[Oeva-list] range anxiety solved

Lanny Thomason southtownelanes at msn.com
Tue Apr 19 17:18:25 PDT 2011


I did notice that there was a post about the trips taken about taking less
then one tank of gas (one of them was 234 miles of trip) with a 30 mile
to the gallon vehicle that is 7.8 gallons of fuel todays price a whopping
7.8 x $3.85 = $30.03  ...  thats a pretty good chunk of a days work to
pay for that ......
 
 
  I did not notice but that trip cost him charging at other chargers ...
lets see $0 x $0 =  oh lets see free !
he would have went out to eat with his friends even if he was driving
his ice vehicle .......
 
  and yes I noticed he was stuck ...  years past I have driven up low on
fuel to a closed gas station at 11:30 at night so this is expected until
there is more fuel stations .........
 
and I am sure in the future you will have to pay for fueling up but right
now its the bonus of going to new technology before everyone else and
yes having a few bumps in the road ........
 
and I believe there will be a lot of business owners out there with free
charging stations to get you to come to their business to shop and do
whatever your daily things and needs are , I dont see too many of
those places giving me free gas when I go to the mall to shop right
now ......
 
but my business has had a charging station in front of it since 2006
with locals using it every week ...  we have a lot more EV's then I 
ever thought once I put it in and started handing out keys to the 
door enclosing it, I have a avcon inside the door along with a 220V
outlet and a 110 volt outlet ....
 
we will be updating it this summer once we have the requirements
and wiring of the new j1772 finalized so all of them will be there ...
 
I have seen all the ranting and raving about electricity ...
solar is no good when the sun goes down (if you use it during the
day isn't the power still non-polluting ?)
the wind does not blow all the time (isnt that why batteries are 
getting better ? to store the energy and use it later?)
 
and the big one ... killing salmon to make electricity ..
I will no longer even comment on this one as producing fossil
fuels cost hundreds of lives a year and the oil spills getting it
where it goes and coast lines that are now dying from oil spills...
 
 and the last ones .. you know electricity is made from generators
and coal ...  (lets just get real, its easier to clean up the pollution
from a standing unit that is servicing thousands of people with
filters and scrubbers then to try and clean up thousands of cars)..
 
and the final thing we talk about all the time , I am not sorry
I live on the west coast with some of the cheapest electricity
in the country ... my last bill at my business .... 4.56 cents per
KWH ......  approx. 90 cents a day for me to go 70 miles in
my LiFepo4 pack Ranger EV ..... (although I only drive 40
miles a day) approx.  $15 to $18 per month ... to go 1200 miles
I drive every day being self employed .....
with my other pickup that used to be $250 to $300 a month ..
 
I have driven my Ranger EV every day since june of 2006
these are not toys or little golf carts , my Ranger is exactly
the same size as any other ranger pickup ... I dont have
range anxiety with my daily driving ...  If I had to drive
60 or 70 miles a day maybe I would but I dont ....
 
Not ranting and raving just facts ...
 
Thanks, 
Lanny
 
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> 1. FS: Unused Zilla Z1K-LV + Hairball (Sam Huffman)
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> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:15:59 -0700
> From: Sam Huffman <shuffman at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Oeva-list] FS: Unused Zilla Z1K-LV + Hairball
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> I've put an unused Zilla Z1K-LV controller up on ebay. The hairball is set
> up for a potentiometer throttle. The reserve price ($1200) has already been
> met, so this is a great opportunity to get a $2000 controller (with a long
> waiting list) at a big discount. Local pickup is fine for folks in the
> Portland area (my house is in Banks) to save shipping.
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Zilla-Z1K-LV-Electric-Motor-Controller-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c1b191016QQitemZ120713711638
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> Let me know if you have any questions!
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> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:33:43 EDT
> From: Theoldcars at aol.com
> Subject: [Oeva-list] Range anxiety solved
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> Hello Steve
> 
> I think Pat's post does well at pointing out. The fun and challenge of 
> driving an EV with the current EV infrastructure. I also agree its not going 
> to be long before there are many more charging options.
> 
> I have managed to make a few trips well beyond my range with a little 
> planning and no loss of time. Of the 70,000 plus miles I have driven all 
> electric. Only a few hundred miles involved any limitation of range. As I think 
> back it is these few planned trips that stand out. I remember them as being 
> a memorable and a general overall fun experience. Back then there were no 
> charging stations so businesses with 240 volts, dryer plugs or RV parks 
> were about the only road charging options. I never went on an extended drive 
> without my assortment of plug adapters and extension cords but never a 
> generator. With a 6.6 kW 240 volt charger it would have taken a very large 
> generator so that was not something I was willing to pack around.
> 
> Personally I like removing my dependence on oil for local transportation 
> for many reasons. One of them is the vast majority of miles for myself and 
> for many people is local trips of less than 40 miles. There was in all my 
> miles only a couple of trips that exceed the range of one charge. Range 
> anxiety is usually brought up by ICE drivers who fear not having a vehicle with 
> say 300 miles of range. When they only drive 40 miles a day or less. 
> 
> It is not uncommon for a person or a family to have two vehicles. Making 
> one of them an EV is an option to consider. For myself a little S-10 pick up 
> was ideal. It hauls around things that would not fit or loads you would 
> not want to put in a car. It would carry up to three people although two is 
> better. It is also a vehicle I would prefer not to take on a long drive even 
> if it was an ICE. 
> 
> Another idea for range anxiety is to just rent an ICE when you need it. If 
> your going to put on miles from an extended trip this would be a good time 
> to rent a vehicle as the need comes up. 
> 
> It is possible to drive over a hundred miles a day with an EV I did that 
> years ago with a lead acid S-10. The only limitation is timing and where 
> your driving. 
> 
> Since your on this list I assume you have an interest in electric vehicles. 
> I was curious what is it you find interesting about them or do you have an 
> application your considering?
> 
> Don 
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> 
> In a message dated 4/18/2011 10:05:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes:
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:57:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Steve's Account" <stevel at fern.com>
> Subject: [Oeva-list] Range anxiety solved. Better living thru
> chemicals!
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> > Great report Chris.
> >
> > Another case of range anxiety successfully defeated.
> >
> > John P. Christian
> >
> > OEVA Chairperson
> 
> Range anxiety defeated? Really?
> 
> Let's see.. in one days stories we have a simple trip, taking less than one
> tank of gas in an ICE, that required repeated stops to "refuel". In some 
> cases
> "fuel" wasn't available when expected because they had turned the power 
> off,
> Several stops for meals, and expensive chocolate and a nites lodging.. And
> several side visits to wait for charging. And the ever popular, don't leave
> home without your CPAP! You NEVER know when you will need it!
> 
> This looks like successfully defeating anxiety by drowning in Valium.
> 
> I can imagine that ever Leaf will have a little Honda generator and a
> couple of 5 gallon cans of gas, just to make sure the charger you need is
> available, when you need it.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:09:37 -0700
> From: patrick0101 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Range anxiety solved. Better living thru
> chemicals!
> To: "Steve's Account" <stevel at fern.com>
> Cc: oeva-list at oeva.org
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> I am seeing signs that at least one person needs some Valium.
> 
> Alan and Chris shared their stories and both of them seemed to enjoy their
> trip. Sure there were a few bumps in the road, but they did not become 
> early
> adopters because they are filled with trepidation. Just the opposite, they
> are pioneering spirits.
> 
> A year from now there will be thousands of more charging stations, the
> telematics will have all the locations listed correctly, and the drives
> these two just did will be much easier. Until then, if someone wants to 
> take
> their new car out for a drive, beyond the single charge point of no-return,
> they are in for adventure and I hope it turns out well for them. And if 
> not,
> well I hope that they get a good story they can laugh about later.
> 
> Regards,
> Pat
> Offshore Drilling or Offshore Wind? Simple Choice
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> From: Alan Batie <alan at batie.org>
> Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Range anxiety solved
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> On 4/19/11 3:33 PM, Theoldcars at aol.com wrote:
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> > Another idea for range anxiety is to just rent an ICE when you need it.
> 
> That is what I will be doing for at least the short term. It's been
> about a month since I last needed to, and that was with an EV down to a
> 10 mile range.
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