[Oeva-list] Level 1 vs Level 2 "battles"

Scott Hippe scott1954wa at me.com
Tue Dec 27 22:54:06 PST 2011

Not all level 1 users are of long charge duration. We are confusing this issue with a few old EV's that don't have level 2 interfaces. But in a mass produced EV world there will still be lots of level 1 EVs. Electric bicycles, electric mopeds, 
neighborhood electric vehicles and other vehicles with small 5kw and 10 kw packs could charge in a very reasonable time at 120v and could in some urban areas easily outnumber larger EVs. This is already the case in much of the world where millions of electric scooters are already in existance. 

Scott Hippe

On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Steve's Account <stevel at fern.com> wrote:

> Scott Hippe  wrote:
>> I don't think Leaf owners are against level 1
>> Availability. It is so easy to provide a 120v
>> outlet on the pedestal of a level 2 charger.
>> And the level 1 vehicle doesn't even have to
>> occupy that space, he/she could be parked
>> 25 or more feet away with an extension cord. 
>> It must be pure greed of the charging
>> station owner/operator not to provide a free
>> 120 v outlet for the occasional level 1 user.
> Actually, it may be that very 120 v. outlet that is the death
> knell for the Level I charging stations. Since it is such a
> common interface, it may be being abused by folks who want power for
> things other than EV charging.
> It may also be the case that the charing station owners see that they
> can have several level 2 customers frequent their business because 
> the charging cycles are shorter, with the same investment in parking
> space and infrastructure that a level 1 customer will use for an
> entire day.
> Given a choice between several happy Leaf owners or one happy Level 1
> owner, I'd opt for the Level 2. And it doesn't have the abuse potential
> of a 110v outlet.
> Suggesting a change to a not-common plug with interaction between the
> charger and the outlet as a new "standard" for level 1 charging might be 
> a way to keep the level 1 stuff in place. But it still doesn't address 
> the guy who drops his car off in the morning at the "fred myers" (or 
> any other charging site) and goes off to work, blocking access to the 
> customers of the company who provided the charging station.
> In some locations, parking spaces are the limiting factor in how many
> customers you can get thru a retail establishment. And you can be
> "just as green" by encouraging lots of customers, as catering to
> one.
> Steve
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