[Oeva-list] Is OEVA really encouraging drinking and driving?

Kat Han kathyhan4 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 22 22:17:33 PDT 2014

Yes, Eric, I have considered leaving this list several times because a
decent portion of the emails are trolling messages from "Steve's Account".
 They have been pretty much 100% negative.  I'll miss the rest of the
information and dialogue, though, if I de-list.  I believe this problem is
hurting the community we have worked hard to build in this group.


On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Eric Cha <ericc at xenopi.com> wrote:

>  Just to add to what Quinn said...
> There is always an argument in any public forum for tolerating dissenting
> opinions.  However, how many people who ARE legitimately interested and
> enthusiastic about EV's get turned off by the trolls and LEAVE the list?
> As a person who has moderated several different enthusiast online forums
> and email lists, I'm just pointing out the moderators need to consider the
> repercussions for doing nothing...  The moderators of this list need to
> consider the balance.  Is it more important to "tolerate" trolls and lose
> list members because of those few trolls or is it more important to keep
> the people who are actually constructive members?
> To be honest, I have repeatedly considered leaving this list because of
> the trolls.   In fact, I'm considering it right now.  Perhaps I'll start
> another EV list with more aggressive moderation.  <shrug>
> Respectfully,
> Eric
> On 4/22/2014 9:45 PM, Quinn Sullivan wrote:
> I've patiently endured negative emails on here from stevel at fern.com and
> calvinjean2 at comcast.net for a couple of years.  Just read through some,
> and in my opinion, there's a pattern of unproductive posts stating how EV's
> aren't good enough, they only go 70 miles on a charge, the owners are
> freeloaders who don't pay a fuel tax, high performance Tesla's horsepower
> achievements are meaningless/inaccurate, they are a waste of money, and now
> that the owners are criminals who drink to intoxication and drive.  Also,
> that you're giving us a "dose of reality".  A lot of us started with the
> reality of owning an EV that goes 35 miles on a charge on lead acid
> batteries, lots of us live within 30 miles of our work and school, I'd be
> thrilled to have 70 miles.  I've heard all of these arguments against
> EV's before.  Tesla has busted a lot of these barriers with a fraction of
> the production numbers of the big 3, and then gets bashed for being too
> expensive.  EV's just can't win with some people and that's fine, but I
> prefer not to hear about that on an EV promotion email group.
>  There's also been advocating for natural gas over EV's, a non-renewable
> resource that will dry up some day and leave us in the same spot that
> standard gasoline did.  It's been stated that EV's run dirty because the
> electrical grid is dirty, yet there's lots of renewables making the grid
> cleaner every year and smart grid technologies in the works that can work
> to discharge power, decreasing peak power draws and charge at night.
>  Saying negative things doesn't really help anything.  If you truly care
> about EV's instead you'd look for or work towards a solution.   This is
> still a relatively new industry, but the most promising one.  Combustion
> has had 100+ years to figure it out, and production electric vehicles are
> very new in comparison, yet still better in a lot of aspects, like cost of
> operation, being 90% efficient instead of 20%, independence of petrol
> costs, as some of them are powered by 100% solar power.  I like hearing
> about new revelations in the EV industry and new milestones.
>  I've studied battery technology long enough to be suspicious of any
> claims of new battery technology, but there will be great revelations in
> our future.  Graphene and other nanotechnology will some day power our
> electric vehicles to go 1000 miles on a 100 lb battery pack that's made
> from carbon and costs 1/4 of what Lithium batteries do, charged in less
> than a minute, and I can not wait for that day.  But it takes hard work and
> some time to get there.
>  In my opinion, this falls into trolling defined below.  I can take a
> dose of EV hatred once in a while, but this group is to help promote EV's,
> not beat them down.  From the oeva website, "The Oregon Electric Vehicle
> Association (OEVA) is a non-profit association of electric vehicle
> enthusiasts. We *promote* electric vehicle education."  Maybe there's a
> better email group to suit those who want to bash EV's somewhere.  It's not
> that I want everyone to agree with me or the majority of the group, it's
> just not productive.  If you hate EV's and OEVA, I don't know why you
> bother.  Maybe try constructive criticism.
>  In Internet slang <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang>, a
> *troll* (/ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>ˈ<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
> t <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>r<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
> oʊ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>l<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
> / <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>, /<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>
> ˈ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>t<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
> r <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>ɒ<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
> l <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>/<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>)
> is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or
> upsetting people,[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29#cite_note-Campbell-Trolls-1> by
> posting inflammatory,[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29#cite_note-2>
>  extraneous <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/extraneous#Adjective>, or
> off-topic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-topic> messages in an online
> community (such as a forum, chat room<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_room>,
> or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion>
>  response[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29#cite_note-PCMAG_def-3> or
> of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29#cite_note-IUKB_def-4>
>  Quinn
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Calvinjean2 <calvinjean2 at comcast.net>wrote:
>>  What was so offensive that he needs to be silenced?
>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Quinn Sullivan <qsullivan11 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>   Can we block this guy from trolling our email list, please?
>>  On Apr 22, 2014 1:23 PM, "Steve's Account" <stevel at fern.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >    Enjoy complimentary tastings at any of the participating wineries
>>> >    Indulge in a complimentary appetizer from The Joel Palmer House
>>> Restaurant. Special
>>> >    glass pours from each participating winery will also be exclusively
>>> available on the
>>> >    wine list. Please make dinner reservations at JoelPalmerHouse.com.
>>> I do hope that the Oregon State Police have noticed and have stationed
>>> their mobile
>>> "impaired driver" trailer along the route.. With all the time folks have
>>> to
>>> "sample and wait for a charge" I'm sure it will be furtile pickings.
>>> Why would OEVA encourage drinking and driving? How about a bus to
>>> encourage fuel
>>> efficient travel and sober driving?
>>> Steve
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