[Oeva-list] Maiden Voyage of a Leaf
john.p.christian at gmail.com
Mon Apr 18 11:55:13 PDT 2011
Great report Chris.
Another case of range anxiety successfully defeated.
John P. Christian
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Wow, great writeup Alan!
My wife and I plan on going to McMinnville a few times this summer to
visit the aviation museum, so that is some great information about the
Yesterday my wife and I went to visit some friends in Longview (from our
home in Hillsboro). The trip was about 52 miles one-way, so we knew we
would need some charging. Unfortunately our friends live in an apartment
so some good old 240 volt charging was out of the question. I contacted
Columbia Nissan in Longview and asked if they had a charging unit and
they let me know I was more than welcome to use it until they close at 6pm.
We left at 10am and traveled down Cornelius Pass, then north on Hwy 30
to Rainier, where we crossed into Longview. We arrived with 42%
state-of-charge remaining at about 11:30 at the dealership where we
found the charging station, but we needed to find someone to turn it on.
I chatted with a couple of sales associates while someone else was
getting it powered on, but it was ready to go in about 10 minutes.
Our friends were on the other side of town (about 5 miles away), but we
were to meet up with them at 4pm anyhow, so we walked the couple of
blocks into downtown Longview and had a great lunch at the Olde
Creekside Cafe and did some shopping in their various stores. We got
back to our car at about 3:30 and found that it now had about a 95%
state-of-charge so we were good to go!
After goofing off with friends showing them the car and getting ready to
head home, we left with about a 90% state-of-charge. Since it was about
9:30pm, it started to get chilly out so we needed to use the heater a
bit on the way home. We pulled into the house with a 25% state-of-charge
remaining and got it right on the charging station for a good night's rest.
Overall, the car performed better than I was expecting. While we were in
Longview, I found that the city hall has lots of 120 volt and a couple
of 240 volt plugs, so I might give them a call to see if we could use
their outlets on our next trip.
It looks like our next big trip will be from Hillsboro to the Mt. Hood
Green Scene show on May 14th. It will be about 60 miles one-way, but
they'll have a 240 volt outlet available for me before the show and a
120 volt outlet during the show. Between the two outlets I should have a
full charge by the end of the event.
On 4/17/2011 7:50 PM, Alan Batie wrote:
> or: To Portland and Back...
> Corvallis->Portland in 3 1/2 hrs
> Portland->Corvallis probably 4 1/2 hrs
> McMinnville Nissan key to pulling it off, but they need to leave their
> charger on...
> 234 EV miles in one trip over the weekend
> Having picked up my new Leaf (turned over a new leaf?) Wed, and
> discovering it's surprisingly low range on the freeway, I decided I
> should spend this weekend seeing what it *could* do. Quite a lot, as it
> turns out, though I still need to characterize the freeway range more
> I started by looking around to see where I could go that was about 30-40
> miles as I should be able to get there and back with careful driving. I
> looked at Salem and Eugene and Falls City (they have a nice pizza
> place). Salem, oddly enough, has *no* level 2 chargers for some reason.
> You would think their Nissan dealer would... I was also playing with
> on the Leaf Owner's Portal and Carwings sites, and found the "Route
> Planner" there. It's a basic map routing based on google maps, but
> knows about charging stations, though it times out for some reason, and
> all too quickly, making you start over.
> Between that and the http://electric.carstations.com/ site which it
> links to, I noticed that the Nissan in McMinnville had a level 2
> charger, and was only about 45 miles away, and the fast charger in
> downtown Portland was only 35 miles from there. If I drove 55, I could
> go to McMinnville, charge for an hour, drive to the fast charger and
> fill up in 1/2 hr and then the Portland area is mine for the taking ;-)
> And I can reverse the process. It's rather longer time charging than I
> hoped when I ordered the Leaf, but it was doable.
> Since the trip depended on the McMinnville charger, I thought I'd better
> call ahead and double check. Later, the gal that answered the phone
> said she thought it was a crank call at first ;-) She said she'd go
> make sure it was turned on (which seemed odd for something wired in),
> and I headed off, after Toby and Joyce stopped by to pickup the old
> Solectria I traded Joyce in exchange for my old Explorer back.
> I finally got out of Corvallis around 2pm, and made it to the Nissan
> dealer around 3:15ish. They had to kick a salesman's car out of the EV
> spot, then I plugged in, having used about 3/4 charge to go the 46
> miles. I chatted with a couple people briefly about it, then went over
> to the Pizza Hut next door for lunch while it charged. I came back and
> decided that the business of "need to make sure it's turned on" was a
> little disconcerting, since I needed it to get home. I went in to talk
> to someone about it and was assured it would be left on.
> At this point, it had charged for about 50 minutes, taking it from 38
> miles estimated to 52 and I decided that was good enough to go the 36
> miles to the WTC parking garage in Portland (where the fast charger is).
> That was about 4:15pm and I got to the fast charger at 5:30 with the
> estimator reading 18 miles and the guage just down to the red line.
> That was pretty good considering the estimator dropped 34 miles when I
> went 37, but this trip is probably the first time in my life I've toed
> the speed limit ;-) I did take Barbur all the way, but would probably
> take I-5 from where Barbur crosses it because it's 55, down a pretty
> good grade, and no stop-and-go stop lights.
> It hadn't turtled yet though, but did put up a "Battery level is low"
> warning, and in fact that's the next test I need to perform: find out
> just where the lower limit is before it "turtles" (goes into reduced
> power mode, where you're limited to about 25mph).
> It took a couple tries to figure out the interlock mechanism on the
> quick charger --- a 50kw power source wants to take extra precautions to
> make sure you don't fry yourself! You have to hold down the red lever
> and *not* hold on the black lever, and wiggle the nozzle just right so
> it springs out so you can then release the red lever and squeeze the
> black lever to lock it in place. It's a little complicated, but once
> you've done it a couple times, I think it'll be no problem.
> And wow! You can watch it count up percentages! I chatted with the
> gate attendant to the garage a bit, then went to recycle some diet coke
> and came back to find it already nearly to 80%, which is when it was
> supposed to stop, according to the manual (on re-reading it now, I see
> that it's *90*%, not 80%). It's a little confusing because when you
> start, it gives a "time remaining" that's about an hour, but now that I
> write this, I remember that they have a one hour limit to prevent doing
> too much damage if something goes wrong and the charging doesn't stop.
> I also checked out the EV area there --- they have several EV parking
> spots, though the ones in front of the quick charger are really short,
> so your car sticks out. There's actually a fair amount of room, but
> it's right at the bottom of the entrance ramp, and the second time I was
> there, a large pickup had to backup once to make the turn with my car
> There is also a Tesla charger and a Blink charger, and true to form, the
> Blink charger was crashed with a "System Error" and some diagnostic
> info. I'd thought about topping off to 100% with it after 80% quick
> charge, but decided to leave the screen alone (probably "touch here to
> reload screen" would have cleared it, but I didn't really need to top
> off and wanted to leave the message for whoever manages the charging
> I watched the counter go up to 81% and thought maybe it was going to go
> to 100% after all, so I went over to Pioneer Place for a bit and got
> some chocolates at Moonstruck (it seems Godiva isn't there anymore,
> unfortunately! but I think Moonstruck is local and they're good too).
> When I got back, around 6:30pm, I found it had only run for another 6
> minutes and had basically stopped at what the car thought was 80%. Not
> sure why they disagreed...
> One friend was busy, but another one, who lives in Battle Ground, was
> available, and his place is about 26 miles from the WTC, so I headed up
> there, showed him the car, and then we went out to dinner at a nice
> little local restaurant. The estimator went from 88miles to 52 miles (a
> drop of 36) for the 26-27 mile trip, which I did take the freeway on
> because the freeway in there is 55-60 (with a couple of miles of 70
> before the Battle Ground turn off).
> After dinner, I headed back to the WTC for a quick recharge. We'd
> driven around a little and I decided to take "surface streets" (a weird
> name for non-freeway streets ;-) ) since the estimator had dropped so
> much, in fact it only dropped 32 miles, to 20, by the time I got back,
> including a couple of miles of running around in BG (and my friend lives
> at the top of a steep hill).
> By the time I got back to the WTC, it was 10:30, and I knew it was going
> to be a late night getting home. According to the manual, if you start
> quick charging with the battery below half full, it will stop at 90%,
> but if you start it over half, it will charge to 100%. I wanted to
> minimize the time in McMinnville with the lower powered charger, so
> wanted to take the battery to 100% here, but pushing the start button
> again (as the manual says), nor even taking the nozzle out and
> restarting the process completely from scratch worked. So I resigned
> myself to a 2 hr stop in McMinnville (when I came up from Corvallis, I
> was starting with a full charge, not a 90% charge).
> I got to McMinnville at midnight, and just as I feared, the lights were
> out on the charging station there. I'd thought about getting someone's
> phone number, and now I realized I should have talked to whoever was
> actually going to lock up, because I know businesses have a habit of
> using circuit breakers as switches when they close up. I thought about
> options, but at midnight, I didn't think either my cousin in
> Independence (which I thought I could make, the estimator still said 40
> miles), nor a friend who lives in McMinnville (but I haven't seen in a
> long time and who often stays in Portland) would want a call. I found a
> motel and asked if they had an outside outlet for the 110 adapter that
> comes with the leaf, but no such luck. There was a gas station next
> door that had an outlet where the vending and ice machines were plugged
> in, but I'd forgotten the long extension cord I'd intended to toss in
> for just this eventuality and without it, the car would have to be
> parked in the way, and it probably would have overloaded the circuit
> anyhow. At least I *did* have my CPAP machine, which I'd tossed in as
> this sort of thing was a distinct possibility given that I was trying to
> see what the vehicle could and couldn't do. I slept fitfully, wondering
> what I was going to do if the Nissan dealership wasn't open on Sunday
> (and the one in Corvallis *isn't*), as the 110V charging would take
> about 10 hrs to do enough to get me home.
> Fortunately, when I got to the Nissan dealership at 10:30 the next
> morning, they were open (even though the sign on the door said 11am) and
> they got someone to turn on the charger. I plugged in and got it going,
> then asked where a good breakfast place was. Turns out there's one
> right next door (the opposite side from Pizza Hut), but when I got
> there, they *are* closed on Sundays. So I settled for Jack-in-the-Box.
> Taking my time, I got back after an hour, and it had gone from 34
> (after driving to the hotel and back) to 52, but it was only 1/2 full
> and it had taken 3/4 to get there, so wanted to give it another hour.
> About that time, my friend called, having seen my post on Facebook that
> I was stranded there and came down to get me for a visit. While
> waiting, I went in and talked to the sales manager, who turned out to be
> the one who'd assured me that it would be on the previous night. I
> pointed out that at the moment, he's critical infrastructure for EVs and
> it wouldn't take too many experiences like this to kill the whole thing.
> He apologized and said he'd talk to the owner and they'd see it was
> left on in the future. I suppose now us EV owners need to make a point
> of using it ;-)
> Jerry showed up and we went back up to his house up in the hills out of
> McMinnville for a nice catchup visit and he said I should have called
> him at midnight --- it would have worked out well, because I could have
> made it (if I could find it --- his driveway is hard to spot and it's
> been a while ;-) ), and then at 110V all night and half the day while
> visiting with him would have been sufficient. I'll probably make use of
> that visiting him in the future.
> I got back to the car a little before 4pm, and by now it was 100%
> charged, with the estimator reading 91 miles. Since I was headed home,
> this allowed me to stop pussy footing it --- I drove back at 60mph with
> the air conditioning on, arriving home a little after 5pm with the
> estimator reading 27 miles --- down 64 miles for the 50 mile trip.
> The local Corvallis dealership is right on 99 on the way into town, so I
> swung in and was pleased to see that, despite being closed, their
> charger was lit up and operational...
> Despite the hiccup in McMinnville, the weekend far surpassed my
> expectations --- I half expected to have to stop and turn around
> actually. But instead of the 60-70 miles I thought I'd go when I
> originally started planning an experimental trip, I drove 234 miles and
> the stops for charging weren't as bad as I expected. Partly that was
> novelty, it would be too painful to do frequently, but with only a
> little planning and incorporating the stops into it, driving to Portland
> is quite doable, and that's *without* the quick charger near Salem that
> I thought would be a requirement. It will certainly make the process
> easier if it works out that I can actually make it that far on the
> freeway without pissing off other drivers, but it's far from a
> So, the next steps are to figure out just what I can get away with on
> the freeway, and just how far I can really push it in a pinch...
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