From gary.graunke at intel.com  Tue May  4 10:35:43 2010
From: gary.graunke at intel.com (Graunke, Gary)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 10:35:43 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Signing up for the DOE study from the Nissan Leaf site
Message-ID: <9662F248D13E8C45B097A77F005E972965F49DC7@orsmsx503.amr.corp.intel.com>

Most of us who signed up for the Nissan Leaf also signed up for the DOE study.  9 responded "yes", and 4 "no" to my mini-survey.

John Christian followed up and found out how those who missed can still sign up.  Those of us that signed up can't do this-there are only 2 links on our "my account" page (cancel, find a dealer).  If you find the first of 3 links, it should take you to the study questionnaire.

Gary

PS, rumor has it that so far 12000 people have signed up nationwide, and 8000 are in Washington, Oregon, and Northern California.

>From John....
Here is all anyone needs to do:
Go to this link:
http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/


-          Click on the "sign in / register" link in the lower left-hand corner

-          Sign in.

-          Click on the "My Account" link in the lower left-hand corner of that window

o        This will take you back to that final screen that shows your reservation number.

o        The first of the 3 links on the lower half of that window is the one that allows you to sign up for the free charger.

I went there and it took me through the full set of questions about garage, commute, and panel configurations.

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From nickgaladay at msn.com  Tue May  4 13:11:10 2010
From: nickgaladay at msn.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 13:11:10 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Signing up for the DOE study from the Nissan Leaf
	site
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1272999605.66929.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.11.1272999605.66929.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP6337E0492B5DB680EA14ABBDF30@phx.gbl>

Not so fast misters Graunke and Christian!  When I get to the Leaf page that
has my reservation number, I'm only given two choices, not three.  It
appears they don't think I'm worthy of the first of the three links to which
you refer.  I'm only invited to either cancel my reservation or locate a
dealer.  I believe eTec only invited some of us from certain ZIP codes, or
possibly those anticipating getting more use out of their Leaf.  Being
retired I allowed as I'd only use it around 400 miles per month.  It's too
late now to go back and e-lie or e-move.  The good folks at eTec have not
responded to my query on this matter.  Nissan couldn't tell me the criteria
that was used but said it was eTec's call.  E-nough.

   Nick Galaday
   Vernonia, OR 97064
            Energy conservation--
????                 saves more than energy!

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Most of us who signed up for the Nissan Leaf also signed up for the DOE
study.  9 responded "yes", and 4 "no" to my mini-survey.

John Christian followed up and found out how those who missed can still sign
up.  Those of us that signed up can't do this-there are only 2 links on our
"my account" page (cancel, find a dealer).  If you find the first of 3
links, it should take you to the study questionnaire.

Gary

PS, rumor has it that so far 12000 people have signed up nationwide, and
8000 are in Washington, Oregon, and Northern California.

>From John....
Here is all anyone needs to do:
Go to this link:
http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/


-          Click on the "sign in / register" link in the lower left-hand
corner

-          Sign in.

-          Click on the "My Account" link in the lower left-hand corner of
that window

o        This will take you back to that final screen that shows your
reservation number.

o        The first of the 3 links on the lower half of that window is the
one that allows you to sign up for the free charger.

I went there and it took me through the full set of questions about garage,
commute, and panel configurations.


End of Oeva-list Digest, Vol 79, Issue 1
****************************************




From nickgaladay at msn.com  Tue May  4 15:12:22 2010
From: nickgaladay at msn.com (Nick)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 15:12:22 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] US Postal Service rates to increase!
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP80EC348CDAC76EF4CB704FBDF30@phx.gbl>

 

I must share this tale.  About two months ago I sent a recommendation to the
USPS via their website that they consider rolling in electric vehicles to
replace their ICE vehicles as they retire them.  Subsequently I got two
emails each saying the suggestion was being passed on to someone better
suited to address my concerns, then nothing.  I hadn't heard a peep for
nearly a month.  So I mentioned my letter to my mailman..  You guessed it;
the National USPS folks had forwarded my suggestion on to the highest
authority they could find to make such a decision, none other than the
Vernonia post office, 97064!  That's why we will all soon have to give up
Saturday deliveries!

   Nick Galaday

        Vernonia, OR 97064

            Energy conservation--

                     saves more than energy!

 

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From john.p.christian at gmail.com  Wed May  5 13:10:54 2010
From: john.p.christian at gmail.com (John Christian)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 13:10:54 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] May OEVA meeting - Change of venue
Message-ID: <i2ma12098091005051310w97ad71b5q79252c89007b2228@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,

Based on input from the board and various memebers, we are going to have our
regular monthly at the Nissan Dealership in Wilsonville for this month only.

Herer are the details:
Tonkin Wilsonville
Nissan<http://www.tonkinwilsonvillenissan.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Location.Detail&LocationID=236&>
26700 SW 95th Avenue
Wilsonville, OR 97070
503-258-6140
 [ Get Directions /
Map<http://www.tonkinwilsonvillenissan.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=location.default#>
 ]

7:00 p.m. Thursday May 13th.

We will have all the usual attractions:
- EV Cruise-in - starts at 6:30 p.m.
- Refreshments (supplied by the dealership)
- Charging stations

And featuring a presentation by Joel Fowler, Sales Manager and Nissan
Leaf dealer specialist. He will be providing an explanation of Nissan's
plans to support the sale and delivery of these EVs through the dealership
and the dealerships updates and changes to service and support EVs.

I know this is not very convenient for some. And I know that this makes it
easier for others. I know it will be a fun time, interesting and something
totally new for the club. Please make your best effort to join us. I know we
will have a great meeting.


Thank you,
-- 
John P. Christian
OEVA Chairman

Please consider the environment before printing this message.
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Fri May  7 01:21:45 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 01:21:45 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] May OEVA meeting - Change of venue
In-Reply-To: <i2ma12098091005051310w97ad71b5q79252c89007b2228@mail.gmail.com>
References: <i2ma12098091005051310w97ad71b5q79252c89007b2228@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <w2i8c28d7b51005070121u9d17346y351b781e85ab1961@mail.gmail.com>

I hope we have a big turn out for this meeting next week. I believe that we
must support the launch of this generation of EVs to help move the world to
plug in transportation. It is important for our environment and it is
important for national security. The dealership is reaching out to us and
making this offer, if the OEVA cannot get excited about it, what chance is
there for the general public. Even though this is not our normal meeting
location, please attend. If you have friends that are curious about EV or
the Leaf, bring them along.

Do you need a ride? Let's coordinate some carpooling.

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, John Christian
<john.p.christian at gmail.com>wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> Based on input from the board and various memebers, we are going to have
> our regular monthly at the Nissan Dealership in Wilsonville for this month
> only.
>
> Herer are the details:
> Tonkin Wilsonville Nissan<http://www.tonkinwilsonvillenissan.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Location.Detail&LocationID=236&>
> 26700 SW 95th Avenue
> Wilsonville, OR 97070
> 503-258-6140
>  [ Get Directions / Map<http://www.tonkinwilsonvillenissan.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=location.default#>
>  ]
>
> 7:00 p.m. Thursday May 13th.
>
> We will have all the usual attractions:
> - EV Cruise-in - starts at 6:30 p.m.
> - Refreshments (supplied by the dealership)
> - Charging stations
>
> And featuring a presentation by Joel Fowler, Sales Manager and Nissan
> Leaf dealer specialist. He will be providing an explanation of Nissan's
> plans to support the sale and delivery of these EVs through the dealership
> and the dealerships updates and changes to service and support EVs.
>
> I know this is not very convenient for some. And I know that this makes it
> easier for others. I know it will be a fun time, interesting and something
> totally new for the club. Please make your best effort to join us. I know we
> will have a great meeting.
>
>
> Thank you,
> --
> John P. Christian
> OEVA Chairman
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this message.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
>
>
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Fri May  7 02:07:52 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 02:07:52 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] [seva] Leaf's Tiny Solar Spoiler (was Color Options)
In-Reply-To: <MMLID_10453-C8C3DE221812481FBA714D283194948A@HomePC>
References: <MMLID_84948-q2n793086121004211816xdf9d50ccubd2217ecff1fbc29@mail.gmail.com>
	<MMLID_10453-C8C3DE221812481FBA714D283194948A@HomePC>
Message-ID: <j2q8c28d7b51005070207uaafd532ey458558f5fd545fa@mail.gmail.com>

I would agree that Nissan does listen. I was lucky and met with several
Nissan folks early in this project. They asked several questions of me as an
EV driver and I had several suggestions. Here are some of the things that I
suggested:


   1. For a BEV, have a 100+ mile range. Most people don't need 100 miles,
   by hitting triple digits is a significant psychological point.
   2. If you want high volume, start with a 4-door, not a 2 door or a micro
   car, these are niche. Compare the Prius to the first gen Insight, one made
   it big, one died.
   3. Have a specific EV model, not an "electric Altima" or "electric Cube".
   Compare Prius vs Hybrid Camry, Prius sells far better. Early adopters,
   especially, are going to want a badge they can rally behind, not a sub
   brand.
   4. Solar panel option: I show my EV off several times per year and at
   nearly every event someone suggests putting a solar panel on there so you
   can "drive forever". I used to walk through the math with them, now I just
   smile and say I'll look into that. So unless they want to hear that same
   suggestion over and over, have a solar panel option, even if it is only a
   token.
   5. Have an in-dash navigation system that is "Battery Smart". Meaning
   that it knows your SOC, location, destination,  and route, and it tells you
   an estimated SOC on arrival. It should also suggest charging points along
   your route as needed. Additionally, have a prominent "find nearest charging
   station" button on the nav system.
   6. Partner with someone like ZipCar for occasional gasser rental needs
   (and try to get EVs into their program).
   7. Partner with AAA for added peace of mind.

I'm sure I am far from the only one to suggest many of these things, but it
is nice to see most of these are in the LEAF.

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Daniel Davids <ddavids at seanet.com> wrote:

>  The spoiler-integrated solar panel provides a trickle charge to the
> Leaf's 12v accessory battery. That's all it does, besides looking cool, of
> course.
>
> On our recent trip to Nissan in TN, we were told that the necessity of
> keeping the 12v battery up to snuff was a signal they heard very clearly
> during interviews two years ago with members of Plug In America. So they
> came up with the solar charger idea. We had no idea what they had in the
> works.
>
> Nissan listens to its customers. All hail, Nissan!
>
>  - Dan
>
>
>
> *From:* PREMIUM-USA <pusa411 at gmail.com>
>  *To:* Oeva-list at oeva.org
> *Cc:* SEVA <seva at seattleeva.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:16 PM
> *Subject:* [seva] Color Options
>
> Pat on OEVA just mentioned 3 colors when he reserved, I wanted the Quick
> Charge,
> so SL was a must, don't know *the value of that tiny solar spoiler..*
> I also did my 99 around noon today, the 21st.. Oops I did not see the E.
> Wanted to show off a sexy Electric with all the goodies we can find or make
> for it..
> 5x colors to choose from, Red and Black in addition to the 3x he saw,
> White, Silver and Blue.
> I clicked on the Free charger too..
>
> Oh, has anyone found a good reference for low rolling resistance
> siliconized tires..?
>
> THX..
>             Daniel T "Bubba" Conway
>
> Premium-EV
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Visit the SEVA website at http://www.seattleeva.org
> Our New Forums are at http://www.seattleeva.org/smf
> If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to
> list2008 at seattleeva.org with a subject of: unsubscribe seva
>
>
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From rbstewert at gmail.com  Fri May  7 06:35:11 2010
From: rbstewert at gmail.com (Bob Stewert)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 06:35:11 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] [seva] Leaf's Tiny Solar Spoiler (was Color Options)
In-Reply-To: <j2q8c28d7b51005070207uaafd532ey458558f5fd545fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MMLID_84948-q2n793086121004211816xdf9d50ccubd2217ecff1fbc29@mail.gmail.com>
	<MMLID_10453-C8C3DE221812481FBA714D283194948A@HomePC>
	<j2q8c28d7b51005070207uaafd532ey458558f5fd545fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B47DFF4B-E365-44C5-98F7-4AE609A855F1@gmail.com>

Patrick,
EXCELLENT SUGGESTIONS!
Bob




On May 7, 2010, at 2:07 AM, patrick0101 at gmail.com wrote:

> I would agree that Nissan does listen. I was lucky and met with several Nissan folks early in this project. They asked several questions of me as an EV driver and I had several suggestions. Here are some of the things that I suggested: 
> 
> For a BEV, have a 100+ mile range. Most people don't need 100 miles, by hitting triple digits is a significant psychological point. 
> If you want high volume, start with a 4-door, not a 2 door or a micro car, these are niche. Compare the Prius to the first gen Insight, one made it big, one died.
> Have a specific EV model, not an "electric Altima" or "electric Cube". Compare Prius vs Hybrid Camry, Prius sells far better. Early adopters, especially, are going to want a badge they can rally behind, not a sub brand. 
> Solar panel option: I show my EV off several times per year and at nearly every event someone suggests putting a solar panel on there so you can "drive forever". I used to walk through the math with them, now I just smile and say I'll look into that. So unless they want to hear that same suggestion over and over, have a solar panel option, even if it is only a token. 
> Have an in-dash navigation system that is "Battery Smart". Meaning that it knows your SOC, location, destination,  and route, and it tells you an estimated SOC on arrival. It should also suggest charging points along your route as needed. Additionally, have a prominent "find nearest charging station" button on the nav system.
> Partner with someone like ZipCar for occasional gasser rental needs (and try to get EVs into their program). 
> Partner with AAA for added peace of mind. 
> I'm sure I am far from the only one to suggest many of these things, but it is nice to see most of these are in the LEAF. 
> 
> Regards,
> Pat
> Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Daniel Davids <ddavids at seanet.com> wrote:
> The spoiler-integrated solar panel provides a trickle charge to the Leaf's 12v accessory battery. That's all it does, besides looking cool, of course.
>  
> On our recent trip to Nissan in TN, we were told that the necessity of keeping the 12v battery up to snuff was a signal they heard very clearly during interviews two years ago with members of Plug In America. So they came up with the solar charger idea. We had no idea what they had in the works.
>  
> Nissan listens to its customers. All hail, Nissan!
>  
>  - Dan
>  
>  
>  
> From: PREMIUM-USA
> To: Oeva-list at oeva.org
> Cc: SEVA
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:16 PM
> Subject: [seva] Color Options
> 
> Pat on OEVA just mentioned 3 colors when he reserved, I wanted the Quick Charge, 
> so SL was a must, don't know the value of that tiny solar spoiler..
> I also did my 99 around noon today, the 21st.. Oops I did not see the E.
> Wanted to show off a sexy Electric with all the goodies we can find or make for it..
> 5x colors to choose from, Red and Black in addition to the 3x he saw, White, Silver and Blue.
> I clicked on the Free charger too.. 
> 
> Oh, has anyone found a good reference for low rolling resistance siliconized tires..?
> 
> THX..
>             Daniel T "Bubba" Conway 
> 
> Premium-EV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Visit the SEVA website at http://www.seattleeva.org
> Our New Forums are at http://www.seattleeva.org/smf
> If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to
> list2008 at seattleeva.org with a subject of: unsubscribe seva
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list

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From strom at cecs.pdx.edu  Fri May  7 07:19:12 2010
From: strom at cecs.pdx.edu (Dan Hammerstrom)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:19:12 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Oregon's Electric Vehicle Initiative
Message-ID: <5371467F-27C8-47F1-8BE7-BA325277318F@cecs.pdx.edu>


> From: "George K. Beard" <georgekbeard at gmail.com>
> Date: May 4, 2010 7:52:56 AM PDT
> Subject: You're invited to E.V. ROAD MAP 2: AN UPDATE ON OREGON'S ELECTRIC VEHICLE INITIATIVE
> 
> Portland General Electric, Portland State University, and the Oregon Transportation Research & Education Consortium are pleased to invite you to E.V. ROAD MAP 2: AN UPDATE ON OREGON'S ELECTRIC VEHICLE INITIATIVE
> 
> E.V. Road Map 2 is a half-day event designed to inform and engage those with a policy, planning, implementation or reporting role who are actively involved with, or focusing on, the arrival of next-generation electric vehicles and charging stations.  
> 
> DATE, TIME AND PLACE
> 
> Friday, June 11, 2010
> 8:00 a.m. to 1:30 p.m.
> Auditorium, World Trade Center, Portland, Oregon
> 
> PROGRAM GOALS
> 
> Attendees at E.V. Road Map 2 will:
> Be introduced to the business and strategic arguments for transportation electrification.  
> Discover how one leading international city has deployed its charging network, including DC fast chargers, and what it could mean to us here in the Pacific Northwest
> Receive the latest information on The E.V. Project by eTec
> Contemplate the prospects for a ?green highway? from Eugene up to Vancouver, B.C.
> Learn the latest on E.V. developments and launch plans, as well as reports from around the state and region.
> Have a chance to network with friends and colleagues (and those who should become part of your network
> TO VIEW THE PROGRAM AND REGISTER
> 
> Please see the attached invitation and share it with friends and colleagues who may be interested!
> 

> 
> Hope to see you there!
> 
> 
> GEORGE K BEARD
> Office of Research & Sponsored Projects
> Portland State University
> Portland, Oregon 97207
> 
> +1 503 772 0222
> gbeard at pdx.edu


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From Wendy.Marshall at greshamoregon.gov  Fri May  7 10:32:36 2010
From: Wendy.Marshall at greshamoregon.gov (Marshall, Wendy)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:32:36 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] May OEVA meeting - Change of venue
In-Reply-To: <w2i8c28d7b51005070121u9d17346y351b781e85ab1961@mail.gmail.com>
References: <i2ma12098091005051310w97ad71b5q79252c89007b2228@mail.gmail.com>
	<w2i8c28d7b51005070121u9d17346y351b781e85ab1961@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60E4783479EDEF4FB4831CB8D29D3D2C339A6E6260@JUNGLE.gresham.gov>

After a long absence, I am planning to go to this meeting.  It's a long haul, about 45 minutes from Gresham, but I can give a ride to anyone out here that wants to attend.  It would actually push me to go if I have carpoolies relying on me.

I will be coming from downtown Gresham, leaving about 5:30.

Email me at wendypaddles at gmail.com<mailto:wendypaddles at gmail.com>, or call 503.358.7882 if you want to arrange a ride.

Wendy


From: patrick0101 at gmail.com [mailto:patrick0101 at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 1:22 AM
To: OEVA
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] May OEVA meeting - Change of venue

I hope we have a big turn out for this meeting next week. I believe that we must support the launch of this generation of EVs to help move the world to plug in transportation. It is important for our environment and it is important for national security. The dealership is reaching out to us and making this offer, if the OEVA cannot get excited about it, what chance is there for the general public. Even though this is not our normal meeting location, please attend. If you have friends that are curious about EV or the Leaf, bring them along.

Do you need a ride? Let's coordinate some carpooling.

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, John Christian <john.p.christian at gmail.com<mailto:john.p.christian at gmail.com>> wrote:
Greetings all,

Based on input from the board and various memebers, we are going to have our regular monthly at the Nissan Dealership in Wilsonville for this month only.

Herer are the details:
Tonkin Wilsonville Nissan<http://www.tonkinwilsonvillenissan.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Location.Detail&LocationID=236&>
26700 SW 95th Avenue
Wilsonville, OR 97070
503-258-6140
[ Get Directions / Map<http://www.tonkinwilsonvillenissan.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=location.default> ]

7:00 p.m. Thursday May 13th.

We will have all the usual attractions:
- EV Cruise-in - starts at 6:30 p.m.
- Refreshments (supplied by the dealership)
- Charging stations

And featuring a presentation by Joel Fowler, Sales Manager and Nissan Leaf dealer specialist. He will be providing an explanation of Nissan's plans to support the sale and delivery of these EVs through the dealership and the dealerships updates and changes to service and support EVs.

I know this is not very convenient for some. And I know that this makes it easier for others. I know it will be a fun time, interesting and something totally new for the club. Please make your best effort to join us. I know we will have a great meeting.


Thank you,
--
John P. Christian
OEVA Chairman

Please consider the environment before printing this message.

_______________________________________________
Oeva-list mailing list
Oeva-list at oeva.org<mailto:Oeva-list at oeva.org>
http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list

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From stevel at fern.com  Fri May  7 10:33:48 2010
From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Route planning - Was Leaf solar panel
In-Reply-To: <mailman.653.1273251580.1072.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.653.1273251580.1072.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1005071027080.8743@hub.fern.com>

patrick0101 at gmail.com writes:
>   5. Have an in-dash navigation system that is "Battery Smart". Meaning
>   that it knows your SOC, location, destination,  and route, and it tells you
>   an estimated SOC on arrival. It should also suggest charging points along
>   your route as needed. Additionally, have a prominent "find nearest charging
>   station" button on the nav system.

By adding speed limits, traffic, total change in elevation, and maximum
slope, along with temperature (battery and motor performance), day or 
night (lights), and weather (heat and wipers)  you could also do a better 
job of predicting SOC on arrival. By adding your entire days planned route
you could answer the question "Can I make it or not?".

Steve


From AlphaWaveE at aol.com  Fri May  7 21:11:10 2010
From: AlphaWaveE at aol.com (AlphaWaveE at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 00:11:10 EDT
Subject: [Oeva-list] Mean Green Mowing Machine
Message-ID: <3e222.50b43ce6.39163e5e@aol.com>

Hi all, Thought I would try to put this on the list.  If it doesn't  work, 
Patrick said he would put it on the web page.
 
Have a great weekend.
 
Wade
 
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From salzmande at comcast.net  Fri May  7 21:15:16 2010
From: salzmande at comcast.net (Dave Salzman)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 21:15:16 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV article
Message-ID: <32BD4376-30A0-4598-9169-3B91BB3B83AB@comcast.net>

I just finished reading an article in the June issue of Popular  
Mechanics entitled " The electric plug-in acid test" written by a guy  
named Erik Sofge. After consulting many experts in the field he came  
up with the most negative hypothetical case of EV ownership in the  
year 2020 that I can imagine. This is the type of information that  
will make going electric more difficult then it needs to be.

Enough!

Dave 
     


From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Sat May  8 01:17:12 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 01:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Ultra Quick Battery Charge System: 50% Full in 3 Minutes
Message-ID: <r2z8c28d7b51005080117n5cfa9edapc97e6358fbeb3f12@mail.gmail.com>

http://gas2.org/2010/05/05/ultra-quick-battery-charge-system-developed-50-full-in-3-minutes/

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
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From stevel at fern.com  Sat May  8 13:21:09 2010
From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 13:21:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Propular Mechanics article
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1273345204.84606.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.11.1273345204.84606.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1005081302540.8114@hub.fern.com>

> After consulting many experts in the field he came
> up with the most negative hypothetical case of EV ownership in the
> year 2020 that I can imagine. This is the type of information that
> will make going electric more difficult then it needs to be.

Well.. what did his article say?

It's always possible that "going electric" is a solution that isn't
viable. There are a number of issues with plugin electric vehicles
that haven't been fully answered yet, such as range, total life cycle
cost, reliabliity, safety, and efficiency.

Remember, in the 1950's when they claimed that power generated by
"the atom" would be so cheap, they couldn't afford to meter it?

How about project Plowshare where large scale excavations would be
done with nuclear "explosives"?

A lot of promising technologies have bit the dust, even ones that a
few devoted followers can, by force of effort, make work.

The mistake is not doing a critical enough review. Was this the needed
review?

Hopefully, vehicles like the Leaf, and data collection projects like
DOE's will prove the technology viable.. but there is every chance
that they will prove just the opposite!

Steve


From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Sat May  8 17:38:42 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 17:38:42 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Plug-in America on CBS News Tonight
Message-ID: <t2q8c28d7b51005081738g3032c5e5g78ad4a17d493ce10@mail.gmail.com>

just found this out, Paul and Zane Scott of Plug-in America will be on the
CBS evening news tonight (50 minutes from the time I am writing this). Sorry
for the late notice.

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
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From john.p.christian at intel.com  Mon May 10 08:56:58 2010
From: john.p.christian at intel.com (Christian, John P)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:56:58 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Popular Mechanics - First 10 EVs to market
Message-ID: <7C88852EF6F99F4EB538472FCFEBE222DF33EE8E@orsmsx509.amr.corp.intel.com>

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/electric/first-10-ev-roundup?click=main_sr

While I doubt that the Aptera will ever make a showing, the pictures of some of the EVs here is worth the trip....

Regards,

John P. Christian
OEVA Chair



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From john.p.christian at gmail.com  Mon May 10 11:28:43 2010
From: john.p.christian at gmail.com (John Christian)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:28:43 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: OEVA Meeting at Nissan this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <16E7CF58-7492-446C-81AA-E0BDFE8630B6@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilI0mlgFOglay6NiJnCOF8IwYHkro5RW5-mrI-j@mail.gmail.com>
	<16E7CF58-7492-446C-81AA-E0BDFE8630B6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinaKz1ZohOqZeDmjewm6X-DTcLY2BnYbd61feOH@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all at OEVA,

Some of you may know George Beard. He is one of the most influencial folks
in Oregon's EV promotion efforts. It is great to see this kind of support
for this historic meeting.

My challenge to all of you is to invite a friend to this meeting. And if you
know someone in local government, the news media, or who is an important
player in EV related efforts, please make an effort to invite them also. And
hey - this is gonna be some great fun.

Thank you,
John Christian
OEVA Chair

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: George K. Beard <georgekbeard at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: OEVA Meeting at Nissan this Thursday
To: John Christian <john.p.christian at gmail.com>


Thanks for the invite; on my calendar ...

see you then and there, John


GEORGE K BEARD
+1 503 772 0222
georgekbeard at gmail.com








 On May 10, 2010, at 10:34 AM, John Christian wrote:

 Hi George,

I know you are very busy and you have many requests for your time. However,
I would be remiss if I did not let you know about our next monthly meeting
of the general membership of OEVA. This event will be at the Nissan
dealership in Wilsonville and represents an historic first. Our efforts
traditionally have been to convert gas cars and to purchase commercially
developed EVs or Extended Range modifications to hybrids. This is the first
time OEVA has gone to a dealership to hear detials of how they willl support
and sell an EV. They are putting on nice presentation and making special
arrangements to host our club and its EV Cruse-In.

Here are the details:
Tonkin Wilsonville Nissan
26700 SW 95th Avenue
Wilsonville, OR 97070
503-258-6140
[ Get Directions / Map ]
7:00 p.m. Thursday May 13th.

We will have all the usual attractions:
- EV Cruise-in - starts at 6:30 p.m.
- Refreshments (supplied by the dealership)
- Charging stations

And featuring a presentation by Joel Fowler, Sales Manager and Nissan Leaf
dealer specialist. He will be providing an explanation of Nissan's plans to
support the sale and delivery of these EVs through the dealership and the
dealerships updates and changes to service and support EVs.
Please share this with anyone you think may be interested.

Thank you,
-- 
John P. Christian
OEVA Chairman

Please consider the environment before printing this message.





-- 
John P. Christian
OEVA Chairman

Please consider the environment before printing this message.
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Tue May 11 23:32:26 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 23:32:26 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] OR Hearts EVs
Message-ID: <AANLkTikJ_UX-qyd8DNCc7OzYb9cS3XfyIpJNJG3-qDFk@mail.gmail.com>

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/05/11/electric-vehicles-love-oregon-and-vice-versa/
<http://green.autoblog.com/2010/05/11/electric-vehicles-love-oregon-and-vice-versa/>
Regards,
Pat
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Sat May 15 02:03:09 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 02:03:09 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] A Couple Pictures
Message-ID: <AANLkTil2JI8QhBnaWmJImHFNud_7TmDNSI1YNNKORZ4g@mail.gmail.com>

>From the meeting at the Wilsonville Nissan Dealership meeting Thurs.
http://bit.ly/cJMLiw<http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FcJMLiw&h=187d4>

<http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FcJMLiw&h=187d4>The
thanks for snapping and sharing these goes to Kirk.

Regards,
Pat
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From alan at batie.org  Sat May 15 09:53:00 2010
From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:53:00 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: OEVA Meeting at Nissan this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinaKz1ZohOqZeDmjewm6X-DTcLY2BnYbd61feOH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilI0mlgFOglay6NiJnCOF8IwYHkro5RW5-mrI-j@mail.gmail.com>
	<16E7CF58-7492-446C-81AA-E0BDFE8630B6@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinaKz1ZohOqZeDmjewm6X-DTcLY2BnYbd61feOH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BEED16C.10701@batie.org>

I don't know about anyone else, but I was really disappointed in that we
knew more about what was going on than Joel did and the main message I
got was "we're so screwed if this takes off please buy from us"

On another note:

Given the cost of the level 3 charging stations, which are what are
going to be required to make cross-country travel even close to
practical, I think the answer is for the states to put them in at rest
areas along the interstates and charge $10 per 1/2hr charge.  And maybe
$10 for 10pm-8am to collect some additional revenue from RVers.  The
cost could drop as the number of EVs go up (though has the price of
anything ever gone down? ;-) ) but it's not really that much and I'd
happily pay it for the ability to drive long distance.  At $50K each,
that would take 5000 charges to pay for each one.  Averaging 10
charges/week (which I suspect would be mainly rv'ers) that's a 10yr
break even not counting maintenance:

There are 20 rest areas on I5/I84 in Oregon
(http://www.tripcheck.com/pages/raentry.asp), about every 30-40 miles
(except a big gap between The Dalles and Boardman - 90 miles that would
need filled, maybe Arlington, conveniently next to a wind farm ;-) ).
$1-4 million , which isn't really all that much in the scheme of
things... depending on if it's $50K or $200K each; fwiw, we're about to
buy a new 60-80KW (I forget the exact size at the moment) UPS at work,
and it's ~$60K).

The idea of putting that expensive a charger at big box stores and other
local places makes no sense --- you're not going far enough on local
trips to need that fast of a charge, and you're likely to spend enough
time inside for the level 2 chargers to handle a lot of it.  At
250wh/mile typical, a 6kw level 2 charger covers 24 miles/hr (ballpark).
 It might make sense if the store used an EV delivery vehicle...

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From pusa411 at gmail.com  Sat May 15 12:46:01 2010
From: pusa411 at gmail.com (PREMIUM-USA)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:46:01 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] WA state has extended the Sales Tax and Use Exemptions
Message-ID: <AANLkTillQrXSghXkGJCLXQJlgu49Bu4nJF3IFzyBbmlV@mail.gmail.com>

Hey yall, WA state has extended the Sales Tax and Use Exemptions
for Alternative Fuel Vehicles until July 2015
the exemption was.. no tax on the first $40k of value..
...

THX..
            Daniel T "Bubba" Conway

Premium-EV
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Sat May 15 12:51:11 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 12:51:11 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf
Message-ID: <AANLkTimQRF_92FNSNOCIGhB1kO44o6GNpxcLKDLXNbaJ@mail.gmail.com>

 Open reservation for the Nissan Leaf starts today. Reserve your Leaf here
http://bit.ly/aoQ4EW

Regards,
Pat
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From evmail4ron at yahoo.com  Mon May 17 11:54:35 2010
From: evmail4ron at yahoo.com (Ron Jayasuriya)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:54:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] T-Shirt/Hat Design/OEVA Membership
Message-ID: <868374.88612.qm@web110111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Artistic EV'ers:



Can you design a T-Shirt?

The OEVA needs you!



In order to encourage and increase OEVA membership, we plan to offer 
either a T-Shirt or a hat as part of membership.? This will increase the
 cost of membership to $30 (a $10 increase).? We'd like to have this 
ready for EV Awareness Day.



What we need:



Some fresh design ideas.? Ideally the design will change a little each 
year.



If you (or perhaps someone you know) is good at this type of thing, 
please let me know if you would be willing to help.? Questions/comments 
are also welcome.



Thanks!!!



Ron Jayasuriya

evmail4ron at yahoo.com




      
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon May 17 13:11:49 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:11:49 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] ADV: Fwd: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
In-Reply-To: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
References: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikcy7dG3E_sRZixuc9N1dC3T2Lmo2oy6_5pRroQ@mail.gmail.com>

Want to test drive a Tesla Roadster? see below

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Genny Carter <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
Date: Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Subject: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
To: patrick0101 at gmail.com


   <http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LQ-ApUhk7>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LR-ApUhk8>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LS-ApUhk9>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LT-ApUhk0>   <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
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3500 Deer Creek Road
Palo Alto, California 94303
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon May 17 13:11:49 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:11:49 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] ADV: Fwd: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
In-Reply-To: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
References: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikcy7dG3E_sRZixuc9N1dC3T2Lmo2oy6_5pRroQ@mail.gmail.com>

Want to test drive a Tesla Roadster? see below

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Genny Carter <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
Date: Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Subject: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
To: patrick0101 at gmail.com


   <http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LQ-ApUhk7>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LR-ApUhk8>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LS-ApUhk9>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LT-ApUhk0>   <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LU-ApUhk1>  Tesla Motors
3500 Deer Creek Road
Palo Alto, California 94303
United States
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon May 17 13:11:49 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:11:49 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] ADV: Fwd: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
In-Reply-To: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
References: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikcy7dG3E_sRZixuc9N1dC3T2Lmo2oy6_5pRroQ@mail.gmail.com>

Want to test drive a Tesla Roadster? see below

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Genny Carter <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
Date: Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Subject: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
To: patrick0101 at gmail.com


   <http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LQ-ApUhk7>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LR-ApUhk8>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LS-ApUhk9>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LT-ApUhk0>   <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LU-ApUhk1>  Tesla Motors
3500 Deer Creek Road
Palo Alto, California 94303
United States
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon May 17 13:11:49 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:11:49 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] ADV: Fwd: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
In-Reply-To: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
References: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikcy7dG3E_sRZixuc9N1dC3T2Lmo2oy6_5pRroQ@mail.gmail.com>

Want to test drive a Tesla Roadster? see below

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Genny Carter <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
Date: Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Subject: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
To: patrick0101 at gmail.com


   <http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LQ-ApUhk7>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LR-ApUhk8>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LS-ApUhk9>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LT-ApUhk0>   <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LU-ApUhk1>  Tesla Motors
3500 Deer Creek Road
Palo Alto, California 94303
United States
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon May 17 13:11:49 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:11:49 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] ADV: Fwd: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
In-Reply-To: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
References: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikcy7dG3E_sRZixuc9N1dC3T2Lmo2oy6_5pRroQ@mail.gmail.com>

Want to test drive a Tesla Roadster? see below

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Genny Carter <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
Date: Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Subject: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
To: patrick0101 at gmail.com


   <http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LQ-ApUhk7>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LR-ApUhk8>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LS-ApUhk9>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LT-ApUhk0>   <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LU-ApUhk1>  Tesla Motors
3500 Deer Creek Road
Palo Alto, California 94303
United States
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Mon May 17 13:11:49 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:11:49 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] ADV: Fwd: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
In-Reply-To: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
References: <1274120435519.922060.2553886.160036120@backend.cp20.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikcy7dG3E_sRZixuc9N1dC3T2Lmo2oy6_5pRroQ@mail.gmail.com>

Want to test drive a Tesla Roadster? see below

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Genny Carter <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
Date: Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Subject: Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
To: patrick0101 at gmail.com


   <http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LQ-ApUhk7>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LR-ApUhk8>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LS-ApUhk9>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LT-ApUhk0>   <gcarter at teslamotors.com>
<http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.c?AiNi-97LU-ApUhk1>  Tesla Motors
3500 Deer Creek Road
Palo Alto, California 94303
United States
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From linc.thomas at comcast.net  Mon May 17 15:21:38 2010
From: linc.thomas at comcast.net (Lincoln Thomas)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:21:38 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Test Drive the Tesla Roadster in Portland
Message-ID: <4BF1C172.702@comcast.net>

We are scheduled for a 10:15am test drive. I've always wanted to get 
behind the wheel. What a cruisin' machine! Think they'll let us take it 
on the highway? 8-)

I've heard about the practical joke the builder used to pull on his 
early passengers:
"Try the radio, it's cool!"
And as they reach for the radio, he punches it, flinging the passenger 
back against the seat with no hope of touching the radio. :-P

Lincoln

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From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com  Wed May 19 07:11:31 2010
From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:11:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Article comparing today's EVs with 1900's versions
Message-ID: <990729.24040.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,


Here's an interesting article comparing today's EVs with those from 100 years ago.

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/05/the-status-quo-of-electric-cars-better-batteries-same-range.html

It seems our addiction to speed is taking its toll on our efficiency...

Cheers,
Tim


      


From cheryljardine at juno.com  Wed May 19 13:43:26 2010
From: cheryljardine at juno.com (cheryljardine at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 20:43:26 GMT
Subject: [Oeva-list] Article comparing today's EVs with 1900's versions
Message-ID: <20100519.134326.3231.2@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

This is a very good article. Thanks for sending it. I had a Ford Think which I sold last year because I could not afford $3000 for new batteries.  I have bee thinking lately that getting an upgraded golf cart might be the way to go.  
The guy that repaired my Think and the Gems in town has moved to Arizona.  
I know that they are upgrading carts at High Desert Golf Cart and they go for $5000+ and are eligible for a tax credit.
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From matwete at comcast.net  Wed May 19 19:48:39 2010
From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:48:39 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Article comparing today's EVs with 1900's versions
In-Reply-To: <990729.24040.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <990729.24040.qm@web110504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004901caf7c6$f3d44300$db7cc900$@net>

That's a very well researched and written article.
And it feeds into that adage that someone on the EVDL has said several times
over the past 16yrs or so: "With EV's, you can have range, performance or
low cost --- Pick any two".  The early EV's had range and were relatively
high cost with acceptable, but increasingly considered poor performance.
And it's because of those increasing performance expectations over time that
made EV's unacceptable---too slow or sluggish, or if not too slow or
sluggish, too short in range.  Gas cars won.  And so today's performance
expectations being very high, even the latest batteries cannot offer the
modern production EV's a greater range than the best EV's of 100yrs ago.

Speed is not cheap:    Double your speed, quadruple the power required.

-Myles Twete
1920 Milburn Light Electric: www.evalbum.com/348


-----Original Message-----
From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Kutscha
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:12 AM
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] Article comparing today's EVs with 1900's versions

Hi All,


Here's an interesting article comparing today's EVs with those from 100
years ago.

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/05/the-status-quo-of-electric-cars-bette
r-batteries-same-range.html

It seems our addiction to speed is taking its toll on our efficiency...

Cheers,
Tim


      

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From Rick.Durst at pgn.com  Thu May 20 15:48:35 2010
From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:48:35 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Navistar to launch Commercial Trucks next Tuesday in
	Portland Oregon
Message-ID: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60D5CAB765B@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>

Navistar will launch their new e-star commercial truck at the Oregon Convention Center next Tuesday. To register for the event go to www.navistarevlaunch.com.

Space is limited

Rick Durst, Program Manager
Portland General Electric
Energy Information Services and Electric Vehicles
503-464-7631 phone
503-464-2284 fax


From nickgaladay at msn.com  Thu May 20 23:56:54 2010
From: nickgaladay at msn.com (Nick)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:56:54 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Oh what a feeling!
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP54865246E61AF616276366BDE40@phx.gbl>

 

 

I think this qualifies as redemption..  Toyota and Tesla join forces.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/business/21tesla.html?src=busln

   Nick Galaday

    Vernonia, OR 97064

    

        Energy conservation--

                     saves more than energy!

 

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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Fri May 21 01:03:16 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 01:03:16 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Brammo Enertia
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1IJUw6x9JntyYZecE8g4ANyaQdOb1ZDJXGRA6@mail.gmail.com>

a friend of mine is considering an Enertia. Do any of you own one? If so,
let me know what you think about it.

Regards,
Pat
Plug In, Charge Up, Drive Off    =D~
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From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Fri May 21 05:57:29 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 05:57:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Oh what a feeling!
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP54865246E61AF616276366BDE40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP54865246E61AF616276366BDE40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <550e520329c39821618b142857702a94.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

I heard on the radio this morning that the Mr. Toyoda rode in a
convertible Tesla Roadster in California and felt the "winds of change."
>
>
>
> I think this qualifies as redemption..  Toyota and Tesla join forces.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/business/21tesla.html?src=busln
>
>    Nick Galaday
>
>     Vernonia, OR 97064
>
>
>
>         Energy conservation--
>
>                      saves more than energy!
>
>
>
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From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Fri May 21 06:17:43 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Oh what a feeling!
In-Reply-To: <550e520329c39821618b142857702a94.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP54865246E61AF616276366BDE40@phx.gbl>
	<550e520329c39821618b142857702a94.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>
Message-ID: <9e9ea196f79ce9d805e4515f3bfe02f0.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

Another story on Tesla and Toyota.

http://sunpluggers.com/stories/toyota-tesla-to-team-up-to-produce-electric-cars-0524

Gene
> I heard on the radio this morning that the Mr. Toyoda rode in a
> convertible Tesla Roadster in California and felt the "winds of change."
>>
>>
>>
>> I think this qualifies as redemption..  Toyota and Tesla join forces.
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/business/21tesla.html?src=busln
>>
>>    Nick Galaday
>>
>>     Vernonia, OR 97064
>>
>>
>>
>>         Energy conservation--
>>
>>                      saves more than energy!
>>
>>
>>
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>> Oeva-list at oeva.org
>> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
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From Rick.Durst at pgn.com  Fri May 21 07:25:52 2010
From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 07:25:52 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] REGISTRATION (3-WEEKS AND COUNTING!) -- E.V. ROAD MAP
 2: AN UPDATE ON OREGON'S ELECTRIC VEHICLE INITIATIVE
In-Reply-To: <056FABBD-DCDD-49CF-834E-9B7875F6146B@mac.com>
References: <23303A11-428D-4F46-911B-D360534AD866@pdx.edu>
	<056FABBD-DCDD-49CF-834E-9B7875F6146B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60D5CF38E28@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>

Portland General Electric, Portland State University, and the Oregon Transportation Research & Education Consortium are pleased to invite you to E.V. ROAD MAP 2: AN UPDATE ON OREGON'S ELECTRIC VEHICLE INITIATIVE

E.V. Road Map 2 is a half-day event designed to inform and engage those with a policy, planning, implementation or reporting role who are actively involved with, or focusing on, the arrival of next-generation electric vehicles and charging stations.

DATE, TIME AND PLACE

Friday, June 11, 2010

8:00 a.m. to 1:30 p.m.

Auditorium, World Trade Center, Portland, Oregon

SPECIAL GUESTS

  Robbie Diamond, The Electrification Coalition presenting, "The Problem With Oil"

  Takafumi Anegawa, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) presenting "Early Lessons Learned on Public Charging Infrastructure and Fast Charging"


PROGRAM GOALS

Attendees at E.V. Road Map 2 will:

 *   Be introduced to the business and strategic arguments for transportation electrification.
 *   Discover how one leading international city has deployed its charging network, including DC fast chargers, and what it could mean to us here in the Pacific Northwest
 *   Receive the latest information on The E.V. Project by eTec
 *   Contemplate the prospects for a 'green highway' from Eugene up to Vancouver, B.C.
 *   Learn the latest on E.V. developments and launch plans, as well as reports from around the state and region.
 *   Have a chance to network with friends and colleagues (and those who should become part of your network

 TO REGISTER
https://foundation.pdx.edu/way2go/
PASS IT ON!

Be sure to share this invitation with friends and colleagues who may be interested!

 For More Information
  Please contact George Beard  (gbeard at pdx.edu)  at<mailto:gbeard at pdx.edu>  503 - 772 - 0222
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From Rick.Durst at pgn.com  Fri May 21 07:46:12 2010
From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 07:46:12 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Eugene and Springfield EV Event May 26th
Message-ID: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60D5CF38E54@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>

G E T P L U G G E D I N !

ELECTRIC VEHICLES | CHARGING STATIONS | EUGENE + SPRINGFIELD

MAY 26, 2010 6:00 - 9:00 PM

For further details, please contact the Community Planning Workshop at mpromes at uoregon.edu or 541-346-3653

3:00 - 5:00 pm EXHIBITOR CHECK-IN AND SETUP: Exhibitor table, electric vehicle, and audiovisual equipment setup

6:00 pm EVENT BEGINS: Doors open to the public; crowd perusal of exhibitor tables

6:30 pm KEYNOTE ADDRESS: George Beard, "Driving the Transformation: The Rise of Electric Vehicles in Oregon" with introductory remarks by Pete Sorenson, Lane County Commissioner

7:00 pm Q+A PANEL with

 *
* Mayor Kitty Piercy
 *
* Joshua Skov, Member of the Eugene Sustainability Commission
 *
* Erik Stafl, CTO, Arcimoto
 *
* David Mayfield, eTec representative

8:00 - 9:00 pm Continued perusal of exhibitor tables

9:00 pm EVENT ENDS; TEAR-DOWN AND CLEAN-UP


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From matwete at comcast.net  Fri May 21 10:04:53 2010
From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 10:04:53 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] REGISTRATION (3-WEEKS AND COUNTING!) -- E.V. ROAD
 MAP 2: AN UPDATE ON OREGON'S ELECTRIC VEHICLE INITIATIVE
In-Reply-To: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60D5CF38E28@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>
References: <23303A11-428D-4F46-911B-D360534AD866@pdx.edu>
	<056FABBD-DCDD-49CF-834E-9B7875F6146B@mac.com>
	<DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60D5CF38E28@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>
Message-ID: <009501caf907$bb96a5e0$32c3f1a0$@net>

Maybe we can reserve the courtyard for parking our EV's in the square that
morning?  Or is that not the same building?

I'd bring a 1920 Milburn electric.

-Myles

 

From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Durst
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:26 AM
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] REGISTRATION (3-WEEKS AND COUNTING!) -- E.V. ROAD MAP
2: AN UPDATE ON OREGON'S ELECTRIC VEHICLE INITIATIVE

 

Portland General Electric, Portland State University, and the Oregon
Transportation Research & Education Consortium are pleased to invite you to
E.V. ROAD MAP 2: AN UPDATE ON OREGON'S ELECTRIC VEHICLE INITIATIVE

E.V. Road Map 2 is a half-day event designed to inform and engage those with
a policy, planning, implementation or reporting role who are actively
involved with, or focusing on, the arrival of next-generation electric
vehicles and charging stations.  

DATE, TIME AND PLACE

Friday, June 11, 2010

8:00 a.m. to 1:30 p.m.

Auditorium, World Trade Center, Portland, Oregon

SPECIAL GUESTS

 

  Robbie Diamond, The Electrification Coalition presenting, "The Problem
With Oil"

 

  Takafumi Anegawa, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) presenting "Early
Lessons Learned on Public Charging Infrastructure and Fast Charging" 

 

PROGRAM GOALS

Attendees at E.V. Road Map 2 will:

*	Be introduced to the business and strategic arguments for
transportation electrification.   
*	Discover how one leading international city has deployed its
charging network, including DC fast chargers, and what it could mean to us
here in the Pacific Northwest 
*	Receive the latest information on The E.V. Project by eTec 
*	Contemplate the prospects for a 'green highway' from Eugene up to
Vancouver, B.C. 
*	Learn the latest on E.V. developments and launch plans, as well as
reports from around the state and region. 
*	Have a chance to network with friends and colleagues (and those who
should become part of your network

 TO REGISTER

 <https://foundation.pdx.edu/way2go/> https://foundation.pdx.edu/way2go/

PASS IT ON!

 

Be sure to share this invitation with friends and colleagues who may be
interested! 

 

 For More Information 

  Please contact George Beard  (gbeard at pdx.edu) <mailto:gbeard at pdx.edu>   at
503 - 772 - 0222

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From snipes8155 at charter.net  Fri May 21 21:11:55 2010
From: snipes8155 at charter.net (Linda Snipes)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 21:11:55 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list]  Oh what a feeling!???
Message-ID: <2A1F7FAD17424852B16743DD296C00BB@OphirSnipes>

It scares the heck out of me!    I see the Toyota name cavorting around with the Tesla name and it reminds me of kinda like when the Fox invites the Chicken over for dinner.  After all, isn't Toyota really still married to Big Oil?  
    Redemption comes after the act, not before.  The "Winds of Change" could be just a lot of hot air before Tesla really becomes just another hybrid.    
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From snipes8155 at charter.net  Fri May 21 21:23:47 2010
From: snipes8155 at charter.net (Linda Snipes)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 21:23:47 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list]  Oh what a feeling!???
Message-ID: <882FDE2238FA49A6B7E463250021A95D@OphirSnipes>

It scares the heck out of me!    I see the Toyota name cavorting around with the Tesla name and it reminds me of kinda like when the Fox invites the Chicken over for dinner.  After all, isn't Toyota really still married to Big Oil?  
    Redemption comes after the act, not before.  The "Winds of Change" could be just a lot of hot air before Tesla really becomes just another hybrid.    

Linda Snipes

snipes8155 at charter.net
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From stevel at fern.com  Sat May 22 16:36:41 2010
From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 16:36:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla (re)coil.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1274554804.79612.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.9.1274554804.79612.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1005221601130.12067@hub.fern.com>

> It scares the heck out of me!    I see the Toyota name cavorting around 
> with the Tesla name and it reminds me of kinda like when the Fox invites 
> the Chicken over for dinner.  After all, isn't Toyota really still 
> married to Big Oil?

Toyota is no more married to big oil than OEVA is married to big coal.
(After all, most of the energy it took to drive your EV or deliver this
email comes from coal!)

Toyota sees it as a way to get into a market segment, well ahead of
the competition. Instead of doing their own development, they watched to
see which horse was well ahead of the pack, after the race had begun, and
bought them, on the cheap.

The goal of most companies to to separate as many people from their money
as they can. by any legal method. (and sometimes not even legal!) How they
do it, be it gas powered or electric, doesn't matter much.

I'd worry, a bit, if I worked for Tesla, because, soon enough the Tesla
employees will probably become Toyota employees... and the ones in key
positions will probably be Japaneese.. but Tesla's upper management will
be well compensated, when they  "move on to other opertunities", or is it
"spend more time with family"?

Steve


From jbillsnews at flickfx.com  Sat May 22 18:32:28 2010
From: jbillsnews at flickfx.com (J Bills)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:32:28 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Best test drive ever.
Message-ID: <AANLkTikFy2y-iGkSIPM5SikceuDIZSJSQnHj8YpgRZR0@mail.gmail.com>

I gotta say folks, that Tesla Roadster sure is fun to drive.  I know, "tell
me something I didn't know..."   but, wow - even better than I expected.  So
much kick, but so smooth!  A feathery, buttery smooth acceleration curve.
Eases off the line, doesn't jerk at all, and then it quickly switches to
warp speed and sucks you back into the seat.

Also whisper quiet, not even the usual...  what to call it...   "golf cart"
noise floor, or the "whoosh" that might be heard coming from a various
controllers or a Prius.  I'm not sure if there is an extra layer of
dampening or sound insulation on the motor, but I could barely hear anything
and we had the top off!  Granted, the driveway of the Modera hotel was
smooth paved concrete, so I'm sure that played a part.  But I suspect it's
that quiet by design.

I liked the look of the exposed carbon fiber accents.  At least as a first
impression - gave the red one a nice two-tone style.  the car felt solid,
not like a fiberglass kit car or how, for example, the doors on a Saturn
sedan always gave me a little bit of a "mickey mouse" feeling...   no
offense to saturn owners but you know what I'm saying.

Troy (the tesla sales rep) flipped through all of the feedback screens on
the on board touch screen system while we had it out - way cool!  I've been
kind of happily oblivious to a lot of that info, but seeing the Tesla in
action makes me think again towards possibly implementing an EV dashboard
based unit into my EV.  hmmm...  thinking about it.

definitely a wicked ride, and was nice to see what's possible with that
amount of resources.  My head might still be spinning from whiplash - but
for what it is, dare I say, at this moment in time where it's seemingly one
of a kind, or the "best of breed" - $100,000 almost seems like a *bargain.*


Not that I'm in that tax bracket, but I laugh at the Porsches, Lambos and
Ferraris costing 2x or 3x as much.  The Tesla is the real deal.

any other test drivers out there today?  Patrick, what did you think?
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From morbiusx1 at hotmail.com  Sat May 22 22:17:40 2010
From: morbiusx1 at hotmail.com (mark barthemer)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 22:17:40 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] 2001 Ford Pickup for $24,
	500 in S Central OR on Craigslist
Message-ID: <BAY136-W220DDE7D93B46F0496D48CFBE60@phx.gbl>


FYI - Someone named Max is selling a 2001 Ford pickup, 2006 conversion, in South Central Oregon for $24,500 - here's the Craigslist link:

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/1747341636.html

I just stumbled across it - I have no information about or connection with truck or seller.  Cheers - Mark
 		 	   		  
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From snipes8155 at charter.net  Sat May 22 22:44:14 2010
From: snipes8155 at charter.net (Linda Snipes)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 22:44:14 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla (re)coil.
References: <mailman.9.1274554804.79612.oeva-list@oeva.org>
	<alpine.LNX.2.00.1005221601130.12067@hub.fern.com>
Message-ID: <7DE389B65C1B490F82A7C6F878B3064D@OphirSnipes>

    I understand what you are saying.
    But, I also remember that not too long ago Toyota and GM already had a 
big headstart on the electric car stage, in California.  Both of them wiped 
their shoes on the front mat as they exited the platform and did no favors 
for California in the process.
    I am very sorry to see Tesla wind up in their hands.

Linda Snipes   snipes8155 at charter.net


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve's Account" <stevel at fern.com>
To: <oeva-list at oeva.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:36 PM
Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla (re)coil.


>> It scares the heck out of me!    I see the Toyota name cavorting around
>> with the Tesla name and it reminds me of kinda like when the Fox invites
>> the Chicken over for dinner.  After all, isn't Toyota really still
>> married to Big Oil?
>
> Toyota is no more married to big oil than OEVA is married to big coal.
> (After all, most of the energy it took to drive your EV or deliver this
> email comes from coal!)
>
> Toyota sees it as a way to get into a market segment, well ahead of
> the competition. Instead of doing their own development, they watched to
> see which horse was well ahead of the pack, after the race had begun, and
> bought them, on the cheap.
>
> The goal of most companies to to separate as many people from their money
> as they can. by any legal method. (and sometimes not even legal!) How they
> do it, be it gas powered or electric, doesn't matter much.
>
> I'd worry, a bit, if I worked for Tesla, because, soon enough the Tesla
> employees will probably become Toyota employees... and the ones in key
> positions will probably be Japaneese.. but Tesla's upper management will
> be well compensated, when they  "move on to other opertunities", or is it
> "spend more time with family"?
>
> Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
> 




From Rick.Durst at pgn.com  Sun May 23 06:52:10 2010
From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 06:52:10 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Starlight Parade
Message-ID: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60D5CAB765D@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>


PGE is going to have an EV theme float in the Starlight Parade and 
Grand Floral parade.  We have arranged with the Rose Festival to 
have 5 EV manufacturers in the parade along with the float.  
Currently we have Think, Mitsubishi, Navistar and Arcimoto and probably Tesla..  The parade is in the evening on the 5th of June. 
>From 10 am-4pm we will have a show and tell of these vehicles at the World Trade Center.

http://portlandgeneral.com/community_environment/community_involvement/ev
ents.aspx#starlight
At the Show and Tell we will have room for some other electric 
vehicles to be displayed.. 
We will have limited room but would like to invite any EV members interested. Although they can't be in the parade due to limits imposed by the Rose Festival, they can be displayed, and if the OEVA wanted a table and offer shirts for sale or other info, that would be great.
Please e-mail or call me if you are interested in showing your vehicle.
Rick Durst
503-464-7631
Rick.durst at pgn.com
Rick Durst, Program Manager
Portland General Electric
Energy Information Services and Electric Vehicles
503-464-7631 phone
503-464-2284 fax


From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Sun May 23 11:01:28 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 11:01:28 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla Pictures
Message-ID: <AANLkTikB-hVsX2BfWF120-RxLoi0JidKMPhbIUMDvoA5@mail.gmail.com>

Tesla was in Portland yesterday. Here are my pictures: http://bit.ly/9RNCDB

Regards,
Pat
headline you'll never see: Millions of Electrons Spilled on the Gulf Coast
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From Theoldcars at aol.com  Sun May 23 15:53:36 2010
From: Theoldcars at aol.com (Theoldcars at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 18:53:36 EDT
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV powered by coal
Message-ID: <32e0b.239194f.392b0bf0@aol.com>

 
Hello Steve
 
West Hills Collision Center is powered by 100 percent wind that means no 
coal, oil or hydro. We use EVs daily in our business but they don't use a lot 
of energy. I think more important it shows electric vehicles can replace ICE 
vehicles, reduce the demand for oil, and clean up the air. 
 
Our business does however use a lot of electric and I am told this will 
help build more wind farms. I am not saying wind is the whole answer but it is 
a good start. It is something we can do right now and it is cost effective. 
Wind energy production has no where near reached its potential. All energy 
produced here will stop our dollars from going overseas and help with 
inflation. The printing of money our nation does not really have is a growing 
problem. The United States is borrowing more money than ever and a lot of that 
debt is going towards oil. 
 
The grid does not have to be dirty. It can be 100 percent clean energy if 
are willing do something about it. This can be as simple as supporting 
businesses that use cleaner energy or electric vehicles. Businesses that currently 
do not see all the positives of clean energy will not change unless they 
think it is costing them customers. If you want a cleaner environment support 
businesses that have the same goals.
 
Instead of going with a nuclear reactor or large coal fire plant take a 
look at this concept. 
 
_http://www.maxlore.com/technology.html_ 
(http://www.maxlore.com/technology.html) 
 
Don Blazer
West Hills Collision Center
 
In a message dated 5/23/2010 12:00:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes:

Toyota is no more married to big oil than OEVA is married to big coal.
(After all, most of the energy it took to drive your EV or deliver this
email comes from coal!)

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From stevel at fern.com  Sun May 23 20:40:13 2010
From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 20:40:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla (re)coil
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1274641204.61095.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.9.1274641204.61095.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1005232025500.10643@hub.fern.com>

"Linda Snipes" <snipes8155 at charter.net> writes:
>    I understand what you are saying.
>    But, I also remember that not too long ago Toyota and GM already had a 
>big headstart on the electric car stage, in California.  Both of them wiped 
>their shoes on the front mat as they exited the platform and did no favors 
>for California in the process.
>    I am very sorry to see Tesla wind up in their hands.

It takes two to tango... Undoubtedly Tesla looked at the deal and decided it
was their best way forward.

I don't think Toyota would invest that much just to kill off the competition.
(And as I understand the deal, it's a joint venture, not a takeover.)

Further, Tesla will need a large infusion of cash to get from the "hand
made" one at a time business, to an assembly line scale car company.

Toyota probably brings some real clout when it comes to dealing with suppliers
of things like batteries.

Getting access to the Toyota dealer network, would also be a big gain.

Look at all the car companies that didn't make it. Bricklin comes to mind.

And getting the NUMI car plant, complete with a workforce hungry to start
building new cars. Pure gravy.

Steve


From snipes8155 at charter.net  Mon May 24 10:33:24 2010
From: snipes8155 at charter.net (Linda Snipes)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:33:24 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla (re)coil
References: <mailman.9.1274641204.61095.oeva-list@oeva.org>
	<alpine.LNX.2.00.1005232025500.10643@hub.fern.com>
Message-ID: <92EC9D8E5454431F9B0912FBADAE6835@OphirSnipes>

    Again, I understand what you are saying; I even agree with some of it.
Tesla needed a way to move forward and partnering with an established car
company makes good sense, so does finding a good financial backer.  They
had enough on the ball they could have done it on their own.
    I find it bizarre that you would use the phrase "kill off the
competition"  in light of the fact that Tesla recently lost several of their
top executives in a plane crash.  And, I'm not saying Toyota had anything to
do with that.  I believe that Toyota is very lucky to be the one to
step up and recieve the handshake with Tesla.
    In my opinion, the deal should have been made with anyone except Toyota
or GM.   They are the ones who made the choise to not advance the
development of an all electric vehicle already.  And, they went to great 
lengths to extricate
themselves from that kind of program eventhough it outraged the consumers
involved.  It even resulted in a court battle against the state of 
California.
    Who knows if they will stay the course this time; who believes they 
deserve the chance
to participate in a partnership with a vehicle as splendid as the Tesla?
    Not I!

Linda Snipes.  snipes8155 at charter.net



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve's Account" <stevel at fern.com>
To: <oeva-list at oeva.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 8:40 PM
Subject: [Oeva-list] Tesla (re)coil


> "Linda Snipes" <snipes8155 at charter.net> writes:
>>    I understand what you are saying.
>>    But, I also remember that not too long ago Toyota and GM already had a
>>big headstart on the electric car stage, in California.  Both of them 
>>wiped
>>their shoes on the front mat as they exited the platform and did no favors
>>for California in the process.
>>    I am very sorry to see Tesla wind up in their hands.
>
> It takes two to tango... Undoubtedly Tesla looked at the deal and decided 
> it
> was their best way forward.
>
> I don't think Toyota would invest that much just to kill off the 
> competition.
> (And as I understand the deal, it's a joint venture, not a takeover.)
>
> Further, Tesla will need a large infusion of cash to get from the "hand
> made" one at a time business, to an assembly line scale car company.
>
> Toyota probably brings some real clout when it comes to dealing with 
> suppliers
> of things like batteries.
>
> Getting access to the Toyota dealer network, would also be a big gain.
>
> Look at all the car companies that didn't make it. Bricklin comes to mind.
>
> And getting the NUMI car plant, complete with a workforce hungry to start
> building new cars. Pure gravy.
>
> Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
> Oeva-list at oeva.org
> http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list
> 




From stevel at fern.com  Mon May 24 13:34:08 2010
From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 13:34:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV powered by coal
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1274727605.80250.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.7.1274727605.80250.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1005241312430.4520@hub.fern.com>

Theoldcars at aol.com writes;
>
>
> West Hills Collision Center is powered by 100 percent wind that means no
> coal, oil or hydro.

By this, I assume you mean that you buy "power" that's part of a wind offset
program, and not that you have your own wind farm.

I'd sure like to see an accounting of where these wind offset programs
stand with respect to ACTUALLY buying wind generated power.

Apparently, there are a number of problems integrating the existing wind
generation capability, into the load mix of the utilities. Since generation
capability isn't "controlled", they can't depend on it being avaialble
when it's needed. And once it is on line, they can't depend on it providing
a set capacity.

In fact, it's been suggested that wind generated power actually causes
more need for fast response peaking plants, which are amoung the least 
efficient of all the electricity generating methods.

I'm glad to see wind being developed, along with solar, wave and a number of
other "greener" methods of generating power, but we have a long way to go
before most of our base load can be shifted from traditional coal and
natural gas plants.

My understading is that the wind offset programs are unable to buy the
number of megawatts their subscribers have "requested" and that a large
percentage of that money is going into "wind investment" to develop more
wind power. Let's hope it's not all hot air and greenwashing! :-)

Steve


From matwete at comcast.net  Mon May 24 13:56:40 2010
From: matwete at comcast.net (Myles Twete)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 13:56:40 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV powered by coal
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1005241312430.4520@hub.fern.com>
References: <mailman.7.1274727605.80250.oeva-list@oeva.org>
	<alpine.LNX.2.00.1005241312430.4520@hub.fern.com>
Message-ID: <001801cafb83$9c44e9d0$d4cebd70$@net>

Fueling this trending off subject: everyone does their part.  Some find ways
to justify doing nothing and sometimes doing nothing is best---especially if
doing nothing means not getting in the car, any car or motorcycle---stay
home or use a bike.
Some are early adopters of these utility-driven programs.
In our case, we were among the first Portlanders to sign up for Time Of Use
metering, Clean Wind, Green Habitat, etc...we also got onboard the Solarize
SE Portland bulk-buy deal and are doing grid-tie solar with a 2.5kw peak
system.  Then I looked at our electric bill closely: Those Clean Wind, Green
Habitat and some third program we were signed up with were doing something
fishy.  Two of these 3 were effectively charging us a fixed $5/month,
REGARDLESS OF USE.  Where's the incentive to save power?  Worse, Multnomah
County AND Portland both apply USAGE TAX to that $5/mo, which in my mind is
like taxing a donation or taxing a maximum use.  Needless to say, having
gone to solar on our house and wanting to maximize our incentives to save
money and energy, I pulled us out of all 3 of those programs.  We're doing
our part and meeting around 50% of our electric needs by solar alone.

Now, here's the EV rub: We're generating an average of about 300kwh/mo with
solar, or about 70kwh/wk.  If I were to commute with an EV which achieved
even an optimistic 150wh/mi and a meager 16mi round trip per day, 5 days per
week, it would take 12kwh/wk or nearly 20% of our solar generation to power
the EV for the week.  More typically, a commute for me would be 50miles
round-trip (if I had a job) and the EV wouldn't probably be that efficient.
And so we'd probably be needing more like 50% of our solar energy to provide
for that EV's use.  Still, it'd be less than we're generating, and that's
cool. 

Contrast that direct payback and calculus with the premium payments for
Green Power and what you get.  You don't see any payback and you're not
being given an accounting for how that money is really getting spent.
Worse, I don't think Multnomah County and Portland should be taxing
non-rate-based donation support for programs like this.  There's a story
here that should be told.

-MylesT



-----Original Message-----
From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On
Behalf Of Steve's Account
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:34 PM
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV powered by coal

Theoldcars at aol.com writes;
>
>
> West Hills Collision Center is powered by 100 percent wind that means no
> coal, oil or hydro.

By this, I assume you mean that you buy "power" that's part of a wind offset
program, and not that you have your own wind farm.

I'd sure like to see an accounting of where these wind offset programs
stand with respect to ACTUALLY buying wind generated power.

Apparently, there are a number of problems integrating the existing wind
generation capability, into the load mix of the utilities. Since generation
capability isn't "controlled", they can't depend on it being avaialble
when it's needed. And once it is on line, they can't depend on it providing
a set capacity.

In fact, it's been suggested that wind generated power actually causes
more need for fast response peaking plants, which are amoung the least 
efficient of all the electricity generating methods.

I'm glad to see wind being developed, along with solar, wave and a number of
other "greener" methods of generating power, but we have a long way to go
before most of our base load can be shifted from traditional coal and
natural gas plants.

My understading is that the wind offset programs are unable to buy the
number of megawatts their subscribers have "requested" and that a large
percentage of that money is going into "wind investment" to develop more
wind power. Let's hope it's not all hot air and greenwashing! :-)

Steve

_______________________________________________
Oeva-list mailing list
Oeva-list at oeva.org
http://www.rdrop.com/mailman/listinfo/oeva-list



From alan at batie.org  Mon May 24 22:05:39 2010
From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:05:39 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV powered by coal
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1005241312430.4520@hub.fern.com>
References: <mailman.7.1274727605.80250.oeva-list@oeva.org>
	<alpine.LNX.2.00.1005241312430.4520@hub.fern.com>
Message-ID: <4BFB5AA3.5030004@batie.org>

On 5/24/10 1:34 PM, Steve's Account wrote:

> I'd sure like to see an accounting of where these wind offset programs
> stand with respect to ACTUALLY buying wind generated power.

I think that is not an unreasonable request of the power companies; I'm
buying 100% renewable power myself (Pacific Power's Blue Sky), but for a
little while, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.  It's
hard to miss the miles and miles of windfarms when you drive through the
gorge, so A. they're getting built and B. when they're generating power,
I doubt the power company's throwing it away.  They may still be
figuring out how to optimally make use of it, but it *is* a new system
to integrate.

The fast response systems may be more expensive to operate, but by their
nature, it would seem that they only need to be a small part of the
power mix, buffering the variability of both supply and demand as the
slower responding systems adjust at their pace.  If the overall result
is a significant reduction in non-renewable fuel consumption, it still
seems like a win to me...

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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Tue May 25 11:21:58 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:21:58 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV powered by coal
In-Reply-To: <4BFB5AA3.5030004@batie.org>
References: <mailman.7.1274727605.80250.oeva-list@oeva.org>
	<alpine.LNX.2.00.1005241312430.4520@hub.fern.com>
	<4BFB5AA3.5030004@batie.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilAGNDEQNyCGQVWtlwegTO8jJqwurbh4El-A-SI@mail.gmail.com>

I found these two videos about wind and the grid to be very informative.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llIbjC49Fjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO3V2uXTM6k

I had no idea that there were already 15 large pump storage facilities in
the US for surplus energy storage. Colorado and Denmark studies show that
wind can contribute to grid stability, rather than be a burden on the grid.

Regards,
Pat
headline you'll never see: Millions of Electrons Spilled on the Gulf Coast
Today


On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Alan Batie <alan at batie.org> wrote:

> On 5/24/10 1:34 PM, Steve's Account wrote:
>
> > I'd sure like to see an accounting of where these wind offset programs
> > stand with respect to ACTUALLY buying wind generated power.
>
> I think that is not an unreasonable request of the power companies; I'm
> buying 100% renewable power myself (Pacific Power's Blue Sky), but for a
> little while, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.  It's
> hard to miss the miles and miles of windfarms when you drive through the
> gorge, so A. they're getting built and B. when they're generating power,
> I doubt the power company's throwing it away.  They may still be
> figuring out how to optimally make use of it, but it *is* a new system
> to integrate.
>
> The fast response systems may be more expensive to operate, but by their
> nature, it would seem that they only need to be a small part of the
> power mix, buffering the variability of both supply and demand as the
> slower responding systems adjust at their pace.  If the overall result
> is a significant reduction in non-renewable fuel consumption, it still
> seems like a win to me...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From stevel at fern.com  Tue May 25 13:57:19 2010
From: stevel at fern.com (Steve's Account)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV's run on coal.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1274814004.77495.oeva-list@oeva.org>
References: <mailman.11.1274814004.77495.oeva-list@oeva.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1005251249120.2057@hub.fern.com>

> On 5/24/10 1:34 PM, Steve's Account wrote:
>
>> I'd sure like to see an accounting of where these wind offset programs
>> stand with respect to ACTUALLY buying wind generated power.
>
> I think that is not an unreasonable request of the power companies; I'm
> buying 100% renewable power myself (Pacific Power's Blue Sky), but for a
> little while, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.  It's
> hard to miss the miles and miles of windfarms when you drive through the
> gorge, so A. they're getting built and B. when they're generating power,
> I doubt the power company's throwing it away.  They may still be
> figuring out how to optimally make use of it, but it *is* a new system
> to integrate.

What is striking, to me, is the number of times I've driven past some of
the existing wind farms, and noticed that only a small fraction of the units
were actually turning! Even with a strong, steady wind.

You would think that with a zero fuel cost, that they would use all they
can. Instead, they stand there, like expensive yard art.
>
> The fast response systems may be more expensive to operate, but by their
> nature, it would seem that they only need to be a small part of the
> power mix, buffering the variability of both supply and demand as the
> slower responding systems adjust at their pace.  If the overall result
> is a significant reduction in non-renewable fuel consumption, it still
> seems like a win to me...
>
: patrick0101 at gmail.com writes:
>
> I found these two videos about wind and the grid to be very informative.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llIbjC49Fjs
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO3V2uXTM6k

Both of the two videos mention a modernized power grid.. Which currently
isn't in place.

If you have an "unpredictable" power resource, you need to be able to move
power from one area to another to level out the unpredictable nature of
the entire resource.
>
> I had no idea that there were already 15 large pump storage facilities in
> the US for surplus energy storage. Colorado and Denmark studies show that
> wind can contribute to grid stability, rather than be a burden on the grid.

Pumped storage isn't new. It's been around since the 1890's.

It would be interesting to compare the effiency of wind powered pumped storage,
where wind powered pumps move water up hill, and "conventional hydro" 
generates the power.

Because pumping could occur across the entire speed range of the wind
turbine, you could tollerate the changes in the available resource.

If you installed them. colocated with existing hydro dams the cost of test
facilities would be small.
>
> Regards,
> Pat
> headline you'll never see: Millions of Electrons Spilled on the Gulf Coast
> Today

So what DOES happen to those billions of photons that hit the Gulf every day?

Actually, they evaporate water, which may just end up as hydro power someplace
else!

All that being said.. Coal still accounts for the largest single fraction
of power generation, at 48%.

Steve


From alan at batie.org  Tue May 25 14:38:52 2010
From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:38:52 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV's run on coal.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1005251249120.2057@hub.fern.com>
References: <mailman.11.1274814004.77495.oeva-list@oeva.org>
	<alpine.LNX.2.00.1005251249120.2057@hub.fern.com>
Message-ID: <4BFC436C.9000903@batie.org>

On 5/25/10 1:57 PM, Steve's Account wrote:

> It would be interesting to compare the effiency of wind powered pumped storage,
> where wind powered pumps move water up hill, and "conventional hydro" 
> generates the power.

Up to a point, efficiency is only a factor in the cost of the power:
it's essentially free power, you only need it to be efficient enough to
amortize the capital cost and cover maintenance, the rest is gravy.  If
that's the easiest way to deal with the variability of the wind, so be it...

> If you installed them. colocated with existing hydro dams the cost of test
> facilities would be small.

The one I'm familiar with, I used to live near: Grand Coulee Dam/Banks
Lake: it's setup so that excess power from the dam is used to pump water
up to Banks Lake, and which can then be used for additional power
capacity at peak times.  Being out in the western washington wasteland
(well, from my perspective, particularly as a kid stuck out in the
middle of it ;-) ), I'd be surprised if there weren't already wind farms
around there.  Tying into the feed from the dam would be a natural, and,
though I seem to recall somewhere saying they actually weren't fast
enough, I would think that hydro *would* be something that would be
easily and quickly adjustable to work in tandem with wind...

> All that being said.. Coal still accounts for the largest single fraction
> of power generation, at 48%.

Which is what we want to change

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From Rick.Durst at pgn.com  Wed May 26 12:22:59 2010
From: Rick.Durst at pgn.com (Rick Durst)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:22:59 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Fleet buyers come Test Drive the Th!nk City
Message-ID: <DB6686604F0FB045BCBAB68912C4F3F60D5D00D3FB@IPEXMAIL.corp.dom>



Opportunity to drive the Th!nk City EV

Are you interested in having EVs in your fleet?  You're invited to a presentation by Tim Cunningham, Western Region Sales Manager of Think EV to learn more.

Did you miss the opportunity when the Think City EV was in Portland last March? Don't miss out on this chance to see what all the buzz is about!

Following the presentation you will have the opportunity to test drive the Think City EV.

When: Thursday, June 3rd

Presentation: 9:00am - 10:00am

Test Drives: 10:00am - Noon

Two World Trade Center, Plaza Room - Enter through the World Trade Center Courtyard (Street Level, near corner of Taylor St. and 1st Ave.)

121 SW Salmon Street  Portland, OR 97204

Please RSVP by Wednesday, June 2nd at Noon to:

 Melissa Hunting

503-464-7784 or

melissa.hunting at pgn.com

Space is limited so please RSVP as soon as possible.

http://www.thinkev.com/

Rick Durst | Portland General Electric
121 SW Salmon St, 3WTC0407 | Portland, Oregon 97204 | *: 503.464-7631 | 7: 503.464-2284 | *: Rick.Durst at pgn.com<mailto:rick.durst at pgn.com>


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From danshoop at msn.com  Wed May 26 18:17:18 2010
From: danshoop at msn.com (Dan Shoop)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:17:18 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Suggestions needed to replace dead battery pack
Message-ID: <BLU146-W17D33E147206722BAECE6FC5EA0@phx.gbl>


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From tim_kutscha at yahoo.com  Wed May 26 22:11:30 2010
From: tim_kutscha at yahoo.com (Tim Kutscha)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:11:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Suggestions needed to replace dead battery pack
In-Reply-To: <BLU146-W17D33E147206722BAECE6FC5EA0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU146-W17D33E147206722BAECE6FC5EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <70615.82398.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Dan,

   I did research on various group-31 batteries for the open-source Honda Civic EV project and ended up using the Concorde Lifeline Group-31 AGM batteries (GPL-31T).  I was initially going to use the Deka 9A31s, but received strong discouragement from the experts at Synkromotive.  

It turns out that Portland Metro put Deka group-31s in their buses and they lasted less than a year.  The basic characteristics are good, but if you look at the life-vs-discharge cycles, they are worse than other group 31 batteries.  Hawker Odyssey batteries are the best, but also the most expensive, by far.  The Concorde Lifelines have copper post terminals so they don't "ooze" like pure lead terminals and they are built for aircraft reliability.

What do others think the best Group-31 battery is?  I've heard good things about Discovery batteries and Synkromotive also tried some Trojan Group-31 AGM batteries in their Jetta.

Cheers,
Tim





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From: Dan Shoop <danshoop at msn.com>
To: oeva-list at oeva.org
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 6:17:18 PM
Subject: [Oeva-list] Suggestions needed to replace dead battery pack

 Interested in replacing 16 dead Excide Orbitals with Deka Gel 8G31's or is there any suggestions?  
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From mbutts at ieee.org  Wed May 26 22:22:56 2010
From: mbutts at ieee.org (Mike Butts)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:22:56 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] "Henry Ford and the electric car"
Message-ID: <AANLkTinGl1f2ZMMzsvF3PLWxS4FhpbroeqktHflYPSsG@mail.gmail.com>

http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2010/05/25/henry-ford-and-the-electric-car/

"The fact is that Mr. Edison and I have been working for some years on an
electric automobile which would be cheap and practicable. Cars have been
built for experimental purposes, and we are satisfied now that the way is
clear to success. The problem so far has been to build a storage battery of
light weight which would operate for long distances without recharging. Mr.
Edison has been experimenting with such a battery for some time." - Henry
Ford, 1914.

  --Mike

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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Wed May 26 23:33:24 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 23:33:24 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan Leaf 2011 Sold-out
Message-ID: <AANLkTimaDe_rkj9MV8WlKVMQ64FCmsi4vliVsphmZXkk@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/business/26auto.html?scp=1&sq=nissan+says+leaf&st=cse
<http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/business/26auto.html?scp=1&sq=nissan+says+leaf&st=cse>
Regards,
Pat
Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice.
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From jbillsnews at flickfx.com  Thu May 27 12:54:50 2010
From: jbillsnews at flickfx.com (J Bills)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:54:50 -0800
Subject: [Oeva-list] insurance win
Message-ID: <AANLkTikacNIvlGCimCb6TO8Nt4KgoeEvlyk8TsnMMAgX@mail.gmail.com>

hey listers -

just thought I'd pass along my insurance experience.? I just went
through the whole process and insured my conversion through Farmers
for what I think is a surprisingly fair rate.? I mean, I get that it's
a 30 yr old car, but they met all my needs and came in a solid 15%
less than quotes from progressive, geico, state farm, etc.?  I did the
full rack of online quotes.

When I got into it with the agent, we discovered a few discounts - one
for "alternative fuel vehicle" (!!) and another "affinty" discount
they called it, for having a job that falls within a certain list of
industries. I do some part time teaching at the art school here in
town, and that qualified me for educator.  I remember seeing military
and a few other professions listed.

There was also a nice discount for paying the whole year in full
(another 10% i think).? That was never an option for me before with
Geico.  So all in all, the savings stacked up substantially and it
only added another $200/yr total to add the EV as our 2nd car, with
the same coverage I had before.? (YMMV)

They were able to do a stated value policy to include the EV
components, and also have a very flexible "storage" plan that knocks
it down to just a fraction of comprehensive coverage if I decide not
to drive it during the winter.? Not sure if I'll do that but good to
know.

I got the initial quote through the farmers website and then finished
up/asked questions through Cody Dittmer in Beaverton. His info:
Cody Ditter
http://www.farmersagent.com/cditter/
4607 SW Bvrtn Hilsdl Hwy
Portland, OR
97221-2909
Phone: 503-442-9245
Fax: 503-427-7822
Email: cditter at farmersagent.com

He seemed "with it."? Also managed to get a better rate on my renters
insurance while I was at it, and there was the multiplan discount if
you had both car & home.  Cody did say that generally people get
better rate quotes from the farmers web than the agents are able to
get, so going through the web first was the route to take.

Overall I'd call it a win!  I have to say I'm a bit relieved at how
easy this was.? Not sure how they will be in the event of an accident,
but so far so good.

FYI, Cody was quick to point out that with the 12 months pay up front
policy, they can't raise the rates for any reason until the end of the
term.? Hopefully they don't sneak it up on me each year - I guess if
they do I could always go with state farm (the next cheapest), but
they were a good 15% or so higher.

Worth asking - anyone have a negative exp w/ Farmers?? (it does have a
bit of a "too good to be true" smell, I have to admit)

If anyone gets a quote and likes what they see, put my name down as a
referral.? not sure what it would get me, but heck why not.

ease on down the road!
-j



From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Thu May 27 22:05:03 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:05:03 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] EV in the Medford Area?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLLe4Zx12PnpXiD34aZZB4cl7_SJkDDQTuDCJq@mail.gmail.com>

 www.theoregongreenexpo.com is looking for EVs to be in their show. If you
are in that area or know any EV-folk in that area, please send me contact
info and I will forward it.

Regards,
Pat
headline you'll never see: Millions of Electrons Spilled on the Gulf Coast
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Thu May 27 22:08:51 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:08:51 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Electric Vehicle Deployment Act of 2010
Message-ID: <AANLkTimDRYLpWja9g2qzS8L11rQpDVIJXKSahdG6HgDy@mail.gmail.com>

>
> First-Ever Nationwide Bill to Encourage Electric Vehicle Deployment

Bipartisan legislation to incentivize transition to electric cars & decrease
> our dependence on foreign oil

http://merkley.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/?id=5c21e59f-b235-4b5a-b4e1-d1436dde3250

Regards,
Pat
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From shuffman at gmail.com  Fri May 28 11:21:30 2010
From: shuffman at gmail.com (Sam Huffman)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:21:30 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Electric Vehicle Deployment Act of 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimDRYLpWja9g2qzS8L11rQpDVIJXKSahdG6HgDy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimDRYLpWja9g2qzS8L11rQpDVIJXKSahdG6HgDy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOU1z3tO14cN_-rDwwl3i3IEDOHRCcmMSfSrwW@mail.gmail.com>

I just sent my comments on the bill (opposed) along with the link below to
their email addresses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

Unfortunately the *right* way to decrease our dependence on foreign oil and
to organically "fuel" (haha) interest in electric vehicles is to increase
the gas tax. It doesn't appear that this bill considers that opportunity.


Sam

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:08 PM, <patrick0101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> First-Ever Nationwide Bill to Encourage Electric Vehicle Deployment
>
> Bipartisan legislation to incentivize transition to electric cars &
>> decrease our dependence on foreign oil
>
>
> http://merkley.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/?id=5c21e59f-b235-4b5a-b4e1-d1436dde3250
>
> Regards,
> Pat
> Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice
>
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From cgoodwin at gmail.com  Fri May 28 11:44:37 2010
From: cgoodwin at gmail.com (Chris Goodwin)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:44:37 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Electric Vehicle Deployment Act of 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikOU1z3tO14cN_-rDwwl3i3IEDOHRCcmMSfSrwW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimDRYLpWja9g2qzS8L11rQpDVIJXKSahdG6HgDy@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikOU1z3tO14cN_-rDwwl3i3IEDOHRCcmMSfSrwW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdPA2c58vEAdjXILvuVRbDt0ee2DkSeIL6F_TY@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:21, Sam Huffman <shuffman at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just sent my comments on the bill (opposed) along with the link below to
> their email addresses.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
>
> Unfortunately the *right* way to decrease our dependence on foreign oil and
> to organically "fuel" (haha) interest in electric vehicles is to increase
> the gas tax. It doesn't appear that this bill considers that opportunity.
>

I would say that increasing the gas tax increases the state's dependency on
gas taxes, and paradoxically makes it harder to get EVs on the road (because
EVs don't use gas....)

Carrot *and* stick.

-- 
Chris Goodwin
cgoodwin at gmail.com
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From patrick0101 at gmail.com  Fri May 28 15:22:40 2010
From: patrick0101 at gmail.com (patrick0101 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 15:22:40 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Electric Vehicle Deployment Act of 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimDRYLpWja9g2qzS8L11rQpDVIJXKSahdG6HgDy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimDRYLpWja9g2qzS8L11rQpDVIJXKSahdG6HgDy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTing50RDCXpPHYzz7UDyRhFaoXQEEwb_XRNuO0n9@mail.gmail.com>

This story
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100528/AUTO01/5280349/Electric-car-tax-break-proposed
says "Communities and their business and utility partners would have to
apply for inclusion."

Does anyone know if Oregon regions are applying and if so, who is leading
the application effort(s)?

Regards,
Pat
Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice


On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:08 PM, <patrick0101 at gmail.com> wrote:

>  First-Ever Nationwide Bill to Encourage Electric Vehicle Deployment
>
> Bipartisan legislation to incentivize transition to electric cars &
>> decrease our dependence on foreign oil
>
>
> http://merkley.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/?id=5c21e59f-b235-4b5a-b4e1-d1436dde3250
>
> Regards,
> Pat
> Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice
>
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From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Sat May 29 08:20:15 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:20:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] S.3442 Electric Vehicle Deployment Act of 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdPA2c58vEAdjXILvuVRbDt0ee2DkSeIL6F_TY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimDRYLpWja9g2qzS8L11rQpDVIJXKSahdG6HgDy@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikOU1z3tO14cN_-rDwwl3i3IEDOHRCcmMSfSrwW@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimdPA2c58vEAdjXILvuVRbDt0ee2DkSeIL6F_TY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d216f493b45aad4335fc977a8e7a9074.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

Somehow they left out the Senate Bill number, but I found it.
S.3442

Title: A bill to promote the deployment of plug-in electric drive
vehicles, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Dorgan, Byron L. [ND] (introduced 5/27/2010)      Cosponsors (2)

Latest Major Action: 5/27/2010 Referred to Senate committee.

Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.

Keep you eye on this link:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:66:./temp/~bdcMJI::|/bss/d111query.html|

The text of the legislation has not been published yet, so check back
after Monday.

Gene



From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Sat May 29 08:27:05 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:27:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] I was notified yesterday moring my Nissan Reservation
 is now complete.
Message-ID: <ee74b4b4cc413f0698095a64a98ae40e.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

I logged on and found out some more details.
They will contact me by June 30th.

The electrical requirements for the charging station are 220V 40Amp breaker.
Darn, I ran for 30Amp to the garage!

Gene




From gfifield at onlinenw.com  Sat May 29 08:33:42 2010
From: gfifield at onlinenw.com (gfifield at onlinenw.com)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:33:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Oeva-list] Nissan will sell Level 3 Charging station for $17,000
Message-ID: <4797e448c432628e854264b1702b0f77.squirrel@mail.onlinenw.com>

http://gas2.org/2010/05/27/nissan-plans-on-selling-an-inexpensive-under-30-minute-fast-charging-station-in-the-u-s/

Text from above gas2.org link:

Nissan shocked everybody a bit earlier this week when they announced they
had developed a DC fast charging station that had the capability of
getting a Nissan LEAF?s 24 kWh battery pack from zero to 80% full in under
a half hour. It wasn?t so much the fast charging capability ? also known
as Level 3 charging ? that shocked. We?ve all known Level 3 charging was
coming. No, it was the price of their charging station.

At about $17,000, it represented an astounding departure from the $60,000
to $150,000 prices that have been quoted for the better part of a year and
a half for a fast charging station. I had a chance to ask Mark Perry,
Nissan?s director of product planning and strategy for North America,
about just how Nissan had pulled it off and what kinds of plans Nissan has
for bringing their Level 3 charging station to the U.S.

*********************************************************

Gene






From timj.pdx at verizon.net  Sat May 29 09:11:14 2010
From: timj.pdx at verizon.net (Tim Johnson)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:11:14 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Electric Vehicle Deployment Act of 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikOU1z3tO14cN_-rDwwl3i3IEDOHRCcmMSfSrwW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimDRYLpWja9g2qzS8L11rQpDVIJXKSahdG6HgDy@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikOU1z3tO14cN_-rDwwl3i3IEDOHRCcmMSfSrwW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C013CA2.50200@verizon.net>

Corollary #1 This bill will never succeed if gas prices remain low
Paradox #1 This bill will be never pass if it includes and gas/oil tax 
increases

Cheap gasoline is an unalienable right guaranteed in the constitution.

Tim


------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim Johnson Scuba Diver
    (503) 629-8625   (Home)
    (503) 757-9012   (Cell)

On 05/28/2010 11:21 AM, Sam Huffman wrote:
> I just sent my comments on the bill (opposed) along with the link 
> below to their email addresses.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
>
> Unfortunately the *right* way to decrease our dependence on foreign 
> oil and to organically "fuel" (haha) interest in electric vehicles is 
> to increase the gas tax. It doesn't appear that this bill considers 
> that opportunity.
>
>
> Sam
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:08 PM, <patrick0101 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:patrick0101 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         First-Ever Nationwide Bill to Encourage Electric Vehicle
>         Deployment
>
>         Bipartisan legislation to incentivize transition to electric
>         cars & decrease our dependence on foreign oil
>
>     http://merkley.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/?id=5c21e59f-b235-4b5a-b4e1-d1436dde3250
>
>     Regards,
>     Pat
>     Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oeva-list mailing list
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From phil.hochstetler at gmail.com  Sat May 29 12:11:43 2010
From: phil.hochstetler at gmail.com (phil hochstetler)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 12:11:43 -0700
Subject: [Oeva-list] Battery charger for sale on Craigslist
Message-ID: <AANLkTikoykabBTqOOjn0lXKnVdodN54l4Dw39KAZ8q43@mail.gmail.com>

Noticed this for sale and thought someone might find it useful
(especially at only $100):

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/tls/1765596621.html