[Oeva-list] Mr. Zehner's article

CraigSchaefer calvinjean2 at comcast.net
Tue Jul 30 10:31:27 PDT 2013


I wonder what could have come from making the same investment in hydrogen or LNG infrastructure as made in electric infrastructure for fueling vehicles? 

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From: "Steve's Account" <stevel at fern.com> 
To: oeva-list at oeva.org 
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:17:01 AM 
Subject: [Oeva-list] Mr. Zehner's article 

> I hope someone is fashioning a response to the anti-EV interview with Ozzie 
> Zehner on "Here & Now" this morning.  He can no longer call himself a 
> conservationist.  http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2013/07/29/electric-cars-green 
> 
> 
> 
> Nick Galaday 

Unfortunately, I believe that Mr. Zehner might just be the "conservationist" 
in this case. I'm afraid that it's the EV drivers who are the "wastrels" in 
this case. 

It's a position I've held after looking at the issues over a long period 
of time. 

As attractive as EV's appeared to be, the reality is, they just arn't 
THAT MUCH BETTER than the existing alternatives. 

I know it's hard to accept that the technology that you have spent 
your hard earned money on, hoping that you are doing the right 
thing, isn't panning out.. And I know that my "position" isn't 
a popular one in this group. 

I do think that all the subsidies that have been spent on EV's 
to date, were probably a good idea.. because we needed to see, 
at scale, what EV's can do. 

We can't, and won't be able to, in the forseeable future, 
produce enough clean power to shift the transportation energy 
expenditures from the existing oil based fuel to the electricity 
grid. 

Photovoltaics aren't living up to their hype. Their cost has been 
artificially driven down.. but at the same time the pannel reliability 
and output is actually getting worse! 

Environmentally responsible panel manufacture doesn't seem to 
be possible. And many of the US based panel manufacturers are 
going out of business. 

And photovoltaics generate power when the sun shines, which is 
exactly out of phase with the transportation power demand. 

The power companies have admitted that "clean power" sold to the 
public is a fraud. They can't get enough clean power to meet the 
existing demand. (and yes, they claim to be spending the extra 
money you send them to try to "develop" clean power... so it 
might help, some time in the future.. but it's not looking 
good.) But.. until they ACTUALLY can produce the power, when 
it's needed, the "green-ness" of EV's is seriously in question. 

I realize that, now that commercial EV's are availble, that OEVA's 
mission has morphed from being a "support group for EV hobbiests" 
into a "marketing organization" for EV manufacturers and 
ancilliary services.. This seems to be a normal progression of 
things. Most people won't "make" something they can buy. 

Many of the EV support businesses have gone bust. This includes 
the parts suppliers, and the US based battery manufacturers etc.` 

(I just recycled a number of lead acid batteries. The price of 
scrap batteries has dropped by 1/2 in the last year.) 

This is not the trajectory you'd expect to see in a "successful" 
market segment. 

Unless some things change dramatically, and soon, I'm afraid 
Mr. Zehner might be right on target. We need cleaner batteries, 
lighter batteries, more efficient motors, more efficient charging 
systems, faster charging systems. And we need some breakthrus on the 
generation side.. like really clean, cheap power. Solar (photovoltaic) 
and wind arn't working well, yet. 

It's still interesting to watch and see how it develops. I don't 
think it's 100% clear whether EVs are the "way of the future" or 
as Mr. Zehner suggests, a detour. 

Steve 

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