From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  1 12:45:03 2010
From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:45:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Fw: 6-Day Hands-On EV Conversion Workshop
Message-ID: <881110.61673.qm@web110502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

 Looks like there's going to be an EV conversion workshop down in the Bay Area at the end of April.

Cheers,
Tim


----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Electro Automotive <electro at cruzio.com>
To: nowev at sbcglobal.net
Cc: lakeport104 at yahoo.com; bill2k2000 at yahoo.com; MJA at lieaa.org; pagepaterson at mac.com; cliffordm2458 at yahoo.com; EV at schoollink.net; jmartin at hotsheet.com; teaa at rtpnet.org; tim_kutscha at yahoo.com; easternev at aol.com; jbelak at paelectrics.com; rswhorton at gmail.com; LeslieAnn at LeslieGrossman.com; acranjel at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 12:31:46 PM
Subject: 6-Day Hands-On EV Conversion Workshop


Press Release - Please Post

6-Day Hands-On EV Conversion Workshop
>From Donor to Runner in 6 DaysDonor Cars Needed

Learn from the people who know it best. Electro Automotive has been in
the electric vehicle conversion business longer than anyone - since 1979
- providing conversion kits, components, training, books, and videos
about electric car conversions. We wrote the book on electric car
conversions - literally. Our book "Convert It" has been the
"bible" of electric car conversions for many years, and still
is today. Brands and models of components and batteries may change, but
the principles of a good conversion are fundamental. 

Due to the popularity of our recent workshop in the Puget Sound area,
Electro Automotive will be offering the same workshop in the San
Francisco Bay Area April 26 - May 1, 2010. There will be no more than 9
students per vehicle to insure that everyone gets to participate. Please
pre-register to reserve your space. 

This workshop will guide students through the complete process of
converting a vehicle to electric power. Classroom sessions will be
combined with hands-on shop sessions. By the end of the workshop, the
group will have completed two running electric car conversions capable of
highway speeds and 60-80 miles range. 

Students will learn the principles behind good component layout, battery
rack and box design and construction, and wiring, with hands-on
experience installing the components. They will also learn how to apply
these principles to different types of vehicles, and learn about the
differences between AC and DC drive systems, and different types of
batteries. Each student will receive a copy of the book "Convert
It". 

Topics Include: 
	* Expected performance 
	* Choosing a suitable chassis 
	* Components & their functions 
	* Overall layout 
	* Designing & fabricating 
	* support structures 
	* Wiring 
	* Testing & troubleshooting 
	* Driving & Maintenance   Presenters: 
Mike Brown & Shari Prange of 
Electro Automotive Date: 
April 26 - May 1, 2010 Place: 
San Francisco Bay Area Cost: 
$1,250 More Info: 
shari at electroauto.com or 831-429-1989 To Register: 
shari at electroauto.com   

Space is limited. Advance registration is required. To register, mail
your check to Electro Automotive, P. O. Box 1113, Felton, CA 95018-1113. 




Donor Cars NeededProvide one of the
donor cars for the 6-Day Hands-On
Workshop and drive it away as a finished conversion at the end of the
week. You buy the kit and the batteries, and get the installation for
free - an $8,000 value. 

Donor cars MUST (NO EXCEPTIONS): 
	* Be an '81-'84 VW Rabbit Sedan or Convertible, or '85-'93 VW Cabriolet 
	* Have a manual transmission (4-speed or 5-speed) in good working
condition 
	* Be gas or diesel, doesn't matter 
	* Have air conditioning removed (if present) before workshop 
	* Have a structurally sound body with no history of collision more than
surface dings 
	* Be mechanically and electrically sound before workshop begins 
	* Brakes 
	* Axles/CV joints & boots 
	* Wheel bearings 
	* Steering 
	* Tires 
	* 12V wiring - lights, horn, etc. 
	* Be intact & have been driveable until very recently If you have a car you would like to offer as a donor, or you would
like us to help you locate a car as a donor, please call 831-429-1989 or
email bill at electroauto.com. 

Shari Prange  Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989 
http://www.electroauto.com electro at cruzio.com 
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since
1979



      
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From davidb at trcsolar.com  Mon Mar  1 16:53:29 2010
From: davidb at trcsolar.com (David Buzzelli)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:53:29 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Save Endangered EV Business in Portland, Oregon
In-Reply-To: <E002347D471E438DAFEA32BA8AA63F86@office1>
Message-ID: <82B5F6B045B94A5CA5B9FEEBA40231B4@trcsolar1a>

J. Youngblood,

Bashing others ... "Mr. Gore, Wall Street and Detroit" will not spark an
interest in your firm's Chinese imports or develop Investor interest,
either.  Remember another important rule ... desperation is a deal
killer. Your email has a desperate air throughout.  It may attract
charity, but not capital infusion.

Times are hard for everyone, and it is not a bad thing that you are
forced to sell Chinese imports.  You're doing something and that is a
plus.

My advice to you is to concentrate on a vertical market with a specific
product, such as electric powered seat scooters for the disabled ...
work directly with the insurance companies and build a revenue stream by
aggressively marketing to one particular type of consumer that get their
products paid for by the insurance providers.  That will give you
financial breathing room to tinker with the wider variety of LEVs listed
on your website.  Any new product class will mainly be purchased by a
group of purchasers the marketing gurus call ...the early adopters ...
EA's make purchasing decisions primarily out of keen interest in any
potential innovations your product may offer, unfortunately your
products are geared towards low priced mass production market (this is
an instant turn-off to an EA) ...  you are many years too soon for this
Walmart type product approach ...  Work on some designs that you can
derive from your "years" of experience in the LEV business which may be
the outcome of product deficiencies you have seen throughout what has
previously been available from the imports you deal with (this is a good
basis for garnering investor interest) ... or try to land state/local
community lease contracts where your units could be leased to
individuals with a credit card swipe at parks or on college campuses ...
then you could do some creative financing and borrow against your
"fleet" of LEVs as long as you could show they generate revenue.  Think
about a scaled down version of ZIPCAR www.zipcar.com with a public
service twist to it!!!  This would be innovative business strategy and
that could help your cause ...

If you simply want to sell scooters ... the last time I checked EBAY had
over 32,000 scooters and related parts available at cut throat prices
... you don't want to live off those margins ... you must innovate in
product, delivery, or a mix of both ... there are many areas to create
an identity for yourself and your company.

By the way, you have publicly violated (in writing) on five or so
occasions in this one email various state and federal securities
violations seeking investment in exchange for direct monies,
advertising, labor, etc. for what I assume are non-registered
securities. (i.e., "membership units") Sloppy and illegal ... don't let
temporary, yet difficult to navigate financial potholes in the road
cause you to take actions that lead to permanent closed doors.

Best to you ... LEVs look like a great way to scoot around!

IMO ... "For profit" will always triumph as long as you have producers
that are able to add value, work hard, innovate, manage, solve, and
create either products, services, or systems whereupon others are not
able, unwilling or are not inspired enough to do so.





> -----Original Message-----
> From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org]
On
> Behalf Of Jon Youngblood
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 2:55 PM
> To: oeva-list at oeva.org
> Subject: [Oeva-list] Save Endangered EV Business in Portland, Oregon
> 
> Dear Friends in our Green Community,
> 
>  Our Light Electric Vehicle Company directly helps our customers
> substantially save:
> 
> Money
> $$$ On INSURANCE!
> Energy Consumption
> Air Quality
> National Wealth
> Stress
> 
> We believe that with more people participating in our company, we can
> change
> the image of LEVs and convince the public that going electric NOW (not
> waiting for the $40,000 electric car - sorry Mr. Gore, but pandering
to
> Wall
> St. and Detroit is not helping NOW) will save them money and improve
their
> quality of life.
> 
> Help us find:
> 
> A New MEMBER/MANAGER to run, or manage, the company (see the flash
> animation
> at the top of our home page, just below the header).
> 
> Investors - It's time to grow into the superstore of Electric Vehicles
> that
> can provide the PNW and the U.S. with the  products and support that
is
> unequaled.
> 
> Public Education - for the industry, let the public know the rewards
of
> LEVs
> and the hundreds a month it can save them.
> 
> Ads for us - Free or in Exchange for Stock (Membership Units in LLC)
to
> ensure our own survival.
> 
> Labor - Invest your time and skills in exchange for Membership Units.
> 
> Grant writers willing to work on speculation or in exchange for
Membership
> Units.
> 
> You to Spread The Word of our plight, and of LEVs in general.
> 
> 
> 
> BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION!  It's time to make the changes.  Help us
> promote
> this industry and change people's attitudes towards using these
incredibly
> simple and sensible devices for getting around town that cost only
pennies
> per mile, incur no monthly insurance costs, and are fun door to door
means
> of transportation that have the potential to revolutionize how people
move
> about.  These are NOT TOYS.  And if loving and respecting your home
world
> and your progeny is cool, then these are cool!  Nerds are still
welcome,
> but
> it's cool to care and it's even cooler to do something that is
immediately
> visible to your neighbors and co-workers that you are serious about
facing
> the greatest social issue that we may ever face.
> 
> 
> 
> Don't let our small company die.  Please Help us and our for-profit
> company
> live!   So that we can help be part of the solution another day - and
you
> along with us.  We have a simple solution to a global problem, and we
have
> over 5 years of experience doing it.
> 
> 
> 
> Since 2004 we have struggled to provide alternatives to oil addiction
by
> supplying clean, fully electric vehicles, "Light Electric Vehicles" or
> LEVs,
> to our community.  We, the Members of Scoot On This! And Electric Bike
> Guys
> LLCs, are facing the hard truth that Green in Oregon is turning brown.
> Despite all of the publicity, including former vice president Al
Gore's
> new
> book and the associated media coverage, and all of the millions going
into
> advancing technology that can provide clean alternatives and reducing
our
> oil dependence and carbon footprint, we have a technology that is
ready to
> serve this purpose, now, today, that is fully electric, renewable, and
> only
> requires that we step outside of the carriage for a while (it's nice
> outside
> the box.), we are not reaching the people in a meaningful way .
> 
> 
> 
> Has the free market spoken?  Is "No" the final word?   We, like many
of
> our
> competitors in past years including Eco-Motion, who spent millions on
the
> faith that Green was really a priority of our community, and our
> community's
> government, to change "business as usual" in response to the grave
threat
> of
> human modification of the environment, we have exhausted our working
> capital
> before achieving our mission.  If we cannot find a solution fast, five
> years
> of hard work and experience will be lost.  Maybe it's the will of the
free
> market.  Or maybe we never had enough capital from the start.
> 
> 
> 
> Changing years of Wall St. telling us bigger is better will not happen
> overnight .  But with your help, it will happen.
> 
> 
> 
> Save this valuable Portland asset or it will pass away.   Other
Dealers
> Welcome, Private or Corporate Investors, or ??.
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> 
> Jon
> 
> Please learn more about us, contact us for more information, or visit
our
> web site to gain further insight into what LEVs are, and why they can
> achieve so many of the stated goals of our current Administration in
> response to Global Warming: http://www.scootonthis.com or our, as yet
> under-developed new site http://www.electricbikeguys.com
> 
> 
>  Scoot on this logo
> Jon D. Youngblood - Member/Manager
>   Scoot On This! LLC
> jony at scootonthis.com
> www.scootonthis.com
> 9811 SE Foster Rd.
> Portland, OR  97266
> 503-505-9279
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list



From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 18:00:42 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 18:00:42 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Online Chat w/ Aptera
Message-ID: <8c28d7b51003011800g1c97ef8ex9822e91dc86d4d93@mail.gmail.com>

>From the Aptera newsletter:

 *Live chat with Aptera* Mark your calendars for Friday, March 19th at 1:30
pm.  The Aptera marketing team will be hosting a real-time (virtual) town
hall on our blog site,
http://www.aptera.com/plugin.php<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102981005868&s=3943&e=001Piio6F1p_IA58Eh22wiwFt6MZvxnUGyQgo_FfK56HeE0OLP4Od960xekYHQCIe9j_buf761f9Njpe2ID3lu7RZfAYoRnQUjcPWbSuBZAfiZAkCw1SynhZTU-uyp5HA_v>
.  This 1-hour session is intended to give you, the Aptera family, the
opportunity to dialogue directly with members of the Aptera team to share
your ideas and get answers to some of your more pressing questions.

The format of the town hall will be that of a forum.  You will be able to
post questions or comments for the team to review and respond to.  During
the session, we will attempt to address a wide range of discussion points
from various participants.

Our goal is a very open and positive exchange where we can all come away
from the event having gained insights that will lead to a better Aptera.  We
hope you'll join us.

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
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From matwete at comcast.net  Tue Mar  2 09:26:29 2010
From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:26:29 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Electric Car Rechargers Come to Kitsap County
Message-ID: <005f01caba2d$7f1c5ba0$7d5512e0$@net>


SOUTHWORTH ? Commuters soon will be able to recharge their cars at Kitsap Transit?s Southworth park-and-ride lot while they?re away at work.

The transit agency?s board of directors last month gave staff the OK to install four electric-vehicle charging units at the newly expanded Harper Evangelical Free Church lot, at Sedgwick and Wilson Creek roads. The cost is estimated at $70,000 to $150,000.

Money from the federal Surface Transportation Program for rural projects had to be spent quickly or the county would forfeit it. It was pegged for a trail along Miller Bay Road, but the project fell through.

?The county struggled to find some projects to spend it on, but couldn?t,? Kitsap County Commissioner  <http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/topic/josh-brown/> Josh Brown, the board chairman, said at transit?s February meeting.

?We were sort of the last resort,? said Kitsap Transit Executive Director Dick Hayes. ?Somebody had to use it or we were going to lose it.?

Next, they?ll have to find somebody to plug in to the chargers. There are only 22 all-electric cars in Kitsap County, according to the state Department of Licensing, and 12 of them are on Bainbridge Island. A handful of electric motorcycles and scooters also are licensed here.

Tesla Motors is the only manufacturer selling highway-capable electric cars. It has a sales office in Seattle, but few people can afford its only model ? a $110,000 roadster. There are two on Bainbridge Island. The company is coming out with a $50,000 sedan in 2011.

Also in Kitsap County, there are a few  <http://www.zenncars.com/> ZENN,  <http://www.milesev.com/> Miles and  <http://www.gemcar.com/> GEM vehicles ? all built for low-speed, nonhighway driving.

King County Metro Transit has 39 electric vehicle charging stations in its park-and-ride lots, said assistant director Ron Posthuma. Only four or five people regularly reserve them. There are fewer than 1,000 all-electric vehicles in all of King County, he said, but that could quickly change.

Several automakers are working on plug-in electric hybrids or all-electric vehicles. Nissan will be coming out late this year with the world?s first all-electric, zero-emission car designed for the mass market. Reservations will begin in April, firm orders will be taken in August and cars will start rolling out in December. Seattle is one of five test markets.

Chevrolet plans to sell its  <http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/future/volt.do?seo=goo_|_2009_Chevy_Awareness_|_IMG_Chevy_Volt_Phase_2_Branded_|_Chevrolet_Volt_|_chevrolet_volt> Volt for $40,000 when the sedan debuts in November. It has lithium-ion batteries and a gasoline motor used only for recharging, not to power the wheels, and is designed to go 40 miles on electricity alone.

Toyota has said it will offer a plug-in version of its Prius hybrid by 2011. An all-electric version of the Ford Transit Connect commercial van is coming late this year, followed by the  <http://www.thefordstory.com/green/electric-ford-focus-is-the-car-for-stars-on-%E2%80%9Cthe-jay-leno-show%E2%80%9D/?searchid=426441|28125566|205373347> Ford Focus Electric in 2011.

Kitsap Transit is putting the final touches on the Harper park-and-ride expansion from 170 parking spaces to 570. Construction crews mostly are waiting for weather suitable for finishing paving. The lot will open in about a month, Hayes said.



Read more:  <http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2010/mar/01/coming-soon-electric-car-chargers-south-kitsap-par/#ixzz0h2Xi2nKt> http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2010/mar/01/coming-soon-electric-car-chargers-south-kitsap-par/#ixzz0h2Xi2nKt

 

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From frodus17 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 16:07:42 2010
From: frodus17 at gmail.com (Travis Gintz)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:07:42 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon Motorcycle Road Racing Association adds Electric
	Motorcycles
Message-ID: <b44c78161003021607u49e7468ax1000a449605e04b5@mail.gmail.com>

*I just got this in an email today from someone..... You can bet I'll be
there at all of them ;)*


*Press Release:*

*March 2, 2010*

*The Oregon Motorcycle Road Racing Association to hold races for electric
motorcycles at Portland International Raceway.

Due to the increased interest and availability of battery powered
motorcycles, OMRRA has recently included an electric motorcycle class in all
6 events on the 2010 calendar at Portland International Raceway. *
*


Race dates are:

5/22-5/23

6/26-6/27

7/24-7/25

8/21-8/22

9/25-9/26

10/23-10/24


Track entry is $10 at the gate.  Children 12 and under are free.  Military
in uniform are free.

See [url]www.OMRRA.com[/url] for rules, information, and printable $2.00
coupons.

Contact OMRRA at 503-221-1487 for more information.


What is OMRRA?

For over three decades, the Oregon Motorcycle Road Racing Association has
run safe, exciting, and competitive events for motorcycle road racers and
their fans. Racers range from club level to professionals with national and
international experience. OMRRA operates at Portland International Raceway,
a city park and world class racetrack.*

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From dkillion at juniper.net  Wed Mar  3 09:42:56 2010
From: dkillion at juniper.net (Dave Killion)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:42:56 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Vote For SynkroMotive on "Cringely's List"... Or
 nominate your favorite EV start-up...
Message-ID: <DBDEC20E6E29304D8AE5EAA493609B3556AD63F76A@EMBX02-HQ.jnpr.net>

Hi Guys,

New to the list and to EV.  So this is a big 'first post'.  This really isn't spam - this could be a big opportunity for any local EV shop needing investment money.

There's this guy, Bob Cringely, who used to be a columnist in the Silicon Valley and was hooked in to all kinds of tech stuff and influential people down there.  He's semi-retired now, and just runs a blog now.  He's not always right, but at least it's interesting reading.

But he came up with this idea of doing a search for start-ups *outside* Silicon Valley to have some Angel Investors he knows pour some money into.

See the details of this idea here:
http://www.cringely.com/2010/02/the-cringely-2010-not-in-silicon-valley-startup-tour/

The official kick-off announcement here:
http://www.cringely.com/2010/03/the-smell-of-entrepreneurism-in-the-morning/

And the page where you can nominate and vote for your favorite EV company here:
http://cringelyslist.democrasoft.com/

Be sure to register and vote!  I think it would be cool to get some investment money for our local EV start-ups.

Take care,

Dave Killion

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From Rick.Durst at pgn.com  Fri Mar  5 12:59:02 2010
From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:59:02 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] See and Drive the Think EV
Message-ID: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60D38DD030B@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>

Are you interested in having EVs in your fleet? Come to a presentation by Tim Cunningham, Western Region Sales Manager of Think EV on Thursday, March 11th in downtown Portland. There will be both a morning and afternoon session. Following the presentation you will have the opportunity to test drive the Think City EV.

Session 1:

Presentation: 8:30am - 9:30am

Test Drives: 9:30am -11:30am

Two World Trade Center, Plaza Room (Street Level, near corner of Taylor St. and 1st Ave.)

121 SW Salmon Street

Portland, OR 97204

Session 2:

Presentation: 1:00pm - 2:00pm

Test Drives: 2:00pm - 4:00pm

Two World Trade Center, Flags Room (Street Level, facing Front Ave.)

121 SW Salmon St.

Portland, OR 97204

Please RSVP to Melissa Hunting at 503-464-7784 or melissa.hunting at pgn.com

Space is limited so please RSVP as soon as possible.

http://www.thinkev.com/

http://www.thinkev.com/The-THINK-City/Specifications/Technical-data
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From plskeggs at noeticdesign.com  Fri Mar  5 21:38:49 2010
From: plskeggs at noeticdesign.com (Pete Skeggs)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:38:49 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla On Display at Autodesk Northwest Regional FIRST
	Competition
Message-ID: <4B91EA69.6020608@noeticdesign.com>

A Tesla roadster happens to be on display in the pit area at the 
Memorial Coliseum during this weekend's FIRST robotics competition 
(www.usfirst.org).  The event is free and open to the public, but ends 
Saturday afternoon.

-Pete







From pusa411 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 23:56:01 2010
From: pusa411 at gmail.com (PREMIUM-USA)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:56:01 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Think
Message-ID: <793086121003052356i2f3c14f0h1a24f0312cb2a9d6@mail.gmail.com>

Could we talk them into a Evening event with the OEVA..?

I would volunteer some Chinese take out for their staff..
...

THX..
            Daniel T "Bubba" Conway

Premium-Opto
7011 Sleret Ave.
Vancouver, WA 98664
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 16:04:24 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:04:24 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] OpConnect
Message-ID: <8c28d7b51003061604j14ab8014x912955926f34924@mail.gmail.com>

Three OEVA members came out to a press event on Friday to support a local
company that is designing and making EV charging stations.
Here are the photos:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=151722&id=138510433019&ref=nf

You should not need a facebook account to see these. Let me know if you have
any trouble accessing them.
<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=151722&id=138510433019&ref=nf>
Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
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From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Sun Mar  7 07:35:02 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:35:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] OpConnect
In-Reply-To: <8c28d7b51003061604j14ab8014x912955926f34924@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c28d7b51003061604j14ab8014x912955926f34924@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0133d6f89f46ed63b260bb48d13a91d1.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

Patrick,
I would have loved to have gone and observed if I had known about it.
Could the group members post this information BEFORE the event, perhaps
either through the OEVA.org website or the Linkedin groups website?
Thanks,
Gene
> Three OEVA members came out to a press event on Friday to support a local
> company that is designing and making EV charging stations.
> Here are the photos:
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=151722&id=138510433019&ref=nf
>
> You should not need a facebook account to see these. Let me know if you
> have
> any trouble accessing them.
> <http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=151722&id=138510433019&ref=nf>
> Regards,
> Pat
> Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
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From pusa411 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  7 18:09:57 2010
From: pusa411 at gmail.com (PREMIUM-USA)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:09:57 -0500
Subject: [Oeva-list] Weights of Honda/ Acura cars
Message-ID: <793086121003071809u4e1bdf98u9259f451cd7643a3@mail.gmail.com>

Found a Honda / Acura site with weights from 1985 to present

http://www.hondaclub.com/forum/articles/264-whats-weight-my-car.html

Anyone know of a clean CRX.?
...

THX..
            Daniel T "Bubba" Conway
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From roylemeur at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  8 19:04:25 2010
From: roylemeur at hotmail.com (Roy LeMeur)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:04:25 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] For Sale-  1994 PG&E S-10 EV 3,
	726 factory original miles
Message-ID: <BAY142-W26D3EA82D343AEF0E525E4AD340@phx.gbl>


Hi Folks

Car salesman hat is on :-)

This is a rare one. 

Not everyday a factory-built EV comes up for sale with 3,726 factory original miles on it. (maybe a Tesla)

Being offered to the NW EV community first, SEVA and OEVA folks for now. Vehicle is located close to Port Townsend, WA. 

Hoping not to have to go to the EV Trading Post, Ebay, or... (please! no!) Craigslist. Dealing with local EVers is much preferred.

I am helping a friend to sell this. He has been storing it away while planning to do something with it for many years. 

As often happens... changing priorities motivate sale. I will try to offer as much info as I can.

-1994 Chevy S-10 US Electricar, White on Blue. [IIRC, the Serial # is 248] Date of manufacture 9/94. PG&E vehicle-

Photos are here (shot right after first time brought out of the garage and washed in five years)-
http://picasaweb.google.com/lektwik/1994ChevyS10USElectricarDolphinDriveEV#

The links to vehicle examples on the EV Album listed below provide good, basic, system descriptions.

Well... OK... I will give a brief, all strung together description...

GM/Siemens/Hughes Dolphin 50kW 3-phase A/C drive w/regen w/programmable built-in charger 312V system carbon fiber driveshaft Borg-Warner T-10 locked in 2nd gear from factory 4.11 rearend 72 mph top speed was originally Panasonic NiMH batteries. Enough... please look it up on the inter-nets.

There are a few folks that are experts on these and they are on the EVDL. I am not one of those experts. Please refer to the links provided below to learn much more.

Let's get the not-so-good out there first-
No Batteries, no battery box lid. Hasn't run since originally in service for PG&E. Needs a talented detailer to pretty it up, mostly chassis and underhood. Missing rear bumper. Has sat in current owner's garage for five+ years. 

For sale as-is, where-is, close to Port Townsend, WA. Bring a trailer and load it up.

The Good-
Never screwed with. Never hacked. As factory original as it can be. Interior is in as-new condition. Auto painter guru could cure the minor flaws and bring it back to as-new quickly. (see photos) All 12V driven systems are up and running, good 12V battery included.

Battery pack cost? Depends on what you want. I got a ballpark figure on a Thundersky Lithium pack with BMS from the good folks at EV Components. A pack of 160Ah cells should provide a ~150 mile-per-charge vehicle for approx. $17K all included. (based on an estimated 300Wh per mile usage, your mileage may vary :-)

OTOH, you could string together a bunch of power tool batteries that you bought at garage sales to get the voltage needed to initialize the system and drive it a few hundred feet :-O (sorry, couldn't resist)

Links to more info-

Photo gallery of this vehicle-
http://picasaweb.google.com/lektwik/1994ChevyS10USElectricarDolphinDriveEV#

Examples of the same vehicle in the EV Album-
http://evalbum.com/cntrl/HUGH

Vehicle documentation and manuals here-
http://www.uselectricar.org

US Electricar Yahoo Group-
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/uselectricar/

US Electricar S10 FAQ-
http://www.rotordesign.com/s10/s10faq.html


Asking $7500

Serious Inquiries Only Please.

Bottom Line-
First to respond get first opportunity to show up and follow-thru in a timely manner. We want this to go within a couple of weeks.

I would be happy to speak about the logistics of when you can see the vehicle or if you would like to make an offer.


Thanks for looking!
Roy
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/


From richard.reinoehl at verizon.net  Mon Mar  8 23:11:42 2010
From: richard.reinoehl at verizon.net (richard.reinoehl at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:11:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] This meeting
Message-ID: <1291433390.152095.1268118702839.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net>

This meeting, besides food and drink, we'll be presenting an award, asking for announcements,  and then focus on our goal teams.  

Each team will have time to report in to the general group regarding their goals/objectives for the year, what they have accomplished since last meeting, and respond to comments or questions.  We will take some time to discuss how this process is working for everyone so that if we want adjustments we can make them.  Time will then be available for teams to sub-group for further discussion.

Here are the goal team topics and the number of votes each received:

Educate Public     4
EV Sponsored Garage     5
Conversion Education     9
Charging Stations     8
Government Policy     1
Fund Raising     1
Partnering With Other Groups     1
Consumer Advocacy     1
Helping other EV Groups     1

(The "1"s meet as a group for mutual support and accountability)

Richard





From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 12:38:33 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 12:38:33 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Green Transportation
Message-ID: <8c28d7b51003091238s377a0988l6b799cdedc7ec179@mail.gmail.com>

Vote for your favorite upcoming electric vehicle
http://www.treehugger.com/best-of-green/cars-transportation/

Nissan LEAF
Mitsubishi i MiEV
Tesla Model S
Chevy Volt
Ford Focus EV

Vote at the link above.

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
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From jray3 at aol.com  Tue Mar  9 13:26:11 2010
From: jray3 at aol.com (jray3 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:26:11 -0500
Subject: [Oeva-list] Conversion education in action
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13.1268164806.38439.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.13.1268164806.38439.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <8CC8DE646012F74-1C3C-1157@webmail-d028.sysops.aol.com>




Hello OEVAians, 

As a former member and current lurker; thought I'd pipe up about conversion education.  The Tacoma EV Assoc held a Garage Day at my house last Saturday, and a great time was had by all, both experienced and newby converters.  Of course, the sunniest, warmest day of they year thus far didn't hurt matters..
  
Saturday's work party was fortunately documented by TACEVA member Tim Ritchey, who also happens to have a photography business!
He already put together a slide show at http://www.showcasenwphoto.com/
Just click on EV Garage, and if it asks for a password, just echo the user name: showcasenw



Thanks to all spent the year's sunniest and warmest day thus far at my house today for the work party.  Tim, Don, Bill, Roger and Stan all chipped in towards getting the Karmann Eclectric road-ready.  
Thanks to some creative thinking from multiple viewpoints, we were able to solve some nagging problems.  A couple of Lexan sheets now shed rain from the stock engine cooling air vents better than the stock rain tray, while still allowing sufficient air flow, a stock outward appearance, clearance for the green boxes stacked below, and ensuring that my hidden 3rd brake light shines forth.  A DC-rated breaker is now mounted 'upstream' of the PFC20 battery charger, to not only provide protection to the charger (standard downstream fuse installation only protects the battery pack and prevents full charger meltdowns), but to also provide protection when using the PFC charger in DC-DC mode, enabling 'opportunity' charging on the go from a DC source, whether that be a dump pack at the races, or to get an EV 'jump start' from another EV, even if it has a different voltage battery pack!  
 
The following exerpt from Manzanita Micro shows how to run their super-versatile chargers on DC input.  Thanks again to Rich Rudman for such an awesome feature!  I'll soon be installing a pack of secondhand EV batteries from Matt Schneider's Vanagon into the car trailer.  These Dominated Dekas no longer give suffient range in daily-driver service, and I 'only' have 192 volts worth of them, but thanks to the versatile PFC20, I'll still be able to charge the Karmann Eclectric from this pack, just at a 3840 watt rate, instead of the 4800 watts possible from a 240V pack or wall outlet.  However, this is a lot better than the 1800 watt limit from a standard 120V wall outlet.  That'll be great for fast and safe recharging at Events and races- certainly safer than the 'monster jumper cable' method that some drag racers once used, simply connecting two packs through a contactor, knife switch, or...... alligator clips!  Lastly, I intend to build a series/parallel switch that will enable charging of the trailer-mounted dump pack via the solar array that currently charges the trailer's 12V house battery.

Running Your PFC Charger on DC instead of AC
You may have heard that Manzanita Micro chargers can run from both AC and DC
power. This is true under the right circumstances; in fact the PFC40HM is designed to
run on both AC and DC in the Pi Prius conversion kits.
NOTICE! The Manzanita Micro chargers were really designed to run from an AC power
source. If you are planning to run one on DC power and it is damaged, repair work will
likely NOT BE COVERED UNDER WARRANTY! It should be noted that the primary
on/off circuit breaker on the charger is only AC rated. For this reason, we
recommend installing an appropriate DC rated breaker or fuse on the input side
when powering any Manzanita charger with DC.
There are three Manzanita Micro PFC charger models which can be run off DC power
without having to make any internal adjustments to the unit. These unique models are
the standard PFC-20, the PFC-40HM and the standard PFC-50 (none of them have
buck enhancement).
If you are running a charger on DC power, it is advisable to keep the input voltage
between 100 and 390VDC. The lowest voltage that will get the charger to turn on is
about 60VDC. The absolute highest acceptable DC input voltage is 400V. NEVER
EVER EXCEED THE 400VDC MAXIMUM INPUT VOLTAGE!!
NOTE: The buck enhanced chargers including the standard PFC-30 and PFC-40 and
the PFC-50B and PFC-75 chargers can be modified to run on DC by disconnecting the
buck sensor unit and adding a jumper over two pins on the main power board. Contact
Manzanita Micro for more information if you if you are really determined to run a buck
enhanced charger from a DC power source.

Lastly, we installed a surplus 30 amp, 240V Uninterruptible Power Supply in the car hauler.  Once the car hauler's battery pack is upgraded to 240V, this will enable the trailer to supply off-grid charge to any EV capable of charging off of 240 VAC.  (Pure sine wave, at that!)  Since my car's pack is also 240V, that means the UPS will be able to charge the car in the rare event that there is a problem with the PFC20, and also it should power much of my house during a power outage off the trailer's dump pack, or if necessary, from the car's pack.
 
On the mechanical front, we took off the insufficient stock pressure plate, and found the chatter marks and vapor-trails left on the Kennedy racing-duty clutch disc!  Apparently, I hadn't taken enough pains to slip the clutch a bit during break-in and seat the pads properly.  What contact surface there was, quickly became badly pitted by Zilla-induced vaporization!  A new disc and Stage IV pressure plate (originally designed for V8 Volkswagen conversions of the 1970s) should do the trick, and to better stabilize that torquey drivetrain, we began fitting a Gene Berg weld-in solid transaxle mount and a Kafer Cup truss bar kit from V Dub Engineering....
 
Thanks again to Tim for the photos, and I'll also be putting some up on www.karmanneclectric.blogspot.com
 
Cheers, 
Jay Donnaway
Graham, WA



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From paburkey at juno.com  Wed Mar 10 12:05:48 2010
From: paburkey at juno.com (paburkey)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:05:48 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Upcoming Events
Message-ID: <20100310.120621.26198.155153@mailpop02.dca.untd.com>

Hi,

Below are the upcoming Events:
March:
Friday, March 26
12:00pm 
 Energy Trust Better Living Show at the Portland Expo Center
Saturday, March 27
11:00am 
 Energy Trust Better Living Show at the Portland Expo Center
Sunday, March 28
11:00am 
 Energy Trust Better Living Show at the Portland Expo Center

April:
Saturday, April 10
9:00am 
 "Living Greener" Beaverton

Friday, April 23
9:00am 
Clark Public Utilities Home & Garden Idea Fair

Saturday, April 24
9:00am 
 "Mt Hood Green Scene" sustainability fair in Welches (near Mt Hood) 
9:00am 
 Annual 82nd Avenue of Roses Parade, 9AM to 3 PM, Eastport Classic Car
Cruise-In, and Carnival Day. 
10:00am 
Clark Public Utilities Home & Garden Idea Fair
Sunday, April 25
10:00am 
Clark Public Utilities Home & Garden Idea Fair

July
Saturday, July 24, 2010
10:00am Celebrate Hillsboro 2010

August
Sunday, August 22, 2010
10:00am 
 Lake Oswego Electric

Paul Burkey,
OEVA Ongoing Event Chair

____________________________________________________________
Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat!
http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210
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From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Wed Mar 10 12:20:12 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:20:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Ford PEV test by Electronic Design editor Don Tiute
Message-ID: <7f3fe4861a8c83841afc53e282a38040.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

Test drive last week in SF.

http://electronicdesign.com/article/power/ford_strives_for_pev_gas_parity_in_its_transit_connect_light_trucks.aspx#




From paburkey at juno.com  Wed Mar 10 12:44:08 2010
From: paburkey at juno.com (paburkey)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:44:08 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Please sign up in poll to help at the Energy Trust
	Better Living Show at the Portland Expo Center
Message-ID: <20100310.124451.994.33631@mailpop01.dca.untd.com>

Hi,

Please go to the poll to sign up help at the Energy Trust Better Living
Show at the Portland Expo Center.
Need three or more for Saturday in the middle of the day because of the
many people attending.
For the other times two or more would help.
http://www.doodle.com/zgqdm8bcbhsqne39

Thank you,
Paul Burkey
OEVA Ongoing Events Chair   

____________________________________________________________
Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat!
http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210


From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Wed Mar 10 12:52:57 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:52:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Conversion Education Committee OEVA Linkedin Subgroup
Message-ID: <fe1fd7085f8fd0bd4a068684ce6bc90f.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

The response to joining the OEVA "garage" is up to 4 people now.

There might be some confusion as to the membership in the group is
supposed to be.
And I originally sent it only to 9 members.
So this is going out to all.

I'm thinking this one subgroup might combine the two groups from last
months meeting.
     EV Sponsored Garage     5
     Conversion Education     9
Or perhaps a 2nd subgroup should be named under linkedin.)

The name of the subgroup is "OEVA Sponsored Garage" for now and that can
be changed.
The link to the sub-group is:
http://www.linkedin.com/groupSharingMsg?displayCreate=&connId=-1&groupID=2773538&trk=anet_hm_act_shar

Over on the right side, is the sign in section, and there you can sign up
for Linkein if you are not already a member. Don't worry about entering in
your complete work history, if you do not want to share that, you can be
rather terse in your "history".
Once you are a member of LinkedIn you can request to join the main group
and the subgroup.
The main group is found:
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=141935&trk=myg_ugrp_ovr

Gene Fifield
OEVA member







From climer97007 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 10 14:19:22 2010
From: climer97007 at yahoo.com (Gene Climer)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:19:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA Sponsored Garage Linkedin Subgroup
In-Reply-To: <fe1fd7085f8fd0bd4a068684ce6bc90f.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>
References: <fe1fd7085f8fd0bd4a068684ce6bc90f.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>
Message-ID: <546864.4562.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

John Christian has setup the?OEVA Sponsored Garage subgroup on LinkedIn.

The OEVA Linkedin?group is here:
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=141935&trk=myg_ugrp_ovr

The OEVA Sponsored Garage Linkedin subgroup is located here:
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?subgroups=&gid=141935&trk=anet_ug_subg

Membership to the?OEVA Sponsored Garage subgroup?is open to any OEVA?member.

The OEVA Sponsored Garage Team Members, including their contact information, is posted?in the discussion section of the subgroup:
http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&gid=2773538&discussionID=15333154&goback=%2Eanh_141935_1268258236397_1%2Eanh_2773538

If you want to see what is going on, follow the links above.

Thanks!
Gene Climer
OEVA Sponsored Garage Team Leader?
503-642-2017 (Home)
503-267-1648 (Cell)



      
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From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Wed Mar 10 15:22:23 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:22:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] OEVA Sponsored Garage Linkedin Subgroup
In-Reply-To: <546864.4562.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <fe1fd7085f8fd0bd4a068684ce6bc90f.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>
	<546864.4562.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <04accda65742398695aa9c20fee7556b.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

Gene,
I must be confused, because I asked John to set up the group for the
education committee and this is what he set up; I thought the name was
wrong, but I think he thought that our groups were one and the same.
So,
Lets talk about it tomorrow and straighten it out.
Gene
>

 John Christian has setup the?OEVA Sponsored Garage subgroup on LinkedIn.
>
> The OEVA Linkedin?group is here:
> http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=141935&trk=myg_ugrp_ovr
>
> The OEVA Sponsored Garage Linkedin subgroup is located here:
> http://www.linkedin.com/groups?subgroups=&gid=141935&trk=anet_ug_subg
>
> Membership to the?OEVA Sponsored Garage subgroup?is open to any
> OEVA?member.
>
> The OEVA Sponsored Garage Team Members, including their contact
> information, is posted?in the discussion section of the subgroup:
> http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&gid=2773538&discussionID=15333154&goback=%2Eanh_141935_1268258236397_1%2Eanh_2773538
>
> If you want to see what is going on, follow the links above.
>
> Thanks!
> Gene Climer
> OEVA Sponsored Garage Team Leader?
> 503-642-2017 (Home)
> 503-267-1648 (Cell)
>
>
>
>




From Rick.Durst at pgn.com  Thu Mar 11 13:46:46 2010
From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:46:46 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] Think City to be at EV Club Meeting tonight
Message-ID: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60D38935C20@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>

I made arrangements for the Think to be at the club meeting tonight.

Also, please take the survey (see link below) if you are interested in helping PGE learn more about EV customers and their energy use. Please feel free to pass the link to others in Oregon.


http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PGE_Electric_Vehicle_Research_Survey_e-mail_invite


From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Sat Mar 13 18:19:45 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:19:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV charging video link
Message-ID: <c0ebc74a3809b737a8e2f0af4e253104.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

This is for AeroVironment's proposed home charging unit.
http://www.avinc.com/video/HomeChargingMadeEasy.wmv



From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Sat Mar 13 21:07:49 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:07:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Linkedin website for OEVA subgroup communications
Message-ID: <c7bbbf74efc02acb64af5626adad550e.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

Hi OEVA members,

Someone asked me at Thursday night's OEVA meeting to explain how to get
onto the OEVA Linkedin website. I've sent links in the past to the
website, but unless you are already signed up with Linkedin you will
become somewhat frustrated by not being able to proceed without signing
up.

The normal user protection flag goes up for most people and that is the
end of the communications.

Well, if you can overcome that, Linkedin will allow you to connect with
former co-workers or college alumni or people in OEVA and other groups you
might never knew existed. It is all about networking for career or
education or other interests.

I believe that Linkedin was originally set up as a tool to help you find
jobs and re-connect with other people, from your current world or your
ancient past.

Unlike Facebook, this social networking tool is useful for pulling
together people of similar interests, companies, schools or groups like
OEVA.

Not everybody can join this OEVA group; it has a moderator, who currently
is our president John Christian. So you don't really have to worry so much
about getting spammed by people who you don't know. (you will just get
spammed by members!) However a mechanism is in place that allows linkedin
friends of your linkedin friends to ask your friend for an introduction to
you. So you can allow the request or ignore it. All this communication
goes though the Linkedin server and your email address isn't shared unless
you want to share it.

Linkedin can describe this much better than me.
Visit this website to educate yourself further.

http://press.linkedin.com/about

Then sign up.

Then use the second link to find the OEVA Linkedin group, and join our group:

http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=141935&trk=anetsrch_name&goback=.gdr_1268541944152_1

We currently have 2 subgroups within the linkedin group.
OEVA Garage
OEVA Education
We will have OEVA Charging stations shortly.
Does anybody else want another subgroup?

Through these subgroups we can have discussion that will allow the
subgroups to communicate without cluttering up the general group
communications.
I'll probably sign up for all three, but others may only be interested in
the main group, and not want to hear talk about electrons, connectors and
tools.

Of course the OEVA-list at OEVA.org will continue to function, and can be
used for general communications too, and OEVA.org gives us a general
presence to the entire web community. This email portal will still
function, whether you sign up with LinkedIn or don't.

Gene Fifield






From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Sun Mar 14 10:03:04 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:03:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Monday 6:50 AM OPB Electric Vehicles in Oregon
Message-ID: <c745dc78bbe4341d696615c7fea91585.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

Hi,
Just heard that the subject will be covered tomorrow morning on OPB radio
at 6:50AM.
Gene



From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Mon Mar 15 15:14:27 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:14:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Monday 6:50 AM OPB Electric Vehicles in Oregon
Message-ID: <dbeef2b226485083b082c1a9ad88f488.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

Here is the link to read and listen to the program if you missed it this
morning.

http://news.opb.org/article/6907-charging-ahead-electric-vehicle-rollout-track-nw/



From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 09:29:51 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:29:51 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
Message-ID: <8c28d7b51003180929p58a862edl1ebcc854e0938310@mail.gmail.com>

A Japanese news source has said that the LEAF will for between 3.5 to 4
million Yen in Japan (before the gov. subsidy). That translates to $38,600
to $44,300 USD. Will the US price be similar? We'll find out in two weeks.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20100317p2a00m0na014000c.html

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
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From: Shorepower_Technologies at mail.vresp.com (Shorepower Technologies)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:04:49 +0000
Subject: [Oeva-list] Fresh Air: An Idle Free World
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From tony at mi-squared.com  Thu Mar 18 10:25:15 2010
From: tony at mi-squared.com (Tony McCormick)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:25:15 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
In-Reply-To: <8c28d7b51003180929p58a862edl1ebcc854e0938310@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c28d7b51003180929p58a862edl1ebcc854e0938310@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94952bf11003181025q686c0bcawcf35003146ae0562@mail.gmail.com>

If so then they failed.

Tony McCormick
www.mi-squared.com
503-564-4670


On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:29 AM, <patrick0101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> A Japanese news source has said that the LEAF will for between 3.5 to 4
> million Yen in Japan (before the gov. subsidy). That translates to $38,600
> to $44,300 USD. Will the US price be similar? We'll find out in two weeks.
>
> http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/business/news/20100317p2a00m0na014000c.html
>
> Regards,
> Pat
> Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
>
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From mbutts at ieee.org  Thu Mar 18 14:12:16 2010
From: mbutts at ieee.org (Mike Butts)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:12:16 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
Message-ID: <f24ed0621003181412m4638c682k75c24e1184f74b50@mail.gmail.com>

 It's time to replace the Prius I've driven daily since 2000. It cost me
about $23K in today's dollars, after tax benefits. I've been watching the
Leaf closely, after Aptera got hijacked. I've been wondering how they can
meet a reasonable price with the 24kWh pack this steel 4-door hatchback
requires. We shall see.

More discussion at Autoblog Green:

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/03/17/report-nissan-leaf-priced-at-u-s-38-500-in-japan/

  --Mike

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From climer97007 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 18 14:38:00 2010
From: climer97007 at yahoo.com (Gene Climer)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:38:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
In-Reply-To: <f24ed0621003181412m4638c682k75c24e1184f74b50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f24ed0621003181412m4638c682k75c24e1184f74b50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <304728.7062.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Time will tell how reasonable the price will be. The thing they have in their favor is that supply their own battery pack. They do no have to pay profits to someone else to build it. They can live with the topline profit of the combined vehicle. This is the benefit of vertical and horizontal integration. I would expect a high starting price. they can always lower it later. When entering a price negotiation, you never start out where you expect to end up.

Gene




________________________________
From: Mike Butts <mbutts at ieee.org>
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 2:12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing

It's time to replace the Prius I've driven daily since 2000. It cost me about $23K in today's dollars, after tax benefits. I've been watching the Leaf closely, after Aptera got hijacked. I've been wondering how they can meet a reasonable price with the 24kWh pack this steel 4-door hatchback requires. We shall see.

More discussion at Autoblog Green:
? http://green.autoblog.com/2010/03/17/report-nissan-leaf-priced-at-u-s-38-500-in-japan/

? --Mike

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From phil at hochstetler.com  Thu Mar 18 15:54:40 2010
From: phil at hochstetler.com (phil hochstetler)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:54:40 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
In-Reply-To: <304728.7062.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <f24ed0621003181412m4638c682k75c24e1184f74b50@mail.gmail.com> 
	<304728.7062.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <37a5993b1003181554l625d7a03vb18fef10f80499bd@mail.gmail.com>

I can think of a couple things that might work in favor of lowering the price:

They are going to offer a "lease" or "buy" option.  If you lease, you
lease car + battery.  If you buy, you buy both.  There will be $7500
federal plus state tax credits.  They have said that if you lease,
they will lower the lease price by the amount of tax credits (which
they keep since you are leasing).  The effect here is to level the
cost structure for lease vs buy.

They plan recycle the batteries at 5 years by selling them to
Utilities for grid stabilization projects.  This has much higher
dollar value than trying to recycle the raw lithium so again should
lower the cost of the batteries (lease and buy options).

New battery options for old vehicles.  I read that they would be
developing new battery options that would be swappable into the car in
the future.  This makes buying the car more attractive if you know
that in the future you can get more range or faster charge times with
better battery technology.  This does not really lower the price now
but protects you from a 5 year old car with a worn out battery and no
options for replacement from the dealer.

--phil

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Gene Climer <climer97007 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Time will tell how reasonable the price will be. The thing they have in
> their favor is that supply their own battery pack. They do no have to pay
> profits to someone else to build it. They can live with the topline profit
> of the combined vehicle. This is the benefit of vertical and horizontal
> integration. I would expect a high starting price. they can always lower it
> later. When entering a price negotiation, you never start out where you
> expect to end up.
>
> Gene
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Butts <mbutts at ieee.org>
> To: oeva-list at oeva.org
> Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 2:12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
>
> It's time to replace the Prius I've driven daily since 2000. It cost me
> about $23K in today's dollars, after tax benefits. I've been watching the
> Leaf closely, after Aptera got hijacked. I've been wondering how they can
> meet a reasonable price with the 24kWh pack this steel 4-door hatchback
> requires. We shall see.
>
> More discussion at Autoblog Green:
>
> http://green.autoblog.com/2010/03/17/report-nissan-leaf-priced-at-u-s-38-500-in-japan/
>
> ? --Mike
>
> ---
> Mike Butts mbutts at ieee.org
>
>
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From r_donovans at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 18 16:24:02 2010
From: r_donovans at yahoo.com (The Donovans)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:24:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
In-Reply-To: <37a5993b1003181554l625d7a03vb18fef10f80499bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f24ed0621003181412m4638c682k75c24e1184f74b50@mail.gmail.com>
	<304728.7062.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<37a5993b1003181554l625d7a03vb18fef10f80499bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <162967.53139.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

My take is that a Leaf priced around $40K is to high for the product and discourage early adopters. Sure, they can start out high and lower as a marketing scheme but, if that's what they are doing, it is short-sided. This leaves the door open to other EV business plan approaches, such as Better Place that is pushing a battery switch business plan:
?
http://blog.betterplace.com/2010/03/quicker-than-quick-charge-extending-ev-range-instantly-with-battery-switch/
?
It's too high of an initial investment. People will take a "wait and see" attitude on which strategy will win out. My preference would have been for a more aggressive initial pricing scheme to encourage early adopting and maintain grassroots excitement that may encourage more states to push for a recharging infrastructure.
?
Richard Donovan

?



________________________________
From: phil hochstetler <phil at hochstetler.com>
To: Gene Climer <climer97007 at yahoo.com>; OEVA <oeva-list at oeva.org>
Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 3:54:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing

I can think of a couple things that might work in favor of lowering the price:

They are going to offer a "lease" or "buy" option.? If you lease, you
lease car + battery.? If you buy, you buy both.? There will be $7500
federal plus state tax credits.? They have said that if you lease,
they will lower the lease price by the amount of tax credits (which
they keep since you are leasing).? The effect here is to level the
cost structure for lease vs buy.

They plan recycle the batteries at 5 years by selling them to
Utilities for grid stabilization projects.? This has much higher
dollar value than trying to recycle the raw lithium so again should
lower the cost of the batteries (lease and buy options).

New battery options for old vehicles.? I read that they would be
developing new battery options that would be swappable into the car in
the future.? This makes buying the car more attractive if you know
that in the future you can get more range or faster charge times with
better battery technology.? This does not really lower the price now
but protects you from a 5 year old car with a worn out battery and no
options for replacement from the dealer.

--phil

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Gene Climer <climer97007 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Time will tell how reasonable the price will be. The thing they have in
> their favor is that supply their own battery pack. They do no have to pay
> profits to someone else to build it. They can live with the topline profit
> of the combined vehicle. This is the benefit of vertical and horizontal
> integration. I would expect a high starting price. they can always lower it
> later. When entering a price negotiation, you never start out where you
> expect to end up.
>
> Gene
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Butts <mbutts at ieee.org>
> To: oeva-list at oeva.org
> Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 2:12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
>
> It's time to replace the Prius I've driven daily since 2000. It cost me
> about $23K in today's dollars, after tax benefits. I've been watching the
> Leaf closely, after Aptera got hijacked. I've been wondering how they can
> meet a reasonable price with the 24kWh pack this steel 4-door hatchback
> requires. We shall see.
>
> More discussion at Autoblog Green:
>
> http://green.autoblog.com/2010/03/17/report-nissan-leaf-priced-at-u-s-38-500-in-japan/
>
> ? --Mike
>
> ---
> Mike Butts mbutts at ieee.org
>
>
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From tony at notebene.net  Thu Mar 18 17:12:34 2010
From: tony at notebene.net (Tony McCormick)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:12:34 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
In-Reply-To: <162967.53139.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <f24ed0621003181412m4638c682k75c24e1184f74b50@mail.gmail.com>
	<304728.7062.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<37a5993b1003181554l625d7a03vb18fef10f80499bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<162967.53139.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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I think they will fail if the price is not below $25K, I said that in the
meeting with the Nissan Team way back when and I still think that is the
case.

I know I won't be able to afford it , which will make me sad.

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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 01:14:31 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:14:31 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
In-Reply-To: <94952bf11003181712n1fd35e68i4704527d126c181a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f24ed0621003181412m4638c682k75c24e1184f74b50@mail.gmail.com> 
	<304728.7062.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<37a5993b1003181554l625d7a03vb18fef10f80499bd@mail.gmail.com> 
	<162967.53139.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<94952bf11003181712n1fd35e68i4704527d126c181a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8c28d7b51003190114l6dc4f1a5t8365b0dd48d3d485@mail.gmail.com>

Remember that this is just a rumor about what the pricing *could *be in
Japan. Even if it it true, it could have little baring on the US price since
the competition and the incentives are different in our market.

This was some great discussion. Thanks everyone.

Regards,
Pat
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From mbutts at ieee.org  Fri Mar 19 14:31:32 2010
From: mbutts at ieee.org (Mike Butts)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:31:32 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
Message-ID: <f24ed0621003191431l4aff2bd7oc72be71ea974c504@mail.gmail.com>

Nissan America says they won't sell the car and lease the batteries:

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/nissan-leaf-electric-car-comes-to-new-york/

That's a big disappointment. An EV chassis can last practically forever, so
I'd like to own my EV. But the batteries are on a sharp improvement curve,
so I'd rather lease them. Nissan/NEC has a better chemistry in the works,
maybe five years out. Their plan to take the batteries back in five years,
replace them with better batteries that extend my range, and deploy the old
batteries in electric utilities sounded very smart.

Maybe it will make more sense to lease an EV at first, if most of its cost
is the batteries. Good point about Nissan's cost advantage from in-house
battery production. Besides, they should price to the market rather than to
cost, like Toyota did with Prius. Anyway we're just speculating, we'll see.

I wish they had started with a lighter (thus cheaper) 2-seater. Will it make
more economic sense to convert a 1st-gen Miata than buy a Leaf?

For some reason I haven't been getting the Leaf emails, I even called them
about it. I do want to put down my $100. If Nissan sends out something, I'd
appreciate a heads-up on the list, thanks.

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From morbiusx1 at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 20 21:32:04 2010
From: morbiusx1 at hotmail.com (mark barthemer)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:32:04 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 77,
 Issue 17  - Collision-damaged Rav4 EV sold for $29k?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1269111604.20615.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.11.1269111604.20615.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W1001210943474B3D4DB4A5FB280@phx.gbl>


If I read the notice correctly, a 2002 Rav4 EV with collision damage & salvage title sold in Utah recently for c $29k - here's the Seattle EVA link, which has links to the dealer in Utah, WWA, which seems to say it has been sold:

http://www.seattleeva.org/smf/index.php?topic=923.0



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> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
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> 
> Nissan America says they won't sell the car and lease the batteries:
> 
> http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/nissan-leaf-electric-car-comes-to-new-york/
> 
> That's a big disappointment. An EV chassis can last practically forever, so
> I'd like to own my EV. But the batteries are on a sharp improvement curve,
> so I'd rather lease them. Nissan/NEC has a better chemistry in the works,
> maybe five years out. Their plan to take the batteries back in five years,
> replace them with better batteries that extend my range, and deploy the old
> batteries in electric utilities sounded very smart.
> 
> Maybe it will make more sense to lease an EV at first, if most of its cost
> is the batteries. Good point about Nissan's cost advantage from in-house
> battery production. Besides, they should price to the market rather than to
> cost, like Toyota did with Prius. Anyway we're just speculating, we'll see.
> 
> I wish they had started with a lighter (thus cheaper) 2-seater. Will it make
> more economic sense to convert a 1st-gen Miata than buy a Leaf?
> 
> For some reason I haven't been getting the Leaf emails, I even called them
> about it. I do want to put down my $100. If Nissan sends out something, I'd
> appreciate a heads-up on the list, thanks.
> 
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From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Sun Mar 21 10:18:48 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:18:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] PSU ECE 510 - Electric Vehicles course will happen
Message-ID: <eb42b19d21e0dd443e828da78f56663b.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

PSU ECE 510 - Electric Vehicles ? Part I, Electric Drives and Controllers,
 has 20 people registered as of March 20th, so the course will happen.

http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~strom/ev1/ev1.html

Dr Hammerstrom says on March 20th: "We now have 20 signed up, 11
undergraduates and 9 graduate students.  So the course will happen. . . . . "
I asked him if it was closed:
"Well, in theory it is closed, that is, we decided to limit the class to 20.
However, I realized today that since the undergraduate course and graduate
course use different numbers, PSU is limiting each to 20.  Not exactly
what we wanted, but not something I can do anything about now.  So if we
have a number of additional people register, the system will allow them
to."

So for you last minute deciders there is technically a space for you too!

Gene Fifield
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=2855707&trk=anet_ug_hm&goback=.hom.ana_2855707_1269190916986_3_1.anh_2855707





From Wendy.Marshall at greshamoregon.gov  Mon Mar 22 09:42:17 2010
From: Wendy.Marshall at greshamoregon.gov (Marshall, Wendy)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:42:17 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1269111604.20615.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.10.1269111604.20615.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C31E56C9C87@JUNGLE.gresham.gov>

I also have signed up (twice) to be on the Nissan Leaf list, and have yet to receive an email.

Wendy

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:00 PM
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Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 77, Issue 17

Send Oeva-list mailing list submissions to
	oeva-list at oeva.org

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From climer97007 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 22 09:49:59 2010
From: climer97007 at yahoo.com (Gene Climer)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
In-Reply-To: <60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C31E56C9C87@JUNGLE.gresham.gov>
References: <mailman.10.1269111604.20615.oeva-list@oeva.org>
	<60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C31E56C9C87@JUNGLE.gresham.gov>
Message-ID: <57696.65737.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If you really want to be in that list, I'd start checking spam/junkmail folders.
Their response might be filtered out like a spam.
Gene




________________________________
From: "Marshall, Wendy" <Wendy.Marshall at greshamoregon.gov>
To: "oeva-list at oeva.org" <oeva-list at oeva.org>
Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 9:42:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing

I also have signed up (twice) to be on the Nissan Leaf list, and have yet to receive an email.

Wendy

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From phil at hochstetler.com  Mon Mar 22 11:54:46 2010
From: phil at hochstetler.com (phil hochstetler)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:54:46 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] "Desirable characteristics of public quick charger"
	presentation by Tokyo Electric Power Company
Message-ID: <37a5993b1003221154l16694848je82cea6f268268b3@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting presentation of experience in Tokyo with electric vehicles
and charger designs.

link:  http://www.emc-mec.ca/phev/Presentations_en/S12/PHEV09-S12-3_TakafumiAnegawa.pdf

--phil


From phil.hochstetler at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 11:47:51 2010
From: phil.hochstetler at gmail.com (phil hochstetler)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:47:51 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] "Desirable characteristics of public quick charger"
	presentation by Tokyo Electric Power Company
Message-ID: <37a5993b1003221147k2c7735b5ub5ce1431700201b2@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting presentation of experience in Tokyo with electric vehicles
and charger designs.

link:  http://www.emc-mec.ca/phev/Presentations_en/S12/PHEV09-S12-3_TakafumiAnegawa.pdf

--phil


From morbiusx1 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 22 12:33:31 2010
From: morbiusx1 at hotmail.com (mark barthemer)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:33:31 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] experimental regenerative shock absorbers convert
 bounce to electricity
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1269284404.52091.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.7.1269284404.52091.oeva-list@oeva.org>
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Here's a piece from Gizmag on experimental shock absorbers that convert up&down energy to electricity, on the order of 64 watts/wheel @ 45 mph:

http://www.gizmag.com/regenerative-shock-absorber/14564/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=48e82a5ef7-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email

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From chris at darkstarpro.com  Mon Mar 22 19:54:22 2010
From: chris at darkstarpro.com (Chris Arnesen)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:54:22 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
In-Reply-To: <60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C31E56C9C87@JUNGLE.gresham.gov>
References: <mailman.10.1269111604.20615.oeva-list@oeva.org>
	<60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C31E56C9C87@JUNGLE.gresham.gov>
Message-ID: <4BA82D5E.10203@darkstarpro.com>

I've signed up multiple times, as well as attended the Nissan event at 
Washington Square and signed up again.

Nothing in the spam filters from Nissan either...

Does anyone have the email address Nissan uses to send the messages? I 
can add them to my whitelist just to be sure...

--Chris

On 3/22/2010 9:42 AM, Marshall, Wendy wrote:
> I also have signed up (twice) to be on the Nissan Leaf list, and have yet to receive an email.
>
> Wendy
>    



From gary at whitecape.org  Mon Mar 22 20:06:22 2010
From: gary at whitecape.org (Gary Graunke)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:06:22 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] [Fwd: Nissan News: Nissan NOW Sales Event ends soon]
Message-ID: <4BA8302E.4080205@whitecape.org>

This is a recent message that I received (not sure it will get onto the 
OEVA list, since it is HTML as well as text). It indicates that I should 
add nissan at my-nissanusa.com to my address book. (I assume this has 
something to do with spam filters).

You can also become a fan on www.facebook.com/nissanleaf .

Gary

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Nissan News: Nissan NOW Sales Event ends soon
Date: 	Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:22:56 PDT
From: 	Nissan <news at nissan.p0.com>
Reply-To: 	Nissan.6rwf34f5xv.fqbp at nissan.p0.com
To: 	Gary Graunke <gary at whitecape.org>



To ensure that you continue to receive e-mails from Nissan,
please add *nissan at my-nissanusa.com* to your address book.
Nissan Now Sales Event
	
*Welcome.
*With 0% APR financing(1) on most models, your Nissan Dealer is 
definitely the place to be. But you've got to get there right away 
because this event ends soon. Save on all Nissan sedans, trucks, 
crossovers and SUVs. Now is the time for well-qualified customers to 
take advantage of the best offers ever on our strongest line-up ever, 
but it won't last long.
<http://link.p0.com/t.d?Z4GpPNtWz7yrB9=nissanusa/_0dcp=tqd.mlt.HMP.nsnenewsletter.HNR> 


	


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*The 100% electric, Zero Emission^? Nissan LEAF? is coming soon. * As 
demand for this vehicle builds, Nissan will be offering priority 
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Be sure to join us online and get on the list.


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*The Nissan Juke makes its official U.S. debut at the New York Auto Show 
this April 2-11. * Visit the Juke Web site to see more photos and sign 
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2010 Design of the Year honors. Show your cube pride and get the gear by 
clicking below.

<http://link.p0.com/t.d?I4GpPNtWz7yrB9=nissancollections/default.cfm_0fuse=matrix&browse_2by=productType&brand=all&product_2type=CUBE&product_2category=all>

<http://link.p0.com/u.d?bYGpPNtWz7yrB98-EAh=1> 	 
<http://link.p0.com/u.d?U4GpPNtWz7yrB98-EAk=11&s=HNR>


(1) For well-qualified buyers. Subject to credit approval. Varies by 
model. Offers subject to change. Visit NissanUSA.com or see your dealer 
for offer details.

*For mass market.

^? For tailpipe emissions.

Always wear your seat belt, and please don't drink and drive. ?2010 
Nissan North America, Inc.

If your e-mail address has changed, please click here 
<http://link.p0.com/u.d?SYGpPNtWz7yrB98-EAu=31> to update it.

If you do not wish to receive marketing e-mails from Nissan in the 
future, click here <http://link.p0.com/u.d?RYGpPNtWz7yrB98-EAxs=41> and 
unsubscribe by submitting the e-mail address you want to have removed 
from our list.

To view Nissan's privacy policy, click here 
<http://link.p0.com/u.d?ZYGpPNtWz7yrB98-EAxh=51>.

Nissan E-Mail Marketing
8900 Freeport Parkway
Irving, TX 75063



From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Mon Mar 22 20:08:02 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:08:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
Message-ID: <d2195364b05ae339c333cb858c722741.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

I've also signed up a few times.
I did get an email from a Nissan in general last Friday; so I'm on some
email list.
I'll forward the email to the group.
Gene

> I've signed up multiple times, as well as attended the Nissan event at
Washington Square and signed up again.
>
> Nothing in the spam filters from Nissan either...
>
> Does anyone have the email address Nissan uses to send the messages? I
can add them to my whitelist just to be sure...
>
> --Chris
>
> On 3/22/2010 9:42 AM, Marshall, Wendy wrote:
>> I also have signed up (twice) to be on the Nissan Leaf list, and have
yet to receive an email.
>> Wendy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>






From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Mon Mar 22 20:10:44 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:10:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] [Fwd: Nissan News: Nissan NOW Sales Event ends soon]
Message-ID: <0b61c003223fb62d93e244d02be1f169.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Nissan News: Nissan NOW Sales Event ends soon
From:    "Nissan" <news at nissan.p0.com>
Date:    Fri, March 19, 2010 4:22 pm
To:      "Gene Fifield" <gfifield at onlinenw.com>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------


=================================================================
Nissan March 2010 eNewsletter
=================================================================

This message is intended to be viewed as HTML. Either your e-mail
program does not support HTML, or you have HTML messages
disabled. To view as HTML, please click here:
http://link.p0.com/t.d?XYGpPNtW9ZyrB9=/@HTML_2PREVIEW_2LINK_0a=niVDM-sYDRo9zWsNqiETKDRS&msgVersion=web

In this issue:
Feature Story: Nissan NOW Sales Event Ends March 31.

Breaking News: The 100% electric, Zero Emission* Nissan LEAF(TM)
is coming soon.

Nissan Presents: See how Nissan is making life better every day.

Tech & Innovation: The Nissan Juke makes its official U.S.
debut at the New York Auto Show this April 2-11.

Parts & Gear: Reduced pricing now on eco-friendly cube(R)
merchandise.

=================================================================
BUILD YOUR NISSAN
http://link.p0.com/u.d?y4GpPNtW9ZyrB98-EAwo=160&s=HNR

REQUEST A QUOTE
http://link.p0.com/u.d?2YGpPNtW9ZyrB98-EAwt=170&s=HNR

LOCATE A DEALER
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CURRENT OFFFERS
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NISSAN USA
http://link.p0.com/u.d?04GpPNtW9ZyrB98-EAwc=200&s=HNR
=================================================================


*For tailpipe emissions.

Always wear your seat belt, and please don't drink and drive.
(C)2010 Nissan North America, Inc.

If your e-mail address has changed, please click here to
update it.
http://link.p0.com/u.d?q4GpPNtW9ZyrB98-EAxV=90

If you do not wish to receive marketing e-mails from Nissan
in the future, click here and unsubscribe by submitting the
e-mail address you want to have removed from our list.
http://link.p0.com/u.d?8YGpPNtW9ZyrB98-EAxK=100&s=H377

To view Nissan's privacy policy, click here.
http://link.p0.com/u.d?wYGpPNtW9ZyrB98-EAxP=110

Nissan E-Mail Marketing
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 20:21:49 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:21:49 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
In-Reply-To: <4BA82D5E.10203@darkstarpro.com>
References: <mailman.10.1269111604.20615.oeva-list@oeva.org> 
	<60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C31E56C9C87@JUNGLE.gresham.gov> 
	<4BA82D5E.10203@darkstarpro.com>
Message-ID: <8c28d7b51003222021p43884f6du2294a93a3a165e30@mail.gmail.com>

The email address to add to your whitelist is: nissan at my-nissanusa.com

I received an email on the 20th that said:

> The 100% electric, Zero Emission? Nissan LEAF? is coming soon. As demand
> for this vehicle builds, Nissan will be offering priority reservations for
> our friends that sign up on the Nissan LEAF Web site. Be sure to join us
> online and get on the list.


Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Chris Arnesen <chris at darkstarpro.com>wrote:

> I've signed up multiple times, as well as attended the Nissan event at
> Washington Square and signed up again.
>
> Nothing in the spam filters from Nissan either...
>
> Does anyone have the email address Nissan uses to send the messages? I
> can add them to my whitelist just to be sure...
>
> --Chris
>
> On 3/22/2010 9:42 AM, Marshall, Wendy wrote:
> > I also have signed up (twice) to be on the Nissan Leaf list, and have yet
> to receive an email.
> >
> > Wendy
> >
>
>
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From gary at whitecape.org  Mon Mar 22 21:19:17 2010
From: gary at whitecape.org (Gary Graunke)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:19:17 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf Pricing--battery life is more important
Message-ID: <4BA84145.6060303@whitecape.org>

One thing to remember is that we should expect the up-front price to be 
higher. Don't expect Nissan to give away their products, especially if 
the prospects for ongoing revenue over the lifetime of the car is lower. 
Recall (from Who Killed the Electric Car) that there not much service 
revenue to the car as well for the dealer. All of this is more than a 
bit disruptive for automakers.

In fact, I wondered why Nissan would do this. If you watch Carlos Ghosn 
at www.electrificationcoalition.org you can find the answer:  declining 
oil production globally will not support growth in the automotive 
industry to meet the rising demand in emerging economies, and electric 
cars are the best candidate for this increased growth. The old business 
model will not go away overnight, but will gradually decrease. Nissan 
believes that this will position them to be a leader in the growth areas 
while their old business begins to decline. I think other auto companies 
get this as well, but are still stalling to maximize their short-term 
profits. In some cases, at least, this has cost them dearly as they have 
waited to long to begin this transition.

Back to the price:  we want this to be a win-win deal for drivers as 
well as auto companies, since we want our cars to be supported by a 
viable company.
We need to focus on the total cost of ownership. You can add 
net-present-value to offset the initial higher price, but then you need 
to consider the durability of the car (especially the drive train), the 
fuel savings, and battery depreciation vs maintenance for a gas car.

I recently took my 10-year old Insight with 7 years of all-electric 
miles into the shop at Hawthorne Auto Clinic to have the brakes and 
other things checked. The brakes were fine--look again in 15K miles. 
They rotated the tires and replaced the brake fluid (it absorbs moisture 
over time). They tried to top up the radiator, but it didn't need it (it 
didn't need it 3 years ago when I tried). All of this cost $260--not a 
bad price to pay for maintenance. I have replaced 2 tires so far and 
lots of wiper blades. So add up the costs of all those oil changes, 
filters, etc, and other expensive repairs as the car gets older.

One big question is how long the batteries will last. The A123 cells 
that I use are good for 7000 cycles in the lab. On the road, they may be 
less. We know that being stored at higher temperatures is not good for 
LiIon battery life, but still need real-life data (which the first few 
years of deployment should help provide). If my 10 KWH last half as long 
as in the lab, that will be 250K miles. My high initial cost (for 
repackaging DeWalt power tool batteries purchased on ebay), is $1500 / 
KWH, about 2-3 times greater than the cost once Nissan's factory is in 
production. My cost for battery replacement: 6 cents per mile. I may 
have to become a taxi driver before they die of old age. ;-)

The fuel costs are 1.6 cents /mi at 10cents/KWH. The leaf should be 
around 2 cents/mi, but it might be lower for in-town driving. Your 
mileage may vary...  Don't forget the gas costs should rise at least 
gradually (if not abruptly) over the life of a new gas car. (In fact, 
you could consider this investment as a futures contract on the price of 
oil/gasoline. You can't get one for oil for more than 7 years out). 
Speaking of futures contracts, you can get one for electricity by buying 
solar panels.

We expect the car itself to (eventually in mass production) cost less 
than comparable ICE car, since there are a lot less components involved. 
Note however that all the network connectivity, navigation, and displays 
make it more like a top-end option package.

So I'm paying practically nothing for regular maintenance, 6 cents per 
mile for battery depreciation, and 2 cents for fuel. This is cheaper 
than just fuel for most cars.

All in all, I would expect the Leaf to have comparable, if not lower, 
total cost of ownership when you factor all these lifetime costs in. 
You'll be buying a new battery when most folks will be buying a new car 
(and maybe some seat covers). Of course, since batteries are getting 
twice as good every five years for the last two decades, you may replace 
the battery with a cheaper one for the same range or get more range for 
the same price. There is a good chance that we may trade in batteries 
sooner if a secondary market for old batteries for UPS or power shifting 
develops.

So I'm waiting like everyone else, but I'm more interested in the 
battery life than initial cost. We have credit unions and banks to solve 
the initial higher cost, but the battery life is the biggest factor in 
the total cost of ownership.

The expected lower total cost of ownership gives lots of $ to fund the 
higher initial cost. This will improve a lot as battery costs continue 
to fall exponentially, and oil prices continue an unending upward path 
due to structural demand increases from emerging economies.

Gary







From Rick.Durst at pgn.com  Tue Mar 23 02:07:32 2010
From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:07:32 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
Message-ID: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60D4F1E905A@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>

If you have signed up on Nissan's website and not received any e-mails and have already added the e-mail address to your white list, send your e-mail to jeffrey.hamman at pgn.com and we will see if we can get it to the right person at Nissan.

________________________________
From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org <oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org>
To: Chris Arnesen <chris at darkstarpro.com>; OEVA <oeva-list at oeva.org>
Sent: Mon Mar 22 20:21:49 2010
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing

The email address to add to your whitelist is: nissan at my-nissanusa.com<mailto:nissan at my-nissanusa.com>

I received an email on the 20th that said:
The 100% electric, Zero Emission? Nissan LEAF? is coming soon. As demand for this vehicle builds, Nissan will be offering priority reservations for our friends that sign up on the Nissan LEAF Web site. Be sure to join us online and get on the list.

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Chris Arnesen <chris at darkstarpro.com<mailto:chris at darkstarpro.com>> wrote:
I've signed up multiple times, as well as attended the Nissan event at
Washington Square and signed up again.

Nothing in the spam filters from Nissan either...

Does anyone have the email address Nissan uses to send the messages? I
can add them to my whitelist just to be sure...

--Chris

On 3/22/2010 9:42 AM, Marshall, Wendy wrote:
> I also have signed up (twice) to be on the Nissan Leaf list, and have yet to receive an email.
>
> Wendy
>


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From Wendy.Marshall at greshamoregon.gov  Tue Mar 23 07:18:26 2010
From: Wendy.Marshall at greshamoregon.gov (Marshall, Wendy)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:18:26 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing
In-Reply-To: <4BA82D5E.10203@darkstarpro.com>
References: <mailman.10.1269111604.20615.oeva-list@oeva.org>
	<60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C31E56C9C87@JUNGLE.gresham.gov>
	<4BA82D5E.10203@darkstarpro.com>
Message-ID: <60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C31E56C9C9B@JUNGLE.gresham.gov>

Yesterday I finally received an email from Nissan, but it was just a regular ad.

Wendy

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Arnesen [mailto:chris at darkstarpro.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 7:54 PM
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] LEAF Pricing

I've signed up multiple times, as well as attended the Nissan event at 
Washington Square and signed up again.

Nothing in the spam filters from Nissan either...

Does anyone have the email address Nissan uses to send the messages? I 
can add them to my whitelist just to be sure...

--Chris

On 3/22/2010 9:42 AM, Marshall, Wendy wrote:
> I also have signed up (twice) to be on the Nissan Leaf list, and have yet to receive an email.
>
> Wendy
>    






From tony at notebene.net  Tue Mar 23 07:47:25 2010
From: tony at notebene.net (Tony McCormick)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:47:25 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf Pricing--battery life is more important
In-Reply-To: <4BA84145.6060303@whitecape.org>
References: <4BA84145.6060303@whitecape.org>
Message-ID: <94952bf11003230747n65c88cd7hfd068a4db71890d8@mail.gmail.com>

Well thought out and written as always, Gary!

Tony McCormick
www.mi-squared.com
503-564-4670


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Gary Graunke <gary at whitecape.org> wrote:

> One thing to remember is that we should expect the up-front price to be
> higher. Don't expect Nissan to give away their products, especially if
> the prospects for ongoing revenue over the lifetime of the car is lower.
> Recall (from Who Killed the Electric Car) that there not much service
> revenue to the car as well for the dealer. All of this is more than a
> bit disruptive for automakers.
>
> <snip>
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From morbiusx1 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 26 12:46:11 2010
From: morbiusx1 at hotmail.com (mark barthemer)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:46:11 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] 'New' Battery Hype - Does it sound realistic?
Message-ID: <BAY136-W1353FEF7BF0CF9E6A3DD98FB230@phx.gbl>


A piece in Gizmag touts a 'new' Lithium battery, claiming "98% efficiency."  I'm no expert, so I'm skeptical, as are some of the article's commentators, but I pass it along for whatever it may be worth - one Utah EV builder has expressed interest.  Here's the address: 

  http://www.gizmag.com/ecolocap-nano-lithium-battery/14609/

Enjoy!  MWP
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox.
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 27 01:35:10 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 01:35:10 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Please sign up in poll to help at the Energy Trust
	Better Living Show at the Portland Expo Center
In-Reply-To: <20100310.124451.994.33631@mailpop01.dca.untd.com>
References: <20100310.124451.994.33631@mailpop01.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <8c28d7b51003270135m763c44beid096cafe223f4c97@mail.gmail.com>

The OEVA will be at the Better Living Show this weekend.

We still need people for the Sunday 11AM - 1PM shift. Can you help?
http://www.doodle.com/zgqdm8bcbhsqne39

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:44 PM, paburkey <paburkey at juno.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Please go to the poll to sign up help at the Energy Trust Better Living
> Show at the Portland Expo Center.
> Need three or more for Saturday in the middle of the day because of the
> many people attending.
> For the other times two or more would help.
> http://www.doodle.com/zgqdm8bcbhsqne39
>
> Thank you,
> Paul Burkey
> OEVA Ongoing Events Chair
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat!
> http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210
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From pusa411 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 27 22:01:00 2010
From: pusa411 at gmail.com (PREMIUM-USA)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 01:01:00 -0400
Subject: [Oeva-list] NANO LI SPECS?
Message-ID: <793086121003272201q74714305kbc6af1f3f0f7b2d2@mail.gmail.com>

Any one found the size, weight, cycles..?

I'm sure an arm and leg as well.....

THX..
            Daniel T "Bubba" Conway
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 27 23:39:41 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:39:41 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Better Living Show 2010
Message-ID: <8c28d7b51003272339l5b9784eal48be154e3d07f623@mail.gmail.com>

Photos from the OEVA at the Better Living Show. Stop by on Sunday and say
hi, if you are in the area.
http://bit.ly/bG48aN

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
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From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Sun Mar 28 15:05:28 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:05:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Too Many Lithium Batteries?
Message-ID: <ad696ec3626b10af4dc79a7109d0d78e.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1043263_too-many-lithium-batteries-and-battery-makers-by-2014





From garry at europa.com  Sun Mar 28 16:07:38 2010
From: garry at europa.com (garry painter)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:07:38 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Too Many Lithium Batteries?
In-Reply-To: <ad696ec3626b10af4dc79a7109d0d78e.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>
References: <ad696ec3626b10af4dc79a7109d0d78e.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>
Message-ID: <19A4800D-D5CD-4DC2-BBE9-93A9E1531D39@europa.com>

Sounds like their bad news is good news for us :)

http://www.rolandberger.com/news/2010-03-09-rbsc-news- 
Batteryovercapacity.html

The share of electrified powertrains will increase significantly in  
all major automotive markets, a development driven by dramatic  
battery cost decreases over the next 10 years. According to Roland  
Berger experts, planned investments will result in significant  
overcapacity between 2014 and 2017, especially in the US and in Japan.

On Mar 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, gfifield at onlinenw.com wrote:

> http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1043263_too-many-lithium- 
> batteries-and-battery-makers-by-2014
>
>
>
>
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 21:17:42 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:17:42 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Prices Electric Leaf at $40,600 :: WSJ
Message-ID: <8c28d7b51003292117m2a4c36c8j7a597dba66afd2d6@mail.gmail.com>

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575152692487691272.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


Subscription required. But you can see the title and is tells a lot.

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 21:21:39 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:21:39 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Prices Electric Leaf at $40,600 :: WSJ
In-Reply-To: <8c28d7b51003292117m2a4c36c8j7a597dba66afd2d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c28d7b51003292117m2a4c36c8j7a597dba66afd2d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8c28d7b51003292121w1bc6c9b8ma88c692286cd7d9a@mail.gmail.com>

This was again the price in Japan, not the US. Sorry.

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:17 PM, <patrick0101 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575152692487691272.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
>
>
> Subscription required. But you can see the title and is tells a lot.
>
> Regards,
> Pat
> Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
>
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From phil at hochstetler.com  Tue Mar 30 08:36:11 2010
From: phil at hochstetler.com (phil hochstetler)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:36:11 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf priced at $32,780
Message-ID: <37a5993b1003300836n5d90ff94oc338c2b3ff23ad53@mail.gmail.com>

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20001408-54.html

Lease is $349/month. The $32,780 price is before any federal and state
incentives.  This is better than I expected.
--phil


From gary.graunke at intel.com  Tue Mar 30 10:32:04 2010
From: gary.graunke at intel.com (Graunke, Gary)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:04 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] FW: Eugene people take this survey on EVs - please
Message-ID: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E97295EE26440@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com>

For those of you further down the valley, please help locate charging stations by filling out this survey.

Gary

________________________________
From: Paul Scott [mailto:paul at pluginamerica.org]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: Eugene people take this survey on EVs - please

Hey all,

If you are in Eugene, or close by, please take this survey on charging infrastructure in Eugene.

www.surveymonkey.com/s/electricvehicles<http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/electricvehicles>

And more here: http://www.theevproject.com/

Paul
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From gary at whitecape.org  Tue Mar 30 12:41:12 2010
From: gary at whitecape.org (Gary Graunke)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:41:12 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] [Fwd: Nissan LEAF News: the priority reservation period
	is coming]
Message-ID: <4BB253D8.20806@whitecape.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Nissan LEAF News: the priority reservation period is coming
Date: 	Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:45:16 PDT
From: 	Nissan <nissan at nissan.p0.com>
Reply-To: 	Nissan.6zw2plwzkg.fqbp at nissan.p0.com
To: 	Gary Graunke <gary at whitecape.org>



Gary, get ready to reserve your Nissan LEAF.
to view in web browser, click here 
<http://link.p0.com/t.d?U4GpbqrFZPSrB9=/@HTML_2PREVIEW_2LINK_0a=cCSlmesYDRoA5ryNqiQ0MQ1E>. 

<http://link.p0.com/u.d?d4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqQW=221>
it's almost time. the priority reservation period for the 100% electric, 
zero emission Nissan LEAF is about to begin. so don't miss your 
opportunity. stay in tune with our upcoming e-mails and before you know 
it you'll be enjoying life with no tailpipe, no emissions and no need 
for gas ever again.

learn more about the Nissan LEAF 
<http://link.p0.com/u.d?JYGpbqrFZPSrB985iqTG=381>




		
a piece of history made affordable
learn the very reasonable price of the new Nissan LEAF. simply use the 
link below to visit the website and see the price.

get pricing <http://link.p0.com/u.d?B4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqS7=391>



		Share your love for the environment 
<http://nissan.p0.com/ftaf-index2.jsp?s=ZYis&i=655390912453>
as a registered LEAF enthusiast, you will be given
priority to reserve a vehicle for yourself. want to get a
friend on that list? forward this email to get them started.
Connect with us <http://link.p0.com/u.d?I4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqRh=51> 	 
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<http://link.p0.com/u.d?d4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqSw=401>



Learn about zero emission 
<http://link.p0.com/u.d?KYGpbqrFZPSrB985iqS1=411> 		See the car 
<http://link.p0.com/u.d?E4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqSq=421> 		Our vision 
<http://link.p0.com/u.d?CYGpbqrFZPSrB985iqSv=431> 		NissanUsa.com 
<http://link.p0.com/u.d?AYGpbqrFZPSrB985iqSk=441>
 


*For tailpipe emissions

Always wear your seat belt, and please don't drink and drive. ?2010 
Nissan North America, Inc.

If your e-mail address has changed, please click here 
<http://link.p0.com/u.d?H4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqQt=171> to update it.

If you do not wish to receive marketing e-mails from Nissan in the 
future, click here <http://link.p0.com/u.d?EYGpbqrFZPSrB985iqQi=181> and 
unsubscribe by submitting the e-mail address you want to have removed 
from our list.

To view Nissan's privacy policy, click here 
<http://link.p0.com/u.d?d4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqQn=191>.

Nissan E-Mail Marketing
8900 Freeport Parkway
Irving, TX 75063

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From Terrance.Larsson at planar.com  Tue Mar 30 13:32:38 2010
From: Terrance.Larsson at planar.com (Terrance Larsson)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:32:38 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf
Message-ID: <682441F31ADB8842A49EE1B448EF8C330B313255@MSXBEBVT02.planar.net>

I think this is really fantastic news, only $23,780 after tax credit.
Can't wait to get one.


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From nickgaladay at msn.com  Tue Mar 30 15:36:14 2010
From: nickgaladay at msn.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:36:14 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Leaf @ $32,780
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1269975606.90567.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.7.1269975606.90567.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2760E05FE7F8B2376AF76FBD1F0@phx.gbl>

How much is the state of Oregon willing to subsidize to get me into a Leaf
after the feds pony up their $7,500?  

This price is worse than I expected, by a couple of thousand anyway...
Where do you think their price will be in a couple of years?  If they sell
like hotcakes the economies of scale start to kick in - will we see those
savings?  Or will the increased demand enable them to raise their prices
(witness the Miata at introduction selling for list plus 20%)?   If it
flops, on the other hand, they may start to drop the price in an effort to
stimulate a market, or they may cut their losses, bail on the project (RAV-4
EV) and raise the price to try to recover more of their R&D losses.  If they
actually start to deliver by December of 2010 I think they'll have the
market to themselves.  But otherwise, my crystal ball is broke...  Should I
wait, or jump on this like a chicken on a junebug to encourage the revolt
for my grandkids' and the environment's sake.  I've been literally waiting
for this day since the early 60s!

P.S:  I'm now reading "Who Turned Out the Lights" and "Physics for Future
Presidents", both good reads.

   Nick Galaday
   Vernonia, OR 
            Energy conservation--
????                 saves more than energy!


Message: 3
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:36:11 -0700
From: phil hochstetler <phil at hochstetler.com>
Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf priced at $32,780
To: OEVA <oeva-list at oeva.org>
Message-ID:
	<37a5993b1003300836n5d90ff94oc338c2b3ff23ad53 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20001408-54.html

Lease is $349/month. The $32,780 price is before any federal and state
incentives.  This is better than I expected.
--phil






From jeff.shorepower at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 16:05:30 2010
From: jeff.shorepower at gmail.com (Jeff Kim)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:05:30 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Leaf @ $32,780
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP2760E05FE7F8B2376AF76FBD1F0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.7.1269975606.90567.oeva-list@oeva.org>
	<BLU0-SMTP2760E05FE7F8B2376AF76FBD1F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <83b7b17c1003301605r4a6273fnb2ac8fc2ca44bb8@mail.gmail.com>

GM is supposedly trying to be first out of the gate with the Volt, but your
guess is as good as mine.

The Oregon tax credit is worth $1,500 and is administered by the Oregon
Department of Energy.

Jeff
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Nick <nickgaladay at msn.com> wrote:

> How much is the state of Oregon willing to subsidize to get me into a Leaf
> after the feds pony up their $7,500?
>
> This price is worse than I expected, by a couple of thousand anyway...
> Where do you think their price will be in a couple of years?  If they sell
> like hotcakes the economies of scale start to kick in - will we see those
> savings?  Or will the increased demand enable them to raise their prices
> (witness the Miata at introduction selling for list plus 20%)?   If it
> flops, on the other hand, they may start to drop the price in an effort to
> stimulate a market, or they may cut their losses, bail on the project
> (RAV-4
> EV) and raise the price to try to recover more of their R&D losses.  If
> they
> actually start to deliver by December of 2010 I think they'll have the
> market to themselves.  But otherwise, my crystal ball is broke...  Should I
> wait, or jump on this like a chicken on a junebug to encourage the revolt
> for my grandkids' and the environment's sake.  I've been literally waiting
> for this day since the early 60s!
>
> P.S:  I'm now reading "Who Turned Out the Lights" and "Physics for Future
> Presidents", both good reads.
>
>   Nick Galaday
>   Vernonia, OR
>            Energy conservation--
>                      saves more than energy!
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:36:11 -0700
> From: phil hochstetler <phil at hochstetler.com>
> Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf priced at $32,780
> To: OEVA <oeva-list at oeva.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <37a5993b1003300836n5d90ff94oc338c2b3ff23ad53 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20001408-54.html
>
> Lease is $349/month. The $32,780 price is before any federal and state
> incentives.  This is better than I expected.
> --phil
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 16:12:26 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:12:26 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf priced at $32,780
In-Reply-To: <37a5993b1003300836n5d90ff94oc338c2b3ff23ad53@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37a5993b1003300836n5d90ff94oc338c2b3ff23ad53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8c28d7b51003301612n4eb44d4cwe6ead02e9c862585@mail.gmail.com>

With the $7500 federal incentives on the first 200,000 and the $1500 Oregon
state incentive, that is:
$32,780 - $9,000 = $23,780 pretty good.

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:36 AM, phil hochstetler <phil at hochstetler.com>wrote:

> http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20001408-54.html
>
> Lease is $349/month. The $32,780 price is before any federal and state
> incentives.  This is better than I expected.
> --phil
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
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From Wendy.Marshall at greshamoregon.gov  Tue Mar 30 16:44:03 2010
From: Wendy.Marshall at greshamoregon.gov (Marshall, Wendy)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:44:03 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] [Fwd: Nissan LEAF News: the priority reservation
 period	is coming]
In-Reply-To: <4BB253D8.20806@whitecape.org>
References: <4BB253D8.20806@whitecape.org>
Message-ID: <60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C31E56C9D0F@JUNGLE.gresham.gov>

I got this email too.  But I still see no evidence of actually being on a list, only the elusive promise that there may be some list somewhere.  I find it hard to believe they will actually be ready to take orders in 3 weeks!

Wendy


From: Gary Graunke [mailto:gary at whitecape.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:41 PM
To: OEVA
Subject: [Oeva-list] [Fwd: Nissan LEAF News: the priority reservation period is coming]



-------- Original Message --------
Subject:

Nissan LEAF News: the priority reservation period is coming

Date:

Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:45:16 PDT

From:

Nissan <nissan at nissan.p0.com><mailto:nissan at nissan.p0.com>

Reply-To:

Nissan.6zw2plwzkg.fqbp at nissan.p0.com<mailto:Nissan.6zw2plwzkg.fqbp at nissan.p0.com>

To:

Gary Graunke <gary at whitecape.org><mailto:gary at whitecape.org>




Gary, get ready to reserve your Nissan LEAF.
to view in web browser, click here<http://link.p0.com/t.d?U4GpbqrFZPSrB9=/@HTML_2PREVIEW_2LINK_0a=cCSlmesYDRoA5ryNqiQ0MQ1E>.

[cid:image002.jpg at 01CAD028.33692B00]<http://link.p0.com/u.d?d4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqQW=221>

it's almost time. the priority reservation period for the 100% electric, zero emission Nissan LEAF is about to begin. so don't miss your opportunity. stay in tune with our upcoming e-mails and before you know it you'll be enjoying life with no tailpipe, no emissions and no need for gas ever again.

learn more about the Nissan LEAF<http://link.p0.com/u.d?JYGpbqrFZPSrB985iqTG=381>







[cid:image006.jpg at 01CAD028.33692B00]



a piece of history made affordable
learn the very reasonable price of the new Nissan LEAF. simply use the link below to visit the website and see the price.

get pricing<http://link.p0.com/u.d?B4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqS7=391>







[cid:image010.jpg at 01CAD028.33692B00]



[cid:image013.jpg at 01CAD028.33692B00]<http://nissan.p0.com/ftaf-index2.jsp?s=ZYis&i=655390912453>
as a registered LEAF enthusiast, you will be given
priority to reserve a vehicle for yourself. want to get a
friend on that list? forward this email to get them started.

[cid:image014.jpg at 01CAD028.33692B00]<http://link.p0.com/u.d?I4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqRh=51>



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[cid:image025.jpg at 01CAD028.33692B00]<http://link.p0.com/u.d?AYGpbqrFZPSrB985iqSk=441>





*For tailpipe emissions

Always wear your seat belt, and please don't drink and drive. (c)2010 Nissan North America, Inc.

If your e-mail address has changed, please click here<http://link.p0.com/u.d?H4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqQt=171> to update it.

If you do not wish to receive marketing e-mails from Nissan in the future, click here<http://link.p0.com/u.d?EYGpbqrFZPSrB985iqQi=181> and unsubscribe by submitting the e-mail address you want to have removed from our list.

To view Nissan's privacy policy, click here<http://link.p0.com/u.d?d4GpbqrFZPSrB985iqQn=191>.

Nissan E-Mail Marketing
8900 Freeport Parkway
Irving, TX 75063


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From pusa411 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 00:52:50 2010
From: pusa411 at gmail.com (PREMIUM-USA)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 03:52:50 -0400
Subject: [Oeva-list] PHEV Tax Exemption
Message-ID: <u2r793086121003310052x7e6d55d8s9a5593a994aeb36e@mail.gmail.com>

WA residents can exempt the sales tax on the first $40k on new sales  PHEV

So, on $33K, a $2145 savings. ie, 6.5%

Here by the state:
http://action.pluginamerica.org/t/5960/content.jsp?content_KEY=5545
...

THX..
            Daniel T "Bubba" Conway
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From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Wed Mar 31 11:27:15 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Electric And Hybrid Vehicle Technologies Charge Ahead
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Electronic Design article:

Electric And Hybrid Vehicle Technologies Charge Ahead
By Roger Allan

March 25, 2010

http://electronicdesign.com/article/power/electric_and_hybrid_vehicle_technologies_charge_ahead.aspx





From frodus17 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 14:17:16 2010
From: frodus17 at gmail.com (Travis Gintz)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:17:16 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Green Day in Sherwood, EV's Wanted
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OEVA,

My friend that works for the City of Sherwood is organizing a Green Day in
Sherwood on Saturday April 24th, 2010 from 1pm to 5pm.

She asked me if I knew anyone that might have an EV, so I figured it would
be a great opportunity for a few people to show off their car.

They need:
One or two EV's
Someone with their car for the entire event to answer questions
setup is at noon
Parked at the Bank parking lot on Asphault

If anyone is interested, please Email me frodus17 at gmail.com

Regards,
Travis Gintz
Http://blog.evfr.net/
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From alan at batie.org  Wed Mar 31 22:25:00 2010
From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:25:00 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Leaf @ $32,780
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On 3/30/10 3:36 PM, Nick wrote:

> This price is worse than I expected, by a couple of thousand anyway...

I'll probably go for the $350/mo lease, especially since it's new,
quickly changing, tech.  The LEAF could meet 90% of my needs, renting a
gas car for the few times a year I need one, considerably cheaper than a
volt and all electric...

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