[Oeva-list] Yet another reason why a Mileage use fee is a bad idea

Theoldcars at aol.com Theoldcars at aol.com
Tue May 26 10:41:53 PDT 2015

If this were put to a vote I would also agree with Karl.
I too agree with the points made by Lawrence below.
Everyone benefits from the roads even
if you don't drive. 
I think as EV drivers we tend to bend over backwards to gain
acceptance for EVs. We don't want to be seen as taking,
a free ride at others expense.
I am all for pay a fair share but what is fair depends on who
your talking to. You have to keep in mind this list is a very small
part of the general population. Its easy for and its easy to take advantage 
people who go along willingly because its seems the fair thing
to do. 
As of the end of 2014 we had a total of 3.3 million vehicles registered  in
Oregon. Of that number 3,500 were BEVs. 
I like to consider in a real world perspective how this  would be. 
If you visited ten grocery stores, and each store had one hundred  vehicles
in their parking lot. You would find about one battery electric vehicle. 
The DOT has always been looking for a way to increase their  funding.
While in reality a tax on 3500 EVs would produce very little proceeds. 
As pointed out by others, it would most likely cost far more to  collect
then make sense to enforce. 
Don Blazer

In a message dated 5/25/2015 7:13:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
oeva-list-request at oeva.org writes:

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1. Re: Yet another reason why a Mileage use fee is  a    bad    idea, .
(Myles  Twete)


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Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 18:23:28 -0700
From: Myles Twete  <matwete at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Yet another reason why  a Mileage use fee is a
bad    idea, .
To: Karl  Boekelheide <Karl at boekelheide.com>, Lawrence Winiarski
<lawrence_winiarski at yahoo.com>
Cc: Oeva list  <oeva-list at oeva.org>
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Simple and feat  argument. ?Karl has my proxy vote.

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From: Karl  Boekelheide <Karl at boekelheide.com> 
Date: 05/25/2015  5:21  PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: Lawrence Winiarski  <lawrence_winiarski at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Oeva list  <oeva-list at oeva.org> 
Subject: Re: [Oeva-list] Yet another reason why  a Mileage use fee is a bad 
   idea, . 

You bring  up some really good points on costs of administration. ?As an EV 
driver I?d be  more than happy to have the tax on gas double or triple to 
pay for the roads.  ?But that?s not too fair. ?
I?d like to see the roads paid for out of  general tax revenue. ?Everyone 
benefits from roads existing and being  maintained. ?Trying to turn paying 
for the roads into even more of a use tax  is the wrong direction in my 
opinion. ?So what if a few Washingtonians or  Californians drive on our roads for 
free? ?They?ll likely spends money at  motels, restaurants etc. ?My point is 
why waste a whole lot of administrative  costs to try to make fair 
something that never will be.
My plan would be  eliminate the gas tax altogether in Oregon and fund roads 
from general  revenue. ?At the same time I?d add a huge tax on gas to pay 
for the real  damage gas causes to the air, water and wildlife. ?That I find 
fair.  ?
On May 25, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Lawrence Winiarski  
<lawrence_winiarski at yahoo.com> wrote:

The gas tax is a very  simple tax to administer.
How many gas stations are there in Oregon???  Looks like around 1000.??? 
That's not very many.?? In fact it probably only  takesa few employees working 
full time to gather the tax.???? If they got rid  of the tax exemption 
stuff for farmers and let them apply for a rebate, they  could probably even do 
it at the distribution level which is dealing with even  FEWER enities.????? 

But look at the stupid mileage tax.?? There are  1,000,000 drivers.??? 
Thats 1000 TIMES more people that the revenue department  has todeal with.??? 
How many department of revenue employees are they going to  have to hire to 
deal with this??? 

I'm serious.??? It's non trivial.???  And instead of each employee dealing 
with a $100,000 monthly tax check, he's  going to be dealing with amonthly 
check for $15....and a lot more trouble for  the banks too.?? And people are 
going to want to do it via a debit card, which  allows thebanks to siphon 
off another 2-3% off the top.??? Allof these are bad  ideas.....and for 
what????? So they can get high MPG vehicles to paytheir  "fair share"??????? Tell 
them to go to heck.?? I'd rather it was unfair.???  

I have an F250 by the way......Just letting y'all know.??? I'm not  just 
refusing to pay a tax.??? I'm trying to stop a stupid idea.

The  gas tax works.?? It's not broken.?? Leave it alone.??? We shouldn't be 
falling  for some stupid propaganda campaign for a bad idea thatshould 
never have  gotten this far.

If you want to add another thing to you list, make  sure for "Fairness" 
that plug-in-hybrids have to be treated equally....for  
bothin-state-out-of-state-electric-and gas use......and no GPS..? Let the  bureaucrats? figure out 
some cockamamie scheme to make that "fair"
And by  the way.? I don't like paying highway tax for my lawnmower 
either.....Have  these idiots work on that problem.?? 
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