[Oeva-list] maiden voyage of Leaf

Lanny Thomason southtownelanes at msn.com
Sun Apr 17 21:26:17 PDT 2011

Thanks for the great blow by blow on your weekend run !!! amazing even
though you do not have the infrastucture needed for the EV's totally yet
I know you listed a couple of sites to get your travel arangements , I know
that there was going to be a application for all the chargers ? is that available
yet ? does anyone know ...  I live in eugene and have a 70 mile range
with my ranger ev and want to take a trip to portland but going up I-5
with the chance of not having a charger available can give anyone range
anxiety ....  but if there is a app. available to take with you with a cell
or pad it would be great ...
  also does anyone have a list yet of the proposed charging stations that
will be installed up and down I-5 and the dates they will be installed ?
  Looking forward to your distance tests ....
Thanks again for sharing !!!
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> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:46:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Steve's Account" <stevel at fern.com>
> Subject: [Oeva-list] Siemens charger effiency
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> > Siemens introducing new 22 kW fast charging station for plug-ins
> I wonder how the high rate chargers effect overall charging efficiency. I'd
> expect a lot more energy to be rejected as heat if the rate is too high.
> Steve
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> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:48:12 -0700
> From: Nick <nickgaladay at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Any official OEVA position on state user
> taxes for EVs
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> The input I?ve read so far, particularly the position paper presented by Jon
> Balgley, sound spot on, well reasoned and represents OEVA well. I believe
> as we become more politically visible as an advocate for EVs we need to
> protect our credibility by presenting a united front when presenting
> ourselves publically. In that vein I must confess to shooting from the hip
> in a recent letter to my state representative. So, in keeping with my own
> council and so the left hand knows what the right had is saying, here?s a
> copy of what I said (without benefit of the thought process) to
> Representative Brad Witt:
> ?Hi Brad,
> First, thank you in advance for your indulgence. Here?s something I
> contributed to our Oregon Electric Vehicle Association discussion about the
> proposed mileage tax for EVs. As I said before, let?s wait until we have
> more than the few hundred EVs on the road before we get all twisted in a
> knot about ?fairness?. Clearly, it?s nuts to try to encourage the adoption
> of EVs through federal and state tax breaks while simultaneously surcharging
> them with a mileage tax. I would also hope that when we do get around to
> dealing with what will eventually be a large loss in motor fuel revenues due
> to EVs, that we give the subject a little more thought beyond a 1.43 ? /
> mile mileage tax. Besides being excessive, it?s unenforceable and invasive
> of privacy. You?re welcome to subscribe to our OEVA discussions:
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> I wrote this with only a partial tongue in cheek. Once less and less fuel
> is being used and thus available as a source of highway revenue, we?ll need
> to look at other ways (such as a tire tax) of equitably generating user fees
> to support our highway maintenance. Here are some of my thoughts:
> A higher fuel tax would not only raise revenue but would also act like a
> carbon tax discouraging the use of fossil fuels; not a bad thing.
> But a more significant revenue raising opportunity we're missing is our
> license plates. We here in Oregon pay what has to be the lowest tax
> anywhere for our license plates while our highways suffer. New York has
> long charged based on weight owing to its obvious strong impact on highway
> maintenance costs. I think the cost of our license tags should have added
> penalties for other vehicle characteristics as well, to whatever extent they
> add cost, complicate our highway use, or otherwise render it less pleasant
> or less safe. Let?s put a surcharge on: Every pound in GVW over 3,500 lbs.
> (the weight of a Camry), any vehicle that can't be seen through or over from
> behind from the driver's seat of your basic Camry (seeing what?s in front of
> the car in front of you greatly reduces accidents), West Coast mirrors that
> can knock a bicyclist (or pedestrian) off into the mud, a Reese type trailer
> hitch to stuff into your grill while parallel parking or prang your shins on
> in a dark parking lot, studded tires, engine noise over 40 db at idle, any
> foul odor (use of high-sulfur diesel e.g.), wheels too big to be contained
> by an average curbstone (that's what curbstones were originally for after
> all). These are just a few of my pet peeves that cost us all a little
> something every day. One in a thousand cars being electric? - doesn't cost
> me a dime! Less impact on me than having to watch for bicycles in fact.?
> Nick Galaday
> Vernonia, OR 97064
> Energy conservation--
> saves more than energy!
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> From: Alan Batie <alan at batie.org>
> Subject: [Oeva-list] Maiden Voyage of a Leaf
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> or: To Portland and Back...
> Summary:
> Corvallis->Portland in 3 1/2 hrs
> Portland->Corvallis probably 4 1/2 hrs
> McMinnville Nissan key to pulling it off, but they need to leave their
> charger on...
> 234 EV miles in one trip over the weekend
> Having picked up my new Leaf (turned over a new leaf?) Wed, and
> discovering it's surprisingly low range on the freeway, I decided I
> should spend this weekend seeing what it *could* do. Quite a lot, as it
> turns out, though I still need to characterize the freeway range more
> clearly...
> I started by looking around to see where I could go that was about 30-40
> miles as I should be able to get there and back with careful driving. I
> looked at Salem and Eugene and Falls City (they have a nice pizza
> place). Salem, oddly enough, has *no* level 2 chargers for some reason.
> You would think their Nissan dealer would... I was also playing with
> on the Leaf Owner's Portal and Carwings sites, and found the "Route
> Planner" there. It's a basic map routing based on google maps, but
> knows about charging stations, though it times out for some reason, and
> all too quickly, making you start over.
> Between that and the http://electric.carstations.com/ site which it
> links to, I noticed that the Nissan in McMinnville had a level 2
> charger, and was only about 45 miles away, and the fast charger in
> downtown Portland was only 35 miles from there. If I drove 55, I could
> go to McMinnville, charge for an hour, drive to the fast charger and
> fill up in 1/2 hr and then the Portland area is mine for the taking ;-)
> And I can reverse the process. It's rather longer time charging than I
> hoped when I ordered the Leaf, but it was doable.
> Since the trip depended on the McMinnville charger, I thought I'd better
> call ahead and double check. Later, the gal that answered the phone
> said she thought it was a crank call at first ;-) She said she'd go
> make sure it was turned on (which seemed odd for something wired in),
> and I headed off, after Toby and Joyce stopped by to pickup the old
> Solectria I traded Joyce in exchange for my old Explorer back.
> I finally got out of Corvallis around 2pm, and made it to the Nissan
> dealer around 3:15ish. They had to kick a salesman's car out of the EV
> spot, then I plugged in, having used about 3/4 charge to go the 46
> miles. I chatted with a couple people briefly about it, then went over
> to the Pizza Hut next door for lunch while it charged. I came back and
> decided that the business of "need to make sure it's turned on" was a
> little disconcerting, since I needed it to get home. I went in to talk
> to someone about it and was assured it would be left on.
> At this point, it had charged for about 50 minutes, taking it from 38
> miles estimated to 52 and I decided that was good enough to go the 36
> miles to the WTC parking garage in Portland (where the fast charger is).
> That was about 4:15pm and I got to the fast charger at 5:30 with the
> estimator reading 18 miles and the guage just down to the red line.
> That was pretty good considering the estimator dropped 34 miles when I
> went 37, but this trip is probably the first time in my life I've toed
> the speed limit ;-) I did take Barbur all the way, but would probably
> take I-5 from where Barbur crosses it because it's 55, down a pretty
> good grade, and no stop-and-go stop lights.
> It hadn't turtled yet though, but did put up a "Battery level is low"
> warning, and in fact that's the next test I need to perform: find out
> just where the lower limit is before it "turtles" (goes into reduced
> power mode, where you're limited to about 25mph).
> It took a couple tries to figure out the interlock mechanism on the
> quick charger --- a 50kw power source wants to take extra precautions to
> make sure you don't fry yourself! You have to hold down the red lever
> and *not* hold on the black lever, and wiggle the nozzle just right so
> it springs out so you can then release the red lever and squeeze the
> black lever to lock it in place. It's a little complicated, but once
> you've done it a couple times, I think it'll be no problem.
> And wow! You can watch it count up percentages! I chatted with the
> gate attendant to the garage a bit, then went to recycle some diet coke
> and came back to find it already nearly to 80%, which is when it was
> supposed to stop, according to the manual (on re-reading it now, I see
> that it's *90*%, not 80%). It's a little confusing because when you
> start, it gives a "time remaining" that's about an hour, but now that I
> write this, I remember that they have a one hour limit to prevent doing
> too much damage if something goes wrong and the charging doesn't stop.
> I also checked out the EV area there --- they have several EV parking
> spots, though the ones in front of the quick charger are really short,
> so your car sticks out. There's actually a fair amount of room, but
> it's right at the bottom of the entrance ramp, and the second time I was
> there, a large pickup had to backup once to make the turn with my car there.
> There is also a Tesla charger and a Blink charger, and true to form, the
> Blink charger was crashed with a "System Error" and some diagnostic
> info. I'd thought about topping off to 100% with it after 80% quick
> charge, but decided to leave the screen alone (probably "touch here to
> reload screen" would have cleared it, but I didn't really need to top
> off and wanted to leave the message for whoever manages the charging
> stations.
> I watched the counter go up to 81% and thought maybe it was going to go
> to 100% after all, so I went over to Pioneer Place for a bit and got
> some chocolates at Moonstruck (it seems Godiva isn't there anymore,
> unfortunately! but I think Moonstruck is local and they're good too).
> When I got back, around 6:30pm, I found it had only run for another 6
> minutes and had basically stopped at what the car thought was 80%. Not
> sure why they disagreed...
> One friend was busy, but another one, who lives in Battle Ground, was
> available, and his place is about 26 miles from the WTC, so I headed up
> there, showed him the car, and then we went out to dinner at a nice
> little local restaurant. The estimator went from 88miles to 52 miles (a
> drop of 36) for the 26-27 mile trip, which I did take the freeway on
> because the freeway in there is 55-60 (with a couple of miles of 70
> before the Battle Ground turn off).
> After dinner, I headed back to the WTC for a quick recharge. We'd
> driven around a little and I decided to take "surface streets" (a weird
> name for non-freeway streets ;-) ) since the estimator had dropped so
> much, in fact it only dropped 32 miles, to 20, by the time I got back,
> including a couple of miles of running around in BG (and my friend lives
> at the top of a steep hill).
> By the time I got back to the WTC, it was 10:30, and I knew it was going
> to be a late night getting home. According to the manual, if you start
> quick charging with the battery below half full, it will stop at 90%,
> but if you start it over half, it will charge to 100%. I wanted to
> minimize the time in McMinnville with the lower powered charger, so
> wanted to take the battery to 100% here, but pushing the start button
> again (as the manual says), nor even taking the nozzle out and
> restarting the process completely from scratch worked. So I resigned
> myself to a 2 hr stop in McMinnville (when I came up from Corvallis, I
> was starting with a full charge, not a 90% charge).
> I got to McMinnville at midnight, and just as I feared, the lights were
> out on the charging station there. I'd thought about getting someone's
> phone number, and now I realized I should have talked to whoever was
> actually going to lock up, because I know businesses have a habit of
> using circuit breakers as switches when they close up. I thought about
> options, but at midnight, I didn't think either my cousin in
> Independence (which I thought I could make, the estimator still said 40
> miles), nor a friend who lives in McMinnville (but I haven't seen in a
> long time and who often stays in Portland) would want a call. I found a
> motel and asked if they had an outside outlet for the 110 adapter that
> comes with the leaf, but no such luck. There was a gas station next
> door that had an outlet where the vending and ice machines were plugged
> in, but I'd forgotten the long extension cord I'd intended to toss in
> for just this eventuality and without it, the car would have to be
> parked in the way, and it probably would have overloaded the circuit
> anyhow. At least I *did* have my CPAP machine, which I'd tossed in as
> this sort of thing was a distinct possibility given that I was trying to
> see what the vehicle could and couldn't do. I slept fitfully, wondering
> what I was going to do if the Nissan dealership wasn't open on Sunday
> (and the one in Corvallis *isn't*), as the 110V charging would take
> about 10 hrs to do enough to get me home.
> Fortunately, when I got to the Nissan dealership at 10:30 the next
> morning, they were open (even though the sign on the door said 11am) and
> they got someone to turn on the charger. I plugged in and got it going,
> then asked where a good breakfast place was. Turns out there's one
> right next door (the opposite side from Pizza Hut), but when I got
> there, they *are* closed on Sundays. So I settled for Jack-in-the-Box.
> Taking my time, I got back after an hour, and it had gone from 34
> (after driving to the hotel and back) to 52, but it was only 1/2 full
> and it had taken 3/4 to get there, so wanted to give it another hour.
> About that time, my friend called, having seen my post on Facebook that
> I was stranded there and came down to get me for a visit. While
> waiting, I went in and talked to the sales manager, who turned out to be
> the one who'd assured me that it would be on the previous night. I
> pointed out that at the moment, he's critical infrastructure for EVs and
> it wouldn't take too many experiences like this to kill the whole thing.
> He apologized and said he'd talk to the owner and they'd see it was
> left on in the future. I suppose now us EV owners need to make a point
> of using it ;-)
> Jerry showed up and we went back up to his house up in the hills out of
> McMinnville for a nice catchup visit and he said I should have called
> him at midnight --- it would have worked out well, because I could have
> made it (if I could find it --- his driveway is hard to spot and it's
> been a while ;-) ), and then at 110V all night and half the day while
> visiting with him would have been sufficient. I'll probably make use of
> that visiting him in the future.
> I got back to the car a little before 4pm, and by now it was 100%
> charged, with the estimator reading 91 miles. Since I was headed home,
> this allowed me to stop pussy footing it --- I drove back at 60mph with
> the air conditioning on, arriving home a little after 5pm with the
> estimator reading 27 miles --- down 64 miles for the 50 mile trip.
> The local Corvallis dealership is right on 99 on the way into town, so I
> swung in and was pleased to see that, despite being closed, their
> charger was lit up and operational...
> Despite the hiccup in McMinnville, the weekend far surpassed my
> expectations --- I half expected to have to stop and turn around
> actually. But instead of the 60-70 miles I thought I'd go when I
> originally started planning an experimental trip, I drove 234 miles and
> the stops for charging weren't as bad as I expected. Partly that was
> novelty, it would be too painful to do frequently, but with only a
> little planning and incorporating the stops into it, driving to Portland
> is quite doable, and that's *without* the quick charger near Salem that
> I thought would be a requirement. It will certainly make the process
> easier if it works out that I can actually make it that far on the
> freeway without pissing off other drivers, but it's far from a
> requirement.
> So, the next steps are to figure out just what I can get away with on
> the freeway, and just how far I can really push it in a pinch...
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