[Oeva-list] Oeva-list Digest, Vol 90, Issue 24

Lanny Thomason southtownelanes at msn.com
Thu Apr 14 11:27:57 PDT 2011







Thanks Chris,  I have to renew mine at the end of the month
last time I went in and titled and renewed I had to pay the
fee schedule listed below , it is still on the same site below
where your link is ....
 
I dont know any fleet use people right now but if the fee is
higher for them I assume they would only change if it is
profitable ..........
 
I assume they stopped at regular fees and did not scroll down...
a brand new or a OEM hybrid or electric is now regular fee ..
any conversion is suppose to be under other vehicles ...
If you scroll down they will show you the following ...
and this fee is for fleet use etc. .. even if you have a OEM hybrid
or electric vehicle ..................


Fee Schedules for Other Vehicles (not including plate fees)



For other vehicle types see fee schedules (the following are PDF files). If the vehicle is hybrid-electric or electric powered, the registration fee is the regular fee + 50% of the regular fee. 


Note: Due to the added costs of merchant fees, DMV offices only accept cash or checks and do not accept credit or debit cards; however many office locations have ATMs available.
 
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> 1. Re: Oregon DMV EV Registration (Chris Arnesen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:14:11 -0700
> From: Chris Arnesen <chris at darkstarpro.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Oregon DMV EV Registration
> To: oeva-list at oeva.org
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> 
> Hi Lanny,
> 
> Oregon DMV dropped the extra registration fee for electric vehicles a 
> while ago apparently. When I picked up my LEAF I thought they were 
> making a mistake charging me the same price as an ICE. They showed me 
> the Oregon DMV website to prove the fee:
> 
> http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/DMV/fees/vehicle.shtml#RegularReg
> 
> Sincerely,
> Chris Arnesen
> 
> On 4/13/2011 10:56 PM, Lanny Thomason wrote:
> > I would also be interested in since the electric vehicles will be 
> > paying (their fair share ?)
> > if the registration fee that is currently regular fee + 50% of regular 
> > fee will be dropped
> > so the electric vehicles will be paying their fair share not the extra 
> > 50% now assesed as
> > fair ? it says this fee is for hybrids and electric vehicle .............
> > That in itself will pay for a couple of months of the increased gas 
> > tax .............
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: oeva-list-request at oeva.org
> > > Subject: Oeva-list Digest, Vol 90, Issue 19
> > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org
> > > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 22:23:18 -0700
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Re: Fwd: Electric car tax -- HB2328 (Lawrence Winiarski)
> > > 2. Re: Fwd: Electric car tax -- HB2328 (Jon Balgley)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 21:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Electric car tax -- HB2328
> > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org, Jon Balgley <jon at photodad.com>
> > > Message-ID: <615781.59307.qm at web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for writing. ? That was an outstanding letter.
> > > Notes:
> > > I see that he claims the tax is .6 cents/mile. ? I see that is in 
> > the "introduced" version of the bill it is .6 cents/mile, but the 
> > house amendments change it to 1.43 cents/mile
> > >
> > > (search for 2328)
> > > http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measures/hb2300.html
> > > Here's a direct link to the amended (and approved 
> > version)http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measures/hb2300.dir/hb2328.a.html
> > > Nowhere in the latest version does it mention 0.6 cents/mile. ? It 
> > only mentions1.43 cents/mile
> > >
> > > Could it be that the chairman doesn't even realize what what he 
> > approved? ??
> > > All three versions are on the oregon legislature site AND the 
> > oregonlive site.
> > > Something is very fishy here. ? I listened to the audio and whitty 
> > (the road usertask force guy...and probably the only guy even writing 
> > the thing down) said"verbally" he changed the fee to be "equitable"
> > > My guess is they screwed up and didn't even realize what they 
> > approved (the vote wasverbal and of course as you can see, pretty 
> > verbose to say the least). ? The road usertask force guy is probably 
> > the only guy who even really knows what he wrote. ?Everyoneelse is 
> > just taking his word that he is being reasonable.
> > > Also, at least 3 members voted "no". ? So this is far from being a 
> > done deal. ? (Ifwe keep fighting)
> > > I'm pretty sure this guy Brian Whitty is likely just trying to make 
> > his pet projectof getting rid of the gas tax a reality. ? That's why 
> > he wants to let the 5000 other ICE vehicles?join in on a plan, which 
> > is gonna be a massive step backwards for movingtoward fuel 
> > efficiency....He likely doesn't give one whit (or is it "whitty") 
> > about electriccars, which is why he moved the rate to probably the 
> > "average" gas economy.
> > > Again...this will be great for gas guzzlers....lousy for fuel 
> > efficient cars.
> > > I'd keep the letter and write him back and let him know of the 
> > error. ? Perhaps thenext committee could at least fix it.
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > If we don't halt population growth with justice and compassion, it 
> > will be done for us by nature, brutally and without pity - and will 
> > leave a ravaged world.
> > >
> > > Nobel Laureate Dr. Henry W. Kendall 023934
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Jon Balgley <jon at photodad.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Jon Balgley <jon at photodad.com>
> > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Electric car tax -- HB2328
> > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org
> > > Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 3:36 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > FYI.
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: Rep Read <read.rep at state.or.us>
> > >
> > > Date: Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 2:05 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Electric car tax -- HB2328
> > > To: Jon Balgley <jon at photodad.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Balgley,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for writing and sharing your concerns with the electric 
> > car tax. I appreciate your perspective on the issue.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I appreciate your concerns about legislation that would create a 
> > disincentive for the emergence of a market for electric vehicles in 
> > Oregon. ?I strongly support the emergence of this new technology and 
> > am working on other legislation to encourage the availability of 
> > electric vehicle charging stations to lessen the worry about charging 
> > up away from home or the office.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As a legislator, I have the challenging task of balancing competing 
> > interests. ?On one hand I support the emergence of electric vehicles 
> > in Oregon. ?On the other hand, as co-chair of the House Committee on 
> > Transportation and Economic Development, I have the responsibility to 
> > ensure the viability of the highway trust fund so that the state can 
> > care for the road system that new electric vehicles will drive upon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am sure you agree that operators of electric vehicles should not 
> > drive our road system for free in perpetuity. ?EV owners should pay 
> > something for their use of the road system. ?The only questions are 
> > what EV owners should pay and when should they pay it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A tax on use need not be regarded as a penalty, as long as it is 
> > fair. ?A road usage tax would be based on use and thus mirrors the gas 
> > tax for standard vehicles. ?Paying based on use is longstanding policy 
> > for road funding in Oregon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > HB 2328 is a bill sponsored by Oregon?s Road User Fee Task Force. 
> > ?The task force has a nine-year tenure in developing new ways to fund 
> > our state?s road system. ?The task force has researched many viable 
> > ways to collect a tax on miles driven, one of which involves wireless 
> > transfer of an odometer reading from a car?s existing odometer. ?This 
> > is not outlandish technology and the bill is based on that method of 
> > reporting, although ODOT will be able to develop other reporting 
> > methods from which motorists may choose to suit their individual needs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As currently written, the bill also has a delayed start date for the 
> > new tax on electric vehicles ? January 1, 2014. ?This will give the EV 
> > market time to take hold before the new tax would be applied. ?Also, 
> > the bill provides that electric vehicles purchased before the 2014 
> > model years would not pay the tax. ?They would drive free. ?That?s an 
> > incentive to purchase early.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Further, the amount of tax paid under HB 2328 would be small as it 
> > is currently written. ?The tax rate was set at a level identical to 
> > what a hybrid electric vehicle currently pays in gas tax, $6 for every 
> > 1,000 miles driven. ?That?s only $6 per month for high volume driving. 
> > ?This does not seem like much of a discouragement to purchase of these 
> > vehicles.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think Oregon can both incent the emergence of a new type of 
> > vehicle technology while at the same time protecting the way the state 
> > funds its road system. ?It is a balancing act and it must be 
> > undertaken with care.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > House Bill 2328 will almost certainly be amended before going 
> > forward. ?You can be assured I will carefully consider the proposed 
> > changes to this bill with a view of supporting but not hindering 
> > customer acceptance of the emerging electric vehicle fleet. ?I will at 
> > the same time, however, make sure that electric vehicle operators pay 
> > a responsible share of necessary funding to ensure the health of the 
> > road system.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > >
> > > From: Jon Balgley [jon at photodad.com]
> > >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 12:28 AM
> > >
> > > To: Rep Read; Sen Hass; Sen Bonamici
> > >
> > > Subject: Electric car tax -- HB2328
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My name is Jon Balgley and I live in Rep. Read's and Sen. Hass's 
> > districts, respectively. ?I have recently purchased an electric car -- 
> > it's an older car converted to all-battery power. ?At some appropriate 
> > time, I would be happy to show the car to you and/or talk to you about 
> > electric cars in general.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I strongly urge you to take appropriate action against HB2328 in its 
> > current form. ?There are a number of reasons why this bill would be a 
> > bad law:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. ?First and foremost, it sends the wrong message, at this point in 
> > time. ?Taxation can be used to encourage or discourage actions by 
> > citizens. ?As I'm sure you're aware, increasing taxes will tend to 
> > discourage the taxed behavior. ?I believe that as a society, we want 
> > to reduce the use of fossil fuels. ?So as part of that, we want to 
> > encourage the use of electric vehicles -- especially here in Oregon 
> > where most of our electricity is generated from hydropower. ?Adding 
> > taxes and potentially burdensome procedures will discourage the 
> > purchase and use of electric vehicles.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. Although its purpose is to "augment the fuel tax", I believe it 
> > will produce a net-negative revenue impact, and a net-positive impact 
> > on tax-free gasoline usage. ?That's because it is written as an 
> > *option* for (up to 5000) non-electric vehicles. ?So the owner of any 
> > gasoline-powered vehicle can choose to pay $0.0143/mile instead of the 
> > $0.30/gallon gas tax (ignoring additional local taxes). ?Why would 
> > someone choose to do this? ?When their gasoline tax cost per mile 
> > exceeds $0.0143 per mile. ?If you do the math, the break-even point is 
> > around 21 miles per gallon. ?That is, any vehicle which gets LESS than 
> > 21 mpg, would pay LESS tax if they sign up for the new "electric car 
> > tax". ?Many SUVs and large pickups get less than 21 mpg. ?So we would 
> > be encouraging the worst offenders. ?You can bet that people who drive 
> > the most inefficient vehicles will be the first to sign up! ?And would 
> > *encourage* the use
> > > of those vehicles! ?Balance that against the "less than 1000" 
> > (according to the Oregonian) electric vehicles currently on the road, 
> > and which have limited range (will pay limited mileage-based tax) 
> > compared to gasoline-powered vehicles.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 3. ?As proposed, this bill effectively taxes electric vehicles at 
> > much higher rates than gasoline-powered vehicles. ?As shown in the 
> > previous point, the proposed tax is "break-even" for a vehicle that 
> > gets 21 miles per gallon of gasoline. ?The Nissan Leaf and Chevrolet 
> > Volt are rated by the EPA at 99 and 93 "MPG equivalent". So these 
> > vehicles would pay more than 4 times as much tax as a "typical" 21 mpg 
> > gasoline car.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 4. There are a number of less-important reasons why this bill would 
> > make a bad law:
> > >
> > > ?A. It specifies relatively draconian punishments for relatively 
> > small infractions.
> > >
> > > ?B. It does not account for the cost of implementation on the 
> > state's side. ?A complex new collection mechanism may cost more than 
> > the increase in revenues itself!
> > >
> > > ?C. It does not account for the complexities on the consumer side. 
> > ?It seems like it might introduce a complex and/or burdensome new system.
> > >
> > > ?D. It does not account for the disproportionate damage to roads 
> > caused by heavier vehicles. ?Road damage is exponentially related to 
> > weight (to the 4th power!), but gas usage (and gas-tax revenue) is 
> > linearly related.
> > >
> > >
> > > ?E. It does not account for other factors that cause 
> > disproportionate damage to roads, such as the use of studded tires.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Finally, I would like to say that it is beneficial to begin to raise 
> > these questions. ?It's clear that the sponsor of HB2328 believes that 
> > electric vehicles will become popular enough to make a difference to 
> > Oregon's current revenue structure. ?I look forward to that day, and 
> > when it comes, I will be happy to pay my fair share. ?But for the 
> > reasons above, HB2328 would make a bad law, and I again urge you to 
> > vote or otherwise move against it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon Balgley
> > >
> > > 5470 SW Dover Loop
> > >
> > > Portland, OR 97225
> > >
> > > 503-312-7937
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:23:03 +0800
> > > From: Jon Balgley <jon at photodad.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Electric car tax -- HB2328
> > > To: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski at yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org
> > > Message-ID: <BANLkTikJPHJ8_6BqyDqfwOPK2dmANS_rpA at mail.gmail.com>
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> > >
> > > I didn't notice this at first:
> > >
> > > "Also, the bill provides that electric vehicles purchased before the
> > > 2014 model years would not pay the tax. They would drive free. "
> > >
> > > I think he's referring to this section:
> > >
> > > SECTION 33. { + Applicability. Sections 1 to 23, 26 and 31 of
> > > this 2011 Act and the amendments to ORS 319.280, 319.550,
> > > 319.665, 319.831, 367.802 and 807.250 by sections 24, 25 and 27
> > > to 30 of this 2011 Act first apply to 2014 model year motor
> > > vehicles. + }
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Lawrence Winiarski <
> > > lawrence_winiarski at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you very much for writing. That was an outstanding letter.
> > > >
> > > > Notes:
> > > >
> > > > I see that he claims the tax is .6 cents/mile. I see that is in the
> > > > "introduced" version of the bill it is .6 cents/mile, but the house
> > > > amendments change it to 1.43 cents/mile
> > > >
> > > > (search for 2328)
> > > > http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measures/hb2300.html
> > > >
> > > > Here's a direct link to the amended (and approved version)
> > > > http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measures/hb2300.dir/hb2328.a.html
> > > >
> > > > Nowhere in the latest version does it mention 0.6 cents/mile. It only
> > > > mentions
> > > > 1.43 cents/mile
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.leg.state.or.us/11reg/measures/hb2300.html>
> > > > Could it be that the chairman doesn't even realize what what he 
> > approved?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All three versions are on the oregon legislature site AND the 
> > oregonlive
> > > > site.
> > > >
> > > > Something is very fishy here. I listened to the audio and whitty (the
> > > > road user
> > > > task force guy...and probably the only guy even writing the thing 
> > down)
> > > > said
> > > > "verbally" he changed the fee to be "equitable"
> > > >
> > > > My guess is they screwed up and didn't even realize what they 
> > approved (the
> > > > vote was
> > > > verbal and of course as you can see, pretty verbose to say the least).
> > > > The road user
> > > > task force guy is probably the only guy who even really knows what he
> > > > wrote. Everyone
> > > > else is just taking his word that he is being reasonable.
> > > >
> > > > Also, at least 3 members voted "no". So this is far from being a done
> > > > deal. (If
> > > > we keep fighting)
> > > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure this guy Brian Whitty is likely just trying to 
> > make his pet
> > > > project
> > > > of getting rid of the gas tax a reality. That's why he wants to 
> > let the
> > > > 5000 other ICE vehicles join in on a plan, which is gonna be a 
> > massive step
> > > > backwards for moving
> > > > toward fuel efficiency....He likely doesn't give one whit (or is it
> > > > "whitty") about electric
> > > > cars, which is why he moved the rate to probably the "average" gas 
> > economy.
> > > >
> > > > Again...this will be great for gas guzzlers....lousy for fuel 
> > efficient
> > > > cars.
> > > >
> > > > I'd keep the letter and write him back and let him know of the error.
> > > > Perhaps the
> > > > next committee could at least fix it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > If we don't halt population growth with justice and compassion, it 
> > will be
> > > > done for us by nature, brutally and without pity - and will leave 
> > a ravaged
> > > > world.
> > > >
> > > > Nobel Laureate Dr. Henry W. Kendall 023934
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Jon Balgley <jon at photodad.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Jon Balgley <jon at photodad.com>
> > > > Subject: [Oeva-list] Fwd: Electric car tax -- HB2328
> > > > To: oeva-list at oeva.org
> > > > Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 3:36 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > FYI.
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > From: Rep Read <read.rep at state.or.us>
> > > >
> > > > Date: Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 2:05 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Electric car tax -- HB2328
> > > > To: Jon Balgley <jon at photodad.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Mr. Balgley,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for writing and sharing your concerns with the electric 
> > car tax.
> > > > I appreciate your perspective on the issue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate your concerns about legislation that would create a
> > > > disincentive for the emergence of a market for electric vehicles 
> > in Oregon.
> > > > I strongly support the emergence of this new technology and am 
> > working on
> > > > other legislation to encourage the availability of electric 
> > vehicle charging
> > > > stations to lessen the worry about charging up away from home or 
> > the office.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As a legislator, I have the challenging task of balancing competing
> > > > interests. On one hand I support the emergence of electric vehicles in
> > > > Oregon. On the other hand, as co-chair of the House Committee on
> > > > Transportation and Economic Development, I have the responsibility 
> > to ensure
> > > > the viability of the highway trust fund so that the state can care 
> > for the
> > > > road system that new electric vehicles will drive upon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am sure you agree that operators of electric vehicles should not 
> > drive
> > > > our road system for free in perpetuity. EV owners should pay 
> > something for
> > > > their use of the road system. The only questions are what EV 
> > owners should
> > > > pay and when should they pay it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A tax on use need not be regarded as a penalty, as long as it is 
> > fair. A
> > > > road usage tax would be based on use and thus mirrors the gas tax for
> > > > standard vehicles. Paying based on use is longstanding policy for road
> > > > funding in Oregon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HB 2328 is a bill sponsored by Oregon?s Road User Fee Task Force. 
> > The task
> > > > force has a nine-year tenure in developing new ways to fund our 
> > state?s road
> > > > system. The task force has researched many viable ways to collect 
> > a tax on
> > > > miles driven, one of which involves wireless transfer of an 
> > odometer reading
> > > > from a car?s existing odometer. This is not outlandish technology 
> > and the
> > > > bill is based on that method of reporting, although ODOT will be 
> > able to
> > > > develop other reporting methods from which motorists may choose to 
> > suit
> > > > their individual needs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As currently written, the bill also has a delayed start date for 
> > the new
> > > > tax on electric vehicles ? January 1, 2014. This will give the EV 
> > market
> > > > time to take hold before the new tax would be applied. Also, the bill
> > > > provides that electric vehicles purchased before the 2014 model 
> > years would
> > > > not pay the tax. They would drive free. That?s an incentive to 
> > purchase
> > > > early.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Further, the amount of tax paid under HB 2328 would be small as it is
> > > > currently written. The tax rate was set at a level identical to what a
> > > > hybrid electric vehicle currently pays in gas tax, $6 for every 
> > 1,000 miles
> > > > driven. That?s only $6 per month for high volume driving. This 
> > does not
> > > > seem like much of a discouragement to purchase of these vehicles.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think Oregon can both incent the emergence of a new type of vehicle
> > > > technology while at the same time protecting the way the state 
> > funds its
> > > > road system. It is a balancing act and it must be undertaken with 
> > care.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > House Bill 2328 will almost certainly be amended before going 
> > forward. You
> > > > can be assured I will carefully consider the proposed changes to 
> > this bill
> > > > with a view of supporting but not hindering customer acceptance of the
> > > > emerging electric vehicle fleet. I will at the same time, however, 
> > make
> > > > sure that electric vehicle operators pay a responsible share of 
> > necessary
> > > > funding to ensure the health of the road system.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: Jon Balgley [jon at photodad.com]
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 12:28 AM
> > > >
> > > > To: Rep Read; Sen Hass; Sen Bonamici
> > > >
> > > > Subject: Electric car tax -- HB2328
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My name is Jon Balgley and I live in Rep. Read's and Sen. Hass's 
> > districts,
> > > > respectively. I have recently purchased an electric car -- it's an 
> > older
> > > > car converted to all-battery power. At some appropriate time, I 
> > would be
> > > > happy to show the car to you and/or talk to you about electric cars in
> > > > general.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I strongly urge you to take appropriate action against HB2328 in its
> > > > current form. There are a number of reasons why this bill would be 
> > a bad
> > > > law:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1. First and foremost, it sends the wrong message, at this point 
> > in time.
> > > > Taxation can be used to encourage or discourage actions by 
> > citizens. As
> > > > I'm sure you're aware, increasing taxes will tend to discourage 
> > the taxed
> > > > behavior. I believe that as a society, we want to reduce the use 
> > of fossil
> > > > fuels. So as part of that, we want to encourage the use of electric
> > > > vehicles -- especially here in Oregon where most of our electricity is
> > > > generated from hydropower. Adding taxes and potentially burdensome
> > > > procedures will discourage the purchase and use of electric vehicles.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2. Although its purpose is to "augment the fuel tax", I believe it 
> > will
> > > > produce a net-negative revenue impact, and a net-positive impact 
> > on tax-free
> > > > gasoline usage. That's because it is written as an *option* for (up to
> > > > 5000) non-electric vehicles. So the owner of any gasoline-powered 
> > vehicle
> > > > can choose to pay $0.0143/mile instead of the $0.30/gallon gas tax 
> > (ignoring
> > > > additional local taxes). Why would someone choose to do this? When 
> > their
> > > > gasoline tax cost per mile exceeds $0.0143 per mile. If you do the 
> > math,
> > > > the break-even point is around 21 miles per gallon. That is, any 
> > vehicle
> > > > which gets LESS than 21 mpg, would pay LESS tax if they sign up 
> > for the new
> > > > "electric car tax". Many SUVs and large pickups get less than 21 
> > mpg. So
> > > > we would be encouraging the worst offenders. You can bet that 
> > people who
> > > > drive the most inefficient vehicles will be the first to sign up! 
> > And would
> > > > *encourage* the use
> > > > of those vehicles! Balance that against the "less than 1000" 
> > (according to
> > > > the Oregonian) electric vehicles currently on the road, and which have
> > > > limited range (will pay limited mileage-based tax) compared to
> > > > gasoline-powered vehicles.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 3. As proposed, this bill effectively taxes electric vehicles at much
> > > > higher rates than gasoline-powered vehicles. As shown in the previous
> > > > point, the proposed tax is "break-even" for a vehicle that gets 21 
> > miles per
> > > > gallon of gasoline. The Nissan Leaf and Chevrolet Volt are rated 
> > by the EPA
> > > > at 99 and 93 "MPG equivalent". So these vehicles would pay more 
> > than 4 times
> > > > as much tax as a "typical" 21 mpg gasoline car.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 4. There are a number of less-important reasons why this bill 
> > would make a
> > > > bad law:
> > > >
> > > > A. It specifies relatively draconian punishments for relatively small
> > > > infractions.
> > > >
> > > > B. It does not account for the cost of implementation on the 
> > state's side.
> > > > A complex new collection mechanism may cost more than the increase in
> > > > revenues itself!
> > > >
> > > > C. It does not account for the complexities on the consumer side. It
> > > > seems like it might introduce a complex and/or burdensome new system.
> > > >
> > > > D. It does not account for the disproportionate damage to roads 
> > caused by
> > > > heavier vehicles. Road damage is exponentially related to weight 
> > (to the
> > > > 4th power!), but gas usage (and gas-tax revenue) is linearly related.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > E. It does not account for other factors that cause disproportionate
> > > > damage to roads, such as the use of studded tires.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Finally, I would like to say that it is beneficial to begin to 
> > raise these
> > > > questions. It's clear that the sponsor of HB2328 believes that 
> > electric
> > > > vehicles will become popular enough to make a difference to 
> > Oregon's current
> > > > revenue structure. I look forward to that day, and when it comes, 
> > I will be
> > > > happy to pay my fair share. But for the reasons above, HB2328 
> > would make a
> > > > bad law, and I again urge you to vote or otherwise move against it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jon Balgley
> > > >
> > > > 5470 SW Dover Loop
> > > >
> > > > Portland, OR 97225
> > > >
> > > > 503-312-7937
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