[Oeva-list] Update on HB2328

Jon Balgley jon at photodad.com
Wed May 4 10:23:52 PDT 2011


FYI, the 5000-ICE-vehicle exception/experiment seems to be removed from the
current bill.

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Tim Johnson <timj.pdx at frontier.com> wrote:

>  I think you are missing the point.... ODOT just wants more money, that is
> obvious and quite frankly understandable. But what about the primary
> sponsors of the bills ? The 5000 ICE vehicles that will be allowed in is the
> clue. Remember the 5000 ICE results in a net loss in revenues for many years
> (not what ODOT want). They want to move to a $/mile road tax that avoids the
> premium that gas hogs are forced to pay with our current $/gal taxation
> model.
>
> The would be a tremendous saving for a company that owns a fleet of low
> mileage cars/trucks.
>
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> On 05/04/2011 06:13 AM, Chris Arnesen wrote:
>
> The biggest issue is that they still aren't considering any other factors
> when attempting to calculate this vehicle mileage tax. My LEAF still gets a
> 99 MPGe. At $0.0085 per mile, that's the eqivilant of paying a fuel tax of
> $0.84 per gallon, way higher than the $0.31 per gallon every other vehicle
> pays (2.7 times). They really need to utilize the MPG (MPGe), weight class,
> and odometer mileage of the vehicle to determine the VMT an owner needs to
> pay.
>
> Also, just to let everyone know, their intent won't be to use the OBD port
> since that can be unplugged for diagnostic purposes. However since all new
> vehicles starting in 2008 are required to use CAN BUS for OBD it wouldn't be
> hard to tap into the vehicle network at another point.
>
> Sincerely,
> Chris Arnesen
>
> On 5/3/2011 11:32 PM, Theoldcars at aol.com wrote:
>
>  Let me know if my math is wrong
>
> To use a Leaf driver for an example.
>
> If your cost per kW is 8 cents and your getting 4 miles to the kW. Then
>  2.0 cents  is your cost per mile. So this tax of .0156 would be almost
> 80% of the cost of fuel. I would like to see the reaction to gas being taxed
> at this same level.
>
> .0156 cents per mile does not seem outrageous since 10,000 miles would be
> only 156.00 dollars in road taxes. Then you consider 10,000 miles would only
> cost you 200.00 dollars on your electric bill.
>
> So if this passes it will cost almost as much to maintenance the road as it
> does to fuel an electric vehicle.
> Amazing when you think about it. As this shows just how efficient an EV is
> to drive and in comparison how expensive the road is to maintain.
>
> Since were going to review the road taxes how about taking a look at the
> current road maintenance cost? One study seems to show the state of
> Washington could save 25 million dollars a year over 10 years ago.  This is
> way more money they will ever be taken in for a very long time with this EV
> road tax.
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/brief/competing-highway-maintenance-lessons-washington-state
>
> I was searching Google for a city that was on TV a while back that
> had changed to using private contractors. They had vastly improved their
> roads and lowered their cost. Anyone else see that?
>
> Don
>
>  In a message dated 5/3/2011 5:08:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes:
>
> 3. VRUC = $0.0156/mile (1.56 cents per mile), effective July 1, 2018.
> Reduced rate of $0.0085/mile  (0.85 cents/mile) from July 1, 2015 to
> 2018.
>
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