[Oeva-list] Fred Meyer Tigard Blink QC

patrick0101 at gmail.com patrick0101 at gmail.com
Wed Sep 19 11:41:22 PDT 2012

Gene, I understand your point about supporting the infrastructure. My
employer has workplace charging that is $1.20 an hour. I have used it many
times and even avoided charging at home just to demonstrate my appreciation
of it being there. I guess I am willing to pay $1.20/hour, but not $2/hour.

Rhonda, PDX is a great example. There are going to be mistakes until
facilities better understand the EV usescases. I think free Level 1 is a
great fit for long term, Level 2 (with a fee) is good for short term. And
DC Fast Charge in the Cell Phone waiting area would be great. And as you
point out, which parking spaces they use are just as important as picking
the right level of charging.

Below is a link to a conference about "Deliver Innovation and Boost
Consumer Uptake by Creating an EV Ecosystem that Achieves the Same
Ease-of-Use as Standard Vehicles"


This seems like the right place to help educate the industry about where
the right place to put charging stations is and what level charging is
needed for what needs. With Portland as the most connected city per capita,
it would be cool to see a study of our region.

Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Rhonda Walton <rhonda at evo2go.com> wrote:

> Gene,
> There is merit it what you are saying. I agree that we need to use these
> spaces. And I will pay the dollar if it is in highly visible area like
> Electric Ave. NOT: The Gee Creek Rest Area just north of Vancouver.
> My point is the 2 billion dollars is not being used to its highest and
> best use. And the companies that got the money should be satisfied with
> the profit on the front end.
> Instead they are charging a dollar an hour and keeping up to 95% of the
> fees for up to 25 years. I would not have any issues with an extra dollar
> to go over by two mins. If the money was going into the City, County,
> school or store that I was paying it to.
> Example one: PDX Airpot: For the price of the 8 level 2  Chargers going in
> we could of had 2 DC fast chargers one on each floor for the same price.
> I received the bid for PDX international airport just a few months ago
> that called for 8 level 2 charging stations.
> These level 2's on the 3rd and 4th floor are in the SHORT TERM  parking
> garage (6 to 8 hours)
>  I explained, that level 1 parking would be less expensive in Long term
> parking and that it is most likely already there. So anyone coming back
> from a trip would be fully charged and be ok with 110.
> The I explained that electric vehicle owners do not want the in your face
> prime real estate parking and it would be ok to have them on the back side
> of the garage so that the ice drivers won't be stealing them.
> Also, all of of these empty spaces right at the skybridge in front of
> everyone is where the ridicule comes from.
> I called and brought to their attention that whoever wrote the spec. was
> not an EV driver.
> But it fell on deaf ears.
> Still no DC fast charger that¹s is what we need if we take someone to the
> airport from Hillsboro, Salem, Hood River and so on.
> I love that I am able to go EVing an excited to move forward.
> We are not kicking somebody's dog by expressing we could do a better job.
> Rhonda Walton
> www.evo2go.com
> 360.574.1148
> *Think before you print
> On 9/19/12 8:22 AM, "gfifield at onlinenw.com" <gfifield at onlinenw.com> wrote:
> >Availability of charging stations should be our first priority.
> >
> >Complaining about being charged a dollar for charging up our BEVs seems to
> >drive the conversation away from building the infrastructure into a short
> >sighted money issue. This conversation may deter the infrastructure
> >expansion. While I don't want to be gouged for only charging up for 10
> >minutes at a L2 charger, I might be grateful that there is a working
> >charger there. It would have been nice if, after all the $$$ that have
> >been poured into the EV Project, they could have held off for another year
> >before asking for money, but alas the companies involved must make the
> >case that there is some economic reason/reward for putting a charging
> >station on line; either to their investors or to their customers. Would it
> >be wise to start boycotting or avoiding these charging stations? I expect
> >that I'll donate a few dollars every so often to insure that the
> >infrastructure remains in place.
> >
> >What value is there in having a BEV that cannot be conveniently recharged?
> >I want the EV expansion to continue! I want the next consumer, that
> >considers an EV purchase, to not even have to think that finding a
> >charging station might be a problem.
> >
> >When I've charged up in the past, people have asked how much I pay for
> >getting a charge. I sheepishly have said for now it is free, but
> >eventually there will be some nominal fee charged. There is some value in
> >not being perceived as a "freeloader." Now we can proudly say we are
> >paying our way.
> >
> >This thread started with me warning about customers at Fred Meyer
> >complaining about the EV parking places displacing them from their
> >convenient parking places.
> >
> >Use it or loose it.
> >
> >Gene Fifield
> >
> >> You might sing a different tune if your level 2 charger could max out
> >>the
> >> charging station.  For the rest of us that can't enjoy the benefits of
> >> DCFC that is the only option we have.  Now if I could just get my BMS to
> >> settle down so I could drive my truck.  Engineering is fun!!
> >>
> >> Paul Wallace
> >> '94 USE S10 sooooo close to drivable
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sep 18, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Rhonda Walton wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all.
> >>>
> >>> I have to agree with everyone.
> >>> I would plug in anywhere I could to bring attention to the EV. I feel
> >>>it
> >>> made more of a statement then I could possibly say.
> >>> But I won't unless it it worth the statement were trying to make.
> >>> Who was it that last week was talking designed to fail.
> >>>
> >>> Rhonda Walton
> >>> EVO2GO
> >>> www.evo2go.com
> >>> 360.574.1148
> >>>
> >>> *Think before you print
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/18/12 3:15 PM, "Alan Batie" <alan at batie.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/18/12 2:50 PM, patrick0101 at gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> I agree with Cory. When the L2 was free, I would plug in when I
> >>>>> stopped
> >>>>> at Fred Meyer or somewhere similar. A little free convenience
> >>>>>charging
> >>>>> is fun and a great way to keep my battery in the happy zone. Even if
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> was only 10 minutes, I'd plug in. But if I am paying for much more
> >>>>> than
> >>>>> the standard electrical rates, the only thing that makes sense is DC
> >>>>> Fast charging and it will be a rare case when I need that.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've done a 10 minute charge in the past, but pretty much only to say
> >>>> I'd used the station - it's not worth the effort otherwise.  I went
> >>>> ahead and paid the $6 to L2 charge in the Indigo garage Saturday (plus
> >>>> $10 parking) because it was convenient to the way the evening's plans
> >>>> were working out and L2's easier on the batteries.  While I expect it
> >>>> to
> >>>> be an infrequent case, if it's convenient, I'll continue to use L2
> >>>> charging for that reason.  The QC rates are likely to end up in the
> >>>> same
> >>>> range, $5+, so economically it's a wash.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ironically, after an all EV weekend last weekend, next weekend will be
> >>>> trips to the coast, Mt Hood/the Gorge and Sauvie Island that will make
> >>>> it an all gas weekend.  Sigh...
> >>>>
> >>>>
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