# [Oeva-list] Think City EV

gfifield at onlinenw.com gfifield at onlinenw.com
Fri Aug 24 20:05:19 PDT 2012

```For what it is worth, when I've used a few of the fixed DCQC-ers. They
quickly build up to 420+ Volts at 100 Amps. Then they throttle down from
there; dropping volts and amps.

If they kept up 400 V at 100 Amps for one hour that would be 40KWH.
So in 1/2 hour it would be 20KWH. More than enough to heat your batteries
and kick you off. Generally you don't go in empty and you get kicked off
at less than 100%. So lets say you have 4KW left in the pack and only
charge to 80% of the 24KWH, that would bring you up to 4/5 X  24KWH or
abut 20KWH or a delta of 16KWH.
At the rate of 40KWH/HR then 16/40 = 4/10 of an hour, or 24 minutes.

So if the AAA charger is only permitting 10 minutes then we could assume
that 8KWH is getting pumped into your batteries, unless the source isn't
giving the LEAF what it wants. 8KWH should be about 32 miles at a slow
speed in a LEAF.

There are two numbers quoted by your AAA, 600V and 25A.
If both are limited to those values, then one will drive the other down.
In the case of where the LEAF could take 420V @ 100A, and your source is
only capable of 25A then the voltage would have to drop down until the
draw was only 25Amp; maybe that is 390V or 360V. So you see that perhaps
the KWH delivery might be only say 8KWH in one hour, or in 10 minutes,
10/60 x 8HWH or 1 and 1/3 KWH, and that would be only about 5 miles of
slow driving in a LEAF.(I'm assuming about 4KWH/Mile when driving under
45mph)

Gene Fifield

> If that is what the DCQC is capable of, then it is good for 15kw output.
> 10 minutes would be 2.5kwh, about 10 miles in a Leaf.  As far as I know,
> the car absolutely controls the maximum voltage and current, based on its
> BMS.  The charging station may also have some temperature limits that
> cause it to throttle back after a while.
>
> Paul Wallace
>
> On Aug 24, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Karl Boekelheide wrote:
>
>> Remember that not all DCQC's are created equal.  I just called AAA.
>> Their truck will give you "10 miles" of charge.  What means, according
>> to Rob Porter at AAA, is 10 minutes of 600 volts at 25 amps.  I quizzed
>> him hard about the 600 volts but he says that's what it is.  I'm still
>> dubious about 600 volts.  That seems way too high.
>>
>> I've noticed that the Kanematsu, Eaton and AV all charge at different
>> rates.  The AV seems the fastest and the Kanematsu the slowest.  This
>> extends to the "taper off" times.  They all seem to start slowing down
>> at different levels of charge.  There seems to be a lack of
>> standardization.  This seems really odd because I thought the car (in my
>> case a LEAF) controlled the rate of charge.
>>
>> On Fri, 2012-08-24 at 07:57 -0700, matwete at comcast.net wrote:
>>> For the city of Portland, this is a no-brainer for AAA.  I can't
>>> imagine needing more than 1/2 hour of juice to  get to a station---but
>>> what if the client has only a Chargepoint card and didn't bring a level
>>> 1 portable EVSE?
>>>
>>> From my HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network
>>>
>>> From: "Judith" <judith.huck at comcast.net>
>>> To: "'OEVA'" <oeva-list at oeva.org>
>>> Subject: [Oeva-list] Think City EV
>>> Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:29 am
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From AAA Sept/Oct mag:   “Portland now has a AAA Roadside Assistance
>>> vehicle that can charge electric cars’ batteries with enough power to
>>> reach a plug-in station.  Don’t know where the closest station is?
>>> Locate it with the AAA Mobile app.  The EV program is being rolled out
>>> in Portland and five other cities with plans for more in the future.
>>> Say goodbye to EV range anxiety.  Call 800-222-4357.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pretty cool!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Judith Huck
>>>
>>> 2012 Leaf Lover
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On
>>> Behalf Of patrick0101 at gmail.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:07 PM
>>> To: OEVA
>>> Subject: [Oeva-list] Think City EV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As of 10 hours ago, there are only 15 Think City EVs left (8 black and
>>> 7 blue) of the 60 coming to Oregon. They are less than \$9k after tax
>>> incentive. This is your last chance to get this bargain priced EV.
>>>
>>>  http://http://goo.gl/EGhCC
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Pat
>>> Sunlight will never cost \$4/gallon
>>>
>>>
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