[Oeva-list] Is OEVA really encouraging drinking and driving?

lee colleton lee at colleton.net
Tue Apr 22 21:52:28 PDT 2014

Thank you Quinn. I'm new to this list and don't have a prospective on
long-term trolls, but it sounds like these are two. There's plenty of room
on the Internet for a variety of ideas but it is entirely appropriate to
ban trolls from a mailing list.


(just my two Cascadian cents: I'm watching from Seattle)
On Apr 22, 2014 9:47 PM, "Quinn Sullivan" <qsullivan11 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've patiently endured negative emails on here from stevel at fern.com and
> calvinjean2 at comcast.net for a couple of years.  Just read through some,
> and in my opinion, there's a pattern of unproductive posts stating how EV's
> aren't good enough, they only go 70 miles on a charge, the owners are
> freeloaders who don't pay a fuel tax, high performance Tesla's horsepower
> achievements are meaningless/inaccurate, they are a waste of money, and now
> that the owners are criminals who drink to intoxication and drive.  Also,
> that you're giving us a "dose of reality".  A lot of us started with the
> reality of owning an EV that goes 35 miles on a charge on lead acid
> batteries, lots of us live within 30 miles of our work and school, I'd be
> thrilled to have 70 miles.  I've heard all of these arguments against
> EV's before.  Tesla has busted a lot of these barriers with a fraction of
> the production numbers of the big 3, and then gets bashed for being too
> expensive.  EV's just can't win with some people and that's fine, but I
> prefer not to hear about that on an EV promotion email group.
> There's also been advocating for natural gas over EV's, a non-renewable
> resource that will dry up some day and leave us in the same spot that
> standard gasoline did.  It's been stated that EV's run dirty because the
> electrical grid is dirty, yet there's lots of renewables making the grid
> cleaner every year and smart grid technologies in the works that can work
> to discharge power, decreasing peak power draws and charge at night.
> Saying negative things doesn't really help anything.  If you truly care
> about EV's instead you'd look for or work towards a solution.   This is
> still a relatively new industry, but the most promising one.  Combustion
> has had 100+ years to figure it out, and production electric vehicles are
> very new in comparison, yet still better in a lot of aspects, like cost of
> operation, being 90% efficient instead of 20%, independence of petrol
> costs, as some of them are powered by 100% solar power.  I like hearing
> about new revelations in the EV industry and new milestones.
> I've studied battery technology long enough to be suspicious of any claims
> of new battery technology, but there will be great revelations in our
> future.  Graphene and other nanotechnology will some day power our electric
> vehicles to go 1000 miles on a 100 lb battery pack that's made from carbon
> and costs 1/4 of what Lithium batteries do, charged in less than a minute,
> and I can not wait for that day.  But it takes hard work and some time to
> get there.
> In my opinion, this falls into trolling defined below.  I can take a dose
> of EV hatred once in a while, but this group is to help promote EV's, not
> beat them down.  From the oeva website, "The Oregon Electric Vehicle
> Association (OEVA) is a non-profit association of electric vehicle
> enthusiasts. We *promote* electric vehicle education."  Maybe there's a
> better email group to suit those who want to bash EV's somewhere.  It's not
> that I want everyone to agree with me or the majority of the group, it's
> just not productive.  If you hate EV's and OEVA, I don't know why you
> bother.  Maybe try constructive criticism.
> In Internet slang <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang>, a *troll*
>  (/ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>ˈ<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
> t <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>r<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
> oʊ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>l<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
> / <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>, /<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>
> ˈ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>t<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
> r <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>ɒ<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
> l <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>/<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>)
> is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or
> upsetting people,[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)#cite_note-Campbell-Trolls-1> by
> posting inflammatory,[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)#cite_note-2>
>  extraneous <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/extraneous#Adjective>, or
> off-topic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-topic> messages in an online
> community (such as a forum, chat room<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_room>,
> or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion>
>  response[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)#cite_note-PCMAG_def-3> or
> of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)#cite_note-IUKB_def-4>
> Quinn
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Calvinjean2 <calvinjean2 at comcast.net>wrote:
>> What was so offensive that he needs to be silenced?
>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Quinn Sullivan <qsullivan11 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Can we block this guy from trolling our email list, please?
>> On Apr 22, 2014 1:23 PM, "Steve's Account" <stevel at fern.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >    Enjoy complimentary tastings at any of the participating wineries
>>> >    Indulge in a complimentary appetizer from The Joel Palmer House
>>> Restaurant. Special
>>> >    glass pours from each participating winery will also be exclusively
>>> available on the
>>> >    wine list. Please make dinner reservations at JoelPalmerHouse.com.
>>> I do hope that the Oregon State Police have noticed and have stationed
>>> their mobile
>>> "impaired driver" trailer along the route.. With all the time folks have
>>> to
>>> "sample and wait for a charge" I'm sure it will be furtile pickings.
>>> Why would OEVA encourage drinking and driving? How about a bus to
>>> encourage fuel
>>> efficient travel and sober driving?
>>> Steve
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