a decent > estimate for your trip. In fact this should be something that already > exists for ICE. > > Of course your model of car, your driving style, the amount of extra > weight your are carrying and the condition of the road and tires, > might > all be inputs to this calculation. > > Gene > >> I was thinking it would be entertaining to see if the Leaf could >> make it >> over the Cascades from Portland, but it's 134 miles from Corvallis to >> Bend (where I have a nephew). If I could charge in Sweet Home (30ish >> miles from Corvallis), which is basically the last town before >> Sisters, >> and if that was enough to make it over the pass... I might not need >> much of a charge by the time I got back down the other side ;-) >> (well, >> except for conversion losses and the fact that the high desert is >> a lot >> higher than the valley --- now on the way back...). >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From john.p.christian at intel.com Wed Jul 28 07:54:31 2010 From: john.p.christian at intel.com (Christian, John P) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:54:31 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. In-Reply-To: <4C4F755E.3000508@batie.org> References: <205846.44079.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C4F755E.3000508@batie.org> Message-ID: <7C88852EF6F99F4EB538472FCFEBE2220136A562FA@orsmsx509.amr.corp.intel.com> Going to or through the mountains brings up an interesting consideration. I wonder what the regenerative braking will do for you on that trip. It will be fun to find out. John P. Christian ? OEVA Chair +1(503)?704-2155 -Mobile ? please consider the environment? -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of Alan Batie Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:10 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. I was thinking it would be entertaining to see if the Leaf could make it over the Cascades from Portland, but it's 134 miles from Corvallis to Bend (where I have a nephew). If I could charge in Sweet Home (30ish miles from Corvallis), which is basically the last town before Sisters, and if that was enough to make it over the pass... I might not need much of a charge by the time I got back down the other side ;-) (well, except for conversion losses and the fact that the high desert is a lot higher than the valley --- now on the way back...). From dimakukushkin at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 08:33:26 2010 From: dimakukushkin at gmail.com (D K) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:33:26 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Letter I recieved today. In-Reply-To: <4C50269C.4070404@darkstarpro.com> References: <4C50269C.4070404@darkstarpro.com> Message-ID: I am also on board for Leaf, (as alternative to Aptera), Got October for Oregon state of residence. Any one knows about Oregon's plan to start tax rebate for EVs? I envy California's $5k tax rebate probramm, to the point where I wonder if my friend should buy Leaf in CA for me. It's such a dissapointment that while Oregon claims to be one of the most advanced and ready for EV states - there is no tax incentive.... Dmitry On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Chris Arnesen wrote: > Put me down as receiving the same letter, except with it stating > September 2010. > > Sincerely, > Chris Arnesen > > On 7/27/2010 7:26 PM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: > > I received this email today. > > > > Hi Gene, thanks for reserving your 100% electric Nissan LEAF?. We just > > wanted to let you know you'll be able to order your new Nissan LEAF in > > December 2010. > > > > We'll send you an e-mail when it's time to work with a dealer to pick > your > > car's color, review options and get a quote. > > > > As you can imagine, the response for the Nissan LEAF has been tremendous. > > The Nissan LEAF order period will be staggered by state, and the timing > of > > your reservation will hold your place. > > > > As a result, orders from states with an infrastructure to support > electric > > driving - either in place or planned - will be taken first. But no matter > > where you live, you'll be among the first in your area to get a LEAF. > > > > For more information available to Nissan LEAF reservation holders, please > > click here. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100728/21f1e81b/attachment-0001.html From patrick0101 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 08:50:32 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:50:32 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Letter I recieved today. In-Reply-To: References: <4C50269C.4070404@darkstarpro.com> Message-ID: The Oregon tax incentive for plug-ins is $1500. Starting this year the HEV tax credit was dropped and the PEV tax credit took its place. Out Governor's plan was for a $5000 tax credit, but the bill was modified before passing. I posted all the tax rebate form links on our facebook feed a couple weeks ago. Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 8:33 AM, D K wrote: > I am also on board for Leaf, (as alternative to Aptera), > Got October for Oregon state of residence. > > Any one knows about Oregon's plan to start tax rebate for EVs? > I envy California's $5k tax rebate probramm, to the point where I wonder if > my friend should buy Leaf in CA for me. > It's such a dissapointment that while Oregon claims to be one of the most > advanced and ready for EV states - there is no tax incentive.... > > > Dmitry > > > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Chris Arnesen wrote: > >> Put me down as receiving the same letter, except with it stating >> September 2010. >> >> Sincerely, >> Chris Arnesen >> >> On 7/27/2010 7:26 PM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: >> > I received this email today. >> > >> > Hi Gene, thanks for reserving your 100% electric Nissan LEAF?. We just >> > wanted to let you know you'll be able to order your new Nissan LEAF in >> > December 2010. >> > >> > We'll send you an e-mail when it's time to work with a dealer to pick >> your >> > car's color, review options and get a quote. >> > >> > As you can imagine, the response for the Nissan LEAF has been >> tremendous. >> > The Nissan LEAF order period will be staggered by state, and the timing >> of >> > your reservation will hold your place. >> > >> > As a result, orders from states with an infrastructure to support >> electric >> > driving - either in place or planned - will be taken first. But no >> matter >> > where you live, you'll be among the first in your area to get a LEAF. >> > >> > For more information available to Nissan LEAF reservation holders, >> please >> > click here. >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100728/76cd3406/attachment.html From Wendy.Marshall at greshamoregon.gov Wed Jul 28 09:07:46 2010 From: Wendy.Marshall at greshamoregon.gov (Marshall, Wendy) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:07:46 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Letter I recieved today. In-Reply-To: <4C50269C.4070404@darkstarpro.com> References: <4C50269C.4070404@darkstarpro.com> Message-ID: <60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C346E1470EA@JUNGLE.gresham.gov> I get to wait till November. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Chris Arnesen [mailto:chris at darkstarpro.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:46 AM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Nissan Letter I recieved today. Put me down as receiving the same letter, except with it stating September 2010. Sincerely, Chris Arnesen On 7/27/2010 7:26 PM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: > I received this email today. > > Hi Gene, thanks for reserving your 100% electric Nissan LEAF(tm). We just > wanted to let you know you'll be able to order your new Nissan LEAF in > December 2010. > > We'll send you an e-mail when it's time to work with a dealer to pick your > car's color, review options and get a quote. > > As you can imagine, the response for the Nissan LEAF has been tremendous. > The Nissan LEAF order period will be staggered by state, and the timing of > your reservation will hold your place. > > As a result, orders from states with an infrastructure to support electric > driving - either in place or planned - will be taken first. But no matter > where you live, you'll be among the first in your area to get a LEAF. > > For more information available to Nissan LEAF reservation holders, please > click here. > From jrab at e-m-w.com Wed Jul 28 09:09:43 2010 From: jrab at e-m-w.com (John RA Benson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:09:43 +0200 Subject: [Oeva-list] leaf stuff Message-ID: <086EB2A6-95D2-439C-A259-08E4AAB83A00@e-m-w.com> Hey there - I don't want to sound like a grouchy old guy (i'm not!), but is it possible for someone tech-savvy to create a oeva sub-list dedicated to the leaf? At this stage, most of the conversation around it is really specific and not so much generally EV related. It's great that it's becoming a reality, but I can't be the only one on the oeva list not in the market and who doesn't care about it. cheers jrab From john.p.christian at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 09:13:55 2010 From: john.p.christian at gmail.com (John Christian) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:13:55 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] [seva] Cannon Beach and Wayland Invitational Trip Report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To JARB's point about too much Leaf news; here is a trip report from a SEVA member - good stuff..... Thanks, john On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Tom Saxton wrote: > This year's Wayland Invitational was the most fun I've had with the > Roadster > since it arrived. Not only was the event a blast, I really enjoyed the > drives down and back. > > On our web site, Cathy and I posted this report (with a few photos and > formatting) and a gallery > of > photos . > > Driving to Portland via Cannon Beach > > Cathy and I started with a charge-scouting drive to Cannon Beach, Oregon. > We > stopped for lunch at the Artic RV Park and Tavern along highway 101 in > Artic, Washington, a bit over halfway from Seattle to Cannon Beach. Cathy > called ahead to confirm that the tavern would be open for lunch and ask > about charging. When she explained that we wanted to plug in to charge our > electric car while eating, the owner, Roy, responded enthusiastically and > encouraged us to stop by. Forty minutes later, we pulled into the parking > lot and he was outside greeting us before we'd made it into a parking spot. > He led us to a NEMA 14-50 outlet and we had a nice chat while plugging in. > We asked what he charged for the hook-up and he said we'd already paid for > the electricity in information. > > In Cannon Beach, we stayed in a cabin at the Sea Ranch RV Park and charged > at one of the NEMA 14-50 RV hook ups. They were packed to overflowing and > so > charged us their normal rate for the spot, as otherwise they probably could > have rented it to an RV. Becky, the manager, was also incredibly interested > in EVs and stayed to chat with us even though she was already late for > getting home. (Note that you're expected to bring your own linens when > staying in a cabin. Becky solved our problem with that even before she > found > out we were there in a cool car.) > > We drove 207 miles that first day, mostly on tree-lined state highways with > very little traffic, a very pleasant drive in cool, overcast weather. We > spent an hour charging over lunch and another 45 minutes while unpacking > and > getting settled into the cabin. We got back from dinner at JP's and an > excellent play at Coaster Theatre to plug in for the night around 10 pm. > The > car was fully charged before 5 am the next morning. We never had to "wait" > for a charge, it just happened while we were doing something else. I don't > miss gas stations at all. > > Friday morning, we stopped by Cannon Beach City Hall to chat with Mark See, > the public works director. They are planning to include infrastructure for > EV charging in an upcoming public parking lot remodel, but don't have > specific plans for chargers yet. I'll follow up and try to help them avoid > the usual rookie mistakes. > > We took state highway 26 to Portland, another great road winding through > forest, this time in sunny weather. There was more traffic, but frequent > passing lanes so we could pass or be passed as needed. We were motivated to > preserve charge for the drag races that night, but there's a limit to how > restrained I can be when I have plenty of charge to reach the destination > and I'm driving behind a slow, ugly truck. Charging in range mode is great, > but I'm a fan of switching back into standard mode for driving. Even when > I'm driving for range/efficiency, I want access to the Roadster's > acceleration when I need to pass a slower vehicle going up hill. > > The Wayland Invitational > > There were a bunch of EV drag racing legends at the event trying out newly > revised vehicles. John Wayland and the White Zombie team had a new > Dow/Kokum > Lithium Ion battery pack, Father Time had a new dragster with 2 gigantic > motors (one for each rear wheel, wired in series), Mike Willmon was there > with Crazyhorse Pinto, Dave Cloud had his electric rail dragster. Some new > cars there included Jay Donnaway in his Karmann Electric and Stephen > Johnsen > in his electric Fiero. > > White Zombie fried their ailing dual 8-inch motors Friday, so the team > worked around the clock to get new dual 9-inch motors installed. They got > it > done and put in some test runs Saturday night. There were some issues that > prevented them from breaking their 1/4 mile record, but they blew away > their > 1/8 mile best with a high-six time. Their Zilla controller was shutting > down, but even coasting for the second half, they put in a > Roadster-roasting > 11.7 1/4 mile ET at 80-something mph. When they get the bugs worked out, > Zombie is going to set some records. John was giddy with the power of the > LiIon pack, estimating 0-60 time at around 2.4 seconds and gloating about > being able to drive home after three heavy track runs and no charging. > > Crazyhorse Pinto had some wild wheel-popping starts (some suspension > adjustments are needed to get rid of the bounce) and his times were > dropping > down but the track did a poor job of scheduling the EVs on Saturday, > limiting Mike (and the rest of us) to just a few runs each after they hit > the noise curfew at 10 pm and kicked nearly all of the gas-burners off of > the track. > > Jay and Stephen had a number of good runs, but I don't recall the times. > They both seemed pretty happy with getting their cars on the track. Father > Time had controller issues that kept him off the track despite several > nights with only 4 hours of sleep getting ready. We're all pulling for him > to get it on the track soon. > > Last year, Richard didn't take delivery of his Roadster until just after > the > Wayland Invitational, so we drove down together and took turns driving my > Roadster. This year, Richard was excited to drive his car and I was anxious > to see how my car performed compared to last year, being a year older and > having just passed the 10,000 mile mark on the drive down to Cannon Beach. > > On Friday, Richard and I did eight runs each, all very consistent, me in > the > 13.2's and Richard in the 13.1's. I started around 65% charge in > performance > mode that night, better than Friday night last year. I was practicing the > two-foot launch and trying to get decent reaction times. > > On Saturday, I was only able to get in four runs because of the track > scheduling issues, all were head-to-head against Richard. My first run was > a > 13.3, but on the second run I got a good launch (0.187 sec RT) and took the > lead. Hurtling down the track, Richard started to gain (and beat my 1/8 > mile > ET), but then I pulled ahead breaking into the 12's: 12.978 1/4 mile ET at > 103.40 mph, actually edging out Richard for the "win." After the launch, > there's isn't any great skill in keeping the Roadster in its lane and the > accelerator pedal on the floor, but it was still pretty exciting to go > neck-and-neck down the track at Roadster speeds. On the next run, Richard > restored things to their normal order, pulling a 12.968 1/4 ET at 103.27 > mph > compared to my 13.007/103.40. > > We were both quite pleased to break into the 12s, and I was especially > thrilled to beat my best time from last year (12.982 1/4 mile ET at 103.48 > mph) after a year and over 8,000 additional miles on the pack. To be fair, > last year I was driving with traction control on and was pretty clumsy with > the two-footed start, so I should have beat my time from last year by more > than 0.004 seconds if all else were equal. There are many factors that > affect performance (state of charge, battery pack temperature, tire > pressure > and tread, air temperature, humidity, track surface conditions, etc.), but > whatever I've lost in my battery pack's power capacity is within the range > of environmental conditions and variation in my limited driving skill. > > Car Shows and Parties > > It seems to me that just about everyone in the EV drag racing community is > in this to demonstrate that EVs can be fun, exciting cars. In fact, I read > about John Wayland and White Zombie before I'd even heard about Tesla > Motors. Knowing that John and the rest of the NEDRA community were building > electric super cars in their garages added credibility to Tesla's plans. If > it weren't for that, I'm not sure I would have had the nerve to put down a > deposit on a Roadster so early. > > The EV drag races are more about engaging the public in a dialog about > electric cars through showing the cars than about winning races. Beating > gas > burners and setting records just quantifies EV progress. > > In addition to the ad-hoc car shows at the track, we gathered for the "Show > and Shine" in the Village Inn parking lot Saturday morning. There was a > great turnout of vehicles from the drag racing community and the broader EV > community. > > The Waylands also host a gathering at their home, aka the EV Juice Bar, > where everyone collects to socialize, charge up, repair, upgrade, and > commiserate. All the big EV experts collect there: Otmar Ebenhoech, Mike > Willmon, Dave Cloud, Rich Rudman, Father Time, and others with experience > in > batteries, motors, controllers, and drag racing mechanics. It's amazing to > see what goes on in John's garage, driveway, and yard as this community > converges to share stories and expertise. My big contribution to the > community was taking Jay Donnaway for a ride in the Roadster so he could > buy > a fuse at Radio Shack. > > Back to Seattle via Burgerville > > Cathy took the train back to Seattle Saturday afternoon, so I did the drive > back solo. I stopped at the Centralia Burgerville, about halfway between > Seattle and Portland, to use the Tesla high-power connector they had > installed for Roadster charging. For the first half, I drove a steady 60 > mph > on cruise control, watching the outside temperature reading on the > touchscreen rise steadily from 75 to the mid 80's. I spent about 35 minutes > charging at Burgerville while I stretched my legs and enjoyed one of their > cold smoothies. When I headed back to the car to field any questions while > finishing the smoothie, a family of three had just pulled up. Mom was > pointing to the cable plugged into the charge port, explaining the car to > her son, "this is an electric car charging its batteries, we should all be > driving electric cars." Drag racing is fun, and has real public outreach > benefits, but moments like that are why we bought a Roadster. > > With the little bit of extra charging, I had more than enough charge to > finish the last 90 miles no matter how I drove. As the temperature climbed > into the 90's, even showing 107 degrees at one point in traffic, I jetted > the rest of the way home going 70 mph with the AC on full blast. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Visit the SEVA website at http://www.seattleeva.org > Our New Forums are at http://www.seattleeva.org/smf > If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to > list2008 at seattleeva.org with a subject of: unsubscribe seva > This message was built for john.p.christian=gmail.com > -- John P. Christian OEVA Chairman Please consider the environment before printing this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100728/17fb220a/attachment-0001.html From Theoldcars at aol.com Wed Jul 28 10:11:49 2010 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:11:49 EDT Subject: [Oeva-list] sub-list dedicated to the leaf Message-ID: <16d50.539ef5e9.3981bed5@aol.com> Hello John This has been a real issue with some of the other lists I am on. One of them is at times well over 50 posts a day mostly on the Leaf and a few on the Volt. I joined these list to follow the EVs they correspond to. Its not that I don't support these new OEMs but its getting hard to read though all the unrelated information. Many major changes in the EV world are happening and this is going to affect the list. From what I have seen in the past it is best to have separate list dedicated to just one EV. Even though it was serviced by an OEM there still is a lot of good information shared. Now these vehicles are off warranty the lists are a huge support group. Not quite sure how this is going to work out for the OEVA? Don In a message dated 7/28/2010 9:16:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes: Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:09:43 +0200 From: John RA Benson Subject: [Oeva-list] leaf stuff To: oregon electric Message-ID: <086EB2A6-95D2-439C-A259-08E4AAB83A00 at e-m-w.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey there - I don't want to sound like a grouchy old guy (i'm not!), but is it possible for someone tech-savvy to create a oeva sub-list dedicated to the leaf? At this stage, most of the conversation around it is really specific and not so much generally EV related. It's great that it's becoming a reality, but I can't be the only one on the oeva list not in the market and who doesn't care about it. cheers jrab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100728/16ab30bb/attachment.html From Theoldcars at aol.com Wed Jul 28 10:13:45 2010 From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:13:45 EDT Subject: [Oeva-list] list dedicated to the leaf Message-ID: <16fb6.b8c2e1e.3981bf49@aol.com> If anyone is interested Here is a list dedicated to the leaf Don Members of this list can join the Leaf list by sending this email: Leaf-subscribe @evprogress.org The subject and content is ignored. To remove yourself from the list send an email to: Leaf-unsubscribe at evprogress .org Cheers, Al Lococo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100728/b5b51728/attachment.html From evexpert at live.com Mon Jul 26 15:13:33 2010 From: evexpert at live.com (EV Expert) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:13:33 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] [seva] All Wayland Invitational photo albums (three, so far) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Rodger, Jay and Stephen, You can go directly to my photo provider since my site seems to be down until 9 PM for maintenance Hmmm, I'm thinking it might be time to consider another web host. Sorry for the inconvenience on that. Just got to www.showcasenwphoto.zenfolio.com and you will have to go to each album to see the events. Scroll down on the home page for the "Featured Galleries & Collections" Electric Breakfast & Show n Shine Wayland Electric Drag Racing Friday at the Wayland Invitational Electric Drag Racing Saturday at the Wayland Invitational 2010 Enjoy Everyone! Tims HeadshotEV Expert Tim Ritchey www.evexpert.blogspot.com evexpert at live.com www.showcasenwphoto.com From: jray3 at aol.com [mailto:jray3 at aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:24 PM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Cc: NEDRA at yahoogroups.com; seva at seattleeva.org; ev at listproc.sjsu.edu Subject: [seva] All Wayland Invitational photo albums (three, so far) by Carol, the track photographer http://picasaweb.google.com/PIRPhotogal/PIRWaylandInvitationalVElectricRacin gFridayJuly232010#5497416484993883506 By Tim Ritchey, Tacoma EVA Vice President http://showcasenwphoto.zenfolio.com/p355154171/e33005046#h6f32979 By Steve Lough, SEVA President http://picasaweb.google.com/stevenslough1206/WalandDrags2010#slideshow/54982 75722513808722 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100726/4e22d2f7/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I had been reading about the car for a few years now, was really thrilled at what Tesla has been doing, and now had a chance to sit in one. The first thing I noticed was how uncomfortable it was to get in and out of it. But when I closed the door, it sounded like a cheap tinny Toyota from the 60's! I couldn't believe it!!! I opened and closed it several times. Nothing against Toyota. I own one, and would buy another. I just wish Tesla would have put more effort into a practical car that people could afford. Maybe it's just me, but for $150g I want the door closing to sound a little more solid. Looking forward to see what the Leaf door sounds like. Bob Stewert On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:09 AM, John RA Benson wrote: > Hey there - > > I don't want to sound like a grouchy old guy (i'm not!), but is it possible for someone tech-savvy to create a oeva sub-list dedicated to the leaf? At this stage, most of the conversation around it is really specific and not so much generally EV related. It's great that it's becoming a reality, but I can't be the only one on the oeva list not in the market and who doesn't care about it. > > cheers > jrab > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From alan at batie.org Wed Jul 28 10:31:44 2010 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:31:44 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] The real EV pushback. In-Reply-To: <8CCFC72334FBF25-2054-3CD4@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCFB5EC4358780-72C-69EA@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> <4C4F0B88.6080501@batie.org> <8CCFC72334FBF25-2054-3CD4@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C506980.5000503@batie.org> On 7/28/10 6:44 AM, nscale7 at aol.com wrote: > alan at batie.org wrote: > *>Actually, they won't [sell Propane for cars,] as a general rule: > they're not allowed to unless they handle the vehicle fuel tax.* > > Huh. I was not aware that there was a vehicle fuel tax on CNG / LPG. The > U-haul place is listed on the U.S. Department of Energy???s Alternative > Fuel Data Center, (linked from OEVA???s Charging page,) so I just kind > of assumed you could pull up and buy alternative fuels there. So if I > had a CNG vehicle and a home filling station, how does that work tax > wise, do you know? If they're on that list, they probably *are* setup for it then. Despite our being a gas station, we couldn't do it (which was annoying because we got commission on propane sales ;-) ); I'm guessing the owner just didn't want to deal with the paperwork for the few times it would be needed. At home, you'd be responsible for paying the tax; it would be like a farmer who gets diesel for the tractors and uses it in road vehicles too. I think a weight-mile tax is the right way to pay for roads, but it *would* be a nuisance for drivers, and I definitely don't like the idea of gps trackers that Oregon's tinkering with... I would like a system where people can pay in periodically at will, and you settle up the balance every two years when you renew your car registration based on the odometer reading. But no one will like that because it makes it all too obvious how much it costs to maintain roads... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5249 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : /pipermail/attachments/20100728/70026aa5/attachment-0001.bin From patrick0101 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 10:48:28 2010 From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:48:28 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA now 501(c)(3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One clarification, this status is retroactive to June 25th *2009.* *** *Regards, Pat Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:11 PM, wrote: > Fellow OEVA members, > > I am happy to announce that the OEVA is now has 501(c)(3) tax status! We > started this pursuit in 2009 and it has been a long maze of government > paperwork to make it to this goal. Special thanks goes to our Treasurer > Ray Blackburn for all of his hard work to make this day happen. > > While we cannot offer any tax advise, you should know that your donations > now may be tax deductible. This status is retroactive to June > 25th. Contributions to are deductible under section 170 of the tax code. The > OEVA is also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devises, > transfers, or gifts under section 2055, 2106 or 2522. Check with your > tax advisor for your applicability. > > Regards, > Pat > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100728/faf337a6/attachment.html From matwete at comcast.net Wed Jul 28 11:22:01 2010 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:22:01 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. In-Reply-To: References: <205846.44079.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C4F755E.3000508@batie.org> <701780c34ed960d6d7b2f9f97156fc25.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> Message-ID: <009001cb2e81$c64f8470$52ee8d50$@net> Uh, okay, I'll bite: Where is the map information for these 3 Portland trips? The spreadsheet "data" doesn't even list GPS coordinates or anything. So I see 3 trips for Portland listed, but I haven't a clue which routes these covered. I have to drive my Milburn 8.5 miles later in August from Woodstock in SE, down into Sellwood, across the Sellwood bridge, up Hwy43 and over the hill into Lake Oswego to George Rogers Park, then later, back. I'm VERY interested to know what the elevation gain is on this route and where. A local topo might help. Overall, I'm not so much concerned about the energy required though---mostly I'm concerned about how slow I'll be going and how busy and fast Hwy43 can get thru the twisty sections. So I guess the energy issue is somewhat moot. -Myles -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of garry painter Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:05 AM To: gfifield at onlinenw.com Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org; Alan Batie Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. If you have a GPS, or could borrow one, you can upload the data from that trip to chargecar.org. They will tell you how much energy the trip will consume. Just go to their homepage: http://chargecar.org/home Then click on the "SHARE" link. Once that is done, you click on the "DATA" link. You will see a map of the US. Click on the "push pin" in Oregon. Then select your trip data. As an example, you can check my trip stats to work one day: http://chargecar.org/data/333 Click on the "If I had an electric car..." link. There it tells you that my 10.13 mile trip to work would have consumed 2.32 kwh. If I had an electric car of course. Garry ps. and they have graphs! I always wished John Wayland would carry a gps on his little trips around PIR and upload his data. The website's purpose is to gather data for "commutes to and from work". It would be fun to see the reaction of the people running the study. "What the hell does that guy do for a living? Drag racing?" :) On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:22 PM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: > I was thinking that Google maps or Google Earth should be able to > be used > to calculate the amount of elevation gain and drop, factor in the > efficiency of regenerative braking down hill and come up with a decent > estimate for your trip. In fact this should be something that already > exists for ICE. > > Of course your model of car, your driving style, the amount of extra > weight your are carrying and the condition of the road and tires, > might > all be inputs to this calculation. > > Gene > >> I was thinking it would be entertaining to see if the Leaf could >> make it >> over the Cascades from Portland, but it's 134 miles from Corvallis to >> Bend (where I have a nephew). If I could charge in Sweet Home (30ish >> miles from Corvallis), which is basically the last town before >> Sisters, >> and if that was enough to make it over the pass... I might not need >> much of a charge by the time I got back down the other side ;-) >> (well, >> except for conversion losses and the fact that the high desert is >> a lot >> higher than the valley --- now on the way back...). >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From john.p.christian at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 11:37:45 2010 From: john.p.christian at gmail.com (John Christian) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:37:45 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA now 501(c)(3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OEVA members, This represents a huge effort on the part of Ray Blackburn. As you can see this has taken a long time and required Ray to fill out various forms, answer many questions, and make several trips to different federal offices. Ray - fantastic job man. Thank you sir. john On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:11 PM, wrote: > Fellow OEVA members, > > I am happy to announce that the OEVA is now has 501(c)(3) tax status! We > started this pursuit in 2009 and it has been a long maze of government > paperwork to make it to this goal. Special thanks goes to our Treasurer > Ray Blackburn for all of his hard work to make this day happen. > > While we cannot offer any tax advise, you should know that your donations > now may be tax deductible. This status is retroactive to June > 25th. Contributions to are deductible under section 170 of the tax code. The > OEVA is also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devises, > transfers, or gifts under section 2055, 2106 or 2522. Check with your > tax advisor for your applicability. > > Regards, > Pat > Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > -- John P. Christian OEVA Chairman Please consider the environment before printing this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100728/2b846d21/attachment.html From chris at darkstarpro.com Wed Jul 28 11:38:52 2010 From: chris at darkstarpro.com (chris at darkstarpro.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:38:52 -0400 Subject: [Oeva-list] leaf stuff Message-ID: <380-220107328183852336@M2W130.mail2web.com> To your point, if the mailing list shouldn't be used to discuss electric vehicle happenings in the industry, what should it be used for? The mailing list usually has all kinds of specific discussions and I would hate to see 10 different OEVA mailing lists created that I would have to keep track of to post topics of interest. Isn't that what the subject line is for? As time progresses, you'll see more discussion on the Chevy Volt, Mitsubishi iMEV, Smart EV, and anything else coming down the pipeline. I don't think it would make sense to create new lists for them and then another list for charging stations, and another list for events, and another for meeting info. Even with all the Nissan Leaf discussion, this is still the quietest mailing list I'm on and I was very surprised about your message. Sincerely, Chris Arnesen Original Message: ----------------- From: John RA Benson jrab at e-m-w.com Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:09:43 +0200 To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] leaf stuff Hey there - I don't want to sound like a grouchy old guy (i'm not!), but is it possible for someone tech-savvy to create a oeva sub-list dedicated to the leaf? At this stage, most of the conversation around it is really specific and not so much generally EV related. It's great that it's becoming a reality, but I can't be the only one on the oeva list not in the market and who doesn't care about it. cheers jrab -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From john.p.christian at intel.com Wed Jul 28 11:51:07 2010 From: john.p.christian at intel.com (Christian, John P) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:51:07 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] leaf stuff In-Reply-To: <380-220107328183852336@M2W130.mail2web.com> References: <380-220107328183852336@M2W130.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <7C88852EF6F99F4EB538472FCFEBE2220136A56930@orsmsx509.amr.corp.intel.com> Greetings EV fans, On balance today I have seen messages about charging infrastructure, Nissan Leaf, Wayland Invitational, and the John Day EV convoy - and I am sure I missed a topic or two. Right now the Leaf and the Volt are big news items that directly impact many folks on this list. Also, it's pretty cool to observe and be a part of this portion of the EV evolution. Plus, since we have no guarantees that full commercialization of passenger EVs will be successful, it is even more important for us to be sharing the news and staying current. At this point I applaud the diverse EV discussions presented here and I especially appreciate the information that Al shared about Leaf specific lists. Thanks all, John P. Christian ? OEVA Chair +1(503)?704-2155 -Mobile ? please consider the environment? -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of chris at darkstarpro.com Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:39 AM To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] leaf stuff To your point, if the mailing list shouldn't be used to discuss electric vehicle happenings in the industry, what should it be used for? The mailing list usually has all kinds of specific discussions and I would hate to see 10 different OEVA mailing lists created that I would have to keep track of to post topics of interest. Isn't that what the subject line is for? As time progresses, you'll see more discussion on the Chevy Volt, Mitsubishi iMEV, Smart EV, and anything else coming down the pipeline. I don't think it would make sense to create new lists for them and then another list for charging stations, and another list for events, and another for meeting info. Even with all the Nissan Leaf discussion, this is still the quietest mailing list I'm on and I was very surprised about your message. Sincerely, Chris Arnesen Original Message: ----------------- From: John RA Benson jrab at e-m-w.com Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:09:43 +0200 To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] leaf stuff Hey there - I don't want to sound like a grouchy old guy (i'm not!), but is it possible for someone tech-savvy to create a oeva sub-list dedicated to the leaf? At this stage, most of the conversation around it is really specific and not so much generally EV related. It's great that it's becoming a reality, but I can't be the only one on the oeva list not in the market and who doesn't care about it. cheers jrab -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From john.p.christian at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 12:02:27 2010 From: john.p.christian at gmail.com (John Christian) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:02:27 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: [seva] Things For Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just thought that someone in the group might be interested in these for sale items. john ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Steven Lough Date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:58 AM Subject: [seva] Things For Sale To: seva at seattleeva.org Posted Earlier, but some have been sold. This is an Up-Date --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you Steven. I have sold some parts already and if you can update the listing as shown below. Also, I have posted it with the EV Trading Post. - Anthony I have the following parts For Sale. Buyer responsible for all shipping costs. You can purchase these parts individually for the following prices: AC90 - New - Azure Dynamic AC Induction Motor - $3800 DMOC 645 - New - Azure Dynamic Inverter for AC90 motor - $3500 Wiring Interface kit - New - $1000 Electrocraft DCDC Converter (320 Volt) - New - $400 Misc wire braid, insulation, terminals and wiring - New - $200 AC55 - Used - Azure Dynamic AC Induction Motor - $500 Denso AC compressor for Toyota Prius - Rebuilt - $250 All parts are located in Milwaukie, OR 97222 (outside Portland, OR) My e-mail is kaiseraw at theaxiscenter.com or Call 503-786-8945 Pictures of all parts are available upon request. ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Steven S. Lough, Pres. Seattle EV Association 6021 32nd Ave. N.E. Seattle, WA 98115-7230 Day: 206 524 1351 Cell: 206 850 8535 e-mail: stevenslough at comcast.net web: http://www.seattleeva.org ----------------------------------------------------------- Visit the SEVA website at http://www.seattleeva.org Our New Forums are at http://www.seattleeva.org/smf If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to list2008 at seattleeva.org with a subject of: unsubscribe seva This message was built for john.p.christian=gmail.com -- John P. Christian OEVA Chairman Please consider the environment before printing this message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100728/0eb32559/attachment.html From stevel at fern.com Wed Jul 28 13:42:36 2010 From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] The real EV pushback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan Batie writes: > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] The real EV pushback. > > On 7/28/10 6:44 AM, nscale7 at aol.com wrote: >> alan at batie.org wrote: [snip] > > At home, you'd be responsible for paying the tax; it would be like a > farmer who gets diesel for the tractors and uses it in road vehicles too. > > I think a weight-mile tax is the right way to pay for roads, but it > *would* be a nuisance for drivers, and I definitely don't like the idea > of gps trackers that Oregon's tinkering with... I would like a system > where people can pay in periodically at will, and you settle up the > balance every two years when you renew your car registration based on > the odometer reading. But no one will like that because it makes it all > too obvious how much it costs to maintain roads... > Well.. I know how they did it in Texas. At one point, it was just a "cents per gallon" tax, collected by the dealer. Then they shifted to a "sticker" tax where dealers were allowed to fuel any vehicle with a valid sticker. The sticker was sold based on GVWR of the vehicle. Unfortunately, this was the demise of my use of a propane fueled vehicle... The tax, if paid by the mile, would be the equivalent of driving 110,000 miles a year! due to the fact that the first step in the tiered plan was quite high, and my car, quite light. Steve From garry at europa.com Wed Jul 28 19:43:19 2010 From: garry at europa.com (garry painter) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:43:19 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. In-Reply-To: <009001cb2e81$c64f8470$52ee8d50$@net> References: <205846.44079.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C4F755E.3000508@batie.org> <701780c34ed960d6d7b2f9f97156fc25.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> <009001cb2e81$c64f8470$52ee8d50$@net> Message-ID: Um.... Actual locations are kept hidden such that people don't follow me home, nor allow the powers that be to determine where I've broken the speed limit by a factor of 3. Elevation, speed, and time are all that are required to determine energy usage. Along with the vehicle parameters of course.(weight, CdA, etc, etc) If you want to know what the energy and power requirements are for your trip, I would recommend borrowing John's car, borrow my gps, make the trip at a pace comfortable for you, and plug in the data. chargecar is a University project, so it will be educational for all. On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Myles Twete wrote: > Uh, okay, I'll bite: Where is the map information for these 3 Portland > trips? The spreadsheet "data" doesn't even list GPS coordinates or > anything. So I see 3 trips for Portland listed, but I haven't a > clue which > routes these covered. > I have to drive my Milburn 8.5 miles later in August from Woodstock > in SE, > down into Sellwood, across the Sellwood bridge, up Hwy43 and over > the hill > into Lake Oswego to George Rogers Park, then later, back. I'm VERY > interested to know what the elevation gain is on this route and > where. A > local topo might help. Overall, I'm not so much concerned about > the energy > required though---mostly I'm concerned about how slow I'll be going > and how > busy and fast Hwy43 can get thru the twisty sections. So I guess > the energy > issue is somewhat moot. > > -Myles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list- > bounces at oeva.org] On > Behalf Of garry painter > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:05 AM > To: gfifield at onlinenw.com > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org; Alan Batie > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. > > If you have a GPS, or could borrow one, you can upload the data from > that trip to chargecar.org. > They will tell you how much energy the trip will consume. > > Just go to their homepage: http://chargecar.org/home > Then click on the "SHARE" link. > Once that is done, you click on the "DATA" link. > You will see a map of the US. > Click on the "push pin" in Oregon. > Then select your trip data. > > As an example, you can check my trip stats to work one day: > http://chargecar.org/data/333 > > Click on the "If I had an electric car..." link. > > There it tells you that my 10.13 mile trip to work would have > consumed 2.32 kwh. > If I had an electric car of course. > > Garry > > ps. and they have graphs! > I always wished John Wayland would carry a gps on his little trips > around PIR and upload his data. > The website's purpose is to gather data for "commutes to and from > work". > It would be fun to see the reaction of the people running the study. > "What the hell does that guy do for a living? Drag racing?" > :) > > > On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:22 PM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: > >> I was thinking that Google maps or Google Earth should be able to >> be used >> to calculate the amount of elevation gain and drop, factor in the >> efficiency of regenerative braking down hill and come up with a >> decent >> estimate for your trip. In fact this should be something that >> already >> exists for ICE. >> >> Of course your model of car, your driving style, the amount of extra >> weight your are carrying and the condition of the road and tires, >> might >> all be inputs to this calculation. >> >> Gene >> >>> I was thinking it would be entertaining to see if the Leaf could >>> make it >>> over the Cascades from Portland, but it's 134 miles from >>> Corvallis to >>> Bend (where I have a nephew). If I could charge in Sweet Home >>> (30ish >>> miles from Corvallis), which is basically the last town before >>> Sisters, >>> and if that was enough to make it over the pass... I might not need >>> much of a charge by the time I got back down the other side ;-) >>> (well, >>> except for conversion losses and the fact that the high desert is >>> a lot >>> higher than the valley --- now on the way back...). >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Oeva-list mailing list >>> Oeva-list at oeva.org >>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From gfifield at onlinenw.com Wed Jul 28 22:19:11 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Electronic Design podcast In-Reply-To: References: <205846.44079.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C4F755E.3000508@batie.org> <701780c34ed960d6d7b2f9f97156fc25.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> <009001cb2e81$c64f8470$52ee8d50$@net> Message-ID: <1d3527afa75e8ef713cf67189e0f5e8b.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> http://electronicdesign.com/article/podcast_design_challenges_for_electric_vehicles.aspx?nl=1 From matwete at comcast.net Thu Jul 29 10:01:29 2010 From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:01:29 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. In-Reply-To: References: <205846.44079.qm@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4C4F755E.3000508@batie.org> <701780c34ed960d6d7b2f9f97156fc25.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> <009001cb2e81$c64f8470$52ee8d50$@net> Message-ID: <009701cb2f3f$b120c0f0$136242d0$@net> So I guess that website reference is a complete waste to me---I mean, why refer to GPS readings and display a US map at all if when you select a locality all you get is trip data with no GPS data or correlation at all as to the roads the trip covered? They may as well lump all those local reports together into one worldwide bucket---Portland Maine or Portland Oregon---machs nix. As to the suggestion of borrowing a car with GPS and doing the route, I guess I'd rather accept the offer to have it towed for free by Speed's Towing---both are wasteful. I'll do it the old fashioned way---charge the batteries, get on the road and drive, then see what happens. Thanks. -Myles -----Original Message----- From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On Behalf Of garry painter Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:43 PM To: Myles Twete Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. Um.... Actual locations are kept hidden such that people don't follow me home, nor allow the powers that be to determine where I've broken the speed limit by a factor of 3. Elevation, speed, and time are all that are required to determine energy usage. Along with the vehicle parameters of course.(weight, CdA, etc, etc) If you want to know what the energy and power requirements are for your trip, I would recommend borrowing John's car, borrow my gps, make the trip at a pace comfortable for you, and plug in the data. chargecar is a University project, so it will be educational for all. On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Myles Twete wrote: > Uh, okay, I'll bite: Where is the map information for these 3 Portland > trips? The spreadsheet "data" doesn't even list GPS coordinates or > anything. So I see 3 trips for Portland listed, but I haven't a > clue which > routes these covered. > I have to drive my Milburn 8.5 miles later in August from Woodstock > in SE, > down into Sellwood, across the Sellwood bridge, up Hwy43 and over > the hill > into Lake Oswego to George Rogers Park, then later, back. I'm VERY > interested to know what the elevation gain is on this route and > where. A > local topo might help. Overall, I'm not so much concerned about > the energy > required though---mostly I'm concerned about how slow I'll be going > and how > busy and fast Hwy43 can get thru the twisty sections. So I guess > the energy > issue is somewhat moot. > > -Myles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list- > bounces at oeva.org] On > Behalf Of garry painter > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:05 AM > To: gfifield at onlinenw.com > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org; Alan Batie > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] John Day EV convoy. > > If you have a GPS, or could borrow one, you can upload the data from > that trip to chargecar.org. > They will tell you how much energy the trip will consume. > > Just go to their homepage: http://chargecar.org/home > Then click on the "SHARE" link. > Once that is done, you click on the "DATA" link. > You will see a map of the US. > Click on the "push pin" in Oregon. > Then select your trip data. > > As an example, you can check my trip stats to work one day: > http://chargecar.org/data/333 > > Click on the "If I had an electric car..." link. > > There it tells you that my 10.13 mile trip to work would have > consumed 2.32 kwh. > If I had an electric car of course. > > Garry > > ps. and they have graphs! > I always wished John Wayland would carry a gps on his little trips > around PIR and upload his data. > The website's purpose is to gather data for "commutes to and from > work". > It would be fun to see the reaction of the people running the study. > "What the hell does that guy do for a living? Drag racing?" > :) > > > On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:22 PM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote: > >> I was thinking that Google maps or Google Earth should be able to >> be used >> to calculate the amount of elevation gain and drop, factor in the >> efficiency of regenerative braking down hill and come up with a >> decent >> estimate for your trip. In fact this should be something that >> already >> exists for ICE. >> >> Of course your model of car, your driving style, the amount of extra >> weight your are carrying and the condition of the road and tires, >> might >> all be inputs to this calculation. >> >> Gene >> >>> I was thinking it would be entertaining to see if the Leaf could >>> make it >>> over the Cascades from Portland, but it's 134 miles from >>> Corvallis to >>> Bend (where I have a nephew). If I could charge in Sweet Home >>> (30ish >>> miles from Corvallis), which is basically the last town before >>> Sisters, >>> and if that was enough to make it over the pass... I might not need >>> much of a charge by the time I got back down the other side ;-) >>> (well, >>> except for conversion losses and the fact that the high desert is >>> a lot >>> higher than the valley --- now on the way back...). >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Oeva-list mailing list >>> Oeva-list at oeva.org >>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Oeva-list mailing list >> Oeva-list at oeva.org >> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list From Rick.Durst at pgn.com Thu Jul 29 10:59:19 2010 From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:59:19 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: OMSI Media Event Reminder- Solar Canopy Debuts Friday Message-ID: FYI -----Original Message----- From: info at flashalert.net [mailto:info at flashalert.net] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:34 AM To: Rick Durst Subject: OMSI Media Event Reminder- Solar Canopy Debuts Friday News Release from: OMSI OMSI MEDIA EVENT REMINDER- SOLAR CANOPY DEBUTS FRIDAY Posted: July 29th, 2010 9:31 AM Photo/sound file: http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-07/865/37116/scene_4.jpg MEDIA EVENT REMINDER New Renewable Energy Source To Debut At OMSI Friday 7/30 WHAT: OMSI to debut solar canopy electric vehicle charging station WHERE: OMSI's south parking lot located at 1945 SE Water Ave. WHEN: Friday, July 30 at 12:30 p.m. WHO: Speakers- * OMSI: Steve Cox - chair, OMSI Board of Trustees * Multnomah County: Jeff Cogen - chair * Oregon Governor's Office: Tim McCabe -director * PGE: Carol Dillin - vice president, customers and economic development * Sanyo: Mitsuru Homma - executive vice president BACKGROUND: Through a collaborative effort from the SANYO North America Corporation (SANYO), InSpec Group (InSpec), and Portland General Electric (PGE), the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (OMSI) will present a solar canopy charging station to service electric cars, e-bikes, and most portable personal electronic devices. This marks the first solar canopy installation to be used to charge electric vehicles in North America aiming to provide a solution for the increasing use of alternative transportation. PHOTO OPS: An electric car and bike will be on hand to demonstrate the canopy's charging capabilities. Replies to this message do not go back to the sender. Go to http://FlashAlert.net/login.html to change or delete these messages. From chris at darkstarpro.com Thu Jul 29 11:11:36 2010 From: chris at darkstarpro.com (chris at darkstarpro.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:11:36 -0400 Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: OMSI Media Event Reminder- Solar Canopy DebutsFriday Message-ID: <380-220107429181136438@M2W132.mail2web.com> I'm surprised that we didn't hear about this sooner! I can't drop by tomorrow afternoon, but I'll try to make some time this weekend to go get some photos. Thanks for the heads-up! Sincerely, Chris Arnesen Original Message: ----------------- From: Rick Durst Rick.Durst at pgn.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:59:19 -0700 To: oeva-list at oeva.org Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: OMSI Media Event Reminder- Solar Canopy DebutsFriday FYI -----Original Message----- From: info at flashalert.net [mailto:info at flashalert.net] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:34 AM To: Rick Durst Subject: OMSI Media Event Reminder- Solar Canopy Debuts Friday News Release from: OMSI OMSI MEDIA EVENT REMINDER- SOLAR CANOPY DEBUTS FRIDAY Posted: July 29th, 2010 9:31 AM Photo/sound file: http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2010-07/865/37116/scene_4.jpg MEDIA EVENT REMINDER New Renewable Energy Source To Debut At OMSI Friday 7/30 WHAT: OMSI to debut solar canopy electric vehicle charging station WHERE: OMSI's south parking lot located at 1945 SE Water Ave. WHEN: Friday, July 30 at 12:30 p.m. WHO: Speakers- * OMSI: Steve Cox - chair, OMSI Board of Trustees * Multnomah County: Jeff Cogen - chair * Oregon Governor's Office: Tim McCabe -director * PGE: Carol Dillin - vice president, customers and economic development * Sanyo: Mitsuru Homma - executive vice president BACKGROUND: Through a collaborative effort from the SANYO North America Corporation (SANYO), InSpec Group (InSpec), and Portland General Electric (PGE), the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (OMSI) will present a solar canopy charging station to service electric cars, e-bikes, and most portable personal electronic devices. This marks the first solar canopy installation to be used to charge electric vehicles in North America aiming to provide a solution for the increasing use of alternative transportation. PHOTO OPS: An electric car and bike will be on hand to demonstrate the canopy's charging capabilities. Replies to this message do not go back to the sender. Go to http://FlashAlert.net/login.html to change or delete these messages. _______________________________________________ Oeva-list mailing list Oeva-list at oeva.org http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From jrab at e-m-w.com Thu Jul 29 14:51:31 2010 From: jrab at e-m-w.com (John RA Benson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:51:31 +0200 Subject: [Oeva-list] new Porsche plug-in hybrid Message-ID: <06265C46-4527-4E4F-9430-404B85DAE3C0@e-m-w.com> As soon as I win the lottery, I'll trade in my 914 for this one. And only drive it in electric mode. http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/28/porsche-918-spyder-plug-in-hybrid-headed-for-production/ jrab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100729/cc6b597c/attachment.html From salzmande at comcast.net Thu Jul 29 19:17:57 2010 From: salzmande at comcast.net (Dave Salzman) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:17:57 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Lease or buy Message-ID: You folks may already be aware of this but just in case some haven't heard. I just returned from talking to the Leaf "expert" at Royal Moore Nissan by the name of David Von Tersch and was told that the tax rebates will not be available to those who want to lease the Leaf. The reason he gave is because you won't own the car. I was trying to make up my mind which way to go and I think he just made it up for me. :-) Stay well, Dave From Dick-Burnham at hoffmancorp.com Thu Jul 29 20:43:25 2010 From: Dick-Burnham at hoffmancorp.com (Dick Burnham) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:43:25 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Porsche 918 Spyder Concept Promotional Video Message-ID: <6A18DEF5-399D-4022-949A-E04091F7FF04@Hoffmancorp.com> This is interesting. It has some footage of the first Porsche EV as well as the 918 concept and really is an impressive video. For anyone interested I would be willing to part with my all electric Porsche 918-4 for half the price Porsche is asking for the Hybrid 918 and you don't have to deal with the smelly ICE (some assembly still required on the 914). I have to admit that the 914 isn't quite as sexy as the 918 even if is all electric. Dick Check out this video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ysj81EjAo&feature=youtube_gdata Typed with my thumbs on my iPhone --Disclaimer--Hoffman--Corporation-- This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Although steps have been taken to check for viruses, the recipient(s) should also check to ensure messages are virus free. From gfifield at onlinenw.com Thu Jul 29 22:12:04 2010 From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Oeva-list] Porsche 918 Spyder Concept Promotional Video In-Reply-To: <6A18DEF5-399D-4022-949A-E04091F7FF04@Hoffmancorp.com> References: <6A18DEF5-399D-4022-949A-E04091F7FF04@Hoffmancorp.com> Message-ID: <57c499403bdf6415813b9f760411ee5e.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com> the longer video talks about Electric Flywheel Accumulator. about 5:00 minutes into the recording. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_KemHBQ88c&NR=1 > This is interesting. It has some footage of the first Porsche EV as > well as the 918 concept and really is an impressive video. > > For anyone interested I would be willing to part with my all electric > Porsche 918-4 for half the price Porsche is asking for the Hybrid 918 > and you don't have to deal with the smelly ICE (some assembly still > required on the 914). > > I have to admit that the 914 isn't quite as sexy as the 918 even if is > all electric. > > Dick > > Check out this video on YouTube: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ysj81EjAo&feature=youtube_gdata > > > Typed with my thumbs on my iPhone > > --Disclaimer--Hoffman--Corporation-- > > This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of > the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential, and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution, or copying > of this communication is strictly prohibited. Although steps have been > taken to check for viruses, the recipient(s) should also check to ensure > messages are virus free. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > From salzmande at comcast.net Fri Jul 30 11:09:08 2010 From: salzmande at comcast.net (Dave Salzman) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:09:08 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Lease or buy References: Message-ID: Thanks for the link. He did mention that the residuals could be as high as 50% depending on milage and condition. There is also a $150 termination fee at the end of the lease. Having never leased I don't if this is a normal thing or not. His phone number is 503-640-5660 if you want to discuss it with him. stay well, Dave Begin forwarded message: > From: Chris Hufnagel > Date: July 30, 2010 10:52:14 AM PDT > To: Dave Salzman > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Lease or buy > > The tax rebate and lease vs. buying debate has been discussed > intensely on the mynissanleaf.com forums. > > The biggest issue seems to be what the residual on the car will be > after 36 payments. > The residual has not been disclosed by Nissan as far as I can tell. > Did Mr. Von Tersch discuss residuals? > > Thanks for any info. > > Chris > > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Dave Salzman > wrote: > You folks may already be aware of this but just in case some haven't > heard. I just returned from talking to the Leaf "expert" at Royal > Moore Nissan by the name of David Von Tersch and was told that the tax > rebates will not be available to those who want to lease the Leaf. The > reason he gave is because you won't own the car. I was trying to make > up my mind which way to go and I think he just made it up for me. :-) > > Stay well, > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Oeva-list mailing list > Oeva-list at oeva.org > http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not without some drama - the first couple runs last night gave us a taste of the speed to come, but also melted some wiring that had to be replaced while charging in the pit. But after those fixes, everything came together. The 2nd and "proving" record run was a 10.400 flat against a very capable Nissan Skyline GT-R that had about a jillion horsepower rumbling under the hood. An incredible car and the driver was a top guy - easily the best at the track last night - but no match for the Zombie! It was like watching a little kid beat up his big brother. anyone still think electric cars are slow? Let's see George Bush still call them "golf carts" after seeing what this little white one can do! ha! someone from the SEVA list posted a nice youtube link to the first rocket run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCx-LYV6KkM enjoy From jbillsnews at flickfx.com Sat Jul 31 11:44:37 2010 From: jbillsnews at flickfx.com (J Bills) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:44:37 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] record setting runs by the white zombie last night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ah - and the other run from the same view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVTIpS5zb4 On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:41 AM, J Bills wrote: > Hey list - haven't seen any posts so I thought I'd tell you it was a > big night out at PIR last night for John Wayland & the White Zombie > team. ?Armed with that new Siamese 9 motor and the outrageous 355v > pack of Dow/Kokam military grade lithium power in the trunk, they have > managed to officially crack the sub-11 1/4 mile times in a big way - > with 2 runs of 10.4! > > Not without some drama - the first couple runs last night gave us a > taste of the speed to come, but also melted some wiring that had to be > replaced while charging in the pit. > > But after those fixes, everything came together. ?The 2nd and > "proving" record run was a 10.400 flat against a very capable Nissan > Skyline GT-R that had about a jillion horsepower rumbling under the > hood. ?An incredible car and the driver was a top guy - easily the > best at the track last night - but no match for the Zombie! ?It was > like watching a little kid beat up his big brother. > > anyone still think electric cars are slow? ?Let's see George Bush > still call them "golf carts" after seeing what this little white one > can do! ?ha! > > someone from the SEVA list posted a nice youtube link to the first rocket run. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCx-LYV6KkM > enjoy > From paburkey at juno.com Sat Jul 31 12:46:26 2010 From: paburkey at juno.com (paburkey at juno.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:46:26 -0700 Subject: [Oeva-list] Upcoming Events in August Message-ID: <20100731.124649.979.201402@mailpop08.dca.untd.com> Hi All, I have updated the calender for the August events, and they below: I looking for participation and people to bring their vehicles. Thank you, Paul Burkey OEVA Ongoing Events Chair August 2: We're launching the Solarize Salem program on Monday, August 2 at noon on the State Capitol steps. Our selected contractors are SolarCity and RS Energy. Local leaders will be presenting and attending. We would like to invite electric vehicle owners. Would any of your members be willing to participate? Please reply if you are interested in the event. Thanks! Ross Swartzendruber Coordinator 503-551-2818 August 12-13-14: Green Show at Oaks Amusement Park in Portland. www.wampromotions.com August 22: Lake Oswego EV Expo We have ShorePower, Ecotality (EV Project), Portland State, Ryno Motors, Greenlite Motors, Kalkhoff E Bikes, and possibly more. August 27th - September 6th: Oregon State Fair in Salem Looking for the latest and greatest electric vehicles! ____________________________________________________________ SECRET: Macbook for 23.86! 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