[Oeva-list] Hmmm

CraigSchaefer calvinjean2 at comcast.net
Mon Jul 8 09:35:53 PDT 2013

OK, what's the solution?  More EV's?  I submit that a total collapse of society due to lack of transportation for goods/people will kill more people than vehicle exhaust.    How will you move food from rural areas to market?   How will we compete with other countries who will not foolishly limit themselves to only solar generated electricity?   I'm assuming solar only because everything else has consequences to the environment.   

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cory Bertsch" <pi at hiddenspiral.net> 
To: oeva-list at oeva.org 
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 7:33:56 AM 
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Hmmm 

Exposure to vehicle exhaust during pregnancy has also been tied to an 
increased risk of autism. 


On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Chase Ballew <nscale7 at aol.com> wrote: 
> Vehicle exhaust is dangerous, dangerous stuff, and some studies (Szagun and 
> Seidel. 2000) have estimated car exhaust kills five times as many people as 
> car crashes, but there classes at far greater risk than EV drivers. 
> Bicyclists and pedestrians are at far greater risk than EV drivers, since 
> the aerobic exercise of walking and cycling pulls pollutants into the 
> deepest parts of the lungs, which is not the case when you’re sitting on 
> your ass in an EV. Even worse, tailpipes are often mounted on the right-hand 
> side, where they discharge directly into the bike lane or sidewalk, while 
> the driver of the following car is on the left-hand side and thus is 
> somewhat protected. (George. Monsere. Figliozzi. 2010) 
> Further, EV drivers only sit in traffic for an hour or two per day, while 
> people living, working, or going to school along the highways are exposed to 
> those pollutants 24/7. People who live near a freeway have asthma at much 
> higher rates than the general population and are almost twice as likely to 
> die from heart or lung disease (Hoek et al. 2002) while children are six 
> times more likely to develop all types of cancers and eight times more 
> likely to get leukemia (Pearson et al. 2000). Despite this, their lawsuits 
> haven’t exactly stopped new highways from being built (or existing freeways 
> widened) and if people can’t win lawsuits even with the ample medical 
> research that exists demonstrating harm, EV drivers don’t have a chance. 
> -Chase 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Gary Munkhoff <gary at greenlivingjournal.com> 
> To: oeva-list <oeva-list at oeva.org> 
> Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:54 pm 
> Subject: [Oeva-list] Hmmm 
> Question - 
> Now that there are over 100,000 EVers, is that a large enough group to 
> form a "class", as in "class action suit"? 
> Seems as if they should have a case against the harmful effects of being 
> exposed to the second hand emissions from all those ICE vehicles sharing 
> the road with them (cigarette smoke being the precedence). 
> Gary M. 
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