[Oeva-list] Time of Use
matwete at comcast.net
Sun Apr 28 13:21:31 PDT 2013
Great writeup Pat, and congrats on your limited success with the TOU
We've been TOU customers now for several years now---since first that PGE
The program is only marginally fair in my opinion.
Hidden costs: When I put the numbers into the calculator before we joined,
it appeared we would save some $15/month or more. This was based on the
On/Mid/Off peak rates they quoted & comparing with the Basic rate. But the
story wasn't made clear. The advertised rates didn't include "T&D charges",
nor did it mention that there'd be an additional $10/month "meter fee" to
participate in the plan. Together, these made our first month results
nearly a wash as compared to the Basic plan---and that was AFTER putting
OFF-peak timers on BOTH our hot water heater and our hot tub! So while I
figured these timers would pay for themselves within a few months,
ultimately, we saved only about $2-4 month as I figure. Now, since most or
all customers now have "smart" meters, why do we still have to pay $10/month
for this fee? Does everyone pay this now?
TOU Calculator: The calculator may also not tell the whole story. But how
could you know? Once you've switched from Basic, you no longer have a way
to directly compare apples to apples since fees & other costs change.
PGE knows what the T&D (transmission and distribution) rates are. Yet in
advertising TOU's low rates, PGE does not include the T&D amounts even
though they know what they are. This obfuscation is intentional in order to
make the TOU OFF-peak power rate seem incredibly low and attractive.
The reality: Look at the bottom line cost. Through the year, our TOU bill,
when divided by actual KWH delivered ends up running between a low of
9cents/kwh to a high of 26cents/kwh. Why so high? Go on vacation during
the month, using little electricity. You'll still have that $10/month plus
a host of other fees that will weigh against you.
On average, we're looking at an average of about 12-cents/kwh counting all.
And that's with 82.5% OFF, 7.1% MID, and 10.3%ON peak average annual usage.
This also with an average of 152kwh/mo SOLAR to PGE and 537kwh/mo from PGE.
So we meet that 80% shift that PGE talks about, yet we pay on average
12-cents/kwh total cost. Would we pay less or more with Basic?
Still with TOU, but it should be so much more fair I think.
From: oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org [mailto:oeva-list-bounces at oeva.org] On
Behalf Of patrick0101 at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:32 PM
Subject: [Oeva-list] Time of Use
I have been on time-of-use with PGE for just over a year now. Today I
crunched the numbers and calculated that I saved $65 during our 12 months on
Most months we saved just a couple bucks. The best two months we saved over
$11. There was one month (Feb) where TOU cost $1.76 more than standard
service would have, but this was more than made up for by the other months.
For more gory details, you can read about here:
Sunlight will never cost $4/gallon
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